From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sat Dec 3 12:03:31 2005 From: Barrie Robinson To: buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:02:19 -0800 Subject: Gear lever knob Has anyone got an old gear lever knob for the 5-speed Rover SD1? I need the logo top part that shows the gear change pattern as I getting a black ebony one made by local wood turner. If you know of any US car that has the SD1 pattern I would like to hear. All I have to do is cut the top off and fix to my new one. Incidentally the pattern is as below Reverse First Third Fifth Neutral Second Fourth Regards Barrie Barrie Robinson (705) 721-9060 /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Tue Dec 13 17:25:15 2005 From: RockStar30cars@aol.com To: burkhaj@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:23:32 EST Subject: another east coast rover Hello John this is from an ebay seller, I still cant post on the Rovernet.Maybe you can past this along thanks! 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Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/199 - Release Date: 12/13/2005 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 02_header11.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image0021122.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image0032233.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 02_footer44.gif] /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sat Dec 17 13:08:21 2005 From: "jay snavely" To: "TR8 List" , Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 03:03:59 -0500 Subject: TR7/8 FI air intake I have dropped the radiator out of my TR8, and it looks like the right time to replace the 2-2" cold air intake hoses to the filter box. Has anyone come up with a good substitute for these? I may order some hose from McMaster Carr, etc. Is anyone using a K&N filter in place of the factory airbox? Thanks. Jay Snavely 1980 TR8 /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sat Dec 17 21:41:08 2005 From: FOSmith@aol.com To: jays@paonline.com, tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu, buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:38:36 EST Subject: Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake > to replace the 2-2" cold air intake hoses to the filter box. Has anyone > come up with a good substitute for these? I may order some hose from > Try some flexible aluminum heat riser hose. It comes in the correct size and is available in any parts store. It's usually painted black so it looks fairly original too. > Is anyone using a K&N filter in place of the factory airbox? > A K&N filter will cause you to fail smog inspection in California so if you get one, hang on to your original parts. I'm not convinced that these offer improvement, however. When underhood temps soar, you're taking in intake air that's very hot and thin, whereas the original setup takes intake air from a cooler spot ahead of the radiator. Cooler air is denser and packs more energy into the combustion chambers. Fred Smith Orinda, CA /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sun Dec 18 04:21:15 2005 From: "Jim Altman" To: , , , Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 06:18:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake I found some heater air duct hosing at pep boys that was the right size and has served well for about five years. Jim Altman jaltman@altlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu [mailto:owner-tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu] On Behalf Of FOSmith@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:39 PM To: jays@paonline.com; tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu; buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake > to replace the 2-2" cold air intake hoses to the filter box. Has > anyone come up with a good substitute for these? I may order some > hose from > Try some flexible aluminum heat riser hose. It comes in the correct size and is available in any parts store. It's usually painted black so it looks fairly original too. > Is anyone using a K&N filter in place of the factory airbox? > A K&N filter will cause you to fail smog inspection in California so if you get one, hang on to your original parts. I'm not convinced that these offer improvement, however. When underhood temps soar, you're taking in intake air that's very hot and thin, whereas the original setup takes intake air from a cooler spot ahead of the radiator. Cooler air is denser and packs more energy into the combustion chambers. Fred Smith Orinda, CA -- Forwarded via the TR7/8 mailing list. Please send administrative requests to the majordomo at tr8-request@mercury.lcs.mit.edu /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sun Dec 18 07:16:21 2005 From: James TenCate To: FOSmith@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:13:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake >> Is anyone using a K&N filter in place of the factory airbox? >> > A K&N filter will cause you to fail smog inspection in California so > if you > get one, hang on to your original parts. I'm not convinced that > these offer > improvement, however. When underhood temps soar, you're taking in > intake air > that's very hot and thin, whereas the original setup takes intake air > from a > cooler spot ahead of the radiator. Cooler air is denser and packs > more > energy > into the combustion chambers. > Fred Smith > Orinda, CA > Quite so. I have a K&N on my TR8 and it DOES offer some initial improvement after the car is first started. You can really feel it. However, Fred is right, as soon as underhood temps grow, the benefits diminish drastically. You can pop off the little corner cover (which is where a carb'd car gets some of its air) and get a little extra cool air from there but what you REALLY want to do is to replace the whole airbox with something that breathes better AND gets cold air too. It's on my list of things-to-do. For a great example of how to do this, see: http://www.thrashercharged.com/store_htm/induction_group.asp (my other car is a supercharged Bonneville SSEi :-) Jim /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sun Dec 18 11:17:02 2005 From: James TenCate To: Barrie Robinson Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:14:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake On Dec 18, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Barrie Robinson wrote: > I know K&N filters get a good name but do they really offer a > fantastic difference - or is it like the other folk legends out > there?. I suppose one should measure something (?) without any > filters, with K&N, and then with 'ordinary' filters and compare the > results. It is NOT good enough to belt round the track, change > filters, belt around again and then make a comparison. Far to > subjective! As there are thousands of companies playing with I'm a scientist type (acoustics/geophysics/seismologist) and agree with you about actually *measuring* something. I never believe what I read and often have to try things myself, sometimes discovering things that actually make things worse instead of better (autocrossers discover this all the time :-) However, being an experimentalist type of person, I was also skeptical (and my car is a concours winner so keeping it original is important to me and fitting a K&N and then removing it for shows is a BIG extra bother). So, when I replaced the stock airbox (with a nearly new paper element) with a K&N bolted right to the air flow meter, I was pleasantly surprised at how much "snappier" the car felt. Really. Fantastic? NO, but definitely noticeable. I've driven it both ways and my own *subjective* observation is that comparing a K&N versus the stock setup on the TR8, the K&N gives you a noticeably better driving experience. But, as they say, your mileage may vary and no, I didn't put it on a rolling road to measure the difference. No such things up here in Los Alamos, NM (population about 20,000 :-) Think also about the "state-of-the-art" back in the 1970s... getting engines to breathe better is an idea that's been around a long time but K&Ns didn't exist (although foam elements were popular "upgrades". I can't imagine the Triumph engineers worrying too much about optimizing the air box though. Getting the fuel injection system ready for production probably occupied every waking moment they had (all the while wondering about their jobs). Geeez, wouldn't it be great to find some Triumph engineers who actually worked on development of the "Wedge" so we could talk to them? I also noted, as Fred pointed out, that the "snappy" experience quickly diminished and may actually be worse than stock as the car started breathing hot engine air versus the cooler air it used to get from behind the front headlight pod. So, like the Thrasher folks have done, I'm going to fabricate a cool air box one of these days. Yes, it's worth the effort (to me) and Thrasher has at least instrumented and measured the temperatures of the air coming into the engine and built something that really works :-) They don't use K&N by the way, but another manufacturer of a similar sort of "free flow" filter maker... My 2 cents (for what they're worth :-) Jim /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sun Dec 18 11:43:18 2005 From: James TenCate To: Carl McIver , buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:40:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake > Jim, you are right for looking at this from a scientific > perspective. However, filters exist not to flow the most air, but to > filter dirt from the air. K&N filters flow better because they don't > filter as well. I was interested in them for awhile until I came > across a couple web articles where different filters were flow tested > (perhaps you can dig them up yourself) and the amount of dirt the K&N > let through was staggering. What I think the compromise is in OEM > filters is getting the largest filter surface area they can figuring > in cost and available space, as a larger filter will obviously flow > better due to the larger filter surface area. > I bookmarked the site below and it seems relevant to this discussion so thought I'd share it. Probably one of the ones Carl read about in fact. I'll let you all read it and come to your own conclusions :-) I was actually surprised at how dirty even a paper element got during his tests. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm Jim /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Mon Dec 19 20:52:46 2005 From: RockStar30cars@aol.com To: burkhaj@earthlink.net, buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net, Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:49:31 EST Subject: good for engine conversion good luck 1980 Rover SD1 5sp _intrepid999_ (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=intrepid999) ( _310_ (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=intrepid999) ) Positive Feedback: 99.4% Member Since: Aug-23-02 Location: NY, United States Registered On: www.ebay.com Hello, I noted that you lost a bid on a Rover V-8 with a 5 speed Trany recently. I have a 1980 Rover 3500 with a 5 speed Trany and a good running FI V-8 that runs good but body is N/G and will require flat bed. It is what you really need for a successful reasonably economical MG conversion because it includes the FI computer, ignition & fuel delivery systems as well as the Drive shaft and Rear end that you can easily convert to your B. It is located in Medford Long Island NY (LI Expressway. Exit 64) I want $1800 but am open to negotiate. I propose to list it with eBay as a parts car with a Buy It Now at an agreed upon price. Let me know I will send photos if you are interested. Ken Sinkler (631) 846-1920 kennethsinkler@optonline.Net /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Wed Dec 28 18:29:52 2005 From: "jay snavely" To: "TR8 List" , Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:26:16 -0500 Subject: TR8 FI questions I am in the midst of removing quite a few components from the engine and have a few questions. I was planning to remove the intake mainfold and refurbish the two pipes running coolant to the heater hoses. I have not been able to find any instructions for removing the manifold in the ROM, but it looks like the entire fuel rail and the injectors need to be removed. This is a bit more than I intend to do. I don't suppose it is possible to remove these pipes w/o removing the manifold. Valve cover finish - I want to refinish the valve covers, and am considering options other than the original grey paint. The 2 things I am considering are either polishing them, or getting them powdercoated (probably black) and getting the tops of the ribs sanded to expose the aluminum. Has anyone done this, and are there any photos on the web? Plenum finish - I repainted the plenum a few years ago, but am thinking about polishing it to match the valve covers (assuming I polish them). Again, are there any photos on the web to show this? Gaskets - Are the valve cover gaskets reusable? Thanks. Jay Snavely 1980 TR8 /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Wed Dec 28 21:45:21 2005 From: Simon & Donna To: jay snavely , TR8 List , Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:47:14 -0800 Subject: Re: TR8 FI questions Can't comment on the FI set up as I don't use this on my car but I can comment on the valve covers and the gaskets. If your TR8 covers look like the 1980 SD1 units then I can tell you I chemical-stripped mine, painted them black and sanded the ribs to let them show through. Looks pretty good in my opinion. I don't know how hard it would be to remove the power-coating to accomplish the same look. When I picked out valve cover gaskets, I purchased rubber gaskets with small brass inserts where the bolts go through. No sealant required and have had them on and off a few times with no leakage problems. HTH Simon Subject: TR8 FI questions >I am in the midst of removing quite a few components from the engine and > have a few questions. I was planning to remove the intake mainfold and > refurbish the two pipes running coolant to the heater hoses. I have not > been able to find any instructions for removing the manifold in the ROM, > but > it looks like the entire fuel rail and the injectors need to be removed. > This is a bit more than I intend to do. I don't suppose it is possible to > remove these pipes w/o removing the manifold. > > Valve cover finish - I want to refinish the valve covers, and am > considering > options other than the original grey paint. The 2 things I am considering > are either polishing them, or getting them powdercoated (probably black) > and > getting the tops of the ribs sanded to expose the aluminum. Has anyone > done > this, and are there any photos on the web? > > Plenum finish - I repainted the plenum a few years ago, but am thinking > about polishing it to match the valve covers (assuming I polish them). > Again, are there any photos on the web to show this? > > Gaskets - Are the valve cover gaskets reusable? > > Thanks. > > Jay Snavely > 1980 TR8 /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sat Dec 31 09:47:17 2005 From: FOSmith@aol.com To: gamerrell@qwest.net, FOSmith@aol.com, buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:47:15 EST Subject: Re: [Wedge] TR7/8 FI air intake Unfortunately, California requires a visual inspection as well as a tailpipe test (and in some areas, a rolling road test). They consider the air cleaner box part of the emissions control system. Until recently, older cars here became exempt after they became 30 years old and I was looking forward to 2011 when I could do some serious tweaking on my TR8. Unfortunately, this exemption was eliminated in a bill passed by the legislature and signed by the governator in 2003 so I guess we have to get the biannual smog inspection on our cars for the rest of our lives. Don't throw out those emissions components yet! Fred Smith Orinda, CA 2 '81 TR8s In a message dated 12/30/05 7:11:41 PM, gamerrell@qwest.net writes: > FOSmith@aol.com wrote: > > > Is anyone using a K&N filter in place of the factory airbox? > > K&N filter will cause you to fail smog inspection in California so if you get one, hang on to your original parts. I'm not convinced that these offer improvement, however. When underhood temps soar, you're taking in intake air that's very hot and thin, whereas the original setup takes intake air from a cooler spot ahead of the radiator. Cooler air is denser and packs more energy into the combustion chambers. Fred Smith Orinda, CA > > I run a K&N filter on my 230 bhp 3.5 with 3.9 EFI intake, it passesColorado > emissions just fine, seems to have plenty of power. AlthoughI agree that if > you can get cold air intake as opposed to hot air fromthe engine bay, you > probably pick up a few horses. > Colorado difference is that this car is 25 years old or more so it > hasclassic car tags and only needed one tailpipe emission test, not theregular dyno > test. /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list /// From buick-rover-v8-owner@autox.team.net Sat Dec 31 10:19:58 2005 From: JClax5817@aol.com To: buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:20:02 EST Subject: Rover Parts Car Gang, I've got a 1980 Rover 3500S Parts Car for sale. It's a complete car that includes engine and 5 speed manual gearbox. In storage 13 years. Odometer reads 053,757. Buy the car, remove what you need, junk the remainder for cash or part it out. $875 Jack Claxton _jclax5817@aol.com_ (mailto:jclax5817@aol.com) Near Road Atlanta, northeast of Atlanta, GA /// /// buick-rover-v8@autox.team.net mailing list ///