From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Dec 9 11:31:03 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840444246B for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:31:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B33240548; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D89A137B; Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:30:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:30:38 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120315 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 To: Triumphs , Triumph <6pack@autox.team.net>, Spitfires@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Archive search Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net It should be working better. Link below. mjb. ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 11:50:38 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F342540E41 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:50:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from rhombus.bright.net (rhombus.bright.net [209.143.0.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B20940414 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:50:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from spamtest4.bright.net (spamtest4.bright.net [209.143.0.182]) by rhombus.bright.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBDIlQvk003983 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:47:26 -0500 Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by spamtest4.bright.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qBDInKD2013914 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:49:20 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.2.4-GA) with ESMTP id BRR89213 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:49:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:49:35 -0500 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 To: 6pack@autox.team.net References: <1354136863.26501.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <012401cdcdae$5438e1f0$fcaaa5d0$@biz> refid=str=0001.0A020206.50CA2330.014F,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-09-13 19:33:14, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=single engine Subject: Re: [6pack] Performance Research Industries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Why not try us. We build good engines, realistic prices and excellent machining. And, we answer our phones. Ted On 11/28/2012 4:21 PM, brian@asmoothmove.biz wrote: > Does anyone on the net have first-hand experience working with Performance > Research Industries (PRI) out of Oregon? They have some natural aspirated -6 > engine build-ups that look very interesting and are indicating upwards of > 160HP. > > Thanks, > > Brian > > Brian J. Alwin > 1972 TR-6 CC79085 > Rochester, Minnesota > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tedtsimx@bright.net > > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 13:50:13 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D99B42452 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:50:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FBD40E3F for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:49:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b2Gj1k0071ZMdJ4A38olk6; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:48:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.72] ([24.8.234.200]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id b8oj1k00R4L5TyG8c8okeB; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:48:45 +0000 From: Bud R To: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:48:43 -0700 References: <1354136863.26501.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <012401cdcdae$5438e1f0$fcaaa5d0$@biz> s=q20121106; t=1355431725; bh=oUkjKvyS1bwP85LIr6cCyQvEYV8MyDk2TPGhhpY37p8=; h=Received:Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Subject: Mime-Version:Date; b=bFVUPhwX+p+JLsXk7bC68z4hLfR/cOJwT/tTu6LL4sP4fx3mUX6YjIugZQq5T4C2k 99DBI6jx/LlketMCAYiel/r/xuwEtP1X5CRHrl2DVGnXtJP4tN0GIbrAEmuwzboz3o vCVPPAaYETc3i3nVi8NQEVu0j9xc9D9DAS6zny9b51bN3UvyXpyAGiwR0mqy3zQy/I +VD7LUTM1LrDUeAxNZxLVt1oCmBLwBrz1vsq3UnTJEk4xTVGxuU1LGD2p+kVAjj4Fz aUxclPdh+uzZ2QUBR4vKEqJMkALbRv1P6liwSF7SKC52GzRa+kupUncX6NVWvdCXXq F6jBr4QrfX0UQ== Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Performance Research Industries Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net If it's these guys: Performance Research Industries 1313 Duke St. Ste. A Sutherlin, OR 97479 my experience was more on the negative side. They demanded $12 to ship a Spitfire manifold gasket that cost $15. Seemed excessive and I said so but they insisted. The gaskets arrived a little bent..so much for my $12. Their stated policy "all shipping charges (national and international) are calculated and applied at time of shipping due to the uniqueness of each part" seems ingenuous given the flat rate they charged me and the poor job of protecting the product. Also the gaskets were not as they appeared in their online ad so it's questionable whether I even got what I paid for. But I'm tired of dealing with them and will move on. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:21 PM, wrote: > Does anyone on the net have first-hand experience working with > Performance > Research Industries (PRI) out of Oregon? They have some natural > aspirated -6 > engine build-ups that look very interesting and are indicating > upwards of > 160HP. > > Thanks, > > Brian > > Brian J. Alwin > 1972 TR-6 CC79085 > Rochester, Minnesota > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi@comcast.net ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 13 17:38:38 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740FA4227D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:38:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A82640435 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qBE0bZrN002089 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:37:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:37:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: [6pack] Another Sunday ride in Khartu (fwd) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at Devens, MA. Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 19 19:32:20 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D47E40445 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:32:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mailbox.cws.net (mailbox.cws.net [63.164.138.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D02F40412 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from DellE5520 (71-214-135-86.roch.qwest.net [71.214.135.86]) (Authenticated sender: brian@asmoothmove.biz) by mailbox.cws.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0928A1840015 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:30:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian J. Alwin" To: <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:30:09 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac3eWP4hE/SPDXKPRbSBcQglL2kk6A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I found a donor engine for my "hot rod" TR-6 engine project. It's a late 72/early 73 that's likely been apart once before. It's in fine condition inside though and even appears to have a forged crankshaft. My question is that the connecting rods on 4,5,6 have relief holes at the base of the beam. Any idea why this was done to certain rods? Are they structurally inferior to those that do not have the holes? Thanks! > Brian J. Alwin > 1972 TR-6 CC79085 > Rochester, Minnesota ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 09:22:19 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0FA40568 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:22:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238A040445 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:21:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qBKGKCN0002165; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:20:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Brian J. Alwin" References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz> Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, There are two rod styles for TR6, early and late. The late rods appear with the change to CF / CR comm. numbers. The early rods are "better" if you're building a race engine. This is according to a reliable source with credentials in materials science. All TR6 cranks are forged. EN40, if I recall. If your motor has three early rads and three late rods, there's probably a story there unless you have an early CF / CR block in which case you have "the luck of the draw"... Also, if you have different rods types, I'd make sure the dynamic balance of the motor is good - there's a difference in the weight of the early and late rods. ;-) regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 09:31:20 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBA740687 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:31:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30B0540454 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:30:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25563 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2012 16:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.199.103.205) by smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.30) with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2012 16:29:26 -0000 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Robert M. Lang'" , "'Brian J. Alwin'" References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:29:31 -0500 thread-index: AQEMUY/UpDx+Ol6UPILomtwPHhi2GwE6zydEmZsj2KA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I may be talking out of turn, but my understanding is that factory rods will not withstand significant increases in horse power in these 6-cylinder engines. When I rebuilt my 250, I went for upgraded rods as a hedge against this. I also installed cam bearings but I did stay with the original crank. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:20 AM To: Brian J. Alwin Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Hi, There are two rod styles for TR6, early and late. The late rods appear with the change to CF / CR comm. numbers. The early rods are "better" if you're building a race engine. This is according to a reliable source with credentials in materials science. All TR6 cranks are forged. EN40, if I recall. If your motor has three early rads and three late rods, there's probably a story there unless you have an early CF / CR block in which case you have "the luck of the draw"... Also, if you have different rods types, I'd make sure the dynamic balance of the motor is good - there's a difference in the weight of the early and late rods. ;-) regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/auprichard@uprichard.net ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 09:42:48 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E27140543 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:42:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBEF40454 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:42:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNT127-W35 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:40:46 -0800 From: Richard Seaton To: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:40:46 -0600 References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz>, FILETIME=[C2C3FB40:01CDDED0] Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:20:12 -0500 > From: lang@isis.mit.edu > To: brian@asmoothmove.biz > CC: > Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes > > Hi, > > There are two rod styles for TR6, early and late. The late rods appear > with the change to CF / CR comm. numbers. > > The early rods are "better" if you're building a race engine. This is > according to a reliable source with credentials in materials science. > > All TR6 cranks are forged. EN40, if I recall. > > If your motor has three early rads and three late rods, there's probably a > story there unless you have an early CF / CR block in which case you have > "the luck of the draw"... > > Also, if you have different rods types, I'd make sure the dynamic balance > of the motor is good - there's a difference in the weight of the early and > late rods. ;-) > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/rsh17@msn.com ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 09:54:38 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2874053F for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:54:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFF440454 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:54:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qBKGqhsK002274; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:52:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Andrew Uprichard References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz> <010f01cddecf$31442b00$93cc8100$@uprichard.net> Cc: 6pack@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I may be talking out of turn, but my understanding is that factory rods will > not withstand significant increases in horse power in these 6-cylinder > engines. When I rebuilt my 250, I went for upgraded rods as a hedge against > this. I also installed cam bearings but I did stay with the original crank. There's no "out of turn" here. So, no worries. Kastner built his 12.3:1 motors with factory rods. Granted, they were prepped to a high level, but they were factory rods. The prep included lightening and polishing, end-to-end balancing. But they got 165-ish HP on those motors which is def. borderline "significant increase in power". Part of the discussion should always address the "why" aspects. In his case, Kastner was restricted by rules. Our situations may be different, but still constrained by factors such as money or availability of parts. >From a cost / price perspective, getting a set of alternate rods is probably cheaper than paying for all the prep referred to above. Unless you do all your own work and you charge $0 / hr for your labor in which case the stock rods are the way to go (because you have them). I agree on cam bearings. It's worth the cost. Period. The original crank is fine unless you plan to turn stupid RPMs in which case you pretty much have to look at billet cranks and learn to write REALLY BIG CHECKS without flinching. Of course, if you're trying to get stupid big power from a TR6 engine, common sense and affinity for your cash are long gone from the picture. > Andrew Uprichard regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 10:00:36 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD4240571 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:00:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from isis.mit.edu (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5394B40519 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:59:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from ISIS.MIT.EDU (ISIS.MIT.EDU [18.142.2.157]) by isis.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qBKGwCkE002297; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:58:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Richard Seaton References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz>, Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, adamant that early rods are the better choice. I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where the stresses all converge. But I've been wrong before. ;-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 20 12:37:10 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D59240540 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:37:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0FA40433; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id c13so5243918ieb.31 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KlD0xk9mw7JpkdpdUy7bOcNiEqObjaXsHUbOuYMDx70=; b=OArSPFIGD9maIW0rZhdyfLK2DWE6x05Kc94mBJaKCXRBF9TmjJhLonZsLNoQ+mjmm2 mlCIR5c/mqdBIQBXy3QuXrOQRrT41Ceipm/eR/LgTCjhSmQbK7IEzx2tXPr9S3KhGISY +Sb2wAr58iXXIIsRNcg4m1dP39nj9vR4Ygvo4KSg4llaTGdIqXS6rGK6Qc+Yj/FNSKgp hsju21GXEbOltElDUbztjvfOcvakym8Wy4DBJfzKfksM1sVZMgRV9p0+xVc+yzBIxOyp G3JEXE4z68UQq6ZEfxOlHxwYFpEyXtViTrwLU5t8x9aP1bUfKEHJbaPvggI/ipnBwrTB 64LA== Received: by 10.50.203.100 with SMTP id kp4mr11213712igc.35.1356032134233; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.91.195 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 (PST) References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Robert M. Lang" , Friends Cc: 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Added FOT to this string -- sorry for those it is a duplicate. Wanted to try to equate the hp number I just got of by car from a DynoJet chassis dyno with the numbers from "back in the day". Found a great article at : http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html to net it out, as it were: HP before 1972 in US was a gross figure -- engine dyno, no accessories. After 72 SAE HP is engine with accessories -- about a 20% parasitic loss (net SAE) When you factor in rear wheel through drive train with a standard tranny you lose 15% more. My racing TR6 was measured at 172 on the dyno [and running rich] with PI, hottest cam I can get, lots of head work and a Pacesetter exhaust maifold to 2.5" pipe with racing muffler [am putting in a Goodparts header before racing next year]. Using .15 for parasitic loss instead of .2, I get about 202 SAE Net HP and a wopping 238 using 1970 gross SAE values. I seem to recall in one of KAS books they were getting around 240 HP on the engines -- and there gross versus net were probably the same as thee were no "accessories" on the race engine. That seems about right also -- I should pick up some HP with the header and leaning it out and I run about 12.5:1 compression. Think Kas was around 14:1. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. >> > > Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. >> > > I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, > adamant that early rods are the better choice. > > I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't > start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where > the stresses all converge. > > But I've been wrong before. > > ;-) > > rml > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > > ______________________________**__________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/triosan@gmail.* > *com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 16:20:14 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC78640547 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:20:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD0540441 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 23:18:07 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.193] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 23:18:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2012 23:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 78888 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2012 23:18:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356563887; bh=JkCft54NJbPpas4QLmTnSnK/rHhiUmLmAHRMKXZFRWo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TpTOGyefcFXVBPXryo6SOzIh1tjTIkbzL3A2EgdAMpX+6Ygqo7dQlHAffjAPnFHoubshuzB3idekwxpflnp/iW7eYF0XRA3kG+FioELXWnt37dZkJxxOI6S6+ueRHXuqlxp8lnSJSvBT2k4H2G2Wn1Dkq8rTG8dFzFiuqsFJZvw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cvmxSuX+AD6Q9Yefc3n8jFWANHsncN2t3wgQcV5vWh40QNFTaLGpKAJsVtCNroGlGYYmYcRI6FNYCD0jNpyTKZOdBUve2S+hOIMo/BAlZjaG5ETWSJz/ayNy5TPmFPHeIPmQbQ+O/FVoHFqTAX0tdMutwGzXQ4SVCYYHUIkgLIs=; FrYE4zjMCy4nzMRzLU_SUJENRb84rP5J_C73nNJ3oL7V6iQePZANBvImqqYe lYJi8t1YI3QjtleSqr0r_Cw_4nXf85jUcd52Bb78qUj0NyiovBMZU9Nd96_x w3eFQS5ZgA9Lz3TIfgVsK3SGDGOBlpuoYot2HkLijTTLkRYESUwuMWl5nSKt 39VM1bmDEaHFe0JxJCvnAeipFsD3YbU0FEQJEnjgH4pZXM.9BkOLM89abDqJ iYwbrT9yr.k1chOqYUrSpdxXPhH4yaGO4O0_g8F.Kz6ryIu6c3WfaxmBJh2. 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Online references about the TR250 are somewhat contradictory/vague, sometimes saying that the 250 was for the US market, other times stating it was the North American market. What's the word? Thanks, Tim ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Dec 26 16:27:26 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C338040557 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:27:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from hp89.hostpapa.com (hp89.hostpapa.com [76.74.242.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB5F40441 for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:25:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [184.64.38.189] (port=54114 helo=[192.168.0.15]) by hp89.hostpapa.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1To0Jr-0035UV-2I; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:23:27 -0500 References: <1356563886.70654.YahooMailNeo@web163501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> From: Dave More Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:23:28 -0700 To: Timothy Holbrook with any abuse report acl_c_relayhosts_text_entry: tr6@lbcs.ca|lbcs.ca Cc: 6Pack List <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [6pack] Canada - TR5 or TR250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Canada, like the US, received the TR250. No TR5's were sold as new in North America. Cheers, Dave On 2012-12-26, at 4:18 PM, Timothy Holbrook wrote: > Hey all, > > Trying to figure out a piece of Triumph trivia with my Dad...did the > Canadian market get the TR5, or the TR250? Online references about the TR250 > are somewhat contradictory/vague, sometimes saying that the 250 was for the US > market, other times stating it was the North American market. What's the > word? > > Thanks, > Tim > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6@lbcs.ca ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net From 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Dec 27 07:54:15 2012 Return-Path: <6pack-bounces@autox.team.net> Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF494226F for ; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:54:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: 6pack@autox.team.net Received: from nm32-vm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm32-vm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BEF40E9B for <6pack@autox.team.net>; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:54:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm32.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 14:52:05 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.101] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 14:52:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2012 14:52:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 34006 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Dec 2012 14:51:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1356619894; bh=GjvTv154B6YQiJ5wEzNlIDQcadL7RfApDw487YXEMwc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DwqP6/Tjx/D2mrIdIFDT5zvqAa1Mv9tN8S58zaiuM3BhXnnuCLhtfj1kNTEc+i+m51H4NEJTJ0ou4oT3LvU5G0VwkNtcPkl6ensuc4pG+B2qJSlejRlmvzZr5rDuWYMUo3Qbm7pO2aALyLmzM6F/i+FvAwDeQfMgfmjHkW9sRNg= s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ustk3mDzJCLbJ4L0J6Q8dxckmwUKm7CJvR60FkJ0Hggd78vNyouFZD/Ti7UdYwh/I4dyRoJuHPyq1NltcBXpolEclBDOHmfIUlaiXHggmy4aBub9MnDwDMOOteAKYlmQP1GgAb27dekRmLy0qTGu4w5EvLo6+J1LJjAXdP5Ik/c=; I48CTALXUFMAQfrM3U9a82f5wm5WTJZxLy.dezbluadWKCEZo4_PxVnqLsWx CwkTm54uEURR9phIpZzeOeYA350RPD6QrbyqXHiWPW6TMQDOkTsDE4nmJohE Audih_xOCLSXqSzJCUqrIXATXwu0RI7FIiMEGNTWfq1r.Dt5D1_w9J2VP.xZ fwLBd0Gpb7RJ4_TOrLftDIqmPgj2IVU.wYAn2bEIY3FbMGnCtjFqJoqldCJE x8nbvDkd8F061zNW1ujqQh96y5A.hurhPpy5d99_QOZgfZRlQcVu5wzaYzXH hw03EwiVxDNtZNuFKB5Ivd7EuLuZBI9LE5y8qqKziFDmCJ3t5lFL41k5llBN uDnkHYzmMlKgfBl4DW5VhmTGjjtfyBTF6RqZe.Geo6X80C3T9rPDWNyIGfos vU0Len9XMWQ2ZBUAPCEGbM69MuWHyPIaEDdkObz2yCQVDMIIA0kLIgPcFceo DqtBWwSsEDaLUse1z7HTeYal0eDvuWewYYJXwIiMgFwKoXbLPd2FaLyEb8sJ Nckw1hKFIp40kDf3bShI5YdwGO2tLrBGm9U0Z1MpO.V54 Received: from [219.116.1.115] by web184703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:51:34 PST aHR0cDovL2tlbGVwY2UubmV0L3dwLWNvbnRlbnQvdGhlbWVzL3R3ZW50eWVsZXZlbi9pbWFnZXMvcGVyZmVjdHdheS5waHABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 06:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: Butch Oliver To: bandemac1@bellsouth.net, soccermom92@comcast.net, butch@benradcliff.com, Bandemac1@cs.com, 6pack@autox.team.net, doug@benradcliff.com, brandimac1@bellsouth.net, lucasdistributors@yahoo.com, robert.brunke@ngc.com Subject: [6pack] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: 6pack-bounces@autox.team.net http://kelepce.net/wp-content/themes/twentyeleven/images/perfectway.php ________________________________________ 6pack@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/mharc@autox.team.net