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David,
I agree with Tony, it appears that the bearing is sticking a bit in the axl=
e housing (which is good). I=92d put the hub back on, attach the foot of a =
puller to the wheel studs and use a slide hammer to knock the assembly towa=
rd you. Something like this: https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-tools/loaner-=
slide-hammer-flange
Best of luck,
Cliff
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s
Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 5:51 PM
:triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 Rear Brake Drum/Axle Success - Kind Of
Well, I'm not sure about the rear axle, but I'm glad I went to your Flickr =
album! You've done a marvelous job, that's a gorgeous car!
I'm more familiar with the later axle, I suspect that the bearing is what's=
holding the axle into the housing. You could try sticking the hub back on=
, put a nut on the end and bash on the hub with a rubber mallet or somethin=
g that won't hurt the hub - maybe a piece of wood and a larger hammer? Thi=
s is JUST A GUESS, I'm looking forward to other replies.
Regards, Tony Drews
On 9/2/2021 6:12 PM, David Gunn wrote:
Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly appreciated. I l=
iberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating oil. Due to the smoke=
and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back out to the shop for a coup=
le of days. But, when I did, it popped right off! I didn't see any signs =
of massive rust, so I am guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc=
road grime. I will clean everything real well before I put it back togeth=
er.
I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction M=
anual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing). I am also using the Haynes =
book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle. One interesting i=
tem to note: when removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 =
shims behind the washer. They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know th=
at they are not original. [Emoji] Not sure why, but I will probably put =
them back. The left side is not the side that was originally leaking.
I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the axle c=
asing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, as the manu=
al says. But nothing budged. I then pounded a thin paint scraper between t=
he hub and axle casing. That was the only place that I could see where it =
could come apart. It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft. The o=
il seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached so=
mehow. The axle shaft does spin, and does push in and pull out about 1/4 =
inch, or less.. I thought the the bearing and seal and hub needed to be pr=
essed onto the axle shaft.
I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals previously. Evid=
ently, I ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil seals, an=
d then reassembled.
In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like part of it has nev=
er seen any oil. It is completely dry. Yes, I have kept the rear end full=
, and have greased the grease fitting. Also, it does appear that the wheel=
bearings have been replaced before (not by me), as they are marked "made i=
n the USA" The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold: 1) =
I like to follow instructions, and that's what the manual said, and 2) I w=
anted to look at the wheel bearing.
So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just slide out, as th=
e manual says? What am I missing?
I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my Flickr site, in an=
album labeled "TR2". They are at the end of the album. I also included p=
ictures of the rear axle drawings and instructions from the manual, plus "S=
ervice Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has been, clean.
The link to that album is: TR2<https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/=
72157602881332130/page1>
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TR2
Explore this photo album by David on Flickr!
I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle shaft "pulled ou=
t" and "pushed in". There's also pictures of the Bud shims.
I have not attempted to take the right side off. Just in case I am doing s=
omething wrong; although, it is at the point where the axle shaft should ju=
st pull out, and it doesn't.
A last (for now) interesting note. I acquired the TR2 from a friend about =
1985. I drove it for about a year, then parked it and raised kids. I star=
ted my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple of years later. As I s=
aid before, it has been parked again since about 2011. Of it's 67 year lif=
e, I have owned it for about 36 years, but certainly not driving it.
Thank you, in advance, for your help,
David
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">David,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree with Tony, it appears that the bearing is st=
icking a bit in the axle housing (which is good). I=92d put the hub back on=
, attach the foot of a puller to the wheel studs and use a slide hammer to =
knock the assembly toward you. Something
like this: <a href=3D"https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-tools/loaner-slide-h=
ammer-flange">
https://www.autozone.com/loan-a-tools/loaner-slide-hammer-flange</a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best of luck,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:tony@tonydrews.com";>Tony Drews</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 2, 2021 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:ccgunn@sbcglobal.net";>David Gunn</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>
triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TR] TR2 Rear Brake Drum/Axle Success - Kind Of</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Well, I'm not sure about the rear axle, but I'm glad I went to your Flic=
kr album! You've done a marvelous job, that's a gorgeous car!</p>
<p>I'm more familiar with the later axle, I suspect that the bearing is wha=
t's holding the axle into the housing. You could try sticking the hub=
back on, put a nut on the end and bash on the hub with a rubber mallet or =
something that won't hurt the hub - maybe
a piece of wood and a larger hammer? This is JUST A GUESS, I'm looki=
ng forward to other replies.</p>
<p>Regards, Tony Drews</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/2/2021 6:12 PM, David Gunn wrote:<o:p></o:p></p=
>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all=
greatly appreciated. I liberally sprayed the offending drum with pen=
etrating oil. Due to the smoke and ash from the wildfires,
I couldn't get back out to the shop for a couple of days. But, when =
I did, it popped right off! I didn't see any signs of massive rust, s=
o I am guessing that it was just old oil, grease and misc road grime. =
I will clean everything real well before I put
it back together.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per=
the Service Instruction Manual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).&nb=
sp; I am also using the Haynes book for Triumphs. I
have the earlier style of TR2 axle. One interesting item to note:&nb=
sp; when removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 shims behi=
nd the washer. They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know that th=
ey are not original.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"16" height=3D"16" style=3D"width:.1666=
in;height:.1666in" id=3D"_x0000_i1026" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_=
assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f600.png" alt=3D"Emoji"></span><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">
Not sure why, but I will probably put them back. The left side is no=
t the side that was originally leaking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts hol=
ding the hub to the axle casing, and expected to be able to just pull the a=
xle shaft out, as the manual says. But nothing
budged. I then pounded a thin paint scraper between the hub and axle=
casing. That was the only place that I could see where it could come=
apart. It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft. The o=
il seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings
are still attached somehow. The axle shaft does spin, and does=
push in and pull out about 1/4 inch, or less.. I thought the the bea=
ring and seal and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I don't remember the specifics of replacing the o=
il seals previously. Evidently, I ran into the same problem before, j=
ust installed the oil seals, and then reassembled.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it loo=
ks like part of it has never seen any oil. It is completely dry. =
; Yes, I have kept the rear end full, and have greased the
grease fitting. Also, it does appear that the wheel bearings have be=
en replaced before (not by me), as they are marked "made in the USA&qu=
ot; The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold: =
1) I like to follow instructions, and that's what the manual
said, and 2) I wanted to look at the wheel bearing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle s=
haft just slide out, as the manual says? What am I missing?<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded the=
m to my Flickr site, in an album labeled "TR2". They are at=
the end of the album. I also included pictures of the rear
axle drawings and instructions from the manual, plus "Service Diagnos=
is" (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has been, clean.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">The link to that album is:
<a href=3D"https://www.flickr.com/photos/dgunn/albums/72157602881332130/pag=
e1" target=3D"_blank">
TR2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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25" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I tried to take pictures of everything, including=
the axle shaft "pulled out" and "pushed in". The=
re's also pictures of the Bud shims.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">I have not attempted to take the right side off.&=
nbsp; Just in case I am doing something wrong; although, it is at the point=
where the axle shaft should just pull out, and it
doesn't.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">A last (for now) interesting note. I acquir=
ed the TR2 from a friend about 1985. I drove it for about a year, the=
n parked it and raised kids. I started my restoration about
2002, and finished a couple of years later. As I said before, it has been =
parked again since about 2011. Of it's 67 year life, I have owned it =
for about 36 years, but certainly not driving it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica",sans-serif">Thank you, in advance, for your help,<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"He=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
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