Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

From: Raymond Hatfield via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:09:41 +0000 (UTC)

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Hello Jonmac,
It's been a long time since I last saw you on here, glad to see you're stil=
l doing well. I think this list could ask for no finer resource on all thin=
gs Triumph than you.
Take care,Raymond.L Hatfield=C2=A0

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From: Raymond Hatfield via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:09:41 +0000 (UTC)

Hello Jonmac,

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From: John Macartney via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:46:04 +0100

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Hi, Andrew,

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Next time you=E2=80=99re in touch with Darryl, pass on my greetings. He =
probably won=E2=80=99t remember me but many years ago, I met him more =
than once at GKN Autoparts in the UK. I think he worked for the UK =
operation? I was Managing Director of GKN Autoparts International under =
Nigel Walker and Jerry Clancy, both of whom he may remember?

=20

240brake in a TR250, huh? I hope you do a lot of work in other areas to =
ensure the driveline can take that power and torque, and, more =
importantly, the brakes are upgraded!!!!!

=20

The TR5 isn=E2=80=99t terribly complex in itself but the way the PI =
system works is way different to Strombergs. Over the years since the =
fuel injected cars have gained in collector popularity, significant =
strides have been made in setting them up properly so they run as they =
should. Around 2000, when the UK moved over to only unleaded fuel, most =
injected car owners had to have major work done on their metering units =
and mainly because the unleaded additives were collapsing the original =
rubber fuel lines. This led to metering units being reconditioned and =
being reset tto original Lucas specs. However, it soon became clear the =
settings used by Lucas for when the cars were in production was only the =
start of where the adjustments needed to be made. Fitting a new =
reconditioned metering unit was one thing but it was soon determined =
each engine had differing characteristics and mainly on the vacuum =
settings that control the amount of back and forth movement of the =
shuttle within the metering spindle. It=E2=80=99s rather a =
three-dimensional exercise (and an absolute sod of a job in terms of =
unit access to adjust) in getting the vacuum set to suit the individual =
car, while also playing with the varying advance curves on the =
distributor and synchronising the six throttle butterflies to ensure the =
mixture isn=E2=80=99t too weak or too  rich across the whole opening =
spectrum. This is a detailed exercise the factory could obviously never =
do in production, although all the Press cars underwent a detailed check =
on a regular basis =E2=80=93 and they were all real =
=E2=80=98flyers=E2=80=99. This whole fandango is best achieved on a =
rolling road under varying engine loads =E2=80=93 and not too many =
enthusiasts have a rolling road near their back door! However, the =
bottom line is that once all this is set and locked and you=E2=80=99re =
running ONLY on NGK BP6ES plugs, you=E2=80=99ll have a car that will =
last a long time without further intervention. If you=E2=80=99re =
considering a TR5 from the UK or Europe, my recommendation is you get =
Darryl=E2=80=99s guys at Racetorations to do all that work before the =
thing is shipped over to you. The only thing to then figure out is what =
the effect of the higher levels of ethanol you use in US fuel will have =
on running. I think your gas uses far more ethanol than the European =
stuff and this could cause issues that will ideally need reviewing once =
the car is in the States.

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As I may have mentioned, my own 2.5PI saloon was power enhanced to UK =
police spec for added performance and this meant the power went up from =
about 130bhp at the flywheel to around 170bhp. This involved a new =
camshaft, a reconditioned metering unit but when first fitted it just =
didn=E2=80=99t run as I=E2=80=99d hoped. Once I=E2=80=99d taken it to =
the specialist guy who reconditioned the metering unit (and in those =
days there were only three companies in the UK) also fitted a Bosch fuel =
pump (essential) we spent all day with it on the rolling road and at the =
end of things when I was about $500 worse off, the car went like a =
rocket. More importantly in the next few years it NEVER went off tune! I =
forgot the number of times I frightened myself while driving it but it =
sure was money well spent!

=20

So, the bottom line here is if anyone desires a Lucas injected car =
they=E2=80=99ll have a ball of fun PROVIDING the final fine tuning is =
done by someone who fully knows the system and has the skill to get the =
best out of it.

However, if a US enthusiast just wants TR5 or TR6PI performance, what I =
said in my last message is to fit carbs, shaved head, new cam and new =
dizzy =E2=80=93 and leave it at that.

=20

Good luck

=20

Jonmac

=20

From: Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: 31 August 2019 17:44
To: 'John Macartney' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [6pack] Lucas PI

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Hey, Jonmac =E2=80=93 thank you for your email.  The story is never =
simple=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.

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My cousin Darryl Uprichard* owns Racetorations in Gainsborough and is =
currently building me an EFI engine (dyno=E2=80=99d around 240bhp) for =
my TR250.  Should be here by the end of the year.  So I will have a =
fast-road 250 to go with my Racetorations fast-road small-mouth 3 (and =
my stock TR2, TR3B and TR4).  I know, it=E2=80=99s getting =
crazy=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..

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Given I am not a TR6 fan (actually, my wife hates the look of them =
=E2=80=93 and she is incredibly supportive), the only thing I could ever =
want for is a TR5.  It will not be anything like as fast as the =
Racetorations TR250, but what a great car to own.  But I know nothing =
about the Lucas system =E2=80=93 so here we are again.

=20

I think Darryl may be sending a mechanic over to the US next year for a =
customer out West:  if that works out, maybe he could swing by here, =
help finish the 250 and maybe even help with the TR5 (if I get it).

=20

Too much information?  Sorry !!

Andrew=20

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*our fathers were 2 of 5 brothers, all of whom went to war.  Half =
returned to N. Ireland after the war, but the others stayed in England, =
so I have lots of English cousins, many of whom I have never met.  The =
only reason I met Darryl was because I bought a TR3 and was then told =
=E2=80=9Cyou have a cousin in England who knows a thing or so about =
those cars=E2=80=9D !!

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From: John Macartney [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:52 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

=20

If all you want is an injected TR performance, I=E2=80=99d do this. Buy =
a us spec car.

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TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the =
original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a =
Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor exhaust =
manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you=E2=80=99re there. Ideally, if =
the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in the U.K. for a =
215019 head. These didn=E2=80=99t go to the US but we=E2=80=99re the =
best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm this and he=E2=80=99s a =
Triumph performance specialist. Goes without saying you=E2=80=99ll need =
anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better imho. You=E2=80=99ll then =
have a car that is the injected versions performance equal in every way. =
These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s that =
find their way back here. Good luck

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Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is =
better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <[email-masked] =

Thanks, Jonmac:  I don=E2=80=99t have the car yet =E2=80=93 and in fact =
am still going back-and-forth about whether to buy it.  I=E2=80=99ll =
keep you posted !

Andrew

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From: John Macartney [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

=20

Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course and =
owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police performance spec. =
Doubt you=E2=80=99ll find too many in the US with experience of the =
system. PI cars were never sold in North America in the day, though a =
very small number have snuck in since then. A word of advice. If =
you=E2=80=99re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, put everything =
you=E2=80=99ve learned about carbed cars entirely to one side. The Lucas =
system is a whole different ball game with very unique rules. That said, =
it=E2=80=99s a great setup but you need to know what you=E2=80=99re =
doing before you start:)

=20

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is =
better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack =

Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?

=20

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi, Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Next time =
you=E2=80=99re in touch with Darryl, pass on my greetings. He probably =
won=E2=80=99t remember me but many years ago, I met him more than once =
at GKN Autoparts in the UK. I think he worked for the UK operation? I =
was Managing Director of GKN Autoparts International under Nigel Walker =
and Jerry Clancy, both of whom he may remember?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>240brake in =
a TR250, huh? I hope you do a lot of work in other areas to ensure the =
driveline can take that power and torque, and, more importantly, the =
brakes are upgraded!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The TR5 =
isn=E2=80=99t terribly complex in itself but the way the PI system works =
is way different to Strombergs. Over the years since the fuel injected =
cars have gained in collector popularity, significant strides have been =
made in setting them up properly so they run as they should. Around =
2000, when the UK moved over to only unleaded fuel, most injected car =
owners had to have major work done on their metering units and mainly =
because the unleaded additives were collapsing the original rubber fuel =
lines. This led to metering units being reconditioned and being reset =
tto original Lucas specs. However, it soon became clear the settings =
used by Lucas for when the cars were in production was only the start of =
where the adjustments needed to be made. Fitting a new reconditioned =
metering unit was one thing but it was soon determined each engine had =
differing characteristics and mainly on the vacuum settings that control =
the amount of back and forth movement of the shuttle within the metering =
spindle. It=E2=80=99s rather a three-dimensional exercise (and an =
absolute sod of a job in terms of unit access to adjust) in getting the =
vacuum set to suit the individual car, while also playing with the =
varying advance curves on the distributor and synchronising the six =
throttle butterflies to ensure the mixture isn=E2=80=99t too weak or =
too=C2=A0 rich across the whole opening spectrum. This is a detailed =
exercise the factory could obviously never do in production, although =
all the Press cars underwent a detailed check on a regular basis =
=E2=80=93 and they were all real =E2=80=98flyers=E2=80=99. This whole =
fandango is best achieved on a rolling road under varying engine loads =
=E2=80=93 and not too many enthusiasts have a rolling road near their =
back door! However, the bottom line is that once all this is set and =
locked and you=E2=80=99re running <b><u>ONLY on NGK BP6ES plugs</u></b>, =
you=E2=80=99ll have a car that will last a long time without further =
intervention. If you=E2=80=99re considering a TR5 from the UK or Europe, =
my recommendation is you get Darryl=E2=80=99s guys at Racetorations to =
do all that work before the thing is shipped over to you. The only thing =
to then figure out is what the effect of the higher levels of ethanol =
you use in US fuel will have on running. I think your gas uses far more =
ethanol than the European stuff and this could cause issues that will =
ideally need reviewing once the car is in the =
States.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As I may =
have mentioned, my own 2.5PI saloon was power enhanced to UK police spec =
for added performance and this meant the power went up from about 130bhp =
at the flywheel to around 170bhp. This involved a new camshaft, a =
reconditioned metering unit but when first fitted it just didn=E2=80=99t =
run as I=E2=80=99d hoped. Once I=E2=80=99d taken it to the specialist =
guy who reconditioned the metering unit (and in those days there were =
only three companies in the UK) also fitted a Bosch fuel pump =
(essential) we spent all day with it on the rolling road and at the end =
of things when I was about $500 worse off, the car went like a rocket. =
More importantly in the next few years it NEVER went off tune! I forgot =
the number of times I frightened myself while driving it but it sure was =
money well spent!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, the =
bottom line here is if anyone desires a Lucas injected car =
they=E2=80=99ll have a ball of fun PROVIDING the final fine tuning is =
done by someone who fully knows the system and has the skill to get the =
best out of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However, if a US enthusiast just =
wants TR5 or TR6PI performance, what I said in my last message is to fit =
carbs, shaved head, new cam and new dizzy =E2=80=93 and leave it at =
that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Good =
luck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Andrew Uprichard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 31 August 2019 =
17:44<br><b>To:</b> 'John Macartney' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [6pack] =
Lucas PI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Hey, Jonmac =E2=80=93 thank you for your =
email.&nbsp; The story is never =
simple=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>My cousin Darryl Uprichard* owns =
Racetorations in Gainsborough and is currently building me an EFI engine =
(dyno=E2=80=99d around 240bhp) for my TR250.&nbsp; Should be here by the =
end of the year.&nbsp; So I will have a fast-road 250 to go with my =
Racetorations fast-road small-mouth 3 (and my stock TR2, TR3B and =
TR4).&nbsp; I know, it=E2=80=99s getting =
crazy=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Given I am not a TR6 fan (actually, my wife =
hates the look of them =E2=80=93 and she is incredibly supportive), the =
only thing I could ever want for is a TR5.&nbsp; It will not be anything =
like as fast as the Racetorations TR250, but what a great car to =
own.&nbsp; But I know nothing about the Lucas system =E2=80=93 so here =
we are again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I think Darryl may be sending a mechanic =
over to the US next year for a customer out West:&nbsp; if that works =
out, maybe he could swing by here, help finish the 250 and maybe even =
help with the TR5 (if I get it).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Too much information?&nbsp; Sorry =
!!<br><br>Andrew <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>*our fathers were 2 of 5 brothers, all of =
whom went to war.&nbsp; Half returned to N. Ireland after the war, but =
the others stayed in England, so I have lots of English cousins, many of =
whom I have never met.&nbsp; The only reason I met Darryl was because I =
bought a TR3 and was then told =E2=80=9Cyou have a cousin in England who =
knows a thing or so about those cars=E2=80=9D !!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> John =
Macartney [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips=
.org.uk</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:52 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] Lucas PI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>If all you want is an injected TR =
performance, I=E2=80=99d do this. Buy a us spec =
car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>TR5 camshaft, still available in =
U.K. and a bit better too than the original. Shave the head to at least =
9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of =
the SAH 6-3-1 extractor exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, =
you=E2=80=99re there. Ideally, if the donor car is a late model 6, email =
Chris Witor in the U.K. for a 215019 head. These didn=E2=80=99t go to =
the US but we=E2=80=99re the best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm =
this and he=E2=80=99s a Triumph performance specialist. Goes without =
saying you=E2=80=99ll need anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better =
imho. You=E2=80=99ll then have a car that is the injected versions =
performance equal in every way. These things are what we do in the U.K. =
to all 250s and carbed 6s that find their way back here. Good =
luck<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Whenever I feel the need for =
exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the =
feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks, Jonmac:&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t have =
the car yet =E2=80=93 and in fact am still going back-and-forth about =
whether to buy it.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ll keep you posted =
!<br><br>Andrew</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> John =
Macartney [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips=
.org.uk</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [6pack] Lucas PI</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Can I help? Did the Lucas Service =
course, thefactory service course and owned a saloon with the pi engine =
to full U.K. police performance spec. Doubt you=E2=80=99ll find too many =
in the US with experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in =
North America in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since =
then. A word of advice. If you=E2=80=99re tempted to fiddle with the PI =
system, put everything you=E2=80=99ve learned about carbed cars entirely =
to one side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very =
unique rules. That said, it=E2=80=99s a great setup but you need to know =
what you=E2=80=99re doing before you =
start:)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Jonmac<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3DAppleMailSignature><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Whenever I feel the need for =
exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the =
feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
lang=3DEN-US><br>On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas =
PI system?</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Andrew Uprichard</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Jackson, =
Michigan</span><span =
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Used to be Kinsler - google kinsler.com<http://kinsler.com>
No clue if they are still the only game in town though.

On Aug 29, 2019, at 5:30 PM, Richard Lindsay via 6pack <[email-masked]=

Wow. Tough question. No clue. Good luck.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 4:21 PM Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <[email-masked].=
Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

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From: John Macartney via 6pack <[email-masked]>
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Hi, Raymond

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Great to hear from you again but the generous accolade is I feel perhaps =
a little misplaced?

=20

I somehow dropped off the 6Pack email list some years back and =
periodically received the odd message and it seems some who I remember =
from the older(?) triumphs@autox had migrated, so thought I=E2=80=99d =
better tag along too.=20

=20

I=E2=80=99m now entirely Triumph-less as I live in the middle of a very =
old English town in a house that was built long before the days of the =
car. No garage or chance of obtaining one in which to keep a classic car =
and I=E2=80=99ve now reached a stage in life where getting my hands =
filthy and crawling around under an old car for pleasure has very =
limited appeal. Good food, good wine and the company of interesting =
ladies of a similar age has far more appeal and come 9.00pm, =
it=E2=80=99s getting near my bedtime=F0=9F=98=8A

=20

Keep the posts coming. I read them all.

=20

Cheers, Jonmac

=20

From: Raymond Hatfield <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: 31 August 2019 19:10
To: John Macartney <[email-masked]>; John Macartney via =
6pack <[email-masked]>; Andrew Uprichard =
<[email-masked]>
Cc: Triumphs <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

=20

Hello Jonmac,

=20

It's been a long time since I last saw you on here, glad to see you're =
still doing well. I think this list could ask for no finer resource on =
all things Triumph than you.

=20

Take care,

Raymond.L Hatfield=20

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On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:49 PM, John Macartney via 6pack

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi, Raymond<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Great to =
hear from you again but the generous accolade is I feel perhaps a little =
misplaced?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I somehow =
dropped off the 6Pack email list some years back and periodically =
received the odd message and it seems some who I remember from the =
older(?) triumphs@autox had migrated, so thought I=E2=80=99d better tag =
along too. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I=E2=80=99m =
now entirely Triumph-less as I live in the middle of a very old English =
town in a house that was built long before the days of the car. No =
garage or chance of obtaining one in which to keep a classic car and =
I=E2=80=99ve now reached a stage in life where getting my hands filthy =
and crawling around under an old car for pleasure has very limited =
appeal. Good food, good wine and the company of interesting ladies of a =
similar age has far more appeal and come 9.00pm, it=E2=80=99s getting =
near my bedtime</span><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&#128522;</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Keep the =
posts coming. I read them all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, =
Jonmac<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> Raymond Hatfield &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> 31 August 2019 19:10<br><b>To:</b> John Macartney =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; John Macartney via 6pack =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Andrew Uprichard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [6pack] Lucas PI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello =
Jonmac,<o:p></o:p></p><div =
id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1567274869769"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1567274871482"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It's been a long time since I last saw you on here, =
glad to see you're still doing well. I think this list could ask for no =
finer resource on all things Triumph than you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1567274958275"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1567274958644"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Take care,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1567274969264"><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Raymond.L =
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2019 at 5:49 PM, John Macartney via =
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