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Re: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...

To: Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com>, Tiger's List <tigers@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wheels, Lugs and Paint...
From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 18:01:35 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi Mayf,
Go to the forum you want to post in.

Look at the upper right, button called "Post thread".. in brown/orange.
Gary


>     On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com> wrote:
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>     You know I have been a member of CAT continuously since 1974 and off =
and on between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects under the bridges.. =
I believe some of ya=E2=80=99ll are CAT members as well and I need some ass=
istance with the forum on the CAT web site.  I logged on using my official =
user name and pass word, updated just last year but I will be danged if I c=
an where and how to post anything to any of the forum areas. Any help out t=
here?
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>     This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV, lol. And everything=
 is subject to an 80 year old=E2=80=99s fogy memory.  I still have my origi=
nal steel wheels from when I purchased the car, admittedly used in Jan 1967=
 with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what was on the car at that time.=
 Oh< my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers being 1136.  So, I am guessi=
ng that they are OEM and specific to this car.  They are of course the 13 i=
nch, 4 lug wheels that use 7/16th inch  studs and tapered shoulder nuts to =
keep them on the car.  I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug c=
entric, but hub centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that b=
ecause the aftermarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others,  use the hubs to cent=
er the wheels since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper.  Hub =
centric is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is a m=
achined part made to assure that the wheel is centered.  The tapered lugs h=
ave a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel m=
ounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut =
giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to meta=
l to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench  bei=
ng used by the installer.  Another think that comes to mind for me anyway, =
is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regular coarse t=
hread s and they are =E2=80=9Cfine threads=E2=80=9D. With a taper, a single=
 turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a distance of  =
the sine of the taper angle times the thread pitch distance. And for sure n=
o paint on the faying surfaces.  The twist of the nut against the paint wil=
l most likely on the first torque down destroy that thin paint layer and it=
 should be retorques a bit after it has run down the road.   Tomorrow I wil=
l be removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps, and wheels from my storage ar=
ea and moving them to another storage location in my shop so I will have am=
ple time to examine them since I have not looked at them since I put the LA=
T 70 ones on my car in 1968.  Right now, I am thinking, and I may be wrong,=
 but, the back side of my wheel are same color as the front side and not bl=
ack or any other color.   When I am done with moving parts around, I will p=
ost any new info I glean  to help muddy the water some more.
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>     In any case, someone with an idea on how to post to the cat forums, l=
emme know=E2=80=A6
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>     Drmayf
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>     Aka Larry
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>     TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt
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>     And 210.779 mph out the back door.
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>     The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger,  has been sold to another LSR r=
acer of sorts.
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   Hi Mayf,
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   Go to the forum you want to post in.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   <br>
  </div>
  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Look at the upper right, button called "Post thread".. in brown/orange.
   <br>
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  <div class=3D"default-style">
   Gary
   <br>
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    On 05/26/2022 4:53 PM Larry Mayfield &lt;drmayf@mayfco.com&gt; wrote:
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    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">You know I have been a member of CAT continuousl=
y since 1974 and off and on between 1967 and 1974. Lotta years and subjects=
 under the bridges.. I believe some of ya=E2=80=99ll are CAT members as wel=
l and I need some assistance with the forum on the CAT web site. &nbsp;I lo=
gged on using my official user name and pass word, updated just last year b=
ut I will be danged if I can where and how to post anything to any of the f=
orum areas. Any help out there?</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is just me thinking out loud now. Your, MMV=
, lol. And everything is subject to an 80 year old=E2=80=99s fogy memory. &=
nbsp;I still have my original steel wheels from when I purchased the car, a=
dmittedly used in Jan 1967 with 11K miles on it, and the wheels are what wa=
s on the car at that time. Oh&lt; my Tiger is a MK I with last four numbers=
 being 1136. &nbsp;So, I am guessing that they are OEM and specific to this=
 car.&nbsp; They are of course the 13 inch, 4 lug wheels that use 7/16<sup>=
th</sup> inch &nbsp;studs and tapered shoulder nuts to keep them on the car=
. &nbsp;I had and had a notion that the wheels are NOT lug centric, but hub=
 centric, to keeping them centered on the hubs. I say that because the afte=
rmarket wheels i.e. LAT 70 and others, &nbsp;use the hubs to center the whe=
els since the lugs are straight shanked nuts without taper. &nbsp;Hub centr=
ic is a n brainer. The wheel is made to fit the hub and the hub is a machin=
ed part made to assure that the wheel is centered. &nbsp;The tapered lugs h=
ave a couple of purposes I suppose, one is that the lug centers the wheel m=
ounting hole on the studs and that the tapes is linger than a flat cut nut =
giving more gripping area and requiring more force to remove it due to meta=
l to metal friction as the clamping force applied ty the torque wrench&nbsp=
; being used by the installer. &nbsp;Another think that comes to mind for m=
e anyway, is that the studs and nuts are a bit finer thread that the regula=
r coarse thread s and they are =E2=80=9Cfine threads=E2=80=9D. With a taper=
, a single turn of the nut to loosen, will move the nut off the wheel a dis=
tance of &nbsp;the sine of the taper angle times the thread pitch distance.=
 And for sure no paint on the faying surfaces.&nbsp; The twist of the nut a=
gainst the paint will most likely on the first torque down destroy that thi=
n paint layer and it should be retorques a bit after it has run down the ro=
ad. &nbsp;&nbsp;Tomorrow I will be removing the OEM beauty rings, hub caps,=
 and wheels from my storage area and moving them to another storage locatio=
n in my shop so I will have ample time to examine them since I have not loo=
ked at them since I put the LAT 70 ones on my car in 1968. &nbsp;Right now,=
 I am thinking, and I may be wrong, but, the back side of my wheel are same=
 color as the front side and not black or any other color. &nbsp;&nbsp;When=
 I am done with moving parts around, I will post any new info I glean &nbsp=
;to help muddy the water some more.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">In any case, someone with an idea on how to post=
 to the cat forums, lemme know=E2=80=A6</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Drmayf</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Aka Larry</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">TWFS: 204.913 mph flying mile on the salt</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">And 210.779 mph out the back door.</p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The dedicated race Car, not my Tiger, &nbsp;has =
been sold to another LSR racer of sorts.</p>
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