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RE the=C2=A0 added lower fan shroud......does this piece have to be attache=
d after the shroud is in place or can the=C2=A0 the complete modified shrou=
d=C2=A0 be slipped on with the fan in place?=C2=A0 Mark L
In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0
I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock tiger=
, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes throu=
gh the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the radiat=
or again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own radiat=
or. =C2=A0It works.=C2=A0
On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
=C2=A0
I think michael hit the nail on the head.=C2=A0 first need to know is it ov=
erheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?=C2=A0a pusher fan wi=
ll only help at very low speed or when stopped.=C2=A0 and spal is the go to=
brand.=C2=A0 =C2=A0still need the horn holes and gap between cross member =
and rad blocked.=C2=A0 cardboard and zip ties does the trick quickly and ca=
n be replaced with a more permanent=C2=A0solution later if you want.=C2=A0 =
also need a fan shroud.=C2=A0personally i've never needed the electric push=
er fan because i have a small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley.=C2=A0 =
that creates enough pull through the radiator at idle.=C2=A0if its=C2=A0ove=
rheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem entirely and there =
are a variety=C2=A0of other things to check.=C2=A0in my case its fuel boili=
ng in the carb under certain conditions=C2=A0(slowing down after running fa=
st in really high ambient temps above a particular altitude) rather than co=
olant temp which is the problem.=C2=A0 there are a bunch of things i could =
do there, most importantly a carb heat shield, but i've=C2=A0only suffered =
from it once.=C2=A0one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling i=
ssues in the tiger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad =
top hose.=C2=A0 at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which h=
elps with thermostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it shou=
ld look, even how blocked the radiator is.=C2=A0
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <tigers@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve been reading=C2=A0about cooling issues with tigers for more th=
at a decade (much less than some reading this) blocking horn holes, pusher =
fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire studies have been done on=C2=A0this issue=
. Just check STOA, CAT or any club site. All good reads! I think the first =
place to start is=C2=A0knowing what the actual=C2=A0engine team really is. =
We all know that the original temp guage can be off. The other thing is: as=
a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degrees is the optimal engine temp. But, =
Ford engines can get to 195-200 degrees easily and that is not=C2=A0necessa=
rily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher in mine only because I had one. I=E2=
=80=99m not really sure is does=C2=A0anything. My=C2=A0original guage can s=
how 225-230 on =C2=A0a hot day (humidity plays a bitg role) but never has p=
ucked out fluid. The design of the should is an=C2=A0issue. It lets hot air=
from the engine compartment to get under the radiator. Many, many, =E2=80=
=98fixes=E2=80=99 that can be=C2=A0done. However, on a hot low humidity day=
.. well good luck. JMO
On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
The article includes several suggestions.=C2=A0One of them is to seal the m=
issing section of the stock fan shroud at the bottom.=C2=A0A list member of=
fered a piece he fabricated.=C2=A0I obtained one and here are a couple of p=
ictures. I hope to fit it later this year.=C2=A0Even a few degrees of cooli=
ng will be worth the effort.=C2=A0Allan BallardMk1a Tiger=C2=A0<image0.jpeg=
><image1.jpeg>
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? =C2=A0http://tigersunited.com/=
techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp=C2=A0It works grea=
t in Southern California heat.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <jbbrown1980@gmail.com> w=
rote:
My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Texas.=C2=A0 I've re=
ad through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I will make some of =
the suggested modifications.=C2=A0 They listed two different pusher electri=
c fans in the article but both of them are no longer available.=C2=A0So, ha=
s anybody recently installed a pusher fan?=C2=A0 If so, what part numbers?=
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<div>
<div class=3D"userEdit" style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><span style=3D"color: #000000; font-styl=
e: normal; font-weight: bold;">RE the added lower fan shroud......doe=
s this piece have to be attached after the shroud is in place or can the&nb=
sp; the complete modified shroud be slipped on with the fan in place?=
Mark L<br></span></div>
<br>In a message dated 7/19/2023 9:21:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net writes:
<div> </div>
<div class=3D"quotedReply">
<blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue=
2px solid;">
<div id=3D"yiv2963498244">
<div>I made a custom lower fan shroud, as one does not exist for the stock =
tiger, fan shroud. I did smoke test with the car at idle and the air comes =
through the radiator down towards the ground and circles back through the r=
adiator again. So essentially you're just recycling hot air from your own r=
adiator. It works. <br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 19, 2023, at 2:03 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>=
wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"yiv2963498244Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none">
<div> </div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-s=
tyle: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; t=
ext-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoratio=
n: none;">I think michael hit the nail on the head. first need to kno=
w is it overheating when stationary / moving slowly or at speed?
<div> </div>
<div>a pusher fan will only help at very low speed or when stopped. a=
nd spal is the go to brand. still need the horn holes and gap b=
etween cross member and rad blocked. cardboard and zip ties does the =
trick quickly and can be replaced with a more permanent solution later=
if you want. also need a fan shroud.
<div> </div>
<div>personally i've never needed the electric pusher fan because i have a =
small 13" flex fan on the water pump pulley. that creates enough pull=
through the radiator at idle.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>if its overheating at more than 30/40mph then its another problem=
entirely and there are a variety of other things to check.</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>in my case its fuel boiling in the carb under certain conditions =
(slowing down after running fast in really high ambient temps above a parti=
cular altitude) rather than coolant temp which is the problem. there =
are a bunch of things i could do there, most importantly a carb heat shield=
, but i've only suffered from it once.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>one thing i've found very useful for debugging cooling issues in the t=
iger over the years is having a glass gano filter in the rad top hose. =
; at least you can see how the coolant is circulating which helps with ther=
mostat or water pump issues and if you're used to how it should look, even =
how blocked the radiator is.</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<br style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal;=
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform=
: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;" cle=
ar=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv2963498244gmail_quote" style=3D"font-family: Times-Roman; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: norm=
al; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spaci=
ng: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<div class=3D"yiv2963498244gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at =
7:41=E2=80=AFAM Jim B via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">ti=
gers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv2963498244gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color=
: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><span style=3D"font-size: large;">I’ve been reading about c=
ooling issues with tigers for more that a decade (much less than some readi=
ng this) blocking horn holes, pusher fans, and shrouds etc etc. Entire stud=
ies have been done on this issue. Just check STOA, CAT or any club sit=
e. All good reads! I think the first place to start is knowing what th=
e actual engine team really is. We all know that the original temp gua=
ge can be off. The other thing is: as a dyed in the wool ford guy, 185 degr=
ees is the optimal engine temp. But, Ford engines can get to 195-200 degree=
s easily and that is not necessarily a bad thing. Yes, I put a pusher =
in mine only because I had one. I’m not really sure is does anyt=
hing. My original guage can show 225-230 on a hot day (humidity =
plays a bitg role) but never has pucked out fluid. The design of the should=
is an issue. It lets hot air from the engine compartment to get under=
the radiator. Many, many, ‘fixes’ that can be done. Howev=
er, on a hot low humidity day.. well good luck. JMO</span>
<div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>
<div>On Jul 18, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Allan Ballard <<a href=3D"mailto:aball=
ard@ix.netcom.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" s=
hape=3D"rect">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-tran=
sform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;=
float: none; display: inline;">The article includes several suggestions.</=
span>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">One =
of them is to seal the missing section of the stock fan shroud at the botto=
m.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">A li=
st member offered a piece he fabricated.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I ob=
tained one and here are a couple of pictures. I hope to fit it later this y=
ear.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Even=
a few degrees of cooling will be worth the effort.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Alla=
n Ballard</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Mk1a=
Tiger</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">&nbs=
p;</div>
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font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:=
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><spa=
n id=3D"yiv2963498244cid:1896cb123c14211b0811"><image0.jpeg></span><s=
pan id=3D"yiv2963498244cid:1896cb123c143c689202"><image1.jpeg></span>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote>On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:57 PM, Jay Laifman <<a href=3D"mailto=
:jay.laifman@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferr=
er" shape=3D"rect">jay.laifman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none"></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Have you looked at this cooling suggestions? <a href=
=3D"http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVal=
ance1.asp" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"=
rect">http://tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanV=
alance1.asp</a>
<div> </div>
<div>It works great in Southern California heat.</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv2963498244gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at =
3:42=E2=80=AFPM Joe Brown <<a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">jbbrown19=
80@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color=
: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tiger can't keep up with this 100 degree weather in Tex=
as. I've read through the article by Tiger Tom and Chuck King and I w=
ill make some of the suggested modifications. They listed two differe=
nt pusher electric fans in the article but both of them are no longer avail=
able.
<div> </div>
<div>So, has anybody recently installed a pusher fan? If so, what par=
t numbers?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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