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I have a separate ground for each motor mount. If NO ground you will melt t=
he choke cable.
No dash lights. All the lamps you are looking for meet at hot side of the r=
otary dash dimmer.
Best John
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Today's Topics:
1. testing brake light switch (dave northrup)
2. Re: electrical issue (Alex&Janet Thomson)
3. Re: electrical issue (dave northrup)
4. Re: electrical issue (Allan Stults)
5. Re: electrical issue (bill beecher)
6. Re: new hubs (Andrew S. Mace)
7. Re: electrical issue (DAVID MASSEY)
8. Re: electrical issue (DAVID MASSEY)
9. Re: electrical issue (DAVID MASSEY)
10. Re: new hubs (auprichard uprichard.net)
11. Re: electrical issue (auprichard uprichard.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 18:39:02 +0000
From: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] testing brake light switch
I think I can use a compressor to test a brake light switch for a TR3A. ho=
w much pressure? Is 35 pounds too much?
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 16:14:58 -0400
From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson@charter.net>
To: "'auprichard uprichard.net'" <auprichard@uprichard.net>, "'Tony
Drews'" <tony@tonydrews.com>, <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
Isn't there supposed to be a ground strap from the engine block to the body=
somewhere?
Alex Thomson
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard up=
richard.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2026 7:43 AM
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?
tox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.
Regards, Tony
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
Yes ? same circuit. But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.
autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Stults
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM
Subject: [TR] electrical issue
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electr=
ical items are working. Are those 2 items, dash and tail lights on the sam=
e circuit? Everything was working before the paint job.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Allan Stults
Veneta, Oregon
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:21:04 +0000
From: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>, Tony Drews
<tony@tonydrews.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
<triumphs@autox.team.net>, auprichard uprichard.net
<auprichard@uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
Correct me if I'm wrong - TRs never put fuses on light circuits
-------- Original message --------
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: 4/21/26 4:49 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, triumphs@autox.team.net, "auprichard u=
prichard.net" <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
Good point. it wouldn't. But the information offered was a bit sparce. I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness. It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point. Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <au=
prichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.
Regards, Tony
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
Yes ? same circuit. But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.
tox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Stults
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM
Subject: [TR] electrical issue
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electr=
ical items are working. Are those 2 items, dash and tail lights on the sam=
e circuit? Everything was working before the paint job.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Allan Stults
Veneta, Oregon
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 15:55:00 -0700
From: "Allan Stults" <acstults@hushmail.com>
To: "DAVID MASSEY" <dave1massey@cs.com>, "Tony Drews"
<tony@tonydrews.com>, triumphs@autox.team.net, "auprichard
uprichard.net" <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
Message-ID:
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The brake lights work as do the turn signals. All gauges work as does
the heater fan. Only the tail lights and dash lights do not work. I
believe there are only 2 fuses for the car, correct? I've replaced
them both. I can find no loose wires under the dash. The wiring
harness was replaced 2 years ago with a high quality harness.
Everything worked until the paint job.
Thanks again all for your info,
Allan
On 4/21/2026 at 2:41 PM, "DAVID MASSEY" wrote:Good point. it
wouldn't. But the information offered was a bit sparce. Is it just
the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness.
It was a dealer upgrade at some point. Later TR's have a fuse in the
fuse block for that.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT,
auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?
From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and
the body was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On
4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and
the body was painted they may no longer be grounded.
Regards, Tony
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
Yes ? same circuit. But I?d also expect the front side lights /
running lights not to be working and possibly the headlights too.
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light
switch.
From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Allan Stults
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] electrical issue
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it
apart to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home,
I discovered that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.
All other electrical items are working.
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took i=
t
apart to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it
home, I discovered that the tail lights and dash lights were not
working. All other electrical items are working. Are those 2 items,
dash and tail lights on the same circuit? Everything was working
before the paint job.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Allan Stults
Veneta, Oregon
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 20:24:36 -0500
From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com>
To: Thomson Alex&Janet <aljlthomson@charter.net>
Cc: "uprichard.net auprichard" <auprichard@uprichard.net>, Drews Tony
<tony@tonydrews.com>, triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 04:04:01 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald@aol.com>
To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>, dave
northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] new hubs
As I recall, various factory service bulletins noted that 5/16" needed to b=
e removed from the studs.
--Andy
Andrew Mace
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On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 05:03:12 PM EDT, dave northrup <dave@rant=
eer.com> wrote:
Hi.? I?m going to order adapters, wire wheels and tires as soon as my proje=
ct gets close to completion (1958 Triumph TR3A).? I purchased these hubs fr=
om BPNorthwest, and I am trying to figure out if I need to shorten the whee=
l studs.? They are .938? long.? Will that interfere with the adapters??
?
I have asked BP Northwest but they are not very forthcoming with an answer
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:11:57 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
<triumphs@autox.team.net>, "auprichard uprichard.net"
<auprichard@uprichard.net>, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
The TR6 definitely does.? And I recall reading that the TR3 had an issue wh=
ere the tail lights were susceptible to damage from other cars,? being moun=
ted so low, that the red wire could get grounded out and when the lights we=
re switched on the harness would melt causing potential fire so the factor =
at some point put in an in-line fuse just for such an occurrence.
In fact, a quick Google search shows several sources indicating that fact a=
nd the location of the fuse (although the location varies from passenger fo=
otwell and under hood next to the voltage regulator.
But the fact remains that if the tail lights AND the dash lights are not wo=
rking it is likely a common feed point interruption which could be a fuse o=
r a dodgey bullet connector.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 05:21:07 PM CDT, dave northrup <dave@rant=
eer.com> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong - TRs never put fuses on light circuits
-------- Original message --------From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> D=
ate: 4/21/26 4:49 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, trium=
phs@autox.team.net, "auprichard uprichard.net" <auprichard@uprichard.net>Su=
bject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
Good point.? it wouldn't.? But the information offered was a bit sparce.? I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness.? It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point.? Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <au=
prichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.
Regards, Tony
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
Yes ? same circuit.? But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.
?
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.
?
From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Stults
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] electrical issue
?
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.
I have a '62 TR 3B.? I recently had it painted.? The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.).? After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.? All other electr=
ical items are working.? Are those 2 items, dash and tail lights on the sam=
e circuit?? Everything was working before the paint job.
?
Thanks in advance for any help,
?
Allan Stults
Veneta, Oregon
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:13:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
<triumphs@autox.team.net>, "auprichard uprichard.net"
<auprichard@uprichard.net>, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
But you are right in that there wasn't a fuse in the beginning and it was a=
dded as an afterthought.? It's a good idea regardless.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 05:21:07 PM CDT, dave northrup <dave@rant=
eer.com> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong - TRs never put fuses on light circuits
-------- Original message --------From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> D=
ate: 4/21/26 4:49 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, trium=
phs@autox.team.net, "auprichard uprichard.net" <auprichard@uprichard.net>Su=
bject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
Good point.? it wouldn't.? But the information offered was a bit sparce.? I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness.? It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point.? Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <au=
prichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.
Regards, Tony
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
Yes ? same circuit.? But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.
?
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.
?
From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Stults
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] electrical issue
?
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.
I have a '62 TR 3B.? I recently had it painted.? The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.).? After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.? All other electr=
ical items are working.? Are those 2 items, dash and tail lights on the sam=
e circuit?? Everything was working before the paint job.
?
Thanks in advance for any help,
?
Allan Stults
Veneta, Oregon
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:16:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
<triumphs@autox.team.net>, "auprichard uprichard.net"
<auprichard@uprichard.net>, Allan Stults <acstults@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
As you may have seen in a previous post, many (most?) TR3's and TR3A's had =
a fuse added to this circuit to protect against accident damage to the tail=
lights causing a short circuit.? This in-line fuse may be in the passenger=
footwell or under hood near the voltage regulator.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 05:55:01 PM CDT, Allan Stults <acstults@h=
ushmail.com> wrote:
The brake lights work as do the turn signals.? All gauges work as does the=
heater fan.? Only the tail lights and dash lights do not work.? I believe =
there are only 2 fuses for the car, correct?? I've replaced them both.? I c=
an find no loose wires under the dash.? The wiring harness was replaced 2 y=
ears ago with a high quality harness.? Everything worked until the paint jo=
b.
Thanks again all for your info,
Allan
On 4/21/2026 at 2:41 PM, "DAVID MASSEY" <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
Good point.? it wouldn't.? But the information offered was a bit sparce.? I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness.? It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point.? Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net=
<auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.
Regards, Tony
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
Yes ? same circuit.? But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.
?
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.
?
From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Allan Stults
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] electrical issue
?
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.
I have a '62 TR 3B.? I recently had it painted.? The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.).? After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.? All other electr=
ical items are working.? Are those 2 items, dash and tail lights on the sam=
e circuit?? Everything was working before the paint job.
?
Thanks in advance for any help,
?
Allan Stults
Veneta, Oregon
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:48:55 +0000
From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
To: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald@aol.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net"
<triumphs@autox.team.net>, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] new hubs
Message-ID:
<BYAPR07MB4279AFEB999CC76A75188CF3CA2D2@BYAPR07MB4279.namprd07.prod=
.outlook.com>
Replace them, shorten them or buy spacers. Spacers are my preferred route a=
s the wheels sit out a little more.
The interference isn?t with the spacers ? if you don?t deal with the studs =
issue they will hit the wheels themselves.
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Andrew S. Mac=
e
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2026 12:04 AM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net; dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] new hubs
As I recall, various factory service bulletins noted that 5/16" needed to b=
Herald@aol.com> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's n=
ot so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:57:07 +0000
From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
To: Allan Stults <acstults@hushmail.com>, DAVID MASSEY
<dave1massey@cs.com>, Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>,
"triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
Message-ID:
<BYAPR07MB42792E02BF6D0DAB9DED5632CA2D2@BYAPR07MB4279.namprd07.prod=
.outlook.com>
Allan ? are you saying the front side lights / running lights and headlight=
s are working normally?
Are you absolutely sure the dash lights aren?t working? Sometimes it can b=
e hard to see. Park the car in the garage and go out when it is dark to ch=
eck them.
From: Allan Stults <acstults@hushmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2026 6:55 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>; Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>; tri=
umphs@autox.team.net; auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
The brake lights work as do the turn signals. All gauges work as does the =
heater fan. Only the tail lights and dash lights do not work. I believe t=
here are only 2 fuses for the car, correct? I've replaced them both. I ca=
n find no loose wires under the dash. The wiring harness was replaced 2 ye=
ars ago with a high quality harness. Everything worked until the paint job=
.
Thanks again all for your info,
Allan
sey@cs.com>> wrote:
Good point. it wouldn't. But the information offered was a bit sparce. I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness. It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point. Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.
Dave
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <au=
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?
ox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.
Regards, Tony
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
Yes ? same circuit. But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.
ox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Allan Stults
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM
Subject: [TR] electrical issue
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electr=
ical items are working. Are those 2 items, dash and tail lights on the sam=
e circuit? Everything was working before the paint job.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Allan Stults
Veneta, Oregon
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1. testing brake light switch (dave northrup)<br>
2. Re: electrical issue (Alex&Janet Thomson)<br>
3. Re: electrical issue (dave northrup)<br>
4. Re: electrical issue (Allan Stults)<br>
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 18:39:02 +0000<br>
From: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com><br>
To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: [TR] testing brake light switch<br>
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I think I can use a compressor to test a brake light switch for a TR3A.&nbs=
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 16:14:58 -0400<br>
From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson@charter.net><br=
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To: "'auprichard uprichard.net'" <auprichard@uprichard.net>=
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Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
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Isn't there supposed to be a ground strap from the engine block to the body=
somewhere?<br>
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Alex Thomson<br>
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprich=
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2026 7:43 AM<br>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
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But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?<br>
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Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
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I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
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<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony<br>
<br>
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:<br>
<br>
Yes ? same circuit. But I?d also expect the front side lights / runni=
ng lights not to be working and possibly the headlights too.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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>mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <triumphs-bounces@autox.=
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<br>
Subject: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.
<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took=
it apart to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it h=
ome, I discovered that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.&nb=
sp; All other electrical items are working. Are those
2 items, dash and tail lights on the same circuit? Everything was wo=
rking before the paint job.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for any help,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Allan Stults<br>
<br>
Veneta, Oregon<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 22:21:04 +0000<br>
From: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com><br>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>, Tony Drews<br>
<tony@tonydrews.com>, &quo=
t;triumphs@autox.team.net"<br>
<triumphs@autox.team.net>,=
auprichard uprichard.net<br>
<auprichard@uprichard.net>=
<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
Correct me if I'm wrong - TRs never put fuses on light circuits<br>
<br>
<br>
-------- Original message --------<br>
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com><br>
Date: 4/21/26 4:49 PM (GMT-06:00)<br>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, triumphs@autox.team.net, "a=
uprichard uprichard.net" <auprichard@uprichard.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
Good point. it wouldn't. But the information offered was a bit =
sparce. Is it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal light=
s work?<br>
<br>
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness. =
It was a dealer upgrade at some point. Later TR's have a fuse in the =
fuse block for that.<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <=
;auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tony Dr=
ews<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony<br>
<br>
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:<br>
<br>
Yes ? same circuit. But I?d also expect the front side lights / runni=
ng lights not to be working and possibly the headlights too.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net><mailto:triumphs-b=
ounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Stults<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took=
it apart to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it h=
ome, I discovered that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.&nb=
sp; All other electrical items are working. Are those
2 items, dash and tail lights on the same circuit? Everything was wo=
rking before the paint job.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for any help,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Allan Stults<br>
<br>
Veneta, Oregon<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 15:55:00 -0700<br>
From: "Allan Stults" <acstults@hushmail.com><br>
To: "DAVID MASSEY" <dave1massey@cs.com>, "Tony Drews&q=
uot;<br>
<tony@tonydrews.com>, triu=
mphs@autox.team.net, "auprichard<br>
uprichard.net" <aupricha=
rd@uprichard.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
Message-ID:<br>
<6db07134cd2d2bd98524d2a9ecf8=
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The brake lights work as do the turn signals. All gauges work as does=
<br>
the heater fan. Only the tail lights and dash lights do not work.&nbs=
p; I<br>
believe there are only 2 fuses for the car, correct? I've replaced<br=
>
them both. I can find no loose wires under the dash. The wiring=
<br>
harness was replaced 2 years ago with a high quality harness. <br>
Everything worked until the paint job.<br>
Thanks again all for your info,<br>
Allan<br>
On 4/21/2026 at 2:41 PM, "DAVID MASSEY" wrote:Good point.&n=
bsp; it<br>
wouldn't. But the information offered was a bit sparce. Is it j=
ust<br>
the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?<br>
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness. <br>
It was a dealer upgrade at some point. Later TR's have a fuse in the<=
br>
fuse block for that.<br>
Dave <br>
&nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp; <br>
&nb=
sp; On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM=
CDT,<br>
auprichard uprichard.net wrote: &n=
bsp;  =
; &n=
bsp; <br>
&nb=
sp; <br>
But how would bad grounds affect=
the dash lights? <br>
From: Triumphs On Behalf O=
f Tony Drews<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue <br>
I'd check grounds too - if the l=
ights are grounded to the body and<br>
the body was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On<br>
4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ?<br>
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? <br>
I'd check grounds too - if the l=
ights are grounded to the body and<br>
the body was painted they may no longer be grounded. <br>
<br>
Regards, Tony <br>
<br>
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard=
uprichard.net wrote: <br>
<br>
Yes ? same circuit. But I?=
d also expect the front side lights /<br>
running lights not to be working and possibly the headlights too. <br=
>
Get under the dash and check the=
wires in and out of the light<br>
switch. <br>
From: Triumphs On Behalf O=
f Allan Stults<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: [TR] electrical issue <br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently h=
ad it painted. The painter took it<br>
apart to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home,<br>
I discovered that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.<b=
r>
All other electrical items are working. <br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I rece=
ntly had it painted. The painter took it<br>
apart to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it <br>
home, I discovered that the tail lights and dash lights were not<br>
working. All other electrical items are working. Are those 2 it=
ems,<br>
dash and tail lights on the same circuit? Everything was working<br>
before the paint job. <br>
Thanks in advance for any help,&=
nbsp; <br>
Allan Stults <=
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<br>
Veneta, Oregon <br>
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2026 20:24:36 -0500<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 04:04:01 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald@aol.com><br>
To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>,&nb=
sp; dave<br>
northrup <dave@ranteer.com>=
;<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] new hubs<br>
<br>
As I recall, various factory service bulletins noted that 5/16" needed=
to be removed from the studs.<br>
--Andy <br>
Andrew Mace<br>
ZoboHerald@aol.com<br>
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hrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
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<br>
<br>
Hi.? I?m going to order adapters, wire wheels and tires as soon as my proje=
ct gets close to completion (1958 Triumph TR3A).? I purchased these hubs fr=
om BPNorthwest, and I am trying to figure out if I need to shorten the whee=
l studs.? They are .938? long.?
Will that interfere with the adapters??<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
I have asked BP Northwest but they are not very forthcoming with an answer<=
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:11:57 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com><br>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.=
net"<br>
<triumphs@autox.team.net>,=
"auprichard uprichard.net"<br>
<auprichard@uprichard.net>=
, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
The TR6 definitely does.? And I recall reading that the TR3 had an issue wh=
ere the tail lights were susceptible to damage from other cars,? being moun=
ted so low, that the red wire could get grounded out and when the lights we=
re switched on the harness would
melt causing potential fire so the factor at some point put in an in-line =
fuse just for such an occurrence.<br>
In fact, a quick Google search shows several sources indicating that fact a=
nd the location of the fuse (although the location varies from passenger fo=
otwell and under hood next to the voltage regulator.<br>
But the fact remains that if the tail lights AND the dash lights are not wo=
rking it is likely a common feed point interruption which could be a fuse o=
r a dodgey bullet connector.<br>
Dave <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 05:21:07 PM CDT, dave nort=
hrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
<br>
<br>
Correct me if I'm wrong - TRs never put fuses on light circuits<br>
<br>
-------- Original message --------From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com=
> Date: 4/21/26 4:49 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.co=
m>, triumphs@autox.team.net, "auprichard uprichard.net" <au=
prichard@uprichard.net>Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
<br>
Good point.? it wouldn't.? But the information offered was a bit sparce.? I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?<br>
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness.? It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point.? Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.<br>
Dave <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <=
;auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Tony Dre=
ws<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony<br>
<br>
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes ? same circuit.? But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan St=
ults<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B.? I recently had it painted.? The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.).? After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.? All other electr=
ical items are working.? Are those
2 items, dash and tail lights on the same circuit?? Everything was working=
before the paint job.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for any help,<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Allan Stults<br>
<br>
Veneta, Oregon<br>
<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:13:15 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com><br>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.=
net"<br>
<triumphs@autox.team.net>,=
"auprichard uprichard.net"<br>
<auprichard@uprichard.net>=
, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
But you are right in that there wasn't a fuse in the beginning and it was a=
dded as an afterthought.? It's a good idea regardless.<br>
Dave <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 05:21:07 PM CDT, dave nort=
hrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
<br>
<br>
Correct me if I'm wrong - TRs never put fuses on light circuits<br>
<br>
-------- Original message --------From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com=
> Date: 4/21/26 4:49 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.co=
m>, triumphs@autox.team.net, "auprichard uprichard.net" <au=
prichard@uprichard.net>Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue
<br>
Good point.? it wouldn't.? But the information offered was a bit sparce.? I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?<br>
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness.? It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point.? Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.<br>
Dave <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <=
;auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Tony Dre=
ws<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony<br>
<br>
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes ? same circuit.? But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan St=
ults<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B.? I recently had it painted.? The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.).? After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.? All other electr=
ical items are working.? Are those
2 items, dash and tail lights on the same circuit?? Everything was working=
before the paint job.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for any help,<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Allan Stults<br>
<br>
Veneta, Oregon<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:16:07 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com><br>
To: Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.=
net"<br>
<triumphs@autox.team.net>,=
"auprichard uprichard.net"<br>
<auprichard@uprichard.net>=
, Allan Stults <acstults@hushmail.com><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
As you may have seen in a previous post, many (most?) TR3's and TR3A's had =
a fuse added to this circuit to protect against accident damage to the tail=
lights causing a short circuit.? This in-line fuse may be in the passenger=
footwell or under hood near the
voltage regulator.<br>
Dave <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 05:55:01 PM CDT, Allan Stu=
lts <acstults@hushmail.com> wrote:
<br>
<br>
The brake lights work as do the turn signals.? All gauges work as doe=
s the heater fan.? Only the tail lights and dash lights do not work.? I bel=
ieve there are only 2 fuses for the car, correct?? I've replaced them both.=
? I can find no loose wires under the
dash.? The wiring harness was replaced 2 years ago with a high quality har=
ness.? Everything worked until the paint job.<br>
Thanks again all for your info,<br>
Allan<br>
On 4/21/2026 at 2:41 PM, "DAVID MASSEY" <dave1massey@cs.com>=
; wrote:<br>
Good point.? it wouldn't.? But the information offered was a bit sparce.? I=
s it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal lights work?<br>
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness.? It wa=
s a dealer upgrade at some point.? Later TR's have a fuse in the fuse block=
for that.<br>
Dave <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichar=
d uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Tony Dre=
ws<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony<br>
<br>
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes ? same circuit.? But I?d also expect the front side lights / running li=
ghts not to be working and possibly the headlights too.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Allan Stu=
lts<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Subject: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B.? I recently had it painted.? The painter took it apart =
to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.).? After bringing it home, I discover=
ed that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.? All other electr=
ical items are working.? Are those
2 items, dash and tail lights on the same circuit?? Everything was working=
before the paint job.<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for any help,<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
Allan Stults<br>
<br>
Veneta, Oregon<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 10<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:48:55 +0000<br>
From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net><br>
To: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald@aol.com>, "triumphs@a=
utox.team.net"<br>
<triumphs@autox.team.net>,=
dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] new hubs<br>
Message-ID:<br>
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Replace them, shorten them or buy spacers. Spacers are my preferred route a=
s the wheels sit out a little more.<br>
<br>
The interference isn?t with the spacers ? if you don?t deal with the studs =
issue they will hit the wheels themselves.<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Andrew =
S. Mace<br>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2026 12:04 AM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net; dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] new hubs<br>
<br>
As I recall, various factory service bulletins noted that 5/16" needed=
to be removed from the studs. --Andy Andrew Mace ZoboHerald@aol.com<<a =
href=3D"mailto:ZoboHerald@aol.com";>mailto:ZoboHerald@aol.com</a>> *Mrs I=
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As I recall, various factory service bulletins noted that 5/16" needed=
to be removed from the studs.<br>
<br>
--Andy<br>
Andrew Mace<br>
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Hi. I?m going to order adapters, wire wheels and tires as soon as my =
project gets close to completion (1958 Triumph TR3A). I purchased the=
se hubs from BPNorthwest, and I am trying to figure out if I need to shorte=
n the wheel studs. They are .938? long.
Will that interfere with the adapters?<br>
<br>
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Message: 11<br>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 11:57:07 +0000<br>
From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@uprichard.net><br>
To: Allan Stults <acstults@hushmail.com>, DAVID MASSEY<br>
<dave1massey@cs.com>, Tony=
Drews <tony@tonydrews.com>,<br>
"triumphs@autox.team.net&qu=
ot; <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
Message-ID:<br>
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<br>
Allan ? are you saying the front side lights / running lights and headlight=
s are working normally?<br>
<br>
Are you absolutely sure the dash lights aren?t working? Sometimes it =
can be hard to see. Park the car in the garage and go out when it is =
dark to check them.<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Allan Stults <acstults@hushmail.com><br>
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2026 6:55 PM<br>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>; Tony Drews <tony@tonydrews.=
com>; triumphs@autox.team.net; auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard@u=
prichard.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
The brake lights work as do the turn signals. All gauges work as does=
the heater fan. Only the tail lights and dash lights do not work.&nb=
sp; I believe there are only 2 fuses for the car, correct? I've repla=
ced them both. I can find no loose wires under the
dash. The wiring harness was replaced 2 years ago with a high qualit=
y harness. Everything worked until the paint job.<br>
<br>
Thanks again all for your info,<br>
<br>
Allan<br>
<br>
On 4/21/2026 at 2:41 PM, "DAVID MASSEY" <dave1massey@cs.com<=
;mailto:dave1massey@cs.com>> wrote:<br>
Good point. it wouldn't. But the information offered was a bit =
sparce. Is it just the tail lights and do the brake turn signal light=
s work?<br>
<br>
I believe there is a fuse for those lights somewhere in the harness. =
It was a dealer upgrade at some point. Later TR's have a fuse in the =
fuse block for that.<br>
<br>
Dave<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, April 21, 2026 at 10:40:26 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <=
;auprichard@uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net>> wrote:=
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
But how would bad grounds affect the dash lights?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounc=
es@autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Tony Drews<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:05 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
<br>
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I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded. Regards, Tony On 4/20/2026 5:3=
8 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?=
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<br>
<br>
I'd check grounds too - if the lights are grounded to the body and the body=
was painted they may no longer be grounded.<br>
<br>
Regards, Tony<br>
<br>
On 4/20/2026 5:38 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:<br>
<br>
Yes ? same circuit. But I?d also expect the front side lights / runni=
ng lights not to be working and possibly the headlights too.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Get under the dash and check the wires in and out of the light switch.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounc=
es@autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Allan Stults<br>
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 4:17 PM<br>
To: triumphs@autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: [TR] electrical issue<br>
<br>
<br>
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I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took it apart to=
paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it home, I discovered =
that the tail lights and dash lights were not working. All other electrical=
items are working.<br>
<br>
I have a '62 TR 3B. I recently had it painted. The painter took=
it apart to paint (fenders, doors, trunk, etc.). After bringing it h=
ome, I discovered that the tail lights and dash lights were not working.&nb=
sp; All other electrical items are working. Are those
2 items, dash and tail lights on the same circuit? Everything was wo=
rking before the paint job.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance for any help,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Allan Stults<br>
<br>
Veneta, Oregon<br>
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