Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...

From: James_ via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 20:42:08 +0000

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Hi all=85
First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=
=85even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to people with=
 deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake=2C but still is probably the =
best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in=
ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur=
e if anyone is interested)
So the guy was really wanting the body removed=2C sand blasted=2C panels re=
paired and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and m=
oney. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly=2C looking at $10-20K=
. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old=
 cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture =
about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K=
 I can find a car that comes close to showroom condition!!!
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=85.wha=
t else=85
=85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with =
the rotten areas=2C put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the dan=
g thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85mercy=85no mor=
e=85make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=
=85.I mean=2C what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I know the histo=
ry of THIS car.
Or:another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repa=
ired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good weld=
ing job but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you=
 get what you pay for.=20
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.At this point=2C I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth m=
ore they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only =
half kidding=85.)

Oh=2C one more thing=85.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switchin=
g to Silicone brake fluid. I mean=2C DEAD set against and talking about war=
ranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is =
that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts=2C I =
put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the=
 parts I buy from Moss=2C etc. hmmmm=85.They void it if the silicone falls =
the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid. I suspect all this is be=
cause his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.=20
I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a=
s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=85is=
 Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
Well=2C any advice or words of comfort?
James
1976 TR6=20
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'><div>Hi all=85</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>First=85.<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B">I am so depressed - I m=
ay sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=85even after 22 years of my enti=
re adult life.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I just met and got a quote f=
rom a guy that generally works on Austin Healey's=85and I gather he does ve=
ry high end work=85.and accustom to people with deep pockets.</div><div>So =
that was probably my mistake=2C but still is probably the best approach to =
have work done 100% thorough and correct.</div><div><br></div><div>First: I=
 was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</=
div><div>First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricate=
d and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has</div><div=
>eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too=
.</div><div>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)</div><div><br></=
div><div>So the guy was really wanting the body removed=2C sand blasted=2C =
panels repaired and powder coated.</div><div>Sounds awesome. But it all get=
s down to time and money. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.</div><di=
v>Roughly=2C looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car =
that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is wo=
rth.</div><div>I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...<span style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt=3B">my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $2=
0K I can&nbsp=3B</span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B">find a car</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B">&nbsp=3Bthat&nbsp=3B</span><span style=
=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B">comes close to showroom condition!!!</span></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / =
sad / hmmmm=85.what else=85</div><div><br></div><div>=85I am at a loss as t=
o what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas=2C pu=
t the car back to gather and drive it.</div><div><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt=3B">or:</span></div><div>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I fi=
nally reached that "mercy=85mercy=85no more=85make it stop" stage.</div><di=
v>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean=2C what's the=
 point. Mine isn't THAT awful and &nbsp=3B<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt=3B=
">I know the history of THIS car.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12pt=3B"><br></span></div><div><div>Or:</div><div>another option=85.(my o=
riginal desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and new floor boards =
installed by someone that does a really good welding job&nbsp=3B</div><div>=
but not nearly as intense of a procedure&nbsp=3B<font size=3D"3">or expensi=
ve. I know</font>=85<font size=3D"3">you get what you pay for.&nbsp=3B</fon=
t></div></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div>This winter: I re=
moved everything from the engine to detail it out and everything is ready t=
o go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painted.</div><div>At t=
his point=2C I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more th=
ey the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!</div><div>(=
only half kidding=85.)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Oh=2C one mo=
re thing=85.</div><div>this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching=
 to Silicone brake fluid. I mean=2C DEAD set against and talking about warr=
anty being voided if I use it.</div><div>I looked at him and said: "What Wa=
rranty is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy p=
arts=2C I put them on." I am the warranty department!</div><div>He mentione=
d the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss=2C etc. hmmmm=85.They void it i=
f the silicone falls the parts.</div><div>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake=
 fluid.&nbsp=3B</div><div>I suspect all this is because his DAD is against =
Silicone and he just follows what his dad hates.&nbsp=3B</div><div><br></di=
v><div>I was recently curious why&nbsp=3B<font size=3D"3">auto stores don't=
 seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this =
restoration guy's comments</font>=85<font size=3D"3">is Silicone THAT bad/p=
oorly rated?</font></div><div><br></div><div>Well=2C any advice or words of=
 comfort?</div><div><br></div><div>James</div><div><br></div><div>1976 TR6&=
nbsp=3B</div><div><br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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From: Mark Hooper via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 17:34:00 -0400

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Sorry to hear of the quote shock. You could always try the simple "scrape i=
t down and then coat with POR" method. Before that, a bit of braising could=
 cover many sins. It would definitely help in the floorpan area. Actually I=
 was always under the impression that the replacements were designed to be =
welded "in situ" as it were. I've certainly seen it done enough. Perfection=
, maybe not, but perfection is awfully expensive.
=20
As to the Silicone question: Lord I do tire of the fright-mongers. Silicone=
 works. Period. After this much time, one would think this question had bee=
n resolved, if only by the continued survival of the people who have conver=
ted.=20
=20
I asked a couple of list gurus like Randall and then decided to give it a g=
o. I was so sick of getting my paint ruined by the seemingly unavoidable TR=
 drips.
I did the bare minimum of work to switch over. I just drained as much of th=
e old fluid as I could, by unbolting the calipers and turning them over to =
drain. I pumped a bottle of Dot5 through to clean the lines and then just t=
ightened the valves. I think I bled the system a little once or twice in th=
e next couple of days to get a little air out and that was it.=20
=20
I haven't seen a wrinkle in the paint or had a joint freeze up on the brake=
 lines in the 10 years since I changed. Brakes are nice and stiff, clutch i=
s very good. It seems to me that the brake MC and clutch MC seals last long=
er with the smoother feel of the silicone fluid.=20
=20
Anyway, one of the best changes I ever made to the car. Just my opinion, an=
d you know what they say about those...
=20
Cheers,
=20
Mark Hooper
1972 TR6

From: 6pack [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of James_ via 6=
pack
Sent: June-09-15 4:42 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
=20
Hi all=85
=20
First=85.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=85.seriously=
=85even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
=20
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=85and I gather he does very high end work=85.and accustom to people with=
 deep pockets.
So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to=
 have work done 100% thorough and correct.
=20
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.
First overwhelming thought=85body of the car? ugh.
=20
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has
eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.
(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)
=20
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair=
ed and powder coated.
Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money and =
the rest of the year.
Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that=
 much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.
I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket'=
 by any means. And for $20K I can find a car that comes close to showroom c=
ondition!!!
=20
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=85.wha=
t else=85
=20
=85I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live with =
the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.
or:
Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=85me=
rcy=85no more=85make it stop" stage.
- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=85.I mean, what's the poi=
nt. Mine isn't THAT awful and  I know the history of THIS car.
=20
Or:
another option=85.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repaire=
d and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding=
 job=20
but not nearly as intense of a procedure or expensive. I know=85you get wha=
t you pay for.=20
=20
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.
At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth more =
they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!
(only half kidding=85.)
=20
=20
Oh, one more thing=85.
this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to Silicone brake flui=
d. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty being voided if I us=
e it.
I looked at him and said: "What Warranty is that?" "It isn't like there is =
a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I put them on." I am the warranty d=
epartment!
He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=85.They =
void it if the silicone falls the parts.
Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=20
I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follo=
ws what his dad hates.=20
=20
I was recently curious why auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone a=
s much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=85is=
 Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
=20
Well, any advice or words of comfort?
=20
James
=20
1976 TR6=20
 
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sorry to hear of the quote shock. You
could always try the simple &quot;scrape it down and then coat with POR&quo=
t;
method. Before that, a bit of braising could cover many sins. It would
definitely help in the floorpan area. Actually I was always under the
impression that the replacements were designed to be welded &quot;in situ&q=
uot;
as it were. I've certainly seen it done enough. Perfection, maybe not, but
perfection is awfully expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As to the Silicone question: Lord I do=
 tire
of the fright-mongers. Silicone works. Period. After this much time, one wo=
uld
think this question had been resolved, if only by the continued survival of=
 the
people who have converted. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I asked a couple of list gurus like
Randall and then decided to give it a go. I was so sick of getting my paint
ruined by the seemingly unavoidable TR drips.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I did the bare minimum of work to swit=
ch
over. I just drained as much of the old fluid as I could, by unbolting the
calipers and turning them over to drain. I pumped a bottle of Dot5 through =
to
clean the lines and then just tightened the valves. I think I bled the syst=
em a
little once or twice in the next couple of days to get a little air out and
that was it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I haven't seen a wrinkle in the paint =
or
had a joint freeze up on the brake lines in the 10 years since I changed. B=
rakes
are nice and stiff, clutch is very good. It seems to me that the brake MC a=
nd
clutch MC seals last longer with the smoother feel of the silicone fluid. <=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, one of the best changes I ever
made to the car. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about those...=
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Mark Hooper<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1972 TR6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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mily:Tahoma'>
6pack [mailto:[email-masked]] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:b=
old'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>James_ via 6pack<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> June-09-15 4:42 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"=
on">[email-masked]</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [6pack] Floorpan
replacement and Rust repair quote...</span></font><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p><=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First&#8230;.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 an=
d
walk away&#8230;.seriously&#8230;even after 22 years of my entire adult lif=
e.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally w=
orks
on Austin Healey's&#8230;and I gather he does very high end work&#8230;.and
accustom to people with deep pockets.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>So that was probably my mistake, but still is probably=
 the
best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First: I was told floor pans require the car body to b=
e
off the frame to replace.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>First overwhelming thought&#8230;body of the car? ugh.=
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panel=
s
fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust has<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affec=
ts
the pedal box too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>(I can send a picture if anyone is interested)<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand
blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money=
. a <st1:place
w:st=3D"on">LOT</st1:place> of money and the rest of the year.<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. yikes. Not sur=
e I
love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALWAYS cost more tha=
n a
car is worth.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I know that. Don't lecture about that. But...my rust i=
s
not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can&nbsp;find a
car&nbsp;that&nbsp;comes close to showroom condition!!!<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed=
 /
sad / hmmmm&#8230;.what else&#8230;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>&#8230;I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Sa=
y
screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and dri=
ve
it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>or:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally rea=
ched
that &quot;mercy&#8230;mercy&#8230;no more&#8230;make it stop&quot; stage.<=
o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>- I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again&#823=
0;.I
mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awful and &nbsp;I know the history =
of
THIS car.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Or:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>another option&#8230;.(my original desire/thought) is =
to
have the areas repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does=
 a
really good welding job&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>but not nearly as intense of a procedure&nbsp;or
expensive. I know&#8230;you get what you pay for.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>

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</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to
detail it out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed=
 and
engine bay painted.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS -
they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everything =
is
removed!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>(only half kidding&#8230;.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Oh, one more thing&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p=

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching t=
o
Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty b=
eing
voided if I use it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I looked at him and said: &quot;What Warranty is
that?&quot; &quot;It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to&quot; &qu=
ot;I
buy parts, I put them on.&quot; I am the warranty department!<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>He mentioned the warranty of the parts I buy from Moss=
,
etc. hmmmm&#8230;.They void it if the silicone falls the parts.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silic=
one
and he just follows what his dad hates.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>I was recently curious why&nbsp;auto stores don't seem=
 to
carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with this restorati=
on
guy's comments&#8230;is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?<o:p></o:p></span></=
font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Well, any advice or words of comfort?<o:p></o:p></span=
></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>James<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>1976 TR6&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DCalibri><span style=3D'font-size=
:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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I will not comment on the rust... but I have been running silicon for over =
20 years and had no issues. when i first switched over i completely rebuilt=
 everything including new stainless brake lines. I am also running silicon =
in the clutch. Did have to replace the master cylinder about 5 years back, =
but I see no difference at all and had no unusual problems. I even used to =
autocross a couple of times a year.
Robert=C2=A074TR6
      From: alan salvatore via 6pack <[email-masked]>
 To: James_ <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: [email-masked]=20
 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 6:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...
  =20
If the outer edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut and patch in a=
 new floor pan.
If not then tub off.
If inner rocker is bad, tub off.
Depends on where the bad area is.
I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and =
the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took=
 the body off.
I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner f=
ender.
I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last=
 15 years.
AlOn Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hi all=E2=80=A6
First=E2=80=A6.I am so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=
=A6.seriously=E2=80=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.
I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally works on Austin Healey=
's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=80=A6.and accustom to=
 people with deep pockets.So that was probably my mistake, but still is pro=
bably the best approach to have work done 100% thorough and correct.
First: I was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to re=
place.First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.
Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that need panels fabricated and weld=
ed. The worse is under the master cylinder and rust haseaten through the in=
ner and outer wheel arch. It affects the pedal box too.(I can send a pictur=
e if anyone is interested)
So the guy was really wanting the body removed, sand blasted, panels repair=
ed and powder coated.Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money=
. a LOT of money and the rest of the year.Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for =
a TR6. yikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars =
will ALWAYS cost more than a car is worth.I know that. Don't lecture about =
that. But...my rust is not a 'rust bucket' by any means. And for $20K I can=
=C2=A0find a car=C2=A0that=C2=A0comes close to showroom condition!!!
I guess I am so depressed / disappointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=
=A6.what else=E2=80=A6
=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One option: Say screw it and live=
 with the rotten areas, put the car back to gather and drive it.or:Sell the=
 dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "mercy=E2=80=A6merc=
y=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.- I doubt I could bring mysel=
f to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the point. Mine isn't THAT awf=
ul and =C2=A0I know the history of THIS car.
Or:another option=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the area=
s repaired and new floor boards installed by someone that does a really goo=
d welding job=C2=A0but not nearly as intense of a procedure=C2=A0or expensi=
ve. I know=E2=80=A6you get what you pay for.=C2=A0
This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it out and ever=
ything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engine bay painte=
d.At this point, I may as well sell off all the PARTS - they'd be worth mor=
e they the car as a whole at this point. And everything is removed!(only ha=
lf kidding=E2=80=A6.)

Oh, one more thing=E2=80=A6.this guy is DEAD set against my thought of swit=
ching to Silicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about w=
arranty being voided if I use it.I looked at him and said: "What Warranty i=
s that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I =
put them on." I am the warranty department!He mentioned the warranty of the=
 parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the silicone fa=
lls the parts.Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake fluid.=C2=A0I suspect all t=
his is because his DAD is against Silicone and he just follows what his dad=
 hates.=C2=A0
I was recently curious why=C2=A0auto stores don't seem to carry DOT 5 Silic=
one as much as the other types. So now with this restoration guy's comments=
=E2=80=A6is Silicone THAT bad/poorly rated?
Well, any advice or words of comfort?
James
1976 TR6=C2=A0
=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39542" dir=3D"ltr"><spa=
n id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39541">I will not comment on the rust...=
 but I have been running silicon for over 20 years and had no issues. when =
i first switched over i completely rebuilt everything including new stainle=
ss brake lines. I am also running silicon in the clutch. Did have to replac=
e the master cylinder about 5 years back, but I see no difference at all an=
d had no unusual problems. I even used to autocross a couple of times a yea=
r.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39542" dir=3D"ltr"><sp=
an><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39542" dir=3D"ltr=
"><span>Robert&nbsp;</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_3954=
2" dir=3D"ltr"><span>74TR6</span></div><br>  <div style=3D"font-family: Hel=
veticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39622"> <div style=3D"font=
-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sa=
ns-serif; font-size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39621"> <div d=
ir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39620"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39624">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39623"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:<=
/span></b> alan salvatore via 6pack &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> James_ &lt;[email-masked]=
m&gt; <br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 6pack@autox.=
team.net <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesda=
y, June 9, 2015 6:40 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:<=
/span></b> Re: [6pack] Floorpan replacement and Rust repair quote...<br> </=
font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143389440127=
7_39652"><br><div id=3D"yiv1389098489"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143389440127=
7_39651"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39650">If the ou=
ter edges of the floor pan is good then you can cut and patch in a new floo=
r pan.<br clear=3D"none">
If not then tub off.<br clear=3D"none">
If inner rocker is bad, tub off.<br clear=3D"none">
Depends on where the bad area is.<br clear=3D"none">
I am doing one now that had a small area but it ran under the firewall and =
the frame was also in the way. Plus I wanted to blast the frame, so we took=
 the body off.<br clear=3D"none">
I can see 10K with paint for floors, battery box, would have to see inner f=
ender.<br clear=3D"none">
I have been putting silicone in every TR6 that crosses my path for the last=
 15 years.<br clear=3D"none">
Al</div>
<div class=3D"yiv1389098489gmail_quote" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39=
653">On Jun 9, 2015 4:55 PM, "James_ via 6pack" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv1389098489gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1433894401277_39657">

<div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv1389098489yqt38=
70643566" id=3D"yiv1389098489yqt46978"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143389440127=
7_39656"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39655"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1433894401277_39654">Hi all=E2=80=A6</div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1433894401277_39658"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1433894401277_39659">First=E2=80=A6.<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">I am=
 so depressed - I may sell the TR6 and walk away=E2=80=A6.seriously=E2=80=
=A6even after 22 years of my entire adult life.</span></div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>I just met and got a quote from a guy that generally w=
orks on Austin Healey's=E2=80=A6and I gather he does very high end work=E2=
=80=A6.and accustom to people with deep pockets.</div><div>So that was prob=
ably my mistake, but still is probably the best approach to have work done =
100% thorough and correct.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>First: I=
 was told floor pans require the car body to be off the frame to replace.</=
div><div>First overwhelming thought=E2=80=A6body of the car? ugh.</div><div=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Second: I have a few bad spots of rust that =
need panels fabricated and welded. The worse is under the master cylinder a=
nd rust has</div><div>eaten through the inner and outer wheel arch. It affe=
cts the pedal box too.</div><div>(I can send a picture if anyone is interes=
ted)</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>So the guy was really wanting =
the body removed, sand blasted, panels repaired and powder coated.</div><di=
v>Sounds awesome. But it all gets down to time and money. a LOT of money an=
d the rest of the year.</div><div>Roughly, looking at $10-20K. for a TR6. y=
ikes. Not sure I love the car that much. I know repairing old cars will ALW=
AYS cost more than a car is worth.</div><div>I know that. Don't lecture abo=
ut that. But...<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">my rust is not a 'rust bucke=
t' by any means. And for $20K I can&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;">find a car</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">&nbsp;that&nbsp;</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">comes close to showroom condition!!!</spa=
n></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I guess I am so depressed / disa=
ppointed / overwhelmed / sad / hmmmm=E2=80=A6.what else=E2=80=A6</div><div>=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div>=E2=80=A6I am at a loss as to what to do. One=
 option: Say screw it and live with the rotten areas, put the car back to g=
ather and drive it.</div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">or:</span></d=
iv><div>Sell the dang thing and walk away. Maybe I finally reached that "me=
rcy=E2=80=A6mercy=E2=80=A6no more=E2=80=A6make it stop" stage.</div><div>- =
I doubt I could bring myself to buy a TR6 again=E2=80=A6.I mean, what's the=
 point. Mine isn't THAT awful and &nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">I k=
now the history of THIS car.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;"><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div><div>Or:</div><div>another option=
=E2=80=A6.(my original desire/thought) is to have the areas repaired and ne=
w floor boards installed by someone that does a really good welding job&nbs=
p;</div><div>but not nearly as intense of a procedure&nbsp;<font size=3D"3"=
>or expensive. I know</font>=E2=80=A6<font size=3D"3">you get what you pay =
for.&nbsp;</font></div></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br clear=3D"none"></fon=
t></div><div>This winter: I removed everything from the engine to detail it=
 out and everything is ready to go back in once the rust was fixed and engi=
ne bay painted.</div><div>At this point, I may as well sell off all the PAR=
TS - they'd be worth more they the car as a whole at this point. And everyt=
hing is removed!</div><div>(only half kidding=E2=80=A6.)</div><div><br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Oh, one more thing=E2=
=80=A6.</div><div>this guy is DEAD set against my thought of switching to S=
ilicone brake fluid. I mean, DEAD set against and talking about warranty be=
ing voided if I use it.</div><div>I looked at him and said: "What Warranty =
is that?" "It isn't like there is a dealership I can go to" "I buy parts, I=
 put them on." I am the warranty department!</div><div>He mentioned the war=
ranty of the parts I buy from Moss, etc. hmmmm=E2=80=A6.They void it if the=
 silicone falls the parts.</div><div>Really? Moss SELLS Silicone brake flui=
d.&nbsp;</div><div>I suspect all this is because his DAD is against Silicon=
e and he just follows what his dad hates.&nbsp;</div><div><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div>I was recently curious why&nbsp;<font size=3D"3">auto stores d=
on't seem to carry DOT 5 Silicone as much as the other types. So now with t=
his restoration guy's comments</font>=E2=80=A6<font size=3D"3">is Silicone =
THAT bad/poorly rated?</font></div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Well,=
 any advice or words of comfort?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Ja=
mes</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>1976 TR6&nbsp;</div><div><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div> =09=09 =09   =09=09  </div></div></div>
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