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Nope, not in a green Lucas box; flange and nut were original size.
Longer studs might not be a good solution either; the ends of the studs are=
pretty close to the pulley edge. Even with the original studs, there isn=
=E2=80=99t room to get the nuts between the stud ends and the pulley, until=
you pull the pump out a bit from it=E2=80=99s installed position.
From: Brian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Randall; list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars@gmail.com)
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
Hi Randall,
My pump also was from TRF =E2=80=93 was yours also in a green Lucas box?=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0I appreciate buying a new pulley will likely solve the one proble=
m but not the additional thickness of the mounting flange which could be so=
lved with longer studs.=C2=A0 I take it you did not have this problem?
Cheers,
Brian
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randal=
l
Sent: August 15, 2019 3:43 PM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars@gmail.com)
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.
One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fit on t=
he shaft.=C2=A0 If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you s=
hould either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite =E2=80=9Cretaini=
ng compounds=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with RC609, but the=
y make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.
But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.
-- Randall
From: Brian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars@gmail.com)
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water=
pump which although working and not leaking wasn=E2=80=99t as smooth turni=
ng as it should be. =C2=A0=C2=A0The original pump (with grease fitting) had=
been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version =C2=
=A0which appears to be dated 1978.=C2=A0 I believe the pulley present is or=
iginal or at least original style.
My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has si=
zing issues.=C2=A0=20
The mounting flange is 1/16=E2=80=9D thicker than the QH pump.=C2=A0 The co=
nsequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I=
suspect about a 1/16=E2=80=9D depression.=C2=A0 The second problem is with=
the nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.=C2=A0 This nut is about twice the =
diameter of the originals and so thick it doesn=E2=80=99t come close to eng=
aging the nyloc feature.=C2=A0 The washer supplied is also very thick and r=
eplacement with a thinner version might help but not enough.
Anyone else experienced this?=C2=A0 Solutions?
Comments appreciated.
Cheers,
Brian
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ss=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nope, not in a green Lucas box; flan=
ge and nut were original size.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Longer studs might not be a good solution either; the=
ends of the studs are pretty close to the pulley edge.=C2=A0 Even with the=
original studs, there isn=E2=80=99t room to get the nuts between the stud =
ends and the pulley, until you pull the pump out a bit from it=E2=80=99s in=
stalled position.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;bor=
der:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mail=
to:thomasb@queensu.ca">Brian Thomas</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, August 15=
, 2019 3:31 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com";>Randall=
</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>list Triumph</a><br><b>Cc:=
</b><a href=3D"mailto:britspcars@gmail.com";>Brad Smith (britspcars@gmail.c=
om)</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps</p></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA s=
tyle=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Hi Randall,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comi=
c Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>My p=
ump also was from TRF =E2=80=93 was yours also in a green Lucas box? =
I appreciate buying a new pulley will likely solve the one problem bu=
t not the additional thickness of the mounting flange which could be solved=
with longer studs. I take it you did not have this problem?<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"=
Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>=
Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS=
";color:#0070C0'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt=
;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-=
bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall<br><b>Sent:</b> August =
15, 2019 3:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> list Triumph<br><b>Cc:</b> Brad Smith (brits=
pcars@gmail.com)<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>FWIW, the replacement pump I got from =
TRF fit perfectly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be=
a very snug fit on the shaft. If your old pulley will go on with jus=
t your fingers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loc=
tite =E2=80=9Cretaining compounds=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99ve had good luc=
k with RC609, but they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.<o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
Randall<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style=
=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:thomasb@queensu.ca";>Bria=
n Thomas</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM<br><b>To: </=
b><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>list Triumph</a><br><b>Cc: </b=
><a href=3D"mailto:britspcars@gmail.com";>Brad Smith (britspcars@gmail.com)<=
/a><br><b>Subject: </b>[TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps<o:p></o:p></p></div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Currently doing a frame=
up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which although wo=
rking and not leaking wasn=E2=80=99t as smooth turning as it should be. &nb=
sp; The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced prior to=
my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version which appears to be d=
ated 1978. I believe the pulley present is original or at least origi=
nal style.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:#0070C0'>My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a=
replacement has sizing issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>The mounting flange is 1/16=
=E2=80=9D thicker than the QH pump. The consequence of this is the nu=
ts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/16=E2=80=
=9D depression. The second problem is with the nyloc nut that holds t=
he pulley on. This nut is about twice the diameter of the originals a=
nd so thick it doesn=E2=80=99t come close to engaging the nyloc feature.&nb=
sp; The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a thinner v=
ersion might help but not enough.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'f=
ont-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Anyone else experienced this?&nbs=
p; Solutions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sa=
ns MS";color:#0070C0'>Comments appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:=
#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-C=
A style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic=
Sans MS";color:#0070C0'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0070C0'>Brian=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'f=
ont-size:12.0pt;color:#C0504D'>____________________________________________=
___________________________</span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lan=
g=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'> Brian Thoma=
s &n=
bsp; </=
span><b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:gray'>E-mail:=
</span></i></b><b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C=
0'> </span></b><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;col=
or:#0070C0'><a href=3D"mailto:ThomasB@QueensU.Ca";>ThomasB@QueensU.Ca</a> <o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'> 92 Wyona Lane =
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nbsp; </span><b><i><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'> </span></b><span lan=
g=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#0070C0'>613-385-1947<o:p></o:p><=
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