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I'm cautiously venturing beyond my paygrade here, but are we not talking =
about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as air enters a conical tube =
the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube diameter conically =
diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed increases inside the =
carb. Without a conical stub stack, there is no acceleration in the air =
entering the carb inlet. How much lift would we get from a =
cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a squared-off leading =
edge?
That being said, how can the original Magnette intake plenum perform any =
of this function? Same question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. =
I would think they would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette =
engine always run better with stub stacks rather than the original =
plenum?
Curious in Michigan.
(Allen)
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Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:
> Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more power. =
Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake which helps =
your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque and slightly =
better fuel economy. You note vintage racers usually have anywhere =
from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a coarse filter, most =
just hoping nothing of consequence enters the throat=85 I have a set of =
2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s on my MGB and they seem to =
help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my Magnette.
> =20
> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net =
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Greenberg
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:34 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Stub stacks
> =20
> What is a stub stack? Would it allow for a filter that lies closer to =
the engine than a regular pancake filter?
> =20
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
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> I've always just used the item #54 from the Moss catalog: =
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#top =
Are these from APT or Rimmer better?
> =20
> Always anxious to learn...
> Allen
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> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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> =20
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM, monster@caverock.net.nz wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub stacks and I've tried emailing =
Steve Ash several times to see if he would make some more, but I haven't =
got an answer from him.
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> So... from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two types =
available at a reasonable cost:
> $32.50 ea =
-http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20Stack%20=
SU%20HS4.aspx
> $57 pair - http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-RL1396ALT
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> I've excluded the K&N ones as they are very rough, by all accounts.
> Are there any others that people would recommend?
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> They're going to fit inside K&N filters that are 2 1/8" thick.
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> regards,
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but are we not talking about the Bernoulli Principle: stating that as =
air enters a conical tube the air pressure is maximized, but as the tube =
diameter conically diminishes, air pressure decreases as air speed =
increases inside the carb. Without a conical stub stack, there is =
no acceleration in the air entering the carb inlet. How much lift =
would we get from a cross-sectionally flat airplane wing-top with a =
squared-off leading edge?<div><br></div><div>That being said, how can =
the original Magnette intake plenum perform any of this function? Same =
question for the intake plenums on T-series cars. I would think they =
would be Bernoullian disasters. Would a Magnette engine always run =
better with stub stacks rather than the original =
plenum?</div><div><br></div><div>Curious in =
Michigan.</div><div><br></div><div>(Allen)</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 13, 2013, at 7:33 PM, John Park wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span =
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lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
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">Depending on length it can produce a much smoother flow, some say a =
bit of a ram effect which increases power and torque . Longer stacks as =
in longer runners means more torque while shorter ones mean more =
power. Not lots, but it all contributes to a freer flowing intake =
which helps your freer flowing exhaust to make a bit more power/torque =
and slightly better fuel economy. You note vintage racers usually =
have anywhere from2.5 to 6 inch stacks. Some with a stocking for a =
coarse filter, most just hoping nothing of consequence enters the =
throat=85 I have a set of 2.25 inch stacks in my 3.25 inch K&N=92s =
on my MGB and they seem to help. Just the ho hum stock setup on my =
Magnette.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On =
Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Richard =
Greenberg<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 13, =
2013 12:34 PM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>List for the Z Magnette =
Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Zmagnette] Stub =
stacks<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">What is a stub stack? Would it =
allow for a filter that lies closer to the engine than a regular pancake =
filter?<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:53 =
AM, Allen Bachelder wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
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"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; =
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font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I've always just used the item =
#54 from the Moss catalog:<span =
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996#top" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=3D28996#to=
p</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span> Are these =
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learn...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
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Roman', serif; ">On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:10 AM,<span =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; ">Hi everyone,<br><br>I'd like to get a pair of 1.5" H4 stub =
stacks and I've tried emailing Steve Ash several times to see if he =
would make some more, but I haven't got an answer from him.<br><br>So... =
from a light scour of the internet there appears to be two types =
available at a reasonable cost:<br>$32.50 ea -<a =
href=3D"http://www.aptfast.com/ShowItem/101221%20Billet%20Alloy%20Stub%20S=
tack%20SU%20HS4.aspx" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
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