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Re[2]: Fwd: Re[2]: By the way....

To: CLCSF@aol.com, owner-vintage-race@Autox.Team.Net, MHKitchen@aol.com,
Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: Re[2]: By the way....
From: "Dunst, Mordecai" <mdunst@smtplink.Coh.ORG>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 11:35:07 pst
     
There are several issuse here-
1) As a member of a Vintage club I put my trust in the Board of Directors 
to lead and make decisions.  Most of those decisions have to (by virtue of 
their urgency..) take place at a board meeting and can not be sent for 
general membership approval. I understand that they act in the best interest
of the club.  Not all decicions are popular.  This is just another point on 
the learning curve.  I hope the Board Does not need many such points.
 
2) Yes, it bothers me that favoritism is given to Big Bore (read LOUD)
cars in  general.  People like noise...and RISK. The promoters of events know
demographics and will play up to this.  i.e. NASCAR  promotors know this
and take it to the bank weekly if not daily.

3) Vintage racing is "MORPHING" and we are part of it.  Some of us don't want 
change others dream of it.  What will 'vintage' be in twenty years..?  Once
we know that all else will be simplified.

4) Directing a large vintage club is very time intensive and often times not
fun.  I personally see a conmpromise. I want to "arrive and drive". Therefore
I willingly give the board permisssion to do what it has to to make the venue
happen -since I don't have the time to do it myself.  See #1, not all 
decisions are popular.  
   
   Mordy     

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Subject: Re:  Fwd: Re[2]: By the way....
Author:  S800Racer@aol.com at INTERNET
Date:    9/25/97 10:38 AM


 Several years ago I went nuts (although some say I have always been a little
off!) when I saw a reference in a magazine about organizers paying towing cost 
of some Can-Am owners "to insure a quality field" of those cars at an event 
where they were to be featured.  I wrote a letter that was published in 
Victory Lane and said that it insults the intelligence to think that any 
owners of very expensive machinery need help with towing expenses!  It is also 
an insult to the other 200-300 entrants that make the event possible, as if to 
imply that they are not important.  I'll bet that the MG and Triumph guys 
never get a free entry or towing expenses paid when their marque is featured!
 This is an issue that needs to be addressed again.  We hear the organizers
cry and moan that they are losing money and then we find out that they had 
enough cash to let 40 or so of the wealthier owners come to an event gratis!
 That works out to about $10,000 at $250 per entry.  If this incentive
persuades those guys to come to an event it is not because they need the 
money, it is because they like to have their ego stroked.  I agree with Mordy 
that I don't want to subsidize the ego stroking of wealthy owners.  (I don't 
hate all wealthy car owners.  I have met some very nice ones and I am aware 
that some are very generous contributors, sponsoring track parties and such)
 Vintage racing is a growing industry.  Entries are up at most events, more
fans are coming (and paying) to watch the events and corporate sponsors are 
beginning to have more presence at more events as well.  If an organization 
wants to have loyal members and be successful with big entries, I believe 
they should show the rank and file that they value our participation as much 
as the rich guys with expensive cars.  If the organizer had $10,000 to pass 
out, why not pass it around to ALL ENTRANTS.  Wouldn't you have a warm fuzzy 
about that event and organization if they refunded $40 or $50 of your entry?
 Wouldn't you be more likely to go to one of their events again?
 Does all this sound socialist?  I don't think it is.  We (rank and file
owners) are the market (in terms of entry fees) and also the product (by 
using our cars to put on the show).  Market share and quality product are 
important to the vintage race organizers.  It is in their best interest to 
establish some 'brand loyalty' and put out a good product.  I am suggesting 
that they can further these goals by making their events more financially 
attractive to all entrants, so you see it's all very capitolist.
 So, let's get the torches and pitchforks and march to the doors of the
organizers demanding immediate reforms.  If they refuse, we will begin a 
terrorist campaign promising that at least one british motor (I don't have 
enough parts to sacrifice mine!) will self destruct and oil up the track 
during every session!  Hmm, do you think they would notice any change?  I'll 
think of something else.  Maybe we should unionize.
     
 Your humble rabble rousing writer,
 Doug Meis - Team Escargot
 1967 Honda S800
     
     

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