From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 13:35:22 2009 From: Scott Sheeler To: Roadster List Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Mr. K is 100 Years Old This Year >From my 2006 email to The List: To members of the Roadster List and other friends: It has occured to me that everyone who has enjoyed, or is enjoying, a Datsun roadster - in any shape or condition - should understand its roots. Without being long-winded (but I probably will be), the Datsun roadster owes a great deal, if not all, of its success to Mr. Yutaka Katayama - "Mr. K." as he has come to be called. Rob Beddington of fairlady.org writes: "If you do a website search of 'Katayama' on www.fairlady.org you will see that not only was Mr K the driving force behind roadster racing in the USA but his acts of support to individuals and teams at grass roots level were legendary. Among many acts of generosity (and corporate shrewdness) Mr K. gave Bob Sharp 5 'salt-damaged' Datsun 2000s on the East Coast in recognition of his success with the 1500 and 1600, he by-passed an unhappy Dick Roberts at the Datsun's Competition department to arrange the two 2000's for Pete Brock direct from Japan, and he gave Jack Scoville an engine for the car that went on to win the Datsun 2000 its first national championship. So without Mr K there would have been no BRE roadster team (so no BRE 510 or 240Z), much less of a racing heritage, which is still recognised today, and of course, less Datsuns on the road - "race on Sunday, sell on Monday." Thanks, Rob. On September 15, 2009 Mr. K will be 100 years old. I would like to ask everyone on the list to send Mr. K an email birthday wish - nothing fancy - just Subject - "Happy Birthday" "Mr. Katayama, thank you for your years of support for the Datsun roadster - my roadster has given me a lot of enjoyment and great times. Best wishes on your 100th birthday" or something like that. His secretary says that attachments cannot be received so the "shorter the better" and no pictures. The email address should be: mr.k@able.ocn.ne.jp It won't take long and will be a nice gesture to a man who, 49 years ago, laid the groundwork for the reason this "list" even exists. Please remember to send it on September 14 since that will September 15 in Japan. Thanks in advance for the support. Scott Sheeler The Datsun Roadster Book ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 13:46:03 2009 From: "hallosb@juno.com" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 19:39:25 GMT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Second Posting Must be 0.002" not, 0.020". That would be a lot of honing. A word of caution on honing. I once tried this on a motor based on the machine shop's recommendation. Oversize rings and stock pistons. Motor sounded good for about a year and 10,000 miles. Then I developed piston slap in one cylinder. Appears I developed a little too much clearance. You can measure clearance between the pistion and cylinder wall to compare against specs. If you haven't already done so, I highly recommend it. Dan McHatton '66 1600 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "robert k. smith" To: , , roadster list Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Second Posting Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:03:29 -0400 hi frank, i just rebuilt a frozen engine, and the key to getting it free is to remove the crank shaft, so you can work on each piston by itself.(soak w/ penetrating oil for days, then use a cut down 2X4 piece of wood, and at least a 2 lb. hammer) if you dont remove the crank shaft, you are trying to move all 4 stuck pistons at the same time. btw, i was able to re use the stock pistons, and just hone the cyls.(a lot). a .020 over bore and new pistons are nice if your budget allows. good luck, bob smith, ohio > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:03:33 -0500 > From: Frank.L.May@umsl.edu > To: barterdude@comcast.net; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Second Posting > > My '69 2000 has been sitting since about 1974 when the motor was last turned > over. I've talked with a machinist about tearing it down and restoring. I > put a wrench on the vibration damper nut and tried to turn, but it's stuck. > Any thoughts on how to get it unstuck without first pulling the head? I've > shot lots of oil/WD40/carb cleaner into the spark plug sockets, but without > results so far. > > Frank May > SRL311-12936 > > ________________________________ > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rksmith46@hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what youre up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 You are subscribed as hallosb@juno.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrHfWTu2lIQmtuwQnAWQwsutD bhGjEnJGqMcbqxgPkzrGknha8o/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 14:32:46 2009 From: "MH" To: "Scott Sheeler" , "Roadster List" Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:33:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Mr. K is 100 Years Old This Year Scott, Thanks for sharing the opportunity to participate in giving honor to Mr. K. on a very special day. I followed your suggestion and included my year, make, model, VIN and Eng. numbers, as well and location, (USA in my case). Geez,....... I'd like to think my roadster will last that long, but I seriously doubt I'll be around to find out.... Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sheeler" To: "Roadster List" Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Mr. K is 100 Years Old This Year > >From my 2006 email to The List: > > > > To members of the Roadster List and other friends: > > It has occured to me that everyone who has enjoyed, or is enjoying, a Datsun > roadster - in any shape or condition - should understand its roots. Without > being long-winded (but I probably will be), the Datsun roadster owes a great > deal, if not all, of its success to Mr. Yutaka Katayama - "Mr. K." as he has > come to be called. > > Rob Beddington of fairlady.org writes: > > "If you do a website search of 'Katayama' on www.fairlady.org you will see > that not only was Mr K the driving force behind roadster racing in the USA > but his acts of support to individuals and teams at grass roots level were > legendary. > > Among many acts of generosity (and corporate shrewdness) Mr K. gave Bob > Sharp 5 'salt-damaged' Datsun 2000s on the East Coast in recognition of his > success with the 1500 and 1600, he by-passed an unhappy Dick Roberts at the > Datsun's Competition department to arrange the two 2000's for Pete Brock > direct from Japan, and he gave Jack Scoville an engine for the car that went > on to win the Datsun 2000 its first national championship. > > So without Mr K there would have been no BRE roadster team (so no BRE 510 or > 240Z), much less of a racing heritage, which is still recognised today, and > of course, less Datsuns on the road - "race on Sunday, sell on Monday." > > Thanks, Rob. > > On September 15, 2009 Mr. K will be 100 years old. > > I would like to ask everyone on the list to send Mr. K an email birthday > wish - nothing fancy - just > > Subject - "Happy Birthday" > > > "Mr. Katayama, thank you for your years of support for the Datsun roadster - > my roadster has given me a lot of enjoyment and great times. Best wishes on > your 100th birthday" > > or something like that. His secretary says that attachments cannot be > received so the "shorter the better" and no pictures. > > The email address should be: mr.k@able.ocn.ne.jp > > It won't take long and will be a nice gesture to a man who, 49 years ago, > laid the groundwork for the reason this "list" even exists. > > Please remember to send it on September 14 since that will September 15 in > Japan. > > Thanks in advance for the support. > > Scott Sheeler > The Datsun Roadster Book ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 1 15:30:55 2009 From: "Chris & Christy Breyer" To: Scott Sheeler Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Mr. K is 100 Years Old This Year Check out www.socalroc.net and click on the Datsun Heritage Museum link in the Main Menu. There are a few things going on for Mr. K's Birthday you can help in celebrating On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Scott Sheeler wrote: > >From my 2006 email to The List: > > > > To members of the Roadster List and other friends: > > It has occured to me that everyone who has enjoyed, or is enjoying, a > Datsun > roadster - in any shape or condition - should understand its roots. Without > being long-winded (but I probably will be), the Datsun roadster owes a > great > deal, if not all, of its success to Mr. Yutaka Katayama - "Mr. K." as he > has > come to be called. > > Rob Beddington of fairlady.org writes: > > "If you do a website search of 'Katayama' on www.fairlady.org you will see > that not only was Mr K the driving force behind roadster racing in the USA > but his acts of support to individuals and teams at grass roots level were > legendary. > > Among many acts of generosity (and corporate shrewdness) Mr K. gave Bob > Sharp 5 'salt-damaged' Datsun 2000s on the East Coast in recognition of his > success with the 1500 and 1600, he by-passed an unhappy Dick Roberts at the > Datsun's Competition department to arrange the two 2000's for Pete Brock > direct from Japan, and he gave Jack Scoville an engine for the car that > went > on to win the Datsun 2000 its first national championship. > > So without Mr K there would have been no BRE roadster team (so no BRE 510 > or > 240Z), much less of a racing heritage, which is still recognised today, and > of course, less Datsuns on the road - "race on Sunday, sell on Monday." > > Thanks, Rob. > > On September 15, 2009 Mr. K will be 100 years old. > > I would like to ask everyone on the list to send Mr. K an email birthday > wish - nothing fancy - just > > Subject - "Happy Birthday" > > > "Mr. Katayama, thank you for your years of support for the Datsun roadster > - > my roadster has given me a lot of enjoyment and great times. Best wishes on > your 100th birthday" > > or something like that. His secretary says that attachments cannot be > received so the "shorter the better" and no pictures. > > The email address should be: mr.k@able.ocn.ne.jp > > It won't take long and will be a nice gesture to a man who, 49 years ago, > laid the groundwork for the reason this "list" even exists. > > Please remember to send it on September 14 since that will September 15 in > Japan. > > Thanks in advance for the support. > > Scott Sheeler > The Datsun Roadster Book > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66@gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- Our Classic Rides: '66 1600 '70 521 '73 Mustang Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ If you are lucky enough to stand next to a Datsun, then you are lucky enough. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 12:48:50 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:25:24 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] BC/California Fires List is pretty quiet lately. Here's hoping everyone near those fires are safe. Daryl ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 14:19:20 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'Daryl Smith'" , "'Datsun Roadster List'" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:16:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] BC/California Fires Amen to that! Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Daryl Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:25 AM To: Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] BC/California Fires List is pretty quiet lately. Here's hoping everyone near those fires are safe. Daryl Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 2 19:03:35 2009 From: Jim Gammon To: Datsun roadster Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster on Ebay Anyone know this car? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260469164385&ss PageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123 JimG 2K 69 NJ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 09:19:36 2009 From: "Brian St Jacques" To: "'Datsun Roadster List'" Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 08:11:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] BC/California Fires I was 2 miles from the edge of the fire. Got a mandatory evacuation phone call, so we had to pack up and head out. The roadster is immobile so it had to stay, but I opted to take my BMW 2002 over my Xterra - way too much work in to that car to let it go down in flames :) We drove through the neighborhood last night that was hit the worst. It was absolutely devastating. I couldn't believe how completely the houses burned - there was just nothing whatsoever left but chimneys and appliance frames. Several cars were burned out - that was really strange and surprising too. There was nothing left of an entire vehicle but the shell. No glass, nothing at all but the metal. All the cars also had their bellies down to the ground, so I assume that the springs must have gotten hot enough to just collapse. It was really strange how the fire went through the neighborhood - not at all what I was expecting. It seemed to just randomly take out houses through this big subdivision. There is probably 100 or more houses and about 30-40 got taken out - but they were sprinkled all throughout the rest of the houses. It seemed really random as to which houses burned in many instances. There would be one house completely leveled next to another that was completely unscathed. My wife has 2 coworkers that lost their houses, really sad. Brian -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Daryl Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:25 AM To: Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] BC/California Fires List is pretty quiet lately. Here's hoping everyone near those fires are safe. Daryl You are subscribed as brianstj@att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 13:18:30 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] California fire time lapse footage Got this from a friend. Pretty cool footage made with digital time lapse, although kind of eerie the thoguth of what is going on to cause all of this. This is a time lapse view of the fires from the Playa Vista/ LMU vantage point. I believe these are Saturday/Sunday afternoon. Pretty impressive footage. http://www.brandonriza.com/Video/HTML/ZeroPercentContained.html ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 18:34:36 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] California Fires A good friend lost everything, Grand Pianos, Hammond B3 organs, Lesiles, Old BMW, tons more 50 yrs of saving worth hundreds of thousands. No insurance. He said "I almost wish I lost my life". In a way he did. I had a house fire on the last day of December. I collect old cars ( have 40 or more) 6 Datsun 1600s. I am a guitarist by trade and lost my studio. I thought the whole house was history. Fire can be Satan, it is VERY scary. My prayers and heart go out to these people who have lost everything. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 19:48:53 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: dboerst@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:42:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] California Fires OT I think we have to recognize that the fire dept, police etc just can't do it all. There is too much ground to cover. David Geffen hired his own fireman and had them spray his house down with some fire retardent stuff in one of the recent fires. I think I'd look into some stuff like that to keep on hand if possible. Linda -----Original Message----- From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:31 pm Subject: [Roadsters] California Fires A good friend lost everything, Grand Pianos, Hammond B3 organs, Lesiles, Old BMW, tons more 50 yrs of saving worth hundreds of thousands. No insurance. He said "I almost wish I lost my life". In a way he did. I had a house fire on the last day of December. I collect old cars ( have 40 or more) 6 Datsun 1600s. I am a guitarist by trade and lost my studio. I thought the whole house was history. Fire can be Satan, it is VERY scary. My prayers and heart go out to these people who have lost everything. You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 3 20:20:00 2009 From: steven boortz To: ljordan704@netscape.net, dboerst@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 19:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] California Fires OT as if all the losses of life and property weren't enough.... now the investigators are saying it was intentionally set. Arson. ________________________________ From: "ljordan704@netscape.net" To: dboerst@yahoo.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:42:55 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] California Fires OT I think we have to recognize that the fire dept, police etc just can't do it all. There is too much ground to cover. David Geffen hired his own fireman and had them spray his house down with some fire retardent stuff in one of the recent fires. I think I'd look into some stuff like that to keep on hand if possible. Linda -----Original Message----- From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:31 pm Subject: [Roadsters] California Fires A good friend lost everything, Grand Pianos, Hammond B3 organs, Lesiles, Old BMW, tons more 50 yrs of saving worth hundreds of thousands. No insurance. He said "I almost wish I lost my life". In a way he did. I had a house fire on the last day of December. I collect old cars ( have 40 or more) 6 Datsun 1600s. I am a guitarist by trade and lost my studio. I thought the whole house was history. Fire can be Satan, it is VERY scary. My prayers and heart go out to these people who have lost everything. You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 11:09:47 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] SU type carbs My wife has a 1966 1600. The power pistons for the choke stick after the car warms up and will not start unless manually unstick them. I had one wrong piston in it and bought one from a member here, Keith. A BIG thanks to him. Also was looking for top bows and have had quite a few responses. Is there something I need to do? I have oiled them, polished the contact surfaces but still one sticks. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 12:06:11 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Weber carbs and manifold Has anyone done the Weber manifold/carb swap? My gals car is a nice 1966 1600.It has been on the NET as "orange burst" http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2254399 Does anyone have a set up for this car? Any info on parts needed? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 12:29:57 2009 From: vze2fhba@verizon.net To: dboerst@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:15:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber carbs and manifold /7ig6rI: Permission denied ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 15:36:27 2009 From: "hallosb@juno.com" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:28:17 GMT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber carbs and manifold I don't have Webers. I have stock SUs. But, I would be hesitant to try Webers. When you start modifying the carburetion, you have to look at the engine as a whole. If you try to cram more fuel and air into an engine without considering the cylinder heads, cam profile, and exhaust, you're likely to run into problems. Too much carb can kill performance. It's all a balancing act. my two cents. Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Online Fashon Degrees Start earning an online fashion degree from the Art Institutes http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=Q_xa_CCVeSuxGQ8EWJDL1QAAJz3b-7K uMPJffYsq3MtsBROGAAQAAAAFAAAAAARWTj4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFRE3AAAAAA== ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 15:50:48 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: hallosb@juno.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 14:47:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber carbs and manifold My reading over the last couple of years has me believing a correctly sized and jetted Weber/Solex/Mikuni carb setup should add performance (over the SU's) throughout the rpm range, regardless of the rest of the engine build, although not much point if you never exceed 3000 rpm........... Just do your homework to get the correct size and jetting...... My $0.02, fwiw............ Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: >I don't have Webers. I have stock SUs. But, I would be hesitant to try >Webers. > When you start modifying the carburetion, you have to look at the engine > as a > whole. If you try to cram more fuel and air into an engine without > considering > the cylinder heads, cam profile, and exhaust, you're likely to run into > problems. Too much carb can kill performance. It's all a balancing act. > my two cents. > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 17:03:57 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Metering rod I found out why the piston was sticking. A bent metering rod. Does any one know where I can purchase any? The car is a 1966 1600 SPL311. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 18:04:03 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:50:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber carbs and manifold i know from experience, on another car, that if you substantially increase the carburation you will get more power. but not more performance. dan is absolutely right - heads, cam, etc. it all adds up. my older brother once told me, and i think from experience, if you upgrade one thing, it will point out the weakness in something else. upgrade that, and it will point out . . . rinse and repeat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber carbs and manifold >I don't have Webers. I have stock SUs. But, I would be hesitant to try >Webers. > When you start modifying the carburetion, you have to look at the engine > as a > whole. If you try to cram more fuel and air into an engine without > considering > the cylinder heads, cam profile, and exhaust, you're likely to run into > problems. Too much carb can kill performance. It's all a balancing act. > my two cents. > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 4 20:37:43 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: oliver , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:26:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber carbs and manifold >>i know from experience, on another car, that if you substantially increase >> the carburation you will get more power. but not more performance. >> >>dan is absolutely right - heads, cam, etc. it all adds up. Absolutely correct when you are talking about OVERcarburation. It is possible to get Webers etc. in different sizes however, and substantially change the airflow characteristics, for the better, without overcarburating. For instance a set of 40mm solexes on an otherwise stock SU 2L car would likely pick up some performance. For an otherwise stock 1600, 40's would likely be overdoing it. Something like a motorcycle carb in about a 36mm would be more suitable. >> my older brother once told me, and i think from experience, if you >> upgrade one thing, it will point out the weakness in something else. >> upgrade that, and it will point out . . . Is that why I went to bulding a stroker....with efi....and crankfired ignition....and electric fan....and GM alternator....and 240SX 5 spd.......and...... Daryl 'Stock' just doesn't cut it anymore! > > rinse and repeat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > >>I don't have Webers. I have stock SUs. But, I would be hesitant to try >>Webers. >> When you start modifying the carburetion, you have to look at the engine >> as a >> whole. If you try to cram more fuel and air into an engine without >> considering >> the cylinder heads, cam profile, and exhaust, you're likely to run into >> problems. Too much carb can kill performance. It's all a balancing act. >> my two cents. >> Dan McHatton >> '66 1600 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 08:03:30 2009 From: "hallosb@juno.com" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:56:32 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Opinions please I removed all the glass, emblems, handles, etc. to get it ready for body work. I completely disassembled, cleaned and painted all my suspension pieces and painted them with chassis black, satin finish. I also painted the engine bay with the same satin black finish. The car is running, brakes are perfect, wires all neatly wrapped. My engine compartment looks pretty good. The interior is all stripped out. Seats, console, door panels removed. However, the dash pad and gauges are still in tact. I'm about to spend big money having the body stripped to bare metal, correct some poorly done body work, and painted. Now, for the opinion poll. Should I go through the agony of pulling the motor/tranny so, the firewall and inner fenders can be painted with the rest of the car? Should I pull the dash pad, gauges to have the dash painted? One other point, I should add. The motor vibrates quite a bit so, I'm guessing I have a bad motor mount. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrDgzHxM8EBsSigXMsEBD1hV5 6b0UlRYcq6o9tzxL7pukJAcEUY/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 09:18:34 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: hallosb@juno.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:13:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Opinions please Dan, Alot of people paint the engine bay the body color. I like it better, my opinion. I'm sure your car will look great when it is finished. Linda -----Original Message----- From: hallosb@juno.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 6:56 am Subject: [Roadsters] Opinions please I removed all the glass, emblems, handles, etc. to get it ready for body work. I completely disassembled, cleaned and painted all my suspension pieces and painted them with chassis black, satin finish. I also painted the engine bay with the same satin black finish. The car is running, brakes are perfect, wires all neatly wrapped. My engine compartment looks pretty good. The interior is all stripped out. Seats, console, door panels removed. However, the dash pad and gauges are still in tact. I'm about to spend big money having the body stripped to bare metal, correct some poorly done body work, and painted. Now, for the opinion poll. Should I go through the agony of pulling the motor/tranny so, the firewall and inner fenders can be painted with the rest of the car? Should I pull the dash pad, gauges to have the dash painted? One other point, I should add. The motor vibrates quite a bit so, I'm guessing I have a bad motor mount. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrDgzHxM8EBsSigXMsEBD1hV5 6b0UlRYcq6o9tzxL7pukJAcEUY/ You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 09:33:18 2009 From: To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "hallosb@juno.com" Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:26:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Opinions please Dan, I would go all the way! Pull the dash, pull the motor, pul whatever you can. I did it with my car and I am so pleased with the result. You have already done a great deal of work on the car. Pulling these final few items will make your restoration more complete and you more happy. I don't think your costs are going to be that much more. I painted my engine bay the same color as the car and painted the area in front of the radiator and behind the grill black, BTW. Good luck and enjoy the journey. Gary Tew '67 1600, VG30 conversion www.members.cox.net/garytew ---- "hallosb@juno.com" wrote: > I removed all the glass, emblems, handles, etc. to get it ready for body work. > I completely disassembled, cleaned and painted all my suspension pieces and > painted them with chassis black, satin finish. I also painted the engine bay > with the same satin black finish. > The car is running, brakes are perfect, wires all neatly wrapped. My engine > compartment looks pretty good. > The interior is all stripped out. Seats, console, door panels removed. > However, the dash pad and gauges are still in tact. > I'm about to spend big money having the body stripped to bare metal, correct > some poorly done body work, and painted. > Now, for the opinion poll. Should I go through the agony of pulling the > motor/tranny so, the firewall and inner fenders can be painted with the rest > of the car? Should I pull the dash pad, gauges to have the dash painted? > One other point, I should add. The motor vibrates quite a bit so, I'm > guessing I have a bad motor mount. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrDgzHxM8EBsSigXMsEBD1hV5 > 6b0UlRYcq6o9tzxL7pukJAcEUY/ > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as garytew@cox.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 09:34:47 2009 From: "Chris & Christy Breyer" To: ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:34:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Opinions please For the most part I do agree with Linda. The engine bay the same color of the car look really nice. However there are some cases, depending on the body color I like a nice black satin in the engine bay. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:13 AM, wrote: > Dan, > Alot of people paint the engine bay the body color. I like it better, my > opinion. > I'm sure your car will look great when it is finished. > > Linda > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hallosb@juno.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 6:56 am > Subject: [Roadsters] Opinions please > > > > > > > > > > > I removed all the glass, emblems, handles, etc. to get it ready for body > work. > I completely disassembled, cleaned and painted all my suspension pieces and > painted them with chassis black, satin finish. I also painted the engine > bay > with the same satin black finish. > The car is running, brakes are perfect, wires all neatly wrapped. My engine > compartment looks pretty good. > The interior is all stripped out. Seats, console, door panels removed. > However, the dash pad and gauges are still in tact. > I'm about to spend big money having the body stripped to bare metal, > correct > some poorly done body work, and painted. > Now, for the opinion poll. Should I go through the agony of pulling the > motor/tranny so, the firewall and inner fenders can be painted with the > rest > of the car? Should I pull the dash pad, gauges to have the dash painted? > One other point, I should add. The motor vibrates quite a bit so, I'm > guessing I have a bad motor mount. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrDgzHxM8EBsSigXMsEBD1hV5 > 6b0UlRYcq6o9tzxL7pukJAcEUY/ > You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66@gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- Our Classic Rides: '66 1600 '70 521 '73 Mustang Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ If you are lucky enough to stand next to a Datsun, then you are lucky enough. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 09:52:14 2009 From: "Tom Hendricksen" To: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:51:58 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Question about front springs I have recently brought a parts car home. The body has heavy rust and bondo in places, but I have noticed some interesting parts. The 70 right front fender is basically NOS, as are some of the center front body pieces. These parts are still wearing factory primer and in perfect condition. These will be looking for a new home one of these days. The shocks appear to be KONI, and will go to Mr. Hyde. There was also a comp sway bar hiding under the pile of junk that will also go to Mr. Hyde. The front springs appear to be new. From what I understand the chassis was prepared for racing, so they could be comp springs. They have a yellow band painted on them. What does the color signify? Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org GIVE ME MY FREEDOM, MY GUNS, AND MY MONEY..... KEEP THE CHANGE !!!! ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 10:04:15 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: fairlady66@gmail.com Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:58:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Opinions please For the most part I agree with Chris, but if it is going to be black, I prefer a gloss or semi gloss black Linda -----Original Message----- From: Chris & Christy Breyer To: ljordan704@netscape.net Cc: hallosb@juno.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 8:34 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Opinions please For the most part I do agree with Linda.? The engine bay the same color of the car look really nice. However there are some cases, depending on the body color I like a nice black?satin in the engine bay. ? ? On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:13 AM, wrote: ?Dan, Alot of people paint the engine bay the body color. I like it better, my opinion. I'm sure your car will look great when it is finished. Linda -----Original Message----- From: hallosb@juno.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 6:56 am Subject: [Roadsters] Opinions please I removed all the glass, emblems, handles, etc. to get it ready for body work. I completely disassembled, cleaned and painted all my suspension pieces and painted them with chassis black, satin finish. ?I also painted the engine bay with the same satin black finish. The car is running, brakes are perfect, wires all neatly wrapped. My engine compartment looks pretty good. The interior is all stripped out. Seats, console, door panels removed. However, the dash pad and gauges are still in tact. I'm about to spend big money having the body stripped to bare metal, correct some poorly done body work, and painted. Now, for the opinion poll. Should I go through the agony of pulling the motor/tranny so, the firewall and inner fenders can be painted with the rest of the car? ?Should I pull the dash pad, gauges to have the dash painted? One other point, I should add. ?The motor vibrates quite a bit so, I'm guessing I have a bad motor mount. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrDgzHxM8EBsSigXMsEBD1hV5 6b0UlRYcq6o9tzxL7pukJAcEUY/ You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as fairlady66@gmail.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters -- Our Classic Rides: '66 1600 '70 521 '73 Mustang Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ If you are lucky enough to stand next to a Datsun, then you are lucky enough. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 10:05:58 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:05:37 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Valve spring compressor tools Hi List, I posted this to 311 also, but thought i would try here too. Which of the following tools would work the best for an on the car valve spring removal? This is a Sears link showing many different kinds of compressor tools: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=valve+spring+compressor&relatedwords=valve+spring+compressor+tool&x=0&y=0 It is a 1600 and No the head does not need to come off. I want to put some valve seals in this weekend but have never done that before. I know the steps but getting a compressor to work is the main problem. Thanks! Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 10:48:22 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:43:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Opinions please my opinion - paint the engine compartment body color. i powder coated my dash the same approximate color as the body. that looks good. it would also look good, i think, in a contrasting color. or wood veneer or a faux wood, too. someone - alvin? has a gorgeous faux wood dash. > > I removed all the glass, emblems, handles, etc. to get it ready for body > work. > I completely disassembled, cleaned and painted all my suspension pieces > and > > painted them with chassis black, satin finish. ?I also painted the engine > bay > with the same satin black finish. > The car is running, brakes are perfect, wires all neatly wrapped. My > engine > compartment looks pretty good. > > The interior is all stripped out. Seats, console, door panels removed. > However, the dash pad and gauges are still in tact. > I'm about to spend big money having the body stripped to bare metal, > correct > some poorly done body work, and painted. > > Now, for the opinion poll. Should I go through the agony of pulling the > motor/tranny so, the firewall and inner fenders can be painted with the > rest > of the car? ?Should I pull the dash pad, gauges to have the dash painted? > > One other point, I should add. ?The motor vibrates quite a bit so, I'm > guessing I have a bad motor mount. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 10:48:44 2009 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:43:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Valve spring compressor tools Linda, At Sloan Racing, we use cotton rope! Stuff as much into the cylinder through the spark plug hole with the piston at the bottom of the stroke. Then turn the motor over by hand until the cylinder is pushing hard against the rope. Compress the valve spring and pull the keepers. Install new seals, compress the springs and re-install the keepers. Turn the motor backwards to lower the cylinder, and pull out the rope. And since you've used cotton rope, and only cotton rope, any threads left will go up in smoke without damaging the motor. I used this method on my Ford Cortina back in 1972, and have been using it ever since. The compressed air tools/systems are nice, until your compressor stops, a power failure, blown fuse, busted hose, or bad rings let the valve drop! Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of ljordan704@netscape.net Hi List, I posted this to 311 also, but thought i would try here too. Which of the following tools would work the best for an on the car valve spring removal? This is a Sears link showing many different kinds of compressor tools: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=valve+spring+compresso r&relatedwords=valve+spring+compressor+tool&x=0&y=0 It is a 1600 and No the head does not need to come off. I want to put some valve seals in this weekend but have never done that before. I know the steps but getting a compressor to work is the main problem. Thanks! Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 10:50:32 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: 9laser3@bright.net Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:49:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Valve spring compressor tools Hi Paul, Yes I will be using rope only. Low tech for me! I just need to be able to get the darn springs compressed. What tool do you use on the car? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Paul <9laser3@bright.net> To: ljordan704@netscape.net Cc: 'datsun-roadsters' Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 9:43 am Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Valve spring compressor tools Linda, At Sloan Racing, we use cotton rope! Stuff as much into the cylinder through the spark plug hole with the piston at the bottom of the stroke. Then turn the motor over by hand until the cylinder is pushing hard against the rope. Compress the valve spring and pull the keepers. Install new seals, compress the springs and re-install the keepers. Turn the motor backwards to lower the cylinder, and pull out the rope. And since you've used cotton rope, and only cotton rope, any threads left will go up in smoke without damaging the motor. I used this method on my Ford Cortina back in 1972, and have been using it ever since. The compressed air tools/systems are nice, until your compressor stops, a power failure, blown fuse, busted hose, or bad rings let the valve drop! Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of ljordan704@netscape.net Hi List, I posted this to 311 also, but thought i would try here too. Which of the following tools would work the best for an on the car valve spring removal? This is a Sears link showing many different kinds of compressor tools: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=valve+spring+compresso r&relatedwords=valve+spring+compressor+tool&x=0&y=0 It is a 1600 and No the head does not need to come off. I want to put some valve seals in this weekend but have never done that before. I know the steps but getting a compressor to work is the main problem. Thanks! Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 14:03:24 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Weber and manifold Hi all, I want to get rid of the SU type carbs. I have 3 MGs and have had many more for 30 years. I need or shall I say my woman needs?/wants a dependable sports car. She has a 1986 Honda Accord and a GMC 1 ton van. She keeps getting stranded and I have to go and get the car running. By the way the car has a after market tube header, medium lift cam. I have been building small block Chevys for 3 decades also. I shoe-horned a 302 ci (327 block with 283 crank) dual quad tunnel ram, 12 1/2 to 1 forged pistons, 202 heads.....you get the picture into a 1954 Austin Healey 100-4 and a similar engine in a 1964 TR-4 both tubbed with a 9" rearend. I need a "child proof" carb system. I am also looking for metering rods as one is bent and the choke piston sticks. Car is very hard to start. I am thinking since the breathing has already been updated a Weber system might be the way to go. Does the Weber or any other carb have an accelerator pump? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 15:20:44 2009 From: Ronnie Day To: David Boerst Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 16:17:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber and manifold David Boerst I want to get rid of the SU type carbs. I have 3 MGs and have had many more for 30 years. I need or shall I say my woman needs?/wants a dependable sports car. She has a 1986 Honda Accord and a GMC 1 ton van. She keeps getting stranded and I have to go and get the car running. By the way the car has a after market tube header, medium lift cam. I have been building small block Chevys for 3 decades also. I shoe-horned a 302 ci (327 block with 283 crank) dual quad tunnel ram, 12 1/2 to 1 forged pistons, 202 heads.....you get the picture into a 1954 Austin Healey 100-4 and a similar engine in a 1964 TR-4 both tubbed with a 9" rearend. I need a "child proof" carb system. I am also looking for metering rods as one is bent and the choke piston sticks. Car is very hard to start. I am thinking since the breathing has already been updated a Weber system might be the way to go. Does the Weber or any other carb have an accelerator pump? ************************************************************************* David, SUs, in good condition and setup properly, are far better for street use and much track use than Webers or Solexs. That said worn out SUs like I have on my '70 2000 aren't so hot either, as you've found out. However, don't expect to simply stick a set of totally different/usually bigger carbs on a stock motor and have your problem cured, because they won't be. Get a good set of SUs and get them set up right. You won't regret it. Check out Keith Williams' Roadster Ranch ( http://www.datsunroadsterranch.com/) and Z-Therapy (http://ztherapy.com/) for excellent SU info and remanufactured SU sets. HTH, Ron ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 21:13:50 2009 From: Bspark47@aol.com To: ronnie.day@gmail.com, dboerst@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:55:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber and manifold Don't know who may be interested, but I have a NOS set of Hitachi/SUs that I don't need. They are 1.5" but I know they were not originally for 1600 or 2000 engines. The float bowl mounting is at a slightly different angle, but easily changed (a small notch is required at the mounting flange). The needles and jetting and whatnot may or may not be correct, but they are absolutely brand new. It's my favorite carb, but they don't work so easily on flat engines. Just thought I'd throw it out there. Please contact me off-list if you are interested. Bill 70 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 5 23:38:01 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: , Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 22:37:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Valve spring compressor tools I'd go with one of these: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00901533000P?keyword=valve+spring+c ompressor http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00999823000P?keyword=valve+spring+c ompressor#descriptionAnchor Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ljordan704@netscape.net Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:06 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Valve spring compressor tools Hi List, I posted this to 311 also, but thought i would try here too. Which of the following tools would work the best for an on the car valve spring removal? This is a Sears link showing many different kinds of compressor tools: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/search_10153_12605?keyword=valve+spring+compresso r&relatedwords=valve+spring+compressor+tool&x=0&y=0 It is a 1600 and No the head does not need to come off. I want to put some valve seals in this weekend but have never done that before. I know the steps but getting a compressor to work is the main problem. Thanks! Linda Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 06:34:48 2009 From: "Pete Peters" To: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 05:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NOS Hitachi/Su's available (was "RE: Weber and 1.5 inch = 38mm 38mm SU/Hitachis were also used on the R16 motor in RL411's, and 510 L16/L18 motors. Both used different intake manifolds than our roadsters. From Ztherapy website: "Imported into the US on imported raw engines, these are very rare. These are mirror image like the 2L and Z, but are only 38 mm and the carbs are spaced very closely together. Fitted to the 1600, 1800 510 cars. These use the SSS manifold, and the Z style float chamber is indexed and tipped back to keep it level." Since you mention the float bowl angle, I'm guessing these are what you have. Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bspark47@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:55 PM To: ronnie.day@gmail.com; dboerst@yahoo.com Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber and manifold Don't know who may be interested, but I have a NOS set of Hitachi/SUs that I don't need. They are 1.5" but I know they were not originally for 1600 or 2000 engines. The float bowl mounting is at a slightly different angle, but easily changed (a small notch is required at the mounting flange). The needles and jetting and whatnot may or may not be correct, but they are absolutely brand new. It's my favorite carb, but they don't work so easily on flat engines. Just thought I'd throw it out there. Please contact me off-list if you are interested. Bill 70 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 07:34:39 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: dboerst@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:28:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber and manifold Once the SU carbs are sorted they are about as fool proof as it gets. The Hitachi version is easier to adjust and more stable that the original British version. The metering needles need to be matched between the two carbs. Either verify what is in the other one or replace both of them. You had a mismatched piston so there is no telling what needle was in it. If they are mismatched the car will not run right. The Webber carbs are nice as they are infinitely adjustable with all of the jets and such. Of course, if you don't have the jets or skill required they are infinitely misadjustable. How many of us have seen a car that idles badly, has a flat midrange, but runs great at top end. The excuse being "they are racing carbs". The Webber, Solex, Delorto carbs all have accelerator pumps as far as I know. The SU doesn't as it fixes that problem differently. The answer is to use the carbs that you like and are comfortable with. Any properly sized carb in good condition and set up properly will work well. keith williams ccfcccs _http://www.clarkcountyferalcats.org_ (http://www.clarkcountyferalcats.org/) bIf Not Us, Then Who? If Not Now, Then When?b In a message dated 9/5/2009 1:04:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dboerst@yahoo.com writes: Hi all, I want to get rid of the SU type carbs. I have 3 MGs and have had many more for 30 years. I need or shall I say my woman needs?/wants a dependable sports car. She has a 1986 Honda Accord and a GMC 1 ton van. She keeps getting stranded and I have to go and get the car running. By the way the car has a after market tube header, medium lift cam. I have been building small block Chevys for 3 decades also. I shoe-horned a 302 ci (327 block with 283 crank) dual quad tunnel ram, 12 1/2 to 1 forged pistons, 202 heads.....you get the picture into a 1954 Austin Healey 100-4 and a similar engine in a 1964 TR-4 both tubbed with a 9" rearend. I need a "child proof" carb system. I am also looking for metering rods as one is bent and the choke piston sticks. Car is very hard to start. I am thinking since the breathing has already been updated a Weber system might be the way to go. Does the Weber or any other carb have an accelerator pump? You are subscribed as keith0alan@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 07:49:46 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: Bspark47@aol.com, ronnie.day@gmail.com, dboerst@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:41:38 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber and manifold Those would have been for the SSS sedan. It used an R16 motor but a different manifold and the rotated float bowls. The carbs are mounted pointed slightly upward requiring the rotated float bowls. Some of the racing folks preferred this manifold. I have a couple of the manifolds for these carbs if any one is interested. keith williams ccfcccs _http://www.clarkcountyferalcats.org_ (http://www.clarkcountyferalcats.org/) bIf Not Us, Then Who? If Not Now, Then When?b In a message dated 9/5/2009 8:16:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Bspark47@aol.com writes: Don't know who may be interested, but I have a NOS set of Hitachi/SUs that I don't need. They are 1.5" but I know they were not originally for 1600 or 2000 engines. The float bowl mounting is at a slightly different angle, but easily changed (a small notch is required at the mounting flange). The needles and jetting and whatnot may or may not be correct, but they are absolutely brand new. It's my favorite carb, but they don't work so easily on flat engines. Just thought I'd throw it out there. Please contact me off-list if you are interested. Bill 70 You are subscribed as keith0alan@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 16:40:47 2009 From: John Aragao To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] remove my name from list thanks, I no longer want to receive roadster emails John ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 17:08:41 2009 From: Pat Horne To: John Aragao Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:03:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] remove my name from list Look at the bottom of any of the email you receive from this list and click on the http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters link. You will find there the method to remove yourself from the list. Thusly spake John Aragao, On 9/6/2009 5:35 PM: > thanks, I no longer want to receive roadster emails > > John > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pjhorne@mail.utexas.edu > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 20:03:08 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Ebay item # 120464958823. Fuel pump is sitting where the water inlet should be. Dizzy is above the alternator on the driver's side of the car. Water inlet is also on the port side. Is this motor from a RHD car?? Tim ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 20:06:11 2009 From: michael poorboy To: , Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 02:06:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Read the information on the car. It says it has an L20B in it ;) > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 19:02:11 -0700 > From: tputland@charter.net > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? > > Ebay item # 120464958823. > > Fuel pump is sitting where the water inlet should be. Dizzy is above the alternator on the driver's side of the car. Water inlet is also on the port side. > > Is this motor from a RHD car?? > > Tim > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadsterx@hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackTo School_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 20:09:07 2009 From: "oliver" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:08:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? if anyone on the list buys it i have a set of the letters that go on the front. or, if anyone needs a set contact me off list. they are the plastic ones. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 21:37:35 2009 From: "Pete Peters" To: Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 20:15:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Here's a direct link if anyone is interested: Outside pretty, but that engine compartment has a lot of oxidation. Moisture? Water leak? Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael poorboy Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:06 PM To: tputland@charter.net; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Read the information on the car. It says it has an L20B in it ;) -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:02 PM To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Ebay item # 120464958823. Fuel pump is sitting where the water inlet should be. Dizzy is above the alternator on the driver's side of the car. Water inlet is also on the port side. Is this motor from a RHD car?? Tim ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 22:04:15 2009 From: jover4x4@aol.com To: tputland@charter.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:01:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Tim, Its an L series engine stuffed in there.? That was a?swap popular?in the 80s.? John Over -----Original Message----- From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2009 8:02 pm Subject: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Ebay item # 120464958823. Fuel pump is sitting where the water inlet should be. Dizzy is above the alternator on the driver's side of the car. Water inlet is also on the port side. Is this motor from a RHD car?? Tim You are subscribed as jover4x4@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 6 22:20:21 2009 From: Vince Strazzabosco To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 21:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Being in Milwaukee, it might be that the car is being stored somewhere where the air is pretty damp for part of the year. vince --- On Sun, 9/6/09, Pete Peters wrote: > From: Pete Peters > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 10:15 PM > Here's a direct link if anyone is > interested: > > > > Outside pretty, but that engine compartment has a lot of > oxidation. > Moisture? Water leak? > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of michael > poorboy > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:06 PM > To: tputland@charter.net; > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? > > Read the information on the car. It says it has an L20B in > it ;) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tim > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:02 PM > To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? > > Ebay item # 120464958823. > > Fuel pump is sitting where the water inlet should be. Dizzy > is above the > alternator on the driver's side of the car. Water inlet is > also on the port > side. > > Is this motor from a RHD car?? > > Tim > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as vstrazzabosco@yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 00:52:29 2009 From: alvin gogineni To: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:51:56 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] '65-67.6 160mph Speedo/Tach I am selling chrome trimmed 160mph speedo and 7k tach from my roadster, pics here: http://news.webshots.com/album/199632652oPsRxp $400obo for both Alvin Gogineni San Jose, CA 67.5 SPL/SR20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what youre up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 05:34:58 2009 From: Mike Harper To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 04:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] when I got stranded by the 2000... I'm guessing a piece of trash at the needle valve entering your float chanber. Worth a look. Mike Harper, CAI, AARE Harper Auction & Realty 843-729-4996 "Experience Sells" www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Tim wrote: > From: Tim > Subject: [Roadsters] when I got stranded by the 2000... > To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 6:18 PM > I put what should have been a good > fuel pump on the 2000 last weekend. After strong running for > a couple dozen miles--in town and freeway--I was on an > uphill and started to lose power. After pulling around a > corner onto a flat area, the car started back up and I was > able to drive home. > > Connie commented that I was on an uphill when I was > stranded the first time a few weeks ago. > > When I remove the plugs and spin the motor to see gas flow > into a jar, the flow seems fine. The car seems to run just > fine at idle. But I am now kind of hesitant to take her out > without knowing what is up. > > I did put screens on the banjo bolts as well as a new see > through fuel filter. This fuel filter looks fine. > > any other thoughts on this issue? > > TIA > > Tim > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as roadsterdude1600@yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 05:36:03 2009 From: "Steve Harvey" To: "'Tim'" , "'datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net'" Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:33:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Group, If someone on the list is interested in this car I'll be happy to drive over and take a look at it. Steve Harvey Milwaukee -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 9:02 PM To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? Ebay item # 120464958823. Fuel pump is sitting where the water inlet should be. Dizzy is above the alternator on the driver's side of the car. Water inlet is also on the port side. Is this motor from a RHD car?? Tim You are subscribed as stebharvey@ameritech.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 09:23:28 2009 From: Mike Harper To: David Boerst , Ronnie Day Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 08:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Weber and manifold David, I have had MG's also. The Skinner-Union Carbs and the Hitachi SU's are almost identical in design, but that is where the comparison ends IMHO. The Japanese took the design and made it work. If the components are not worn out, once you do a basic rebuild and set them once, you likely will not have ti fiddle with them again. So much more trouble free than the Brits - I was amazed. I swear by my Hitachi SU's. YMMV Mike Harper, CAI, AARE Harper Auction & Realty 843-729-4996 "Experience Sells" www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 10:53:21 2009 From: Steve Ehlers To: gsglasgow@comcast.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:48:21 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] the NEVER ENDING story and EI distributors ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 13:54:16 2009 From: Jeff Torres To: Datsun Roadster Mail Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Aluminum Radiator Set-up for a 1600 Hey All, Looking to put in a 3 row aluminum radiator set-up in my 1600. Saw an Ebay ad for "Champion" brand radiators for a 1600. Does anyone have a Champion? Do they bolt right up? Anyone know of other alumimum, radiator suppliers? Info would be helpful! Thanks! Jeff T. 1600 Lemoore, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 14:39:33 2009 From: Eddie To: Jeff Torres Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 13:33:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Aluminum Radiator Set-up for a 1600 The Champion radiators do bolt right in HOWEVER, there are a couple of things you should know. They DO NOT FIT "all" 1600 motors like they are listed on Ebay. The fan shrouds on the 1600's had different bolt holes depending on the years. The vertical distance between the fan shroud mounting holes was either 6.25" for PRE 1967.5 and 7" for the POST 1967.5 years. (My Champion radiator had the 6.25 vertical distance. and fit my 1966 1600.) HOWEVER, the two bolt holes underneath the radiator for the air scoop were NOT in the right spot. So, if you want to use a stock fan shroud, AND your vehicle is POST 1967.5, odds are it won't fit. IF you're going electric, OR your existing fan shroud is the earlier model, it shouldn't matter. Not sure what the issue of the bottom air scoop holes is. BTW, I have some 3 row radiators that have been gone completely over by a reputable radiator shop that I'm selling for less than you'd buy a Champion for. Anyone who's interested can Email me off list. Eddie Jeff Torres wrote: > Hey All, > > Looking to put in a 3 row aluminum radiator set-up in my 1600. Saw an Ebay ad > for "Champion" brand radiators for a 1600. Does anyone have a Champion? Do > they bolt right up? Anyone know of other alumimum, radiator suppliers? Info > would be helpful! > > Thanks! > > Jeff T. > 1600 > Lemoore, CA > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as eddietude@socal.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 16:54:58 2009 From: "dave" To: Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:50:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What's wrong with this car?? L-20B motor swap, saya it on line 1. If done well, not a bad setup. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Harvey [mailto:stebharvey@ameritech.net] Group, If someone on the list is interested in this car I'll be happy to drive over and take a look at it. Steve Harvey Milwaukee -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Ebay item # 120464958823. Fuel pump is sitting where the water inlet should be. Dizzy is above the alternator on the driver's side of the car. Water inlet is also on the port side. Is this motor from a RHD car?? Tim You are subscribed as stebharvey@ameritech.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 7 23:41:42 2009 From: geegc@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:30:34 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Engine hoist in LA I have an extra heavy engine hoist and balance (5000 lbs) for sale, way more than needed for a roadster, but it has pulled engines out of my 2000 and 1600 several times.? Much more substantial than the ones sold in AutoZone or PepBoys. Its in Silver Lake, near Dodger Stadium, $120 gets it, I am beyond pulling engines at this point, and could use the room in my garage. Thought I would offer it to the list before I put it on craigslist. Gary C ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 07:56:06 2009 From: "hallosb@juno.com" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:48:36 GMT Subject: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders First, a thanks for all the responses on the engine bay color opinion poll. I spent the weekend doing an inventory on the chrome for my Roadster. I used some hand polish to check the condition and was surprised to see how well it cleaned up. I would like to polish all my chrome and stainless. Any parts that don't clean up or need repair, I'll send out for re-conditioning. Since I don't think I would use a dedicated buffing machine very often, I would like to buy a bench grinder and then a set of buffing wheels/polishes. Any suggestions on a good grinder. I hear the cheap Harbor Freight grinders vibrate badly. I would like something nice that will last. I'm also not sure whether to buy a dual speed. I understand you need a lower rpm for buffing plastic. There's not much plastic to buff so, maybe it's not worth the expense. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrFguBPIgN08cQWsUYiOVFE6D RnTqBXmuWgtJpP2p7a5pUyrJLq/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:11:01 2009 From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "hallosb@juno.com" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 7:06:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders I need a grinder as well, so please post to the list, or at least CC me. Thanks! Tim ---- "hallosb@juno.com" wrote: ============= First, a thanks for all the responses on the engine bay color opinion poll. I spent the weekend doing an inventory on the chrome for my Roadster. I used some hand polish to check the condition and was surprised to see how well it cleaned up. I would like to polish all my chrome and stainless. Any parts that don't clean up or need repair, I'll send out for re-conditioning. Since I don't think I would use a dedicated buffing machine very often, I would like to buy a bench grinder and then a set of buffing wheels/polishes. Any suggestions on a good grinder. I hear the cheap Harbor Freight grinders vibrate badly. I would like something nice that will last. I'm also not sure whether to buy a dual speed. I understand you need a lower rpm for buffing plastic. There's not much plastic to buff so, maybe it's not worth the expense. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrFguBPIgN08cQWsUYiOVFE6D RnTqBXmuWgtJpP2p7a5pUyrJLq/ You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:25:33 2009 From: Bill Oakes To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:24:21 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering control box Another one step forward and two steps back on the roadster project. I was really excited about putting the last of the suspension back together, putting on hubs, brakes and wheels and putting it back down on the ground, but then....steering control box started binding up. Then it completely failed, not turning at all. I took it apart and the little roller bearings holding in the tab the goes into the worm bearing (sorry for slaughtering the correct terms there) fell out in my hand. Instead of rebuilding everything, I got in touch with other local roadster guy Matt, who had a box from a '69 that looked like it would fit. You guessed it. I wrestled it for quite a while and it looks like I'd have to grind a small notch in the body/frame to get it in there. Am I right? Has anyone attempted the same thing? Or, how hard/expensive is it to rebuild the original box? thanks -bill '68 2000 Solex ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:25:55 2009 From: davesmbox@aol.com To: tputland@charter.net Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:25:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Get Two. For the grinder just go to sears. A 6 or 8" is fine get the stand. For the buffer spend the bucks and get a good kit from Eastwood. Harbor Freight is Chinese CRAP. If you don't use it much the stuff is OK but for a good shop tool avoid them. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; hallosb@juno.com Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 10:06 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders I need a grinder as well, so please post to the list, or at least CC me. Thanks! Tim ---- "hallosb@juno.com" wrote: ============= First, a thanks for all the responses on the engine bay color opinion poll. I spent the weekend doing an inventory on the chrome for my Roadster. I used some hand polish to check the condition and was surprised to see how well it cleaned up. I would like to polish all my chrome and stainless. Any parts that don't clean up or need repair, I'll send out for re-conditioning. Since I don't think I would use a dedicated buffing machine very often, I would like to buy a bench grinder and then a set of buffing wheels/polishes. Any suggestions on a good grinder. I hear the cheap Harbor Freight grinders vibrate badly. I would like something nice that will last. I'm also not sure whether to buy a dual speed. I understand you need a lower rpm for buffing plastic. There's not much plastic to buff so, maybe it's not worth the expense. TIA, Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrFguBPIgN08cQWsUYiOVFE6D RnTqBXmuWgtJpP2p7a5pUyrJLq/ You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as davesmbox@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:41:03 2009 From: "MH" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:32:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders I have a cheap Harbor Freight grinder that I use along with a variable speed control (that was also from HF, for about $8 at the time). They're not real heavy and they can scoot around a little bit. I use bar clamps to anchor to my bench and it's no problem at all. For safety's sake, you should always solidly mount a grinder to something anyway. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders > First, a thanks for all the responses on the engine bay color opinion poll. > I spent the weekend doing an inventory on the chrome for my Roadster. I used > some hand polish to check the condition and was surprised to see how well it > cleaned up. I would like to polish all my chrome and stainless. Any parts that > don't clean up or need repair, I'll send out for re-conditioning. > Since I don't think I would use a dedicated buffing machine very often, I > would like to buy a bench grinder and then a set of buffing wheels/polishes. > Any suggestions on a good grinder. I hear the cheap Harbor Freight grinders > vibrate badly. I would like something nice that will last. > I'm also not sure whether to buy a dual speed. I understand you need a lower > rpm for buffing plastic. There's not much plastic to buff so, maybe it's not > worth the expense. > TIA, > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > ____________________________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:41:26 2009 From: "SlowBoy" To: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:39:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering control box I used this write up when I did mine. The only difference is I didn't bend the frame out of the way. I cut and welded. http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.SteeringBoxSwap -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Oakes Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:24 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Steering control box Another one step forward and two steps back on the roadster project. I was really excited about putting the last of the suspension back together, putting on hubs, brakes and wheels and putting it back down on the ground, but then....steering control box started binding up. Then it completely failed, not turning at all. I took it apart and the little roller bearings holding in the tab the goes into the worm bearing (sorry for slaughtering the correct terms there) fell out in my hand. Instead of rebuilding everything, I got in touch with other local roadster guy Matt, who had a box from a '69 that looked like it would fit. You guessed it. I wrestled it for quite a while and it looks like I'd have to grind a small notch in the body/frame to get it in there. Am I right? Has anyone attempted the same thing? Or, how hard/expensive is it to rebuild the original box? thanks -bill '68 2000 Solex You are subscribed as slowboy@cox.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2352 - Release Date: 09/07/09 18:03:00 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:43:11 2009 From: "MH" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:43:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering control box If it's the later style RCB box, you don't have to notch the frame, just snug up a 10" or 12" crescent wrench on the flange and bend it back. It's super easy and will hardly be noticed. I'd also recommend buying a Pitman arm puller, a cheap $15 one from a chain autoparts store will do the trick. Makes R&R of the steering box SOoooo much easier! Some of the stores also have a "tool loan" program that you can use for free. That's what I did, and when I found out how great it worked, I went out and bought the cheap tool. I used it on another spare box and it worked perfectly. Here's a write-up with pics on the 311s.org site: http://www.311s.org/pmwiki-311/pmwiki.php?n=TechSection.SteeringBoxSwap Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Oakes" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Steering control box > Another one step forward and two steps back on the roadster project. > > I was really excited about putting the last of the suspension back > together, putting on hubs, brakes and wheels and putting it back down > on the ground, but then....steering control box started binding up. > Then it completely failed, not turning at all. I took it apart and the > little roller bearings holding in the tab the goes into the worm > bearing (sorry for slaughtering the correct terms there) fell out in > my hand. > > Instead of rebuilding everything, I got in touch with other local > roadster guy Matt, who had a box from a '69 that looked like it would > fit. > > You guessed it. I wrestled it for quite a while and it looks like I'd > have to grind a small notch in the body/frame to get it in there. > > Am I right? Has anyone attempted the same thing? > > Or, how hard/expensive is it to rebuild the original box? > > thanks > -bill > > '68 2000 Solex > ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 08:55:44 2009 From: "MH" To: , Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering control box Here's a pic of my late box installed. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Oakes" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Steering control box > Another one step forward and two steps back on the roadster project. > > I was really excited about putting the last of the suspension back > together, putting on hubs, brakes and wheels and putting it back down > on the ground, but then....steering control box started binding up. > Then it completely failed, not turning at all. I took it apart and the > little roller bearings holding in the tab the goes into the worm > bearing (sorry for slaughtering the correct terms there) fell out in > my hand. > > Instead of rebuilding everything, I got in touch with other local > roadster guy Matt, who had a box from a '69 that looked like it would > fit. > > You guessed it. I wrestled it for quite a while and it looks like I'd > have to grind a small notch in the body/frame to get it in there. > > Am I right? Has anyone attempted the same thing? > > Or, how hard/expensive is it to rebuild the original box? > > thanks > -bill > > '68 2000 Solex Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2353 - Release Date: 09/08/09 06:48:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 100_1137.JPG] ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:18:25 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'MH'" , , Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:05:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Good point about anchoring the grinder. I don't currently have room for a dedicated grinder stand and I got tired of chasing the grinder all over the workbench, but I didn't want to bolt it in place and take up all that room on the bench. My cheapo solution was to drill two holes in the workbench and then drop a couple of bolts through the grinder into those holes and use them like dowel pins. It's not 100% solid but it seems to work well enough. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MH Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:32 AM To: hallosb@juno.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders I have a cheap Harbor Freight grinder that I use along with a variable speed control (that was also from HF, for about $8 at the time). They're not real heavy and they can scoot around a little bit. I use bar clamps to anchor to my bench and it's no problem at all. For safety's sake, you should always solidly mount a grinder to something anyway. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:29:56 2009 From: "Joe Russo" To: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:21:38 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question I put a NOS fuel pump on my U20. After about 6 months, fuel started coming out of the weep holes on lower part of the pump body. I suspect these holes are there to exhaust the air from the diaphragm. SO I pulled the pump and the diaphragm was decomposing (old rubber) but I could see no holes . I replaced the pump with a spare I had taken from a running engine. It too has fuel coming from these holes...another bad diaphragm? Could it be any thing else - like a clog in a carb banjo bolt filter? Car starts easily and runs strong - as long as you don't mind the smell of gas (not to mention, going up in flames!) Carbs are new beauties from Keith! Thx Joe ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:42:32 2009 From: Eddie To: Gordon Glasgow Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:32:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Thought I'd chime in on this one. Bench grinders can be extremely dangerous. You've got a wheel spinning at 5,000 rpm or more. Trying to grind something on a grinder that isn't anchored down is asking for trouble. I've known people who've seriously messed themselves up, nearly ripped off fingers, ripped apart flesh, etc, because they decided to use a grinder that wasn't anchored. It's a bad idea. All it takes is for you to put too much pressure, or for something to catch, and that grinder can flip over and go flying. Now you've got an object with a spinning wheel tearing around your garage, and you're right next to it. If you don't want to loose workbench space, then make some holes and use bolts and wingnuts so you can remove it quickly and easily. But PLEASE don't use a grinder that isn't bolted down. ( I know, now people are going to say they've done it that way for years and they've never had a problem. To that I say, you've been lucky. People drive without seatbelts and survive too, people ride bikes without helmets and survive. Just because you've used a grinder that wasn't bolted down and haven't lost a finger doesn't mean you're not taking an unnecessary chance every time you do it....) Better to be safe than sorry... Eddie Gordon Glasgow wrote: > Good point about anchoring the grinder. I don't currently have room for a > dedicated grinder stand and I got tired of chasing the grinder all over the > workbench, but I didn't want to bolt it in place and take up all that room > on the bench. My cheapo solution was to drill two holes in the workbench and > then drop a couple of bolts through the grinder into those holes and use > them like dowel pins. It's not 100% solid but it seems to work well enough. > > Gordon Glasgow > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MH > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:32 AM > To: hallosb@juno.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders > > I have a cheap Harbor Freight grinder that I use along with a variable speed > control (that was also from HF, for about $8 at the time). They're not real > heavy and they can scoot around a little bit. I use bar clamps to anchor to > my bench and it's no problem at all. For safety's sake, you should always > solidly mount a grinder to something anyway. > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as eddietude@socal.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:44:00 2009 From: "alagams@juno.com" To: jrusso07@rochester.rr.com Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:42:53 GMT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question Sounds like the diapragms are bad. I would get a new diaphragm for the NOS fuel pump. ____________________________________________________________ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJkoMsC4aW4uuifcNCVHqesCE0R uh6KzC6w4tgUUjZj6oEzwutC0o/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 09:56:31 2009 From: "Garth Cuthbert" To: "'Joe Russo'" , Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:53:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question Seems the fuel pump diaphragm is failing due to fatigue by travelling further than design. You may want to check the thickness of the spacer between your block and fuel pump. When I rebuilt my U20 the original spacer was 0.187". I installed a spacer included in the Nissan gasket and seal kit I got for the rebuild. It was almost twice the thickness. It might be something else. G -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Russo Sent: September-08-09 8:22 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question I put a NOS fuel pump on my U20. After about 6 months, fuel started coming out of the weep holes on lower part of the pump body. I suspect these holes are there to exhaust the air from the diaphragm. SO I pulled the pump and the diaphragm was decomposing (old rubber) but I could see no holes . I replaced the pump with a spare I had taken from a running engine. It too has fuel coming from these holes...another bad diaphragm? Could it be any thing else - like a clog in a carb banjo bolt filter? Car starts easily and runs strong - as long as you don't mind the smell of gas (not to mention, going up in flames!) Carbs are new beauties from Keith! Thx Joe You are subscribed as gcuthber@telus.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 10:26:04 2009 From: Dave Cooke To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:16:10 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil filters Found this on the 311s Tech Wiki, but it doesn't show which engine these are for. I would assume the oil filter on a 1600 is different than a 2000. Can someone please clarify. *311 Engine Oil Filter Section* Ever wonder what oil filters fit the roadsters? Well, here is a listing compiled by one of the list members. Sorry, I cannot remember who it was. If anyone has others-please let us know. - Mobil 1 filter #M1-205--NEW - Hastings LF 387 - AC - PF34 - Puralator - FCO-42 or PER42 or L30119 - Motorcraft - FL-13 or FL-181 - Lee - LF-42HP - Deutsch - D601 (available at Autozone) - Nissan - old #15208-13210, new #15208-H8920 - Nissan - old #15208-65002, new #15208-43G00 - Toyota - 15601-33021 - Bosch - 72 or 133 - Napa - 1512(G Hare-didnt work on my particular 69 2000. Plenty of length, problem looks to be the threaded portion too far recessed from the sealing surface.) - Pennzoil PZ 8 - Wix 51515 - Wix 51512-5 3/4" high for use with oil tube - AC PF34 - Crossland 2035 - Bosch 72137 - Beck-Arnely 8889 - Purolator L 30042 - K&N PN HP2008 filter will work correctly on the Roadsters with the drainback tube removed. *Last updated 02/04/08* -- Dave Cooke Midwest Roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 10:41:36 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: jrusso07@rochester.rr.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:36:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question I was told one of the most important reasons for fixing a pump like that is because gas if leaking out the weep hole can also be getting into the crankcase and gas in the oil is BAD for the engine parts. So Nissan sells a rebuild kit with diaphram a rubber seal but only the early pumps are easily rebuildable. See Rallye site for more info. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Joe Russo To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:21 am Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question I put a NOS fuel pump on my U20. After about 6 months, fuel started coming out of the weep holes on lower part of the pump body. I suspect these holes are there to exhaust the air from the diaphragm. SO I pulled the pump and the diaphragm was decomposing (old rubber) but I could see no holes . I replaced the pump with a spare I had taken from a running engine. It too has fuel coming from these holes...another bad diaphragm? Could it be any thing else - like a clog in a carb banjo bolt filter? Car starts easily and runs strong - as long as you don't mind the smell of gas (not to mention, going up in flames!) Carbs are new beauties from Keith! Thx Joe You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 10:56:06 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 9:46:37 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] NOS fuel pumps--diff question How many of you all have recenlty purchased AND installed an NOS fuel pump, only to find a bad diaphram? I recently purchased an NOS fuel pump in order to have a known good back up and now I wonder if the rubber bits are going to be bad after all these years... Tim ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 11:29:11 2009 From: "Joe Russo" To: "'Garth Cuthbert'" , Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:28:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question Thanks Garth and Gary, Fuel pump #3 (from a spare engine) seems to have done the trick. I checked the spacer and it is correct (compared to 2 others on U20 engines). I bought a couple of these spacers new from Nissan a few years back. I will pick up a repair kit and rebuild the NOS unit. The diaphragm is petty dried out - lots of chalky black rubber on it - down-right grungy, It's not very rubbery at all. I read somewhere, probably this list, the original rubber can't handle some of the modern fuel additives - I would have thought it would have lasted longer than 6 months... This car also happens to have an electric fuel pump that is mounted but not connected. I works fine except I hate the clicking noise it makes. I keep it there "just in case". Getting her ready for Watkins Glen this weekend! Thx Joe -----Original Message----- From: Garth Cuthbert [mailto:gcuthber@telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:54 AM To: 'Joe Russo'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question Seems the fuel pump diaphragm is failing due to fatigue by travelling further than design. You may want to check the thickness of the spacer between your block and fuel pump. When I rebuilt my U20 the original spacer was 0.187". I installed a spacer included in the Nissan gasket and seal kit I got for the rebuild. It was almost twice the thickness. It might be something else. G -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Russo Sent: September-08-09 8:22 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question I put a NOS fuel pump on my U20. After about 6 months, fuel started coming out of the weep holes on lower part of the pump body. I suspect these holes are there to exhaust the air from the diaphragm. SO I pulled the pump and the diaphragm was decomposing (old rubber) but I could see no holes . I replaced the pump with a spare I had taken from a running engine. It too has fuel coming from these holes...another bad diaphragm? Could it be any thing else - like a clog in a carb banjo bolt filter? Car starts easily and runs strong - as long as you don't mind the smell of gas (not to mention, going up in flames!) Carbs are new beauties from Keith! Thx Joe You are subscribed as gcuthber@telus.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 11:42:09 2009 From: Eddie To: SlowBoy Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:36:26 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Fuel Pumps Due to all this talk I see here, I thought i'd throw this out there. I've seen fuel pumps for these cars readily available as an aftermarket item, and they're very inexpensive... I think my local Pep boys even sold them.... ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 11:56:30 2009 From: Gary and Cindy Ault To: boakes@gmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering control box Bill, Sounds like you have an early box (Type"A"). The bearings you mention are not real expensive, but the worm gear is very expensive, if it needs to be replaced. Those bearings, in at least one steering box configuration, are intended to be loose, which is a good reason to not let the roller peg slip out of the roller when taking the box apart. I was not able to remove the early box from my '67-1/2 with the Pittman arm in place. I turned the thing every which way, but could not find an angle which would let me get it out. (I have been told it is possible, but I couldn't do it.) So, I bolted the box back up, and used a link separator, a.k.a. "pickle fork", along with a 48 ounce hammer to get the arm off the steering box shaft. I thought it wouldn't come off at all, so, accompanied with language appropriate to the circumstances, I let the fork have it with a real good blow. Off it came. I have a couple of gear pullers, but could not get a good purchase on the arm with the box in the car. Maybe a Pittman arm puller has arms better suited to Pittman arms. I could have gone out and bought another puller, but decided to try the link separator instead. Couldn't get the box out of the car with the amr in place, and couldn't get the arm off with any of my pullers. Sort of a Catch 22 situation. I replaced the original box with a used unit which has very smooth travel throughout the range of motion, and no on-center clearance issues. Been happy with the substitution. I understand that a couple of minor frame modifications are needed to fit a late recirculating ball Type "B" box to an early car. Gary ________________________________ From: Bill Oakes To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 9:24:21 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Steering control box Another one step forward and two steps back on the roadster project. I was really excited about putting the last of the suspension back together, putting on hubs, brakes and wheels and putting it back down on the ground, but then....steering control box started binding up. Then it completely failed, not turning at all. I took it apart and the little roller bearings holding in the tab the goes into the worm bearing (sorry for slaughtering the correct terms there) fell out in my hand. Instead of rebuilding everything, I got in touch with other local roadster guy Matt, who had a box from a '69 that looked like it would fit. You guessed it. I wrestled it for quite a while and it looks like I'd have to grind a small notch in the body/frame to get it in there. Am I right? Has anyone attempted the same thing? Or, how hard/expensive is it to rebuild the original box? thanks -bill '68 2000 Solex ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 11:57:11 2009 From: Dan Kroninger To: Datsun Mailing List , Dave Cooke Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: Oil filters Dave, The Napa 1512 is for the 1600. Tim runs this on his and he is really happy with it. I would run one on mine if I could get the old one off. Wasted a good chunk on my day on that yesterday. I think that is the only oil seal on the car that does work. Dan -Dairyland Datsuns > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:16:10 -0500 > From: cookefam314@gmail.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Oil filters > > Found this on the 311s Tech Wiki, but it doesn't show which engine these are > for. I would assume the oil filter on a 1600 is different than a 2000. Can > someone please clarify. > > *311 Engine Oil Filter Section* > > Ever wonder what oil filters fit the roadsters? Well, here is a listing > compiled by one of the list members. Sorry, I cannot remember who it was. If > anyone has others-please let us know. > > - Mobil 1 filter #M1-205--NEW > - Hastings LF 387 > - AC - PF34 > - Puralator - FCO-42 or PER42 or L30119 > - Motorcraft - FL-13 or FL-181 > - Lee - LF-42HP > - Deutsch - D601 (available at Autozone) > - Nissan - old #15208-13210, new #15208-H8920 > - Nissan - old #15208-65002, new #15208-43G00 > - Toyota - 15601-33021 > - Bosch - 72 or 133 > - Napa - 1512(G Hare-didnt work on my particular 69 2000. Plenty of > length, problem looks to be the threaded portion too far recessed from the > sealing surface.) > - Pennzoil PZ 8 > - Wix 51515 > - Wix 51512-5 3/4" high for use with oil tube > - AC PF34 > - Crossland 2035 > - Bosch 72137 > - Beck-Arnely 8889 > - Purolator L 30042 > - K&N PN HP2008 filter will work correctly on the Roadsters with the > drainback tube removed. > > *Last updated 02/04/08* > > -- > Dave Cooke > Midwest Roadsters > ________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 11:57:19 2009 From: "Joe Russo" To: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:53:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question Good point - time for an oil change! -----Original Message----- From: ljordan704@netscape.net [mailto:ljordan704@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:36 PM To: jrusso07@rochester.rr.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fuel Pump Question I was told one of the most important reasons for fixing a pump like that is because gas if leaking out the weep hole can also be getting into the crankcase and gas in the oil is BAD for the engine parts. So Nissan sells a rebuild kit with diaphram a rubber seal but only the early pumps are easily rebuildable. See Rallye site for more info. Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 11:57:38 2009 From: geegc@aol.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:57:13 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Hood release cable I need a new one for my 66, the existing cable is frayed and sticks.? anyone just replace the wire rather than the entire assembly?? Any step by step to show how to take the wire out? Gary C 1966 1600 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 12:32:10 2009 From: Tim To: Dave Cooke , Datsun Mailing List Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:02:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: Oil filters Not sure if both exist, but the filter is the 1512 GOLD. Tim ---- Dan Kroninger wrote: ============= Dave, The Napa 1512 is for the 1600. Tim runs this on his and he is really happy with it. I would run one on mine if I could get the old one off. Wasted a good chunk on my day on that yesterday. I think that is the only oil seal on the car that does work. Dan -Dairyland Datsuns > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:16:10 -0500 > From: cookefam314@gmail.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Oil filters > > Found this on the 311s Tech Wiki, but it doesn't show which engine these are > for. I would assume the oil filter on a 1600 is different than a 2000. Can > someone please clarify. > > *311 Engine Oil Filter Section* > > Ever wonder what oil filters fit the roadsters? Well, here is a listing > compiled by one of the list members. Sorry, I cannot remember who it was. If > anyone has others-please let us know. > > - Mobil 1 filter #M1-205--NEW > - Hastings LF 387 > - AC - PF34 > - Puralator - FCO-42 or PER42 or L30119 > - Motorcraft - FL-13 or FL-181 > - Lee - LF-42HP > - Deutsch - D601 (available at Autozone) > - Nissan - old #15208-13210, new #15208-H8920 > - Nissan - old #15208-65002, new #15208-43G00 > - Toyota - 15601-33021 > - Bosch - 72 or 133 > - Napa - 1512(G Hare-didnt work on my particular 69 2000. Plenty of > length, problem looks to be the threaded portion too far recessed from the > sealing surface.) > - Pennzoil PZ 8 > - Wix 51515 > - Wix 51512-5 3/4" high for use with oil tube > - AC PF34 > - Crossland 2035 > - Bosch 72137 > - Beck-Arnely 8889 > - Purolator L 30042 > - K&N PN HP2008 filter will work correctly on the Roadsters with the > drainback tube removed. > > *Last updated 02/04/08* > > -- > Dave Cooke > Midwest Roadsters > ________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 13:45:13 2009 From: Pat Horne To: Dave Cooke Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:40:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters I've tried the Deutsch D-601 filters on my 1600. They are not to be considered reliable. The construction of the mounting plate only allowed the filter to spin on about 3/4 of a turn, not nearly enough for safety! I tried several, from different stores and they were all alike. This was over 5 years ago, but I still won't consider using one on my engine. My favorite filter is the Wix 51512 filter. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Dave Cooke, On 9/8/2009 11:16 AM: > Found this on the 311s Tech Wiki, but it doesn't show which engine these are > for. I would assume the oil filter on a 1600 is different than a 2000. Can > someone please clarify. > > *311 Engine Oil Filter Section* > > Ever wonder what oil filters fit the roadsters? Well, here is a listing > compiled by one of the list members. Sorry, I cannot remember who it was. If > anyone has others-please let us know. > > - Mobil 1 filter #M1-205--NEW > - Hastings LF 387 > - AC - PF34 > - Puralator - FCO-42 or PER42 or L30119 > - Motorcraft - FL-13 or FL-181 > - Lee - LF-42HP > - Deutsch - D601 (available at Autozone) > - Nissan - old #15208-13210, new #15208-H8920 > - Nissan - old #15208-65002, new #15208-43G00 > - Toyota - 15601-33021 > - Bosch - 72 or 133 > - Napa - 1512(G Hare-didnt work on my particular 69 2000. Plenty of > length, problem looks to be the threaded portion too far recessed from the > sealing surface.) > - Pennzoil PZ 8 > - Wix 51515 > - Wix 51512-5 3/4" high for use with oil tube > - AC PF34 > - Crossland 2035 > - Bosch 72137 > - Beck-Arnely 8889 > - Purolator L 30042 > - K&N PN HP2008 filter will work correctly on the Roadsters with the > drainback tube removed. > > *Last updated 02/04/08* > > -- > Dave Cooke > Midwest Roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pjhorne@mail.utexas.edu > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 14:28:02 2009 From: John F Sandhoff To: Dave Cooke Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters > I would assume the oil filter on a 1600 is different than a 2000. I don't think so. I use the same part number on both my R and U-20. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 16:14:11 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: tputland@charter.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:03:42 EDT Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster ranch carbs, or how the cats ate my year Hello all, There are several of you waiting for me to get carbs done for you. Let me explain why I am being slower than usual. As I have mentioned before I am medically retired due to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS). This is entirely different than CRS, Can't Remember Stuff. A year ago this October while helping a friend with some stray/feral cats, I found that the county here was considering an ordinance to make managing these cats with a process called Trap, Neuter and Release legal. This is something a number of folks have been doing for some time and it was about time the county accepted the reality that it works and is being done already. The ordinance created a volunteer position to assist in getting things organized and under way. How hard could it be? Sort of like in those movies where the leader asks for volunteers to step forward and everybody but one steps back, that volunteer was me. I have no regrets but this is taking up almost all of my time. Many of my project are on hold until I can get this sorted out. Carbs are one of the few things that I am working on at all and like I said they are being slower than usual. I am slowly getting other volunteers organized to take on some of the tasks that I have been doing with the cats. Many of these things have not been done here before so I am pretty much making it up as I go along. As I get things figured out and other folks trained I hope to be able to get back to my regular life. Until that happens I ask for your patience. Thanks, keith williams ccfcccs _http://www.clarkcountyferalcats.org_ (http://www.clarkcountyferalcats.org) ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 18:13:45 2009 From: Gary and Cindy Ault To: Dave Cooke , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 17:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters I believe the spin-on oil filters for the 1600 and 2000 are the same. Others which work: Fram PH2825 STP S2870A Make sure that, whatever filter you select, there is sufficient clearance for the drain-back tube. I have seen filters which application charts say will ift which interfered with the tube. The interference was not enough to prevent the filter from seating, but would affect oil delivery to the engine. I don't think removing the drain-back tube is a good idea. As I understand it, the tube keeps oil in the block gallery, and allows oil to the upper chain tensioner in the head more quickly on start-up. Gary ________________________________ From: Dave Cooke To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 11:16:10 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Oil filters Found this on the 311s Tech Wiki, but it doesn't show which engine these are for. I would assume the oil filter on a 1600 is different than a 2000. Can someone please clarify. *311 Engine Oil Filter Section* Ever wonder what oil filters fit the roadsters? Well, here is a listing compiled by one of the list members. Sorry, I cannot remember who it was. If anyone has others-please let us know. - Mobil 1 filter #M1-205--NEW - Hastings LF 387 - AC - PF34 - Puralator - FCO-42 or PER42 or L30119 - Motorcraft - FL-13 or FL-181 - Lee - LF-42HP - Deutsch - D601 (available at Autozone) - Nissan - old #15208-13210, new #15208-H8920 - Nissan - old #15208-65002, new #15208-43G00 - Toyota - 15601-33021 - Bosch - 72 or 133 - Napa - 1512(G Hare-didnt work on my particular 69 2000. Plenty of length, problem looks to be the threaded portion too far recessed from the sealing surface.) - Pennzoil PZ 8 - Wix 51515 - Wix 51512-5 3/4" high for use with oil tube - AC PF34 - Crossland 2035 - Bosch 72137 - Beck-Arnely 8889 - Purolator L 30042 - K&N PN HP2008 filter will work correctly on the Roadsters with the drainback tube removed. *Last updated 02/04/08* -- Dave Cooke Midwest Roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 19:58:59 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: aultgc@att.net, cookefam314@gmail.com, Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:56:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters There have been references to the Fram filters being complete junk. There was a site that compared filters and Fram did not do well. Check out the Wix site for why they think their filter is good. I was convinced. They have one for use with or without the tube. http://www.wixfilters.com/ Linda -----Original Message----- From: Gary and Cindy Ault To: Dave Cooke ; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters I believe the spin-on oil filters for the 1600 and 2000 are the same. Others which work: Fram PH2825 STP S2870A Make sure that, whatever filter you select, there is sufficient clearance for the drain-back tube. I have seen filters which application charts say will ift which interfered with the tube. The interference was not enough to prevent the filter from seating, but would affect oil delivery to the engine. I don't think removing the drain-back tube is a good idea. As I understand it, the tube keeps oil in the block gallery, and allows oil to the upper chain tensioner in the head more quickly on start-up. Gary ________________________________ From: Dave Cooke To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 11:16:10 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Oil filters Found this on the 311s Tech Wiki, but it doesn't show which engine these are for. I would assume the oil filter on a 1600 is different than a 2000. Can someone please clarify. *311 Engine Oil Filter Section* Ever wonder what oil filters fit the roadsters? Well, here is a listing compiled by one of the list members. Sorry, I cannot remember who it was. If anyone has others-please let us know. - Mobil 1 filter #M1-205--NEW - Hastings LF 387 - AC - PF34 - Puralator - FCO-42 or PER42 or L30119 - Motorcraft - FL-13 or FL-181 - Lee - LF-42HP - Deutsch - D601 (available at Autozone) - Nissan - old #15208-13210, new #15208-H8920 - Nissan - old #15208-65002, new #15208-43G00 - Toyota - 15601-33021 - Bosch - 72 or 133 - Napa - 1512(G Hare-didnt work on my particular 69 2000. Plenty of length, problem looks to be the threaded portion too far recessed from the sealing surface.) - Pennzoil PZ 8 - Wix 51515 - Wix 51512-5 3/4" high for use with oil tube - AC PF34 - Crossland 2035 - Bosch 72137 - Beck-Arnely 8889 - Purolator L 30042 - K&N PN HP2008 filter will work correctly on the Roadsters with the drainback tube removed. *Last updated 02/04/08* -- Dave Cooke Midwest Roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 8 23:59:14 2009 From: Gary Boone To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Modern car body design changes Hey roadster fans, Just a little trivia here. I'm sure everyone has noticed that over the last 3 to 5 years that front end body designs have transformed from a wedge shape to a very blunt front shape, starting with European cars. I read in one of the car magazines at least 5 years ago, that this concept of a blunt front end started in Germany because of the need to reduce the severity of injury to pedestrians when they get hit by a car. I think that may not be a totally legitimate reason for designing a car with a blunt front end body design when it increases the cars' coefficient of drag as opposed to a wedge shape. It seems it would be detrimental to fuel mileage and performance at higher speeds. Pedestrians need to be smarter in my opinion. Now the Asian and American car makers are adopting the same body design. I have not checked out the coefficient of drag on the modern cars. Car magazines once upon a time would publish the coefficient of drag but not anymore. Maybe the engineers have figured out a way to make a front blunt just as aerodynamic as a wedge front end. Anyone seen any coefficient of drag data on these blunt cars? BTW, our roadsters have that blunt front end. Is there any published info on coefficient of drag on Datsun roadsters? Gary ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 06:26:10 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: gboone70@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 08:21:01 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Modern car body design changes With the pressure to get as good a gas mileage as possible I expect they figured out how to keep the drag numbers low. One thing I noticed is how many more bugs the roadster collects compared to a modern car. I suspect this is due to abrupt changes in air flow direction particularly in the windshield area. The bugs being denser than air cannot keep up and end up against the windshield. Modern cars with smoother flow carry the bugs around the car better. This airflow improvement should produce less drag. keith In a message dated 9/8/2009 10:59:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gboone70@yahoo.com writes: Hey roadster fans, Just a little trivia here. I'm sure everyone has noticed that over the last 3 to 5 years that front end body designs have transformed from a wedge shape to a very blunt front shape, starting with European cars. I read in one of the car magazines at least 5 years ago, that this concept of a blunt front end started in Germany because of the need to reduce the severity of injury to pedestrians when they get hit by a car. I think that may not be a totally legitimate reason for designing a car with a blunt front end body design when it increases the cars' coefficient of drag as opposed to a wedge shape. It seems it would be detrimental to fuel mileage and performance at higher speeds. Pedestrians need to be smarter in my opinion. Now the Asian and American car makers are adopting the same body design. I have not checked out the coefficient of drag on the modern cars. Car magazines once upon a time would publish the coefficient of drag but not anymore. Maybe the engineers have figured out a way to make a front blunt just as aerodynamic as a wedge front end. Anyone seen any coefficient of drag data on these blunt cars? BTW, our roadsters have that blunt front end. Is there any published info on coefficient of drag on Datsun roadsters? Gary You are subscribed as keith0alan@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 06:27:24 2009 From: "Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED10)" To: Gary Boone , Datsun Roadster List Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:23:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Modern car body design changes Hey Gary - The Bosch Automotive Handbook lists the Cw of open convertibles as .5 to .7 and the 'ponton' or sedan body as .4 to .55 (top up..). The wedge shape body is .3 to .4. I think what drives the design of a car are the marketing folks and not engineers. The automotive industry is a cost driven industry so marketing roles at the end of the day. Personally I like a car with a 'grill'. Phil Hall NASA/MSFC/ED10 Systems Engineering work : 256-544-2525 cell: 256-975-6385 -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Boone Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:57 AM To: Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] Modern car body design changes Hey roadster fans, Just a little trivia here. I'm sure everyone has noticed that over the last 3 to 5 years that front end body designs have transformed from a wedge shape to a very blunt front shape, starting with European cars. I read in one of the car magazines at least 5 years ago, that this concept of a blunt front end started in Germany because of the need to reduce the severity of injury to pedestrians when they get hit by a car. I think that may not be a totally legitimate reason for designing a car with a blunt front end body design when it increases the cars' coefficient of drag as opposed to a wedge shape. It seems it would be detrimental to fuel mileage and performance at higher speeds. Pedestrians need to be smarter in my opinion. Now the Asian and American car makers are adopting the same body design. I have not checked out the coefficient of drag on the modern cars. Car magazines once upon a time would publish the coefficient of drag but not anymore. Maybe the engineers have figured out a way to make a front blunt just as aerodynamic as a wedge front end. Anyone seen any coefficient of drag data on these blunt cars? BTW, our roadsters have that blunt front end. Is there any published info on coefficient of drag on Datsun roadsters? Gary You are subscribed as phillip.b.hall@msfc.nasa.gov Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 07:11:13 2009 From: Mike Harper To: aultgc@att.net, cookefam314@gmail.com, Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters Wix makes NAPA filters. The NAPA Gold is the same as the best Wix according to my knowledgeable source. Mike Harper, CAI, AARE Harper Auction & Realty 843-729-4996 "Experience Sells" www.AuctionMyRealEstate.NET --- On Tue, 9/8/09, ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: > From: ljordan704@netscape.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters > To: aultgc@att.net, cookefam314@gmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 9:56 PM > There have been references to the > Fram filters being complete junk. There was a site that > compared filters and Fram did not do well. Check out the Wix > site for why they think their filter is good. I was > convinced. They have one for use with or without the tube. > http://www.wixfilters.com/ > > Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 09:13:29 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:02:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters Here's a couple of links on 311 to a discussion on the Fram filters as well as a link to an oil filter study: http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3962&start=0&hilit=oil+filters http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7724&start=0&hilit=oil+filters Linda -----Original Message----- From: Gary and Cindy Ault To: cookefam314@gmail.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; ljordan704@netscape.net Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters I hae used Fram filters on my car for over 25 years with no problems.? Stick with what you like, but, if I can find Fram PH-2825 (not too common any more), I'll buy them. ? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: aultgc@att.net ; cookefam314@gmail.com ; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil filters There have been references to the Fram filters being complete junk. There was a site that compared filters and Fram did not do well. Check out the Wix site for why they think their filter is good. I was convinced. They have one for use with or without the tube. http://www.wixfilters.com/ Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 10:17:37 2009 From: "hallosb@juno.com" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:15:58 GMT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders So, you don't think I can get by with buying the buffing wheels/polishes from Eastwood and mounting them to a bench grinder. I think I would use a grinder a lot more than the buffer and then I would have less stuff to store. Hopefully, Sears will have something made in the US. More and more of their power tools, hydraulic jacks, etc. are made in China. The only exception is their hand tools. Still made in USA. Dan McHatton '66 1600 ----------------------------------------------- Get Two. For the grinder just go to sears. A 6 or 8" is fine get the stand. For the buffer spend the bucks and get a good kit from Eastwood. Harbor Freight is Chinese CRAP. If you don't use it much the stuff is OK but for a good shop tool avoid them. Dave ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrGKxo1lBooAqBNUsAWwXCL39 M1LihU02GqBjDEHkajjEKHRdSI/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 10:42:15 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: hallosb@juno.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:36:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders If you aren't going to be doing that much buffing I'd just get the grinder and the polishing wheels. Parts on my car, like the door guards, got polished that way,? Or I'd get a grinder and a cheap Harbor Freight buffer, because, again, it doesn't need to last because you won't be using it that much anyway. -----Original Message----- From: hallosb@juno.com To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 9:15 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders So, you don't think I can get by with buying the buffing wheels/polishes from Eastwood and mounting them to a bench grinder. I think I would use a grinder a lot more than the buffer and then I would have less stuff to store. Hopefully, Sears will have something made in the US. More and more of their power tools, hydraulic jacks, etc. are made in China. The only exception is their hand tools. Still made in USA. Dan McHatton '66 1600 ----------------------------------------------- Get Two. For the grinder just go to sears. A 6 or 8" is fine get the stand. For the buffer spend the bucks and get a good kit from Eastwood. Harbor Freight is Chinese CRAP. If you don't use it much the stuff is OK but for a good shop tool avoid them. Dave ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrGKxo1lBooAqBNUsAWwXCL39 M1LihU02GqBjDEHkajjEKHRdSI/ You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 10:56:38 2009 From: Eddie To: ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:47:29 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders My own personal opinion? Don't buy cheap tools. EVER. Regardless of the "amount of use" a tool will get. Buy good tools, and you'll never buy another one of that particular tool for the rest of your life... Cheap tools that have things like hydraulics or spinning parts can be very dangerous. If that thing blows apart while you're near it.... well, I'm sure you can guess... Eddie ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: > If you aren't going to be doing that much buffing I'd just get the grinder and the polishing wheels. Parts on my car, like the door guards, got polished that way,? Or I'd get a grinder and a cheap Harbor Freight buffer, because, again, it doesn't need to last because you won't be using it that much anyway. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hallosb@juno.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 9:15 am > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders > > > > > > > > > > > So, you don't think I can get by with buying the buffing wheels/polishes from > Eastwood and mounting them to a bench grinder. I think I would use a grinder a > lot more than the buffer and then I would have less stuff to store. > > Hopefully, Sears will have something made in the US. More and more of their > power tools, hydraulic jacks, etc. are made in China. The only exception is > their hand tools. Still made in USA. > > Dan McHatton > '66 1600 > > > ----------------------------------------------- > Get Two. For the grinder just go to sears. A 6 or 8" is fine get the stand. > For > the buffer spend the bucks and get a good kit from Eastwood. Harbor Freight is > Chinese > CRAP. If you don't use it much the stuff is OK but for a good shop tool avoid > them. > > Dave > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrGKxo1lBooAqBNUsAWwXCL39 > M1LihU02GqBjDEHkajjEKHRdSI/ > You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as eddietude@socal.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 11:00:09 2009 From: davesmbox@aol.com To: eddietude@socal.rr.com Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:59:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Well said. I agree -----Original Message----- From: Eddie To: ljordan704@netscape.net Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders My own personal opinion? Don't buy cheap tools. EVER. Regardless of the "amount of use" a tool will get. Buy good tools, and you'll never buy another one of that particular tool for the rest of your life...? ? Cheap tools that have things like hydraulics or spinning parts can be very dangerous. If that thing blows apart while you're near it.... well, I'm sure you can guess...? ? Eddie? ? ? ? ljordan704@netscape.net wrote:? > If you aren't going to be doing that much buffing I'd just get the grinder and the polishing wheels. Parts on my car, like the door guards, got polished that way,? Or I'd get a grinder and a cheap Harbor Freight buffer, because, again, it doesn't need to last because you won't be using it that much anyway. >? >? >? > >? >? > >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: hallosb@juno.com ? > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net? > Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 9:15 am? > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > So, you don't think I can get by with buying the buffing wheels/polishes from? > Eastwood and mounting them to a bench grinder. I think I would use a grinder a? > lot more than the buffer and then I would have less stuff to store.? >? > Hopefully, Sears will have something made in the US. More and more of their? > power tools, hydraulic jacks, etc. are made in China. The only exception is? > their hand tools. Still made in USA.? >? > Dan McHatton? > '66 1600? >? >? > -----------------------------------------------? > Get Two. For the grinder just go to sears. A 6 or 8" is fine get the stand.? > For? > the buffer spend the bucks and get a good kit from Eastwood. Harbor Freight is? > Chinese? > CRAP. If you don't use it much the stuff is OK but for a good shop tool avoid? > them.? >? > Dave? >? >? >? > ____________________________________________________________? > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here!? > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrGKxo1lBooAqBNUsAWwXCL39? > M1LihU02GqBjDEHkajjEKHRdSI/? > You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net? >? > Datsun-roadsters mailing list? >? > http://www.team.net/archive? >? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters? > ________________________________________? > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? >? > You are subscribed as eddietude@socal.rr.com? >? > Datsun-roadsters mailing list? >? > http://www.team.net/archive? >? > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters? ________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? You are subscribed as davesmbox@aol.com? ? Datsun-roadsters mailing list? ? http://www.team.net/archive? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 11:11:44 2009 From: "MH" To: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 12:11:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Snap-on tools are good and they're not cheap. Mike Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders > Well said. I agree > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eddie > To: ljordan704@netscape.net > Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders > > > My own personal opinion? Don't buy cheap tools. EVER. Regardless of the "amount of use" a tool will get. Buy good tools, and you'll never buy another one of that particular tool for the rest of your life...? > ? > Cheap tools that have things like hydraulics or spinning parts can be very dangerous. If that thing blows apart while you're near it.... well, I'm sure you can guess...? > ? > Eddie? > ? > ? > ? > ljordan704@netscape.net wrote:? > > If you aren't going to be doing that much buffing I'd just get the grinder and the polishing wheels. Parts on my car, like the door guards, got polished that way,? Or I'd get a grinder and a cheap Harbor Freight buffer, because, again, it doesn't need to last because you won't be using it that much anyway. >? > >? > >? > > >? > >? > > >? > > -----Original Message-----? > > From: hallosb@juno.com ? > > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net? > > Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 9:15 am? > > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > >? > > So, you don't think I can get by with buying the buffing wheels/polishes from? > > Eastwood and mounting them to a bench grinder. I think I would use a grinder a? > > lot more than the buffer and then I would have less stuff to store.? > >? > > Hopefully, Sears will have something made in the US. More and more of their? > > power tools, hydraulic jacks, etc. are made in China. The only exception is? > > their hand tools. Still made in USA.? > >? > > Dan McHatton? > > '66 1600? > >? > >? > > -----------------------------------------------? > > Get Two. For the grinder just go to sears. A 6 or 8" is fine get the stand.? > > For? > > the buffer spend the bucks and get a good kit from Eastwood. Harbor Freight is? > > Chinese? > > CRAP. If you don't use it much the stuff is OK but for a good shop tool avoid? > > them.? > >? > > Dave? > >? > >? > >? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 12:16:52 2009 From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Since we're talking grinders....any thoughts on 6-inch vs 8-inch? Pete ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 13:29:14 2009 From: davesmbox@aol.com To: ppeters914@comcast.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:21:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders spend the money on a 8 inch -----Original Message----- From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Sent: Wed, Sep 9, 2009 2:03 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Since we're talking grinders....any thoughts on 6-inch vs 8-inch? Pete You are subscribed as davesmbox@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 15:44:46 2009 From: "dave" To: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:39:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Modern car body design changes So do these newer blunt front cars also help carry pedestrians up and over the windshield? :) My Dodge truck, blunt as a brick, tends to harvest huge amounts of insects while driving, but I would guess it has a less than optimal airflow around the body Dave Brisco -----Original Message----- From: Keith0alan@aol.com [mailto:Keith0alan@aol.com] With the pressure to get as good a gas mileage as possible I expect they figured out how to keep the drag numbers low. One thing I noticed is how many more bugs the roadster collects compared to a modern car. I suspect this is due to abrupt changes in air flow direction particularly in the windshield area. The bugs being denser than air cannot keep up and end up against the windshield. Modern cars with smoother flow carry the bugs around the car better. This airflow improvement should produce less drag. keith ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 15:45:27 2009 From: "dave" To: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:42:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders The buffers have a longer shaft to get the wheels out where you can work with them. Grinders tend to enclose the wheels. There are kits to mount a buffing wheel to a plain electric motor, might offer a budget solution. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: hallosb@juno.com [mailto:hallosb@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:16 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders So, you don't think I can get by with buying the buffing wheels/polishes from Eastwood and mounting them to a bench grinder. I think I would use a grinder a lot more than the buffer and then I would have less stuff to store. Hopefully, Sears will have something made in the US. More and more of their power tools, hydraulic jacks, etc. are made in China. The only exception is their hand tools. Still made in USA. Dan McHatton '66 1600 ----------------------------------------------- Get Two. For the grinder just go to sears. A 6 or 8" is fine get the stand. For the buffer spend the bucks and get a good kit from Eastwood. Harbor Freight is Chinese CRAP. If you don't use it much the stuff is OK but for a good shop tool avoid them. Dave ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrGKxo1lBooAqBNUsAWwXCL3 9 M1LihU02GqBjDEHkajjEKHRdSI/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 9 15:59:22 2009 From: "E Scanlon" To: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:47:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Semi-OT: Bench grinders Buffer motors can also have higher Torque settings than grinders. FWIW E ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 08:45:11 2009 From: Eric Gillis To: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:35:52 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Oil drain plug washer size? Riddle me this Batmen and Robins- What size is the copper crush washer for a 69 1600 Roadster's oil drain pan plug? I went to many a kragens, pep boys, etc but wasn't convinced about size/availability. Don't have original with me as it is still holding oil in pan (save a couple of drops here and there). Not wanting to chase a simple oil leak post oil change like I did with my Supra, I went to get factory parts. When I went to Nissan, I got what I think is the 'smaller' of two options for the Roadster, seemed about 5/8-3/4 inch or so in diameter. I base this 'two sizes' opinion on the information gleaned from 311s.org and vendors pages to determine sizing. Just trying to get the parts together for a 'simple' oil change and would like to prevent any 'do-overs' Minden, NV trip is next weekend!!!! Thanks in advance, Eric G _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what youre up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 19:31:55 2009 From: "The Bankers" To: Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:23:57 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Heater Valve I recently joined the mailing list and enjoy reading everyone's comments, notes, etc. I am well on my way to restoring my 66 and your notes have been quite useful way up here in the Northeastern part of the world (New Hampshire). I am looking for a used heater valve for a 1966 1600 Roadster if anyone has one as I really don't want to spend the money on a new one. This is the valve under the dash located after the elbow (~3" in diameter). Shawn ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 20:02:55 2009 From: "E Scanlon" To: "The Bankers" , Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:02:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Heater Valve Unless I'm completely mistaken, 66 1600 heater valve isn't located under the dash, it's located in the engine compartment in that area directly behind the valve cover. At least that's the way it is in my 67 1600. There isn't enough room behind the Heater Plenum itself to have a valve positioned there. I'm not referring to the bypass valve at the carburators, that's the total "ON/OFF" valve. The one you're referring to is the one that allows you to have a "little bit of heat" or the full blown enchilada. But, all that aside, due to the difficulties and arm-bending contortions you'll be faced with, do you REALLY want to have to do it again if (when) it fails? Just my 2 cents. E > I am looking for a used heater valve for a 1966 1600 Roadster if anyone > has > one as I really don't want to spend the money on a new one. This is the > valve > under the dash located after the elbow (~3" in diameter). > > Shawn ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 10 23:01:59 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'Eric Gillis'" , Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:54:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Oil drain plug washer size? Outside diameter 22mm Inside diameter 15.5mm Thickness 3mm Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Gillis Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:36 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Oil drain plug washer size? Riddle me this Batmen and Robins- What size is the copper crush washer for a 69 1600 Roadster's oil drain pan plug? I went to many a kragens, pep boys, etc but wasn't convinced about size/availability. Don't have original with me as it is still holding oil in pan (save a couple of drops here and there). Not wanting to chase a simple oil leak post oil change like I did with my Supra, I went to get factory parts. When I went to Nissan, I got what I think is the 'smaller' of two options for the Roadster, seemed about 5/8-3/4 inch or so in diameter. I base this 'two sizes' opinion on the information gleaned from 311s.org and vendors pages to determine sizing. Just trying to get the parts together for a 'simple' oil change and would like to prevent any 'do-overs' Minden, NV trip is next weekend!!!! Thanks in advance, Eric G _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what youre up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON : WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 05:02:16 2009 From: "The Bankers" To: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject) I was not clear when I said I needed a heater valve for my 66. I am looking for the heater AIR valve, not the coolant/water valve. This is the valve that controls the amount of outside air into the cabin area and is roughly 3" in diameter and is connected to the heater controls via cable. It mounts with four small screws. Mine is rotted so the hinge is gone. Under the Rallye website, it is listed as part #271-10. Sorry about the confusion and I am still looking for one. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 12:33:45 2009 From: "E Scanlon" To: "The Bankers" , Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:30:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] (no subject) I apologize for the misunderstanding as well. Re-reading your original post, I obviously jumped to a different conclusion, hence my reply. That one is also a pain to get to, but thankfully not as much as the water one. When I refurbished mine, the screws holding it in place sheared off flush with the base. It can be quite a chore drilling and tapping the mounting nuts to get a new screw in there. You might want to check those before you install your replacement part. Good Luck Enrique ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Bankers" Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject) >I was not clear when I said I needed a heater valve for my 66. I am >looking > for the heater AIR valve, not the coolant/water valve. This is the valve > that > controls the amount of outside air into the cabin area and is roughly 3" > in > diameter and is connected to the heater controls via cable. It mounts > with > four small screws. Mine is rotted so the hinge is gone. Under the > Rallye > website, it is listed as part #271-10. > > Sorry about the confusion and I am still looking for one. > ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 13:49:40 2009 From: Stan Chernoff To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:41:23 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Roadster Sighting in Long Beach, CA Saw a '69 1600 in the VA parking lot in Long Beach about 10:00 am. Car was metallic blue with a tan top and POW/MIA front license plate. Anybody on the list? Stan ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 15:33:42 2009 From: Michael Knorr To: Datsun Roadster Listserver Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:23:33 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Another Thread on Synthetic Oils I just read my Datsun Roadster Book's short treatise on synthetic oils and its warning about not to use Mobil 1 on 1968 two-liters. I have a 1966 SPL and have been using Mobil 1 5W-30 since the day I switched to synthetic about four years ago. The only leak the car has is about a pint every 3,000 or so miles around the pan gasket, and that leak has been present since long before I switched to Mobil 1. What are the problems with Mobil 1? What are listers' recommendations for synthetics, and where does one buy them? I originally bought Mobil 1 because my parts store had gallons of the stuff, it's been around for years, and I don't worry about it losing viscosity when my car sits in storage all winter -- yeah, I can't wait to move back to the West Coast. Any and all help is appreciated. Regards, Michael Knorr 1966 SPL311-03639 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 18:03:51 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:57:49 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] EI dizzy timing specs I cannot find the instructions that Gary included with the dizzy I bought from him. Someone PLEASE send me the timing specs for a 1970 1600 that has been desmogged and is running a GB EI dizzy. Thanks Tim ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 18:49:33 2009 From: Gary Boone To: Tim , "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] EI dizzy timing specs Tim, My instructions are on www.311s.org in the WIKI Tech Section under Ignition. Gary ________________________________ From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:57:49 PM Subject: [Roadsters] EI dizzy timing specs I cannot find the instructions that Gary included with the dizzy I bought from him. Someone PLEASE send me the timing specs for a 1970 1600 that has been desmogged and is running a GB EI dizzy. Thanks Tim ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 19:04:50 2009 From: Tim To: Gary Boone , "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:01:29 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] EI dizzy timing specs oh My GOD. Am I an idiot or what? All I can think about is the public touring at Elkhart Lake tomorrow and taking one of my Roadsters on the Road America track for some hot laps. I guess I knew the info I needed was there all along. SIGH. Thanks Gary. check the signature all...you know...the end where all is explained..... Tim Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning Clueless in Wisconsin ;-) ---- Gary Boone wrote: ============= Tim, My instructions are on www.311s.org in the WIKI Tech Section under Ignition. Gary ________________________________ From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:57:49 PM Subject: [Roadsters] EI dizzy timing specs I cannot find the instructions that Gary included with the dizzy I bought from him. Someone PLEASE send me the timing specs for a 1970 1600 that has been desmogged and is running a GB EI dizzy. Thanks Tim ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 19:19:25 2009 From: Gary Boone To: Michael Knorr , Datsun Roadster Listserver Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Another Thread on Synthetic Oils Michael, I've used Mobil 1 5W-30 for years in my U20 engine with no problem, but that rear main rope seal is an antiquated design and very difficult to make it seal 100%. However, within the last few years, most motor oils have reduced or eliminated the zinc/phosphorous additive, ZDDP (necessary for good lubrication for the U20 and R16 engines' cams due to there flat tappet design). Most modern oils have reduced or eliminated this additive to prevent contamination/poisoning of the catalytic converter (not a concern for a roadster unless you've added a cat). See this article: http://www.aa1car.com/library/motor_oil_additives.htm There are plenty of other articles on the web if you google "flat tappet ZDDP". Mobil has a web page on it too, and Mobil 1 5W-30 has reduced or eliminated the ZDDP. There are other Mobil 1 oils that still have the ZDDP, but they're heavier viscosity oils. There are oils and additives out there that still have ZDDP additive, such as the synthetic Redline 5W-30 High Performance Oil, which is what I'm using now. Gary From: Michael Knorr To: Datsun Roadster Listserver Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:23:33 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Another Thread on Synthetic Oils What are the problems with Mobil 1? What are listers' recommendations for synthetics, and where does one buy them? I originally bought Mobil 1 because my parts store had gallons of the stuff, it's been around for years, and I don't worry about it losing viscosity when my car sits in storage all winter -- yeah, I can't wait to move back to the West Coast. Any and all help is appreciated. Regards, Michael Knorr 1966 SPL311-03639 ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 11 21:21:15 2009 From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:19:44 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] eBay Item 260475130641 There is a nice looking roadster for sale on eBay, Item 260475130641. The initial listing was so full of blatant inaccuracies, one has to question the integrity of the seller. He clearly does not know what he is selling, and I wonder what else is seriously wrong with this car considering all of the misrepresentations in the intitial listing. The listing has been revised with a note saying it only has a 4-speed, and does not have airi conditioning or power anti-lock brakes after I called him out on these points. It still says it has an AM/FM stereo, but it looks like a stock AM to me. My advice to anyone on the list who might think they interested in this car is to avoid it unless you make a very thorough personal inspection. The seller cannot be relied upon to be truthful. Gary ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 01:50:47 2009 From: john_m_toda@yahoo.com To: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] how to remove a roadster door leveler? trying to remove the doors and having a little problem with the leveler. what's the trick? thanks, jt From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 09:37:15 2009 From: "May, Frank" To: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:21:25 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Third Posting 1969 SRL311-12936 Happy Saturday, Bear with me as the first part of this note perhaps doesn't look like it belongs here....... My wife and I do a lot of home canning, and after processing the last batch of tomatoes, I attempted to remove the bands from the jars so I could wash them before storing. The bands were stuck. The solution was to hold the jar under running water. This got some "lubrication" between the metal band and the glass jar, and also dissolved away some of the tomato juice which may have come out of the jar during processing. And you ask, "How does this apply to Datsun Roadsters?" In my First Posting to the group, I said I was beginning to restore my 1969 roadster. The machinist who will be working on the motor requires that I first get the crank turning (indicating the pistons are not "seized" in the cylinders). I put a socket on the vibration damper nut and attempted to turn, but it wouldn't. I've shot lots of lubricant into the spark plug holes, without apparent effect. With the scenario of the canning jars above, what is the chance that the problem is not stuck pistons, but rather, dry bearings (crank, rods, cam, jackshaft, etc), and if I could get some lubricant to them I might get the motor innards to move? If the issue is really dry bearings (it's been sitting without running since about 1974), how might I externally pump oil into the motor? Some years ago I watched another motor being restored. The machinist gravity fed oil into the oil pressure sender port to be sure there was lubrication on the bearings before attempting to start the newly rebuilt motor. Does anyone have insight into how I might attempt this with the U20 motor? Looking for lots of responses....... Frank May St. Louis County, Missouri ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 10:35:31 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: Frank.L.May@umsl.edu, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:16:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting Stupid question of the day: Could you drop the oil pan and shoot some oil up into the innards? would be a bit of a pain but there could be a bunch of gunk in the pan you don't want circulating anyway. Linda -----Original Message----- From: May, Frank To: Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 8:21 am Subject: [Roadsters] Third Posting 1969 SRL311-12936 Happy Saturday, Bear with me as the first part of this note perhaps doesn't look like it belongs here....... My wife and I do a lot of home canning, and after processing the last batch of tomatoes, I attempted to remove the bands from the jars so I could wash them before storing. The bands were stuck. The solution was to hold the jar under running water. This got some "lubrication" between the metal band and the glass jar, and also dissolved away some of the tomato juice which may have come out of the jar during processing. And you ask, "How does this apply to Datsun Roadsters?" In my First Posting to the group, I said I was beginning to restore my 1969 roadster. The machinist who will be working on the motor requires that I first get the crank turning (indicating the pistons are not "seized" in the cylinders). I put a socket on the vibration damper nut and attempted to turn, but it wouldn't. I've shot lots of lubricant into the spark plug holes, without apparent effect. With the scenario of the canning jars above, what is the chance that the problem is not stuck pistons, but rather, dry bearings (crank, rods, cam, jackshaft, etc), and if I could get some lubricant to them I might get the motor innards to move? If the issue is really dry bearings (it's been sitting without running since about 1974), how might I externally pump oil into the motor? Some years ago I watched another motor being restored. The machinist gravity fed oil into the oil pressure sender port to be sure there was lubrication on the bearings before attempting to start the newly rebuilt motor. Does anyone have insight into how I might attempt this with the U20 motor? Looking for lots of responses....... Frank May St. Louis County, Missouri You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 10:36:00 2009 From: Ronnie Day To: "May, Frank" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:34:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting Frank, If you have a truly seized (galled) bearing I don't think getting oil into the system is going to help. My bet is on stuck piston rings. I'd look at pulling the head yourself so you can make sure your penetrate is going all the way around all of the cylinder bores. That will also let you get a gook look at the condition of the cylinder walls. HTH, Ron ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 11:04:38 2009 From: "Richard Brown" To: "Ronnie Day" , "May, Frank" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:57:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting You can pull the distributor and tower. That will expose the oil pump drive. Put an old screwdriver shaft in a drill and use it to turn the pump counter clockwise. I would put fresh oil in the pan first. I was given a car that had sat for 20 years. Everything was frozen up, including the oil pump. When I finally tore it down the pistons were all stuck. When I got the pistons out the rings were frozen in the pistons. It took weeks of soaking, banging, and cursing to get that engine apart. That car had been sitting on the dirt covered with a tarp. Good Luck Richard Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronnie Day" To: "May, Frank" Cc: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting > Frank, > If you have a truly seized (galled) bearing I don't think getting oil into > the system is going to help. My bet is on stuck piston rings. I'd look at > pulling the head yourself so you can make sure your penetrate is going all > the way around all of the cylinder bores. That will also let you get a > gook > look at the condition of the cylinder walls. > > HTH, > Ron > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as reblues@gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 11:05:04 2009 From: Bill Oakes To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Steering control box So, before making the adjusts to make the '69 steering control box fit in my '68 I thought I'd dig into the old one a little deeper. Again, it was binding up and when I took it apart it just didn't feel good, so I thought i'd save time and get a replacement. Turns out what was making the trouble was the bearings that hold in the tab (that slips into the worm gear to turn everything) into the assembly shaft fell into the worm gear and made the trouble. See picture at: http://picasaweb.google.com/boakes/SteeringAssemblyShaft#5380624385680449122 It kind of looks like the the caps at the top and bottom of that shaft are "punched in" and you can't get in there. True? So, if I can get just the assembly shaft I think I'm back in business. Thoughts anyone? thanks Bill '68 2000 Solex ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 15:33:52 2009 From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Richard Brown" , "Ronnie Day" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:25:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting Richard, You also need to pull the intermediate shaft (Assembly, Shaft-Driving according to Nissan) which is driven by either the camshaft (R16) or jackshaft (U20). Then you can put a screwdriver bit into the slotted end of the oil pump shaft. With the intermediate shaft in place, you'll be trying to turn the motor via the camshaft or jackshaft. Sorry if that was implied by your response, but some folks who read these notes might not know that. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Brown" To: "Ronnie Day" ; "May, Frank" Cc: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting > You can pull the distributor and tower. That will expose the oil pump > drive. Put an old screwdriver shaft in a drill and use it to turn the pump > counter clockwise. I would put fresh oil in the pan first. > > I was given a car that had sat for 20 years. Everything was frozen up, > including the oil pump. When I finally tore it down the pistons were all > stuck. When I got the pistons out the rings were frozen in the pistons. > It took weeks of soaking, banging, and cursing to get that engine apart. > That car had been sitting on the dirt covered with a tarp. > > Good Luck > Richard Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronnie Day" > To: "May, Frank" > Cc: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting > > >> Frank, >> If you have a truly seized (galled) bearing I don't think getting oil >> into >> the system is going to help. My bet is on stuck piston rings. I'd look at >> pulling the head yourself so you can make sure your penetrate is going >> all >> the way around all of the cylinder bores. That will also let you get a >> gook >> look at the condition of the cylinder walls. >> >> HTH, >> Ron >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as reblues@gmail.com >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 15:49:15 2009 From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: , Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:45:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering control box Bill, Unless some parts were missing, I don't know of a way those needle bearings could fall out with the box assembled. When you puled the top off the box, and pulled the rocker shaft out of the ousing, the roller peg could have fallen out, allowing the needle bearigs to fall out. I don't know for sure how to replace the bearings, but from the Nissan parts book, it almost looks like they go in from the top of the shaft. Nissan calls the item in the top of the shaft a "Plug, ball roller", which says to me it comes out. Maybe unscrews some way? Anybody out there know? I'll bet either Bubba or Steve Ehlers do. Anyway, I'll send you a scan of the applicable pages from the Nissan parts manual via separate reply. (Can't send attachments to the List.) Let me know if it helps. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Oakes" To: Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Steering control box > So, before making the adjusts to make the '69 steering control box fit > in my '68 I thought I'd dig into the old one a little deeper. > > Again, it was binding up and when I took it apart it just didn't feel > good, so I thought i'd save time and get a replacement. > > Turns out what was making the trouble was the bearings that hold in > the tab (that slips into the worm gear to turn everything) into the > assembly shaft fell into the worm gear and made the trouble. See > picture at: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/boakes/SteeringAssemblyShaft#5380624385680449122 > > It kind of looks like the the caps at the top and bottom of that shaft > are "punched in" and you can't get in there. True? > > So, if I can get just the assembly shaft I think I'm back in business. > > Thoughts anyone? > > thanks > Bill > > '68 2000 Solex > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 21:21:43 2009 From: Steve Ehlers To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:20:51 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Test Testing 1,2,3 .My mail is not being posted here and the Admin will not reply to as why . Checking now to see if I can only receive this forums posts .Sorry for the unnecessary bandwidth to others . Steve Ehlers ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 22:04:35 2009 From: "E Scanlon" To: "Steve Ehlers" , Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:56:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test Nothing came through.... you better try it again. E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ehlers" Subject: [Roadsters] Test > Testing 1,2,3 .My mail is not being posted here and the Admin will not > reply to as why . > Checking now to see if I can only receive this forums posts .Sorry for > the unnecessary bandwidth to others . > Steve Ehlers ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 23:49:57 2009 From: "E Scanlon" To: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:38:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test And I replied to BOTH. Wouldn't be surprised on the size restriction, might have also been due to an attachment, although those are normally stripped on e-mail lists. FWIW E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bauman" To: "E Scanlon" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test > Steve: > > I replied directly to your email addy, not the list. Your original email > arrived here via autox. > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: E Scanlon > To: Steve Ehlers , > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:56:05 -0700 > > Nothing came through.... you better try it again. > > E > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Ehlers" > Subject: [Roadsters] Test > > >> Testing 1,2,3 .My mail is not being posted here and the Admin will not >> reply to as why . >> Checking now to see if I can only receive this forums posts .Sorry for >> the unnecessary bandwidth to others . >> Steve Ehlers > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as plhbauman@earthlink.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 12 23:50:39 2009 From: "Tom Hendricksen" To: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:48:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Steering control box Years ago when I pulled wrench for Bill Steven's D Sports racer with a Mercury outboard laying flat into a Fiat gearbox I had to deal with bearings similar to this type. In order to put the needle bearings in the caps and keep them there we packed the caps with good old axle grease and pressed the needles into the grease, which held everything together. Being a 2-Stroke engine the fuel was fed from the carbs past the crankshaft and up along the side of the cylinder walls and into the cylinder. As the gasoline passed by the rod and main bearings it would wash the grease out of the bearings and carried it into the cylinders. That made the fuel mixture something that would not burn, so to start the car after the engine was reassembled we tied a rope to the roll bar and towed the car on neighborhood streets at midnight. There were 3 megaphone stacks (read LOUD) pointing towards the sky, and while the grease was burning out the flames from those stacks went about 15-20' into the air. When the engine did start the car was quickly driven around the block and put into the garage, where the door was put down and the lights were turned off while neighborhood lights in some homes were coming on. BTW, NOBODY ever wanted to pit next to us because of the extreemly loud exhaust noise that came from this engine. You could hear the car all the way around Seattle International Raceway or Westwood when it was on the track. Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org On 9/12/2009 9:58:11 AM, Bill Oakes (boakes@gmail.com) wrote: > So, before making the adjusts to make the > '69 steering control box fit > in my '68 I thought > I'd dig into the old one a little deeper. > > Again, it was binding up and when I took it apart it just didn't > feel > good, so I thought > i'd save time and get a replacement. > > Turns out what was making the trouble was the bearings that hold in > the tab (that slips into the worm gear to turn everything) into the > assembly shaft fell into the worm gear and made the trouble. See > picture at: > > http://picasaweb.google.com/boakes/SteeringAssemblyShaft#5380624385680449122 > > It kind of looks like the the caps at the top and bottom of that shaft > are "punched in" and you can't > get in there. True? > > So, if I can get just the assembly shaft I think > I'm back in business. > > Thoughts anyone? > > thanks > Bill > > '68 2000 > Solex > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tom@datsun2000.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 09:09:07 2009 From: "Pete Peters" To: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test Yeah, the list software can act wonky when the post reaches some size. What that size is, I've never been able to determine because it's inconsistent. Yeah, no attachments....period. They'll be stripped out and may screw up your post. Been that way for years and years. Host your pics/whatever and include a link to 'em in your post. Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of E Scanlon Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:39 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test And I replied to BOTH. Wouldn't be surprised on the size restriction, might have also been due to an attachment, although those are normally stripped on e-mail lists. FWIW E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bauman" To: "E Scanlon" Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test > Steve: > > I replied directly to your email addy, not the list. Your original email > arrived here via autox. > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: E Scanlon > To: Steve Ehlers , > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Test > Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:56:05 -0700 > > Nothing came through.... you better try it again. > > E > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Ehlers" > Subject: [Roadsters] Test > > >> Testing 1,2,3 .My mail is not being posted here and the Admin will not >> reply to as why . >> Checking now to see if I can only receive this forums posts .Sorry for >> the unnecessary bandwidth to others . >> Steve Ehlers > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as plhbauman@earthlink.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 11:22:47 2009 From: Gary Boone To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Finally racing again I finally completed my roadster's fuel injection conversion recently and ran my first Solo 2 event in 4 years, on August 29. The engine stumbled quite a lot under partial throttle but it was fast enough to take first place out of 5 cars. My ECU programming wasn't close at all because I didn't have time to do a proper tune before the event. But I've made significant progress with tuning since the event. Tuning EFI with ITBs is a real challenge. Results are here (I'm in C-Street Prepared): http://www.rmsolo.org/msp_eventpts.php?rep=1_20090829SS You can see some photos of my EFI conversion here: http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/271132 Here's a video from the Aug 29 event. The video was taken with a HD camera, so the car looks way out of proportion vertically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBHfAxP86FA It was a fun event in my class because the lead swapped with every run. Gary ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 13:09:24 2009 From: "Ed Mitchell" To: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:53:31 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] I'm a loser baby... Hey guys \ gurlz. How come no one told me??? Are my rear springs mounted wrong? http://rides.webshots.com/album/559322539UXctqG First few slides I found a pic at http://www.mydatsunroadster.com/images/large/leaf_spring_rear_removed.jpg They indeed go inside the scroll? You mean...I COULDA DIED! : / And was wondering about this before and finally decided to actually research this a bit.but it looks like I assembled my rear springs incorrectly I thought her butt was a bit "up in the air" Gunna take this apart..and try again. Ed Mitchell Las Cruces, NM 1967.5 Datsun Roadster 1600 - SPL311-12761 http://www.ziaroc.com/ http://rides.webshots.com/album/559322539UXctqG <--Dead Betty : ) ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 14:10:58 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Water pump I have a 1970 1600 that now the water pump seems to be leaking where the Alternator tension adjusting bracket bolts on is leaking. Are the water pumps rebuildable or does anyone have one for sale? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 15:21:35 2009 From: Mark J Bradakis To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Whining time, Team.Net updates Yes, I know that as the fellow behind the curtain who keeps Team.Net on the air, I do my share of whining. But the whining here is coming from one of the disks on the server, a bearing ready to fail in a few days, a couple of weeks, maybe not until 2010. Who knows? Rather than risk a sudden failure, it would be prudent to consider getting new hardware. And that is where you come in. I didn't have an official fund drive this year, though donations have come in at random times during the year. It seems to be time for those of you who have not recently contributed to step up and assist in keeping Team.Net on the air. If you have a few dollars to spare and desire to support this endeavor, check out the web page http://www.team.net/donate.html I, and thousands of folks around the planet would appreciate it. Gee, I haven't taken an actual count of all subscribers lately, I ought to do a headcount. On a related note, I have been doing a few things, like moving a few more lists from majordomo to mailman. Back when I started doing this about 20 years ago majordomo was the hot ticket. It is a bit outdated now, mailman is much more web friendly, hopefully much easier for you folks to use. Of course, there are those who still try to use majordomo to manage their mailman subscriptions, not much I can do about that! One thing I did was change the judson list, which was intended for discussion of classic Judson superchargers to superchargers@autox.team.net, opening it up for folks to discuss other brands. Feel free to go to the mailman page, http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo to sign up if you so desire. Actually I had hoped more folks would sign up for the-local list, a place for random discussion about all sorts of stuff. Tell a joke, review a movie, report the antics of your favorite public idiot, lament the last loss of your team, whatever. If there is a list you'd like to see, chances are I'd set one up, no problem. But for now, consider this an Official Team.Net fund drive, and assist as you can: http://www.team.net/donate.html Thanks! mjb. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 16:41:56 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:01:58 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] early 67 windshield and dash assembley as my (low) windshield, dash, and little chrome surround are all ready to install, i'm wondering what the recommended assembly order is. do i wait on installing the rear view mirror? thanks. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 17:29:47 2009 From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "oliver" , Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:05:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] early 67 windshield and dash assembley Oliver, Is the complete dash out of the car, or just the dash pad. Assuming it is, indeed, the entire dash with the pad already installed, I'd install the chrome trim ring and the base for the RV mirror, then install the dash. The windshield can go in last. If the dash itself is in the car, install the pad, chrome trim ring, mirror base then the windshield. Make sure you have the four "twisties" for the tonneau installed, also. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "oliver" To: Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: [Roadsters] early 67 windshield and dash assembley > as my (low) windshield, dash, and little chrome surround are all ready to > install, i'm wondering what the recommended assembly order is. > > do i wait on installing the rear view mirror? > > thanks. ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 17:48:13 2009 From: "E Scanlon" To: "oliver" , Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:29:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] early 67 windshield and dash assembley I presume that when you refer to the "little chrome surround" you are refering to the edging all the way around the face of the dash. If so, I'd recommend assembling the dash complete, i.e. faceplate, then padded portion and the chrome edging and installing all that as a unit. That's cause that bit of chrome edging requires those flat sheet metal lock washers to hold it in place. The dash is "fun" enough to install without trying to locate where and how to install those onto the little bit of pin that pokes through. If you feel agile enough, install the instruments afterwards, although I did mine beforehand. It makes it a bit heavier, but the end result is that you're not fighting to locate connectors, butterfly nuts, washers. etc while upside down on your back. DO mount the rearview mirror BASE, but not the actul mirror. Once the dash is in place.... THEN the windshield. But that's just my 2" Enrique ----- Original Message ----- From: "oliver" < Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: [Roadsters] early 67 windshield and dash assembley > as my (low) windshield, dash, and little chrome surround are all ready to > install, i'm wondering what the recommended assembly order is. > > do i wait on installing the rear view mirror? > > thanks. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 18:45:14 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'Ed Mitchell'" , Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:22:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] I'm a loser baby... You didn't ask? ;-) Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Mitchell Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:54 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] I'm a loser baby... Hey guys \ gurlz. How come no one told me??? Are my rear springs mounted wrong? http://rides.webshots.com/album/559322539UXctqG First few slides I found a pic at http://www.mydatsunroadster.com/images/large/leaf_spring_rear_removed.jpg They indeed go inside the scroll? You mean...I COULDA DIED! : / And was wondering about this before and finally decided to actually research this a bit.but it looks like I assembled my rear springs incorrectly I thought her butt was a bit "up in the air" Gunna take this apart..and try again. Ed Mitchell Las Cruces, NM 1967.5 Datsun Roadster 1600 - SPL311-12761 http://www.ziaroc.com/ http://rides.webshots.com/album/559322539UXctqG <--Dead Betty : ) Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 20:13:34 2009 From: Steve Ehlers To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:56:24 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] the NEVER ENDING story and EI distributors Hello Gordon ,Tim , Gary , Linda ,Stan , Garry B ,Dave B. and Fellow Datsun owners , First off , I would like to make the Roadster Community aware of the fact that there are more people building specialty Datsun / Nissan distributors than what this Forum and others have advertised .This was previously pointed out by Stan Chernoff a while back .As Stan pointed out ,Boone mass marketed his Version for the Datsun Roadster thru the Internet ,the Forum lists ,and the Name brand Datsun Roadster Vendors .To his credit , he thought he invented this conversion ,as he approached me about buying his business in Nov 2007. So.... to set the story straight , I saw No need to purchase information that he made readily available on the Internet for free. I didn't need to pay for information I already knew ,on how to Rebuild / Remanufacture Datsun Nissan Distributors ,as I have been doing this work and this particular conversion for over 20 years . I started rebuilding Datsun Distributors and modifying them as far back as the mid 70's and as many others have done since . Nobody has used the Internet like Boone did ,to make it seem to the general viewing public, that he invented this conversion. Based on his statement to me , he had a self perceived patent and therefore monopoly , because of his claimed 270 + sales of the unit . I own the now Oldest ( 30 + years ) Datsun / Nissan Z car Specialty shop in the State of Texas . I have been very busy keeping up with all the Service ,Repair, Restoration and Race Preparation on my Z car Customer base ,not to mention all the other Datsun /Nissan /Infinti line ups as well . I do Repair / Restore our beloved Roadsters and have for over 35 years .As of late, due to the very limited number of cars locally and the parts availability ,we have been selective of what cars I will work with . I have done complete frame up Restorations and Race car prepped chassis' and engines over the years .I bought my first Roadster in 1974 and still own it today .I do sell some NOS ,Remanufactured and Used parts as well . So if you want another option to buy a Quality Electronic Ignition Distributor ,backed by a 30 year old company that was formed to provide a better service to it's customers ,drop us a line . I custom build my units as per customer engine needs ,stock and custom advance curves , and we do "Plug and Play" MSD units also . As Gordon clarified his comments , I'm not Discounting the Boone / Brisco adventure or Stan's rebuilt unit as not being Good units . I'm just wanting to make it clear that I offer another alternative to the Roadster Forum based community of parts offerings . Best Regards , Steve Ehlers Rising Sun Performance Inc. 7600 Benbrook Parkway Suite #2 Benbrook ,Texas 76126 817-731-6092 www.risingsunperformance.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 13 22:45:11 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: edmitche@gmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:24:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] I'm a loser baby... Dude, like I would know...LOL Linda -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Mitchell Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:54 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] I'm a loser baby... Hey guys \ gurlz. How come no one told me??? Are my rear springs mounted wrong? http://rides.webshots.com/album/559322539UXctqG First few slides I found a pic at http://www.mydatsunroadster.com/images/large/leaf_spring_rear_removed.jpg They indeed go inside the scroll? You mean...I COULDA DIED! : / And was wondering about this before and finally decided to actually research this a bit.but it looks like I assembled my rear springs incorrectly I thought her butt was a bit "up in the air" Gunna take this apart..and try again. Ed Mitchell Las Cruces, NM 1967.5 Datsun Roadster 1600 - SPL311-12761 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 01:14:16 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: Gary Boone , Datsun Roadster List Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:53:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Finally racing again Hey Gary! Good to see you're getting the car on the track again finally. The pictures and video look great. Nice job! Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Boone" >I finally completed my roadster's fuel injection conversion recently and >ran my first Solo 2 event in 4 years, on August 29. The > engine stumbled quite a lot under partial throttle but it was fast > enough to take first place out of 5 cars. My ECU programming wasn't > close at all because I didn't have time to do a proper tune before the > event. But I've made significant progress with tuning since the > event. Tuning EFI with ITBs is a real challenge. Results are here (I'm > in C-Street Prepared): > http://www.rmsolo.org/msp_eventpts.php?rep=1_20090829SS > You can see some photos of my EFI conversion here: > http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/271132 > Here's a video from the Aug 29 event. The video was taken with a HD > camera, so the car looks way out of proportion vertically: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBHfAxP86FA > It was a fun event in my class because the lead swapped with every run. > Gary ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 10:46:16 2009 From: "Bay, Keith" To: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:26:55 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] Rescue Me? Hi All, I am actually an enthusiast for Triumph GT6s but have a soft spot for 1960-1970s sport cars in general. The Datsun 2000 (Fairlady?) has always been one of my other favorites. Anyway I saw a 1966 beside the road in a place I would not expect it to be, in Northern Michigan. (Is there any place one WOULD expect one to be). I am wondering if there is someone out there who would think of this a real 'barn find' (although it probably hasn't been in a barn for a while, it looks rough)? I have pictures but haven't been able to get them to be part of this message. They are available on request (see my direct email below) unless someone can host the pictures so all can see them. Contact details for the owner (?) are: Call 231-218-3815 $400.00 Sign inside the car 'hinted' that the engine was "blown". I would ask only that whoever rescues this car let me know what happens to it. Then just this past weekend I saw an ad in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal for a Datsun 1600, no engine, for sale for less than four figures. I can pull the particulars if anyone is interested in pursuing it. Keith A. Bay 1973 Triumph GT6 MkIII North American Spitfire (& GT6) Squadron P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may constitute as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify us immediately by telephone and (i) destroy this message if a facsimile or (ii) delete this message immediately if this is an electronic communication. Thank you. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 11:16:30 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 9:49:52 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] test I have sent several things this am...is this thing on? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 13:02:26 2009 From: Pete Peters To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] test Pass. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:49:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Roadsters] test I have sent several things this am...is this thing on? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as ppeters914@comcast.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 14 14:29:45 2009 From: "hallosb@juno.com" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:09:23 GMT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Third Posting Frank writes: The machinist who will be working on the motor requires that I first get the crank turning (indicating the pistons are not "seized" in the cylinders). Frank, How much work are you comfortable doing yourself? Have you ever disassembled a motor? You have to pull the motor to take it to a machine shop which, requires a lot of wrenching and mechanical skills. Once you've gone that far, placing the engine on an engine stand and breaking it down isn't much more work. Once it's on an engine stand you can pull the oil pan, pull the cylinder head, check the crankshaft, etc. However, you're getting very involved at that point. If that sounds like too much to take on, you should see if you can get a local mechanic to tear it down for you. Too bad, you don't live closer. I'd help you do it. Thanks, Dan McHatton '66 1600 ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/BLSrjnsEGrDx65aB7cg2xvkOcUHMeu8ho YAZta0qbieQooOcqrino1fGeo4/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 07:32:46 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:06:21 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] soft top with no quarter windows? Saw this ad, no connection with seller, don't think I have ever seen this car. This top has no < windows, and has a squared out back window. From another application? http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1374893532.html Fergus O ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 09:31:33 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 8:05:29 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! try this again,,,,,,,,first attempt didn't send..... Dan Kroninger and myself (and anyone else who cares to help) are slowly getting the Dairyland Datsuns Club going again, but this time with a twist: Instead of just Dairyland Roadsters, we are going with Dairyland "Datsuns" and hoping to get Z cars, Dimes, trucks, etc in the mix. So, if you know of anyone in the dairyland, midwest, etc who has a Datsun/Nissan, please, please, pass my or Dan's email (d_kroninger@hotmail.com) along to them--or just forward this email to them asking them to drop one of us a note. We will have no dues and no officers and anyone can help "run" the club. All we want to do is drive the twisties and have fun. So, if you are in the dairyland or Midwest areas and want to have a get together or plan overnighters like the four or so we have already had in the past couple years, please, set it up and tell us about it. All who can, will come. The more the merrier. We are going to have a logo soon and hope to make shirts that any one can buy. I do not plan on making any profit what so ever on shirt sales. In face, I am going to pay for the silk screen(s) myself and then make it available to anyone who would like to use it. We hope to hear from you. Tim Putland Dairyland Datsuns Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 10:00:52 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! Does your club have a website or a photo site for pics? That is always fun to see. Also what I like to see when a write up on a fun run occurs, is a more detailed description of the route...because I am out of the area and like to see it on the map. You never know when you might be visiting some place and it's good to know the scenic routes! Good luck with club. Any cheese runs planned? LOL, teasing. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Tim To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:05 am Subject: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! try this again,,,,,,,,first attempt didn't send..... Dan Kroninger and myself (and anyone else who cares to help) are slowly getting the Dairyland Datsuns Club going again, but this time with a twist: Instead of just Dairyland Roadsters, we are going with Dairyland "Datsuns" and hoping to get Z cars, Dimes, trucks, etc in the mix. So, if you know of anyone in the dairyland, midwest, etc who has a Datsun/Nissan, please, please, pass my or Dan's email (d_kroninger@hotmail.com) along to them--or just forward this email to them asking them to drop one of us a note. We will have no dues and no officers and anyone can help "run" the club. All we want to do is drive the twisties and have fun. So, if you are in the dairyland or Midwest areas and want to have a get together or plan overnighters like the four or so we have already had in the past couple years, please, set it up and tell us about it. All who can, will come. The more the merrier. We are going to have a logo soon and hope to make shirts that any one can buy. I do not plan on making any profit what so ever on shirt sales. In face, I am going to pay for the silk screen(s) myself and then make it available to anyone who would like to use it. We hope to hear from you. Tim Putland Dairyland Datsuns Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 10:18:07 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsun Club weekend at Elkhart Lake We could not have asked for better weather this past weekend for the vintage races at Elkhart Lake-- low eighties with a light breeze. Dan, Ken, Steve and myself all met at the track Saturday for some track touring and classic race care drooling--once again I saw cars I had never before seen in person; very little American muscle but loads of fantastic European, British and Japanese classics. Hopefully the pictures taken of all of us touring will be available soon. Link(s) to follow from Dan and what the professional photographers that were on the track. Saturday evening we walked through a show car concourse at the Osthoff resort where we stayed Saturday night. There were even more beautiful cars there. How about that Allard or that 53 (?) Jaguar!! Sunday we made new Roadster friends when we drove to Joy and Mike Johnson's farm where we were treated to coffee and pastries and four PERFECT 2000 Roadsters: one from every year of production! Joy and Mike, you have a truly amazing fleet. I think I can speak for Dan and Ken when I say we are very envious!! Thanks again for letting each of us drive one of those beauties!!! After coffee, car talk, a tour of Mike's personal lift garage and more drooling, we took off for close to three hours of touring and twisties in the Kettle Moraine area. What fun!! Lunch at the Benson's Hideaway on the Long Lake in the Kettle Moraine Forest was a blast--great call Charlie! The day ended too quickly with Roadsters going their own way one by one along the way as each couple peeled off from the group to head home. Hopefully we can all get together again before the snow flies...unless of course there are others of you crazy enough like me to do a polar bear run!!! Any one interested? Thanks again to everyone who was there, Connie and I had a great weekend!! Tim Dairyland Datsuns Belleville, WI. '70 SPL AND SRL Still clueless but always learning ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 11:49:29 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" , Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:22:50 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] soft top with no quarter windows? He thinks a 1600 is a fast car?? That looks like one honking big battery...... Oh, the top? don't know, but I don't like it.......... Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" Subject: [Roadsters] soft top with no quarter windows? > Saw this ad, no connection with seller, don't think I have ever seen this > car. > > This top has no < windows, and has a squared out back window. From > another > application? > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1374893532.html > > Fergus O ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 12:04:03 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: "Daryl Smith" , Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:33:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] soft top with no quarter windows? I am with ya there, might as well get a hardtop! I bought a Optima, just cause I was tired of wearing out batt's with my wiring woes, but I really like the Odyssey mini batteries, they are so small, can be fit into small creative places so easily. -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Smith [mailto:drlsmith@dccnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:23 AM To: O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS); datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] soft top with no quarter windows? He thinks a 1600 is a fast car?? That looks like one honking big battery...... Oh, the top? don't know, but I don't like it.......... Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" Subject: [Roadsters] soft top with no quarter windows? > Saw this ad, no connection with seller, don't think I have ever seen this > car. > > This top has no < windows, and has a squared out back window. From > another > application? > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1374893532.html > > Fergus O ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 12:05:46 2009 From: arthur lin To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, " Fergus P \(AS\)O'Farrell" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size does anyone know the seat belt bolt size and license plate bolt size for '66? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 13:02:28 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'arthur lin'" , Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:40:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size I don't know the seat belt bolt size, but the license plate bolt holes on my 67.5 are #12-24. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of arthur lin Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:46 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size does anyone know the seat belt bolt size and license plate bolt size for '66? Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 13:45:48 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Lifter noise Are the lifters on the 1600 Mechanical or Hydraulic? The engine makes a fairly loud tick-tick-tick. Not a main or rod bearing thud type sound. has great oil pressure but seems to run a little hot. I live in Arizona so.... ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 14:17:57 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: Gordon Glasgow , 'arthur lin' Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:56:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size I don't know the licence plate, but the seat belt bolts appear to be a 7/16" fine thread..... ( my car is on jackstands & I crawled under to measure the thread diameter....). Providing that they are indeed SAE, and not metric like the pin bolts for the leaf springs! Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'arthur lin'" ; ; "'Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell'" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size >I don't know the seat belt bolt size, but the license plate bolt holes on >my > 67.5 are #12-24. > > Gordon Glasgow > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of arthur lin > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:46 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size > > does anyone know the seat belt bolt size and license plate bolt size for > '66? > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as drlsmith@dccnet.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 14:34:00 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:12:33 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] electrical saga update, Since all have helped out so much with my wiring woes, thought I'd give ya the latest update. (you know the background: I pulled a "triumph" and let all the smoke out of my blinker/brake lite circuit, after having HOT fuses for quite some time) The process was to install a new ATC fuse jumper, as that is what melted before, and run the car and put a gauge across the slots, but my El-Cheapo multimeter had a 10A amp test range, so any overage (which I knew I would have) would have fried it. So, I unplugged all the side markers, and since I have both the stock ammeter and a voltmeter functioning, I monitored them while connecting each of the side markers, and found the rears were fine and the fronts are still the culprit(s). No more hot fuses. No front side markers, but they are really only ornamental anyway, right? Rear running lites don't seem too bright (rear brake lites are SUPER bright), but I was testing in the daytime, so the true test is when it is dark out. I'll work my way to the fronts, but next project is with the front end up in the air (comp springs, new shocks, new ball joints, new b-j boots all around), so I think that will be one of the "take a break, keep the hands clean" side jobs while she is up on blocks. Fergus O (the Elmer Fudd of Electrons) ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 14:48:03 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: Datsun Roadster List , David Boerst Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:13:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Lifter noise Solid and flat. Use an oil with adequate amounts of phosphorous and zinc, possibly a higher viscosity (15-40, 15-50, ........), and a valve adjustment may help. Seems more than a few R engined roadster owners are having a tough time eliminating the tick, tick noise and are just adjusting to the least noise level........ myself included...... Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Boerst" > Are the lifters on the 1600 Mechanical or Hydraulic? The engine makes a > fairly loud tick-tick-tick. Not a main or rod bearing thud type sound. has > great oil pressure but seems to run a little hot. I live in Arizona so.... ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 15:35:05 2009 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: David Boerst Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:05:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Lifter noise > Are the lifters on the 1600 Mechanical or Hydraulic? > The engine makes a fairly loud tick-tick-tick. Mechanical. Sounds like they're a little loose. You'll want to adjust them hot to get an accurate setting; I'm certain the how-to is over on the wiki. Other things could be causing the noise (broken guide, dropped seat) but it probably just needs adjusting. If they're very far off, after you adjust them you may want to rebalance the carbs. -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA p.s. Be aware that today's oil is bad for our older engines. Recently the amount of zinc additive has been drastically reduced. There's lots of chatter on this subject - google "zddp". Today's oils are reported to eat yesterday's camshafts.... Lots of people seem to have turned to Rotella or Delo diesel oil... ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 15:47:13 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: drlsmith@dccnet.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:25:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Lifter noise What valve adjustment method do you use? My car sounds better with the current technique for adjustment so I think it can make a difference. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Smith To: Datsun Roadster List ; David Boerst Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Lifter noise Solid and flat. Use an oil with adequate amounts of phosphorous and zinc, possibly a higher viscosity (15-40, 15-50, ........), and a valve adjustment may help.? Seems more than a few R engined roadster owners are having a tough time eliminating the tick, tick noise and are just adjusting to the least noise level........? myself included......? ? Daryl? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Boerst" ? ? > Are the lifters on the 1600 Mechanical or Hydraulic? The engine makes a > fairly loud tick-tick-tick. Not a main or rod bearing thud type sound. has > great oil pressure but seems to run a little hot. I live in Arizona so....? ________________________________________? Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html? ? You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net? ? Datsun-roadsters mailing list? ? http://www.team.net/archive? ? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 16:32:22 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Thanks for all the help Thanks to everyone here. This is one heck of a great place! David Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 16:48:08 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 Shop manual wanted Do anyone have a shop manual they would sell? Does anyone know of a downloadable .pdf file? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 17:30:39 2009 From: oliver To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size they are sae --- On Tue, 9/15/09, Daryl Smith wrote: From: Daryl Smith Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size To: "Gordon Glasgow" , "'arthur lin'" , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "'Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell'" Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 2:56 PM I don't know the licence plate, but the seat belt bolts appear to be a 7/16" fine thread..... ( my car is on jackstands & I crawled under to measure the thread diameter....). Providing that they are indeed SAE, and not metric like the pin bolts for the leaf springs! Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'arthur lin'" ; ; "'Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell'" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size >I don't know the seat belt bolt size, but the license plate bolt holes on >my > 67.5 are #12-24. > > Gordon Glasgow > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of arthur lin > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:46 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 66 seat belt, license plate bolt size > > does anyone know the seat belt bolt size and license plate bolt size for > '66? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 18:17:04 2009 From: Dan Zubkoff To: David Boerst , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 1600 Shop manual wanted http://www.311s.org/PDFs/SPL311ServiceManualLRG.pdf Dan Zubkoff Houston, TX ________________________________ From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:24:11 PM Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 Shop manual wanted Do anyone have a shop manual they would sell? Does anyone know of a downloadable .pdf file? You are subscribed as zubkoff@sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 19:04:05 2009 From: "Bonos" To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:35:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun-roadsters Digest, Vol 3, Issue 381 Re: I have one that I will sell. I think I paid $10 at Powell's for it. Where are you located? Message: 9 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: David Boerst Subject: [Roadsters] 1600 Shop manual wanted To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <884255.11663.qm@web58601.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Do anyone have a shop manual they would sell? Does anyone know of a downloadable .pdf file? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4427 (20090915) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 21:03:09 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, dboerst@yahoo.com, ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:44:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Lifter noise I've used the methods from the 311s.org techwiki, Scott Sheeler's book, and just rotating the crank and adjusting the next valve that's closed......... They all work, it's just a matter of how many times you do it to get proficient at it. It can be a bit frustrating sometimes holding the correct clearance as you tighten the nut.............. Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: ljordan704@netscape.net What valve adjustment method do you use? My car sounds better with the current technique for adjustment so I think it can make a difference. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Smith Solid and flat. Use an oil with adequate amounts of phosphorous and zinc, possibly a higher viscosity (15-40, 15-50, ........), and a valve adjustment may help. Seems more than a few R engined roadster owners are having a tough time eliminating the tick, tick noise and are just adjusting to the least noise level........ myself included...... Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Boerst" > Are the lifters on the 1600 Mechanical or Hydraulic? The engine makes a > fairly loud tick-tick-tick. Not a main or rod bearing thud type sound. has > great oil pressure but seems to run a little hot. I live in Arizona so.... ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 22:17:15 2009 From: Steve Jacobson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Ha! You thought it was a joke! http://www.cheesewheel450.com/ A friend of mine's kid set this up a number of years ago. We could always crash it! They would appreciate the roadsters. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society www.elrss.com --- On Tue, 9/15/09, datsun-roadsters-request@autox.team.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:20 -0400 From: ljordan704@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <8CC04321B1D2047-2EBC-1CBE4@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ... Good luck with club. Any cheese runs planned? LOL, teasing. Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 22:17:36 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:55:44 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Fiberglass Composite Springs Composite Springs arrived Sept. 10th. According to my digital bathroom scale (which measured a new stock spring at 22 lbs) these springs weigh in at 7.1 lbs each! Have some work to do tho, the supplied bushings are too wide and made for a 1/2" bolt whereas ours are 12mm........ Still working on the bushing issue. The 'eye' piece at the ends FAF sent to Scott and myself are a 2" od piece, which has some clearance issues (some minor grinding for room). When I asked Mark at FAF about it, he told me they had a smaller 'eye' at 1.5" with a 1" hole for the bushing, which I think we might be able to use stock bushings on......maybe...... He is sending the 1.5" eyes to me so I can check it out and possibly change them. I'm waiting for those to arrive. If they fit the stock bushings, fitting the springs should be a simple bolt in operation. BUT, when I measured the opening on the rear of a stock spring it was almost exactly 25mm, 1" = 25.4mm, so I'm not sure if that will be a close enough tolerance. There is the possibility that a competition urethane setup might work. I think the front press in bushing might be too big tho...... Anyone have a measurement on that front bushing on the leaf spring? The alternative is to have him turn some bushings in Delrin @ $45 extra and make a 12mm sleeve to fit the bushings ourselves/possibly have the holes made to fit our stock sleeves......or some other solution with common parts if we can find them. (FAF doesn't have any sleeves to fit a 12mm bolt) I may make the springs work as I have them, because I'm not sure about removing the 'eye' and replacing it myself, possibly having to drill new mounting holes which I think would weaken the spring at the ends.........I was adamant about sending them back when discussing it this past weekend, but am re-considering..... As it is now, I'm looking for some 1.5" od bushings to fit a 2 3/8" wide eye, between a mount that is 2 1/2" wide, with a steel sleeve to fit a 12mm pin.......Any Leads? As soon as I have the required parts, I will install the springs and measure the ride height etc. and post it. Bug me in about a week if I haven't posted anything. Daryl ps: Not having any luck with my ignition system. No spark. Aarggghhhh! Wanted to get it to the meet on Sunday, but doesn't look like it'll happen......... pps: At this point I have to apologize to Dieter Cramer, who was giving me advice on where to get the parts to fit my springs as they are, but I was determined that they were going back to get the 1.5" eye, and I wasn't very nice about it. My apologies Dieter. I knew when I left that I didn't handle it well. Hopefully I'll be somewhat more reasonable and calm next time something like this comes up. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 15 22:46:50 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: jake7140@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:26:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Cool. Any money goes to charity, so crash away..................They look like good sports! Wisconsin is known for cheese, right, so I thought cruising to different cheese factories would be fun. Kind of like the Wine Country (Napa) valley tours of the wineries, except for that you need a designated driver. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Ha! You thought it was a joke! http://www.cheesewheel450.com/ A friend of mine's kid set this up a number of years ago. We could always crash it! They would appreciate the roadsters. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society www.elrss.com --- On Tue, 9/15/09, datsun-roadsters-request@autox.team.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:20 -0400 From: ljordan704@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <8CC04321B1D2047-2EBC-1CBE4@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ... Good luck with club. Any cheese runs planned? LOL, teasing. Linda You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 05:33:04 2009 From: Tim To: ljordan704@netscape.net, jake7140@yahoo.com, Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 4:09:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) We cruise to various Brew Pubs--The Grumpy Troll in Mt Horeb is always in the loop. Cheese is for the wine drinking fondue crowd. Tim ---- ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: ============= Cool. Any money goes to charity, so crash away..................They look like good sports! Wisconsin is known for cheese, right, so I thought cruising to different cheese factories would be fun. Kind of like the Wine Country (Napa) valley tours of the wineries, except for that you need a designated driver. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Ha! You thought it was a joke! http://www.cheesewheel450.com/ A friend of mine's kid set this up a number of years ago. We could always crash it! They would appreciate the roadsters. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society www.elrss.com --- On Tue, 9/15/09, datsun-roadsters-request@autox.team.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:20 -0400 From: ljordan704@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <8CC04321B1D2047-2EBC-1CBE4@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ... Good luck with club. Any cheese runs planned? LOL, teasing. Linda You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 10:07:32 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: tputland@charter.net, jake7140@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:25:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) LOL -----Original Message----- From: Tim To: ljordan704@netscape.net; jake7140@yahoo.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 4:09 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) We cruise to various Brew Pubs--The Grumpy Troll in Mt Horeb is always in the loop. Cheese is for the wine drinking fondue crowd. Tim ---- ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: ============= Cool. Any money goes to charity, so crash away..................They look like good sports! Wisconsin is known for cheese, right, so I thought cruising to different cheese factories would be fun. Kind of like the Wine Country (Napa) valley tours of the wineries, except for that you need a designated driver. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Ha! You thought it was a joke! http://www.cheesewheel450.com/ A friend of mine's kid set this up a number of years ago. We could always crash it! They would appreciate the roadsters. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society www.elrss.com --- On Tue, 9/15/09, datsun-roadsters-request@autox.team.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:20 -0400 From: ljordan704@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <8CC04321B1D2047-2EBC-1CBE4@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ... Good luck with club. Any cheese runs planned? LOL, teasing. Linda You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 10:08:17 2009 From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Hey, now....don't be knocking the fondue. We did that at a campout once. Quite a big hit. Pete "prefers brew pubs/taverns" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: ljordan704@netscape.net, jake7140@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:09:54 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) We cruise to various Brew Pubs--The Grumpy Troll in Mt Horeb is always in the loop. Cheese is for the wine drinking fondue crowd. Tim ---- ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: ============= Cool. Any money goes to charity, so crash away..................They look like good sports! Wisconsin is known for cheese, right, so I thought cruising to different cheese factories would be fun. Kind of like the Wine Country (Napa) valley tours of the wineries, except for that you need a designated driver. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Ha! You thought it was a joke! http://www.cheesewheel450.com/ A friend of mine's kid set this up a number of years ago. We could always crash it! They would appreciate the roadsters. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society www.elrss.com --- On Tue, 9/15/09, datsun-roadsters-request@autox.team.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:20 -0400 From: ljordan704@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <8CC04321B1D2047-2EBC-1CBE4@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ... Good luck with club. Any cheese runs planned? LOL, teasing. Linda You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as ppeters914@comcast.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 10:52:27 2009 From: "Tom Hendricksen" To: "Datsun-Roadsters@Autox. Team. Net" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:22:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Cheese is often associated with wine.... But, from what the real wine connoisseurs tell me, cheese is really used to dampen the palet in order to make poor tasting wines taste better. If you are trying to awaken the flavor of your wine, eat green apples as you enjoy your wine. Driving Towncars occasionally has it's perks, including meeting writers for magazines, including computers, wine, and automotive writers covering races here in Portland. Roadster content: Now that I have the insurance companies behind me and not taking up much of my free time after the Lexus was hit and totalled I am beginning to work on the Bimmer that replaced it... at least temporarilly. I am a little more than surprised and disappointed at the poor engineering of the front-end components in the Bimmer. That leaves me time to start stripping the recently aquired parts car with the racing goodies on the frame and begin to move them over to Mr. Hyde. I was real happy to find a comp sway bar under a pile of junk on the rear shelf. If you can use a 70 RF fender let me know. The fender on this car was NOS when it was installed and is still in factory primer. There are a couple of pieces in the center front that were put on NOS at the same time. There is too much rust on the main body for me to keep it around, but the nearly NOS parts do need to go to someone who can use them. Tom 69 2000 - Mr. Hyde Portland http://www.datsun2000.com http://www.nowroc.org On 9/16/2009 4:09:54 AM, Tim (tputland@charter.net) wrote: > We cruise to various Brew Pubs--The Grumpy Troll in Mt Horeb is always in > the loop. > > Cheese is for the wine drinking fondue crowd. > > Tim > > > ---- ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: > > ============= > Cool. Any money goes to charity, so crash away..................They look > like good sports! > Wisconsin is known for cheese, right, so I thought cruising to different > cheese factories would be fun. > Kind of like the Wine Country (Napa) valley tours of the wineries, except > for that you need a designated driver. > > Linda > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Jacobson > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:54 pm > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, > it's what Linda called it) > > > > > > > > > > > Ha! You thought it was a joke! > http://www.cheesewheel450.com/ > A friend of mine's > kid set this up a number of years ago. We could always > crash it! They would appreciate the roadsters. > > Steve > > > Steve's Racing web site > > www.NoNameRacing.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 12:21:05 2009 From: Hoon Kim To: Roadster mailist Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:44:32 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] slightly OT: original paint colors for Japanese Hello wisdom of the internets, a friend of mine is trying to track down the original paint colors for the 1969 Japanese only Fairlady Z s30. I'm not sure besides the left and right hand drive if the colors were different from the American 240z? Thanks! Hoon ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 16:48:17 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Gasoline and running hot This 1600 should be painted yellow (its white) Its one thing after another. I drive the car a couple of miles then it dies. I have re routed the gas line from gas tank line that in the engine compartment to the carbs trying to prevent vapor lock. Carbs and gas line are cool. I installed a mechanical pump and a electric pump and blocked the return to the gas tank. Got me home. It seems to run hot but doesn't over heat. No "milkshake" oil. New plugs, condenser, points, rotor. Its missing the emissions pump but blocked off. It does have a lifter ticking sound, not a rod or main bearing knock. I replaced the gas cap with a original locking. Anyone got a idea to what is going on? Kind of funny as my gal bought it then saw a 1966 "Orange Burst" (google it) and I bought this fine "turd" She would have been very upset with this car. I got hers running great, figures. Any ideas? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 17:33:43 2009 From: "Richard Brown" To: "David Boerst" , Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:06:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Gasoline and running hot It seems I've heard that there are two different gas caps. One is vented one is not. Maybe you have the non vented and it is causing a vacuum in the tank. Easy to test by pulling the gas cap and seeing if the problem continues. Also the small screens in the banjo bolts going to the fuel bowls could be clogged. That might cause fuel starvation at speed but let enough through at idle to fill the bowls. Electrically, maybe the coil is overheating. Do you have the ballast resistor in place? Good Luck, Richard Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Boerst" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Gasoline and running hot > This 1600 should be painted yellow (its white) Its one thing after > another. I drive the car a couple of miles then it dies. I have re routed > the gas line from gas tank line that in the engine compartment to the > carbs trying to prevent vapor lock. Carbs and gas line are cool. I > installed a mechanical pump and a electric pump and blocked the return to > the gas tank. Got me home. It seems to run hot but doesn't over heat. No > "milkshake" oil. New plugs, condenser, points, rotor. Its missing the > emissions pump but blocked off. It does have a lifter ticking sound, not a > rod or main bearing knock. I replaced the gas cap with a original locking. > Anyone got a idea to what is going on? Kind of funny as my gal bought it > then saw a 1966 "Orange Burst" (google it) and I bought this fine "turd" > She would have been very upset with this car. I got hers running great, > figures. Any ideas? > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as reblues@gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 17:34:04 2009 From: "dave" To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:08:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Here in New Jersey, we cruise to all of the local refineries and sample different gasolines. Dave Brisco -----Original Message----- From: Tim We cruise to various Brew Pubs--The Grumpy Troll in Mt Horeb is always in the loop. Cheese is for the wine drinking fondue crowd. Tim ---- ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: ============= Cool. Any money goes to charity, so crash away..................They look like good sports! Wisconsin is known for cheese, right, so I thought cruising to different cheese factories would be fun. Kind of like the Wine Country (Napa) valley tours of the wineries, except for that you need a designated driver. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 8:54 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Cheese runs (hey, it's what Linda called it) Ha! You thought it was a joke! http://www.cheesewheel450.com/ A friend of mine's kid set this up a number of years ago. We could always crash it! They would appreciate the roadsters. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society www.elrss.com --- On Tue, 9/15/09, datsun-roadsters-request@autox.team.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:20 -0400 From: ljordan704@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Dairyland Datsuns Club--alive again! To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <8CC04321B1D2047-2EBC-1CBE4@webmail-d037.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ... Good luck with club. Any cheese runs planned? LOL, teasing. Linda You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 17:49:31 2009 From: davesmbox@aol.com To: dboerst@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:27:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Gasoline and running hot Change the filter screens at the carb fuel inlets. I had the same problem on my 1600. Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 6:24 pm Subject: [Roadsters] Gasoline and running hot This 1600 should be painted yellow (its white) Its one thing after another. I drive the car a couple of miles then it dies. I have re routed the gas line from gas tank line that in the engine compartment to the carbs trying to prevent vapor lock. Carbs and gas line are cool. I installed a mechanical pump and a electric pump and blocked the return to the gas tank. Got me home. It seems to run hot but doesn't over heat. No "milkshake" oil. New plugs, condenser, points, rotor. Its missing the emissions pump but blocked off. It does have a lifter ticking sound, not a rod or main bearing knock. I replaced the gas cap with a original locking. Anyone got a idea to what is going on? Kind of funny as my gal bought it then saw a 1966 "Orange Burst" (google it) and I bought this fine "turd" She would have been very upset with this car. I got hers running great, figures. Any ideas? You are subscribed as davesmbox@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 19:05:04 2009 From: Pat Horne To: David Boerst Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:43:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Gasoline and running hot I much rather troubleshoot a problem rather than shot gun it. When I had problems like this while out of town I stopped at a local parts house and purchased a tee that fit the fuel line, some fuel line and a fuel pump/vacuum gauge. I first attached the gauge to a vacuum line and put the gauge on the outside of the windshield. Drove ff down the highway and when the engine started bogging down, compared the reading to what it was when the engine was running good. That did not show any difference, so I moved the gauge to the fuel line between the fuel pump and carbs. The fuel pressure dropped just before the engine bogged down. I next moved the gauge to the inlet to the fuel pump and headed off again. This time the gauge started to pull a vacuum before the the engine bogged down, telling me the problem was in the tank, or the line from the tank to the fuel pump. Turned out that a P.O. had added a fuel filter by the fuel tank and it was plugged. Replaced the filter and the problem went away. Is your car a 66? The 70 and I think some of the 69 cars had emission control systems installed int he trunk. They needed a sealed gas cap, while the earlier ones are vented. If your car is really a 66 it should have a vented cap. Hope that helps. Peace, Pat Thusly spake David Boerst, On 9/16/2009 5:24 PM: > This 1600 should be painted yellow (its white) Its one thing after another. I drive the car a couple of miles then it dies. I have re routed the gas line from gas tank line that in the engine compartment to the carbs trying to prevent vapor lock. Carbs and gas line are cool. I installed a mechanical pump and a electric pump and blocked the return to the gas tank. Got me home. It seems to run hot but doesn't over heat. No "milkshake" oil. New plugs, condenser, points, rotor. Its missing the emissions pump but blocked off. It does have a lifter ticking sound, not a rod or main bearing knock. I replaced the gas cap with a original locking. Anyone got a idea to what is going on? Kind of funny as my gal bought it then saw a 1966 "Orange Burst" (google it) and I bought this fine "turd" She would have been very upset with this car. I got hers running great, figures. Any ideas? > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 20:49:15 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Gasoline and running hot First thank you ALL for your great responses! I didn't shoot the car as I am actually quite fond of it. Get tons of complements even sitting on the side of the road with the hood up. The car has never stranded me as I always got it running to get it home. I have been looking for my vacuum gauge for the past couple of days. That little wonder tool can tell so much about a engines condition. We had a house fire and I can not find anything (almost) I did clean the carb inlet screens. The guy I bought the car from said he had rebuilt the carbs so I assumed (ever see the Odd Couple when Felix explains ass-ume, makes a ass out of you and me) that the filters were at least cleaned. That wasn't the problem. I believe it is the gas line from the tank to the engine compartment and possibly the gasket did decompose as mentioned. The car died again and I blew out the line and now have incredible pressure. The fuel filter is full. Drove the best since I have owned it. The car is a 1970 SPL311. Whats the best way to clean the tank. It supposedly was but???? Thanks again for every ones help! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 20:49:53 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission I have a few 1600s and one of them I was contemplating shoehorning a Turbo 300ZX engine and a 5 speed. Anyone ever try that? I have had a few Austin Healey 100-4s, TR3s and TR4s with smallblock chevys. Even built a MGB with a 231 buick. Now time for a Nissan screamer. My main 1600 that I have been posting about has a high rise cam (I was told that when I bought the car) and stainless headers. I have a few Datsun Zs and was wondering will any Z car 5 speeds bolt up to a 1600. I am quite ignorant when it comes to Nissan/Datsun cars. Used to be into British cars with American power. Want to experiment with Nissan/Datsun engine swaps. I also have a couple mid 80s Datsun pickups with the 4 banger with 8 plugs and 5 speeds. Are they worth while? Ideas? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 22:02:27 2009 From: steven boortz To: David Boerst , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission 2 popular (and easier-to-make-fit-than-a-turbo-V6) engines to swap are the KA24 and SR20DE(T). they're both 4 cylinder engines. either engine represents a huge jump over stock, and the SR20 can easily be built to 300+ HP. it's lighter than a V6, and easier to squeeze into the space. there is someone who put a chevy 4.3L 90 degree V6 in a roadster. i think he's on the list, but i don't remember his name. i've seen 13B's and an L28 inline 6 in one. the V6 is a great idea though. a dual exhaust could easily work by making holes in the X member on the other side. BTW, British Leyland built an MGB GT with a 231 Buick in it. in the end i guess what you could put into a roadster is limited only by your imagination and the balance in your checking account. i hope you do it. i'd love to see it when it's done. s 675MIZU ________________________________ From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:31:17 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission I have a few 1600s and one of them I was contemplating shoehorning a Turbo 300ZX engine and a 5 speed. Anyone ever try that? I have had a few Austin Healey 100-4s, TR3s and TR4s with smallblock chevys. Even built a MGB with a 231 buick. Now time for a Nissan screamer. My main 1600 that I have been posting about has a high rise cam (I was told that when I bought the car) and stainless headers. I have a few Datsun Zs and was wondering will any Z car 5 speeds bolt up to a 1600. I am quite ignorant when it comes to Nissan/Datsun cars. Used to be into British cars with American power. Want to experiment with Nissan/Datsun engine swaps. I also have a couple mid 80s Datsun pickups with the 4 banger with 8 plugs and 5 speeds. Are they worth while? Ideas? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 22:46:58 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] 5 speed transmissions I have been doing some research on installing a 5 speed manual in place of the original 4 speed manual. I have a couple Z24 truck engines but I have read there is a driver side tilt vs a passenger side tilt on the 1600 L- series. Is there a five speed transmission that will fit my 1970 1600 besides the L-series 2000? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 16 23:19:13 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'steven boortz'" , "'David Boerst'" Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:56:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission That would be Mark Sedlack: http://www.mildevco.net/chevypowereddatsuns/ Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steven boortz Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:38 PM To: David Boerst; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission there is someone who put a chevy 4.3L 90 degree V6 in a roadster. i think he's on the list, but i don't remember his name. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 00:34:14 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: David Boerst , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:07:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed transmissions NONE of the L-series trannies bolt up! The easiest route to go is the Roadster 5 speed and associated parts, from the U20 engined cars. An early/mid '80s Nissan diesel P/U transmission will bolt right up, But it will also probably require some 'massaging' of the frame at the X. first gear would be pretty low tho. It is pretty much the same as the Z and other 5 spds of the era, just a different front half on the tranny. See this thread: http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2749&hilit=5+speed Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Boerst" >I have been doing some research on installing a 5 speed manual in place of >the original 4 speed manual. I have a couple Z24 truck engines but I have >read there is a driver side tilt vs a passenger side tilt on the 1600 L- >series. Is there a five speed transmission that will fit my 1970 1600 >besides the L-series 2000? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 08:17:47 2009 From: "Steve Harvey" To: "'steven boortz'" , "'David Boerst'" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:49:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission I've always heard about the KA24 and SR20DE(T) swaps but never hear from which model and year Nissan's the engines come from. Could someone provide that information? Thanks Steve -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steven boortz Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:38 PM To: David Boerst; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission 2 popular (and easier-to-make-fit-than-a-turbo-V6) engines to swap are the KA24 and SR20DE(T). they're both 4 cylinder engines. either engine represents a huge jump over stock, and the SR20 can easily be built to 300+ HP. it's lighter than a V6, and easier to squeeze into the space. there is someone who put a chevy 4.3L 90 degree V6 in a roadster. i think he's on the list, but i don't remember his name. i've seen 13B's and an L28 inline 6 in one. the V6 is a great idea though. a dual exhaust could easily work by making holes in the X member on the other side. BTW, British Leyland built an MGB GT with a 231 Buick in it. in the end i guess what you could put into a roadster is limited only by your imagination and the balance in your checking account. i hope you do it. i'd love to see it when it's done. s 675MIZU ________________________________ From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:31:17 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission I have a few 1600s and one of them I was contemplating shoehorning a Turbo 300ZX engine and a 5 speed. Anyone ever try that? I have had a few Austin Healey 100-4s, TR3s and TR4s with smallblock chevys. Even built a MGB with a 231 buick. Now time for a Nissan screamer. My main 1600 that I have been posting about has a high rise cam (I was told that when I bought the car) and stainless headers. I have a few Datsun Zs and was wondering will any Z car 5 speeds bolt up to a 1600. I am quite ignorant when it comes to Nissan/Datsun cars. Used to be into British cars with American power. Want to experiment with Nissan/Datsun engine swaps. I also have a couple mid 80s Datsun pickups with the 4 banger with 8 plugs and 5 speeds. Are they worth while? Ideas? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as stebharvey@ameritech.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 09:49:07 2009 From: peter harrison To: datsun Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 08:29:48 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend w/Linda's help - need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive that? Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it away from exhaust - not looking for freebies thx peter ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 10:04:48 2009 From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] KA24 and SR20 donor vehicles (was "Re: Datsun 1600 and Should be in the Engine Swaps section on the 311s.org forums. I know there's a detailed SR20 swap how-to by Michael. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Harvey" To: "steven boortz" , "David Boerst" , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:49:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Datsun 1600 and a 5 speed transmission I've always heard about the KA24 and SR20DE(T) swaps but never hear from which model and year Nissan's the engines come from. Could someone provide that information? Thanks Steve ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 10:31:10 2009 From: "MH" To: "peter harrison" , "datsun" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:09:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Remove valve cover, loosen rocker arms sufficiently to relieve lifter tension at high cam lobe positions or remove rocker shaft / arm assembly & push rods, After you pull the engine from the car, turn the engine upside down then remove: oil pan (optional, but is a good idea for guiding the cam in and out), fan belt, crank pulley/damper, timing cover, timing chain, cam gear, cam gear retainer, ........then extract the cam. That's the BASIC info. Go thru those steps, and you'll learn the smaller, intermediate things as you go. Disclaimer: ..... I might have forgotten other important items, but that's the general idea. I think there is more info in the service publications. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter harrison" To: "datsun" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend w/Linda's > help - > need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive that? > > Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it away > from exhaust - not looking for freebies > > thx > > peter ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 10:48:37 2009 From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Cleaning the cam? Don't remember that in the maintenance schedule. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter harrison" To: "datsun" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:29:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend w/Linda's help - need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may achieve that? Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it away from exhaust - not looking for freebies thx peter ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 11:07:00 2009 From: Pat Horne To: MH Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:44:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam If you are trying to remove the cam in the car, try removing the rocker shaft and push rods. Then use some magnetic pickup tools to hold each lifter as far up as they will go so that they clear the cam lobes. Install the tools and rotate the cam, watching the magnets ride one by one. When the magnet reaches its highest point try to pull it up a little more, then block the magnet in place. Do this for all listers. Adding some lithium grease might also help hold the lifters up. Remove the radiator, lower pulley, timing chain cover and cam timing gear. Be sure to note position of cam shaft to crank for reassembly. Am I mistaking, but doesn't the distributor drive gear also need to be removed? Rotate the cam at least one turn again to be sure that the magnets are holding the lifters out of the way. Remove the cam retainer and work the cam out the front. You may have to remove the grill, I can't remember. Peace, Pat Thusly spake MH, On 9/17/2009 11:09 AM: > Remove valve cover, loosen rocker arms sufficiently to relieve lifter > tension at high cam lobe positions or remove rocker shaft / arm assembly & > push rods, After you pull the engine from the car, turn the engine upside > down then remove: > > oil pan (optional, but is a good idea for guiding the cam in and out), fan > belt, crank pulley/damper, timing cover, timing chain, cam gear, cam gear > retainer, ........then extract the cam. That's the BASIC info. Go thru those > steps, and you'll learn the smaller, intermediate things as you go. > > Disclaimer: ..... I might have forgotten other important items, but that's > the general idea. I think there is more info in the service publications. > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter harrison" > To: "datsun" > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > > >> So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend >> > w/Linda's > >> help - >> need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive >> > that? > >> Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it >> > away > >> from exhaust - not looking for freebies >> >> thx >> >> peter >> > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 11:18:52 2009 From: Toby B To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:04:23 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] transmissions "My main 1600 that I have been posting about has a high rise cam (I was told that when I bought the car) and stainless headers. I have a few Datsun Zs and was wondering will any Z car 5 speeds bolt up to a 1600." Nope, different pattern. The U20 5- speed will, but it leaves you with a very tall 1st gear. Great for higher speeds, not so good in town. Toby ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 11:19:30 2009 From: "SlowBoy" To: "'datsun'" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:05:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Why do we turn the engine upside down to get the cam out????? -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MH Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM To: peter harrison; datsun Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Remove valve cover, loosen rocker arms sufficiently to relieve lifter tension at high cam lobe positions or remove rocker shaft / arm assembly & push rods, After you pull the engine from the car, turn the engine upside down then remove: oil pan (optional, but is a good idea for guiding the cam in and out), fan belt, crank pulley/damper, timing cover, timing chain, cam gear, cam gear retainer, ........then extract the cam. That's the BASIC info. Go thru those steps, and you'll learn the smaller, intermediate things as you go. Disclaimer: ..... I might have forgotten other important items, but that's the general idea. I think there is more info in the service publications. Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter harrison" To: "datsun" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend w/Linda's > help - > need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive that? > > Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it away > from exhaust - not looking for freebies > > thx > > peter ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 11:52:04 2009 From: Pat Horne To: SlowBoy Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:23:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam It keeps the lifters from falling out unless you have them restrained otherwise. Thusly spake SlowBoy, On 9/17/2009 12:05 PM: > Why do we turn the engine upside down to get the cam out????? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MH > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM > To: peter harrison; datsun > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > Remove valve cover, loosen rocker arms sufficiently to relieve lifter > tension at high cam lobe positions or remove rocker shaft / arm assembly & > push rods, After you pull the engine from the car, turn the engine upside > down then remove: > > oil pan (optional, but is a good idea for guiding the cam in and out), fan > belt, crank pulley/damper, timing cover, timing chain, cam gear, cam gear > retainer, ........then extract the cam. That's the BASIC info. Go thru those > steps, and you'll learn the smaller, intermediate things as you go. > > Disclaimer: ..... I might have forgotten other important items, but that's > the general idea. I think there is more info in the service publications. > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter harrison" > To: "datsun" > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > > >> So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend >> > w/Linda's > >> help - >> need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive >> > that? > >> Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it >> > away > >> from exhaust - not looking for freebies >> >> thx >> >> peter >> > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 11:54:49 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] KA24 swap notes Since I saw (and still see) this as one of my future prospects, I have collected over the years the notes on potential engines to select (from Andy Cost, thank you very much) and responses as to performance and such from the list as well as "what I like about the swap" message exchanges with various folks. It is rather long, and several have already received it, so I won't clutter up everyone's Inbox. Let me know who would like the info, and I'll send it along in a mass mailing. (yep, a lot of it may be available on 311s.org, I'll see if Steve wants to post it as well) Fergus O ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 12:17:53 2009 From: "Schlegel, Richard" To: "'datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:38:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... I read somewhere that a 280Z 5 speed will bolt right up. Is this true? Should be a lot of those laying around. Take Care, Rich & Kelly '68 1600 http://www.picasaweb.google.com/IAmRockinRich Member of the SoCalROC | http://www.SoCalROC.org Some Roadster Videos | http://www.youtube.com/IAmRockinRich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Boerst Subject: [Roadsters] 5 speed transmissions To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <31569.82543.qm@web58605.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been doing some research on installing a 5 speed manual in place of the original 4 speed manual. I have a couple Z24 truck engines but I have read there is a driver side tilt vs a passenger side tilt on the 1600 L- series. Is there a five speed transmission that will fit my 1970 1600 besides the L-series 2000? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 12:18:14 2009 From: "Chris & Christy Breyer" To: SlowBoy Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:48:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Bigger question... Why does the cam need cleaned? On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:05 AM, SlowBoy wrote: > Why do we turn the engine upside down to get the cam out????? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MH > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:10 AM > To: peter harrison; datsun > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > Remove valve cover, loosen rocker arms sufficiently to relieve lifter > tension at high cam lobe positions or remove rocker shaft / arm assembly & > push rods, After you pull the engine from the car, turn the engine upside > down then remove: > > oil pan (optional, but is a good idea for guiding the cam in and out), fan > belt, crank pulley/damper, timing cover, timing chain, cam gear, cam gear > retainer, ........then extract the cam. That's the BASIC info. Go thru > those > steps, and you'll learn the smaller, intermediate things as you go. > > Disclaimer: ..... I might have forgotten other important items, but that's > the general idea. I think there is more info in the service publications. > Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter harrison" > To: "datsun" > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:29 AM > Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > > > So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend > w/Linda's > > help - > > need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive > that? > > > > Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it > away > > from exhaust - not looking for freebies > > > > thx > > > > peter > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fairlady66@gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > -- Our Classic Rides: '66 1600 '70 521 '73 Mustang Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ If you are lucky enough to stand next to a Datsun, then you are lucky enough. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 12:52:37 2009 From: Eric Gillis To: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:29:23 +0000 Subject: [Roadsters] Lifter noise, oil, and ZDDP additives Well David's posting filled the bandwidth for a couple of days. That reminded me of a conversation I had with someone up in Shasta this summer. I was told to put diesel oil in the car (with new rebuild) to address the issue of flat tappet damage. This original post got me to a searchin the 'net for information about the lack of ZPPD in modern oils. As others have suggested, do a search to see how others with older engines are dealing with this issue. Several sites suggested using specific oils, making blends (same weight) with oils containing ZPPD, etc. I had just finished the first oil change since rebuild of my R16 and wanted to address the issue proactively and looked for an additive to put in the new oil in the crankcase. I used Lucas Break-In with TB Zinc Plus to top off the fill. When searching I found that the lack of ZPPD was more of a concern for new cams/tappets as they haven't gone through several heat/wear cycles and may be harmed with oils lacking ZPPD (according to conventional/majority wisdom). At $15 a bottle and a smell that makes gear oil smell like roses, I tried it. My rebuild used the same cam and may have new tappets, I have to check. Just wanted to report what I did, I felt using diesel-designed oils (as did many others with older engines) may add other additives that may not be compatible with a gas engine (no evidence here, just a 'hunch'). Synthetics are pricey, to say the least. On a side note, one Mustang board had a question about a 69 240z (LHD) and whether it was worth it to restore, only needed an interior and paint. The messages suggested that it wasn't special and should have a V8 put in to it. Sigh, maybe I should put up a post of how a 65 350GT Shelby looks and works better with a RB26dett (a la Tokyo Drift) ;) Eric G > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:22:54 -0700 > From: dboerst@yahoo.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Lifter noise > > Are the lifters on the 1600 Mechanical or Hydraulic? The engine makes a fairly loud tick-tick-tick. Not a main or rod bearing thud type sound. has great oil pressure but seems to run a little hot. I live in Arizona so.... > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mkiisupra@hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you health info from trusted sources. http://www.bing.com/search?q=pet+allergy&form=MHEINA&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MH EINA_Health_Health_PetAllergy_1x1 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 13:02:21 2009 From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... Not true. The -ONLY- 5-speed that will bolt up to a roadster R16 (1600) or U20 (2000) engine is the 5-speed that came with the 2000. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schlegel" To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:38:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... I read somewhere that a 280Z 5 speed will bolt right up. Is this true? Should be a lot of those laying around. Take Care, Rich & Kelly '68 1600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Boerst Subject: [Roadsters] 5 speed transmissions To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <31569.82543.qm@web58605.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been doing some research on installing a 5 speed manual in place of the original 4 speed manual. I have a couple Z24 truck engines but I have read there is a driver side tilt vs a passenger side tilt on the 1600 L- series. Is there a five speed transmission that will fit my 1970 1600 besides the L-series 2000? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as ppeters914@comcast.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 13:02:55 2009 From: chalsted@comcast.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] nice 2000 wanted I have someone looking for a really nice 2000, if you have one for sale or know someone who does please contact me offlist Thanks- Craig ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 13:45:15 2009 From: Ronnie Day To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:17:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... Won't work. The L-6 Zs and the L-4 510, 610, etc, all have a common configuration and bolt pattern, but it's different than the U-20/R-16 found on the roadsters. Back in the day Datsun the 240Z 4 speeds had a seperate bell housing which could be used with the roadster 5-speed main and tail cases to put a roadster 5 speed in the 240Z and 510. They also offered shortened drive shafts and rear tranny mounts for both cars. Once they started selling Z-Cars (and trucks) with 5-speeds that need went away. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Schlegel, Richard wrote: > I read somewhere that a 280Z 5 speed will bolt right up. Is this true? > Should > be a lot of those laying around. > Take Care, > Rich & Kelly > '68 1600 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 14:01:32 2009 From: Stan Chernoff To: "SlowBoy" , "'datsun'" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:41:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam It's an anti-gravity thing. Well it just lets gravity get things out of the cams way. Stan ======== At 10:05 AM 9/17/2009, SlowBoy wrote: >Why do we turn the engine upside down to get the cam out????? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 14:16:20 2009 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "'Pete Peters'" , "'Datsun Roadster List'" Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:53:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... Don't forget the mid-close and ultra-close NISMO 5 speeds! No transmissions from a later Datsun/Nissan will 'bolt on' a R16 or U20. The automatic 3 speed from a RL411 will bolt on and make your roadster slower, Rumor has it the RL411 has a close ratio 4 speed, but I've never found one. Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pete Peters Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:47 PM To: Datsun Roadster List Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... Not true. The -ONLY- 5-speed that will bolt up to a roadster R16 (1600) or U20 (2000) engine is the 5-speed that came with the 2000. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Schlegel" To: "datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:38:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... I read somewhere that a 280Z 5 speed will bolt right up. Is this true? Should be a lot of those laying around. Take Care, Rich & Kelly '68 1600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Boerst Subject: [Roadsters] 5 speed transmissions To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Message-ID: <31569.82543.qm@web58605.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been doing some research on installing a 5 speed manual in place of the original 4 speed manual. I have a couple Z24 truck engines but I have read there is a driver side tilt vs a passenger side tilt on the 1600 L- series. Is there a five speed transmission that will fit my 1970 1600 besides the L-series 2000? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as ppeters914@comcast.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as 9laser3@bright.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 15:19:50 2009 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:46:21 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Automatics (was: 5 speed) > The automatic 3 speed from a RL411 will bolt on and make your > roadster slower... Before anyone gets excited, the RL411 slushbox won't fit. It's wider than the manual boxes. And yes, there are a few automatic Roadsters out there, but that's a whole 'nother discussion... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 15:20:52 2009 From: Daryl Smith To: Paul <9laser3@bright.net>, 'Pete Peters' , Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:56:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] 5 speed... > > No transmissions from a later Datsun/Nissan will 'bolt on' a R16 or > > U20.<< Not true. The diesel p/u 5 spd of the early mid '80s will also bolt right up to the engine. Clearance at the frame is a problem tho. The front half of this transmission can be taken off and bolted to many of the earlier and later 5 spds used by Nissan. I am currently running one of these front halfs (slight modifications) with a '92 240SX 5spd guts and back half, on my 1800cc R series stroker with a .833 5th gear. It's a bunch more work than a U20 5 spd, but doable and makes rebuilds and parts much easier. http://www.311s.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2749&hilit=5+speed The 5 spd from the roadster is a 'close ratio' transmission. I don't know how 'exclusive' the guts of this transmission are, but you may be able to fit gears in from a later transmission to make it a wider ratio, and lower that first gear....... OR maybe put in a higher 5th (.833 or .810 or ?) so that you have a more reasonable cruising rpm when you run a 4.11 or higher rear diff ratio.........Anyone know if this is possible? Daryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> > Don't forget the mid-close and ultra-close NISMO 5 speeds! > > No transmissions from a later Datsun/Nissan will 'bolt on' a R16 or U20. > The automatic 3 speed from a RL411 will bolt on and make your roadster > slower, Rumor has it the RL411 has a close ratio 4 speed, but I've never > found one. > > Paul > Ohio > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pete Peters > > Not true. The -ONLY- 5-speed that will bolt up to a roadster R16 (1600) or > U20 (2000) engine is the 5-speed that came with the 2000. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Schlegel" > > I read somewhere that a 280Z 5 speed will bolt right up. Is this true? > Should > be a lot of those laying around. > Take Care, > Rich & Kelly > '68 1600 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 16:29:43 2009 From: "MH" To: "Toby B" , Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:14:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] transmissions "> The U20 5- speed will, but it leaves you with a very tall 1st gear. Great for higher speeds, not so good in town". Really?......... I guess I better put my 4-speed back in and give the 5-speed away......who wants it? LOL! Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby B" To: Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: [Roadsters] transmissions > "My main 1600 that I have been posting about has a high rise cam (I > was told that when I bought the car) and stainless headers. I have a > few Datsun Zs and was wondering will any Z car 5 speeds bolt up to a > 1600." > > Nope, different pattern. > > The U20 5- speed will, but it leaves you with a very tall 1st gear. > Great for higher speeds, not so good in town. > > Toby > ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 17:15:44 2009 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "'MH'" , "'Toby B'" , Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:46:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] transmissions Try the 3.90 ring & pinion from the 1600 with the 5 speed. Makes a great set up for around town. Paul -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MH Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:14 PM To: Toby B; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] transmissions "> The U20 5- speed will, but it leaves you with a very tall 1st gear. Great for higher speeds, not so good in town". Really?......... I guess I better put my 4-speed back in and give the 5-speed away......who wants it? LOL! Mike Hudson '67 - Stroker / 5-Speed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby B" To: Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: [Roadsters] transmissions > "My main 1600 that I have been posting about has a high rise cam (I > was told that when I bought the car) and stainless headers. I have a > few Datsun Zs and was wondering will any Z car 5 speeds bolt up to a > 1600." > > Nope, different pattern. > > The U20 5- speed will, but it leaves you with a very tall 1st gear. > Great for higher speeds, not so good in town. > > Toby > ________________________________________ You are subscribed as 9laser3@bright.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 17:16:54 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: granvillecomputing@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:51:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam So to explain a bit, Peter's engine came back from the machinist and he needs to blow out and clean out any debris from the machining work. How is the best way to do that? The head is separated from the block, no oilpan on and everything has been hot tanked but still the machinist recommends a final "cleaning' before reassembly. Does the cam need to come out to do that? Linda -----Original Message----- From: peter harrison To: datsun Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29 am Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend w/Linda's help - need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive that? Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it away from exhaust - not looking for freebies thx peter You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 17:46:42 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Sorry if I posted too much Thanks for all the responses! David Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 18:01:30 2009 From: "Richard Brown" To: , , Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:39:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam The machinist that I trust the most always recommended washing everything down with hot soapy water, blowing out/off with air, then oiling. That is to get rid of the metallic dust that settles while the parts are sitting in the shop after coming out of the cleaner. Richard Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > So to explain a bit, Peter's engine came back from the machinist and he > needs to blow out and clean out any debris from the machining work. How is > the best way to do that? The head is separated from the block, no oilpan > on and everything has been hot tanked but still the machinist recommends a > final "cleaning' before reassembly. Does the cam need to come out to do > that? > > Linda > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: peter harrison > To: datsun > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29 am > Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > > > > > > > > > > So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend > w/Linda's > help - > need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive > that? > > Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it > away > from exhaust - not looking for freebies > > thx > > peter > You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as reblues@gmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 18:01:47 2009 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:43:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > So to explain a bit, Peter's engine came back from the machinist > and he needs to blow out and clean out any debris from the machining > work. Hmmmm.... this seems a bit odd.... If there's any residue that needs blowing out, then the block/crank/cam isn't ready to be bolted together - trying to blow out the oil passages with parts installed will not lead to happy results. So the cam shouldn't have been installed until the block was clean and ready to go. If there's any any any doubt that there's any trace of grunge, it all needs to come apart. That involves pulling the crank (which may mean replacing the rear main seal). Also note that the cam bearings better be slathered in pre-lube (typically a white creamy goo). All of the bearings should be pre-lubed. Other notes: The archives reference popping a plug at the end of the oil gallery to allow thorough cleaning on the passage, and tapping the hole and plugging it when done. Sorry, I can't be more specific offhand. And when removing or installing the cam (or jackshaft for 2L fans), be very VERY careful when sliding the 'stick in to not bump and nick any of the cam bearings that are pressed into the block. Any nick and you better replace the insert while you can. My thoughts. Others may differ... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 18:15:34 2009 From: Pat Horne To: ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:51:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam You can start with a solvent using galley brushes for all openings. Pull the plug on the back of the engine that plugs the oil galley and clean it real good. Blow out the passages and repeat until you don't get any more crud out. Next switch to a water based cleaner like Simple Green and the galley brushes and repeat until clean. Others may have a better cleaner, but this has worked for me. After all the galleys are clean, including the water jacket, clean the bottom end the same way, then plug all the holes and clean the exterior the same way. That should do it, lots of solvent, air water based cleaner and more air. Peace, Pat Thusly spake ljordan704@netscape.net, On 9/17/2009 5:51 PM: > So to explain a bit, Peter's engine came back from the machinist and he needs to blow out and clean out any debris from the machining work. How is the best way to do that? The head is separated from the block, no oilpan on and everything has been hot tanked but still the machinist recommends a final "cleaning' before reassembly. Does the cam need to come out to do that? > > Linda > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: peter harrison > To: datsun > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29 am > Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > > > > > > > > > > So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in last weekend w/Linda's > help - > need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I may acheive that? > > Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - want to move it away > from exhaust - not looking for freebies > > thx > > peter > You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 18:30:55 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: dboerst@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:13:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Sorry if I posted too much No you didn't Linda -----Original Message----- From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 4:21 pm Subject: [Roadsters] Sorry if I posted too much Thanks for all the responses! David ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 18:46:16 2009 From: peter harrison To: datsun Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:19:39 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the Cam I guess I am not being clear - the engine is COMPLETELY disassembled EXCEPT for the cam being still in the block. How do i get the cam OUT. There appear to be freeze plug thingies holding it in. Thx ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 19:48:07 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: granvillecomputing@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:02:54 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the Cam Remove the retainer and slide it out of the front. There should be two bolts holding the retainer. If the sprocket is in place they might be hidden. keith In a message dated 9/17/2009 5:46:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, granvillecomputing@hotmail.com writes: I guess I am not being clear - the engine is COMPLETELY disassembled EXCEPT for the cam being still in the block. How do i get the cam OUT. There appear to be freeze plug thingies holding it in. Thx You are subscribed as keith0alan@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 22:12:41 2009 From: Girault Jones To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:37:12 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] carburetor question My 1970 SPL311 has got a solenoid valve mounted on the intake manifold between the two SU's. When current is applied it allows gas/ air mixture to pass between the manifold and ports located just upstream of each throttle valve. Can some one tell me its purpose and when it is supposed to be activated? Thanks, Girault ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 17 23:15:47 2009 From: "Andy Cost" To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P \(AS\)'" , Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:02:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] KA24 swap notes I have new data to add. -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:29 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] KA24 swap notes Since I saw (and still see) this as one of my future prospects, I have collected over the years the notes on potential engines to select (from Andy Cost, thank you very much) and responses as to performance and such from the list as well as "what I like about the swap" message exchanges with various folks. It is rather long, and several have already received it, so I won't clutter up everyone's Inbox. Let me know who would like the info, and I'll send it along in a mass mailing. (yep, a lot of it may be available on 311s.org, I'll see if Steve wants to post it as well) Fergus O You are subscribed as andycost@embarqmail.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 01:31:03 2009 From: "Howard @ Everything Christmas" To: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:58:06 +1000 Subject: [Roadsters] Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley Hi All, Does anyone know where I can purchase a Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley. Preferably not for a Kings Randsom I need to slow down the water pump to try and get my engine cooler on a Solex Equipped U20 engine on my Race Car. I am already using a 4 core radiator and ducting to direct the air straight into the radiator. I need to pull the water temp back 20 degrees c or so. and this is one step. I know one is made for the SR20, but is there anything around for the U20 ? I installed one that I think came from the Z family that was slightly larger, but I would like to try and extra step to something like an 8" diameter as the engine mainly runs 4000 to 7500 for circuit racing , up to 60 mile events. Oh, it is a highly developed race only engine professionally built by a race engine specialist. Regards, Howard, Datsun 2000 Solex 3 of them: one race one road(nearly) and one wreck. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 05:16:13 2009 From: "Andy Cost" To: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:47:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley I got a pulley off a Chevy 350 from the junk yard. It worked fine except the center hole was not big enough to fit on the roadster shaft. It was easy to drill out. Andy -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard @ Everything Christmas Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:58 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley Hi All, Does anyone know where I can purchase a Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley. Preferably not for a Kings Randsom I need to slow down the water pump to try and get my engine cooler on a Solex Equipped U20 engine on my Race Car. I am already using a 4 core radiator and ducting to direct the air straight into the radiator. I need to pull the water temp back 20 degrees c or so. and this is one step. I know one is made for the SR20, but is there anything around for the U20 ? I installed one that I think came from the Z family that was slightly larger, but I would like to try and extra step to something like an 8" diameter as the engine mainly runs 4000 to 7500 for circuit racing , up to 60 mile events. Oh, it is a highly developed race only engine professionally built by a race engine specialist. Regards, Howard, Datsun 2000 Solex 3 of them: one race one road(nearly) and one wreck. You are subscribed as andycost@embarqmail.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 06:15:32 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 4:57:05 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit Is there a Nissan part number for the fuel pump rebuild kit? Thanks ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 07:00:38 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 5:40:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit I know I can get if from a vendor and plan on doing that. But, I like to try to order parts directly from Nissan so Nissan North America see that the demand is there. ---- Tim wrote: ============= Is there a Nissan part number for the fuel pump rebuild kit? Thanks You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 07:00:59 2009 From: Stan Chernoff To: Tim , "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:42:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit Nissan part number for fuel pump repair kit is 00310-51500 Stan ========== At 04:57 AM 9/18/2009, Tim wrote: >Is there a Nissan part number for the fuel pump rebuild kit? > >Thanks >________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 08:15:51 2009 From: Robert Martinez To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject) For you 510 fans. http://bringatrailer.com/2009/09/17/one-77-year-old-owner-1972-datsun-510/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 08:31:33 2009 From: Steve Ehlers To: ljordan704@netscape.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:09:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Linda and Pete , A machine shop that Hot Tanked a block without advising you to get new cam bearings installed ,after also doing machine work ( I suppose boring ) is doing you a dis-service ,I would suggest .Can't believe anybody that should know better wouldn't tell you .In Rebuilding an engine ,replacing Cam bearings is a Normal part of the Re-Build .How can you clean a block completely with it installed ?You can't!And why would you not try to do this ,The machine shop should have spelled out to you ,in my opinion . The best ways to clean a block ,and I have been doing this for over 35 years ,is to use a Local car wash sprayer with the main caps removed and flushing ALL oiling holes ,coolant holes ,freeze plug holes and of course ,everywhere else .You need compressed air to blow out to dry Immediately after doing this and oil up the bores to keep from rusting .A complete spray down with something like Carb cleaner and reapplication of oil to all bores ,Crank saddles and machined surfaces.Wrap in a trash bag till painted and assembled/assembled.Use link free clothes/ towels for wiping down and cleaning for painting . Good luck ! Steve Ehlers Rising Sun Performance Inc. Fort Worth ,Texas "Home of the Oldest Z car Shop in Texas " still in business . ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 08:52:06 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Thanks all for the really good info on cleaning the engine after machining. So it appears that none of the soaps? would harm the bores? I wondered about anything too acidic, "etching" the surfaces. Oiling after cleaning I assume is regular oil. Then once assembly begins the "assembly lube" is used. What is recommended for that? thanks, Linda ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 09:17:32 2009 From: Pat Horne To: ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:57:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam I use white lithium grease. I believe it is generically called Luberplate. It comes in a very large toothpase looking tube Peace, Pat Thusly spake ljordan704@netscape.net, On 9/18/2009 9:33 AM: > Thanks all for the really good info on cleaning the engine after machining. So it appears that none of the soaps? would harm the bores? I wondered about anything too acidic, "etching" the surfaces. > Oiling after cleaning I assume is regular oil. > Then once assembly begins the "assembly lube" is used. What is recommended for that? > thanks, > Linda > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 10:02:23 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: , Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:44:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Just use regular motor oil for oiling the bores. Don't use assembly lube on the bores, pistons or rings. Some builders recommend dipping the whole piston/ring assembly in oil before installing but I think that's overkill and puts too much oil into the combustion chamber. I just smear a lot of oil on the outer surface of the pistons just before assembly. All other surfaces should be coated with assembly lube. Lubriplate is good. Personally I use Redline's assembly lube. I use it on pretty much every moving part including gears and chains. Don't forget to use some on the sides of the connecting rod big ends. When I add the motor oil just before startup, I pour one quart all over the cam and rockers, and pour another quart directly over the upper timing chain (U20) before adding the rest of the oil. Then I spin up the oil pump with a drill to fill the oil passages so the motor will have oil pressure pretty much immediately on startup. This all may seem like overkill to some, but it's easy to do and why take chances? The key to a good engine rebuild is attention to detail. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ljordan704@netscape.net Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:33 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Thanks all for the really good info on cleaning the engine after machining. So it appears that none of the soaps? would harm the bores? I wondered about anything too acidic, "etching" the surfaces. Oiling after cleaning I assume is regular oil. Then once assembly begins the "assembly lube" is used. What is recommended for that? thanks, Linda Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 10:45:24 2009 From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Linda and Peter, There's been a lot of discussion about removing the cam, cleaning the block, and reassembly, but one thing is not clear, at least to me: Has the machine work already been done, or is removing the cam the last bit of disassembly before having machine work done? Pete ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 10:46:25 2009 From: tim fisher To: granvillecomputing@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam I was confused when I saw someone wanting to clean his cam.....After the last couple of emails, I'm glad to see we have some very smart car people out there, so lot's of good advice. I can't believe a machinist wouldn't insist on the cam and bearings coming out, so he could hot tank a bare block. Perhaps you should find another machinist..... --- On Thu, 9/17/09, ljordan704@netscape.net wrote: > From: ljordan704@netscape.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > To: granvillecomputing@hotmail.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 5:51 PM > So to explain a bit, Peter's engine > came back from the machinist and he needs to blow out and > clean out any debris from the machining work. How is the > best way to do that? The head is separated from the block, > no oilpan on and everything has been hot tanked but still > the machinist recommends a final "cleaning' before > reassembly. Does the cam need to come out to do that? > > Linda > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: peter harrison > To: datsun > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 8:29 am > Subject: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > > > > > > > > > > So starting to reassemble eliza - put fuel tank back in > last weekend w/Linda's > help - > need to get the camshaft out to clean it - any idea how I > may acheive that? > > Still looking for passenger side mounts for alternator - > want to move it away > from exhaust - not looking for freebies > > thx > > peter > You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as timbob_fisher@yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 11:16:51 2009 From: "datsun parts.com" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit I searched 00310-51500 in July 1st 2009 Nissan Motor Parts book CD file. The information in the CD references a service file note recommending the purchaser USE 17010-12202 complete fuel pump assembly indicating that the fuel pump kit is no longer available here in US. When I searched the fuel pump kit at NNANET.COM no Nissan dealers show inventory in the states. When a VOR inquiery was made for the complete 17010-12202 fuel pump assembly the results show 0 on hand at the Nissan warehouses. The item is currently on back order. That leaves the regular vendors or EBAY sellers who carry NOS stock of the fuel pump kit or complete fuel pump assembly. Hope that helps. Dean --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Tim wrote: From: Tim Subject: Re: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:40 AM I know I can get if from a vendor and plan on doing that. But, I like to try to order parts directly from Nissan so Nissan North America see that the demand is there. ---- Tim wrote: ============= Is there a Nissan part number for the fuel pump rebuild kit? Thanks ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 11:31:07 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: ppeters914@comcast.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:08:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam The engine has been prepped and machined for reassembly, this is the final cleaning. Whether the cam came out during the "hot tank the block" i have no idea. The crankshaft is out. The head is off and I believe was resurfaced. Everything looks super clean but the machinist said "clean, blow out the dust" etc How much was done to the engine was dependent on what had to be done, and what Peter wanted to be done. Some parts may have been OK? and therefor were not replaced. Mark de Groeff was the machinist and he knows Roadsters very well and is very meticulous and has a great reputation, highly recommended by Dean, but of course is always limited by what the customer wants, can afford etc etc as well as when the engine was last rebuilt etc etc. ?It is good to know that cam bearings "should" be replaced in an engine rebuild, according to some. As we all know, I barely know what a cam is, so I am trying to provide accurate info and do the research in order to help my Roadster pal Peter who has been very helpful to me in getting my car roadworthy. So far with step 1-cleaning we have a lot of good info. More questions to follow I am sure. Thanks, Linda -----Original Message----- From: Pete Peters To: Datsun Roadster List Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2009 9:25 am Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Linda and Peter, There's been a lot of discussion about removing the cam, cleaning the block, and reassembly, but one thing is not clear, at least to me: Has the machine work already been done, or is removing the cam the last bit of disassembly before having machine work done? Pete You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 12:15:34 2009 From: "MH" To: "Tim" , "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:52:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit Diaphram, valves, and valve gaskets for fuel pumps for R16 / H20 engines are available through forklift part suppliers or the Nissan Industrial division. The lower seal is not found. You can get those kit components minus the lower seal for under $15. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 6:57 AM Subject: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit > Is there a Nissan part number for the fuel pump rebuild kit? > > Thanks > ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 12:16:00 2009 From: "MH" To: "Tim" , "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:54:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit If you don't mind non-Nissan, the Airtex 1065 for the R16 is commonly available for around $54. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] fuel pump kit > I know I can get if from a vendor and plan on doing that. > > But, I like to try to order parts directly from Nissan so Nissan North America see that the demand is there. > > > > > ---- Tim wrote: > > ============= > Is there a Nissan part number for the fuel pump rebuild kit? > > Thanks > You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 12:16:08 2009 From: Pat Horne To: ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:58:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam Linda, Thanks for the clarification. The easiest way to find out if the cam bearings have been replaced is to ask the machinist. It may be that the cam bearings were replaced and the cam installed to verify that they are lined up correctly and to protect the cam. In which case, all that needs to be done is to remove the cam and clean out all passages, then put it back in and continue assembling the engine. If they haven't been replaced, they need to be because the hot tank ruins bearing shells left in the engine while dipping it. Peace, Pat Thusly spake ljordan704@netscape.net, On 9/18/2009 12:08 PM: > The engine has been prepped and machined for reassembly, this is the final cleaning. Whether the cam came out during the "hot tank the block" i have no idea. The crankshaft is out. The head is off and I believe was resurfaced. Everything looks super clean but the machinist said "clean, blow out the dust" etc How much was done to the engine was dependent on what had to be done, and what Peter wanted to be done. Some parts may have been OK? and therefor were not replaced. Mark de Groeff was the machinist and he knows Roadsters very well and is very meticulous and has a great reputation, highly recommended by Dean, but of course is always limited by what the customer wants, can afford etc etc as well as when the engine was last rebuilt etc etc. > ?It is good to know that cam bearings "should" be replaced in an engine rebuild, according to some. > As we all know, I barely know what a cam is, so I am trying to provide accurate info and do the research in order to help my Roadster pal Peter who has been very helpful to me in getting my car roadworthy. > So far with step 1-cleaning we have a lot of good info. > More questions to follow I am sure. > Thanks, > Linda > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Peters > To: Datsun Roadster List > Sent: Fri, Sep 18, 2009 9:25 am > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > > > > > > > > > > > Linda and Peter, > > There's been a lot of discussion about removing the cam, cleaning the block, and > reassembly, but one thing is not clear, at least to me: > > Has the machine work already been done, or is removing the cam the last bit of > disassembly before having machine work done? > > Pete > You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 12:16:15 2009 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: ljordan704@netscape.net Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:58:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam > The engine has been prepped and machined for reassembly, this is > the final cleaning. Whether the cam came out during the "hot tank the > block" i have no idea. This is why I have a quizzical look on my face. If the block was hot tanked, the cam bearings MUST be replaced because hot-tanking will destroy the bearings. So my _assumption_ is the machinist tore down the block, did the machine, hot-tanked it, installed cam bearings (with the oil holes lined up), used startup lube while installing the lifters and cam (keeping the order of the lifters correct), and is now just saying "make sure everything's still as clean as when it left the shop". If I'm wrong, you need another machinist... Additional notes: You should be able to see/feel the startup lube around the cam bearings. If you don't I would be concerned. If you blow out the block with compressed air, you may blow more crud IN than you blow OUT. If there's already any crud, chunks, grit particles in there, it needs to be thoroughly re-cleaned. My opinion... -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 18 12:58:05 2009 From: Ronnie Day To: Roadster List Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:38:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Removing the cam IMHO, one needs to throughly clean the whole deal rather you just take things apart (to replace bearings, rings, etc) or a rebuild that includes machining. Even if your block is cleaned in a solvent tank you need to clean all of the oil passages, most commonly using gun cleaning brushes and solvents, and replace all plugs. Sometimes you use threaded plugs, sometimes standard "freeze" plugs. You also need to replace cam bearings (in a pushrod motor) anytime you "tank" a motor. Once that's done wash everything with soap and water. Use a power washer to get any gunk and solvent out of the small passges and blow everything out with compressed air. Royal Purple and other companies offer assembly lube that's primarily designed to lube bearings and such upon first time start until oil pressure builds up. Even if you "prime" the oiling system it's a good idea to use assembly lube on bearings and plenty of oil on pistons and cylinder walls when you bolt it all together. Fire the motor up, make sure you get and sustain oil pressure. If that's okay, run the motor for 15 to 20 minutes at or around 2K rpm, thern shut uit down and dump the oil and filter. Is that a bunch of work? Sure, but it makes a lot of difference in the quality and longevity of your rebuild. -- Ron ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 13:07:04 2009 From: "Larry Dziuba" To: "Roadster List" Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:05:57 -0600 Subject: [Roadsters] Off Topic - 510 Brake Master Cylinder Hello Everyone, It has been a while since I have been on to read anything. I am trying to find out if my 1971 510 master brake and clutch cylinders can be rebuilt. Working good now but I do see some black clouds forming in fluid. I assume that the old "O" rings are breaking down. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have been driving my 68 roadster a bit more this summer. Approximately 3000 miles on rebuilt 2000. Larry. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 13:51:16 2009 From: "Pete Peters" To: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:43:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Off Topic - 510 Brake Master Cylinder Can they be? Sure, but I've seen many folks report the rebuild "never quite worked," and ended up just replacing the master cylinder. A quick look online at NAPA and RockAuto show clutch masters and rebuild kits, but only brake masters. Lots more Dimers on the Bluebirds mailing list and the510realm.com Regards, Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Dziuba Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:06 PM To: Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] Off Topic - 510 Brake Master Cylinder Hello Everyone, It has been a while since I have been on to read anything. I am trying to find out if my 1971 510 master brake and clutch cylinders can be rebuilt. Working good now but I do see some black clouds forming in fluid. I assume that the old "O" rings are breaking down. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have been driving my 68 roadster a bit more this summer. Approximately 3000 miles on rebuilt 2000. Larry. Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 17:53:27 2009 From: Chris Davies To: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:53:15 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Top boot mounting Hi. I was wondering if anyone on the list could send me some detailed pictures of how the convertable top boot is mounted on my 67.5 car. It never came with a boot so I'm not to sure of the mounting points for snaps, twisties, posties, etc. I want to get a boot as opposed to my tonneau cover. I only know there used to be snaps down the inside of the door posts and one on the 1/4 panel but other than that I'm kind of in the dark. Thanks Chris Davies Kitimat B.C. _________________________________________________________________ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 21:38:05 2009 From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "Chris Davies" , Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:26:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Top boot mounting Chris, You have most of the ones inside the passenger compartment already. There are supposed to be three twisties on the vertical panel at the back of the shelf. You should see the holes on that panel in the trunk. The balance of the boot uses the twisties around the back of the passenger compartment as the top/tonneau. The boot also should have the metal bar which slips under the same two lugs that secure the top and tonneau. Does that do it for you? If not I can get pictures of the interior of my '66. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Davies" To: Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: [Roadsters] Top boot mounting > Hi. I was wondering if anyone on the list could send me some detailed > pictures > of how the convertable top boot is mounted on my 67.5 car. It never came > with > a boot so I'm not to sure of the mounting points for snaps, twisties, > posties, > etc. I want to get a boot as opposed to my tonneau cover. I only know > there > used to be snaps down the inside of the door posts and one on the 1/4 > panel > but other than that I'm kind of in the dark. > > Thanks > Chris Davies > Kitimat B.C. > > _________________________________________________________________ > We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 23:39:36 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Problem solved on fuel supply The gas tank must have been a Pack Rat home. I blew out the gas line and used a gas can to run the engine. Has ran for 20 miles without a glitch. Removed the gas tank and there were walnuts in the tank. I have been wrenching on cars for close to 40 years and never had a problem such as this. I am originally from Rochester New York and even the "rust buckets" had decent gas tanks. Thanks goes out to all that have responded on all of my inquiries. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 19 23:51:40 2009 From: David Boerst To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up gasoline was copper/gold in color. The only thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the price. My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is there any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the choke system stop from sticking? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 00:06:43 2009 From: alvin gogineni To: , , Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:05:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Top boot mounting Here is a picture of the 3 twisties on the back panel:http://news.webshots.com/photo/1200513149050107943gfChsR more twisties/posties:http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2569768120103926530MxCgMl Don't forget the postie under the vent window!http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1266634677064815578mCUZF Alvin Gogineni San Jose, CA 67.5 SPL/SR20 > From: aultgc@att.net > To: fairlady_67@hotmail.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:26:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Top boot mounting > > Chris, > > You have most of the ones inside the passenger compartment already. There > are supposed to be three twisties on the vertical panel at the back of the > shelf. You should see the holes on that panel in the trunk. The balance > of the boot uses the twisties around the back of the passenger compartment > as the top/tonneau. The boot also should have the metal bar which slips > under the same two lugs that secure the top and tonneau. > > Does that do it for you? If not I can get pictures of the interior of my > '66. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Davies" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:53 PM > Subject: [Roadsters] Top boot mounting > > >> Hi. I was wondering if anyone on the list could send me some detailed >> pictures >> of how the convertable top boot is mounted on my 67.5 car. It never came >> with >> a boot so I'm not to sure of the mounting points for snaps, twisties, >> posties, >> etc. I want to get a boot as opposed to my tonneau cover. I only know >> there >> used to be snaps down the inside of the door posts and one on the 1/4 >> panel >> but other than that I'm kind of in the dark. >> >> Thanks >> Chris Davies >> Kitimat B.C. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 >> ________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net >> >> Datsun-roadsters mailing list >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as alvingogi@hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 06:21:21 2009 From: "RWM (Out of the Office)" To: David Boerst Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:14:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Walnuts? ;-) - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex David Boerst wrote: > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up gasoline was copper/gold in color. The only thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the price. My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is there any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the choke system stop from sticking? > -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ **Confidentiality Notice** ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 08:07:10 2009 From: "Chris & Christy Breyer" To: Autox Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:00:30 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Tou Drive Request Dear fellow Roadster enthusiast, As the holiday season quickly approaches so does the 2nd Annual SoCalROC Show-N-Shine Toy Drive which is only 7 weeks away. As November 7, 2009 is quickly sneaks up on us, we are working hard to make sure everything is in place. As you can imagine, an event of this scale requires some attention to detail. Though our main purpose is to gather toys for the children, we want to make this a fun time for all and draw as many people in as we can; more people equals more toys. Our sponsors have been gracious. Although their sponsorship is not in the form of funds, we do appreciate their much-needed support (more is still needed here as well if you are a vendor and wish to donated funds or item for raffle your name will be put on our website and flyers). However, we are in need of some funds for this event. Our need is not huge; actually thanks to our sponsors and some club members volunteering, our needs are rather small compared to other events of this caliber. Nevertheless, we do have a need for this Toy Drive to be a success. Our funding goes towards a dual cause. First, we need money to pay for the expenses of the event. Second, we are holding this at the Datsun Heritage Museum which is a non-profit organization and they are letting us use their facility for free. Therefore, any leftover funds will go to support the legacy that the museum is working so diligently to preserve. If you can donate any amount, $10, $15, $20, $30, or more, it will go to a great cause and your name will be included on the card given with the toys when they are delivered. You can also designate some of your funds to buy a toy, just be sure to say so when making your donation. Funds can be sent via PayPal directly to socalroc@gmail.com For more information on the 2nd Annual SoCalROC Show-N-Shine Toy Drive log onto: www.socalroc.net Thank you for your support and showing that Roadster owners care. Yours truly, Chris Breyer, President SoCalROC -- SoCalROC Southern California Datsun Roadster Owners Club Dedicated to the Driving and Restoration of Datsun Roadsters www.socalroc.net -- Our Classic Rides: '66 1600 '70 521 '73 Mustang Riverside, CA ------------------------------------------------------ If you are lucky enough to stand next to a Datsun, then you are lucky enough. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 12:37:49 2009 From: steven boortz To: roadsters Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] locker unit R&R hi everyone i'm working on the roadster this weekend. installed some air intakes into my airdam for the brake ducting. and now have the header off and am going to wrap it before re-installing it. i also have a new diff to eventually install. i have a pumpkin with 4.38 gears, and a (sloppily) welded diff. i have never installed this unit. i also recently acquired a detroit locker. (thanks Dick!). looking at the 2 units, it seems at first glance that swapping the locker into the pumpkin in place of the welded piece seems pretty straight forward. but i could find no discussion on 311s. is it as easy as it looks, or am i in for trouble if i try to do it myself? any hints? thanks in advance steve 675MIZU ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 15:22:46 2009 From: Tim To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:12:20 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] rear carb issue In the process of fixing a small fuel leak (new gasket) on the rear float on my 1600, I have discovered another issue with this carb: The over flow, which is piped into the air cleaner, seems to be flowing fuel into the air cleaner holder--not a lot but enough to be worrying. I have been smelling fuel off and on for a few weeks or so, so I have to think this is a new issue. How do I get this to stop? The float does not have gas in it. And the spring valve in the float seems to be working. I have new carbs coming, but until then, and I do not know how long this will be, I would like to fix this issue. Thanks Tim ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 15:52:12 2009 From: Jim Gammon To: Datsun roadster Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Gasoline used to be made from crude simply. You put the crude in the bottom of a still, and you got gasoline from a certain level in the tower. At the top is hydrogen, then on declining levels, heavier molecules through butane, gasoline, kerosene, diesel, oils down to asphalt tar at the bottom. Due to a need for gasoline with higher octane without lead additives, they had to 'reform" some of the heavier molecules. This involves putting the heavier molecules through a catalytic cracker. This heats the fuel very hot, and breaks the long chains into smaller ones. Then you put the hydrogen back in and you get more useful middle sized molecules. You also get funny molecules that are not very good, and can be corrosive or otherwise bad. Not you always got gums in distilled fuel, but this process produces more funny molecules, so you have different treatments, including ones to remove the sulfur. Getting more higher octane gas from the crude and meeting EPA law creates a Pandora's box of molecules. Hence, you have some big differences between gas 40 years ago. JimG 2K 69 NJ --- On Sun, 9/20/09, RWM (Out of the Office) wrote: From: RWM (Out of the Office) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? To: "David Boerst" Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:14 AM Walnuts? ;-) - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex David Boerst wrote: > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up gasoline was copper/gold in color. The only thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the price. My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is there any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the choke system stop from sticking? -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ **Confidentiality Notice** You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 17:07:36 2009 From: "dave" To: "'Pete Peters'" , Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:57:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Off Topic - 510 Brake Master Cylinder I looked ar Rockauto, saw a whole clutch master for $18.00 RHINO PAC Part # M0612 a clutch slave for $13.50 RHINO PAC Part # S0650 and a clutch hose for $9.00 DORMAN Part # H96868. May as well change all the rubber in there for $40.00 and be done with it. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Pete Peters [mailto:ppeters914@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:44 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Off Topic - 510 Brake Master Cylinder Can they be? Sure, but I've seen many folks report the rebuild "never quite worked," and ended up just replacing the master cylinder. A quick look online at NAPA and RockAuto show clutch masters and rebuild kits, but only brake masters. Lots more Dimers on the Bluebirds mailing list and the510realm.com Regards, Pete -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Dziuba Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 12:06 PM To: Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] Off Topic - 510 Brake Master Cylinder Hello Everyone, It has been a while since I have been on to read anything. I am trying to find out if my 1971 510 master brake and clutch cylinders can be rebuilt. Working good now but I do see some black clouds forming in fluid. I assume that the old "O" rings are breaking down. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have been driving my 68 roadster a bit more this summer. Approximately 3000 miles on rebuilt 2000. Larry. Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 19:07:16 2009 From: Ronnie Day To: Roadster List Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:56:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] locker unit R&R Steve, If you've never swapped a ring gear and pinion, I'd suggest having it done. It's not a simple task without the right tools and some experience. There are a number of critical tolerances that must be set correctly or you can chew up the gears in short order as well as messing up your nice Detroit Locker. Search the web for info on replacing and setting up the R&P and you'll see what I mean. Ron On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:18 PM, steven boortz < vociferouschicanery@yahoo.com> wrote: > hi everyone > i'm working on the roadster this weekend. installed some air intakes into > my airdam for the brake ducting. and now have the header off and am going > to wrap it before re-installing it. > i also have a new diff to eventually install. i have a pumpkin with 4.38 > gears, and a (sloppily) welded diff. i have never installed this unit. i > also recently acquired a detroit locker. (thanks Dick!). looking at the 2 > units, it seems at first glance that swapping the locker into the pumpkin in > place of the welded piece seems pretty straight forward. but i could find > no discussion on 311s. is it as easy as it looks, or am i in for trouble if > i try to do it myself? any hints? > thanks in advance > steve > 675MIZU > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 21:40:58 2009 From: Scott Ulrich To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:40:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Somewhat off topic I guess, somewhat on. I hate that you can't store something as simple as a scooter for more than a few months without draining all the fuel out of it first - otherwise risking an unnecessarily expensive complete fuel system clean-out. On the other hand, I remember growing up in Los Angeles as a kid and sometimes not being able to see the end of the block in the summer from the smog. People still complain about the air here, who either don't remember or weren't here to see what Hell on Earth could look like. Sure, its still bad some days, no question about that. But today's bad is nothing compared to the leaded-gas days. Sorry, just waxing anti-nostalgic. Back to the topic at hand. I think there is something you can put in gas for long-term storage (or what some people mysteriously call "Winter.") Pretty sure I've read about them on motorcycle forums. Off to Google it... > > David Boerst wrote: > > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up gasoline was > copper/gold > in color. The only thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the > price. My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is > there > any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the choke system stop > from sticking? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 21:54:54 2009 From: ljordan704@netscape.net To: scott8933@socal.rr.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:54:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Stabil works pretty well. I agree, the gas is gummy. It gums up the float bowl valve too easily. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Scott Ulrich To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Somewhat off topic I guess, somewhat on. I hate that you can't store something as simple as a scooter for more than a few months without draining all the fuel out of it first - otherwise risking an unnecessarily expensive complete fuel system clean-out. On the other hand, I remember growing up in Los Angeles as a kid and sometimes not being able to see the end of the block in the summer from the smog. People still complain about the air here, who either don't remember or weren't here to see what Hell on Earth could look like. Sure, its still bad some days, no question about that. But today's bad is nothing compared to the leaded-gas days. Sorry, just waxing anti-nostalgic. Back to the topic at hand. I think there is something you can put in gas for long-term storage (or what some people mysteriously call "Winter.") Pretty sure I've read about them on motorcycle forums. Off to Google it... > > David Boerst wrote: > > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up gasoline was > copper/gold > in color. The only thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the > price. My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is > there > any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the choke system stop > from sticking? You are subscribed as ljordan704@netscape.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 22:07:21 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:56:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? so my question is: the stuff we use to keep gasoline from degrading - how long does it last (the stuff)? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? > Stabil works pretty well. I agree, the gas is gummy. It gums up the float > bowl valve too easily. > Linda > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Ulrich > To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 8:40 pm > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum > up? > > > > > > > > > > > Somewhat off topic I guess, somewhat on. I hate that you can't store > something as simple as a scooter for more than a few months without > draining > all the fuel out of it first - otherwise risking an unnecessarily > expensive > complete fuel system clean-out. > On the other hand, I remember growing up in Los Angeles as a kid and > sometimes not being able to see the end of the block in the summer from > the > smog. People still complain about the air here, who either don't remember > or weren't here to see what Hell on Earth could look like. Sure, its still > bad some days, no question about that. But today's bad is nothing compared > to the leaded-gas days. > > Sorry, just waxing anti-nostalgic. Back to the topic at hand. > > I think there is something you can put in gas for long-term storage (or > what > some people mysteriously call "Winter.") Pretty sure I've read about them > on > motorcycle forums. Off to Google it... > > > > > >> >> David Boerst wrote: >> > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up gasoline was >> copper/gold >> in color. The only thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the >> price. My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is >> there >> any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the choke system >> stop >> from sticking? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 22:37:26 2009 From: davesmbox@aol.com To: scott8933@socal.rr.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:30:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? YOU WANT A LAUGH PLAY WITH TODAYS GAS IN A BOAT' Dave -----Original Message----- From: Scott Ulrich To: datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Sep 20, 2009 11:40 pm Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Somewhat off topic I guess, somewhat on. I hate that you can't store something as simple as a scooter for more than a few months without draining all the fuel out of it first - otherwise risking an unnecessarily expensive complete fuel system clean-out. On the other hand, I remember growing up in Los Angeles as a kid and sometimes not being able to see the end of the block in the summer from the smog. People still complain about the air here, who either don't remember or weren't here to see what Hell on Earth could look like. Sure, its still bad some days, no question about that. But today's bad is nothing compared to the leaded-gas days. Sorry, just waxing anti-nostalgic. Back to the topic at hand. I think there is something you can put in gas for long-term storage (or what some people mysteriously call "Winter.") Pretty sure I've read about them on motorcycle forums. Off to Google it... > > David Boerst wrote: > > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up gasoline was > copper/gold > in color. The only thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the > price. My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is > there > any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the choke system stop > from sticking? You are subscribed as davesmbox@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 20 23:24:37 2009 From: Scott Ulrich To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:24:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? My quick and dirty research also turned up Stabil the popular solution. Option (2): using AV gas which is said to be guaranteed for a certain length of time before degrading. I'm sure a pilot on this list could give the specs on that, though I've also heard its not as easy as it used to be to buy gas at the airport. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Gammon wrote: > Stabil ought to give you 6 months anyhow > > JimG ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 06:11:09 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: tputland@charter.net, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:10:28 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] rear carb issue This is normally a float valve issue. Either it is worn out of has a bit of dirt in it. keith williams In a message dated 9/20/2009 2:23:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tputland@charter.net writes: In the process of fixing a small fuel leak (new gasket) on the rear float on my 1600, I have discovered another issue with this carb: The over flow, which is piped into the air cleaner, seems to be flowing fuel into the air cleaner holder--not a lot but enough to be worrying. I have been smelling fuel off and on for a few weeks or so, so I have to think this is a new issue. How do I get this to stop? The float does not have gas in it. And the spring valve in the float seems to be working. I have new carbs coming, but until then, and I do not know how long this will be, I would like to fix this issue. Thanks Tim You are subscribed as keith0alan@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 06:51:46 2009 From: tim fisher To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, David Boerst Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Today's gasoline has 10% alcohol. Alcohol absorbs water at a faster rate than gas does. If you do not use a full tank of gas in a week or so, you should look at only adding as much as you are going to use in that time. Or, stabil is a good product. Good for 6 months or so. --- On Sun, 9/20/09, David Boerst wrote: > From: David Boerst > Subject: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 12:43 AM > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. > When I grew up gasoline was copper/gold in color. The only > thing todays fuel has in common with the color is the price. > My 1600 and Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston > wise. Is there any treatment/additive or polishing of piston > to make the choke system stop from sticking? > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as timbob_fisher@yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 07:37:46 2009 From: tim fisher To: David Boerst , "RWM \(Out of the Office\)" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Ahhhh.....a variation of the old ping pong ball in the gas tank. Makes a nice noise while sloshing around. Not that I've ever been part of such a prank... --- On Sun, 9/20/09, RWM (Out of the Office) wrote: > From: RWM (Out of the Office) > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? > To: "David Boerst" > Cc: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 7:14 AM > Walnuts? ;-) > > - Bob Mann, '68 2000 Solex > > > > David Boerst wrote: > > I don't call todays fuel gasoline. When I grew up > gasoline was copper/gold in color. The only thing todays > fuel has in common with the color is the price. My 1600 and > Amy's 1966 1600 keep gumming up choke piston wise. Is there > any treatment/additive or polishing of piston to make the > choke system stop from sticking? > > -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline > Industry Analysis and Consulting > Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax > 516-944-7280 > mailto:info@RWMann.com > > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ > > **Confidentiality Notice** > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as timbob_fisher@yahoo.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 08:40:43 2009 From: Jim Gammon To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Actually, Avgas (typically 100 LL) is a completely different thing. It is not a straight distillate, but a reprocessed "alkylate". The specification ASTM D910 requires it to have virtually no gum content, because aircraft often sit long periods between flights. JimG --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Scott Ulrich wrote: From: Scott Ulrich Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:24 AM My quick and dirty research also turned up Stabil the popular solution. Option (2): using AV gas which is said to be guaranteed for a certain length of time before degrading. I'm sure a pilot on this list could give the specs on that, though I've also heard its not as easy as it used to be to buy gas at the airport. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Gammon wrote: > Stabil ought to give you 6 months anyhow > > JimG You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 10:06:48 2009 From: Scott Ulrich To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:06:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Good to know. I remember from my street racing days that some of the people *said *they were using avgas to fill up because you could get higher octane. But as with everything else Street Racing related, I knew that 90% of it was probably just big talk. There were (maybe still are?) some gas stations around that sell "racing fuel" - which was something like 105 or 110 octane. But again this may have been just a marketing thing: regular fuel with some off-the-shelf additive in it. The only people I ever saw filling up with it were Valley-Rednecks in their jacked-up (or slammed) trucks. Certainly nobody that actually had a ultra-high compression or forced induction - just a lot of forced-attitude. When I worked for a guy who raced for real, in IT-S class, we just used regular pump gas. But then those were theoretically stock engines. (How the RX-7 guys got away with their gigantic extra ports while still passing inspection, we never exactly knew. Hey, sure - every street rotary goes blaaat-blaaat-blaaat when it idles..) Other, higher-up classes certainly must have been using "real" racing gas though. So I suppose that could be an option, if its stable and you know where to get it. Also a good excuse to up the compression to 11:1 to take advantage of the extra octane you're putting in. Again I'd differ to the list - anyone know the scoop on the various forms of "racing" fuel? On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jim Gammon wrote: > Actually, Avgas (typically 100 LL) is a completely different thing. It is > not a straight distillate, but a reprocessed "alkylate". The specification > ASTM D910 requires it to have virtually no gum content, because aircraft > often sit long periods between flights. > > JimG > > --- On *Mon, 9/21/09, Scott Ulrich * wrote: > > > From: Scott Ulrich > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum > up? > To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:24 AM > > My quick and dirty research also turned up Stabil the popular solution. > Option (2): using AV gas which is said to be guaranteed for a certain > length > of time before degrading. I'm sure a pilot on this list could give the > specs > on that, though I've also heard its not as easy as it used to be to buy gas > at the airport. > > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Jim Gammon > > wrote: > > > Stabil ought to give you 6 months anyhow > > > > JimG ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 10:07:55 2009 From: Mark Kearns To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:07:44 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] (no subject) ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 10:25:52 2009 From: RWM To: Scott Ulrich Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:25:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 10:54:20 2009 From: Scott Ulrich To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:53:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? I didn't mean the *actual *use of avgas was all talk - I meant that I just didn't believe the guy in the jacked-up Camaro with a racing cam and 3" exhaust (and no other mods) who claimed to be filling up at the airport. There was a guy in the SFValley who was kind of famous for building sleepers - he'd stuff a big block into a Gremlin, then put "6-cylinder" stickers back on the air cleaner. Big mufflers, barely made a peep, stock steel wheels - but cut and widened a few inches. No big cam, just lots of cubic inches. That was the guy, if any, who may have been filling up at the airport. But generally the noisier the car, the bigger the mouth, and the less they knew how to build a car for street racing. And they were always surprised to get spanked by a Datsun. "What good's that hood scoop going to do you at 8000rpm doing 35 in 1st gear? Gonna get all that power down with your open 3:27? Do you even *know *how your rear-end is geared? Okay then, want to race that foreign car sitting over there?" Of course my own hubris got me beat plenty of times by sleeper Z-cars running a hidden tank of nitrous somewhere, who'd back-pedal me for the first run. Ah...fine memories. My hair went away with the cars... On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, RWM wrote: > Well, not entirely talk... > > In the "bad old days", avgas was heavily leaded and available in green > 100/130 octane and (less available) purple 115/145 octane. > > The green and purple avgas blends were highly sought after for racing use. > > Now, as Jim says, the lead is long gone and blue 100LL prevails, though for > a while in the 1990s, red 80/87 motor gasoline was in use. > > I use Stabil over the winter in yard machinery and the 2000 and it works > fine. Stabil itself seems to have a very long shelf-life (un-mixed). > > - Bob ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 11:38:08 2009 From: Jerry Krakauer To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:37:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Back in the late 60s, my first BSR built U20 used domed R16 pistons and a milled head for a compression ratio north of 12.5:1. (the second and current build is 11.7:1)The only street fuel it would run on guaranteed not to knock was Sunoco 260. If I recall it was around 102 octane - around 95 - 96 by today's R+M/2 method. We sometimes used 100/145 av gas - (122.5 octane R+M/2). Due to the fact that it had no highway fuel taxes you could not legally just "fill it up" had to use 5 Gal containers, and most general aviation airport operators were in an industry that liked to follow the rules. In the northeast Sunoco still has some stations that sell Sunoco Racing Fuel(formerly known as Cam 2) with an octane in the high 90s, but since it contains lead, again you can't just fill it up, must be purchased in containers, and the nozzles are still the older larger diameter so they won't fit a modern fuel neck. Jerry Krakauer SRL311 00099 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Ulrich" To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? > Good to know. I remember from my street racing days that some of the > people > *said *they were using avgas to fill up because you could get higher > octane. But as with everything else Street Racing related, I knew that 90% > of it was probably just big talk. > > There were (maybe still are?) some gas stations around that sell "racing > fuel" - which was something like 105 or 110 octane. But again this may > have > been just a marketing thing: regular fuel with some off-the-shelf additive > in it. The only people I ever saw filling up with it were Valley-Rednecks > in > their jacked-up (or slammed) trucks. Certainly nobody that actually had a > ultra-high compression or forced induction - just a lot of > forced-attitude. > > When I worked for a guy who raced for real, in IT-S class, we just used > regular pump gas. But then those were theoretically stock engines. (How > the > RX-7 guys got away with their gigantic extra ports while still passing > inspection, we never exactly knew. Hey, sure - every street rotary goes > blaaat-blaaat-blaaat when it idles..) > > Other, higher-up classes certainly must have been using "real" racing gas > though. So I suppose that could be an option, if its stable and you know > where to get it. Also a good excuse to up the compression to 11:1 to take > advantage of the extra octane you're putting in. Again I'd differ to the > list - anyone know the scoop on the various forms of "racing" fuel? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 12:20:00 2009 From: Embarq Customer To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? I just swapped the Race car over to E85. It is 105 octane. It also cleans everything spotless. Andy ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 12:21:30 2009 From: Jim Gammon To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? One thing to remember is that lead will screw up a cat converter on a modern car. JimG 69 2K NJ --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Scott Ulrich wrote: From: Scott Ulrich Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 12:53 PM I didn't mean the *actual *use of avgas was all talk - I meant that I just didn't believe the guy in the jacked-up Camaro with a racing cam and 3" exhaust (and no other mods) who claimed to be filling up at the airport. There was a guy in the SFValley who was kind of famous for building sleepers - he'd stuff a big block into a Gremlin, then put "6-cylinder" stickers back on the air cleaner. Big mufflers, barely made a peep, stock steel wheels - but cut and widened a few inches. No big cam, just lots of cubic inches. That was the guy, if any, who may have been filling up at the airport. But generally the noisier the car, the bigger the mouth, and the less they knew how to build a car for street racing. And they were always surprised to get spanked by a Datsun. "What good's that hood scoop going to do you at 8000rpm doing 35 in 1st gear? Gonna get all that power down with your open 3:27? Do you even *know *how your rear-end is geared? Okay then, want to race that foreign car sitting over there?" Of course my own hubris got me beat plenty of times by sleeper Z-cars running a hidden tank of nitrous somewhere, who'd back-pedal me for the first run. Ah...fine memories. My hair went away with the cars... On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:25 AM, RWM wrote: > Well, not entirely talk... > > In the "bad old days", avgas was heavily leaded and available in green > 100/130 octane and (less available) purple 115/145 octane. > > The green and purple avgas blends were highly sought after for racing use. > > Now, as Jim says, the lead is long gone and blue 100LL prevails, though for > a while in the 1990s, red 80/87 motor gasoline was in use. > > I use Stabil over the winter in yard machinery and the 2000 and it works > fine. Stabil itself seems to have a very long shelf-life (un-mixed). > > - Bob You are subscribed as gtpjimgammon@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 12:50:25 2009 From: Tim To: Herb Petty , "datsun-roadsters: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:42:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Fw: Minden / Nevada Drive 2009 Sept. 19 / 20 Great shots Herb! Makes me miss the Sierra Nevadas and living in Tahoe! Tim ---- Herb Petty wrote: ============= Subject: Minden / Nevada Drive 2009 Sept. 19 / 20 More Foto's.B B B B B ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 14:09:42 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:33 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? Along the lines of "another quirky thing to do to a small engine, anyone recognize the supercharger on this VW engine? ( roots type, I think they call it, intake charge definitely not cooled) http://cncpics.com/v/090905/20090912/DSC02229.JPG.html Tiny 1 bl carb sitting on top, and looks like single port intake manifold. When the race reg people - see previous pics of car - stated "stock carb req'd", I bet they never thought anyone would try to pressurize a stock carb. Just more ruminations, Fergus O ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 14:50:05 2009 From: Gary McCormick To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, " Fergus P \(AS\)O'Farrell" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? Isn't this setup kinda backwards, i.e., isn't a supercharger usually upstream of the carburetor or fuel injection body, in order to pressurize the carb/FIB? I mean, that's why they call 'em blowers, isn't it? This looks like a suck (as opposed to blow) arrangement. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Mon, 9/21/09, O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) wrote: From: O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) Subject: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:08 PM Along the lines of "another quirky thing to do to a small engine, anyone recognize the supercharger on this VW engine? ( roots type, I think they call it, intake charge definitely not cooled) http://cncpics.com/v/090905/20090912/DSC02229.JPG.html Tiny 1 bl carb sitting on top, and looks like single port intake manifold. When the race reg people - see previous pics of car - stated "stock carb req'd", I bet they never thought anyone would try to pressurize a stock carb. Just more ruminations, Fergus O You are subscribed as gkmcc@sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 15:05:24 2009 From: Pat Horne To: Gary McCormick Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:55:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? Old Paxton superchargers were downstream of the carbs, they mounted multiple carbs to the sides of the supercharger, then mounted the supercharger to the manifold. It would be interesting to see what mods he did to the engine compartment lid, I don't think there is enough room to close it and clear the supercharger. Peace, Pat Thusly spake Gary McCormick, On 9/21/2009 3:37 PM: > Isn't this setup kinda backwards, i.e., isn't a supercharger usually upstream > of the carburetor or fuel injection body, in order to pressurize the carb/FIB? > I mean, that's why they call 'em blowers, isn't it? This looks like a suck (as > opposed to blow) arrangement. > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > --- On Mon, 9/21/09, O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) > wrote: > > From: O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) > Subject: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:08 PM > > Along the lines of "another quirky thing to do to a small engine, anyone > recognize the supercharger on this VW engine? ( roots type, I think > they call it, intake charge definitely not cooled) > > http://cncpics.com/v/090905/20090912/DSC02229.JPG.html > > Tiny 1 bl carb sitting on top, and looks like single port intake > manifold. When the race reg people - see previous pics of car - stated > "stock carb req'd", I bet they never thought anyone would try to > pressurize a stock carb. > > Just more ruminations, > Fergus O > You are subscribed as gkmcc@sbcglobal.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 15:35:52 2009 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "'Embarq Customer'" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:18:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? What compression ratio is the race motor? Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Embarq Customer I just swapped the Race car over to E85. It is 105 octane. It also cleans everything spotless. Andy ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 15:36:56 2009 From: Embarq Customer To: datsun-roadsters Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? You can suck through or blow through. The blow through arrangement is a hassle because you have to put the carb inside a pressurized box. Otherwise it shoots gas out all the vents and shaft seals. You also have to vary the fuel pressure based on the amount of boost. The suck through design works pretty well but with an intercooler you have a bomb waiting for the first backfire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McCormick" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell" Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:37:54 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? Isn't this setup kinda backwards, i.e., isn't a supercharger usually upstream of the carburetor or fuel injection body, in order to pressurize the carb/FIB? I mean, that's why they call 'em blowers, isn't it? This looks like a suck (as opposed to blow) arrangement. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Mon, 9/21/09, O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) wrote: From: O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) Subject: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:08 PM Along the lines of "another quirky thing to do to a small engine, anyone recognize the supercharger on this VW engine? ( roots type, I think they call it, intake charge definitely not cooled) http://cncpics.com/v/090905/20090912/DSC02229.JPG.html Tiny 1 bl carb sitting on top, and looks like single port intake manifold. When the race reg people - see previous pics of car - stated "stock carb req'd", I bet they never thought anyone would try to pressurize a stock carb. Just more ruminations, Fergus O You are subscribed as gkmcc@sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as andycost@embarqmail.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 16:07:16 2009 From: Patti Dwinell To: All list Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Seeking the Gauge Guru I'm looking for contact info for Jon Frampton....you out there, Frampton? Please respond off-list. Thanks! Patti Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 16:34:57 2009 From: "dave" To: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:30:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] (no subject) And no content! :) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kearns [mailto:mkearns2@gmail.com] ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 16:50:21 2009 From: "dave" To: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:47:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Andy, That car is injected, correct? I was wondering if it' possible to rejet carbs for E85 and gasoline, or are they that different you would need to pick one. I don't think we have E85 in the Northeast anyway. Dave Brisco ECR -----Original Message----- From: Embarq Customer [mailto:andycost@embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:13 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? I just swapped the Race car over to E85. It is 105 octane. It also cleans everything spotless. Andy ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 17:51:43 2009 From: Pat Horne To: dave Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:49:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? Dave, My understanding is that E85 and Gasoline are so different in their requirements that the only way to use them on the same engine is to go with FI. I don't think I've ever heard of a carburetted engine being set for E85 even though there are some E75 carbs listed on the net. Peace, Pat Thusly spake dave, On 9/21/2009 5:47 PM: > Andy, That car is injected, correct? I was wondering if it' possible to > rejet carbs for E85 and gasoline, or are they that different you would need > to pick one. I don't think we have E85 in the Northeast anyway. > > Dave Brisco > ECR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Embarq Customer [mailto:andycost@embarqmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:13 PM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum > up? > > I just swapped the Race car over to E85. It is 105 octane. It also cleans > everything spotless. > > Andy > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 19:27:05 2009 From: "Gary and Cindy Ault" To: "O'Farrell, Fergus P \(AS\)" , Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:26:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? Fergus, As a former owner of a 1966 1300 Beetle (bought new in 1965), I recall that a Roots-type blower was offered as a kit once upon a time. More common were two-barrel carb/manifolds. I only had an intake scoop and an extractor exhaust with dreams of turning it into a Baja bug when we could afford another car as our family car. Bought a my '66 1600 in 1971 instead. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? > Along the lines of "another quirky thing to do to a small engine, anyone > recognize the supercharger on this VW engine? ( roots type, I think > they call it, intake charge definitely not cooled) > > http://cncpics.com/v/090905/20090912/DSC02229.JPG.html > > Tiny 1 bl carb sitting on top, and looks like single port intake > manifold. When the race reg people - see previous pics of car - stated > "stock carb req'd", I bet they never thought anyone would try to > pressurize a stock carb. > > Just more ruminations, > Fergus O > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 20:50:11 2009 From: Steve Jacobson To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Water Pump Pulley Howard, We use a SB Chevy unit on the 1600. You can get a alum one from local parts store or Summit part# SUM-G3963 ~$31. Big hole is OK, but will need to drill new holes for the pump flange. Can then also use std water pump spacer shims if needed. There is one for the short neck and one for the long neck SB pumps, this I think os for the short necks. Overall depth about 2.5-3", 6 or 6.5 inch diam. USes ~3/8" belt. Just talked to a local 2L roadster racer this weekend, he runs fine with a C&R radiator, stock pulley, says he never uses the fan. C&R wanted him to run stock pulley??? Some ducting in the grill to keep the air in. Steve Steve's Racing web site www.NoNameRacing.com Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society www.elrss.com -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard @ Everything Christmas Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:58 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley Hi All, Does anyone know where I can purchase a Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley. Preferably not for a Kings Randsom I need to slow down the water pump to try and get my engine cooler on a Solex Equipped U20 engine on my Race Car. I am already using a 4 core radiator and ducting to direct the air straight into the radiator. I need to pull the water temp back 20 degrees c or so. and this is one step.... ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 20:50:32 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'Gary McCormick'" , Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:47:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? I can tell you were never a hot-rodder or drag racer (not a criticism, just an observation). The basic GMC Rootes-type blower has been used for decades, and still is the dominant setup. Carbs or injectors are mounted on top of the blower. In the newer cars (okay, probably the last 20 years) there is multi-stage fuel injection, with the first stage being above the blower and the others plumbed into the intake manifold below it. Drag racing is all about excess, that's why I still find it fascinating. In a top-fuel engine making 8000 hp, it takes about 900 hp just to drive the blower. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary McCormick Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:38 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? Isn't this setup kinda backwards, i.e., isn't a supercharger usually upstream of the carburetor or fuel injection body, in order to pressurize the carb/FIB? I mean, that's why they call 'em blowers, isn't it? This looks like a suck (as opposed to blow) arrangement. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 22:05:22 2009 From: Gary McCormick To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "'Fergus P \(AS\)O'Farrell'" Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? I'm always willing to learn, which is why I love this list so much. Any question one asks will get good responses! I try to learn something new every day, and when it comes to things automotive, this is usually the place I learn it! Thanks for the info, Gordon. Gary McCormickSan Jose, Ca --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Gordon Glasgow wrote: From: Gordon Glasgow Subject: RE: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? To: "'Gary McCormick'" , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, "'Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell'" Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 7:47 PM I can tell you were never a hot-rodder or drag racer (not a criticism, just an observation). The basic GMC Rootes-type blower has been used for decades, and still is the dominant setup. Carbs or injectors are mounted on top of the blower. In the newer cars (okay, probably the last 20 years) there is multi-stage fuel injection, with the first stage being above the blower and the others plumbed into the intake manifold below it. Drag racing is all about excess, that's why I still find it fascinating. In a top-fuel engine making 8000 hp, it takes about 900 hp just to drive the blower. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary McCormick Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:38 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; Fergus P (AS)O'Farrell Subject: Re: [Roadsters] quirky supercharger set-up picture, R-16 option? Isn't this setup kinda backwards, i.e., isn't a supercharger usually upstream of the carburetor or fuel injection body, in order to pressurize the carb/FIB? I mean, that's why they call 'em blowers, isn't it? This looks like a suck (as opposed to blow) arrangement. Gary McCormick San Jose, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 06:11:08 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: pat@hornesystemstx.com, daveandlindab@comcast.net Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:10:51 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum up? The problem with E-85 and carbs is the effects of the alcohol on the aluminum. As long as the jets are available a regular carb can be jetted for E-85. Once jetted for E-85 it will be stupid rich if you put regular gas into it. I have considered setting up a pair of SUs for E-85 but that is another project I have not found time for. It should be simply a needle change or possible nozzle and needle. This could be a good choice for some of the stroker configurations that have quite high compression as the octane rating of E-85 is over 100. All that said, for some odd reason it is illegal to convert a gas car to E-85 for street use. Seems fairly silly to me. keith williams OT PS, The free feral cat clinic spayed and neutered 297 cats this month, the second highest ever after 305 two months ago. The group I am working with brought in 112, up from 67 last month. kw In a message dated 9/21/2009 4:51:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pat@hornesystemstx.com writes: Dave, My understanding is that E85 and Gasoline are so different in their requirements that the only way to use them on the same engine is to go with FI. I don't think I've ever heard of a carburetted engine being set for E85 even though there are some E75 carbs listed on the net. Peace, Pat Thusly spake dave, On 9/21/2009 5:47 PM: > Andy, That car is injected, correct? I was wondering if it' possible to > rejet carbs for E85 and gasoline, or are they that different you would need > to pick one. I don't think we have E85 in the Northeast anyway. > > Dave Brisco > ECR > > -----Original Message----- > From: Embarq Customer [mailto:andycost@embarqmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:13 PM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] What is in todays fuel that makes everything gum > up? > > I just swapped the Race car over to E85. It is 105 octane. It also cleans > everything spotless. > > Andy > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as pat@hornesystemstx.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > > > -- Pat Horne, Owner, Horne Systems (512) 797-7501 Voice 5026 FM 2001 Pat@HorneSystemsTx.com Lockhart, TX 78644-4443 www.hornesystemstx.com -- We support Habitat for Humanity - a hand UP, not a hand OUT -- You are subscribed as keith0alan@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 07:23:46 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:22:34 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad There are so many body mods in the pics in this ad that just seem to scream "STRANGE" that I won't begin to comment. (tailites, wing, body kit, rear window metal flashing) Looks like a 350 requires a lot of firewall cutting, which is no surprise. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1386298483.html ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 07:51:16 2009 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P \(AS\)'" , Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:50:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Firewall, what firewall? Might be fun to run once or twice down the drag strip. Kind of like a moped; fun to ride, but you wouldn't want your friends to see you on it! Almost looks like a Mustang II Cobra prototype. -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus P There are so many body mods in the pics in this ad that just seem to scream "STRANGE" that I won't begin to comment. (tailites, wing, body kit, rear window metal flashing) Looks like a 350 requires a lot of firewall cutting, which is no surprise. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1386298483.html ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 09:09:58 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P \(AS\)'" , Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:09:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:23 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad There are so many body mods in the pics in this ad that just seem to scream "STRANGE" that I won't begin to comment. (tailites, wing, body kit, rear window metal flashing) Looks like a 350 requires a lot of firewall cutting, which is no surprise. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1386298483.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 09:23:34 2009 From: Eddie To: Gordon Glasgow Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:22:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Come on! That thing is AWESOME! I totally want that car. It will make up for my small... ahem, well, you know.... LOL Eddie Gordon Glasgow wrote: > I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta > say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. > > Gordon Glasgow > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of O'Farrell, > Fergus P (AS) > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:23 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > > There are so many body mods in the pics in this ad that just seem to > scream "STRANGE" that I won't begin to comment. > (tailites, wing, body kit, rear window metal flashing) > > Looks like a 350 requires a lot of firewall cutting, which is no > surprise. > > http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1386298483.html > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as eddietude@socal.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 09:50:54 2009 From: Gary McCormick To: " Fergus P \(AS\)''O'Farrell" , Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Looks like someone has been reading too many Japanese comics... ;^) Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Gordon Glasgow wrote: From: Gordon Glasgow Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)'" , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:09 AM I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:23 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad There are so many body mods in the pics in this ad that just seem to scream "STRANGE" that I won't begin to comment. (tailites, wing, body kit, rear window metal flashing) Looks like a 350 requires a lot of firewall cutting, which is no surprise. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1386298483.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as gkmcc@sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 09:55:51 2009 From: RWM To: Gary McCormick Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:55:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Exactly. This is "Son of Rodan" styling, par excellence. Gary McCormick wrote: > Looks like someone has been reading too many Japanese comics... ;^) > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Gordon Glasgow wrote: > > From: Gordon Glasgow > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)'" , > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:09 AM > > I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta > say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. > > Gordon Glasgow > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of O'Farrell, > Fergus P (AS) > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:23 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > > There are so many body mods in the pics in this ad that just seem to > scream "STRANGE" that I won't begin to comment. > (tailites, wing, body kit, rear window metal flashing) > > Looks like a 350 requires a lot of firewall cutting, which is no > surprise. > > http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1386298483.html ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 10:35:42 2009 From: Scott Ulrich To: "datsun-roadsters: autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:27:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad That's not styling, that pure craftsmanship! The side pipes are just for show. Most of the exhaust exits via leaks around the headers and manifold. Hey, c'mon. The owner could be a list member. Anyone care to get outed? On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:55 AM, RWM wrote: > Exactly. This is "Son of Rodan" styling, par excellence. > > > Gary McCormick wrote: > >> Looks like someone has been reading too many Japanese comics... ;^) >> >> Gary McCormick >> San Jose, CA >> >> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Gordon Glasgow wrote: >> >> From: Gordon Glasgow >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad >> To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)'" , >> datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:09 AM >> >> I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta >> say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. >> >> Gordon Glasgow ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 11:22:27 2009 From: Dan Kroninger To: Datsun Mailing List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Looks to me like they were going for the Cobra look. Unfortunately it looks more like a Nash to me, at least from the front. I can almost smell the exhaust leaks from here. Dan > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:27:22 -0700 > From: scott8933@socal.rr.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > > That's not styling, that pure craftsmanship! > > The side pipes are just for show. Most of the exhaust exits via leaks around > the headers and manifold. > Hey, c'mon. The owner could be a list member. Anyone care to get outed? > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:55 AM, RWM wrote: > > > Exactly. This is "Son of Rodan" styling, par excellence. > > > > > > Gary McCormick wrote: > > > >> Looks like someone has been reading too many Japanese comics... ;^) > >> > >> Gary McCormick > >> San Jose, CA > >> > >> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Gordon Glasgow wrote: > >> > >> From: Gordon Glasgow > >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > >> To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)'" , > >> datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:09 AM > >> > >> I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta > >> say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. > >> > >> Gordon Glasgow _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 11:56:44 2009 From: steven boortz To: Dan Kroninger , Datsun Mailing List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: strange body mods, Sacto CL ad why do these swaps, more often than not, use automatics? s 675MIZU ________________________________ From: Dan Kroninger To: Datsun Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:20:22 AM Subject: [Roadsters] FW: strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Looks to me like they were going for the Cobra look. Unfortunately it looks more like a Nash to me, at least from the front. I can almost smell the exhaust leaks from here. Dan > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:27:22 -0700 > From: scott8933@socal.rr.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > > That's not styling, that pure craftsmanship! > > The side pipes are just for show. Most of the exhaust exits via leaks around > the headers and manifold. > Hey, c'mon. The owner could be a list member. Anyone care to get outed? > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:55 AM, RWM wrote: > > > Exactly. This is "Son of Rodan" styling, par excellence. > > > > > > Gary McCormick wrote: > > > >> Looks like someone has been reading too many Japanese comics... ;^) > >> > >> Gary McCormick > >> San Jose, CA > >> > >> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Gordon Glasgow wrote: > >> > >> From: Gordon Glasgow > >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > >> To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)'" , > >> datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:09 AM > >> > >> I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta > >> say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. > >> > >> Gordon Glasgow _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 12:23:02 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'steven boortz'" , "'Dan Kroninger'" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:12:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Sometimes it's because the big bellhousing makes it necessary to offset the pedals to the left, leaving little room for the clutch pedal. Besides, the new automatics they run in hot rods and drag cars are much better than the old ones and can shift faster than a stick. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steven boortz Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:56 AM To: Dan Kroninger; Datsun Mailing List Subject: Re: [Roadsters] FW: strange body mods, Sacto CL ad why do these swaps, more often than not, use automatics? s 675MIZU ________________________________ From: Dan Kroninger To: Datsun Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:20:22 AM Subject: [Roadsters] FW: strange body mods, Sacto CL ad Looks to me like they were going for the Cobra look. Unfortunately it looks more like a Nash to me, at least from the front. I can almost smell the exhaust leaks from here. Dan > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:27:22 -0700 > From: scott8933@socal.rr.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > > That's not styling, that pure craftsmanship! > > The side pipes are just for show. Most of the exhaust exits via leaks around > the headers and manifold. > Hey, c'mon. The owner could be a list member. Anyone care to get outed? > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:55 AM, RWM wrote: > > > Exactly. This is "Son of Rodan" styling, par excellence. > > > > > > Gary McCormick wrote: > > > >> Looks like someone has been reading too many Japanese comics... ;^) > >> > >> Gary McCormick > >> San Jose, CA > >> > >> --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Gordon Glasgow wrote: > >> > >> From: Gordon Glasgow > >> Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad > >> To: "'O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)'" , > >> datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > >> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:09 AM > >> > >> I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta > >> say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. > >> > >> Gordon Glasgow _________________________________________________________________ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail.. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori a l_QuickAdd_062009 You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 13:52:47 2009 From: Gary and Cindy Ault To: Gordon Glasgow , "O'Farrell, Fergus P \(AS\)" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad What he said. Gary ________________________________ From: Gordon Glasgow To: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" ; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:09:36 AM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad I don't normally criticize what other people do to their cars, but I gotta say that is the most hideous mod I have ever seen on a roadster. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS) Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:23 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] strange body mods, Sacto CL ad There are so many body mods in the pics in this ad that just seem to scream "STRANGE" that I won't begin to comment. (tailites, wing, body kit, rear window metal flashing) Looks like a 350 requires a lot of firewall cutting, which is no surprise. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/1386298483.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as aultgc@att.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 14:22:26 2009 From: "Gregory S. Morrison" To: Datsun Mailing List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:20:01 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters Maybe that one could lead off a new thread of Odd Looking Roadster pictures. We already have the Cobra/Nash/? Roadster. Now we need a Roadster camper and a stretched Roadster limousine, with a hot tub. Any Roadster dragsters with rails and chutes out there? Roadster pickups anyone? The possibilities are without limit. Of course this is coming from a guy that considers an after-market shift knob a MAJOR modification. ;-) Have fun out there, Greg SRL31100494 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 14:36:50 2009 From: Dan Kroninger To: Datsun Mailing List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:28:21 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: Odd Looking Roadsters Can't for get the lifted Datsun roadster mudder. > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:20:01 -0700 > From: gsm@gregorysmorrison.com > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters > > Maybe that one could lead off a new thread of Odd Looking Roadster pictures. > We already have the Cobra/Nash/? Roadster. Now we need a Roadster camper and > a stretched Roadster limousine, with a hot tub. Any Roadster dragsters with > rails and chutes out there? Roadster pickups anyone? The possibilities are > without limit. Of course this is coming from a guy that considers an > after-market shift knob a MAJOR modification. ;-) > > Have fun out there, > Greg > SRL31100494 _________________________________________________________________ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 14:52:00 2009 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:45:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters > ...Now we need a Roadster camper and a stretched Roadster limousine Back in 2000 Fred Katz created the 4 door suicide stretch edition: Fred, are you up for making a pop-top camper edition? :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 15:07:35 2009 From: nmleeds@mindspring.com To: Datsun Mailing List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:04:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Roadsters] OT: EFI, Temp / Atmospheric Pressure Controls All, I was just pondering (rather than putting the head back on my Datsun) and wondering, how do EFI systems compensate for fuel tempurature and atmospheric pressure. Both should change the volume of the fuel relative to air mass and change the mixture. Is there an adjustment, or does it not matter that much? Nathaniel ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 15:22:25 2009 From: Herb Petty To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Friends Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folks. Besides, we're here to be friends !! This is what makes us so great, the car isn't important friends are !! Herb Petty from Modesto Ca. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 15:22:41 2009 From: Gary McCormick To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, John F Sandhoff Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters With killer doors, no less! Isn't Photoshop wonderful? Gary McCormick San Jose, CA --- On Tue, 9/22/09, John F Sandhoff wrote: From: John F Sandhoff Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:45 PM > ...Now we need a Roadster camper and a stretched Roadster limousine Back in 2000 Fred Katz created the 4 door suicide stretch edition: Fred, are you up for making a pop-top camper edition? :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA You are subscribed as gkmcc@sbcglobal.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 15:52:00 2009 From: Gary Boone To: nmleeds@mindspring.com, Datsun Mailing List Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: EFI, Temp / Atmospheric Pressure Controls I'm not aware that any EFI systems compensate for fuel temperature. Most do however, have an IAT sensor (intake air temperature). They also compensate for atmospheric pressure with a MAP sensor (manifold absolute pressure) or a MAF sensor (mass air flow). Gary From: "nmleeds@mindspring.com" To: Datsun Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:04:30 PM Subject: [Roadsters] OT: EFI, Temp / Atmospheric Pressure Controls All, I was just pondering (rather than putting the head back on my Datsun) and wondering, how do EFI systems compensate for fuel tempurature and atmospheric pressure. Both should change the volume of the fuel relative to air mass and change the mixture. Is there an adjustment, or does it not matter that much? Nathaniel ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 15:52:44 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'Herb Petty'" , Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:51:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Friends I absolutely agree with Herb. If the owner of that swap feels great driving around in it, more power to him. But I still hafta just shake my head and quote Dr. Phil - "What were you thinkin'?" Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Herb Petty Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:18 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] Friends Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folks. Besides, we're here to be friends !! This is what makes us so great, the car isn't important friends are !! Herb Petty from Modesto Ca. Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 16:06:34 2009 From: "Paul" <9laser3@bright.net> To: "'John F Sandhoff'" , Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:58:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters I was hoping somebody had saved Fred's 2+2. I'd love to see a roadster wagon. Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John F Sandhoff Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:46 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters > ...Now we need a Roadster camper and a stretched Roadster limousine Back in 2000 Fred Katz created the 4 door suicide stretch edition: Fred, are you up for making a pop-top camper edition? :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA You are subscribed as 9laser3@bright.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 16:08:20 2009 From: Eric Gillis To: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:06:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Friends Listers- Ditto that from Herb and Gordon, but does this mean I keep plans for a CJ5/Roadster (not mudder, just 4wd) to myself? We coulda' used one on our Minden run last weekend in places... Eric ps, I thought that Katz's creation was real and not p'shopped. And anyone worried about that aftermarket Empi steering wheel not being 'correct' can ship it to me, I will reimburse your shipping and even give you $20 for it ;) > From: gsglasgow@comcast.net > To: haabu@sbcglobal.net; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:51:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Friends > > I absolutely agree with Herb. If the owner of that swap feels great driving > around in it, more power to him. > > But I still hafta just shake my head and quote Dr. Phil - "What were you > thinkin'?" > > Gordon Glasgow > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Herb Petty > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:18 PM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Friends > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folks. Besides, we're here to > be friends !! > > This is what makes us so great, the car isn't important friends are > !! > > Herb Petty from Modesto Ca. > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mkiisupra@hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 16:21:35 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'Paul'" <9laser3@bright.net>, "'John F Sandhoff'" Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:12:30 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters Sorta like a Volvo P1800ES or an MGB/GT, right? I could see that. The angle of the rear panel would probably work well for that. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:59 PM To: 'John F Sandhoff'; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters I was hoping somebody had saved Fred's 2+2. I'd love to see a roadster wagon. Paul Ohio -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John F Sandhoff Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:46 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters > ...Now we need a Roadster camper and a stretched Roadster limousine Back in 2000 Fred Katz created the 4 door suicide stretch edition: Fred, are you up for making a pop-top camper edition? :-) -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA You are subscribed as 9laser3@bright.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 16:21:53 2009 From: "Gordon Glasgow" To: "'Eric Gillis'" , Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:14:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Friends Once in Grants Pass, OR, I saw a Nash Metropolitan body on a Jeep chassis. It was great! It just made you smile. Gordon Glasgow -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Gillis Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06 PM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Friends Listers- Ditto that from Herb and Gordon, but does this mean I keep plans for a CJ5/Roadster (not mudder, just 4wd) to myself? We coulda' used one on our Minden run last weekend in places... Eric ps, I thought that Katz's creation was real and not p'shopped. And anyone worried about that aftermarket Empi steering wheel not being 'correct' can ship it to me, I will reimburse your shipping and even give you $20 for it ;) > From: gsglasgow@comcast.net > To: haabu@sbcglobal.net; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:51:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Friends > > I absolutely agree with Herb. If the owner of that swap feels great driving > around in it, more power to him. > > But I still hafta just shake my head and quote Dr. Phil - "What were you > thinkin'?" > > Gordon Glasgow > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Herb Petty > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:18 PM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Friends > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder folks. Besides, we're here to > be friends !! > > This is what makes us so great, the car isn't important friends are > !! > > Herb Petty from Modesto Ca. > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mkiisupra@hotmail.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 16:27:17 2009 From: chalsted@comcast.net To: Eric Gillis Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Friends now CJ5 conversion if I recall correctly, there's less than an inch different in the wheelbases... don't ask me why I would knowB ;-) Craig ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 19:38:13 2009 From: Eddie To: Gary McCormick Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:31:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters There is something about that 4 door that looks kind of cool actually.... Eddie Gary McCormick wrote: > With killer doors, no less! > > Isn't Photoshop wonderful? > > Gary McCormick > San Jose, CA > > --- On Tue, 9/22/09, John F Sandhoff wrote: > > From: John F Sandhoff > Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Odd Looking Roadsters > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:45 PM > > >> ...Now we need a Roadster camper and a stretched Roadster limousine >> > > Back in 2000 Fred Katz created the 4 door suicide stretch edition: > > > > Fred, are you up for making a pop-top camper edition? :-) > > -- John > John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA > You are subscribed as gkmcc@sbcglobal.net > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as eddietude@socal.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 22 22:55:05 2009 From: "Howard @ Everything Christmas" To: "Steve Jacobson" , Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:54:36 +1000 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Water Pump Pulley Thanks Steve, Will look at that chev unit. 6.5 inches looks good. The amount of power that your friend's engine is using and the length of events are also variables, I dont have problems at lower revs or on a Dyno. Also thanks to all who answered direct to my email. Best Regards, Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Water Pump Pulley > Howard, > We use a SB Chevy unit on the 1600. You can get a alum one from local > parts > store or Summit part# SUM-G3963 ~$31. Big hole is OK, but will need to > drill > new holes for the pump flange. Can then also use std water pump spacer > shims > if needed. There is one for the short neck and one for the long neck SB > pumps, this I think os for the short necks. Overall depth about 2.5-3", 6 > or > 6.5 inch diam. USes ~3/8" belt. > > Just talked to a local 2L roadster racer this weekend, he runs fine with a > C&R > radiator, stock pulley, says he never uses the fan. C&R wanted him to run > stock pulley??? Some ducting in the grill to keep the air in. > > > Steve > > > Steve's Racing web site > > www.NoNameRacing.com > > Elkhart Lake Racing & Sipping Society > > www.elrss.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard @ > Everything Christmas > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:58 AM > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know where I can purchase a Large Diameter Water Pump Pulley. > Preferably not for a Kings Randsom > > I need to slow down the water pump to try and get my engine cooler on a > Solex > Equipped U20 engine on my Race Car. > I am already using a 4 core radiator and ducting to direct the air > straight > into the radiator. I need to pull the water temp back 20 degrees c or so. > and > this is one step.... ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 06:09:26 2009 From: Keith0alan@aol.com To: gboone70@yahoo.com, nmleeds@mindspring.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:07:22 EDT Subject: Re: [Roadsters] OT: EFI, Temp / Atmospheric Pressure Controls I don't think it matters enough. The modern FI is a closed loop system using the oxygen sensor to measure the exhaust gases. As long as the various sensors are close enough to get the system to capture and go closed loop it will work fine. The problem you have is when a sensor goes bad and the O2 circuit does not have enough authority to compensate. Then you run chronically rich or lean and the "check engine" light comes on. Checking the fuel temp would be fairly easy and if you were running an open loop system you might want to. The later British SU carbs did actually measure fuel temp and compensate. keith williams In a message dated 9/22/2009 2:52:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gboone70@yahoo.com writes: I'm not aware that any EFI systems compensate for fuel temperature. Most do however, have an IAT sensor (intake air temperature). They also compensate for atmospheric pressure with a MAP sensor (manifold absolute pressure) or a MAF sensor (mass air flow). Gary From: "nmleeds@mindspring.com" To: Datsun Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:04:30 PM Subject: [Roadsters] OT: EFI, Temp / Atmospheric Pressure Controls All, I was just pondering (rather than putting the head back on my Datsun) and wondering, how do EFI systems compensate for fuel tempurature and atmospheric pressure. Both should change the volume of the fuel relative to air mass and change the mixture. Is there an adjustment, or does it not matter that much? Nathaniel You are subscribed as keith0alan@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 08:23:56 2009 From: Eric Hoffman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] o/t san joaquin valley Please forgive the off topic, I know a lot of you guys are in S. California and I was wondering your opinion of the self inflicted drought in the name of saving the two inch Delta Smelt. Apparently the water is now diverted to the sea, farmers are going under, and produce is going up. Just wondering what's the deal. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 08:27:44 2009 From: Eddie To: Eric Hoffman Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:27:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] o/t san joaquin valley We don't have a "water shortage" problem. We have a "water mismanagement problem". The amount of water that is wasted by diverting it into rivers that then lead to the ocean is astounding. Furthermore, the amount of water we waste AND pollute by using it just to flush our toilets is criminal. Some day, we may look at all flush toilets the way we used to look at the old style flush johns that used 10 gallons per flush. Stupid and wasteful. There are better ways, more environmentally responsible ways to dispose of human waste... Don't even get me started.... Eddie Eric Hoffman wrote: > Please forgive the off topic, I know a lot of you guys are in S. California > and I was wondering your opinion of the self inflicted drought in the name of > saving the two inch Delta Smelt. Apparently the water is now diverted to the > sea, farmers are going under, and produce is going up. Just wondering what's > the deal. > ________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as eddietude@socal.rr.com > > Datsun-roadsters mailing list > > http://www.team.net/archive > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 08:53:51 2009 From: Eric Hoffman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] california water I'm all for efficient sewage disposall, I am wondering why there is not more opinion among Californians that farmers and crops are more important than a two inch fish. I'm trying to understand what is going through the minds of lawmakers. Again, the water is not conserved it's being sent to the sea. Anyone? ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 08:54:04 2009 From: steven boortz To: Eric Hoffman , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Roadsters] o/t san joaquin valley how can a drought be "self inflicted?" the diversion of the water is a separate issue from whether it rains, IMHO. s 675MIZU ________________________________ From: Eric Hoffman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:23:17 AM Subject: [Roadsters] o/t san joaquin valley Please forgive the off topic, I know a lot of you guys are in S. California and I was wondering your opinion of the self inflicted drought in the name of saving the two inch Delta Smelt. Apparently the water is now diverted to the sea, farmers are going under, and produce is going up. Just wondering what's the deal. You are subscribed as vociferouschicanery@yahoo.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 09:08:34 2009 From: Eric Hoffman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] slef inflicted question What I just read is that water formerly diverted to the valley for crops is now being sent to the sea in an effort to save an endangered two inch fish. Thats the self inflicted part. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 09:14:31 2009 From: "Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED10)" To: Eric Hoffman , Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:12:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] california water I saw a report that said the reason the salmon population had tanked was because the fish was not getting to the sea for the salmon to feed on - so the water is dumped into the sea vs used to water crops. I personally don't think this argument holds - it takes more than these few cannels of water and the related little fish to sustain the salmon population. Looks like a way to 'point' away from the issue/bad decision. Phil Hall NASA/MSFC/ED10 Systems Engineering work : 256-544-2525 cell: 256-975-6385 -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] california water I'm all for efficient sewage disposall, I am wondering why there is not more opinion among Californians that farmers and crops are more important than a two inch fish. I'm trying to understand what is going through the minds of lawmakers. Again, the water is not conserved it's being sent to the sea. Anyone? You are subscribed as phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 09:39:14 2009 From: Tim To: "Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED10)" , Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:37:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] california water I am far from an expert here, but, having grown up in Northern CA, I can accurately say that poor snow fall amounts and poor snow quality (ie water content) in the Sierras have one of the biggest effects on the southern ca water situation. Why didn't the powers that be make that two different states way back when. That is a whole other argument. Can we get back to Roadster content now please?!! Tim ---- "Hall wrote: ============= I saw a report that said the reason the salmon population had tanked was because the fish was not getting to the sea for the salmon to feed on - so the water is dumped into the sea vs used to water crops. I personally don't think this argument holds - it takes more than these few cannels of water and the related little fish to sustain the salmon population. Looks like a way to 'point' away from the issue/bad decision. Phil Hall NASA/MSFC/ED10 Systems Engineering work : 256-544-2525 cell: 256-975-6385 -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] california water I'm all for efficient sewage disposall, I am wondering why there is not more opinion among Californians that farmers and crops are more important than a two inch fish. I'm trying to understand what is going through the minds of lawmakers. Again, the water is not conserved it's being sent to the sea. Anyone? You are subscribed as phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 09:55:12 2009 From: "May, Frank" To: Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:53:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] california water There's "off topic" and then again, there's OFF TOPIC (can you smell SPAM?)........ I agree with Tim.....back to roadster content.... Frank ________________________________ From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net on behalf of Tim Sent: Wed 9/23/2009 10:37 AM To: Hall, Phillip B. (MSFC-ED10); datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net; Eric Hoffman Subject: Re: [Roadsters] california water I am far from an expert here, but, having grown up in Northern CA, I can accurately say that poor snow fall amounts and poor snow quality (ie water content) in the Sierras have one of the biggest effects on the southern ca water situation. Why didn't the powers that be make that two different states way back when. That is a whole other argument. Can we get back to Roadster content now please?!! Tim ---- "Hall wrote: ============= I saw a report that said the reason the salmon population had tanked was because the fish was not getting to the sea for the salmon to feed on - so the water is dumped into the sea vs used to water crops. I personally don't think this argument holds - it takes more than these few cannels of water and the related little fish to sustain the salmon population. Looks like a way to 'point' away from the issue/bad decision. Phil Hall NASA/MSFC/ED10 Systems Engineering work : 256-544-2525 cell: 256-975-6385 -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eric Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54 AM To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: [Roadsters] california water I'm all for efficient sewage disposall, I am wondering why there is not more opinion among Californians that farmers and crops are more important than a two inch fish. I'm trying to understand what is going through the minds of lawmakers. Again, the water is not conserved it's being sent to the sea. Anyone? You are subscribed as phillip.b.hall@nasa.gov Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as tputland@charter.net Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as frank.l.may@umsl.edu Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 10:07:41 2009 From: "John F Sandhoff" To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:59:59 -0700 Subject: [Roadsters] Water wars: back on track, please... As is true of so many things, water management issues are complex and tossing out 'sound bites' unfairly minimalizes the difficult decisions involved. That said, can we back away from this decidedly non-Roadster issue? Thank you, -- John John F Sandhoff sandhoff@csus.edu Sacramento, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 10:08:03 2009 From: nmleeds@mindspring.com To: Eric Hoffman , datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:07:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Roadsters] OT: California Water Management The question is why water is being flushed out to sea and what that has to do with saving fish. I worked -- very briefly -- with some of these regulations and can explain a little bit. The problem is water flows and tempurature. Fast, deep water is cooler than slow shallow water (simple physics: more surface area and more time in the sun, and water heats up). Many fish are very sensitive to these tempuratures. Unfortunately,during hot times in year, the fish need good flows so they don't get cooked in the streamsl at the same time farmers want to take as much water out of the streams as they can to water their crops so they don't bake and dry in the sun. Historically part of this problem could be solved through electricity generation -- when you run the dams, you release water. But, there's not always enough water in the dams to cool the rivers and you reach an impass. I would be careful about being too dismissive of the role that really small fish (the ones must likely to get cooked) play in the ecosystem. There are a lot of really small animals that are really really important for the health of the entire enviroment -- and our economy. (Anyone in the central valley can appreciate the importance of bees, and the concerns about colony collapse.) Also, delta smelt tend to be a pretty good proxy of for the health of the delta as a whole. When the delta is messed up, we don't get salmon in the ocean . . . So there's my two cents. Difficult problem. I'm pretty conservative when it comes to this stuff so I generally favor keeping the enviroment intact, but I can see the other view. I understand that others aren't as conservative. -----Original Message----- >From: Eric Hoffman >Sent: Sep 23, 2009 7:53 AM >To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net >Subject: [Roadsters] california water > >I'm all for efficient sewage disposall, I am wondering why there is not more >opinion among Californians that farmers and crops are more important than a >two inch fish. I'm trying to understand what is going through the minds of >lawmakers. Again, the water is not conserved it's being sent to the sea. >Anyone? >________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as nmleeds@mindspring.com > >Datsun-roadsters mailing list > >http://www.team.net/archive > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 10:23:08 2009 From: Eric Hoffman To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] my appolgies for o/t but this aint spam just wanted to hear from Californians. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 10:41:19 2009 From: Jeff Torres To: Datsun Roadster Mail Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay Warning!!! To all, I was just cruising Ebay and I noticed a guy from India selling copies of my Datsun Roadster Grille Badge for $20 plus $13 for shipping from India. I guess I can do nothing about this, but I do know that they are cheap copies and nowhere near the quality of my personal badges. Soooo..if you order one and get crap..It wasn't from me. I was looking into a supplier for my badges about a year ago and sent this guy a copy for a mold. He sent me back his best prototype offer which was junk and I guess has decided now to market these. Anyway, just wanted to let everyone know that it is NOT a "Roadster Collectible" badge and to please not bash my company if you do get it and find that it is far less in qaulity. Isn't it sad that pathetic people have to leach other peoples ideas because they have no imagination and ingenuity of their own, and ruin it for others? Jeff Torres '66 1600 Lemoore, CA ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 10:52:28 2009 From: chalsted@comcast.net To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Roadsters] factory radio delete panel 68-70 was wondering if anyone has everB come acrossB a factory radio delete panel for the 68 to 70 roadsters... I have one here but it's the only one I've ever seen... I thought about e-baying it but figure it wouldn't bring crap and might just as well keep it as a conversation piece Craig ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 11:22:49 2009 From: Dan Kroninger To: Datsun Mailing List Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:22:19 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] FW: factory radio delete panel 68-70 Craig, That is really ironic. I was just looking at the owners manual for the 68 1600 today on the 311s site and noticed that the radio was an optional item, and I was wondering what they did in place of the radio. I guess that answers that question. I don't know if it would be worth a lot of money of not, but I imagine that it is one of the more rare things to find on a stock roadster. It is pretty cool that you happen to have one. Dan > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:46:22 +0000 > From: chalsted@comcast.net > To: datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > Subject: [Roadsters] factory radio delete panel 68-70 > > was wondering if anyone has everB come acrossB a factory radio delete panel > for the 68 to 70 roadsters... I have one here but it's the only one I've ever > seen... I thought about e-baying it but figure it wouldn't bring crap and > might just as well keep it as a conversation piece > > Craig _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_M LOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1 ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 11:52:24 2009 From: tminerpcav@aol.com To: jeffzster@yahoo.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:43:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay Warning!!! GREAT!? Now, what am I to do with the 1,000 pieces I ordered? Tim Miner -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Torres To: Datsun Roadster Mail Sent: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:41 am Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay Warning!!! To all, I was just cruising Ebay and I noticed a guy from India selling copies of my Datsun Roadster Grille Badge for $20 plus $13 for shipping from India. I guess I can do nothing about this, but I do know that they are cheap copies and nowhere near the quality of my personal badges. Soooo..if you order one and get crap..It wasn't from me. I was looking into a supplier for my badges about a year ago and sent this guy a copy for a mold. He sent me back his best prototype offer which was junk and I guess has decided now to market these. Anyway, just wanted to let everyone know that it is NOT a "Roadster Collectible" badge and to please not bash my company if you do get it and find that it is far less in qaulity. Isn't it sad that pathetic people have to leach other peoples ideas because they have no imagination and ingenuity of their own, and ruin it for others? Jeff Torres '66 1600 Lemoore, CA You are subscribed as tminerpcav@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 12:26:19 2009 From: "Joe Kinstle" To: , , Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:10:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay Warning!!! Sell 'em on ebay Joe Kinstle '68 2L -----Original Message----- From: datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tminerpcav@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:43 AM To: jeffzster@yahoo.com; datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay Warning!!! GREAT!? Now, what am I to do with the 1,000 pieces I ordered? Tim Miner -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Torres To: Datsun Roadster Mail Sent: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:41 am Subject: [Roadsters] Ebay Warning!!! To all, I was just cruising Ebay and I noticed a guy from India selling copies of my Datsun Roadster Grille Badge for $20 plus $13 for shipping from India. I guess I can do nothing about this, but I do know that they are cheap copies and nowhere near the quality of my personal badges. Soooo..if you order one and get crap..It wasn't from me. I was looking into a supplier for my badges about a year ago and sent this guy a copy for a mold. He sent me back his best prototype offer which was junk and I guess has decided now to market these. Anyway, just wanted to let everyone know that it is NOT a "Roadster Collectible" badge and to please not bash my company if you do get it and find that it is far less in qaulity. Isn't it sad that pathetic people have to leach other peoples ideas because they have no imagination and ingenuity of their own, and ruin it for others? Jeff Torres '66 1600 Lemoore, CA You are subscribed as tminerpcav@aol.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters You are subscribed as joek@camberconstruction.com Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 12:27:46 2009 From: "O'Farrell, Fergus P (AS)" To: , Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:22:21 -0500 Subject: [Roadsters] the 1000 pieces Tim, I see two solutions to your 1000 pcs of crappy badges. 1. Hot glue gun, and cover my whole car with them, making it an art car but worsening the appearance only slightly. 2. The same hot glue gun, make a dam, impede water flow somewhere, and save some California smelt. ________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Datsun-roadsters mailing list http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/datsun-roadsters From datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 23 12:28:06 2009 From: Tim To: tminerpcav@aol.com, datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net, jeffzster@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:27:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Roadsters] Ebay Warning!!! Stick them on the shop floor with an epoxy coating? That would make a cool shop floor! Tim ---- tminerpcav@aol.com wrote: ============= GREAT!? Now, what am I to do with the 1,000 pieces I ordered? Tim Miner -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Torres To: Datsun Roadster Mail Sent: Wed, Sep 23, 2009 9:41 am Subjec