Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:51:55 +0000 (UTC)

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 The horn relay is the top relay there next to the fuse box.=C2=A0 You can =
check the horn by attaching a jumper from the Purple wire to the Purple/Yel=
low wire bypassing the contacts.
I have found that the horns themselves stop working.=C2=A0 New, Italian-mat=
e horns are available at the local parts stores for around $10 each.=C2=A0 =
But check them out first.=20
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Dave=20

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 the contacts on the relay.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve included a picture of the fu=
se box area and a few of the relays =E2=80=93 which one is the horn or is i=
t somewhere else? =C2=A0I have Dan Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=99s=
 not the relay, I know where to go next. Thanks.=C2=A0 Dennis Culligan, Hig=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">The horn relay is the top relay there next to the fu=
se box.&nbsp; You can check the horn by attaching a jumper from the Purple =
wire to the Purple/Yellow wire bypassing the contacts.</font></div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">I have found that the horns themselves stop working.&=
nbsp; New, Italian-mate horns are available at the local parts stores for a=
round $10 each.&nbsp; But check them out first. </font><br>
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e box area and a few of the relays =E2=80=93 which one is the horn or is it=
 somewhere else? &nbsp;I have Dan Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=99s =
not the relay, I know where to go next. Thanks.&nbsp; Dennis Culligan, High=
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I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most likely culprit is not ge=
tting a solid ground from the horn button, especially if it works sometimes=
, when wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the purple/black wire as th=
e negative end of a test light to check. All the little stuff inside the st=
eering wheel must be just right. The steering column itself must have a sol=
id ground (to send to the relay via the button). Check the ground wire that=
 goes thru/around the steering column rubber coupling and the ground wire t=
hat connects to the steering gear box.

 Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife laug=
h. Yea, I know that problem comes from inside the wheel/button. Someday..

Sloane
69-Six
72-Spit

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From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:51 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <6pack@=
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Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay

I have found that the horns themselves stop working.  New, Italian-mate hor=
ns are available at the local parts stores for around $10 each.  But check =
them out first.

Dave

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To: [email-masked]
Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 1:15 pm
Subject: [6pack] TR6 horn relay

  A newbie question from a 31-year 1976 TR6 owner =96 Where=92s the horn re=
lay? Horn is working only very occasionally and I figure the easiest first =
thing to look at is the contacts on the relay.  I=92ve included a picture o=
f the fuse box area and a few of the relays =96 which one is the horn or is=
 it somewhere else?  I have Dan Master=92s book so if it=92s not the relay,=
 I know where to go next. Thanks.  Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most likely culprit is not ge=
tting a solid ground from the horn button, especially if it works sometimes=
, when wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the purple/black wire as th=
e negative end of a test light to
 check. All the little stuff inside the steering wheel must be just right. =
The steering column itself must have a solid ground (to send to the relay v=
ia the button). Check the ground wire that goes thru/around the steering co=
lumn rubber coupling and the ground
 wire that connects to the steering gear box.&nbsp;</div>
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&nbsp;Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife=
 laugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from inside the wheel/button. Someda=
y..</div>
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Sloane</div>
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69-Six</div>
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72-Spit</div>
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<div><font size=3D"3">I have found that the horns themselves stop working.&=
nbsp; New, Italian-mate horns are available at the local parts stores for a=
round $10 each.&nbsp; But check them out first.
</font><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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&nbsp; A newbie question from a 31-year 1976 TR6 owner =96 Where=92s the ho=
rn relay? Horn is working only very occasionally and I figure the easiest f=
irst thing to look at is the contacts on the relay.&nbsp; I=92ve included a=
 picture of the fuse box area and a few of the relays
 =96 which one is the horn or is it somewhere else? &nbsp;I have Dan Master=
=92s book so if it=92s not the relay, I know where to go next. Thanks.&nbsp=
; Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
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 That is a good point.=C2=A0 The horns must have a good ground, too.=C2=A0 =
The relay is grounded through the horn push to the steering shaft through t=
he link wire around the rubber coupling to the rack and through a ground li=
nk from the rack to the frame.=C2=A0 Any issues with that chain of events w=
ill cause the problem.=C2=A0 Jumpering the relay will bypass all the steeri=
ng column connections and will be a good diagnosis tool.=C2=A0=20

Check the easy stuff first.
For your self-beeping problem, it may be something as simple as the plastic=
 sleeve for the bush that connects the horn push to the slip ring.=C2=A0 Th=
at is no more problem to replace than pulling the horn push out, extracting=
 the old bush assembly and replacing it.
=20
Dave=20

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From: im sloane <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 12:44 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay

#yiv2512801405 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I'm no Dan Masters, but I'v=
e always found the most likely culprit is not getting a solid ground from t=
he horn button, especially if it works sometimes, when wiggling the wheel, =
etc. You can connect the purple/black wire as the negative end of a test li=
ght to check. All the little stuff inside the steering wheel must be just r=
ight. The steering column itself must have a solid ground (to send to the r=
elay via the button). Check the ground wire that goes thru/around the steer=
ing column rubber coupling and the ground wire that connects to the steerin=
g gear box.=C2=A0
=C2=A0Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife=
 laugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from inside the wheel/button. Someda=
y..
Sloane69-Six72-Spit
From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dave1=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:51 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <6pack@=
autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay=C2=A0

I have found that the horns themselves stop working.=C2=A0 New, Italian-mat=
e horns are available at the local parts stores for around $10 each.=C2=A0 =
But check them out first.

Dave=20

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To: [email-masked]
Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 1:15 pm
Subject: [6pack] TR6 horn relay

=C2=A0 A newbie question from a 31-year 1976 TR6 owner =E2=80=93 Where=E2=
=80=99s the horn relay? Horn is working only very occasionally and I figure=
 the easiest first thing to look at is the contacts on the relay.=C2=A0 I=
=E2=80=99ve included a picture of the fuse box area and a few of the relays=
 =E2=80=93 which one is the horn or is it somewhere else? =C2=A0I have Dan =
Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=99s not the relay, I know where to go =
next. Thanks.=C2=A0 Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY__________________________=
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<div> <font size=3D"3">That is a good point.&nbsp; The horns must have a go=
od ground, too.&nbsp; The relay is grounded through the horn push to the st=
eering shaft through the link wire around the rubber coupling to the rack a=
nd through a ground link from the rack to the frame.&nbsp; Any issues with =
that chain of events will cause the problem.&nbsp; Jumpering the relay will=
 bypass all the steering column connections and will be a good diagnosis to=
ol.&nbsp; <br>
</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">Check the easy stuff first.</font></div>

<div><font size=3D"3">For your self-beeping problem, it may be something as=
 simple as the plastic sleeve for the bush that connects the horn push to t=
he slip ring.&nbsp; That is no more problem to replace than pulling the hor=
n push out, extracting the old bush assembly and replacing it.</font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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&nbsp;Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife=
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y..</div>

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69-Six</div>

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<div><font size=3D"3">I have found that the horns themselves stop working.&=
nbsp; New, Italian-mate horns are available at the local parts stores for a=
round $10 each.&nbsp; But check them out first.
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&nbsp; A newbie question from a 31-year 1976 TR6 owner =E2=80=93 Where=E2=
=80=99s the horn relay? Horn is working only very occasionally and I figure=
 the easiest first thing to look at is the contacts on the relay.&nbsp; I=
=E2=80=99ve included a picture of the fuse box area and a few of the relays
 =E2=80=93 which one is the horn or is it somewhere else? &nbsp;I have Dan =
Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=99s not the relay, I know where to go =
next. Thanks.&nbsp; Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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I think in my 50+ years of TR250 ownership, I've replaced horns about 4 
or 5 times. They seem to be getting worse, because I've replaced them 
twice in the past 5 years and they currently don't work. Yes, the button 
itself is problematic too. I usually test them with a 12v battery first. 
Does anyone know where to buy horns that will last, or should I just 
remain hornless? - Larry Young

On 8/21/2020 7:41 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> That is a good point.  The horns must have a good ground, too.  The 
> relay is grounded through the horn push to the steering shaft through 
> the link wire around the rubber coupling to the rack and through a 
> ground link from the rack to the frame.  Any issues with that chain of 
> events will cause the problem.  Jumpering the relay will bypass all 
> the steering column connections and will be a good diagnosis tool.
>
> For your self-beeping problem, it may be something as simple as the 
> plastic sleeve for the bush that connects the horn push to the slip 
> ring.  That is no more problem to replace than pulling the horn push 
> out, extracting the old bush assembly and replacing it.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most likely culprit is 
> not getting a solid ground from the horn button, especially if it 
> works sometimes, when wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the 
> purple/black wire as the negative end of a test light to check. All 
> the little stuff inside the steering wheel must be just right. The 
> steering column itself must have a solid ground (to send to the relay 
> via the button). Check the ground wire that goes thru/around the 
> steering column rubber coupling and the ground wire that connects to 
> the steering gear box.
>
>  Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife 
> laugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from inside the wheel/button. 
> Someday..
>
> Sloane
> 69-Six
> 72-Spit
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:51 PM
> *To:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] 
> <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay
>
>
> I have found that the horns themselves stop working.  New, 
> Italian-mate horns are available at the local parts stores for around 
> $10 each.  But check them out first.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>   A newbie question from a 31-year 1976 TR6 owner – Where’s the horn 
> relay? Horn is working only very occasionally and I figure the easiest 
> first thing to look at is the contacts on the relay.  I’ve included a 
> picture of the fuse box area and a few of the relays – which one is 
> the horn or is it somewhere else?  I have Dan Master’s book so if it’s 
> not the relay, I know where to go next. Thanks.  Dennis Culligan, 
> Highland, NY
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    I think in my 50+ years of TR250 ownership, I've replaced horns
    about 4 or 5 times. They seem to be getting worse, because I've
    replaced them twice in the past 5 years and they currently don't
    work. Yes, the button itself is problematic too. I usually test them
    with a 12v battery first. Does anyone know where to buy horns that
    will last, or should I just remain hornless? - Larry Young<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/21/2020 7:41 AM, DAVID MASSEY
      wrote:<br>
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        <div> <font size="3">That is a good point.  The horns must have
            a good ground, too.  The relay is grounded through the horn
            push to the steering shaft through the link wire around the
            rubber coupling to the rack and through a ground link from
            the rack to the frame.  Any issues with that chain of events
            will cause the problem.  Jumpering the relay will bypass all
            the steering column connections and will be a good diagnosis
            tool.  <br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">Check the easy stuff first.</font></div>
        <div><font size="3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size="3">For your self-beeping problem, it may be
            something as simple as the plastic sleeve for the bush that
            connects the horn push to the slip ring.  That is no more
            problem to replace than pulling the horn push out,
            extracting the old bush assembly and replacing it.</font><br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
        <div style="clear:both"><font size="4">Dave </font><br>
          <br>
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          From: im sloane <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
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                I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most
                likely culprit is not getting a solid ground from the
                horn button, especially if it works sometimes, when
                wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the
                purple/black wire as the negative end of a test light to
                check. All the little stuff inside the steering wheel
                must be just right. The steering column itself must have
                a solid ground (to send to the relay via the button).
                Check the ground wire that goes thru/around the steering
                column rubber coupling and the ground wire that connects
                to the steering gear box. </div>
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                 Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always
                makes my wife laugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from
                inside the wheel/button. Someday..</div>
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                Sloane</div>
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                69-Six</div>
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                72-Spit</div>
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                      <div><font size="3">I have found that the horns
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                          horns are available at the local parts stores
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                                  A newbie question from a 31-year 1976
                                TR6 owner – Where’s the horn relay? Horn
                                is working only very occasionally and I
                                figure the easiest first thing to look
                                at is the contacts on the relay.  I’ve
                                included a picture of the fuse box area
                                and a few of the relays – which one is
                                the horn or is it somewhere else?  I
                                have Dan Master’s book so if it’s not
                                the relay, I know where to go next.
                                Thanks.  Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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You=E2=80=99ll find several examples of the Lucas windtone (WT618) high and l=
ow note on eBay.co.uk popularly fitted to all Jaguars of the 60s/70s and oth=
er prestige British makes. Not cheap but they also were fitted on side scree=
n TRs as well. A penetrating blast of sound which is what=E2=80=99s needed i=
n modern traffic.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D
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> On 21 Aug 2020, at 19:20, Larry Young <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I think in my 50+ years of TR250 ownership, I've replaced horns about 4 or=
 5 times. They seem to be getting worse, because I've replaced them twice in=
 the past 5 years and they currently don't work. Yes, the button itself is p=
roblematic too. I usually test them with a 12v battery first. Does anyone kn=
ow where to buy horns that will last, or should I just remain hornless? - La=
rry Young
>> That is a good point.  The horns must have a good ground, too.  The relay=
 is grounded through the horn push to the steering shaft through the link wi=
re around the rubber coupling to the rack and through a ground link from the=
 rack to the frame.  Any issues with that chain of events will cause the pro=
blem.  Jumpering the relay will bypass all the steering column connections a=
nd will be a good diagnosis tool. =20
>> For your self-beeping problem, it may be something as simple as the plast=
ic sleeve for the bush that connects the horn push to the slip ring.  That i=
s no more problem to replace than pulling the horn push out, extracting the o=
ld bush assembly and replacing it.
>> I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most likely culprit is not g=
etting a solid ground from the horn button, especially if it works sometimes=
, when wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the purple/black wire as the=
 negative end of a test light to check. All the little stuff inside the stee=
ring wheel must be just right. The steering column itself must have a solid g=
round (to send to the relay via the button). Check the ground wire that goes=
 thru/around the steering column rubber coupling and the ground wire that co=
nnects to the steering gear box.=20
>>=20
>>  Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife la=
ugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from inside the wheel/button. Someday..
>>=20
>> Sloane
>> 69-Six
>> 72-Spit
>>=20
>> From: 6pack <[email-masked]> on behalf of DAVID MASSEY <dav=
[email-masked]>
>> To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <6pac=
[email-masked]>
>> I have found that the horns themselves stop working.  New, Italian-mate h=
orns are available at the local parts stores for around $10 each.  But check=
 them out first.=20
>>   A newbie question from a 31-year 1976 TR6 owner =E2=80=93 Where=E2=80=99=
s the horn relay? Horn is working only very occasionally and I figure the ea=
siest first thing to look at is the contacts on the relay.  I=E2=80=99ve    =
                             included a picture of the fuse box area and a f=
ew of the relays =E2=80=93 which one is the horn or is it somewhere else?  I=
 have Dan Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=99s not the relay, I know whe=
re to go next. Thanks.  Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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 Lucas windtone (WT618) high and low note on <a href=3D"http://eBay.co.uk">e=
Bay.co.uk</a> popularly fitted to all Jaguars of the 60s/70s and other prest=
ige British makes. Not cheap but they also were fitted on side screen TRs as=
 well. A penetrating blast of sound which is what=E2=80=99s needed in modern=
 traffic.<div><br></div><div>Jonmac<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" di=
r=3D"ltr">At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:<div>Lord Uxbridge: &nbsp;=E2=80=9C=
By God, Sir - I=E2=80=99ve lost my leg=E2=80=9D</div><div>Duke of Wellington=
: =E2=80=9CBy God, Sir - so you have!=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div></div><di=
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    I think in my 50+ years of TR250 ownership, I've replaced horns
    about 4 or 5 times. They seem to be getting worse, because I've
    replaced them twice in the past 5 years and they currently don't
    work. Yes, the button itself is problematic too. I usually test them
    with a 12v battery first. Does anyone know where to buy horns that
    will last, or should I just remain hornless? - Larry Young<br>
    <br>
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        <div> <font size=3D"3">That is a good point.&nbsp; The horns must ha=
ve
            a good ground, too.&nbsp; The relay is grounded through the horn=

            push to the steering shaft through the link wire around the
            rubber coupling to the rack and through a ground link from
            the rack to the frame.&nbsp; Any issues with that chain of event=
s
            will cause the problem.&nbsp; Jumpering the relay will bypass al=
l
            the steering column connections and will be a good diagnosis
            tool.&nbsp; <br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"3">Check the easy stuff first.</font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"3"><br>
          </font></div>
        <div><font size=3D"3">For your self-beeping problem, it may be
            something as simple as the plastic sleeve for the bush that
            connects the horn push to the slip ring.&nbsp; That is no more
            problem to replace than pulling the horn push out,
            extracting the old bush assembly and replacing it.</font><br>
        </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
        <div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          To: <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:6pack@aut=
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          Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 12:44 am<br>
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                I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most
                likely culprit is not getting a solid ground from the
                horn button, especially if it works sometimes, when
                wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the
                purple/black wire as the negative end of a test light to
                check. All the little stuff inside the steering wheel
                must be just right. The steering column itself must have
                a solid ground (to send to the relay via the button).
                Check the ground wire that goes thru/around the steering
                column rubber coupling and the ground wire that connects
                to the steering gear box.&nbsp;</div>
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              <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri, Helvetica,
                sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);">
                &nbsp;Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which alway=
s
                makes my wife laugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from
                inside the wheel/button. Someday..</div>
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                Sloane</div>
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                69-Six</div>
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"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none"=
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                      <div><font size=3D"3">I have found that the horns
                          themselves stop working.&nbsp; New, Italian-mate
                          horns are available at the local parts stores
                          for around $10 each.&nbsp; But check them out
                          first.
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                      <div style=3D"clear:both;"><font size=3D"4">Dave </fon=
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                                &nbsp; A newbie question from a 31-year 1976=

                                TR6 owner =E2=80=93 Where=E2=80=99s the horn=
 relay? Horn
                                is working only very occasionally and I
                                figure the easiest first thing to look
                                at is the contacts on the relay.&nbsp; I=E2=80=
=99ve
                                included a picture of the fuse box area
                                and a few of the relays =E2=80=93 which one i=
s
                                the horn or is it somewhere else? &nbsp;I
                                have Dan Master=E2=80=99s book so if it=E2=80=
=99s not
                                the relay, I know where to go next.
                                Thanks.&nbsp; Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY
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Yea, I last had the steering wheel and horn push apart about 1988, been dre=
ading going back in there ever since.  It only beeps when I'm really having=
 fun. (haha)

I think I got my new horns from TRF, and they work, well, fine. (grin)

Sloane

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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <6p=
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Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay

That is a good point.  The horns must have a good ground, too.  The relay i=
s grounded through the horn push to the steering shaft through the link wir=
e around the rubber coupling to the rack and through a ground link from the=
 rack to the frame.  Any issues with that chain of events will cause the pr=
oblem.  Jumpering the relay will bypass all the steering column connections=
 and will be a good diagnosis tool.

For your self-beeping problem, it may be something as simple as the plastic=
 sleeve for the bush that connects the horn push to the slip ring.  That is=
 no more problem to replace than pulling the horn push out, extracting the =
old bush assembly and replacing it.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
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To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 12:44 am
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay

Sloane
69-Six
72-Spit

Dave

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Yea, I last had the steering wheel and horn push apart about 1988, been dre=
ading going back in there ever since.&nbsp; It only beeps when I'm really h=
aving fun. (haha)&nbsp;</div>
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I think I got my new horns from TRF, and they work, well, fine. (grin)&nbsp=
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Sloane&nbsp;</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 21, 2020 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 6pack@autox=
.team.net &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay</font>
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<div><font size=3D"3">That is a good point.&nbsp; The horns must have a goo=
d ground, too.&nbsp; The relay is grounded through the horn push to the ste=
ering shaft through the link wire around the rubber coupling to the rack an=
d through a ground link from the rack to the
 frame.&nbsp; Any issues with that chain of events will cause the problem.&=
nbsp; Jumpering the relay will bypass all the steering column connections a=
nd will be a good diagnosis tool.&nbsp;
<br>
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</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Check the easy stuff first.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">For your self-beeping problem, it may be something as=
 simple as the plastic sleeve for the bush that connects the horn push to t=
he slip ring.&nbsp; That is no more problem to replace than pulling the hor=
n push out, extracting the old bush assembly
 and replacing it.</font><br>
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<div><br>
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<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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From: im sloane &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay<br>
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I'm no Dan Masters, but I've always found the most likely culprit is not ge=
tting a solid ground from the horn button, especially if it works sometimes=
, when wiggling the wheel, etc. You can connect the purple/black wire as th=
e negative end of a test light to
 check. All the little stuff inside the steering wheel must be just right. =
The steering column itself must have a solid ground (to send to the relay v=
ia the button). Check the ground wire that goes thru/around the steering co=
lumn rubber coupling and the ground
 wire that connects to the steering gear box.&nbsp;</div>
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or:rgb(0,0,0)">
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&nbsp;Mine 'self blows' when I'm hard cornering, which always makes my wife=
 laugh. Yea, I know that problem comes from inside the wheel/button. Someda=
y..</div>
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Sloane</div>
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69-Six</div>
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72-Spit</div>
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&lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of DAVID MASSEY &lt;dave1mas=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2020 6:51 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]=
m.net &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [6pack] TR6 horn relay</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div><br clear=3D"none">
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<div><font size=3D"3">I have found that the horns themselves stop working.&=
nbsp; New, Italian-mate horns are available at the local parts stores for a=
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