Subject: Re: [6pack] .75 bore clutch?

From: alan salvatore via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 17:16:26 -0400

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Worn out slave cylinder causes clutch release problems.
Worn clutch fork also.  Not the master cylinder being .70.
I would stick with the.70 mc. Unless you like a heavy clutch.

Al
On May 13, 2015 4:06 PM, "Btp44--- via 6pack" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> The reduction of the master cyl. bore dia. was to reduce pedal effort.
Which it did, but also reduces the stroke of the slave cyl, which can cause
clutch release problems if there is wear in the pivot points of the linkage=
.
> Berry
>
> In a message dated 5/13/2015 12:52:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[email-masked] writes:
>>
>> Thanks Jim.
>> I guess the brake master cylinder was the one I heard I really need to
buy new. Good to know you clutch cylinder has been fine. I wonder if the
brakes would hold up as well with the new fluid.
>>
>>
>> =E2=80=94Sent from my Atari 2600=E2=80=94
>>
>> On May 13, 2015, at 12:43 PM, "Jim Jones" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>> For what it's worth, I went straight from DOT 3 to silicone. I replaced
the master cylinder because it was old, but I kept the slave. Flushed it
all out with silicone fluid and never had a problem in the following three
years I owned the car. I would stay with the .70 clutch. There was a reason
it was changed, but for the life of me I cannot remember. My '72 had the
.75 bore part. The effort seemed okay but I didn't care much for the long
throw.
>>>
>>> Jim Jones
>>> (573) 635-3557
>>> Jones Beltone Hearing and Audiology
>>> 1431 Southwest Blvd. Suite 1
>>> Jefferson City, MO 65109
>>> www.jonesbeltone.com
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: James_ via 6pack <[email-masked]>
>>> To: 6 Pack <[email-masked]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 2:37 PM
>>> Subject: [6pack] .75 bore clutch?
>>>
>>> I am planning on switching my brake fluid to silicone based. Which
means I can't use my master or clutch cylinders and need to buy new ones.
(Heard the seals will go bad when switching fluid types).
>>> I have a 1976 model that uses a .70 bore clutch slave but see there is
a .75 bore. Is it better? How does it change the clutch pedal feeling?
Maybe a longer pedal throw?
>>> Advice?
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Worn out slave cylinder causes clutch release problems.<br>
Worn clutch fork also.=C2=A0 Not the master cylinder being .70.<br>
I would stick with the.70 mc. Unless you like a heavy clutch.<br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Al<br>
On May 13, 2015 4:06 PM, &quot;Btp44--- via 6pack&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The reduction of the master cyl. bore dia. was to reduce pedal effort.=
 Which it did, but also reduces the stroke of the slave cyl, which can caus=
e clutch release problems if there is wear in the pivot points of the linka=
ge.<br>
&gt; Berry<br>
&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt; In a message dated 5/13/2015 12:52:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"> [email-masked]</a> writes:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks Jim.=C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt; I guess the brake master cylinder was the one I heard I really nee=
d to buy new. Good to know you clutch cylinder has been fine. I wonder if t=
he brakes would hold up as well with the new fluid.=C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; =E2=80=94Sent from my Atari 2600=E2=80=94<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On May 13, 2015, at 12:43 PM, &quot;Jim Jones&quot; &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; For what it&#39;s worth, I went straight from DOT 3 to silicon=
e. I replaced the master cylinder because it was old, but I kept the slave.=
 Flushed it all out with silicone fluid and never had a problem in the foll=
owing three years I owned the car. I would stay with the .70 clutch. There =
was a reason it was changed, but for the life of me I cannot remember. My &=
#39;72 had the .75 bore part. The effort seemed okay but I didn&#39;t care =
much for the long throw.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jim Jones <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href=3D"tel:%28573%29%20635-3557"> (573) 635-3557</a> <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jones Beltone Hearing and Audiology <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; 1431 Southwest Blvd. Suite 1 <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Jefferson City, MO 65109 <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<a href=3D"http://www.jonesbeltone.com"> www.jonesbeltone.com</=
a> <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
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&gt;&gt;&gt; Subject: [6pack] .75 bore clutch?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I am planning on switching my brake fluid to silicone based. W=
hich means I can&#39;t use my master or clutch cylinders and need to buy ne=
w ones. (Heard the seals will go bad when switching fluid types). <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I have a 1976 model that uses a .70 bore clutch slave but see =
there is a .75 bore. Is it better? How does it change the clutch pedal feel=
ing? Maybe a longer pedal throw?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Advice?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; James<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
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Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 21:13:09 -0500

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I switched to the later smaller bore MC on my TR250, I like the feel =
better, the old was stiff and very abrupt, still sporty, but much =
smoother now.  Agree that both will work fine from a clutch release =
range of motion standpoint if all is well with the linkage and =
hydraulics.

Greg Lemon

From: alan salvatore via 6pack=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 4:16 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Cc: [email-masked] ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [6pack] .75 bore clutch?

Al
On May 13, 2015 4:06 PM, "Btp44--- via 6pack" <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>
> The reduction of the master cyl. bore dia. was to reduce pedal effort. =
Which it did, but also reduces the stroke of the slave cyl, which can =
cause clutch release problems if there is wear in the pivot points of =
the linkage.
> Berry
> =20
> In a message dated 5/13/2015 12:52:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
>>
>> Thanks Jim.=20
>> I guess the brake master cylinder was the one I heard I really need =
to buy new. Good to know you clutch cylinder has been fine. I wonder if =
the brakes would hold up as well with the new fluid.=20
>>> For what it's worth, I went straight from DOT 3 to silicone. I =
replaced the master cylinder because it was old, but I kept the slave. =
Flushed it all out with silicone fluid and never had a problem in the =
following three years I owned the car. I would stay with the .70 clutch. =
There was a reason it was changed, but for the life of me I cannot =
remember. My '72 had the .75 bore part. The effort seemed okay but I =
didn't care much for the long throw.
>>> =20
>>> Jim Jones=20
>>> (573) 635-3557=20
>>> Jones Beltone Hearing and Audiology=20
>>> 1431 Southwest Blvd. Suite 1=20
>>> Jefferson City, MO 65109=20
>>> www.jonesbeltone.com=20
>>>
>>> To: 6 Pack <[email-masked]>=20
>>> I am planning on switching my brake fluid to silicone based. Which =
means I can't use my master or clutch cylinders and need to buy new =
ones. (Heard the seals will go bad when switching fluid types).=20
>>> I have a 1976 model that uses a .70 bore clutch slave but see there =
is a .75 bore. Is it better? How does it change the clutch pedal =
feeling? Maybe a longer pedal throw?
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<P dir=3Dltr>Worn out slave cylinder causes clutch release =
problems.<BR>Worn=20
clutch fork also.&nbsp; Not the master cylinder being .70.<BR>I would =
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the.70 mc. Unless you like a heavy clutch.<BR></P>
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wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; The reduction of the master cyl. bore dia. was to =
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