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Subject: [Fot] Clutch disk for HVDA 5 speed
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 10:15:13 -0600
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Hi Dusty,

I do think you?re asking for, if not trouble, then at least some challenges 
with unequal length axles. Your swing spring will ?swing? differently with one 
vertical link essentially being shorter because it ?leans in? at the top. I 
can?t predict the effect but unless you?re just doing circle track (only left 
turns) then the transition of the suspension going from left to right turns 
might get real interesting with not so smooth shifting of weight transfer or a 
twitch of some kind, or maybe even a sudden jerk.

The most obvious effect will be the camber of the real wheels will be different 
which will put different amounts of tire patch on the pavement resulting in 
different wear and probably handling. I made my vertical lengths adjustable 
with a kit from http://www.wolfitt.com/wolfitt_products_1.htm They indicate 
that very little change (1/4-1/2 inch) in the length of the vertical lengths 
will change the camber by about 1 degree. I didn?t do the geometry but a 
vertical link that ?leans in? will be shorter and may give you a bigger change 
in the camber than you want to run on one wheel. Running different cambers on 
the rear wheels does not seem like a good idea. 

De-arching the spring or blocks between the diff and the spring will change 
camber but it would affect both sides equally. This link explains/shows the 
effects of those changes and a good visual on the swing spring operation. 
http://auskellian.com/paul/links_files/performance_enhancements.htm#rear

I would be hesitant to run different length axles as it introduces more 
variables to an already tricky system. You will go to a lot of work with the 
backplates, pressing bearings on and off, and other fun activities, I?d hate to 
see you do all that and be unhappy with the results.

I was lucky to find some brand new early Summers Brothers axles and switched 
them out only to find that the axles that came with the car were some of 
Kastner?s ?indestructible? axles with the bigger u-joints.  If I?d only known 
I?d have kept them and just changed the u-joints. Oh well they can go on the 
next car.

Good luck,
Bud







> On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:56 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the replies.
> 
> On an unrelated note, I?ve recently acquired a used Summers Brothers spit 
> axle that is 1? longer than the corvair axle I was hoping to pair it up with 
> (since I broke the other corvair axle). Am I asking for trouble to run this 
> set up of unequal length axles? Seems the upright on the longer axle will 
> just ?lean in? to reach the leaf spring eye and it might just work. Or should 
> I have the longer axle cut down and new u-joint yoke spline grooves cut?
> 
> I think you call this racing on a budget.
> 
> Dusty Nicholson
> 1971 FP Spitfire #4
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> After further review, to use a football phrase,  the clutch disc is 8 1/2  x 
>> 1 1/8 shaft and 21 splines. That was on the box and I just measured and 
>> counted. PN on the box is 270917.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Cheers, Bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/11/2018 7:52 PM, Bill Tobin via Fot wrote:
>>> McLeod pn270917, Disc, organic 8.5" 1-1/8, ought to do it. Came with my 
>>> Eaglegate conversion.
>>> 
>>> Tell them that if they're making one for you, make one for me too. Engine's 
>>> out and may as well put in a new clutch too.
>>> 
>>> www.mcleodracing.com
>>> 
>>> NFI
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/11/2018 12:36 PM, dustin nicholson via Fot wrote:
>>>> Is anybody racing with the Toyota five speed? What clutch disk are you 
>>>> using?
>>>> 
>>>> Asking for friend who has a hot street TR6 with the 5 speed and has worn 
>>>> out the disk provided by Herman. He wants to replace with an upgraded 
>>>> disk. Moss is carrying on the HVDA conversion but he?s been told they will 
>>>> only be offering one clutch disk option which appears to be street grade. 
>>>> I believe Herman offered an upgrade, anyone know what it was or where to 
>>>> get it?
>>>> 
>>>> Dusty Nicholson
>>>> 1971 FP Spitfire #4
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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