Subject: Re: [6pack] Master Cylinder Rebuild

From: Richard Lindsay via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 07:58:54 -0500

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Hello Bob, *et al.*,

   Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are relaxing the
stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are beginning to venture
out, if still maintaining safe separation. The 'younglings' seem to think
an *All Clear* has been sounded and they're back face to face. I wish them
luck.

   I have had two, fresh from the box,  M/Cs fail then a third, working
fine. I don't wish to directly name and disparage the vendor since they are
always quite willing to make things right, but their name does grow on the
'north side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why I am writing is to
ask is: How did your M/Cs fail?
   In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front brake
circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the rear
brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid
through either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works
great today!

   Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someone in China
just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C
"fail catastrophically?"

-rick

On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack <[email-masked]=
t>
wrote:

> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of
> quarantine.  It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the stay a=
t home
> order will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but some
> business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.
>         I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. In th=
e past
> I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to h=
ave them
> catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.  I=E2=80=99m figuring th=
at I can
> improve on that record.  When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to revie=
w
> the rebuild process the article recommended red grease.  I don=E2=80=99t =
have any,
> but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.  In the absence of red brake
> grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or
> should i bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.  About the only re=
d
> grease I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus
> $8.00 shipping.
>         Any advice would be appreciated.
>         Best,
>         Bob
>         =E2=80=9972 TR6
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hello Bob, <i>et al.</i>,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Glad you&#39;re well. Here is south Texas w=
e too are relaxing the stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) ar=
e beginning to venture out, if still maintaining safe separation. The &#39;=
younglings&#39; seem to think an <i>All Clear</i> has been sounded and they=
&#39;re back face to face. I wish them luck.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have had two, fresh from the box,=C2=A0=
 M/Cs fail then a third, working fine. I don&#39;t wish to directly name an=
d disparage the vendor since they are always quite willing to make things r=
ight, but their name does grow on the &#39;north side of the tree&#39;. The=
 question I ponder and why I am writing is to ask is: How did your M/Cs fai=
l?</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0In one of my unit&#39;s failures, fr=
esh from the box, the front brake circuit worked fine (that&#39;s the one c=
loser to the booster) but the rear brake circuit would flow no fluid. The s=
econd unit would flow no fluid through either circuit! The third M/C worked=
 perfectly and still works great today!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cy=
linders? Someone in China just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thu=
s I ask: How did your M/C &quot;fail catastrophically?&quot;</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div>-rick</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 17, 202=
0, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of qu=
arantine.=C2=A0 It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the stay =
at home order will be=C2=A0 completely lifted for several of more weeks, bu=
t some business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with maste=
r cylinders. In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputab=
le rebuilders only to have them catastrophically fail soon after reinstalla=
tion.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m figuring that I can improve on that record.=C2=A0 W=
hen I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process the ar=
ticle recommended red grease.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do have=
 Volvo silicone breaks grease.=C2=A0 In the absence of red brake grease can=
 I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should i bite t=
he bullet and get the red brake grease.=C2=A0 About the only red grease I c=
ould fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 shippin=
g. <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Any advice would be appreciated. <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Best,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bob <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9972 TR6<br>
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From: Robert Rochlin via 6pack <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 09:44:02 -0400

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Hi Richard,
	I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a =
complete rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6.  As I =
recall it worked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling out =
of the garage and the brakes totally failed.  The TR6 rolled int my P/U =
truck dented the door, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very =
expensive afternoon. I sent the m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time =
to kill while the body shop fixed the TR6.  They rebuilt the m/c again =
gratis and I reinstalled it.  After about 8 months the m/c started to =
fail again, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I replaced it with a new Girling and it =
has gone several seasons working fine but now I=E2=80=99m getting the =
slow sinking pedal. Before replacing it again I am going to replace the =
seals myself.
	  Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt =
components including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers,  =
I=E2=80=99ll never send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
	Best,
	Bob

> On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hello Bob, et al.,
>=20
>    Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are relaxing the =
stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are beginning to =
venture out, if still maintaining safe separation. The 'younglings' seem =
to think an All Clear has been sounded and they're back face to face. I =
wish them luck.
>=20
>    I have had two, fresh from the box,  M/Cs fail then a third, =
working fine. I don't wish to directly name and disparage the vendor =
since they are always quite willing to make things right, but their name =
does grow on the 'north side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why =
I am writing is to ask is: How did your M/Cs fail?
>    In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front brake =
circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the rear =
brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid =
through either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works =
great today!
>=20
>    Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someone in =
China just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How did =
your M/C "fail catastrophically?"
>=20
> -rick
>=20
> On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack =
> I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this time of =
quarantine.  It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the stay =
at home order will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but =
some business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.
>         I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. In =
the past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders =
only to have them catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.  =
I=E2=80=99m figuring that I can improve on that record.  When I went to =
the Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process the article =
recommended red grease.  I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do have Volvo =
silicone breaks grease.  In the absence of red brake grease can I just =
apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should i bite the =
bullet and get the red brake grease.  About the only red grease I could =
fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 shipping.=20=

>         Any advice would be appreciated.=20
>         Best,
>         Bob=20
>         =E2=80=9972 TR6
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
Richard,<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>I sent my m/c off to a reputable =
(I thought ) rebuilder for a complete rebuild and installed it back =
installed it in the TR6. &nbsp;As I recall it worked fine for a short =
time and then on day I was puling out of the garage and the brakes =
totally failed. &nbsp;The TR6 rolled int my P/U truck dented the door, =
and pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very expensive afternoon. I =
sent the m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time to kill while the body =
shop fixed the TR6. &nbsp;They rebuilt the m/c again gratis and I =
reinstalled it. &nbsp;After about 8 months the m/c started to fail =
again, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I replaced it with a new Girling and it has =
gone several seasons working fine but now I=E2=80=99m getting the slow =
sinking pedal. Before replacing it again I am going to replace the seals =
myself.</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;Although I=E2=80=99ve =
had good luck with several rebuilt components including starters, =
carburetors, shocks, and distributers, &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll never send a =
master cylinder to a rebuilder again.</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May =
17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hello Bob, <i class=3D"">et =
al.</i>,</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Glad you're well. Here is south =
Texas we too are relaxing the stay-at-home order and the older people =
(like me) are beginning to venture out, if still maintaining safe =
separation. The 'younglings' seem to think an <i class=3D"">All =
Clear</i> has been sounded and they're back face to face. I wish them =
luck.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;I have had two, fresh from the =
box,&nbsp; M/Cs fail then a third, working fine. I don't wish to =
directly name and disparage the vendor since they are always quite =
willing to make things right, but their name does grow on the 'north =
side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why I am writing is to ask =
is: How did your M/Cs fail?</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; =
&nbsp;In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front brake =
circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the rear =
brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid =
through either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works =
great today!</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp;Did I get two poorly or incorrectly =
rebuilt cylinders? Someone in China just make mistakes? Did I do =
something wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C "fail =
catastrophically?"</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>-rick</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via =
6pack &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I hope everyone is =
hanging in there and doing well in this time of quarantine.&nbsp; It =
down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the stay at home order =
will be&nbsp; completely lifted for several of more weeks, but some =
business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.<br class=3D"">
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with =
master cylinders. In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by =
reputable rebuilders only to have them catastrophically fail soon after =
reinstallation.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m figuring that I can improve on that =
record.&nbsp; When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review the =
rebuild process the article recommended red grease.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t =
have any, but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.&nbsp; In the =
absence of red brake grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to =
do the rebuild or should i bite the bullet and get the red brake =
grease.&nbsp; About the only red grease I could fine was on Amazon and =
it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 shipping. <br class=3D"">
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Any advice would be appreciated. <br =
class=3D"">
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Best,<br class=3D"">
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bob <br class=3D"">
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From: Rochlin Robert via 6pack <[email-masked]>
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	Thanks for all the informed replies. I very much appreciate the =
advice.  I did source hydraulic assembly grease form British Parts =
Northwest and will attempt to rebuild the master, and if that fails to =
repair the problem, I=E2=80=99ll source a new one.  This is kind of one =
of those =E2=80=9CThe journey is more important the destination=E2=80=9D =
projects while I=E2=80=99m sticking around the house
	The master cylinder that I had totally fail had been re-sleeved =
as part of the original rebuild process.  We are fortunate to have an =
array of options in repairing our old Triumph cars. In watching =
automobile restoration shows, Im amazed at the lengths and expense that =
restorers have to go to get replacement parts.  In most cases we are =
only a phone call (mouse click) away from a part.
	After the m/c rebuild is finished I'll have caught up with the =
necessary maintenance on my cars and will move on to unnecessary =
maintenance.
	Thanks again all for the help and suggestions. Stay safe.
	Best,
	Bob=20
	=E2=80=9972 Tr6

> On May 17, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Don Hiscock <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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> Why bother to rebuild an old one when new ones are available?  I like =
the finish on the original Girling master cylinders, and I trust a =
brass-sleeved original more than a modern Chinese knockoff.  The price =
for something I'll likely do once in my life isn't a big consideration.  =
That my car still has the master cylinders it was build with makes me =
happy.
>=20
> But Standard-Triumph always appealed to "frugal" owners, so I get that =
a simple drop-in chinesium replica will be attractive to many owners.
>=20
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 11:46 AM DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked] =
> If a new master cylinder is available, why bother with trying to =
rebuild an old one? I know that a rebuild kit is just a few dollars, but =
sending it off to have it rebuilt adds a lot to the cost.  I have never =
rebuilt a master that was available new.  Time is money and bent panels =
and paint repair are too, beside being dangerous.  I learned very early =
in my mechanic learning to renew the brake fluid at least on an annual =
basis.  This saves components from failure and adds long life to them.  =
Wilwood and others make excellent replacement masters for the TR3 and =
they are at the most $80 new.  At this cost, it does not make sense to =
rebuild one.  I understand the TR6 has a different style master and may =
be more costly.=20
> Good luck for good brakes.=20
> Dave H.
>> On May 17, 2020 at 6:44 AM Robert Rochlin <[email-masked] =
>>=20
>> Hi Richard,
>>   Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt components =
including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers,  I=E2=80=99ll =
never send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
>> Best,
>> Bob=20
>>=20
>>> On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay < =
>>>=20
>>> Hello Bob, et al.,
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -rick
>>>=20
>>> On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack < =
quarantine.  It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusetts the stay =
at home order will be  completely lifted for several of more weeks, but =
some business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.=20
>>>         I=E2=80=99ve had a checkered history with master cylinders. =
In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable =
rebuilders only to have them catastrophically fail soon after =
reinstallation.  I=E2=80=99m figuring that I can improve on that record. =
 When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process =
the article recommended red grease.  I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do =
have Volvo silicone breaks grease.  In the absence of red brake grease =
can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should i =
bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.  About the only red grease =
I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus $8.00 =
shipping.=20
>>>         Best,=20
>>>         =E2=80=9972 TR6=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Thanks for all the informed =
replies. I very much appreciate the advice. &nbsp;I did source hydraulic =
assembly grease form British Parts Northwest and will attempt to rebuild =
the master, and if that fails to repair the problem, I=E2=80=99ll source =
a new one. &nbsp;This is kind of one of those =E2=80=9CThe journey is =
more important the destination=E2=80=9D projects while I=E2=80=99m =
sticking around the house<div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>The master cylinder that I had =
totally fail had been re-sleeved as part of the original rebuild =
process. &nbsp;We are fortunate to have an array of options in repairing =
our old Triumph cars. In watching automobile restoration shows, Im =
amazed at the lengths and expense that restorers have to go to get =
replacement parts. &nbsp;In most cases we are only a phone call (mouse =
click) away from a part.</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>After the =
m/c rebuild is finished I'll have caught up with the necessary =
maintenance on my cars and will move on to unnecessary =
maintenance.</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Thanks again all for the help and =
suggestions. Stay safe.</div><div class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Best,</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Bob&nbsp;<br class=3D""><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>=E2=80=9972=
 Tr6</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 17, 2020, at 1:58 PM, Don Hiscock &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Why bother to rebuild an old one when new ones are =
available?&nbsp; I like the finish on the original Girling master =
cylinders, and I trust a brass-sleeved original more than a modern =
Chinese knockoff.&nbsp; The price for something I'll likely do once in =
my life isn't a big consideration.&nbsp; That my car still has the =
master cylinders it was build with makes me happy.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But Standard-Triumph always =
appealed&nbsp;to "frugal" owners, so I get&nbsp;that a simple drop-in =
chinesium replica will be attractive to many owners.</div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 11:46 AM DAVE HOGYE &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
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   If a new master cylinder is available, why bother with trying to =
rebuild an old one? I know that a rebuild kit is just a few dollars, but =
sending it off to have it rebuilt adds a lot to the cost.&nbsp; I have =
never rebuilt a master that was available new.&nbsp; Time is money and =
bent panels and paint repair are too, beside being dangerous.&nbsp; I =
learned very early in my mechanic learning to renew the brake fluid at =
least on an annual basis.&nbsp; This saves components from failure and =
adds long life to them.&nbsp; Wilwood and others make excellent =
replacement masters for the TR3 and they are at the most $80 new.&nbsp; =
At this cost, it does not make sense to rebuild one.&nbsp; I understand =
the TR6 has a different style master and may be more costly.&nbsp;=20
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   Good luck for good brakes.&nbsp;
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   Dave H.
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   On May 17, 2020 at 6:44 AM Robert Rochlin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:=20
   <br class=3D"">=20
   <br class=3D""> Hi Richard,
   <div class=3D"">
    I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a =
complete rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6.&nbsp; As =
I recall it worked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling =
out of the garage and the brakes totally failed.&nbsp; The TR6 rolled =
int my P/U truck dented the door, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 =
hood. A very expensive afternoon. I sent the m/c back to the rebuilder =
as I had time to kill while the body shop fixed the TR6.&nbsp; They =
rebuilt the m/c again gratis and I reinstalled it.&nbsp; After about 8 =
months the m/c started to fail again, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I replaced it =
with a new Girling and it has gone several seasons working fine but now =
I=E2=80=99m getting the slow sinking pedal. Before replacing it again I =
am going to replace the seals myself.
   </div>
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    &nbsp;&nbsp;Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt =
components including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers, =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ll never send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
   </div>
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         Hello Bob,=20
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are =
relaxing the stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are =
beginning to venture out, if still maintaining safe separation. The =
'younglings' seem to think an=20
          <em class=3D"">All Clear</em> has been sounded and they're =
back face to face. I wish them luck.
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;I have had two, fresh from the box,&nbsp; M/Cs =
fail then a third, working fine. I don't wish to directly name and =
disparage the vendor since they are always quite willing to make things =
right, but their name does grow on the 'north side of the tree'. The =
question I ponder and why I am writing is to ask is: How did your M/Cs =
fail?
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, =
the front brake circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the =
booster) but the rear brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit =
would flow no fluid through either circuit! The third M/C worked =
perfectly and still works great today!
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          <br class=3D"">
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt =
cylinders? Someone in China just make mistakes? Did I do something =
wrong? Thus I ask: How did your M/C "fail catastrophically?"
         </div>
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          <br class=3D"">
         </div>-rick
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           On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack &lt;=20=

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           I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in this =
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Massachusetts the stay at home order will be&nbsp; completely lifted for =
several of more weeks, but some business slowly are beginning to be be =
allowed to reopen.=20
           <br class=3D""> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve had =
a checkered history with master cylinders. In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent =
m/c off to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to have them =
catastrophically fail soon after reinstallation.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m =
figuring that I can improve on that record.&nbsp; When I went to the =
Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process the article =
recommended red grease.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do have =
Volvo silicone breaks grease.&nbsp; In the absence of red brake grease =
can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do the rebuild or should i =
bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.&nbsp; About the only red =
grease I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty pricey, $16.00 plus =
$8.00 shipping.=20
           <br class=3D""> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Any advice would =
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"In watching automobile restoration shows, Im amazed at the lengths and exp=
ense that restorers have to go to get replacement parts. "

I so hate watching a 30 minute commercial for the parts used.

Regarding MC rebuild, some good advice once received was (1) rebuild clutch=
 parts, (2) buy new brake parts. The difference seems obvious.

Also, fix the brakes first. You can walk home from all else.

Sloane

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Thanks for all the informed replies.

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 I have to second this advice.=C2=A0 Brakes are not a good place to scrimp.=
=C2=A0 If the engine doesn't work, you don't go.=C2=A0 If the brakes don't =
work you don't stop.
Actually you will stop.=C2=A0 Sometimes you can walk away from it.
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Dave=20

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From: im sloane via 6pack <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 9:57 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Master Cylinder Rebuild

#yiv3141896145 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}"In watching automobile res=
toration shows, Im amazed at the lengths and expense that restorers have to=
 go to get replacement parts.=C2=A0"

I so hate watching a 30 minute commercial for the parts used.=C2=A0=C2=A0
Regarding MC rebuild, some good advice once received was (1) rebuild clutch=
 parts, (2) buy new brake parts. The difference seems obvious.=C2=A0
Also, fix the brakes first. You can walk home from all else.=C2=A0
Sloane=C2=A0
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<div> <font size=3D"3">I have to second this advice.&nbsp; Brakes are not a=
 good place to scrimp.&nbsp; If the engine doesn't work, you don't go.&nbsp=
; If the brakes don't work you don't stop.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Actually you will stop.&nbsp; Sometimes you can walk =
away from it.</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: im sloane via 6pack &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 9:57 am<br>
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR]  Master Cylinder Rebuild<br>
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kMacSystemFont, Roboto, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);disp=
lay:inline !important;">"In watching
 automobile restoration shows, Im amazed at the lengths and expense that re=
storers have to go to get replacement parts.<span>&nbsp;"</span></span><br =
clear=3D"none">
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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kMacSystemFont, Roboto, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);disp=
lay:inline !important;"><span><br clear=3D"none">
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50, 49, 48);font-family:UI Web -apple-system, Blin=
kMacSystemFont, Roboto, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);disp=
lay:inline !important;"><span>I so hate
 watching a 30 minute commercial for the parts used.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></sp=
an></div>

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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50, 49, 48);font-family:UI Web -apple-system, Blin=
kMacSystemFont, Roboto, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);disp=
lay:inline !important;"><span><br clear=3D"none">
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50, 49, 48);font-family:UI Web -apple-system, Blin=
kMacSystemFont, Roboto, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);disp=
lay:inline !important;"><span>Regarding
 MC rebuild, some good advice once received was (1) rebuild clutch parts, (=
2) buy new brake parts. The difference seems obvious.&nbsp;</span></span></=
div>

<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;col=
or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50, 49, 48);font-family:UI Web -apple-system, Blin=
kMacSystemFont, Roboto, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);disp=
lay:inline !important;"><span><br clear=3D"none">
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or:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50, 49, 48);font-family:UI Web -apple-system, Blin=
kMacSystemFont, Roboto, sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);disp=
lay:inline !important;"><span>Also,
 fix the brakes first. You can walk home from all else.&nbsp;</span></span>=
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My Master was working fine, but I added about 40 horsepower and removed a l=
ot of weight, so I thought all new brakes would be a good idea.

My experience, along with friends who wrench on cars, suggests these parts =
coming from China have a tendency to fail. This is not an attack on China, =
they surely build to the specs and price point they are given. While I cele=
brate and appreciate the vendors making these parts available for us, it's =
just a fact that thermostats and other parts that used to be fine right out=
 of the box nearly 100% of the time, now fail in unacceptable numbers.

That's why I chose to rebuild my original MC instead of buying new from one=
 of the vendors, and rebuild it with NOS factory parts. I would prefer fres=
her rubber parts, but these are the choices we face in today's hobby. For a=
 while now, I have been buying vintage NOS parts on eBay as mechanics tell =
me that new parts, Moog for example they say, are not the parts Moog made 1=
5 or 20 years ago.

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Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 2:57 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Master Cylinder Rebuild

Sloane

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coming from China have a tendency to fail. This is not an attack on China, =
they surely build to the specs and price point they are given. While I cele=
brate and appreciate the vendors
 making these parts available for us, it's just a fact that thermostats and=
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That's why I chose to rebuild my original MC instead of buying new from one=
 of the vendors, and rebuild it with NOS factory parts. I would prefer fres=
her rubber parts, but these are the choices we face in today's hobby. For a=
 while now, I have been buying vintage
 NOS parts on eBay as mechanics tell me that new parts, Moog for example th=
ey say, are not the parts Moog made 15 or 20 years ago.
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azed at the lengths and expense that restorers have to go to get replacemen=
t parts.<span>&nbsp;&quot;</span></span><br>
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lay:inline!important"><span>I so hate watching a 30 minute commercial for t=
he parts used.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50,49,48); background-color:rgb(255,255,255); disp=
lay:inline!important"><span>Regarding MC rebuild, some good advice once rec=
eived was (1) rebuild clutch parts, (2) buy new brake parts. The difference=
 seems obvious.&nbsp;</span></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50,49,48); background-color:rgb(255,255,255); disp=
lay:inline!important"><span><br>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(50,49,48); background-color:rgb(255,255,255); disp=
lay:inline!important"><span>Also, fix the brakes first. You can walk home f=
rom all else.&nbsp;</span></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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ox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2020 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; list Triumph =
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If a new master cylinder is available, why bother with trying to rebuild an=
 old one? I know that a rebuild kit is just a few dollars, but sending it o=
ff to have it rebuilt adds a lot to the cost.  I have never rebuilt a maste=
r that was available new.  Time is money and bent panels and paint repair a=
re too, beside being dangerous.  I learned very early in my mechanic learni=
ng to renew the brake fluid at least on an annual basis.  This saves compon=
ents from failure and adds long life to them.  Wilwood and others make exce=
llent replacement masters for the TR3 and they are at the most $80 new.  At=
 this cost, it does not make sense to rebuild one.  I understand the TR6 ha=
s a different style master and may be more costly.=20
Good luck for good brakes.=20
Dave H.

> On May 17, 2020 at 6:44 AM Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>     Hi Richard,
>     I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a complet=
e rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6.  As I recall it wo=
rked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling out of the garage a=
nd the brakes totally failed.  The TR6 rolled int my P/U truck dented the d=
oor, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very expensive afternoon. I =
sent the m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time to kill while the body sho=
p fixed the TR6.  They rebuilt the m/c again gratis and I reinstalled it.  =
After about 8 months the m/c started to fail again, but slowly=E2=80=A6 I r=
eplaced it with a new Girling and it has gone several seasons working fine =
but now I=E2=80=99m getting the slow sinking pedal. Before replacing it aga=
in I am going to replace the seals myself.
>       Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt components=
 including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers,  I=E2=80=99ll n=
ever send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
>     Best,
>     Bob
>=20
>=20
>         > >         On May 17, 2020, at 8:58 AM, Richard Lindsay < richar=
[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >=20
> >         Hello Bob, et al.,
> >=20
> >            Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are relaxing th=
e stay-at-home order and the older people (like me) are beginning to ventur=
e out, if still maintaining safe separation. The 'younglings' seem to think=
 an All Clear has been sounded and they're back face to face. I wish them l=
uck.
> >=20
> >            I have had two, fresh from the box,  M/Cs fail then a third,=
 working fine. I don't wish to directly name and disparage the vendor since=
 they are always quite willing to make things right, but their name does gr=
ow on the 'north side of the tree'. The question I ponder and why I am writ=
ing is to ask is: How did your M/Cs fail?
> >            In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, the front =
brake circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) but the re=
ar brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no fluid t=
hrough either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still works great=
 today!
> >=20
> >            Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinders? Someo=
ne in China just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I ask: How d=
id your M/C "fail catastrophically?"
> >=20
> >         -rick
> >=20
> >         On Sun, May 17, 2020, 6:38 AM Robert Rochlin via 6pack < 6pack@=
autox.team.net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >=20
> >             > > > I hope everyone is hanging in there and doing well in=
 this time of quarantine.  It down=E2=80=99t look like here in Massachusett=
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 rebuilders only to have them catastrophically fail soon after reinstallati=
on.  I=E2=80=99m figuring that I can improve on that record.  When I went t=
o the Buckeye Triumph site to review the rebuild process the article recomm=
ended red grease.  I don=E2=80=99t have any, but I do have Volvo silicone b=
reaks grease.  In the absence of red brake grease can I just apply brake fl=
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   If a new master cylinder is available, why bother with trying to rebuild=
 an old one? I know that a rebuild kit is just a few dollars, but sending i=
t off to have it rebuilt adds a lot to the cost.&nbsp; I have never rebuilt=
 a master that was available new.&nbsp; Time is money and bent panels and p=
aint repair are too, beside being dangerous.&nbsp; I learned very early in =
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    I sent my m/c off to a reputable (I thought ) rebuilder for a complete =
rebuild and installed it back installed it in the TR6. &nbsp;As I recall it=
 worked fine for a short time and then on day I was puling out of the garag=
e and the brakes totally failed. &nbsp;The TR6 rolled int my P/U truck dent=
ed the door, and pushed in the front o the Tr6 hood. A very expensive after=
noon. I sent the m/c back to the rebuilder as I had time to kill while the =
body shop fixed the TR6. &nbsp;They rebuilt the m/c again gratis and I rein=
stalled it. &nbsp;After about 8 months the m/c started to fail again, but s=
lowly=E2=80=A6 I replaced it with a new Girling and it has gone several sea=
sons working fine but now I=E2=80=99m getting the slow sinking pedal. Befor=
e replacing it again I am going to replace the seals myself.
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    &nbsp;&nbsp;Although I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with several rebuilt co=
mponents including starters, carburetors, shocks, and distributers, &nbsp;I=
=E2=80=99ll never send a master cylinder to a rebuilder again.
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;Glad you're well. Here is south Texas we too are rel=
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to think an=20
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ace to face. I wish them luck.
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;I have had two, fresh from the box,&nbsp; M/Cs fail =
then a third, working fine. I don't wish to directly name and disparage the=
 vendor since they are always quite willing to make things right, but their=
 name does grow on the 'north side of the tree'. The question I ponder and =
why I am writing is to ask is: How did your M/Cs fail?
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;In one of my unit's failures, fresh from the box, th=
e front brake circuit worked fine (that's the one closer to the booster) bu=
t the rear brake circuit would flow no fluid. The second unit would flow no=
 fluid through either circuit! The third M/C worked perfectly and still wor=
ks great today!
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          &nbsp; &nbsp;Did I get two poorly or incorrectly rebuilt cylinder=
s? Someone in China just make mistakes? Did I do something wrong? Thus I as=
k: How did your M/C "fail catastrophically?"
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s, but some business slowly are beginning to be be allowed to reopen.=20
           <br class=3D""> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve had a c=
heckered history with master cylinders. In the past I=E2=80=99ve sent m/c o=
ff to be rebuilt by reputable rebuilders only to have them catastrophically=
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ove on that record.&nbsp; When I went to the Buckeye Triumph site to review=
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=99t have any, but I do have Volvo silicone breaks grease.&nbsp; In the abs=
ence of red brake grease can I just apply brake fluid as lubricant to do th=
e rebuild or should i bite the bullet and get the red brake grease.&nbsp; A=
bout the only red grease I could fine was on Amazon and it was pretty price=
y, $16.00 plus $8.00 shipping.=20
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When one purchases a =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D MC they are mostly buying one =
with a clean bore. The condition of the bore in a used one can be seen =
inspecting it by eye, or looking down the bore with the aid of a camera =
scope to check the one at the bottom. If these bores are good, or at =
least hone-able, then a simple replacement of parts that come in a =
rebuild kit makes it as good as what one hopes to get in a new one. =
Pocket the $75 savings and take your lady out for a nice dinner, in the =
TR6. There=E2=80=99s also the satisfaction that comes with doing it =
yourself that one can=E2=80=99t put a price on. If one isn=E2=80=99t =
comfortable in any of this, then perhaps just dropping (or towing) the =
car to an auto repair shop would be best.=20

Dick

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class=3D"">When one purchases a =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D MC they are mostly =
buying one with a clean bore. The condition of the bore in a used one =
can be seen inspecting it by eye, or looking down the bore with the aid =
of a camera scope to check the one at the bottom. If these bores are =
good, or at least hone-able, then a simple replacement of parts that =
come in a rebuild kit makes it as good as what one hopes to get in a new =
one. Pocket the $75 savings and take your lady out for a nice dinner, in =
the TR6. There=E2=80=99s also the satisfaction that comes with doing it =
yourself that one can=E2=80=99t put a price on. If one isn=E2=80=99t =
comfortable in any of this, then perhaps just dropping (or towing) the =
car to an auto repair shop would be best.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Dick<br class=3D""><div><br =
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