Subject: Re: [6pack] These new sun visors suck

From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 18:09:30 -0600

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Hi Sloane,
   I bought those too, if from Moss, but they're still in the boxes.

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 6:07 PM im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Hey,
> I received a new set of visors and the bar kit from TRF. Wow do they suck?
> I wrote them and asked if I'm missing something. They just hang on the
> bars, no tension, nothing to keep them folded up. The internal design is
> nothing like the original, something TRF usually brags about. I logged into
> Moss and noticed they are apparently selling the TRF manufactured part. You
> can actually see TRF engraved on the bar in the Moss photo. Anybody had any
> better luck with these. At this point I'm keeping my old ones.
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Sloane,<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I bought those t=
oo, if from Moss, but they&#39;re still in the boxes.=C2=A0</div></div><br>=
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b 2, 2020, 6:07 PM im sloane via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
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Hey,</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
I received a new set of visors and the bar kit from TRF. Wow do they suck? =
I wrote them and asked if I&#39;m missing something. They just hang on the =
bars, no tension, nothing to keep them folded up. The internal design is no=
thing like the original, something TRF
 usually brags about. I logged into Moss and noticed they are apparently se=
lling the TRF manufactured part. You can actually see TRF engraved on the b=
ar in the Moss photo. Anybody had any better luck with these. At this point=
 I&#39;m keeping my old ones.=C2=A0</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
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From: John Zimmerman via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 19:15:37 -0500

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I think there are metal sleeves in the visors. You need to crimp these to ad=
d tension / grip. An application of Velcro will also hold them in the up pos=
ition when open top driving.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2020, at 7:07 PM, im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> Hey,
> I received a new set of visors and the bar kit from TRF. Wow do they suck?=
 I wrote them and asked if I'm missing something. They just hang on the bars=
, no tension, nothing to keep them folded up. The internal design is nothing=
 like the original, something TRF usually brags about. I logged into Moss an=
d noticed they are apparently selling the TRF manufactured part. You can act=
ually see TRF engraved on the bar in the Moss photo. Anybody had any better l=
uck with these. At this point I'm keeping my old ones.=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I think there are metal sleeves in the viso=
rs. You need to crimp these to add tension / grip. An application of Velcro w=
ill also hold them in the up position when open top driving.<div><br><br><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">On Feb 2, 2020, at 7:07 PM, im sloane via 6pack &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

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Hey,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I received a new set of visors and the bar kit from TRF. Wow do they suck? I=
 wrote them and asked if I'm missing something. They just hang on the bars, n=
o tension, nothing to keep them folded up. The internal design is nothing li=
ke the original, something TRF
 usually brags about. I logged into Moss and noticed they are apparently sel=
ling the TRF manufactured part. You can actually see TRF engraved on the bar=
 in the Moss photo. Anybody had any better luck with these. At this point I'=
m keeping my old ones.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
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olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Sloane&nbsp;</div>
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69-Six</div>
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Sent from my iPhone

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From: Robert Lang via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 11:13:57 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi - If you have one or more original sun visors that you can "donate" to =
research, pull out the bar and examine it closely. On my car (original owne=
r), the bar had a slight curve to it over the length of the bar. When I got=
 new visors way back (like at least 15 years ago), I pulled the bars out to=
 transfer to the new visors and upon examination thought - "crud, somehow, =
I bent the bar" and proceeded to straighten it. Carefully. That sucker was =
arrow-straight by the time I was done re-forming it. I installed it in the =
car. Well, then the new visor just hung there in the down position and more=
 or less just flopped around. I tried crimping the metal tube that's inside=
 the visor with very limited success. Eventually, I put two and two togethe=
r and realized the error in my ways - that I had straightened the metal bar=
 and thus there was no tension to keep the visor from flapping / flopping.
Just as a warning - when I tried to crimp the metal tube, I would up making=
 tooth marks from the pliers in the visor. Normally, I go for function over=
 form, but for some reason those marks made me a little crazy. Well, crazie=
r than normal. In any case, if you try to crimp do so with the caution that=
 you might make noticeable marks in the visor. You've been warned.
To be honest, I'm really glad these became visors available again and I am =
grateful that TRF made the effort to make them available. 'Nuff sed. So, tr=
y to see if your old visor bars had that little hook in them and see if you=
 can transfer that dimension to the new parts.

Regards,Bob LangTR6's

    On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 7:07:21 PM EST, im sloane via 6pack <6pack=
@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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  Hey,I received a new set of visors and the bar kit from TRF. Wow do they =
suck? I wrote them and asked if I'm missing something. They just hang on th=
e bars, no tension, nothing to keep them folded up. The internal design is =
nothing like the original, something TRF usually brags about. I logged into=
 Moss and noticed they are apparently selling the TRF manufactured part. Yo=
u can actually see TRF engraved on the bar in the Moss photo. Anybody had a=
ny better luck with these. At this point I'm keeping my old ones.=C2=A0
Sloane=C2=A069-Six72-Spit=C2=A0____________________________________________=
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp5d026205yahoo-style-wrap" style=
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3px;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi - If you have one or more=
 original sun visors that you can "donate" to research, pull out the bar an=
d examine it closely. On my car (original owner), the bar had a slight curv=
e to it over the length of the bar. When I got new visors way back (like at=
 least 15 years ago), I pulled the bars out to transfer to the new visors a=
nd upon examination thought - "crud, somehow, I bent the bar" and proceeded=
 to straighten it. Carefully. That sucker was arrow-straight by the time I =
was done re-forming it. I installed it in the car. Well, then the new visor=
 just hung there in the down position and more or less just flopped around.=
 I tried crimping the metal tube that's inside the visor with very limited =
success. Eventually, I put two and two together and realized the error in m=
y ways - that I had straightened the metal bar and thus there was no tensio=
n to keep the visor from flapping / flopping.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Just as a w=
arning - when I tried to crimp the metal tube, I would up making tooth mark=
s from the pliers in the visor. Normally, I go for function over form, but =
for some reason those marks made me a little crazy. Well, crazier than norm=
al. In any case, if you try to crimp do so with the caution that you might =
make noticeable marks in the visor. You've been warned.</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">T=
o be honest, I'm really glad these became visors available again and I am g=
rateful that TRF made the effort to make them available. 'Nuff sed. So, try=
 to see if your old visor bars had that little hook in them and see if you =
can transfer that dimension to the new parts.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Regards=
,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">TR6's<br></div><div><br></div>
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Hey,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I received a new set of visors and the bar kit from TRF. Wow do they suck? =
I wrote them and asked if I'm missing something. They just hang on the bars=
, no tension, nothing to keep them folded up. The internal design is nothin=
g like the original, something TRF
 usually brags about. I logged into Moss and noticed they are apparently se=
lling the TRF manufactured part. You can actually see TRF engraved on the b=
ar in the Moss photo. Anybody had any better luck with these. At this point=
 I'm keeping my old ones.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Sloane&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
69-Six</div>
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72-Spit&nbsp;</div>
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From: im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 12:09:33 +0000

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Bob,
I wonder if the internal design on my original 69 visors is different? My i=
nternal foam was so gone, I could 'feel' the inner bar went down into the f=
oam in a T shape. The outer bar can be removed. It apparently pushes into t=
he inner bar in a male/female sort of configuration, and this is where the =
tension occurs. (no pun intended) I had attempted to reuse my original viso=
rs by filling them with "Great Stuff" expanding foam sealer. This actually =
worked pretty well, although not quite as pretty as I'd hoped. I'm honestly=
 thinking about using them as is.

My brother has had issues with the new design visors. The passenger one rat=
tles badly, and now it's inner bar has been pushed all the way in. We haven=
't taken it down to attempt to retrieve it. All the above is why I was skep=
tical of the new design. I do agree, they're better than nothing. It's too =
bad TRF doesn't ship them with the outer rod pre-bent. I think I'm just goi=
ng to return them.

thanks all,
Sloane

________________________________
From: Robert Lang <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 11:13 AM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; im sloane <im_sloane@hotma=
il.com>
Subject: Re: [6pack] These new sun visors suck

Hi - If you have one or more original sun visors that you can "donate" to r=
esearch, pull out the bar and examine it closely. On my car (original owner=
), the bar had a slight curve to it over the length of the bar. When I got =
new visors way back (like at least 15 years ago), I pulled the bars out to =
transfer to the new visors and upon examination thought - "crud, somehow, I=
 bent the bar" and proceeded to straighten it. Carefully. That sucker was a=
rrow-straight by the time I was done re-forming it. I installed it in the c=
ar. Well, then the new visor just hung there in the down position and more =
or less just flopped around. I tried crimping the metal tube that's inside =
the visor with very limited success. Eventually, I put two and two together=
 and realized the error in my ways - that I had straightened the metal bar =
and thus there was no tension to keep the visor from flapping / flopping.

Regards,
Bob Lang
TR6's

On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 7:07:21 PM EST, im sloane via 6pack <6pack@aut=
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Bob,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I wonder if the internal design on my original 69 visors is different? My i=
nternal foam was so gone, I could 'feel' the inner bar went down into the f=
oam in a T shape. The outer bar can be removed. It apparently pushes into t=
he inner bar in a male/female sort
 of configuration, and this is where the tension occurs. (no pun intended) =
I had attempted to reuse my original visors by filling them with &quot;Grea=
t Stuff&quot; expanding foam sealer. This actually worked pretty well, alth=
ough not quite as pretty as I'd hoped. I'm
 honestly thinking about using them as is.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
My brother has had issues with the new design visors. The passenger one rat=
tles badly, and now it's inner bar has been pushed all the way in. We haven=
't taken it down to attempt to retrieve it. All the above is why I was skep=
tical of the new design. I do agree,
 they're better than nothing. It's too bad TRF doesn't ship them with the o=
uter rod pre-bent. I think I'm just going to return them.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
thanks&nbsp;all,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;=
 color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Sloane&nbsp;</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi - If you have one or more original sun visors that you =
can &quot;donate&quot; to research, pull out the bar and examine it closely=
. On my car (original owner), the bar had a slight curve to it over the len=
gth of the bar. When I got new visors way back
 (like at least 15 years ago), I pulled the bars out to transfer to the new=
 visors and upon examination thought - &quot;crud, somehow, I bent the bar&=
quot; and proceeded to straighten it. Carefully. That sucker was arrow-stra=
ight by the time I was done re-forming it.
 I installed it in the car. Well, then the new visor just hung there in the=
 down position and more or less just flopped around. I tried crimping the m=
etal tube that's inside the visor with very limited success. Eventually, I =
put two and two together and realized
 the error in my ways - that I had straightened the metal bar and thus ther=
e was no tension to keep the visor from flapping / flopping.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Just as a warning - when I tried to crimp the metal tube, =
I would up making tooth marks from the pliers in the visor. Normally, I go =
for function over form, but for some reason those marks made me a little cr=
azy. Well, crazier than normal. In
 any case, if you try to crimp do so with the caution that you might make n=
oticeable marks in the visor. You've been warned.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">To be honest, I'm really glad these became visors availabl=
e again and I am grateful that TRF made the effort to make them available. =
'Nuff sed. So, try to see if your old visor bars had that little hook in th=
em and see if you can transfer that
 dimension to the new parts.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Regards,</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Lang</div>
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