Subject: [6pack] Transmission oil and clutch.

From: John Summers via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 04:05:43 +0000 (UTC)

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There you are you old Six Pack!!As shared with Triumphs list: =C2=A0I thoug=
ht I had the silver bullet today. =C2=A0I had read what type transmission o=
il to use.Had a couple ideas working. =C2=A0One was go to NAPA and get the =
oil. =C2=A0I did with the nicecounterman help find a Quart of SAE 80W90 and=
 a pretty cool hand pump that would pump it upthrough the drain hole. =C2=
=A0I found a hose to which I wrapped the right amount of tape so this tubew=
ent into the hole without losing a drop. =C2=A0Generally, I got the entire =
quart in the gearbox with very littlespillage. =C2=A0I couldn't wait to fir=
e the beast up and run through the gears. =C2=A0Which I did. =C2=A0The firs=
t go=C2=A0through went like BUTTER. Then I took it out of gear eased up on =
the clutch and went back to square 1No entry into the holy 4speed. =C2=A0To=
ok a look at the clutch master and I could see dark fluid. So, I guess=C2=
=A0my next purchase will be new gaskets. =C2=A0 Do I need more fluid in the=
 transmission? =C2=A0I still can't getthe bolt out where I could see it's b=
eing topped off. =C2=A0 Hey Jacksonville guys, any hands on helpwould be gr=
eatly appreciated.. =C2=A0For example, my wife has two Dr. Appointments tom=
orrow. =C2=A0While at NAPAI picked up the Haynes Repair Manual For '98 Maxi=
ma hoping to get a breakthrough clue about the=C2=A0mysterious shut off swi=
tch.Hertz is getting rich off us. =C2=A0Anyway, I'll post this in the Six P=
ack also. =C2=A0The more the merrier.
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775836_4784">As shared with Triumphs list: &nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size: =
16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4858">I thought I had the silv=
er bullet today. &nbsp;I had read what type transmission oil to use.</span>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4859">Had a co=
uple ideas working. &nbsp;One was go to NAPA and get the oil. &nbsp;I did w=
ith the nice</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_48=
60">counterman help find a Quart of SAE 80W90 and a pretty cool hand pump t=
hat would pump it up</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_14629377=
75836_4861">through the drain hole. &nbsp;I found a hose to which I wrapped=
 the right amount of tape so this tube</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4862">went into the hole without losing a drop. &nb=
sp;Generally, I got the entire quart in the gearbox with very little</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4863">spillage. &nbsp=
;I couldn't wait to fire the beast up and run through the gears. &nbsp;Whic=
h I did. &nbsp;The first go&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1462937775836_4864">through went like BUTTER. Then I took it out of ge=
ar eased up on the clutch and went back to square 1</div><div dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4865">No entry into the holy 4speed. &=
nbsp;Took a look at the clutch master and I could see dark fluid. So, I gue=
ss&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4866">=
my next purchase will be new gaskets. &nbsp; Do I need more fluid in the tr=
ansmission? &nbsp;I still can't get</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
ym19_1_1462937775836_4867">the bolt out where I could see it's being topped=
 off. &nbsp; Hey Jacksonville guys, any hands on help</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4868">would be greatly appreciated..=
 &nbsp;For example, my wife has two Dr. Appointments tomorrow. &nbsp;While =
at NAPA</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4869">I=
 picked up the Haynes Repair Manual For '98 Maxima hoping to get a breakthr=
ough clue about the&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_146=
2937775836_4869">mysterious shut off switch.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462937775836_4870">Hertz is getting rich off us. &nbsp;Any=
way, I'll post this in the Six Pack also. &nbsp;The more the merrier.</div>=
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From: im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 12:16:34 +0000

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Hey John,

It's not the correct fix of course, but why don't you try my trick of shimm=
ing out the slave cylinder with two stacks of washers. You need about a hal=
f inch of shim, shouldn't need longer bolts but maybe. I'm telling you it w=
orked for me for years, until I had the internal fork issue fixed. As I sai=
d before (not trying to be a know-it-all) but there's no way this symptom i=
s related to the oil level. The oil doesn't get up to the clutch plate. You=
 can't get it into gear because it's spinning, not because it's low on oil.

Now, I didn't have a broken fork pin, so the shims may not help, but worth =
a try. You're going to have to get the tranny pulled to replace that fork p=
in.  I'm not certain, but I believe working once, and then back to the same=
 problem, is a big indication of the fork pin being sheared. It slips back =
around to the correct spot and works once, and then it's out of alignment a=
gain and doesn't work at all.

The biggest advice I can give you is this. Fix the Maxima! A Triumph doesn'=
t like being counted on as primary transportation. They can tell. Ever wond=
er why everybody you meet at a gas-station 'used' to have one?

good luck,

Sloane :)

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From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of John Summers via 6p=
ack <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 4:05 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [6pack] Transmission oil and clutch.

There you are you old Six Pack!!
.  Took a look at the clutch master and I could see dark fluid. So, I guess
my next purchase will be new gaskets.

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<p>Hey John,</p>
<p>It's not the correct fix of course, but why don't you try my trick of sh=
imming out the slave cylinder with two stacks of washers. You need about a =
half inch of shim, shouldn't need longer bolts but maybe. I'm telling you i=
t worked for me for years, until
 I had the internal fork issue fixed. As I said before (not trying to be a =
know-it-all) but there's no way this symptom is related to the oil level. T=
he oil doesn't get up to the clutch plate. You can't get it into gear becau=
se it's spinning, not because it's
 low on oil.&nbsp;</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Now, I didn't have a broken fork pin, so the shims may not help, but wor=
th a try. You're going to have to get the tranny pulled to replace that for=
k pin. &nbsp;I'm not certain, but I believe working once, and then back to =
the same problem, is a big indication
 of the fork pin being sheared. It slips back around to the correct spot an=
d works once, and then it's out of alignment again and doesn't work at all.=
&nbsp;</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The biggest advice I can give you is this. Fix the Maxima! A Triumph doe=
sn't like being counted on as primary transportation. They can tell. Ever w=
onder why everybody you meet at a gas-station 'used' to have one?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>good luck,</p>
<p>Sloane :)</p>
<br>
<br>
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 clutch master and I could see dark fluid. So, I guess&nbsp;<br>
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se will be new gaskets. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
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From: dave n via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 08:13:51 -0500

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fyi =E2=80=93 if a transmission is essentially out of oil, it =
won=E2=80=99t shift.  ask me how I know.

From: im sloane via 6pack=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:16 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [6pack] Fw: Transmission oil and clutch.

Hey John,

It's not the correct fix of course, but why don't you try my trick of =
shimming out the slave cylinder with two stacks of washers. You need =
about a half inch of shim, shouldn't need longer bolts but maybe. I'm =
telling you it worked for me for years, until I had the internal fork =
issue fixed. As I said before (not trying to be a know-it-all) but =
there's no way this symptom is related to the oil level. The oil doesn't =
get up to the clutch plate. You can't get it into gear because it's =
spinning, not because it's low on oil.=20

Now, I didn't have a broken fork pin, so the shims may not help, but =
worth a try. You're going to have to get the tranny pulled to replace =
that fork pin.  I'm not certain, but I believe working once, and then =
back to the same problem, is a big indication of the fork pin being =
sheared. It slips back around to the correct spot and works once, and =
then it's out of alignment again and doesn't work at all.=20

The biggest advice I can give you is this. Fix the Maxima! A Triumph =
doesn't like being counted on as primary transportation. They can tell. =
Ever wonder why everybody you meet at a gas-station 'used' to have one?

good luck,

Sloane :)

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<DIV>fyi =E2=80=93 if a transmission is essentially out of oil, it =
won=E2=80=99t shift.&nbsp;=20
ask me how I know.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">im sloane via 6pack</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 11, 2016 7:16 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [6pack] Fw: Transmission oil and =
clutch.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>Hey John,</P>
<P>It's not the correct fix of course, but why don't you try my trick of =

shimming out the slave cylinder with two stacks of washers. You need =
about a=20
half inch of shim, shouldn't need longer bolts but maybe. I'm telling =
you it=20
worked for me for years, until I had the internal fork issue fixed. As I =
said=20
before (not trying to be a know-it-all) but there's no way this symptom =
is=20
related to the oil level. The oil doesn't get up to the clutch plate. =
You can't=20
get it into gear because it's spinning, not because it's low on oil. =
</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Now, I didn't have a broken fork pin, so the shims may not help, but =
worth a=20
try. You're going to have to get the tranny pulled to replace that fork=20
pin.&nbsp; I'm not certain, but I believe working once, and then back to =
the=20
same problem, is a big indication of the fork pin being sheared. It =
slips back=20
around to the correct spot and works once, and then it's out of =
alignment again=20
and doesn't work at all. </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>The biggest advice I can give you is this. Fix the Maxima! A Triumph =
doesn't=20
like being counted on as primary transportation. They can tell. Ever =
wonder why=20
everybody you meet at a gas-station 'used' to have one?</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>good luck,</P>
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From: im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 15:09:41 +0000

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Understood - and good to know. But just curious. Will it shift OK sometimes=
, and then refuse to go into gear as this symptom sounds to be?

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From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of dave n via 6pack <6=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:13 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: Transmission oil and clutch.

fyi - if a transmission is essentially out of oil, it won't shift.  ask me =
how I know.

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Understood - and good to know. But just curious. Will it shift OK sometimes=
, and then refuse to go into gear as this symptom sounds to be?<br>
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my experience was a tr4 od tran in a tr3 (not tr3a).  it ran for a while =
(about 7 miles over several days) as the oil drained out.  I =
don=E2=80=99t remember any symptoms other than at some point, and it =
seemed sudden, it would not shift at all.  (that was about 6 months ago =
so my memory may not be exact.)     pulled the tran as everyone said it =
was the fork, and took it to a british car repair shop.  they told me =
that after filling it there was a dinner plate size puddle under it the =
next morning.  they did a great job of sealing it, and I=E2=80=99ve =
since run the car with no issues.

From: im sloane via 6pack=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:09 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [6pack] Fw: Transmission oil and clutch.

Understood - and good to know. But just curious. Will it shift OK =
sometimes, and then refuse to go into gear as this symptom sounds to be?

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<DIV>my experience was a tr4 od tran in a tr3 (not tr3a).&nbsp; it ran =
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while (about 7 miles over several days) as the oil drained out.&nbsp; I =
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remember any symptoms other than at some point, and it seemed sudden, it =
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not shift at all.&nbsp; (that was about 6 months ago so my memory may =
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exact.)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; pulled the tran as everyone said it was =
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fork, and took it to a british car repair shop.&nbsp; they told me that =
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filling it there was a dinner plate size puddle under it the next =
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they did a great job of sealing it, and I=E2=80=99ve since run the car =
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:09 AM</DIV>
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<P>&nbsp;</P>Understood - and good to know. But just curious. Will it =
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<DIV>fyi =E2=80=93 if a transmission is essentially out of oil, it =
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