Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] eBay - a sobering story

From: Bob Labuz via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 11:13:22 -0400

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Andrew

I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The car was too far away to go and 
see but the photos and representation were spot on. And the seller threw 
in many spares not listed on the original ad.

I would have liked to view the car before bidding but I wanted a project 
and this was the best available at the time. I guess I was lucky.

But since then, problems did surface with Ebay on both selling and 
buying so I stopped. I think there are too many scammers out there to do 
long distance selling and buying.

I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I buy from a retailer on-line it is 
one I trust and use only CC.

Too bad ebay is protecting this bum.

Bob

On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>
> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own 
> stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others 
> need to be careful.
>
> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been 
> looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I 
> recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being “in good 
> condition”.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller _twice_ 
> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by 
> assuring me the car was “in great condition” with “minimal rust”.  I 
> asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was 
> at a different location.
>
> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the 
> car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone 
> for a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn’t 
> make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called 
> PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before 
> seeing the car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 
> 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.
>
> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to 
> put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage 
> I doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I 
> told him I wasn’t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and 
> I wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it’s yours.
>
> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to 
> cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to 
> sue the seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do 
> without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect 
> the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had sold it to 
> someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money. Nah, he said, you take 
> it and I’ll deal with the other guy. The seller had brought a few 
> buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
>
> Bottom line – I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of 
> which is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip 
> to the scrapyard.
>
> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my 
> lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the 
> guy.  But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were 
> “Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It never 
> posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my 
> feedback as it was “pejorative and threatened the future success of 
> his business”.  As a result eBay had the right to remove it – and they 
> did.  And they will not let me leave any negative feedback.
>
> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical 
> about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I 
> guess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub………
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Andrew</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I picked up my 63 TR4 site unseen. The
      car was too far away to go and see but the photos and
      representation were spot on. And the seller threw in many spares
      not listed on the original ad.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I would have liked to view the car
      before bidding but I wanted a project and this was the best
      available at the time. I guess I was lucky.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">But since then, problems did surface
      with Ebay on both selling and buying so I stopped. I think there
      are too many scammers out there to do long distance selling and
      buying.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I no longer use ebay or paypal. If I
      buy from a retailer on-line it is one I trust and use only CC.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Too bad ebay is protecting this bum.</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bob</div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/19/18 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard
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            careful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
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            body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and
            was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I
            recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being “in
            good condition”.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the
            seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent
            of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was “in
            great condition” with “minimal rust”.  I asked for
            additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was
            at a different location.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">After I bid and won, the
            seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24
            hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a
            week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I
            couldn’t make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money
            immediately.  I called PayPal and they said I would lose any
            protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called
            eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
            vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">A week later I drove out and
            found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand
            through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I
            doubt  it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was
            bent.  I told him I wasn’t going to take the car, he had
            misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.  He told me
            tough, you paid already, it’s yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I came home and called eBay
            only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10
            years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the
            seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do
            without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to
            collect the car.  When I got there the seller told me he had
            sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me my money. 
            Nah, he said, you take it and I’ll deal with the other guy. 
            The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply
            loaded the car up and drove home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Bottom line – I salvaged one
            replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is
            fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip
            to the scrapyard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">It was my fault and I accept
            responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely wife has not
            given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I
            did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were
            “Total misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It
            never posted.  I called eBay today and was told the seller
            had appealed my feedback as it was “pejorative and
            threatened the future success of his business”.  As a result
            eBay had the right to remove it – and they did.  And they
            will not let me leave any negative feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
            Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I still love the Triumph
            community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind
            (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I
            am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub………<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Yes, and it could save one of us from the same experience.

Marty

________________________________
From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of TERRY SMITH <=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story

You're doing the right thing, Andrew.  Except publicize his name and where =
he is.  E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever bee=
n a civilian's defensive tool.

Terry

On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupid=
ity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need to be c=
areful.

Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looki=
ng for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I recently s=
aw one on eBay which was advertised as being =93in good condition=94.  It w=
as fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically a=
bout the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was =93in g=
reat condition=94 with =93minimal rust=94.  I asked for additional pics, bu=
t he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.

After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up =
within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.=
  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it.  He =
said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and they sai=
d I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I called=
 eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protecti=
on plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.

A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put =
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt =
 it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I wasn=
=92t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money=
 back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.

I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars le=
ss than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle=
r.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress =
of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I got there=
 the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I said, give me=
 my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal with the other guy.  =
The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car u=
p and drove home.

Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of whic=
h is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip to the sc=
rapyard.

It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely =
wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I di=
d leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =93Total misrepres=
entation of the car.  Buyers beware=94.  It never posted.  I called eBay to=
day and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorativ=
e and threatened the future success of his business=94.  As a result eBay h=
ad the right to remove it =96 and they did.  And they will not let me leave=
 any negative feedback.

I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about ma=
nkind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am ventin=
g, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=85=85=85

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

** [email-masked] **

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You're doing the right thing, Andrew.&nbsp; Except publicize his name and w=
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
<br>
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<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility=
 for my own stupidity.&nbsp; I screwed up.&nbsp; But the follow-up is where=
 I think others need to be careful.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage,=
 I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent =
tub.&nbsp; I recently saw one on eBay which
 was advertised as being =93in good condition=94.&nbsp; It was fairly expen=
sive, so I emailed the seller
<u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust:&nbsp; he =
replied by assuring me the car was =93in great condition=94 with =93minimal=
 rust=94.&nbsp; I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult a=
s the car was at a different location.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had t=
o pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would b=
e gone for a week.&nbsp; The car was several
 hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it.&nbsp; He said OK, but he =
wanted the money immediately.&nbsp; I called PayPal and they said I would l=
ose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.&nbsp; So I called eBay =
and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
 vehicle protection plan (VPP).&nbsp; So I paid.&nbsp; My mistake. </span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes =
big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collisi=
on damage I doubt&nbsp; it could ever be
 restored.&nbsp; Oh, and the frame was bent.&nbsp; I told him I wasn=92t go=
ing to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.&=
nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only =
applies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other tha=
n to sue the seller.&nbsp; After several
 sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and=
 so I drove back out to collect the car.&nbsp; When I got there the seller =
told me he had sold it to someone else.&nbsp; Great, I said, give me my mon=
ey.&nbsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal
 with the other guy.&nbsp; The seller had brought a few buddies over, and s=
o I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fe=
nders, one of which is fiberglass.&nbsp; The car is being collected this we=
ek for a trip to the scrapyard.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">&nbsp;
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.&nbsp;=
 Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I for=
give the guy.&nbsp; But I did leave negative feedback
 on eBay.&nbsp; The EXACT words were =93Total misrepresentation of the car.=
&nbsp; Buyers beware=94.&nbsp; It never posted.&nbsp; I called eBay today a=
nd was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorative and=
 threatened the future success of his business=94.&nbsp; As a result
 eBay had the right to remove it =96 and they did.&nbsp; And they will not =
let me leave any negative feedback.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
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From: Tom Lofgren via 6pack <[email-masked]>
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Andrew,

Since eBay won't let you leave negative feedback, can you at least let us
know his user name?  I regularly buy stuff on eBay and I would like to
avoid this guy.

Tom

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:43 PM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> stupidity.  I screwed up.  But the follow-up is where I think others need
> to be careful.
>
>
>
> recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good
> condition=E2=80=9D.  It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller *tw=
ice* and
> asked specifically about the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring =
me
> the car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal ru=
st=E2=80=9D.  I asked for
> additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a differe=
nt
> location.
>
>
>
> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car u=
p
> within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a
> week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t =
make it.
> He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately.  I called PayPal and the=
y
> said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.  So I
> called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle
> protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My mistake.
>
>
>
> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to pu=
t
> my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doub=
t
> it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I told him I
> wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wan=
ted my
> money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.
>
>
>
> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars
> less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the
> seller.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the
> stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When I
> got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great, I
> said, give me my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal =
with the
> other guy.  The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply
> loaded the car up and drove home.
>
>
>
> Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one=
 of which
> is fiberglass.  The car is being collected this week for a trip to the
> scrapyard.
>
>
>
> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovel=
y
> wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I
> did leave negative feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal
> misrepresentation of the car.  Buyers beware=E2=80=9D.  It never posted. =
 I called
> eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was
> =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the future success of his business=E2=
=80=9D.  As a
> result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.  And they =
will not
> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about
> mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am
> venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Andrew,<div><br></div><div>Since eBay won&#39;t let you le=
ave negative feedback, can you at least let us know his user name?=C2=A0 I =
regularly buy stuff on eBay and I would like to avoid this guy.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Tom</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:43 PM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"p=
urple"><div class=3D"m_-4044779028332325227WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quo=
t;">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own st=
upidity.=C2=A0 I screwed up.=C2=A0 But the follow-up is where I think other=
s need to be careful.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Having bought a TR3 with a bo=
dy which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was prepared to p=
ay good money for, a decent tub.=C2=A0 I recently saw one on eBay which was=
 advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 It was fair=
ly expensive, so I emailed the seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically a=
bout the extent of the rust:=C2=A0 he replied by assuring me the car was =
=E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D.=
=C2=A0 I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car=
 was at a different location.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">After I bid and won, =
the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24 hours as he=
 had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.=C2=A0 The car was se=
veral hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it.=C2=A0 He said =
OK, but he wanted the money immediately.=C2=A0 I called PayPal and they sai=
d I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car.=C2=A0 So I c=
alled eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle pro=
tection plan (VPP).=C2=A0 So I paid.=C2=A0 My mistake.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman=
&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quo=
t;">A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to =
put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I do=
ubt=C2=A0 it could ever be restored.=C2=A0 Oh, and the frame was bent.=C2=
=A0 I told him I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresente=
d it, and I wanted my money back.=C2=A0 He told me tough, you paid already,=
 it=E2=80=99s yours.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I came home and called eBay o=
nly to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old and that=
 I had no recourse other than to sue the seller.=C2=A0 After several sleepl=
ess nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and so I d=
rove back out to collect the car.=C2=A0 When I got there the seller told me=
 he had sold it to someone else.=C2=A0 Great, I said, give me my money.=C2=
=A0 Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the other guy.=C2=
=A0 The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the c=
ar up and drove home.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salva=
ged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass.=C2=A0 =
The car is being collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quo=
t;serif&quot;">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it.=C2=A0 Th=
ankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgiv=
e the guy.=C2=A0 But I did leave negative feedback on eBay.=C2=A0 The EXACT=
 words were =E2=80=9CTotal misrepresentation of the car.=C2=A0 Buyers bewar=
e=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 It never posted.=C2=A0 I called eBay today and was told t=
he seller had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threat=
ened the future success of his business=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 As a result eBay ha=
d the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did.=C2=A0 And they will not le=
t me leave any negative feedback.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&qu=
ot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">I still love the =
Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a=
 shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.=C2=A0 I guess I am venting, but if an=
yone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
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><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">=
Andrew Uprichard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
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