Subject: Re: [6pack] 6pack Digest, Vol 56, Issue 14

From: tr6roadster via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:20:14 +0000 (UTC)

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 Yes I do have that schematic,=C2=A0 and like you, I believe that the relay=
 is the problem.=C2=A0 I have one coming in soon,=C2=A0 maybe today,=C2=A0 =
I'll keep you posted.=C2=A0 Thanks to everyone that has an input into my pr=
oblem.
A. Guzman"76 Java Green TR6
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 02:27:36 +0000
From: im sloane <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems
Message-ID:
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First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here. http://www.advanc=
eautowire.com/tr2506.pdf

I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple ci=
rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas=
h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg=
ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the fla=
sh-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' =
or 'off', and does the horn also blow?

Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a cir=
cuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll se=
e the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headl=
ight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is =
the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this is a=
ll definitely related.

Sloane
________________________________
From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pa=
ck <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the head=
lights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I've had the car for =
18 years,=C2=A0 daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2=
=A0 other than a bad
starter and alternator.

A. Guzman
'76 TR6-Java Green
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:36:40 -0500
From: Richard Lindsay <[email-masked]>
To: im sloane <[email-masked]>
Cc: 6pack <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems
Message-ID:
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=C2=A0 Thanks! I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane,=
 I
think you are right. The stalk switches and horn relay are likely culprits.
The kinds of quieky electrical problems that Mr. Guzman is addressing often
stem from broken grounds but a short in the stalk switches may eventually
be found. (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus the prefix 'Mr.'. Although
today, assuming a gender is PC suicide.) Anyway...
=C2=A0 Good words of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interes=
ting
gadget. It was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on
one end and a battery terminal connector on the other. The idea is to
remove the negative battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place
the other on the battery post. Any circuit except the starter could work
but an accidental short circuit would pop the fuse rather than burning the
harness - or worse.
=C2=A0 From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance to
disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays for cleaning. As we know,
the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current
from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt starter interlock.
A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn relay, shows a lot of
corrosion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to clean
all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit securely
on to the 1/4" male tabs. If not, replace them. I use SimpleGreen for
cleaning followed by brake cleaner as needed.
=C2=A0 A. also reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press o=
f
the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests a bad horn
relay. Although why the headlights flash on is more likely to be a short in
the column or associated stalk switches. Testing continues...

Rick

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here.
> http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf
>
> I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple
> circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the
> flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sendi=
ng
> negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to th=
e
> flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink
> 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?
>
> Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a
> circuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'=
ll see
> the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the
> headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit
> which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 S=
o this
> is all definitely related.
>
> Sloane
> ------------------------------
> *From:* 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of tr6roadster via
> 6pack <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM
>
> Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the
> headlights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I've had the ca=
r for
> 18 years,=C2=A0 daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2=
=A0 other
> than a bad
> starter and alternator.
>
> A. Guzman
> '76 TR6-Java Green
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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:59:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems

 Thanks for the reminder about this collection of schematics.? I've had the=
se for many years and I have referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos to =
Dan Masters who put a lot of time in research and drawing these up.
The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the main=
 power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the battery =
cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I am at a =
loss to explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in the fuse b=
lock could be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look for is a w=
ire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steering wheel.

Did you or anyone else do some work under the dash and disconnect and recon=
nect wires?
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From: im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems

#yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you have the nice=
 color schematics, found here.?http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf
I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple ci=
rcuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flas=
h-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending neg=
ative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the fla=
sh-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' =
or 'off', and does the horn also blow??
Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a cir=
cuit breaker, so? you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the=
 brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight =
switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the '=
always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this is all definit=
ely related.?
Sloane??From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of tr6roadster=
 via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM

Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.? It is the headlight=
s that blink when I press the horn button.? I've had the car for 18 years,?=
 daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,? other than a badst=
arter and alternator.??
A. Guzman'76 TR6-Java Green?_______________________________________________
Archive: http://www.team.net/archive

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sp;&nbsp; &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:BN6PR18MB1140AFE2AB23BA5002B7A4DD8EB30@B=
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div><div dir=3D"ltr">First, do you have the nice color schematics, found he=
re. <a href=3D"http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck.=
 Looking at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem there's a connection w=
ith the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is g=
oing bad, and sending negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's makin=
g its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to b=
link? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Be aware that the headlight circu=
it is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so&nbsp; you could =
be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a direct co=
nnection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also provide the=
 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove=
 box, hazard flashers).&nbsp; So this is all definitely related.<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sloane<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>________________________________<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: 6pack &lt=
;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:6pack-bo=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of tr6=
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ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry I was not too specific on describing my=
 problem.&nbsp; It is the headlights that blink when I press the horn butto=
n.&nbsp; I've had the car for 18 years,&nbsp; daily driver, never had an el=
ectrical issue until now,&nbsp; other than a bad<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
starter and alternator.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
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p;  Thanks! I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane, I<=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">think you are right. The stalk switches and horn =
relay are likely culprits.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The kinds of quieky el=
ectrical problems that Mr. Guzman is addressing often<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">stem from broken grounds but a short in the stalk switches may eventua=
lly<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">be found. (Assumption that 'A.' is male, thus=
 the prefix 'Mr.'. Although<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">today, assuming a gen=
der is PC suicide.) Anyway...<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;  Good words =
of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interesting<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">gadget. It was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and c=
lip lead on<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">one end and a battery terminal connec=
tor on the other. The idea is to<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">remove the negat=
ive battery lead, attach the clip to the cable and place<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">the other on the battery post. Any circuit except the starter coul=
d work<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">but an accidental short circuit would pop =
the fuse rather than burning the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">harness - or wor=
se.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;  From the pictures that A. sent, it wo=
uld be good maintenance to<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">disconnect the battery=
 and un-mount the relays for cleaning. As we know,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">the lower relay is the starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current<b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">from the ignition switch and helps provide the sea=
t belt starter interlock.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">A. also notes that the =
upper relay, the horn relay, shows a lot of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">corro=
sion and that he has a new one on order. Great opportunity to clean<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">all the wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they =
still fit securely<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">on to the 1/4" male tabs. If n=
ot, replace them. I use SimpleGreen for<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">cleaning =
followed by brake cleaner as needed.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp;  A. a=
lso reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press of<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests=
 a bad horn<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">relay. Although why the headlights fl=
ash on is more likely to be a short in<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">the column=
 or associated stalk switches. Testing continues...<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack &lt;<a ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">6p=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">wrote:<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; First, do you have the nice colo=
r schematics, found here.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <a href=3D"http://=
www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.advanceaut=
owire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; I'm no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at=
 the purple<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; circuit on a 76, it does seem th=
ere's a connection with the horn and the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; fla=
sh-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; negative back up thru the purple wire, and it'=
s making its way over to the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; flash-to-pass/d=
immer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow?<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Be aware that the headlight ci=
rcuit is not fused or even protected by a<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; ci=
rcuit breaker, so&nbsp; you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll s=
ee<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; the brown wires are a direct connection b=
etween the battery and the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; headlight switch,=
 and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">&gt; which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=
&nbsp; So this<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; is all definitely related.<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Sloane<br></div=
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k when I press the horn button.&nbsp; I've had the car for<br></div><div di=
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ers who put a lot of time in research and drawing these up.<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function b=
ut the main power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on t=
he battery cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass=
 I am at a loss to explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in=
 the fuse block could be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look=
 for is a wire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steer=
ing wheel.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Did you or =
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<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave <br></div><div =
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dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">#yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margi=
n-bottom:0;}First, do you have the nice color schematics, found here.?<a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I'm no elec=
trician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a =
76, it does seem there's a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass s=
witch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative back =
up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the flash-to-pass/=
dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink 'on' or 'off', a=
nd does the horn also blow??<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Be aware that the he=
adlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so? yo=
u could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see the brown wires are a d=
irect connection between the battery and the headlight switch, and also pro=
vide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the 'always' on fuse (hor=
n, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this is all definitely related.?<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">Sloane??From: 6pack &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mailto:6pack-boun=
[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">6pack-boun=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack &lt;<a ymailt=
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hat blink when I press the horn button.? I've had the car for 18 years,? da=
ily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,? other than a badstart=
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Please take this opportunity to clean all the wires and connectors.
SimpleGreen works great. Your effort will repay you.

Rick

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:20 PM tr6roadster via 6pack <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Yes I do have that schematic,  and like you, I believe that the relay is
> the problem.  I have one coming in soon,  maybe today,  I'll keep you
> posted.  Thanks to everyone that has an input into my problem.
>
> A. Guzman
> "76 Java Green TR6
>
> On Friday, September 13, 2019, 08:01:27 AM EDT, <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>     [email-masked]
>
>     [email-masked]
>
>   1. Re: Electrical problems (im sloane)
>   2. Re: Electrical problems (Richard Lindsay)
>   3. Re: Electrical problems (DAVID MASSEY)
>
>
>     <
> [email-masked]
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending
> negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the
> circuit breaker, so  you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see
> which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).  So this
> From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of tr6roadster via
> Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.  It is the
> headlights that blink when I press the horn button.  I've had the car for
> 18 years,  daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,  other
> than a bad
> starter and alternator.
>
> A. Guzman
> '76 TR6-Java Green
> URL: <
> http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/134f4bcd/attachment-0001.html
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>   Thanks! I have seen those schematics but didn't have a copy. Sloane, I
>   Good words of caution about un-fused circuits. I once saw an interesting
>   From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance to
>   A. also reports that although the horn relay 'clicks' at the press of
> > flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and
> sending
> > negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to
> the
> > circuit breaker, so  you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll
> see
> > which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).  So
> this
> > Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.  It is the
> > headlights that blink when I press the horn button.  I've had the car for
> > 18 years,  daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,  other
> > than a bad
> > starter and alternator.
> >
> > A. Guzman
> > '76 TR6-Java Green
> > Suggested annual donation  $12.96
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> http://autox.team.net/pipermail/6pack/attachments/20190913/51739ede/attachment-0001.html
> >
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> Message-ID: <[email-masked]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Thanks for the reminder about this collection of schematics.? I've had
> these for many years and I have referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos
> to Dan Masters who put a lot of time in research and drawing these up.
> The Purple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the
> main power for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the
> battery cable so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I
> am at a loss to explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in
> the fuse block could be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look
> for is a wire-to-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the
> steering wheel.
>
> Did you or anyone else do some work under the dash and disconnect and
> reconnect wires?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> #yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you have the
> nice color schematics, found here.?
> flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending
> negative back up thru the purple wire, and it's making its way over to the
> 'on' or 'off', and does the horn also blow??
> circuit breaker, so? you could be treading in dangerous waters. You'll see
> which is the 'always' on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this
> is all definitely related.?
> Sloane??From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of
> tr6roadster via 6pack <[email-masked]>
> Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.? It is the
> headlights that blink when I press the horn button.? I've had the car for
> 18 years,? daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now,? other
> than a badstarter and alternator.??
> Suggested annual donation? $12.96
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<div dir=3D"auto">Please take this opportunity to clean all the wires and c=
onnectors. SimpleGreen works great. Your effort will repay you.<div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 12:20 PM =
tr6roadster via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">6pack@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v class=3D"m_-5528140093240179155ydp65f19fc1yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font=
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v>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Yes I do have that schematic,=C2=A0 and like you, =
I believe that the relay is the problem.=C2=A0 I have one coming in soon,=
=C2=A0 maybe today,=C2=A0 I&#39;ll keep you posted.=C2=A0 Thanks to everyon=
e that has an input into my problem.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">A. Guzman</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&quot;76 Java Green TR6</div><di=
v><br></div>
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859-1&quot;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">First, do =
you have the nice color schematics, found here. <a href=3D"http://www.advan=
ceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://www.=
advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking=
 at the purple circuit on a 76, it does seem there&#39;s a connection with =
the horn and the flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going=
 bad, and sending negative back up thru the purple wire, and it&#39;s makin=
g its way over to the flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to b=
link? Do they blink &#39;on&#39; or &#39;off&#39;, and does the horn also b=
low?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Be aware that the=
 headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a circuit breaker, so=
=C2=A0 you could be treading in dangerous waters. You&#39;ll see the brown =
wires are a direct connection between the battery and the headlight switch,=
 and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is the &#39;alw=
ays&#39; on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this is all d=
efinitely related.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Slo=
ane<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">________________________________<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">From: 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; on behalf of tr6roadster via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry I was not too specific on=
 describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the headlights that blink when I press =
the horn button.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve had the car for 18 years,=C2=A0 daily drive=
r, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2=A0 other than a bad<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">starter and alternator.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">A. Guzman<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&#39;76 TR6-Java Gr=
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r">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [6pa=
ck] Electrical problems<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;CAOc+-dwgYJrdFXEUwTYU4QvYQWtY8_ki=3DJXv=
zQk54=3D<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cont=
ent-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0  Thanks! I have seen those schematics bu=
t didn&#39;t have a copy. Sloane, I<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">think you are=
 right. The stalk switches and horn relay are likely culprits.<br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">The kinds of quieky electrical problems that Mr. Guzman is ad=
dressing often<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">stem from broken grounds but a sho=
rt in the stalk switches may eventually<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">be found.=
 (Assumption that &#39;A.&#39; is male, thus the prefix &#39;Mr.&#39;. Alth=
ough<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">today, assuming a gender is PC suicide.) Any=
way...<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0  Good words of caution about un-fus=
ed circuits. I once saw an interesting<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">gadget. It=
 was a fuse holder, with a 20A fuse installed, and clip lead on<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">one end and a battery terminal connector on the other. The i=
dea is to<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">remove the negative battery lead, attac=
h the clip to the cable and place<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">the other on th=
e battery post. Any circuit except the starter could work<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">but an accidental short circuit would pop the fuse rather than bur=
ning the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">harness - or worse.<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=C2=A0  From the pictures that A. sent, it would be good maintenance =
to<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">disconnect the battery and un-mount the relays=
 for cleaning. As we know,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">the lower relay is the=
 starter relay. It keeps starter solenoid current<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>from the ignition switch and helps provide the seat belt starter interlock=
.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">A. also notes that the upper relay, the horn re=
lay, shows a lot of<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">corrosion and that he has a n=
ew one on order. Great opportunity to clean<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">all t=
he wires and Lucar connectors and verify that they still fit securely<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">on to the 1/4&quot; male tabs. If not, replace them. I=
 use SimpleGreen for<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">cleaning followed by brake c=
leaner as needed.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0  A. also reports that al=
though the horn relay &#39;clicks&#39; at the press of<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">the horn push, the horns do not sound. This again suggests a bad horn=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">relay. Although why the headlights flash on is m=
ore likely to be a short in<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">the column or associa=
ted stalk switches. Testing continues...<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 10:43 PM im sloane via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; First, do you have the nice color schematics, =
found here.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.advanceaut=
owire.com/tr2506.pdf" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://www.advan=
ceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I&#39;m no electrician, but have had pretty good luck. Loo=
king at the purple<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; circuit on a 76, it does =
seem there&#39;s a connection with the horn and the<br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">&gt; flash-to-pass switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and=
 sending<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; negative back up thru the purple wi=
re, and it&#39;s making its way over to the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; =
flash-to-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; &#39;on&#39; or &#39;off&#39;, and does the ho=
rn also blow?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;=
 Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a<br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; circuit breaker, so=C2=A0 you could be treadin=
g in dangerous waters. You&#39;ll see<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; the br=
own wires are a direct connection between the battery and the<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">&gt; headlight switch, and also provide the 12v power to the p=
urple circuit<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; which is the &#39;always&#39; =
on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).=C2=A0 So this<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; is all definitely related.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Sloane<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; ---------=
---------------------<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; *From:* 6pack &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of tr6roadster via<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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iv><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:13 PM<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Sorry I was not to=
o specific on describing my problem.=C2=A0 It is the<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">&gt; headlights that blink when I press the horn button.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve=
 had the car for<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; 18 years,=C2=A0 daily drive=
r, never had an electrical issue until now,=C2=A0 other<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; than a bad<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; starter and alterna=
tor.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; A. Guzma=
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 MASSEY &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"=
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[email-masked]</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [6pack] Electri=
cal problems<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:90=
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v dir=3D"ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> Thanks for the reminder abou=
t this collection of schematics.? I&#39;ve had these for many years and I h=
ave referred to them on many occasions.? Kudos to Dan Masters who put a lot=
 of time in research and drawing these up.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The Pu=
rple wire feeds the horns and the Flash-to-Pass function but the main power=
 for the headlights comes directly from the power tap on the battery cable =
so unless you are driving around holding the Flash-to-Pass I am at a loss t=
o explain a direct interconnection.? A dodgy connection in the fuse block c=
ould be the cause if it were otherwise.? Something to look for is a wire-to=
-wire short in the harnesses that lead down from the steering wheel.<br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Did you or anyone else do so=
me work under the dash and disconnect and reconnect wires?<br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dave <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"> <br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">-----Original Message-----<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: im sloane via=
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ct: Re: [6pack] Electrical problems<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">#yiv4335451509 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}First, do you=
 have the nice color schematics, found here.?<a href=3D"http://www.advancea=
utowire.com/tr2506.pdf" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">http://www.adv=
anceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m no electr=
ician, but have had pretty good luck. Looking at the purple circuit on a 76=
, it does seem there&#39;s a connection with the horn and the flash-to-pass=
 switch. Could it be your horn relay is going bad, and sending negative bac=
k up thru the purple wire, and it&#39;s making its way over to the flash-to=
-pass/dimmer switch, causing your lights to blink? Do they blink &#39;on&#3=
9; or &#39;off&#39;, and does the horn also blow??<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Be aware that the headlight circuit is not fused or even protected by a c=
ircuit breaker, so? you could be treading in dangerous waters. You&#39;ll s=
ee the brown wires are a direct connection between the battery and the head=
light switch, and also provide the 12v power to the purple circuit which is=
 the &#39;always&#39; on fuse (horn, glove box, hazard flashers).? So this =
is all definitely related.?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sloane??From: 6pack &=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry I was not too specific on describing my problem.? It=
 is the headlights that blink when I press the horn button.? I&#39;ve had t=
he car for 18 years,? daily driver, never had an electrical issue until now=
,? other than a badstarter and alternator.??<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">A. G=
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