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Re: TR3 Engine work

To: johnhaynes@som-uky.campus.mci.net
Subject: Re: TR3 Engine work
From: jibrooks@juno.com (Jack I Brooks)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 23:05:15 EST
Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net
References: <199612281710.MAA03201@aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net>42-44,50-51,56-57,63-66,68-69,71-75,77-82,85-86,89-97
Sam,

Thanks for your response.

I do have a few clarification questions for you.

>There is a oil pressure relief valve on the filter head assy. The spring
in this assembly may > need replacing. It also has an adjusting screw for
adjusting pressure. 

 I believe the spring to be OK as the oil pressure, cold, never goes too
high, approx 72 psi.
Could the spring/assy be bad?  I removed and cleaned it, hoping there was
something jamming it open.  The spring is powerful.  Am I missing
something? 

>Usually low oil pressure means worn rod-main bearings.  You are at the
clearance limit on the bearings you checked. 

I know.  I am a little nervous about just  how hard it is to do the
bearings with the crank in the car.  I have gotten a lot of mixed mail
about it. Everyone says it can be done, but it would be much easier if I
pull the engine, something I can't do this year.  The car is up on
jackstands, so I have decent access.  If the shells can be pushed through
with all three mains loose it shouldn't be too much of a problem.  I
hadn't considered that the pressure on the upper shells would be gone
once all three mains were removed.

>If it were my engine, I would replace the main and rod bearings  with
>standard units with the crank in the engine and the engine in the car. 
>I did this to my car 15 yrs, l5,000 miles ago.  This is an easy fix ,
but I  would
>not expect  more than 30,000 from it.  Remove the main bearings and 
>the crank will be supported by the tranny and the timing chain. The
upper bearing
>shells can be rolled out by using the lower shell to start it.  The
front
>bearing cap has a aluminium block between it and the oil pan that must 
>be removed. There are two screws that hold the cap to the front plate 
>that are easy to overlook. The downside to this fix is that it is
difficult to 
>prevent leaks, but if anyone is fussy about oil drips, then you will not
be 
>happy with a 50's car anyway. 

I am looking forward ten years or so until I can do a complete
restoration.  The car is in very good shape now.  That is when the kids
will be just old enough for a family project restoration.  30,000 miles
is a lot more than I anticipate in ten years so that would be great. I
live in NJ and the only way insurance was affordable was with a 2,500
mile/year limitation..

 The front main has the gasket that cannot be replaced unless the crank
is removed, correct?  From what I have been told by others on the list, a
good slug of silicone, kept away from any oilways, should work to
prevent/limit drips.  Also, have you found a better solution to the
felt/shellac seals?

BTW, I am a little fussy about oil drips.  I actually got my Norton
practically drip free after three years.  When I bought it  leaked almost
as much oil as I burned gas.  Silicone on one surface and mold release on
the other allows for reasonable disassembly later on, while still
providing a great seal.  Obviously, it only adheres on one surface, but
in these low/no pressure applications it works.

>   Re; thrust washers, My book shows ,004 -.006 play.  Order std and
>oversize to come up with the right combo. ,005 is available, maybe 
>others, try TRF. You my need to use the oversize on one side std on the
other. 

You are right. spec is 4-6 thou.  I didn't think about mixing oversized
and standard thrust bearings; that is a great idea!

> Check the end float by moving the crank untilled it seats agin the 
>thrust and check the gap on the opposite thrust with a feeler guage. 

That is just what I did.  The Haynes manual said push the crank forward
to measure the end float.

>Put Vandervell bearings in it. 

Vandervells, that is also what I have heard.

I appreciate you assistance.  You are an original owner; I am a long time
wanna bee, who finally did it!  Although we were looking for TR6's, when
we fell head over heels for the 3's.

I believe from your comments the bearings will not be a major challenge. 
I would however, appreciate a little clarification on the above items,
partially as a confidence builder.

Thanks again.

Jack Brooks
Hillsdale, New Jersey
1960 TR3-A TS69032L
1974 Norton Commando Roadster
 

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