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To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>, TR3 Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wire terminations
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 18:20:44 -0500
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??  you never crimp to a tinned (soldered) wire end. The crimp can 
deform and will not hold.
for 'LBC's'  flux wire end, crimp, then solder then heat shrink as 
appropriate to give the joint some mechanical assist (and further 
electrical isolation.

all this can be quite subjective. The ysay never rely on solder as the 
electrical connection. It's only meant to retain the mechanical 
connection of the electrical contact. point.

Yet on my UAVs, (and older RC cars) its quite common to only solder blob 
the end of 14/16awg wires to the ckt board pads which pass 40+ amps 
without melt-down of massive losses. The battery leads are 'wire in 
connector pin cup' soldered and can see 200 amp sustained currents!

...can be a bit scary (relying on such a contact) when you've got $3K to 
$20K worth of craft and cameras relying on that power connection.

So my own opinion (and experiences)  dielectric grease the end of the 
wire, insert in terminal and crimp. Don't smash it,  .....and use two 
strokes across the crimp (two dimples)

ptegler


On 1/8/2019 3:05 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:

> Just for the sake of discussion, crimping has some sub-options.  One, 
> coat the terminal wire with dialetric first to make it corrosion 
> resistant. Option two, tin the wire before crimping onto it, also to 
> make it corrosion resistant.  Like others, I prefer to solder the 
> connector to the wire when I can.
>
>> On January 8, 2019 at 10:24 AM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> I purchased a crimper from british wiring.  Iâ??ve used it at least a 
>> zillion times in the last decade.  Tool is still in great shape and 
>> 99% of my crimps are too.
>>
>> Canâ??t do bullet connectors â?? have to purchase a separate tool for 
>> that.  But Iâ??ve done rings, spades, and all sorts of other crimps
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com 
>>
>> Hey all ~
>>
>> Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays and were able to
>>
>> spend some quality time with loved ones....
>>
>> I've got a new wire harness for my TR3 in hand and was
>>
>> wondering your thoughts for those wires /not /using bullet
>>
>> connectors, (I'll likely use the bullet crimping tool from
>>
>> British Wire for that). So, for wires requiring spades, rings,
>>
>> etc. do you suggest soldering these terminals or is crimping
>>
>> a better choice? If crimping, what tool have others found to
>>
>> be reliable?
>>
>>
>> Thanks !!
>>
>> Dave Friedlander
>>
>> '74 TR6
>>
>> '59 TR3A
>>
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    <p>??  you never crimp to a tinned (soldered) wire end. The crimp
      can deform and will not hold.<br>
      for 'LBC's'  flux wire end, crimp, then solder then heat shrink as
      appropriate to give the joint some mechanical assist (and further
      electrical isolation.</p>
    <p>all this can be quite subjective. The ysay never rely on solder
      as the electrical connection. It's only meant to retain the
      mechanical connection of the electrical contact. point.</p>
    <p>Yet on my UAVs, (and older RC cars) its quite common to only
      solder blob the end of 14/16awg wires to the ckt board pads which
      pass 40+ amps without melt-down of massive losses. The battery
      leads are 'wire in connector pin cup' soldered and can see 200 amp
      sustained currents!</p>
    <p>...can be a bit scary (relying on such a contact) when you've got
      $3K to $20K worth of craft and cameras relying on that power
      connection.</p>
    <p>So my own opinion (and experiences)  dielectric grease the end of
      the wire, insert in terminal and crimp. Don't smash it,  .....and
      use two strokes across the crimp (two dimples)<br>
    </p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>On 1/8/2019 3:05 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br>
    </p>
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      <p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
        sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Just for the sake of
        discussion, crimping has some sub-options.  One, coat the
        terminal wire with dialetric first to make it corrosion
        resistant. Option two, tin the wire before crimping onto it,
        also to make it corrosion resistant.  Like others, I prefer to
        solder the connector to the wire when I can.  <br>
      </p>
      <blockquote type="cite">On January 8, 2019 at 10:24 AM dave
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>&lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt;</a> wrote: <br>
        <br>
        <div class="ox-48987b9086-WordSection1">
          <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
            12.0pt;">I purchased a crimper from british wiring.  Iâ??ve
            used it at least a zillion times in the last decade.  Tool
            is still in great shape and 99% of my crimps are too.</p>
          <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
            12.0pt;">Canâ??t do bullet connectors â?? have to purchase a
            separate tool for that.  But Iâ??ve done rings, spades, and
            all sorts of other crimps</p>
          <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:
            12.0pt;"><br>
            On Jan 7, 2019, at 1:23 PM, David Friedlander &lt;<a
              href="mailto:forzion7@gmail.com"; 
moz-do-not-send="true">forzion7@gmail.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:</p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">Hey all ~ </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">   </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">Hope everyone enjoyed their
                    holidays and were able to  </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">spend some quality time with
                    loved ones.... </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">   </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">I've got a new wire harness
                    for my TR3 in hand and was  </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">wondering your thoughts for
                    those wires <em>not </em>using bullet  </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">connectors, (I'll likely use
                    the bullet crimping tool from  </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">British Wire for that). So,
                    for wires requiring spades, rings,  </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">etc. do you suggest soldering
                    these terminals or is crimping  </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">a better choice? If crimping,
                    what tool have others found to  </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">be reliable? </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;"><br>
                    Thanks !! </span></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">   </span></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">Dave Friedlander </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">'74 TR6 </span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="ox-48987b9086-MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size: 18.0pt; font-family: 'Comic Sans
                    MS'; color: #000099;">'59 TR3A </span></p>
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