Subject: Re: [6pack] Engine restoration, abbreviated

From: Greg Lemon via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:29:05 -0500

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Richard,

I have enjoyed the story of your TR6 ressurection.  When I did my TR250
motor I did tear it down, a 90,000 plus mile car, the machinist polished
the crank, and honed the notes.  I put on new rings and bearings.  Point
being you may be on the right path leaving it alone, they can apparently do
considerable miles without too much wear.

One note, don't forget to check crank float or end play.  The thrust
washers on the crank are a known fail point.  I seem to recall they can be
replaced by dropping the pan and sliding the bearing out.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:07 PM Richard Lindsay via 6pack <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hello again Friends,
>    The following is an abbreviated story, with pictures, of the
> resurrection of my TR6 engine. The car hadn't run in decades, I am told,
> but the engine looked pretty good. Here's a first look.
>
> http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000408.JPG
>
>    First step was to pull the plugs, squirt in about 1cc of oil, and turn
> the engine over by hand. Everything turned smoothly. I next changed the oil
> and filter, connected a battery, pulled the fuses out, and spun the engine
> for a second or two on the starter. Everything turned smoothly.
>    Next step, a compression test. Given a 1975 U.S. specification engine
> with a compression ratio of 7.75:1, the perfect static pressure would be
> about 114psi. My engine's initial (cold) compression readings are:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *1  115 psi 2  106 psi 3  103 psi 4  111 psi 5  102 psi 6  111 psi*
>
>    Considering that this engine hadn't run in ages and the condition of
> the valve and their seats was unknown, I decided to *not* open the engine
> unless further tests indicated that doing so was warranted.
>    I next removed the valve cover and found a clean rocker shaft and
> springs. And with the cover of off, I cleaned and refinished it. Lots of
> other bits got cleaned and refinished at the same time.
>    The waterpump and thermostat were replaced. All hoses are new. The
> radiator was flushed and pressure tested. A new fan belt was installed and
> the cooling system was flushed.
>    The Z-S carbs were rebuilt and reinstalled on new gaskets. The fuel
> line was disconnected and flushed clean. The tank was boiled out and no
> corrosion was found.
>    Earlier I posted a picture or two of the electric fuel pump I used.
> Here's one of the pictures again.
>
> http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190722_091448.jpg
>
>    I removed all the non-functional emissions bits including the air
> injection plumbing. The pipe fittings on the manifold were not coming off
> by any means known to man so...I sawed off the pipes and plugged them with
> bolts and ultra high temperature cement. Here's how they looked before
> 'surgery'.
>
> http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190514_091212.jpg
>
>    Before going on and on, as I am want to do, here is the engine and it's
> bay. This is before balancing the carbs and installing the refinished air
> cleaner with a new element. It now starts easily and runs great!
>
> http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190515_120747.jpg
>
>    I've left out the bit about omitting a waterpump bolt and causing a
> leak. And probably other little issues like a new alternator, but you get
> the gist.
>
> Rick
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<div dir=3D"auto">Richard,=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">I have enjoyed the story of your TR6 ressurection.=C2=A0 When I did my T=
R250 motor I did tear it down, a 90,000 plus mile car, the machinist polish=
ed the crank, and honed the notes.=C2=A0 I put on new rings and bearings.=
=C2=A0 Point being you may be on the right path leaving it alone, they can =
apparently do considerable miles without too much wear.</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">One note, don&#39;t forget to check crank f=
loat or end play.=C2=A0 The thrust washers on the crank are a known fail po=
int.=C2=A0 I seem to recall they can be replaced by dropping the pan and sl=
iding the bearing out.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">G=
reg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:07 PM R=
ichard Lindsay via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">6pack@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"auto">Hello again Friends,<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The followi=
ng is an abbreviated story, with pictures, of the resurrection of my TR6 en=
gine. The car hadn&#39;t run in decades, I am told, but the engine looked p=
retty good. Here&#39;s a first look.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000408.JPG" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1=
000408.JPG</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0First step was to pull the plugs, squirt in about 1cc of oil, and=
 turn the engine over by hand. Everything turned smoothly. I next changed t=
he oil and filter, connected a battery, pulled the fuses out, and spun the =
engine for a second or two on the starter. Everything turned smoothly.=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Next step, a compression test. Give=
n a 1975 U.S. specification engine with a compression ratio of 7.75:1, the =
perfect static pressure would be about 114psi. My engine&#39;s=C2=A0<span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:sans-serif">initial (cold) compression readings are:</s=
pan></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><font color=3D"#f44336"><b>1 =C2=A0115 psi<br>
2 =C2=A0106 psi<br>
3 =C2=A0103 psi<br>
4 =C2=A0111 psi<br>
5 =C2=A0102 psi<br>
6 =C2=A0111 psi</b></font><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font color=3D"#f4433=
6"><b><br></b></font></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Considering that =
this engine hadn&#39;t run in ages and the condition of the valve and their=
 seats was unknown, I decided to <u>not</u> open the engine unless further =
tests indicated that doing so was warranted.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0I next removed the valve cover and found a clean rocker shaft =
and springs. And with the cover of off, I cleaned and refinished it. Lots o=
f other bits got cleaned and refinished at the same time.</div><div dir=3D"=
auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The waterpump and thermostat were replaced. All hoses ar=
e new. The radiator was flushed and pressure tested. A new fan belt was ins=
talled and the cooling system was flushed.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0The Z-S carbs were rebuilt and reinstalled on new gaskets. The fuel l=
ine was disconnected and flushed clean. The tank was boiled out and no corr=
osion was found.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Earlier I posted a pic=
ture or two of the electric fuel pump I used. Here&#39;s one of the picture=
s again.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http=
://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190722_091448.jpg" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190722_091448.jpg</a><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I removed al=
l the non-functional emissions bits including the air injection plumbing. T=
he pipe fittings on the manifold were not coming off by any means known to =
man so...I sawed off the pipes and plugged them with bolts and ultra high t=
emperature cement. Here&#39;s how they looked before=C2=A0 &#39;surgery&#39=
;.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aub=
ard.us/75_Triumph/20190514_091212.jpg" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190514_091212.jpg</a><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Before going on an=
d on, as I am want to do, here is the engine and it&#39;s bay. This is befo=
re balancing the carbs and installing the refinished air cleaner with a new=
 element. It now starts easily and runs great!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190515_1207=
47.jpg" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://aubard.us/75=
_Triumph/20190515_120747.jpg</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;ve left out the bit about omitting a waterp=
ump bolt and causing a leak. And probably other little issues like a new al=
ternator, but you get the gist.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Rick</div></div>
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From: Tom Walling via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:40:27 -0400 (EDT)

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Another "Zombie TR6"!! You can't kill 'em, even if they look dead.

> On August 13, 2019 at 9:07 PM Richard Lindsay via 6pack <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>     Hello again Friends,
>        The following is an abbreviated story, with pictures, of the resurrection of my TR6 engine. The car hadn't run in decades, I am told, but the engine looked pretty good. Here's a first look. 
> 
>        First step was to pull the plugs, squirt in about 1cc of oil, and turn the engine over by hand. Everything turned smoothly. I next changed the oil and filter, connected a battery, pulled the fuses out, and spun the engine for a second or two on the starter. Everything turned smoothly. 
>        Next step, a compression test. Given a 1975 U.S. specification engine with a compression ratio of 7.75:1, the perfect static pressure would be about 114psi. My engine's  initial (cold) compression readings are:
> 
>     1  115 psi
>     2  106 psi
>     3  103 psi
>     4  111 psi
>     5  102 psi
>     6  111 psi
> 
>        Considering that this engine hadn't run in ages and the condition of the valve and their seats was unknown, I decided to not open the engine unless further tests indicated that doing so was warranted. 
>        I next removed the valve cover and found a clean rocker shaft and springs. And with the cover of off, I cleaned and refinished it. Lots of other bits got cleaned and refinished at the same time.
>        The waterpump and thermostat were replaced. All hoses are new. The radiator was flushed and pressure tested. A new fan belt was installed and the cooling system was flushed.
>        The Z-S carbs were rebuilt and reinstalled on new gaskets. The fuel line was disconnected and flushed clean. The tank was boiled out and no corrosion was found.
>        Earlier I posted a picture or two of the electric fuel pump I used. Here's one of the pictures again.
> 
>        I removed all the non-functional emissions bits including the air injection plumbing. The pipe fittings on the manifold were not coming off by any means known to man so...I sawed off the pipes and plugged them with bolts and ultra high temperature cement. Here's how they looked before  'surgery'.
> 
>        Before going on and on, as I am want to do, here is the engine and it's bay. This is before balancing the carbs and installing the refinished air cleaner with a new element. It now starts easily and runs great!
> 
>        I've left out the bit about omitting a waterpump bolt and causing a leak. And probably other little issues like a new alternator, but you get the gist.
> 
>     Rick
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serif; font-size: 12pt;">Another &#34;Zombie TR6&#34;!! You can&#39;t kill =
&#39;em, even if they look dead.</p><div class=3D"io-ox-signature">&#160;<b=
r></div><blockquote type=3D"cite">On August 13, 2019 at 9:07 PM Richard Lin=
dsay via 6pack &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div dir=3D"a=
uto">Hello again Friends,<div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;The following is an=
 abbreviated story, with pictures, of the resurrection of my TR6 engine. Th=
e car hadn&#39;t run in decades, I am told, but the engine looked pretty go=
od. Here&#39;s a first look.&#160;</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000408.JPG" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noopener">http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000408.JPG</a> <br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;First step w=
as to pull the plugs, squirt in about 1cc of oil, and turn the engine over =
by hand. Everything turned smoothly. I next changed the oil and filter, con=
nected a battery, pulled the fuses out, and spun the engine for a second or=
 two on the starter. Everything turned smoothly.&#160;</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">&#160; &#160;Next step, a compression test. Given a 1975 U.S. specificat=
ion engine with a compression ratio of 7.75:1, the perfect static pressure =
would be about 114psi. My engine&#39;s&#160; <span style=3D"font-family: sa=
ns-serif;">initial (cold) compression readings are:</span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color: #f44336;"><strong>=
1 &#160;115 psi<br> 2 &#160;106 psi<br> 3 &#160;103 psi<br> 4 &#160;111 psi=
<br> 5 &#160;102 psi<br> 6 &#160;111 psi</strong></span> <br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color: #f44336;"><strong><br></strong></span></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;Considering that this engine hadn&#39;t run=
 in ages and the condition of the valve and their seats was unknown, I deci=
ded to <u>not</u> open the engine unless further tests indicated that doing=
 so was warranted.&#160;</div><div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;I next removed=
 the valve cover and found a clean rocker shaft and springs. And with the c=
over of off, I cleaned and refinished it. Lots of other bits got cleaned an=
d refinished at the same time.</div><div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;The wate=
rpump and thermostat were replaced. All hoses are new. The radiator was flu=
shed and pressure tested. A new fan belt was installed and the cooling syst=
em was flushed.</div><div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;The Z-S carbs were rebu=
ilt and reinstalled on new gaskets. The fuel line was disconnected and flus=
hed clean. The tank was boiled out and no corrosion was found.</div><div di=
r=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;Earlier I posted a picture or two of the electric f=
uel pump I used. Here&#39;s one of the pictures again.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190=
722_091448.jpg" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">http://aubard.us/75_Triu=
mph/20190722_091448.jpg</a> <br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;I removed all the non-functional emissions bits incl=
uding the air injection plumbing. The pipe fittings on the manifold were no=
t coming off by any means known to man so...I sawed off the pipes and plugg=
ed them with bolts and ultra high temperature cement. Here&#39;s how they l=
ooked before&#160; &#39;surgery&#39;.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190514_091212.jpg" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190514_0912=
12.jpg</a> <br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &=
#160;Before going on and on, as I am want to do, here is the engine and it&=
#39;s bay. This is before balancing the carbs and installing the refinished=
 air cleaner with a new element. It now starts easily and runs great!</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/7=
5_Triumph/20190515_120747.jpg" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">http://au=
bard.us/75_Triumph/20190515_120747.jpg</a> <br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">&#160; &#160;I&#39;ve left out the bit about omitti=
ng a waterpump bolt and causing a leak. And probably other little issues li=
ke a new alternator, but you get the gist.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div>________________________________________=
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From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 06:01:21 -1000

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> Another "Zombie TR6"!! You can't kill 'em, even if they look dead.

   Yep  resurrection in progress...and its eating my brain.

http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20170429_135748e.jpg

http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000402.JPG

http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000409.JPG

...and its eating my brain.

Rick

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">&gt; Another &quot;Zombie TR6&quot;!! Y=
ou can&#39;t kill &#39;em, even if they look dead.<br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Yep=C2=A0 resurrection in progress...and its=
 eating my brain.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"h=
ttp://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20170429_135748e.jpg">http://aubard.us/75_Triump=
h/20170429_135748e.jpg</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000402.JPG">http://aubard.u=
s/75_Triumph/P1000402.JPG</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/P1000409.JPG">http://aubar=
d.us/75_Triumph/P1000409.JPG</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">...and its eating my brain.</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div>

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