Subject: [6pack] Overdrive in a TR6

From: Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 00:01:53 -0400

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I have never restored a TR6 but there is one for sale locally.  Apparently
it comes "with the rare factory overdrive option".

It is a 1970 car, vin CC 55,000 (ish)

Is this likely to be an A-type or a J-type?  I know the difference to look
at the respective overdrives, but the car is lying in a yard, I probably
can't get under it, and the transmission tunnel looks from the photos to be
intact.

I'd like to know before making an offer for the car.  Any suggestions?

Andrew Uprichard

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A-type or a J-type?&nbsp; I know the difference to look at the =
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From: COLIN THOM via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 13:19:03 -0600 (MDT)

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If the goal is overdrive in other than 3rd and 4th gears, that's simple eno=
ugh.=20

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Re OD? ? I installed an A type from a wrecked 71 into my 73.? ? So I guess =
you would say its not "factory" or correct for my year, but it is a genuine=
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I have a few things for sale. Please let me know if interested.=20
I have?factory Triumph touch up paint bottle in Carmine Red. Obviously, you=
 have not been able to buy these from a Triumph dealer for many years so no=
t sure of the paint inside. Still sealed but I would only say these are goo=
d for car shows. I bought these new many years agoTR6 Master Brake cylinder=
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From: "Andrew Uprichard" <[email-masked]>=20
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Subject: [6pack] Overdrive in a TR6=20

I have never restored a TR6 but there is one for sale locally.? Apparently=
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it comes "with the rare factory overdrive option".=20

It is a 1970 car, vin CC 55,000 (ish)=20

Is this likely to be an A-type or a J-type?? I know the difference to look=
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at the respective overdrives, but the car is lying in a yard, I probably=20
can't get under it, and the transmission tunnel looks from the photos to be=
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intact.=20

I'd like to know before making an offer for the car.? Any suggestions?=20

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A 1970 would be an A type.=20

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Probably an A type. You can?t know for sure if Ed has overdrive and second =
third and fourth gears. The J type has overdrive only in third and fourth c=
ares.=20

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n?t get under it, and the transmission tunnel looks from the photos to be i=
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
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and 4th gears, that's simple enough.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></d=
iv><div>Colin</div><div>--formerly 74-1/2 now nothin' :-(</div><div><br></d=
iv><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADE=
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eam.net<br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, June 7, 2019 11:42:55 AM<br><b>Subject: </b=
>6pack Digest, Vol 53, Issue 3<br></div><br><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TE=
XT__">Send 6pack mailing list submissions to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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0 (UTC)<br>From: Yahoo &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: &lt;6pack@aut=
ox.team.net&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 53, Issue 2<br>Me=
ssage-ID: &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Content-T=
ype: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br><br>&nbsp;Re OD? ? I installed an A t=
ype from a wrecked 71 into my 73.? ? So I guess you would say its not "fact=
ory" or correct for my year, but it is a genuine Triumph TR series OD.I don=
't know that we get as hung up on these things as the Muscle car folks.? ?C=
heers.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;On Thursday, June 6, 2019, 8:50:50 p.m. CST, &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote: &nbsp;<br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;Send 6=
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6pack Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1 (Vito Pacione)<br>? 2. Re: Overdrive in a TR6=
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000 (UTC)<br>From: Vito Pacione &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: &lt;6pac=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1<=
br>Message-ID: &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Con=
tent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br><br>&nbsp;I have a few things f=
or sale. Please let me know if interested.<br>I have?factory Triumph touch =
up paint bottle in Carmine Red. Obviously, you have not been able to buy th=
ese from a Triumph dealer for many years so not sure of the paint inside. S=
till sealed but I would only say these are good for car shows. I bought the=
se new many years agoTR6 Master Brake cylinder with boosterUnipart oil filt=
ers<br><br>? ? On ?Wednesday?, ?June? ?5?, ?2019? ?01?:?03?:?42? ?PM? ?CDT,=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:? <br>&nbsp;<br>&nbsp;Send 6pac=
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Contents of 6pack digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>? 1. Overdri=
ve in a TR6 (Andrew Uprichard)<br>? 2. Re: [TR] Overdrive in a TR6 (Mark J =
Bradakis)<br>? 3. Re: Overdrive in a TR6 (Jim Jones)<br><br><br>-----------=
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 1<br>Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 00:01:53 -0400<br>From: "Andrew Uprichard" &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: "'TR3/6'" &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t;,??? &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Subject: [6pack] Overdrive in a TR6<=
br>Message-ID: &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Con=
tent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"<br><br>I have never restored a =
TR6 but there is one for sale locally.? Apparently<br>it comes "with the ra=
re factory overdrive option".<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br>It is a 1970 car, vin CC=
 55,000 (ish)<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br>Is this likely to be an A-type or a J-ty=
pe?? I know the difference to look<br>at the respective overdrives, but the=
 car is lying in a yard, I probably<br>can't get under it, and the transmis=
sion tunnel looks from the photos to be<br>intact.<br><br>&nbsp;<br><br>I'd=
 like to know before making an offer for the car.? Any suggestions?<br><br>=
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format=3Dflowed<br><br>A 1970 would be an A type.<br><br>mjb.<br><br><br><b=
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2019 12:59:01 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Jim Jones &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>T=
o: Andrew Uprichard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;,? 'TR3/6'<br>??? &lt;t=
[email-masked]&gt;,? &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [=
6pack] Overdrive in a TR6<br>Message-ID: &lt;832585609.310376.1559739541026=
@mail.yahoo.com&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br><br>P=
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From: janah--- via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 19:55:43 +0000 (UTC)

Andrew-

The 1969-1972 cars were fitted at the factory with the Laycock "A"-type Overdrive as an option.  The commission numbers for North American spec cars for these years was "LO".  L designated "left hand drive" and O for Overdrive.  If the "O" isn't there it means that car was not fitted with an overdrive at the factory.

(For those about to pounce, I know that the suffix was changed mid-year in 1972 to "UO" for a factory equipped overdrive car. But it was still an "A"-type and we are discussing the 1970 cars.)

Now as has been pointed out, this does not mean there is not an OD in this car, But if there is, then it was installed by a previous owner. It is fairly straight forward to put an A-type into an 1970.  However a J-type has a different tail shaft mounting and in 1973-1976 the frames were modified to accept the new tail shaft mounting.  There is a conversion kit that allows the later cars to accept an A-type, or you can get clever with a cut-off wheel and torch can modify the frame to what ever mounting your OD needs.

I think in this case "seeing is believing".  A non-functional A-Type or one where you don't know the history is probably worth about $900-$1000.  A newly rebuilt A-type can run $2000-$2200. Because it this, I would want proof of what it was before I paid anything for the car. If you do have one rebuilt, have it done by a reputable firm.

Hope this helps?

John Cyg
70 Damson
CC52927 LO

<snip> I have never restored a TR6 but there is one for sale locally.? Apparently it comes "with the rare factory overdrive option".

Is this likely to be an A-type or a J-type?? I know the difference to look at the respective overdrives, but the car is lying in a yard, I probably can't get under it, and the transmission tunnel looks from the photos to be intact.

I'd like to know before making an offer for the car.? Any suggestions?

Andrew Uprichard <snip>
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