Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...

From: Dale via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 21:22:12 +0000 (UTC)

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James
The man is correct that it is best to raise the body=C2=A0 to weld the repa=
ir panels, but it can be done one at a time with the body still on the fram=
e. Use the new floor pan as a guide to cut out the old panel. Make sure the=
 new panel fits. Have a welder that will travel to your location and tack i=
t in. It does not need to be fully welded at one time. Do each panel this w=
ay that needs to be replaced. One thing, do bolt a bar to the A an B post s=
o the door alignment is not lost.
Once all the panels are in place the body can be raise a couple feet off th=
e frame to do any needed welding from underneath. If you get a really good =
welder he may be able to get deep penetration from the top and fore go the =
need to raise the body. There are welders that work for structural companie=
s that travel all the time check your local listings.=C2=A0
For safety, remove the gas tank and put it outside or someplace away from t=
he car.

If you are a member of the 6 pack club check out some of the basket cases o=
thers have brought back on there own.=20

There is always more than one way to thread a needle. Don't lose hope.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Dale

      From: James_ via 6pack <[email-masked]>
 To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:42 PM
 Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
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>Hi all=E2=80=A6
First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=
=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to=
 people with deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake, but still is pro=
bably the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in=
ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur=
e if anyone is interested)
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair=
ed and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money=
. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for =
a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars =
will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture about =
that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can=
=C2=A0find a car=C2=A0that=C2=A0comes close to showroom condition!!!
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=
=A6.what else=E2=80=A6
=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live=
 with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the=
 dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6merc=
y=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring mysel=
f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awf=
ul and =C2=A0I know the history of THIS car.
Or:another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the area=
s repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really goo=
d welding job=C2=A0but not nearly as intense of a procedure=C2=A0or expensi=
ve. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=C2=A0
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor=
e they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only ha=
lf kidding=E2=80=A6.)

Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of swit=
ching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about w=
arranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty i=
s that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I =
put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the=
 parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone fa=
lls the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0I suspect all t=
his is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad=
 hates.=C2=A0
I was recently curious why=C2=A0auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silic=
one as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=
=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
Well, any advice or words of comfort?
James
1976 TR6=C2=A0
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nt-size:14px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11805">James</div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11801"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
433882995504_11781">The man is correct that it is best to raise the body&nb=
sp; to weld the repair panels, but it can be done one at a time with the bo=
dy still on the frame. Use the new floor pan as a guide to cut out the old =
panel. Make sure the new panel fits. Have a welder that will travel to your=
 location and tack it in. It does not need to be fully welded at one time. =
Do each panel this way that needs to be replaced. One thing, do bolt a bar =
to the A an B post so the door alignment is not lost.</div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1433882995504_11780"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299550=
4_11779">Once all the panels are in place the body can be raise a couple fe=
et off the frame to do any needed welding from underneath. If you get a rea=
lly good welder he may be able to get deep penetration from the top and for=
e go the need to raise the body. There are welders that work for structural=
 companies that travel all the time check your local listings.&nbsp;</div><=
div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12112"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1433882995504_12113">For safety, remove the gas tank and put it outside =
or someplace away from the car.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995=
504_11958"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12024">If you ar=
e a member of the 6 pack club check out some of the basket cases others hav=
e brought back on there own. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299550=
4_12025"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12053" dir=3D"ltr"=
>There is always more than one way to thread a needle. Don't lose hope.&nbs=
p;&nbsp; Dale</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12114" dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_12125" dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
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[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span><=
/b> "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:42 PM<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan =
replacement and Rust repair quote...<br> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1433882995504_11406" class=3D"y_msg_container"><br original_target=3D"=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11405"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388=
2995504_11404" dir=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11777">Hi =
all=E2=80=A6</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11429"><br></div><d=
iv id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11428">First=E2=80=A6.<span id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1433882995504_11776" style=3D"font-size:12pt;">I am so depressed - =
I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 y=
ears of my entire adult life.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299=
5504_11775"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11418">I just m=
et and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=
=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people =
with deep pockets.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11403">So tha=
t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have =
work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388299=
5504_11774"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11773">First: I=
 was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11772">First overwhelming thought=
=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_1=
1771"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11784">Second: I have=
 a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse =
is under the master cylinder and rust has</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433=
882995504_11770">eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects t=
he pedal box too.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11409">(I can =
send a picture if anyone is interested)</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143388=
2995504_11823"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11876">So th=
e guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired an=
d powder coated.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433882995504_11769">Sounds a=
wesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest=
 of the year.</div><div>Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not =
sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost m=
ore than a car is worth.</div><div>I know that. Don't lecture about that. B=
ut...<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any =
means. And for $20K I can&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">find =
a car</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">&nbsp;that&nbsp;</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt;">comes close to showroom condition!!!</span></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / =
sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=A6I=
 am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the =
rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.</div><div><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;">or:</span></div><div>Sell the dang thing and walk awa=
y. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=
=A6make it stop" stage.</div><div>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a T=
R6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and &nbsp=
;<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">I know the history of THIS car.</span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><br></span></div><div><div>Or:</div>=
<div>another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the ar=
eas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really g=
ood welding job&nbsp;</div><div>but not nearly as intense of a procedure&nb=
sp;<font size=3D"3">or expensive. I know</font>=E2=80=A6<font size=3D"3">yo=
u get what you pay for.&nbsp;</font></div></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br><=
/font></div><div>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detai=
l it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and =
engine bay painted.</div><div>At this point, I may as well sell off all the=
 PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And ev=
erything is removed!</div><div>(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)</div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.</div><div>this guy i=
s DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean,=
 DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.</div=
><div>I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like the=
re is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warr=
anty department!</div><div>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy fro=
m Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.</=
div><div>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.&nbsp;</div><div>I suspect=
 all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what h=
is dad hates.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I was recently curious why&nbs=
p;<font size=3D"3">auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much a=
s the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments</font>=E2=80=
=A6<font size=3D"3">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div><br=
></div><div>Well, any advice or words of comfort?</div><div><br></div><div>=
James</div><div><br></div><div>1976 TR6&nbsp;</div><div><br></div> =09=09 =
=09   =09=09  </div></div>
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From: James_ via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 14:46:13 -0700

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From: im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 22:04:51 +0000

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James=2CMy .02 on the floors and could be taken as advice on the whole job.=
 My brother's 73 needed new floors as the first project when he got it. He =
ordered new pans from TRF and I "thought" it sounded like something I could=
 do=2C obviously not. So I took it to a local "country" body shop that had =
painted mine years before. Kinda of a crappy place but did good work. He se=
emed to understand what I wanted done=2C but made his own decision on how t=
o do it. Picked up the car=2C floors nice and seam sealed and everything lo=
oked good=2C from the top. First time I was under it I saw what he had done=
. He cut my new floors to make 'whole car' replacement panels and welded th=
em in where he had cut out the old ones. Now this wasn't a LBC guy=2C and h=
e did what he intended to do just fine. Car is fine=2C solid=2C everything =
is great=2C except I know it wasn't really done right.=20
Moral to my story: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on LBCs=2C it=
 probably would have snowballed into something like you're facing. But in t=
he long run=2C his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got the re=
st of the interior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles and miles. =
Does it win any shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and does he enjoy=
 talking to other LBC guys at the shows - YES. Does he enjoy driving it and=
 the looks it gets as he passes by - YES.=20
My goal: hold down the total cost of ownership as much as possible and enjo=
y driving the piss out of my car.=20
Sloane :o)

To: [email-masked]
Date: Tue=2C 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000
Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
From: [email-masked]

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s and could be taken as advice on the whole job. My brother's 73 needed new=
 floors as the first project when he got it. He ordered new pans from TRF a=
nd I "thought" it sounded like something I could do=2C obviously not. So I =
took it to a local "country" body shop that had painted mine years before. =
Kinda of a crappy place but did good work. He seemed to understand what I w=
anted done=2C but made his own decision on how to do it. Picked up the car=
=2C floors nice and seam sealed and everything looked good=2C from the top.=
 First time I was under it I saw what he had done. He cut my new floors to =
make 'whole car' replacement panels and welded them in where he had cut out=
 the old ones. Now this wasn't a LBC guy=2C and he did what he intended to =
do just fine. Car is fine=2C solid=2C everything is great=2C except I know =
it wasn't really done right.&nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>Moral to my s=
tory: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on LBCs=2C it probably wou=
ld have snowballed into something like you're facing. But in the long run=
=2C his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got the rest of the i=
nterior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles and miles. Does it win=
 any shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and does he enjoy talking to=
 other LBC guys at the shows - YES. Does he enjoy driving it and the looks =
it gets as he passes by - YES.&nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>My goal: ho=
ld down the total cost of ownership as much as possible and enjoy driving t=
he piss out of my car.&nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div><div>Sloane :o)</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">To: 6pack@auto=
x.team.net<br>Date: Tue=2C 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000<br>Subject: [6pack] Fl=
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From: alan salvatore via 6pack <[email-masked]>
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If the outer edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut and patch in a
new floor pan.
If not then tub off.
If inner rocker is bad, tub off.
Depends on where the bad area is.
I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and
the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took
the body off.
I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner
fender.
I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last
15 years.
Al
On Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi all=E2=80=A6
>
> First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk
> away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult li=
fe.
>
> I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin
> Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and acc=
ustom to people
> with deep pockets.
> So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach
> to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
>
> First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to
> replace.
> First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.
>
> Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and
> welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
> eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box to=
o.
> (I can send a picture if anyone is interested)
>
> So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels
> repaired and powder coated.
> Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money an=
d
> the rest of the year.
> Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car
> that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is
> worth.
> I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust
> bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to
> showroom condition!!!
>
> I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=
=80=A6.what
> else=E2=80=A6
>
> =E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and li=
ve with
> the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
> or:
> Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that
> "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.
> - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's=
 the
> point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I know the history of THIS car.
>
> Or:
> another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas=
 repaired
> and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding
> job
> but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=E2=80=A6you=
 get
> what you pay for.
>
> This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and
> everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay
> painted.
> At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor=
e
> they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
> (only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)
>
>
> Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.
> this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake
> fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided i=
f
> I use it.
> I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there i=
s
> a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty
> department!
> He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=
=A6.They
> void it if the silicone falls the parts.
> Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.
> I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just
> follows what his dad hates.
>
> I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone
> as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=
=E2=80=A6is
> Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
>
> 1976 TR6
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<p dir=3D"ltr">If the outer edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut=
 and patch in a new floor pan.<br>
If not then tub off.<br>
If inner rocker is bad, tub off.<br>
Depends on where the bad area is.<br>
I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and =
the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took=
 the body off.<br>
I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner f=
ender.<br>
I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last=
 15 years.<br>
Al</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, &quot;James_ via 6pack&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi all=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>First=
=E2=80=A6.<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">I am so depressed - I may sell the=
 TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my ent=
ire adult life.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I just met and got a quote =
from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey&#39;s=E2=80=A6and I gather=
 he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pocke=
ts.</div><div>So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the be=
st approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the fram=
e to replace.</div><div>First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car?=
 ugh.</div><div><br></div><div>Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that =
need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder a=
nd rust has</div><div>eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affe=
cts the pedal box too.</div><div>(I can send a picture if anyone is interes=
ted)</div><div><br></div><div>So the guy was really wanting the body remove=
d, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.</div><div>Sounds awesom=
e. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of t=
he year.</div><div>Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure =
I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more t=
han a car is worth.</div><div>I know that. Don&#39;t lecture about that. Bu=
t...<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">my rust is not a &#39;rust bucket&#39; b=
y any means. And for $20K I can=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=
find a car</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">=C2=A0that=C2=A0</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12pt">comes close to showroom condition!!!</span></div=
><div><br></div><div>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed=
 / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=
=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with =
the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.</div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size:12pt">or:</span></div><div>Sell the dang thing and walk =
away. Maybe I finally reached that &quot;mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no mor=
e=E2=80=A6make it stop&quot; stage.</div><div>- I doubt I could bring mysel=
f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what&#39;s the point. Mine isn&#39;t =
THAT awful and =C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:12pt">I know the history of T=
HIS car.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><=
div><div>Or:</div><div>another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought)=
 is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone th=
at does a really good welding job=C2=A0</div><div>but not nearly as intense=
 of a procedure=C2=A0<font size=3D"3">or expensive. I know</font>=E2=80=A6<=
font size=3D"3">you get what you pay for.=C2=A0</font></div></div><div><fon=
t size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div>This winter: I removed everything from t=
he engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the r=
ust was fixed and engine bay painted.</div><div>At this point, I may as wel=
l sell off all the PARTS - they&#39;d be worth more they the car as a whole=
 at this point. And everything is removed!</div><div>(only half kidding=E2=
=80=A6.)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oh, one more thing=E2=80=
=A6.</div><div>this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Sili=
cone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being=
 voided if I use it.</div><div>I looked at him and said: &quot;What Warrant=
y is that?&quot; &quot;It isn&#39;t like there is a dealership I can go to&=
quot; &quot;I buy parts, I put them on.&quot; I am the warranty department!=
</div><div>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmm=
mm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.</div><div>Really?=
 Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0</div><div>I suspect all this is bec=
ause his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I was recently curious why=C2=A0<font size=3D"=
3">auto stores don&#39;t seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other =
types. So now with this restoration guy&#39;s comments</font>=E2=80=A6<font=
 size=3D"3">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div><br></div><=
div>Well, any advice or words of comfort?</div><div><br></div><div>James</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>1976 TR6=C2=A0</div><div><br></div> 		 	   		  </div=
></div>
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From: CHRIS via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 00:02:22 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi James,=20

I'm in the same boat needing to replace my drivers side floorpan. I started=
 investigating as well and at first was pretty discouraged by the cost and =
recommended approach of pulling the body off. I spent some more time resear=
ching and made a few calls and found other opinions and options. Granted my=
 car is not perfect nor will it every be and I don't plan to show it. I wan=
t it safe and drive able.=20

What I found is you can replace the floorpan with the body on, some people =
even just replace the front half of the floorpan or just patch it and other=
s use products like POR-15. Depends on the final result you are looking for=
 and what you consider acceptable. I am going the route of replacing the wh=
ole floorpan and have stripped everything down so I can see where the previ=
ous welds are for when I cut it. I found some good posts and pictures on th=
e process.=20

I've done some welding in the past so I may tackle that myself or just hire=
 a professional. The quotes so far are few hundred dollars assuming I have =
all the prep done and everything ready to. They are mobile welders and basi=
cally just show up and do the welding and some basic adjustments. Can speak=
 for the quality of work at this point but from what I understand for a sea=
soned welder this is not a tough job as long as the fit is good. I attached=
 a forum post below I found useful.=20

By the way pulling the body off and sand blasting does sound awesome and ul=
timately would be fantastic if I had more time and money.=20

Chris=20

http://www.triumphexp.com/phorum/read.php?6,868323=20

----- Original Message -----

From: "James_ via 6pack" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "James_" <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: [email-masked]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 2:46:13 PM=20
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...=20

One thought I have is to locate a good inner well arch for drivers side or =
at least the flat triangle section to cut out and use that to replace my ba=
d corner. It is the worse of the rust=20

The. The floor pan issue. They are shot!=20

If I could get it all fixed for say under $4k I'd be happy.=20
Well,=20
I have two other places to call.=20

If I sold the car I know I would not be able to buy a different one. Probab=
ly just flat out done with classic cars. I'll probably need therapy over th=
e=20
Mere sight of classic cars now! Hah.=20

=E2=80=94Sent from my Atari 2600=E2=80=94=20

On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" < [email-masked] > wro=
te:=20

Hi all=E2=80=A6=20

First=E2=80=A6. I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=
=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.=20

I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to=
 people with deep pockets.=20
So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to=
 have work done 100% thorough and correct.=20

First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.=20
First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.=20

Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has=20
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.=
=20
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)=20

So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair=
ed and powder coated.=20
Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and =
the rest of the year.=20
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that=
 much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.=
=20
I know that. Don't lecture about that. But... my rust is not a 'rust bucket=
' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom =
condition!!!=20

I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=
=A6.what else=E2=80=A6=20

=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live=
 with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.=20
or:=20
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=
=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.=20
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's t=
he point. Mine isn't THAT awful and I know the history of THIS car.=20

Or:=20
another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas r=
epaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good w=
elding job=20
but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know =E2=80=A6 you=
 get what you pay for.=20

This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.=20
At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more =
they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!=20
(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)=20

Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.=20
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake flui=
d. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I us=
e it.=20
I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is =
a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty d=
epartment!=20
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6=
.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.=20
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20
I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follo=
ws what his dad hates.=20

I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a=
s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments =E2=
=80=A6 is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?=20

Well, any advice or words of comfort?=20

James=20

1976 TR6=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Hi James,</div><div aria-label=3D"Comp=
ose body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">I'm in the same boat n=
eeding to replace my drivers side floorpan. &nbsp;I started investigating a=
s well and at first was pretty discouraged by the cost and recommended appr=
oach of pulling the body off. I spent some more time researching and made a=
 few calls and found other opinions and options. &nbsp;Granted my car is no=
t perfect nor will it every be and I don't plan to show it. &nbsp;I want it=
 safe and drive able.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div =
aria-label=3D"Compose body">What I found is you can replace the floorpan wi=
th the body on, some people even just replace the front half of the floorpa=
n or just patch it and others use products like POR-15. Depends on the fina=
l result you are looking for and what you consider acceptable. I am going t=
he route of replacing the whole floorpan and have stripped everything down =
so I can see where the previous welds are for when I cut it. I found some g=
ood posts and pictures on the process.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body=
"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">I've done some welding in the =
past so I may tackle that myself or just hire a professional. &nbsp;The quo=
tes so far are few hundred dollars assuming I have all the prep done and ev=
erything ready to. They are mobile welders and basically just show up and d=
o the welding and some basic adjustments. Can speak for the quality of work=
 at this point but from what I understand for a seasoned welder this is not=
 a tough job as long as the fit is good. &nbsp;I attached a forum post belo=
w I found useful.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria=
-label=3D"Compose body">By the way pulling the body off and sand blasting d=
oes sound awesome and ultimately would be fantastic if I had more time and =
money.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"C=
ompose body">Chris</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div ari=
a-label=3D"Compose body"><a href=3D"http://www.triumphexp.com/phorum/read.p=
hp?6,868323">http://www.triumphexp.com/phorum/read.php?6,868323</a></div><d=
iv aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><=
br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weig=
ht:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Aria=
l,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: n=
ormal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Ar=
ial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b>From: </b>"James_ via 6pack" &lt;6pack=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"James_" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b=
>Cc: </b>[email-masked]<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, June 9, 2015 2:46:13=
 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quo=
te...<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>One thought I have is to locate=
 a good inner well arch for drivers side or at least the flat triangle sect=
ion to cut out and use that to replace my bad corner. It is the worse of th=
e rust</div><div><br></div><div>The. The floor pan issue. They are shot!</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>If I could get it all fixed for say under $4k I'd be=
 happy.&nbsp;</div><div>Well,</div><div>I have two other places to call.&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>If I sold the car I know I would not be able t=
o buy a different one. Probably just flat out done with classic cars. I'll =
probably need therapy over the</div><div>Mere sight of classic cars now! Ha=
h.&nbsp;</div><div><br><div><br></div>=E2=80=94Sent from my Atari 2600=E2=
=80=94</div><div><br>On Jun 9, 2015, at 1:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><div><br><=
/div></div><blockquote><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi all=E2=80=A6</div><div=
><br></div><div>First=E2=80=A6.<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-st=
yle=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk aw=
ay=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.<=
/span></div><div><br></div><div>I just met and got a quote from a guy that =
generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high e=
nd work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pockets.</div><div>So tha=
t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have =
work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div><br></div><div>First: I was =
told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</div><=
div>First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricat=
ed and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has</div><di=
v>eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box to=
o.</div><div>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)</div><div><br><=
/div><div>So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, pan=
els repaired and powder coated.</div><div>Sounds awesome. But it all gets d=
own to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.</div><div>R=
oughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that =
much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.<=
/div><div>I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...<span style=3D"font-=
size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">my rust is not a 'rust buc=
ket' by any means. And for $20K I can&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:=
 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">find a car</span><span style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;that&nbsp;</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">com=
es close to showroom condition!!!</span></div><div><br></div><div>I guess I=
 am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what e=
lse=E2=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to=
 do. One option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car b=
ack to gather and drive it.</div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data=
-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">or:</span></div><div>Sell the dang thing an=
d walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no m=
ore=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.</div><div>- I doubt I could bring myself t=
o buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful =
and &nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12p=
t;">I know the history of THIS car.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><div>O=
r:</div><div>another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to hav=
e the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a =
really good welding job&nbsp;</div><div>but not nearly as intense of a proc=
edure&nbsp;<span size=3D"3" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: medium;" style=3D"=
font-size: medium;">or expensive. I know</span>=E2=80=A6<span size=3D"3" da=
ta-mce-style=3D"font-size: medium;" style=3D"font-size: medium;">you get wh=
at you pay for.&nbsp;</span></div></div><div><span size=3D"3" data-mce-styl=
e=3D"font-size: medium;" style=3D"font-size: medium;"><br></span></div><div=
>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and eve=
rything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay paint=
ed.</div><div>At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd =
be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is remo=
ved!</div><div>(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)</div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.</div><div>this guy is DEAD set again=
st my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set agains=
t and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.</div><div>I looked a=
t him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealersh=
ip I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!=
</div><div>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmm=
mm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.</div><div>Really?=
 Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.&nbsp;</div><div>I suspect all this is bec=
ause his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.&nb=
sp;</div><div><br></div><div>I was recently curious why&nbsp;<span size=3D"=
3" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: medium;" style=3D"font-size: medium;">auto =
stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So no=
w with this restoration guy's comments</span>=E2=80=A6<span size=3D"3" data=
-mce-style=3D"font-size: medium;" style=3D"font-size: medium;">is Silicone =
THAT bad/poorly rated?</span></div><div><br></div><div>Well, any advice or =
words of comfort?</div><div><br></div><div>James</div><div><br></div><div>1=
976 TR6&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote><div=
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I couldn't agree with Sloane's comments more.  Some people say there is =
one way to do it and that is the right way, I just do not agree with =
that.  The depending on how bad, the floors could be patched or replace =
as described below, as long as the welds are done well the car will be =
structurally fine, and when you are driving down the road, or looking at =
it from above or in the cockpit you will never know the difference.  If =
you want to pay the guy 20 grand to replace the floors and make the car =
like new more power to you, but there are many ways to fix and enjoy a =
car.  Reading what you wrote it makes me sad that the situation would =
end your hobby car ownership, there are options as others have =
explained.

Oh yes, if you do one of the more "quick and dirty" repairs, the resale =
will be a little less, but on the other hand, as you already noted, you =
won't get back anywhere near the 20K quote on the cost of repair.

Greg Lemon
TR250

From: im sloane via 6pack=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:04 PM
To: James_ ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...

James,=20
My .02 on the floors and could be taken as advice on the whole job. My =
brother's 73 needed new floors as the first project when he got it. He =
ordered new pans from TRF and I "thought" it sounded like something I =
could do, obviously not. So I took it to a local "country" body shop =
that had painted mine years before. Kinda of a crappy place but did good =
work. He seemed to understand what I wanted done, but made his own =
decision on how to do it. Picked up the car, floors nice and seam sealed =
and everything looked good, from the top. First time I was under it I =
saw what he had done. He cut my new floors to make 'whole car' =
replacement panels and welded them in where he had cut out the old ones. =
Now this wasn't a LBC guy, and he did what he intended to do just fine. =
Car is fine, solid, everything is great, except I know it wasn't really =
done right.=20

Moral to my story: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on LBCs, =
it probably would have snowballed into something like you're facing. But =
in the long run, his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got =
the rest of the interior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles =
and miles. Does it win any shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and =
does he enjoy talking to other LBC guys at the shows - YES. Does he =
enjoy driving it and the looks it gets as he passes by - YES.=20

My goal: hold down the total cost of ownership as much as possible and =
enjoy driving the piss out of my car.=20

Sloane :o)

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Hi all=85

First=85

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<DIV>I couldn't agree with Sloane's comments more.&nbsp; Some people say =
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you, but=20
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it=20
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<DIV>Oh yes, if you do one of the more "quick and dirty" repairs, the =
resale=20
will be a little less, but on the other hand, as you already noted, you =
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">im sloane via 6pack</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 9, 2015 5:04 PM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>James,=20
<DIV>My .02 on the floors and could be taken as advice on the whole job. =
My=20
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ordered=20
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obviously not. So I took it to a local "country" body shop that had =
painted mine=20
years before. Kinda of a crappy place but did good work. He seemed to =
understand=20
what I wanted done, but made his own decision on how to do it. Picked up =
the=20
car, floors nice and seam sealed and everything looked good, from the =
top. First=20
time I was under it I saw what he had done. He cut my new floors to make =
'whole=20
car' replacement panels and welded them in where he had cut out the old =
ones.=20
Now this wasn't a LBC guy, and he did what he intended to do just fine. =
Car is=20
fine, solid, everything is great, except I know it wasn't really done=20
right.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Moral to my story: Had I been at a shop that knew how to work on =
LBCs, it=20
probably would have snowballed into something like you're facing. But in =
the=20
long run, his car was back on the road pretty quick (once I got the rest =
of the=20
interior back together) and he's enjoyed it for miles and miles. Does it =
win any=20
shows - NO. Does it get positive comments and does he enjoy talking to =
other LBC=20
guys at the shows - YES. Does he enjoy driving it and the looks it gets =
as he=20
passes by - YES.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>My goal: hold down the total cost of ownership as much as possible =
and=20
enjoy driving the piss out of my car.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sloane :o)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>First=85</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Thank you James for posing an interesting conundrum, and one that =
probably more than a few of us have gone through=85 or will.  I can=92t =
answer your question, but that doesn=92t mean I won=92t chip in.  So, =
I=92ll relay a short story in hopes it might help you.  A dozen or so =
years ago I bought a TR6.  It wasn=92t perfect, nor was it represented =
to be, but as I began to explore things, I noticed that there were some =
issues that weren=92t quite to my liking.  On the rare occasion I drove =
my car and I hit nature=92s wet stuff falling from the sky (yes I=92m =
guilty of driving my car) I noticed that the driver=92s side carpet was =
frequently wet.  One day I decided to figure out what the exact cause of =
the leakage was.  In an LBC, leakage is a common occurrence, so it could =
be coming from a variety of place.  My first though was a couple of =
holes in the firewall where the rubber grommets were worn out.  Maybe, =
but not really.  Soon thereafter I was cleaning some gunk off of the =
driver=92s side floorpan with a large screwdriver when it went a bit =
further than I thought it could=85 straight into the area of the inner =
fender.  I soon discovered an amoeba shaped hole in the floorpan.  I =
became upset and depressed.  Then I decided that I really liked driving =
my car and a little fiberglass could remedy the situation until I did my =
frame-off restoration. =20

Then there is the recognition that our cars are for our enjoyment, and =
that=92s worth something.  So, if you are willing to have some quality =
work done and a fair price and the end result would be a car you could =
continue to enjoy for a long time to come, then you might consider going =
ahead and doing it. In the grand scheme of things, it wouldn=92t be that =
big of a price to pay. =20

In other words, who says you can=92t buy happiness, especially when it =
comes with a deep throaty roar.

Ashford Little
[email-masked]

> On Jun 9, 2015, at 4:42 PM, James_ via 6pack <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi all=85
>=20
> First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk =
away=85.seriously=85even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
>=20
> I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin =
Healey's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to =
people with deep pockets.
> So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best =
approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
>=20
> First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame =
to replace.
> First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.
>=20
> Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and =
> eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box =
too.
> So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels =
> Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money =
and the rest of the year.
> Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car =
that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is =
worth.
> I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust =
bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to =
showroom condition!!!
>=20
> I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / =
hmmmm=85.what else=85
>=20
> =85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live =
with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
> or:
> Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that =
"mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it stop" stage.
> - I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's =
the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I know the history of THIS car.
>=20
> Or:
> another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas =
repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really =
good welding job=20
> but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you =
get what you pay for.=20
>=20
> This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and =
everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay =
painted.
> At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth =
more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
> (only half kidding=85.)
>=20
>=20
> Oh, one more thing=85.
> this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake =
fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided =
if I use it.
> I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like =
there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am =
the warranty department!
> He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. =
hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.
> I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just =
follows what his dad hates.=20
>=20
> I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 =
Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's =
comments=85is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Thank you James for posing an interesting conundrum, and one =
that probably more than a few of us have gone through=85 or will. =
&nbsp;I can=92t answer your question, but that doesn=92t mean I won=92t =
chip in. &nbsp;So, I=92ll relay a short story in hopes it might help =
you. &nbsp;A dozen or so years ago I bought a TR6. &nbsp;It wasn=92t =
perfect, nor was it represented to be, but as I began to explore things, =
I noticed that there were some issues that weren=92t quite to my liking. =
&nbsp;On the rare occasion I drove my car and I hit nature=92s wet stuff =
falling from the sky (yes I=92m guilty of driving my car) I noticed that =
the driver=92s side carpet was frequently wet. &nbsp;One day I decided =
to figure out what the exact cause of the leakage was. &nbsp;In an LBC, =
leakage is a common occurrence, so it could be coming from a variety of =
place. &nbsp;My first though was a couple of holes in the firewall where =
the rubber grommets were worn out. &nbsp;Maybe, but not really. =
&nbsp;Soon thereafter I was cleaning some gunk off of the driver=92s =
side floorpan with a large screwdriver when it went a bit further than I =
thought it could=85 straight into the area of the inner fender. &nbsp;I =
soon discovered an amoeba shaped hole in the floorpan. &nbsp;I became =
upset and depressed. &nbsp;Then I decided that I really liked driving my =
car and a little fiberglass could remedy the situation until I did my =
frame-off restoration. &nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Then there is the recognition that our cars are for our =
enjoyment, and that=92s worth something. &nbsp;So, if you are willing to =
have some quality work done and a fair price and the end result would be =
a car you could continue to enjoy for a long time to come, then you =
might consider going ahead and doing it. In the grand scheme of things, =
it wouldn=92t be that big of a price to pay. &nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">In other words, who says =
you can=92t buy happiness, especially when it comes with a deep throaty =
roar.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
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all=85</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">First=85.<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I am so =
depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=85even after =
22 years of my entire adult life.</span></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I just met and got a quote from a guy =
that generally works on Austin Healey's=85and I gather he does very high =
end work=85.and accustom to people with deep pockets.</div><div =
class=3D"">So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the =
best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">First: I was told floor =
pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</div><div =
class=3D"">First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Second: I have a few bad =
spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under =
the master cylinder and rust has</div><div class=3D"">eaten through the =
inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.</div><div =
class=3D"">(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So the guy was really =
wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder =
coated.</div><div class=3D"">Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to =
time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.</div><div =
class=3D"">Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I =
love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more =
than a car is worth.</div><div class=3D"">I know that. Don't lecture =
about that. But...<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">my rust is =
not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">find a car</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">&nbsp;that&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">comes close to showroom =
condition!!!</span></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad =
/ hmmmm=85.what else=85</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">=85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it =
and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive =
it.</div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">or:</span></div><div class=3D"">Sell the dang thing and walk =
away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it =
stop" stage.</div><div class=3D"">- I doubt I could bring myself to buy =
a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and =
&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">I know the history of =
THIS car.</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Or:</div><div class=3D"">another option=85.(my original =
desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards =
installed by someone that does a really good welding job&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"">but not nearly as intense of a procedure&nbsp;<font size=3D"3" =
class=3D"">or expensive. I know</font>=85<font size=3D"3" class=3D"">you =
get what you pay for.&nbsp;</font></div></div><div class=3D""><font =
size=3D"3" class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div><div class=3D"">This =
winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and =
everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay =
painted.</div><div class=3D"">At this point, I may as well sell off all =
the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. =
And everything is removed!</div><div class=3D"">(only half =
kidding=85.)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Oh, one more thing=85.</div><div =
class=3D"">this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to =
Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about =
warranty being voided if I use it.</div><div class=3D"">I looked at him =
and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership =
I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty =
department!</div><div class=3D"">He mentioned the warranty of the parts =
I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls the =
parts.</div><div class=3D"">Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake =
fluid.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">I suspect all this is because his DAD =
is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad =
hates.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
was recently curious why&nbsp;<font size=3D"3" class=3D"">auto stores =
don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now =
with this restoration guy's comments</font>=85<font size=3D"3" =
class=3D"">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Well, any advice or =
words of comfort?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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From: Jim Jones via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:25:23 +0000 (UTC)

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James:
These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's hard to make a case for =
the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pushing. Objectively speak=
ing, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that I would walk away from =
him - no run!

I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain sight =
when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel beneath th=
e battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was solid. I had to m=
ake a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the other work I did on th=
e car it was NOT an item that ever caused me concern. Frankly, if I was fac=
ed with doing that same repair I probably would have done the same thing.
What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise happy =
with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that ma=
kes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by future o=
wners.
PS - Silicone fluid is just fantastic!=C2=A0
Jim Jones

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23991"><span id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24298">James:</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
33943627347_23990"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143394362=
7347_23982" dir=3D"ltr">These are not particularly rare cars (yet) so it's =
hard to make a case for the kind of repair this British car "artiste" is pu=
shing. Objectively speaking, this guy is so stubbornly set in his ways that=
 I would walk away from him - no run!<span><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23=
981">I had a moment of truth like that with my car. It was there in plain s=
ight when I drove 700 miles to buy it - fiberglass patch on the panel benea=
th the battery. It was not exactly pristine correct but it was solid. I had=
 to make a decision then, but I did buy it. After all the other work I did =
on the car it was NOT an item that ever caused me concern. Frankly, if I wa=
s faced with doing that same repair I probably would have done the same thi=
ng.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><s=
pan><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"lt=
r">What I'm saying here is that if you enjoy your car and are otherwise hap=
py with it, save yourself some money and have it fixed in whatever way that=
 makes sense. Like paint and modifications, repairs can be re-done by futur=
e owners.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23982" dir=3D"ltr">PS - Silico=
ne fluid is just fantastic!</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_2398=
2" dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23938"=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_23937">Jim Jones
<br><br></div></div><br>  <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helveti=
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e: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24277"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24276"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D=
"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24289"> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght:bold;">From:</span></b> James_ via 6pack &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<b=
r> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "[email-masked]=
et" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;"=
>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 9, 2015 3:42 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust re=
pair quote...<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24281"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1433943627347_24280"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24286">Hi =
all=E2=80=A6</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24285"><br></div><d=
iv id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24284">First=E2=80=A6.<span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24283">I am so depressed - =
I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 y=
ears of my entire adult life.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143394362=
7347_24279"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24491">I just m=
et and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=E2=80=
=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to people =
with deep pockets.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24516">So tha=
t was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have =
work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143394362=
7347_24451"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24450">First: I=
 was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</=
div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24484">First overwhelming thought=
=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_2=
4490"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24485">Second: I have=
 a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and welded. The worse =
is under the master cylinder and rust has</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433=
943627347_24448">eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects t=
he pedal box too.</div><div>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)<=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24483"><br></div><div>So the guy=
 was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and pow=
der coated.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24486">Sounds awesom=
e. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of t=
he year.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24487">Roughly, looking=
 at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know re=
pairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.</div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24489">I know that. Don't lecture about that. B=
ut...<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24488=
">my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can&nbsp;</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">find a car</span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;">&nbsp;that&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">comes close=
 to showroom condition!!!</span></div><div><br></div><div>I guess I am so d=
epressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=
=80=A6</div><div><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24452">=E2=
=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live wi=
th the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.</div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24482"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">or:</=
span></div><div>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached =
that "mercy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.</div=
><div>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, wh=
at's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and &nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;">I know the history of THIS car.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
33943627347_24455"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;"><br></span></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24454"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347=
_24453">Or:</div><div>another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) =
is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone tha=
t does a really good welding job&nbsp;</div><div>but not nearly as intense =
of a procedure&nbsp;<font size=3D"3">or expensive. I know</font>=E2=80=A6<f=
ont size=3D"3">you get what you pay for.&nbsp;</font></div></div><div><font=
 size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div>This winter: I removed everything from th=
e engine to detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the ru=
st was fixed and engine bay painted.</div><div>At this point, I may as well=
 sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at t=
his point. And everything is removed!</div><div>(only half kidding=E2=80=A6=
.)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.</di=
v><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24481">this guy is DEAD set against=
 my thought of switching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against =
and talking about warranty being voided if I use it.</div><div>I looked at =
him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership=
 I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty department!</=
div><div>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=
=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.</div><div>Really? M=
oss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.&nbsp;</div><div>I suspect all this is becau=
se his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.&nbsp=
;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24480"><br></div><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24457">I was recently curious why&nbsp;<font size=
=3D"3" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24456">auto stores don't seem to ca=
rry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restoration=
 guy's comments</font>=E2=80=A6<font size=3D"3" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14339436=
27347_24458">is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1433943627347_24459"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14339436273=
47_24477">Well, any advice or words of comfort?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1433943627347_24478"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433943627347_2447=
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From: Larry Young via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 10:53:32 -0500

I did a full body off restoration of my TR250 a couple of years ago.  
The floors were solid, but there was rust in one rocker and front fender 
and all along the seams of rear fenders to deck.  Also, some poorly done 
body work in the past.  We replaced the entire rear deck with one from a 
4A and a couple of fenders.  It was also media blasted to bare metal (be 
careful with this), so there was a substantial amount of body work.  I 
did all the tear down to bare body shell on the rolling frame and did 
all the mechanical restoration and a small rust repair to the frame.  
The total cost of the body work and painting was about 10K (not counting 
the replacement panels), so your guy is not out of line.  Since I also 
replaced all the vinyl and rubber parts and rebuilt the engine, the 
total cost was more than the car is now worth (a TR6 would be worth 
less).  I do not regret it, because I bought the car new by European 
Delivery, so we have a lot of history.  You can probably get it done for 
less as one of the other posts have stated, but if I were going to that 
trouble, I would do it all right and have it good for the rest of your 
life.  If you plan to keep it that long. I can now drive the car 
anywhere and its gotten first place at the past three South Central 
Regionals.  I just got back from driving it on a 1600 mile trip to the 
regionals in Kerrville, TX.
Larry Young
Tulsa, OK
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From: James_ via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:28:19 -0700

Hi Larry. 
If I could get everything done that you had done for 10k I'd totally do it!
For JUST two areas (small areas) that need steel welded in and all flat panels he said it'd be two weeks of work at $80. Which is $6,400!
We are even at the floor pans yet. 
Which he refused to do w/o the body removed. Then he goes on to say about powder coating the engine bay and sand blasting and then goes on to fixing other rust. 

Now that I am stepping back and thinking...
I know when I lived back east, in the country there was a guy that I used for body work and paint. He does mostly restorations. He would have done an amazing job and probably charged $1,500 for the rust repair.
At the most. 
What really ticked me off was this guy said he wanted to look at the car and would be able to give a more accurate cost. But then when he got there and is telling me how long it would take him he follows up with 'well it is $80 an hour but I don't dealing with billing. My parents do that'. What?
The whole reason was to get a damn close idea of what I could expect before taking to them and having the car held hostage. 

Very annoying. 

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:58 AM, "Larry Young via 6pack" <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I did a full body off restoration of my TR250 a couple of years ago.  The floors were solid, but there was rust in one rocker and front fender and all along the seams of rear fenders to deck.  Also, some poorly done body work in the past.  We replaced the entire rear deck with one from a 4A and a couple of fenders.  It was also media blasted to bare metal (be careful with this), so there was a substantial amount of body work.  I did all the tear down to bare body shell on the rolling frame and did all the mechanical restoration and a small rust repair to the frame.  The total cost of the body work and painting was about 10K (not counting the replacement panels), so your guy is not out of line.  Since I also replaced all the vinyl and rubber parts and rebuilt the engine, the total cost was more than the car is now worth (a TR6 would be worth less).  I do not regret it, because I bought the car new by European Delivery, so we have a lot of history.  You can probably get it done for less as one of the other posts have stated, but if I were going to that trouble, I would do it all right and have it good for the rest of your life.  If you plan to keep it that long. I can now drive the car anywhere and its gotten first place at the past three South Central Regionals.  I just got back from driving it on a 1600 mile trip to the regionals in Kerrville, TX.
> Larry Young
> Tulsa, OK
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From: dave n via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:52:35 -0500

I think "the car held hostage" pretty much sums it up.  remember:  don't 
negotiate with terrorists!

-----Original Message----- 
From: James_ via 6pack
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:28 AM
To: Larry Young
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...

Hi Larry.
If I could get everything done that you had done for 10k I'd totally do it!
For JUST two areas (small areas) that need steel welded in and all flat 
panels he said it'd be two weeks of work at $80. Which is $6,400!
We are even at the floor pans yet.
Which he refused to do w/o the body removed. Then he goes on to say about 
powder coating the engine bay and sand blasting and then goes on to fixing 
other rust.

Now that I am stepping back and thinking...
I know when I lived back east, in the country there was a guy that I used 
for body work and paint. He does mostly restorations. He would have done an 
amazing job and probably charged $1,500 for the rust repair.
At the most.
What really ticked me off was this guy said he wanted to look at the car and 
would be able to give a more accurate cost. But then when he got there and 
is telling me how long it would take him he follows up with 'well it is $80 
an hour but I don't dealing with billing. My parents do that'. What?
The whole reason was to get a damn close idea of what I could expect before 
taking to them and having the car held hostage.

Very annoying.

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