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To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tires
From: Theo Smit <tsmit@shaw.ca>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:49:27 -0700 (MST)
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You know, if your driving style, suspension condition and/or tire choices a=
re such that you are worried about the condition of the lower fulcrum pins,=
 then you should probably replace them and maybe consider one of the variou=
s means of reinforcing the lower control arm mounts. There are few other pi=
eces on your 55 year old car that are more critical to it continuing to go =
down the road in the direction you want.=20

Theo=20


From: "Jay Laifman" <jay.laifman@gmail.com>=20
To: "Rob Hogan" <robertdhogan@gmail.com>=20
Cc: "Lance Beauchamp" <blance598@gmail.com>, "tigers" <tigers@autox.team.ne=
t>=20
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 7:38:01 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tires=20

I would suggest that there was danger to the pivot bars - and probably furt=
her weakening. It's just that they didn=E2=80=99t break while the tires wer=
e on the car. :-)=20

On Feb 6, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Rob Hogan < [ mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com | r=
obertdhogan@gmail.com ] > wrote:=20

I used BFG 235R50-13' TA Radials on my Tiger before they aged out without a=
ny danger to the lower a-arm pivot bars.=20

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 6:44 PM Rob Hogan < [ mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com =
| robertdhogan@gmail.com ] > wrote:=20



The response suggests that the tires can be used on a normal quality paved =
road without danger of unprovoked blowout or near zero resistance to punctu=
re. Correct?=20

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 4:32 PM Jay < [ mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com | jay.l=
aifman@gmail.com ] > wrote:=20

BQ_BEGIN

Well, first let me point out that even the WORST tire today is better than =
the BEST tire when these cars were new.=20

So, yes in a way they are dangerous for the road for two reason:=20
(1) They are not as good for wet or dusty roads;=20
(2) The put strain on suspension components that the components were not de=
signed for. So that will accelerate damage. And the Tigers, with their Acke=
rmann issue are prone to breaking the bar that holds the A arms on. That=E2=
=80=99s not a good thing to happen on the road - can definitely result in =
=E2=80=9Cserious bodily injury or death.=E2=80=9D=20



On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Rob Hogan < [ mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com | r=
obertdhogan@gmail.com ] > wrote:=20

One thing I've been curious about is the disclaimer that the Toyo Proxes R8=
88r are for "racetrack and autocross only".=20
Does usage of these tires on normal quality roads present a safety issue?=
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stock body tiger 13'' pana sports toyo proxes r888r 195 front 205 rear noth=
ing hits and work great=20


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Subject: [Tigers] Tires=20

What the recommendation on new tires guys, and where do you suggest purchas=
ing them. What are we running front and back, totally stock Tiger.=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>You know, if your driving style, suspension=
 condition and/or tire choices are such that you are worried about the cond=
ition of the lower fulcrum pins, then you should probably replace them and =
maybe consider one of the various means of reinforcing the lower control ar=
m mounts. There are few other pieces on your 55 year old car that are more =
critical to it continuing to go down the road in the direction you want.</d=
iv><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>Theo</div><div><br></div><hr id=
=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>=
From: </b>"Jay Laifman" &lt;jay.laifman@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Rob Ho=
gan" &lt;robertdhogan@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"Lance Beauchamp" &lt;bla=
nce598@gmail.com&gt;, "tigers" &lt;tigers@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Sent: </=
b>Saturday, February 6, 2021 7:38:01 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Tir=
es<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__">I would sug=
gest that there was danger to the pivot bars - and probably further weakeni=
ng. &nbsp;It's just that they didn=E2=80=99t break while the tires were on =
the car. &nbsp;:-)<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb=
 6, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Rob Hogan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">robertdhogan@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div clas=
s=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">I used BFG 235R50-13' TA =
Radials on my Tiger before they aged out without any danger to the lower a-=
arm pivot bars.</div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 6:44 PM Rob Hogan &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow noopener noreferrer">robertdhogan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'verdana'=
 , sans-serif;font-size:small">The response suggests that the tires can be =
used on a normal quality paved road without danger of unprovoked blowout or=
 near zero resistance to puncture.&nbsp; Correct?&nbsp;</div></div><br clas=
s=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 4:32 PM Jay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">jay.laifman@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 =
);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">Well, first let me point out that even =
the WORST tire today is better than the BEST tire when these cars were new.=
<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So, yes in a way they =
are dangerous for the road for two reason:</div><div class=3D"">(1) They ar=
e not as good for wet or dusty roads;</div><div class=3D"">(2) The put stra=
in on suspension components that the components were not designed for.&nbsp=
; So that will accelerate damage.&nbsp; And the Tigers, with their Ackerman=
n issue are prone to breaking the bar that holds the A arms on.&nbsp; That=
=E2=80=99s not a good thing to happen on the road - can definitely result i=
n =E2=80=9Cserious bodily injury or death.=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><b=
r class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=
=3D""><div class=3D"">On Feb 6, 2021, at 1:13 PM, Rob Hogan &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:robertdhogan@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener n=
oreferrer">robertdhogan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div c=
lass=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small">One thing I've been cu=
rious about is the disclaimer that the&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-family:'ari=
al';font-size:13.3333px" class=3D"">Toyo Proxes R888r are for "racetrack an=
d autocross only".</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:'verdana' , sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"font-family:'a=
rial';font-size:13.3333px" class=3D"">Does usage of these tires on normal q=
uality roads present a safety issue?</span></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-=
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<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font=
-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'arial'" class=3D"">stock body ti=
ger 13'' pana sports toyo proxes r888r 195 front 205 rear nothing hits and =
work great<br class=3D"">
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From: Lance Beauchamp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blance598@gmail.com"; target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">blance598@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
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To: Tiger Club. Submission &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">tigers@autox.team.net</=
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Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2021 10:48 pm<br class=3D"">
Subject: [Tigers] Tires<br class=3D"">
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<div class=3D"">What the recommendation on new tires guys, and where do you=
 suggest purchasing them.&nbsp; What are we running front and back, totally=
 stock Tiger.&nbsp;
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<div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Beau</div>
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