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Hi John
You are correct in that they are monocoque however you are incorrect in that
the British Industry Motor Heritage refers to the VIN number (the KAE. bit)
is referred to as the Car/Chassis Number so in a sense Allen is completely
correct.
Paul
Paul Barrow
153 Clemons Road
Montesano, WA 98563 USA
+1 360 249 5123 Landline
+1 360 500 9389 Cell phone
+1 360 249 3776 Fax
Paul.Barrow@centurytel.net
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From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Park
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:45 PM
To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
There is no chassis it's a monocoque. Do you mean the serial number for the
car or the body number? I'm not sure if it's only Varitones that have body
numbers or if they all have a body number. Maybe we should do engine numbers
too? Just some more thoughts/questions.
From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net
[mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:56 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG Roster
Something just occurred to me - it's a question that can be answered in
three ways as I see it: should we include chassis numbers in the roster? We
can say yes, no, or leave it up to the members. Granted that NAMGAR does
the registration aspects of ZMG, but on occasion it might be handy and/or
fun to have our own casual records. Maybe, for example, we'll discover we
have some sequentially-related cars. More seriously, we may discover some
subtle mid-model changes that affect technical concerns. I'll propose that
each of us can pursue this at his/her option, unless Mike finds a glitch in
being able to include this in the data. It would be neat to be able to
search our cars by chassis number. If the data is available in the roster,
Mike need do nothing more, a member can simply import the data to an Excel
file, allowing one to organize and search by chassis number.
This may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a modest response will
tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no big deal...
Cheers,
Allen
****************************************************************
Allen & Florrie Bachelder =iii=<
Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
North Street, MI 48049, USA
http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
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On Nov 27, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike wrote:
Howdy all,
That's a darn good idea, updating the Roster. The last version came out in
July, so we're about due for a new one.
But I've been lax, and haven't gathered any info from most of the new
members since July So, if you joined in the past half year, or you're an
old-timer that never subscribed to the Roster, send me your info now. Here's
what can go into it:
Your first name, middle initial, and last name.
Your SO's first & last name. (SO's don't get middle initials - no one has
ever asked for that.)
Address: Street, city, state/province, postal code, country.
Up to two phone numbers
Email address
Special-interest cars (no 2010 Toyota Camrys, e.g.)
Services provided
Comments
Cars are recorded like so: Year, Make, Model, Color, Status
Colors are shown exterior w/ interior. For two-tone cars, it's exterior
top/exterior bottom w/ interior. For an example, here's the entry for my
car, an Old English White over Birch Grey Varitone with maroon interior:
Year: 1958 Make: MG Model: ZBV Color: OEW/Birch grey w/ maroon Status:
Always a driver
You don't have to worry about the formatting; I'll take care of that.
For Services, people tend to write about help they can provide. Entries
range from "Tools, some parts, can come out & help, limited garage space."
to "Cold beer on hand at all times."
Comments can be anything else you'd care to add.
And it's all optional. One person just has his name, email address, and the
line for his Magnette. Other people include all their special-interest cars
(we don't list motorcycles or "regular" cars) and some history.
If you haven't already, send me your info now, while we're all still
thinking of it, and I'll send out an updated roster next month.
Let me know at mikesmuseum@yahoo.com if you have any questions. Please don't
reply to the group and spam everyone.
Thanks!
Mike Jacobsen
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On Wed, 11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <bachldrs@comcast.net> wrote:
Subject: [Zmagnette] New Member
To: "zmagnette" <zmagnette@autox.team.net>, "John Taft" <jtaft89@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM
Everybody...
... Mike updates the roster twice a year and perhaps he can remind us when
the next revision is coming out. ....
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Zmagnette mailing list
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You are correct in that they are monoc=
oque
however you are incorrect in that the British Industry Motor Heritage refer=
s to
the VIN number (the KAE… bit) is referred to as the Car/Chassis Numbe=
r so
in a sense Allen is completely correct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 28,=
2013
6:45 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st=3D=
"on">List
for the Z Magnette Group - <st1:place w:st=3D"on">North America</st1:place=
></st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG
Roster</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D'>There is no chas=
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it’s a monocoque. Do you mean the serial number for the car or the bo=
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number? I’m not sure if it’s only Varitones that have body numb=
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or if they all have a body number. Maybe we should do engine numbers too? J=
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zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net] =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 27=
, 2013
8:56 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"=
on">List
for the Z Magnette Group - North America</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Zmagnette] ZMG
Roster<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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d in
three ways as I see it: should we include chassis numbers in the roster?
We can say yes, no, or leave it up to the members. Granted that
NAMGAR does the registration aspects of ZMG, but on occasion it might be ha=
ndy
and/or fun to have our own casual records. Maybe, for example, we'll
discover we have some sequentially-related cars. More seriously, we may
discover some subtle mid-model changes that affect technical concerns.
I'll propose that each of us can pursue this at his/her option, unles=
s
Mike finds a glitch in being able to include this in the data. It would be =
neat
to be able to search our cars by chassis number. If the data is available i=
n
the roster, Mike need do nothing more, a member can simply import the data =
to
an Excel file, allowing one to organize and search by chassis number.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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'font-size:
12.0pt'>This may be of little concern to most of us. If so, a modest respon=
se
will tell the story and I'll let it go. It's no big deal...<o:p></o:p=
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Howdy all,<br>
<br>
That's a darn good idea, updating the Roster. The last version came out in
July, so we're about due for a new one.<br>
<br>
But I've been lax, and haven't gathered any info from most of the new membe=
rs
since July So, if you joined in the past half year, or you're an old-timer =
that
never subscribed to the Roster, send me your info now. Here's what can go i=
nto
it:<br>
<br>
Your first name, middle initial, and last name.<br>
Your SO's first & last name. (SO's don't get middle initials - no one h=
as
ever asked for that.)<br>
Address: Street, city, state/province, postal code, country.<br>
Up to two phone numbers<br>
Email address<br>
Special-interest cars (no 2010 Toyota Camrys, e.g.)<br>
Services provided<br>
Comments<br>
<br>
Cars are recorded like so: Year, Make, Model, Color, Status<br>
<br>
Colors are shown exterior w/ interior. For two-tone cars, it's exterior
top/exterior bottom w/ interior. For an example, here's the entry for my ca=
r,
an Old English White over Birch Grey Varitone with maroon interior:<br>
<br>
Year: 1958 Make: MG Model: ZBV Color: OEW/Birch grey w/ m=
aroon
Status: Always a driver<br>
<br>
You don't have to worry about the formatting; I'll take care of that.<br>
<br>
For Services, people tend to write about help they can provide. Entries ran=
ge
from "Tools, some parts, can come out & help, limited garage
space." to "Cold beer on hand at all times."<br>
<br>
Comments can be anything else you'd care to add.<br>
<br>
And it's all optional. One person just has his name, email address, and the
line for his Magnette. Other people include all their special-interest cars=
(we
don't list motorcycles or "regular" cars) and some history.<br>
<br>
If you haven't already, send me your info now, while we're all still thinki=
ng
of it, and I'll send out an updated roster next month.<br>
<br>
Let me know at <a href=3D"mailto:mikesmuseum@yahoo.com";>mikesmuseum@yahoo.c=
om</a>
if you have any questions. Please don't reply to the group and spam everyon=
e.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Mike Jacobsen<br>
<br>
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On Wed, 11/27/13, Allen Bachelder <<a href=3D"mailto:bachldrs@comcast.ne=
t">bachldrs@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
Subject: [Zmagnette] New Member<br>
To: "zmagnette" <<a href=3D"mailto:zmagnette@autox.team.net";>z=
magnette@autox.team.net</a>>,
"John Taft" <<a href=3D"mailto:jtaft89@gmail.com";>jtaft89@gmai=
l.com</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 12:03 PM<br>
<br>=0D=0AEverybody... <br>
... Mike updates the roster twice a year and perhaps he can remind us when=
the
next revision is coming out. ....<br>
<br>
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