Subject: Re: [6pack] More brakes

From: Rochlin Robert via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 08:42:42 -0400

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Hi Rick,
	I have spare O ring type seals for the brake warning switch =
block.  I can send you a couple if you need them.
	Best,
	Bob

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 8:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Hey all,
>    Today, before the Houston heat grows too great, I hope to address =
the rear brake hydraulics on my '75 TR6 project car. Specifically, I =
will inspect all of the pipes, flush them clean, then replace the rear =
flex hose. Work from the distribution block on to the new slave =
cylinders has already been completed.
>    I already finished work on the front system and cleaned up the =
area. Here's how it looks now. (Remember, this is to be a nice driver, =
not a show car.)
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> http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731_103230.jpg =
<http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731_103230.jpg>
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>    The switch on the pressure differential warning system, is bad and =
the piston seals leak. Until replacement parts can be sourced, the =
switch port is sealed with a short 3/8-fine bolt and a thick rubber =
washer. Doing so leaves the system a straight through junction, if with =
a tiny bit of leakage between chambers.
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
Rick,<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>I have spare O ring type seals =
for the brake warning switch block. &nbsp;I can send you a couple if you =
need them.</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Aug 2, 2019, at 8:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">Hey all,<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Today, =
before the Houston heat grows too great, I hope to address the rear =
brake hydraulics on my '75 TR6 project car. Specifically, I will inspect =
all of the pipes, flush them clean, then replace the rear flex hose. =
Work from the distribution block on to the new slave cylinders has =
already been completed.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;I =
already finished work on the front system and cleaned up the area. =
Here's how it looks now. (Remember, this is to be a nice driver, not a =
show car.)<br class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731_103230.jpg" =
class=3D"">http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731_103230.jpg</a><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;The switch on the pressure =
differential warning system, is bad and the piston seals leak. Until =
replacement parts can be sourced, the switch port is sealed with a short =
3/8-fine bolt and a thick rubber washer. Doing so leaves the system a =
straight through junction, if with a tiny bit of leakage between =
chambers.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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From: Mark J Bradakis via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 07:30:15 -0600

On 8/2/19 6:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack wrote:
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>    I already finished work on the front system and cleaned up the area.

Gee, sounds familiar.  Something I wrote maybe 25 years or so ago.  It 
was a TR4A, but you get the idea.

And I wish it had a date in that header.  The [email-masked] was 
the father of [email-masked].  And no, the sol doesn't 
stand for that, it is for Scions Of Lucas.

From: uunet!hoosier.utah.edu!mjb (Mark Bradakis)
Message-Id: <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Repair Escalation

It was just a small leak, certainly well within the capability of a doting
Sports Car owner to add to the litany of Things To Look At before a drive.
A dribble of brake fluid from the master cylinder, easily kept in check with
a wipe of a shop rag and topping up the resevoir is not a matter of grave
concern, but The White Car is my autocrosser and I do tend to drive it in a
vigorous manner.  So naturally I could not let something which could lead to
braking troubles go unattended for too long a time, so into the garage with
the car, and out with the tools.  Sure, it is only a trickle now, but I bet
the Grand Canyon was once a simple crease in the sand.

I've rebuilt hydraulics before and anticipated no problems.  Given the right
parts, the rebuild would be a quick and easy repair, the sort that makes one
feel that the years of dirty fingernails have actually led to some sort of
competence.  And if the old cylinder was simply too well used to be filled
with clean fluid and fresh seals there was always the nearly new cylinder
from The Rust Rocket, installed when that car handled the competitive 
duties.
So plans were made and kerosene for the little heater was purchased, as the
repair was to be undertaken over the Christmas holidays, which turned out to
be among the coldest on record in Salt Lake.

The first part was easy, getting the cylinder drained and the lines off, and
loosened from the bracket.  The manner in which the TR4A master cylinders
attach to the bracket makes it difficult to manuever them out of the 
bracket,
so it seems like the thing to do is go ahead and remove the bracket along
with the cylinders.  Which of course entails removing the entire pedal 
assembly from the inside of the car.

Once the bracket is off, I am faced with the results of years of constant
erosion.  Like the Colorado river working its way into the Arizona bedrock,
brake fluid has transformed the surface of the engine compartment.  Most
of the damage is covered with a few years worth of dirt and debris, and only
comes to light as I mine away the upper layers.  Out comes the windshield
wiper motor, the windshield washer bottle and a few bits and pieces.  Off
comes more dirt and grime, more paint in an odd plastic state, not solid
enough to protect against the elements, not soft enough to be easily 
removed.

And you know, while I am cleaning up this area, I may as well do the entire
inner fender here, and get rid of some of these runs in the factory finish.
It looks like the Triumph apprentices were given the chore of painting these
areas which few would see in the showroom.  And I could get to the side of
the footbox better were I to take out the battery.

Removing the battery may have been the turning point.  I wonder how long
before the nice plastic battery box would have ended up bouncing off the
gearbox cover and onto my feet during spirited maneuvers.  There is not much
holding the battery in place.  Some rusty sheet metal, covered in spots 
by the
dull, brownish white substance which was once the paint on this car wanders
from one side of the battery box to the other, trying its best to look
structural.  This has got to be repaired, as long as I am in the area.

Very little distance separates the top of the gearbox cover from the 
bottom of
the battery tray, and since I was meaning to work on the gearbox cover seals
I may as well pull that out.  Contemplating the repair of the area it is 
easy
to see I'd never get good access to the repair area with the motor in 
the way.
So the motor comes out, along with all the stuff that entails, like the
radiator and bonnet.  And as long as the bonnet will be off the car, I might
as well redo the Delft Blue racing stripes, now that I have decided I do
indeed like that pattern.

In short, here it is, Saint Patrick's day, a bit past the Christmas 
holidays.
The White Car sits in the garage, the bare tub from the firewall forward
sporting a freshly laid coat of white paint [I am painting the engine
compartment of my car WHITE??], and the first autocross race is a week from
today.  You know, I think I *still* haven't ordered that brake rebuild kit.

mjb

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From: Bob via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:02:49 -0400

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Rick,

There used to be someone on Ebay that repaired those units. You buy a 
rebuilt one and turn in your old one as a core. Not sure if the service 
exists today but worth a look.

My rebuilt one is leak free for 10 years with Dot 5.

Bob

On 8/2/19 8:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack wrote:
> Hey all,
>    Today, before the Houston heat grows too great, I hope to address 
> the rear brake hydraulics on my '75 TR6 project car. Specifically, I 
> will inspect all of the pipes, flush them clean, then replace the rear 
> flex hose. Work from the distribution block on to the new slave 
>    I already finished work on the front system and cleaned up the 
> area. Here's how it looks now. (Remember, this is to be a nice driver, 
> not a show car.)
>
> http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731_103230.jpg
>
>    The switch on the pressure differential warning system, is bad and 
> the piston seals leak. Until replacement parts can be sourced, the 
> switch port is sealed with a short 3/8-fine bolt and a thick rubber 
> washer. Doing so leaves the system a straight through junction, if 
> with a tiny bit of leakage between chambers.
>
> Rick
>
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    <p>Rick,</p>
    <p>There used to be someone on Ebay that repaired those units. You
      buy a rebuilt one and turn in your old one as a core. Not sure if
      the service exists today but worth a look.</p>
    <p>My rebuilt one is leak free for 10 years with Dot 5.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/2/19 8:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via
      6pack wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOc+-dwTQjVpk5h075S4SbupSK-khV-SnrLoy+S2hQsZ_=[email-masked]">
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      <div dir="auto">Hey all,
        <div dir="auto">   Today, before the Houston heat grows too
          great, I hope to address the rear brake hydraulics on my '75
          TR6 project car. Specifically, I will inspect all of the
          pipes, flush them clean, then replace the rear flex hose. Work
          from the distribution block on to the new slave cylinders has
          already been completed.</div>
        <div dir="auto">   I already finished work on the front system
          and cleaned up the area. Here's how it looks now. (Remember,
          this is to be a nice driver, not a show car.)<br>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto"><a
              href="http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731_103230.jpg"
              moz-do-not-send="true">http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731_103230.jpg</a><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">   The switch on the pressure differential
            warning system, is bad and the piston seals leak. Until
            replacement parts can be sourced, the switch port is sealed
            with a short 3/8-fine bolt and a thick rubber washer. Doing
            so leaves the system a straight through junction, if with a
            tiny bit of leakage between chambers.</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Rick</div>
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From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <[email-masked]>
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> Hello Friends,
   Today I disassembled my car's rear brakes. The pipes are plugged and the
hoses are perished. I have new pipes and hoses ordered and due tomorrow.
Two of the short pipes out to the rear slave cylinders appear to be NLA but
I have an assortment of new pipes left over from other sets. Two of these
spare pipes will fit just fine.
   I got very dirty.

Rick

On 8/2/19 8:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack wrote:

> Hey all,
>    Today, before the Houston heat grows too great, I hope to address the
> rear brake hydraulics on my '75 TR6 project car. Specifically, I will
> inspect all of the pipes, flush them clean, then replace the rear flex
> hose. Work from the distribution block on to the new slave cylinders has
> already been completed.
> Here's how it looks now. (Remember, this is to be a nice driver, not a show
> car.)
>
>    The switch on the pressure differential warning system, is bad and the
> piston seals leak. Until replacement parts can be sourced, the switch port
> is sealed with a short 3/8-fine bolt and a thick rubber washer. Doing so
> leaves the system a straight through junction, if with a tiny bit of
> leakage between chambers.
>
> Rick
>
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 =C2=A0Today I disassembled my car&#39;s rear brakes. The pipes are plugged=
 and the hoses are perished. I have new pipes and hoses ordered and due tom=
orrow. Two of the short pipes out to the rear slave cylinders appear to be =
NLA but I have an assortment of new pipes left over from other sets. Two of=
 these spare pipes will fit just fine.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
I got very dirty.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">On 8/2/19 8:33 AM, Richar=
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      <div dir=3D"auto">Hey all,
        <div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Today, before the Houston heat grows=
 too
          great, I hope to address the rear brake hydraulics on my &#39;75
          TR6 project car. Specifically, I will inspect all of the
          pipes, flush them clean, then replace the rear flex hose. Work
          from the distribution block on to the new slave cylinders has
          already been completed.</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I already finished work on the front=
 system
          and cleaned up the area. Here&#39;s how it looks now. (Remember,
          this is to be a nice driver, not a show car.)<br>
          <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://aubard.us/75_Triumph/20190731=
_103230.jpg" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://aubard.us/75_Trium=
ph/20190731_103230.jpg</a><br>
          </div>
          <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The switch on the pressure differe=
ntial
            warning system, is bad and the piston seals leak. Until
            replacement parts can be sourced, the switch port is sealed
            with a short 3/8-fine bolt and a thick rubber washer. Doing
            so leaves the system a straight through junction, if with a
            tiny bit of leakage between chambers.</div>
          <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div>
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From: im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
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Just my .02 cents on the Pressure Differential switch. They always are a so=
urce of grief. Of course it would be best for it to function correctly and =
to light the BRAKE light if there is an issue. But minus the dash light wor=
king, it seems more safe to have the front and rear systems totally separat=
ed with assorted brake male & female fittings as needed, than to have a dif=
ferential unit that could cause all fluid to leak out of both systems.  I'v=
e helped a buddy do this on his car and he was most happy to end all the fl=
uid leaking. Just keep this in the back of your mind in case you are at wit=
s-end to get the darn thing to stop leaking and the dash-light on or off as=
 necessary.

Now, full disclosure. My 69 Six has had a bolt inserted in place of the swi=
tch since I purchased it in 86 and with no leaks, if it ain't broke I don't=
 fix it.

Sloane :)
69-Six
72-Spit (still waiting for new engine)

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From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of Richard Lindsay via=
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Subject: [6pack] More brakes

   The switch on the pressure differential warning system, is bad and the p=
iston seals leak. Until replacement parts can be sourced, the switch port i=
s sealed with a short 3/8-fine bolt and a thick rubber washer. Doing so lea=
ves the system a straight through junction, if with a tiny bit of leakage b=
etween chambers.

Rick

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Just my .02 cents on the Pressure Differential switch. They always are a so=
urce of grief. Of course it would be best for it to function correctly and =
to light the BRAKE light if there is an issue. But minus the dash light wor=
king, it seems more safe to have
 the front and rear systems totally separated with assorted brake male &amp=
; female fittings as needed, than to have a differential unit that could ca=
use all fluid to leak out of both systems.&nbsp; I've helped a buddy do thi=
s on his car and he was most happy to end
 all the fluid leaking. Just keep this in the back of your mind in case you=
 are at wits-end to get the darn thing to stop leaking and the dash-light o=
n or off as necessary.&nbsp;</div>
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Now, full disclosure. My 69 Six has had a bolt inserted in place of the swi=
tch since I purchased it in 86 and with no leaks, if it ain't broke I don't=
 fix it.&nbsp;</div>
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Sloane :)</div>
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72-Spit (still waiting for new engine)</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 2, 2019 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> TR6 &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [6pack] More brakes</font>
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<div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp; &nbsp;The switch on the pressure differential warn=
ing system, is bad and the piston seals leak. Until replacement parts can b=
e sourced, the switch port is sealed with a short 3/8-fine bolt and a thick=
 rubber washer. Doing so leaves the system a
 straight through junction, if with a tiny bit of leakage between chambers.=
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<div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div>
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