Subject: Re: [6pack] VINs

From: Glenn Rattmann via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 14:48:51 -0800

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Andrew, what flavor of TR is it?

My 74.5 TR6 which I bought new has factory OD and the number is CF+5 
digits+UO suffix (that's "Oh" the letter, and not zero)-- as expected.

Oddly enough, I have another 74.5 without OD (which had 2 DPOs) , and 
its VIN suffix is just the letter U, factory nameplate on the driver 
door post as expected.
However, somebody (not me) along the way had entered the letter V 
instead of the U, so the pink slip is wrong and my insurance cards 
are also wrong.
I didn't notice this myself 'til a couple of years ago.

There is a process in CA DMV to fix this, but it will require an 
appointment with one of their inspector guys.  When folks sell a car, 
they usually write some information
on the sales form by hand, and so that is likely how the U became 
"like" a V.  After that the DMV data entry person in Sacramento 
interpreted and typed it as a V, I  assume.

-Glenn/San Diego
74.5

At 01:13 PM 11/6/2019, you wrote:

>I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory 
>overdrive.  The old title appropriately ended "LO", but I was told 
>that "Os" and "Is" are no longer acceptable in titles.  So I had to 
>change the VIN (on the title) to "L0".  Then I had to call the 
>insurance company to explain the same story to them and have them 
>send me a proof of insurance with "L0".
>
>Anyone else come across this?  Maybe it has been going on for 
>years:  I have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
>
>Andrew Uprichard
>Jackson, MI

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<font size=3>Andrew, what flavor of TR is it?<br><br>
My 74.5 TR6 which I bought new has factory OD and the number is CF+5
digits+UO suffix (that's &quot;Oh&quot; the letter, and not zero)-- as
expected.<br><br>
Oddly enough, I have another 74.5 without OD (which had 2 DPOs) , and its
VIN suffix is just the letter U, factory nameplate on the driver door
post as expected.<br>
However, somebody (not me) along the way had entered the letter V instead
of the U, so the pink slip is wrong and my insurance cards are also
wrong.<br>
I didn't notice this myself 'til a couple of years ago.<br><br>
There is a process in CA DMV to fix this, but it will require an
appointment with one of their inspector guys.&nbsp; When folks sell a
car, they usually write some information <br>
on the sales form by hand, and so that is likely how the U became
&quot;like&quot; a V.&nbsp; After that the DMV data entry person in
Sacramento interpreted and typed it as a V, I&nbsp; assume.&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br><br>
-Glenn/San Diego<br>
74.5<br><br>
At 01:13 PM 11/6/2019, you wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I just went to get a title on a
TR which came with a factory overdrive.&nbsp; The old title appropriately
ended “LO”, but I was told that “Os” and “Is” are no longer acceptable in
titles.&nbsp; So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to “L0”.&nbsp;
Then I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story to
them and have them send me a proof of insurance with “L0”.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Anyone else come across this?&nbsp; Maybe it has been going on for
years:&nbsp; I have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory
one.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Andrew Uprichard<br>
Jackson, MI</font></blockquote></body>
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From: Greg Lemon via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:52:25 -0600

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"My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN"

Must make for an interesting Carfax report

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 5:03 PM wbeech <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Jonas,
>
> My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN.  Seems when they
> ordered the blank VIN plates there was a sample number inserted that got
> replicated.  Had a brief skirmish with the insurance company before getti=
ng
> a letter from MMC explaining it.  DMV used the 5 digit chassis number
> without any questions.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *
> [email-masked]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:10 PM
> *To:* 'Andrew Uprichard' <[email-masked]>; 'Triumphs' <
> [email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] VINs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Andrew,
>
>
>
> I have seen many mangled =E2=80=9CVIN Numbers=E2=80=9D on vintage car tit=
les.
>
>
>
> Apparently when DMV=E2=80=99s across the country became computerized, the=
re was no
> standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5
> digit serial number.
>
>
>
> The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert 13
> zeros in front of the 4 digit serial number.
>
>
>
> I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag
> number
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>
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>
>
> Jonas Payne
>
> PBR Consulting Services, LLC
>
> 702.882.6711
>
>
>
> *We have Moved!*
>
> Our new offices are locted at:
>
>
>
> 3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13
>
> Las Vegas, NV 89120
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Uprichard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM
> *To:* 'Triumphs' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* [TR] VINs
>
>
>
> I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.
> The old title appropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I was told th=
at =E2=80=9COs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D
> are no longer acceptable in titles.  So I had to change the VIN (on the
> title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D.  Then I had to call the insurance company=
 to explain the
> same story to them and have them send me a proof of insurance with =E2=80=
=9CL0=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> Anyone else come across this?  Maybe it has been going on for years:  I
> have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-seri=
f;font-size:12.8px">&quot;My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 dig=
it VIN&quot;</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"=
>Must make for an interesting Carfax report</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"=
><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);fon=
t-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Greg Lemon=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12.8px">TR250</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 5:03 PM wbeech &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purp=
le"><div class=3D"m_7615099030354052932WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Jonas,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">My Morgan is one of hundreds with t=
he same 17 digit VIN.=C2=A0 Seems when they ordered the blank VIN plates th=
ere was a sample number inserted that got replicated.=C2=A0 Had a brief ski=
rmish with the insurance company before getting a letter from MMC explainin=
g it.=C2=A0 DMV used the 5 digit chassis number without any questions.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Bi=
ll<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f4=
97d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none=
;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednes=
day, November 6, 2019 4:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Andrew Uprichard&#39; &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; &#39;Triumphs&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumph=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re:=
 [TR] VINs<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Andrew,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I have seen many mangled =E2=80=9CVIN Numbers=E2=80=9D =
on vintage car titles.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Apparently when DMV=E2=80=99s across t=
he country became computerized, there was no standard on how to input 17 di=
gits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5 digit serial number.=C2=A0 <u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert =
13 zeros in front of the 4 digit serial number.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had a 1964 =
AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag number<u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jonas Payne<u></u><u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">PBR Consulting Services, LLC<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">702.882.6711<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>We have Moved!<u></u><u><=
/u></i></b></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Our new offices are locted at:<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Las Vegas, NV 89120<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.=
0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of <=
/b>Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM<br>=
<b>To:</b> &#39;Triumphs&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">6=
[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] VINs<u></u><u></u></p></div=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">I just went=
 to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.=C2=A0 The old =
title appropriately ended =E2=80=9CLO=E2=80=9D, but I was told that =E2=80=
=9COs=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CIs=E2=80=9D are no longer acceptable in titles.=
=C2=A0 So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D.=
=C2=A0 Then I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story t=
o them and have them send me a proof of insurance with =E2=80=9CL0=E2=80=9D=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif=
">Anyone else come across this?=C2=A0 Maybe it has been going on for years:=
=C2=A0 I have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">An=
drew Uprichard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Jackson, MI<u></u><u></u=
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