Subject: Re: [6pack] Transmission or clutch issues

From: brian--- via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 17:19:55 -0500

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It certainly sounds like the clutch not fully disengaging for a possible =
number of reasons. The symptom may not appear when cold as the =
transmission oil is =E2=80=9Cthick=E2=80=9D enough to resist the first =
motion (input) shaft=E2=80=99s rotation.  When things warm up as the =
transmission oil =E2=80=9Cthins out=E2=80=9D and can no longer resist =
this rotation. Unfortunately I can=E2=80=99t help with a specific cause. =
What is the size of your slave cylinder? Some are have a large dia. than =
others I believe.

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Brian

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From: 6pack [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Dale =
Katzfey via 6pack
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 4:23 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [6pack] Transmission or clutch issues

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Here is my problem which I need some guidance.  When I start in the =
morning everything works fine.  I can put the car in reverse without any =
problems.  I can up or down shift easily.  As things warm up, it gets =
harder and harder to shift gears.  It is almost like the clutch is not =
going far enough especially into first or second.  Even when I double =
clutch it.  When I try to put it in reverse, it grinds.   I can get it =
into reverse but it does not want to go there.  If I turn off the engine =
and start up with the clutch depressed, it will work without grinding.

I made sure I had the DOT 5 fluid up to full.  I got an adjustable link =
connector between the slave and clutch and have lengthened that out =
quite a bit without success.  Transmission oil was low, so I filled =
that.=20

What do you think?  My regular mechanic thinks it is the clutch, but why =
does it work when cold?  HELP!

Dale
1974 TR6

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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t certainly sounds like the clutch not fully disengaging for a possible =
number of reasons. The symptom may not appear when cold as the =
transmission oil is =E2=80=9Cthick=E2=80=9D enough to resist the first =
motion (input) shaft=E2=80=99s rotation. =C2=A0When things warm up as =
the transmission oil =E2=80=9Cthins out=E2=80=9D and can no longer =
resist this rotation. Unfortunately I can=E2=80=99t help with a specific =
cause. What is the size of your slave cylinder? Some are have a large =
dia. than others I believe.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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</b>Dale Katzfey via 6pack<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Here is my =
problem which I need some guidance.&nbsp; When I start in the morning =
everything works fine.&nbsp; I can put the car in reverse without any =
problems.&nbsp; I can up or down shift easily.&nbsp; As things warm up, =
it gets harder and harder to shift gears.&nbsp; It is almost like the =
clutch is not going far enough especially into first or second.&nbsp; =
Even when I double clutch it.&nbsp; When I try to put it in reverse, it =
grinds. &nbsp;<i> </i>I can get it into reverse but it does not want to =
go there.&nbsp; If I turn off the engine and start up with the clutch =
depressed, it will work without grinding.<br><br>I made sure I had the =
DOT 5 fluid up to full.&nbsp; I got an adjustable link connector between =
the slave and clutch and have lengthened that out quite a bit without =
success.&nbsp; Transmission oil was low, so I filled that. <br><br>What =
do you think?&nbsp; My regular mechanic thinks it is the clutch, but why =
does it work when cold?&nbsp; HELP!<br><br>Dale<br>1974 =
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Have you replaced the pilot bushing lately by chance?  If not, then the =
broken taper pin seems to be a typical issue.  I was lucky, I got to =
experience both.=20

Ashford Little
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> On Oct 20, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Dale Katzfey via 6pack =
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link connector between the slave and clutch and have lengthened that out =
quite a bit without success.  Transmission oil was low, so I filled =
that.=20
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> What do you think?  My regular mechanic thinks it is the clutch, but =
why does it work when cold?  HELP!
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class=3D"">On Oct 20, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Dale Katzfey via 6pack &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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    Here is my problem which I need some guidance.&nbsp; When I start in =
the
    morning everything works fine.&nbsp; I can put the car in reverse =
without
    any problems.&nbsp; I can up or down shift easily.&nbsp; As things =
warm up, it
    gets harder and harder to shift gears.&nbsp; It is almost like the =
clutch
    is not going far enough especially into first or second.&nbsp; Even =
when
    I double clutch it.&nbsp; When I try to put it in reverse, it =
grinds. &nbsp;<i class=3D"">
    </i>I can get it into reverse but it does not want to go =
there.&nbsp; If
    I turn off the engine and start up with the clutch depressed, it
    will work without grinding.<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    I made sure I had the DOT 5 fluid up to full.&nbsp; I got an =
adjustable
    link connector between the slave and clutch and have lengthened that
    out quite a bit without success.&nbsp; Transmission oil was low, so =
I
    filled that. <br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    What do you think?&nbsp; My regular mechanic thinks it is the =
clutch, but
    why does it work when cold?&nbsp; HELP!<br class=3D"">
    <br class=3D"">
    Dale<br class=3D"">
    1974 TR6<br class=3D"">
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This is a issue all long term, or new to you TR owners face if it hasn't be=
en addressed. It can be everything/anything from broken pin in TO bearing s=
haft, to elongated holes in clutch master cylinder , and or slave cylinder =
rods

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Ashford Little via 6pack <[email-masked]> wrote:

Have you replaced the pilot bushing lately by chance?  If not, then the bro=
ken taper pin seems to be a typical issue.  I was lucky, I got to experienc=
e both.

Ashford Little

On Oct 20, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Dale Katzfey via 6pack <[email-masked]<m=
ailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:

Here is my problem which I need some guidance.  When I start in the morning=
 everything works fine.  I can put the car in reverse without any problems.=
  I can up or down shift easily.  As things warm up, it gets harder and har=
der to shift gears.  It is almost like the clutch is not going far enough e=
specially into first or second.  Even when I double clutch it.  When I try =
to put it in reverse, it grinds.   I can get it into reverse but it does no=
t want to go there.  If I turn off the engine and start up with the clutch =
depressed, it will work without grinding.

I made sure I had the DOT 5 fluid up to full.  I got an adjustable link con=
nector between the slave and clutch and have lengthened that out quite a bi=
t without success.  Transmission oil was low, so I filled that.

What do you think?  My regular mechanic thinks it is the clutch, but why do=
es it work when cold?  HELP!

Dale
1974 TR6

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<div>Have you replaced the pilot bushing lately by chance? &nbsp;If not, th=
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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D"">Here is my problem which I need some gu=
idance.&nbsp; When I start in the morning everything works fine.&nbsp; I ca=
n put the car in reverse without any problems.&nbsp; I can up or down shift=
 easily.&nbsp; As things warm up, it gets harder and harder
 to shift gears.&nbsp; It is almost like the clutch is not going far enough=
 especially into first or second.&nbsp; Even when I double clutch it.&nbsp;=
 When I try to put it in reverse, it grinds. &nbsp;<i class=3D"">
</i>I can get it into reverse but it does not want to go there.&nbsp; If I =
turn off the engine and start up with the clutch depressed, it will work wi=
thout grinding.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I made sure I had the DOT 5 fluid up to full.&nbsp; I got an adjustable lin=
k connector between the slave and clutch and have lengthened that out quite=
 a bit without success.&nbsp; Transmission oil was low, so I filled that.
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
What do you think?&nbsp; My regular mechanic thinks it is the clutch, but w=
hy does it work when cold?&nbsp; HELP!<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Dale<br class=3D"">
1974 TR6<br class=3D"">
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