From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 03:14:46 2012 From: To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 04:48:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM All this chatter about vacuum systems got me thinking. Obviously, the system relies on having a closed crankcase. My crankcase vents to my catch tank. I have two lines to the catch tank, one from the fuel pump blank on the block, the other to the rocker cover. Most setups I see are quite similar. Are you guys running the vacuum systems running a similar catch tank setup, but without the vent? Another thought, while I have witnessed race cars with vacuum systems that were remarkedly free of oil drips, I have also seen cars with vacuum systems that leak just as bad or worse than typical. I believe a vacuum system will make a good, tight engine surprisingly dry, but can't overcome any significant issues with a shoddy build. If the system can't pull a vacuum because of leaks, it's not going to do much. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 03:43:59 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:22:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM After getting sick over these catch tank solution and this oil steam which dirt's the engine bay I moved on the vacuum system last year. Good: - It does work - clean engine bay - less leaks Bad: - vent valve failed twice I'm working on a serviceable valve which I can repair in a quick manner. Don't be afraid of a sellable solution....I just show how and you can make your valve yourself :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von sherry robyn Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 01:53 An: n197tr4@cs.com; mike.mehl@yahoo.com; toodamnfunky@comcast.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Hi, Can't get your second photo reference to come up on a search and can't tell enough by the other. Can you explain a little on what goes from where to where. I am trying to decide on some engine venting (TR6) right now. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 06:43:10 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: tr4racing@googlemail.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:18:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Seems like we are asking more and more from these engines and are using lubricants that find their way out of every seam and orifice. My choice is the best possible sealing and a vacuum system. This includes the viton seal and a reliable vacuum system. Once in awhile I have to explain the vacuum system to a curious tech inspector, but the choice between oil on the track and keeping it in the engine is an easy one. Technical articles indicate that a vacuum system settles down the turbulence in the engine and improves ring sealing. There doesnt seem to be any downside. Kas addresses wet sleeve engine oil leaks in his newest book, KAS KASTNERS TRIUMPHs, in a very comprehensive chapter. Right now he offering free shipping. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:44 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM After getting sick over these catch tank solution and this oil steam which dirt's the engine bay I moved on the vacuum system last year. Good: - It does work - clean engine bay - less leaks Bad: - vent valve failed twice I'm working on a serviceable valve which I can repair in a quick manner. Don't be afraid of a sellable solution....I just show how and you can make your valve yourself :-) Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von sherry robyn Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 01:53 An: n197tr4@cs.com; mike.mehl@yahoo.com; toodamnfunky@comcast.net Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Hi, Can't get your second photo reference to come up on a search and can't tell enough by the other. Can you explain a little on what goes from where to where. I am trying to decide on some engine venting (TR6) right now. Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 07:02:32 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: tr3driver@ca.rr.com, sherryjimmy6116@att.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:26:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM nicely done Randall.....thanks. note: some suppliers have added a 'V' notch in the 45 degree angle tube making it resemble a kid's whistle. intuitively this makes sense in increasing the efficiency of the air flow. i assume some form of testing was done or it is a principle. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'sherry robyn' Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 8:43 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I'm not Joe, but maybe I can help out. Here is the other photo, which pretty much shows the entire system: http://goo.gl/AZ9W6 The orange hose is high-temperature silicone, connected to the original (?) vent at the rocker cover and to a reed valve (aka check valve) that is welded into the exhaust header with the end protruding into the exhaust flow and the cut side facing downstream. The original road draft tube (if you had one) is blanked off, as well as any other openings into the crankcase (like the fill cap on my TR3). The concept is that every exhaust pulse (cylinder firing) sucks air out of the tube. When it does, the reed valve opens and sucks air from the silicone tube. Thereby pulling a modest vacuum on the crankcase, which in turn helps pull oil back through the rear main seal. The big advantage, as I see it, is that the exhaust pulses get stronger at full throttle, while the intake manifold vacuum (for the original PCV system on later TRs) goes away entirely at full throttle. This avoids the buildup of pressure in the crankcase caused by the factory PCV systems, which tends to blow oil out past the rear main seal (and everywhere else). Here's a typical kit: http://goo.gl/qfEsq -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 07:30:53 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: yellow04@tr4racer.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:03:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Good Morning Henry, Seems like you draw attention to an important issue about a 'closed system' relative to the use of the vacuum system. (yes we run a closed system) What do mean by a shoddy build? Sealing all the gasket points and neoprene/viton seals properly? i suspect the felt rope seal is one of the worst offenders. without the felt seal in place you can place a flashlight behind the bearing block and see lots of light. Murphy bangs away with a special tool until the FELT actually extrudes from the block....and doesnt seem to have a problem. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:15 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM All this chatter about vacuum systems got me thinking. Obviously, the system relies on having a closed crankcase. My crankcase vents to my catch tank. I have two lines to the catch tank, one from the fuel pump blank on the block, the other to the rocker cover. Most setups I see are quite similar. Are you guys running the vacuum systems running a similar catch tank setup, but without the vent? Another thought, while I have witnessed race cars with vacuum systems that were remarkedly free of oil drips, I have also seen cars with vacuum systems that leak just as bad or worse than typical. I believe a vacuum system will make a good, tight engine surprisingly dry, but can't overcome any significant issues with a shoddy build. If the system can't pull a vacuum because of leaks, it's not going to do much. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 07:32:01 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 15:04:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM BTW....a special hose is not needed. Normal oil resistant hose is okay and doing well. Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 07:45:03 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: trmarty@hotmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:30:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Another Special Something For The Mitty ! Very Cool! A major contribution by Mr. Jackson at the time. Jan had one on and Richard Taylor thought it was real. Thought it was inconsistent with being a proper school marm. But the FOT does have a wild side...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 6:57 pm Subject: [Fot] Another Special Something For The Mitty ! Not only is it the 60th anniversary of Triumph and 50th anniversary of the Spitfire but it is also the 10th anniversary of the infamous Mike Jackson FOT temporary tattoos! A supply of them has been removed from their secret vault and will be passed out at the Mitty. If you were unsure about attending this should tip the scales. These will be the perfect addition to your Kastner Cup shirt. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 08:16:46 2012 From: Brad Kahler To: n197tr4@cs.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:45:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM How do you explain the lack of an oil catch tank to a tech inspector? On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > Good Morning Henry, > > Seems like you draw attention to an important issue about a 'closed system' > relative to the use of the vacuum system. > (yes we run a closed system) > > What do mean by a shoddy build? Sealing all the gasket points and > neoprene/viton seals properly? > > i suspect the felt rope seal is one of the worst offenders. without the felt > seal in place you can place a flashlight behind the bearing block and see lots > of light. Murphy bangs away with a special tool until the FELT actually > extrudes from the block....and doesnt seem to have a problem. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: yellow04 > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:15 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > > > All this chatter about vacuum systems got me thinking. Obviously, the system > relies on having a closed crankcase. My crankcase vents to my catch tank. I > have two lines to the catch tank, one from the fuel pump blank on the block, > the other to the rocker cover. Most setups I see are quite similar. Are you > guys running the vacuum systems running a similar catch tank setup, but > without the vent? > > Another thought, while I have witnessed race cars with vacuum systems that > were remarkedly free of oil drips, I have also seen cars with vacuum systems > that leak just as bad or worse than typical. I believe a vacuum system will > make a good, tight engine surprisingly dry, but can't overcome any > significant issues with a shoddy build. If the system can't pull a vacuum > because of leaks, it's not going to do much. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 08:29:59 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: brad.kahler@141.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:00:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Brad, It's a rule....but one that needs to be changed when there is a better system. Like Jack Woerhle says, "anything that keep oil off the track and the cars on it, is OK with me. So far I have had no problem appealing to the intelligence of the tech inspectors. The AMBRO was scrutinized very carefully when it gots it's inaugural Inspection Book. No problem there and it was discussed. BTW, What little oil vapor that is pulled off at the valve cover is burned off at the header. Once again, this is not a new idea. The drag types and roundy rounders frequently come up with better mousetraps than the sporty car guys, I am afraid. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: n197tr4 Cc: yellow04 ; fot Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 8:45 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM How do you explain the lack of an oil catch tank to a tech inspector? On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > Good Morning Henry, > > Seems like you draw attention to an important issue about a 'closed system' > relative to the use of the vacuum system. > (yes we run a closed system) > > What do mean by a shoddy build? Sealing all the gasket points and > neoprene/viton seals properly? > > i suspect the felt rope seal is one of the worst offenders. without the felt > seal in place you can place a flashlight behind the bearing block and see lots > of light. Murphy bangs away with a special tool until the FELT actually > extrudes from the block....and doesnt seem to have a problem. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: yellow04 > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:15 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > > > All this chatter about vacuum systems got me thinking. Obviously, the system > relies on having a closed crankcase. My crankcase vents to my catch tank. I > have two lines to the catch tank, one from the fuel pump blank on the block, > the other to the rocker cover. Most setups I see are quite similar. Are you > guys running the vacuum systems running a similar catch tank setup, but > without the vent? > > Another thought, while I have witnessed race cars with vacuum systems that > were remarkedly free of oil drips, I have also seen cars with vacuum systems > that leak just as bad or worse than typical. I believe a vacuum system will > make a good, tight engine surprisingly dry, but can't overcome any > significant issues with a shoddy build. If the system can't pull a vacuum > because of leaks, it's not going to do much. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 08:30:26 2012 From: Bob Kramer To: "n197tr4@cs.com" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:02:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM It looks like it might be worth trying to set up my vacuum system properly and see just how bad the rear seal really is. Mine sucks from the draught tube location, easy access to oil and too many leaks in to the engine. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:26 AM, n197tr4@cs.com wrote: > nicely done Randall.....thanks. > > note: some suppliers have added a 'V' notch in the 45 degree angle tube > making it resemble a kid's whistle. intuitively this makes sense in increasing > the efficiency of the air flow. i assume some form of testing was done or it > is a principle. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall > To: 'sherry robyn' > Cc: fot > Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 8:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > > > I'm not Joe, but maybe I can help out. Here is the other photo, which > pretty much shows the entire system: > http://goo.gl/AZ9W6 > > The orange hose is high-temperature silicone, connected to the original (?) > vent at the rocker cover and to a reed valve (aka check valve) that is > welded into the exhaust header with the end protruding into the exhaust flow > and the cut side facing downstream. The original road draft tube (if you > had one) is blanked off, as well as any other openings into the crankcase > (like the fill cap on my TR3). > > The concept is that every exhaust pulse (cylinder firing) sucks air out of > the tube. When it does, the reed valve opens and sucks air from the > silicone tube. Thereby pulling a modest vacuum on the crankcase, which in > turn helps pull oil back through the rear main seal. > > The big advantage, as I see it, is that the exhaust pulses get stronger at > full throttle, while the intake manifold vacuum (for the original PCV system > on later TRs) goes away entirely at full throttle. This avoids the buildup > of pressure in the crankcase caused by the factory PCV systems, which tends > to blow oil out past the rear main seal (and everywhere else). > > Here's a typical kit: > http://goo.gl/qfEsq > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 08:30:34 2012 From: "Barr, Scott" To: , , Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:01:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Joe wrote: << (yes we run a closed system) >> So you have no catch tank? Do you ever get questions from tech folk wondering where the heck your catch tank is? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:03 AM To: yellow04@tr4racer.com; fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Good Morning Henry, Seems like you draw attention to an important issue about a 'closed system' relative to the use of the vacuum system. (yes we run a closed system) What do mean by a shoddy build? Sealing all the gasket points and neoprene/viton seals properly? i suspect the felt rope seal is one of the worst offenders. without the felt seal in place you can place a flashlight behind the bearing block and see lots of light. Murphy bangs away with a special tool until the FELT actually extrudes from the block....and doesnt seem to have a problem. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 4:15 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM All this chatter about vacuum systems got me thinking. Obviously, the system relies on having a closed crankcase. My crankcase vents to my catch tank. I have two lines to the catch tank, one from the fuel pump blank on the block, the other to the rocker cover. Most setups I see are quite similar. Are you guys running the vacuum systems running a similar catch tank setup, but without the vent? Another thought, while I have witnessed race cars with vacuum systems that were remarkedly free of oil drips, I have also seen cars with vacuum systems that leak just as bad or worse than typical. I believe a vacuum system will make a good, tight engine surprisingly dry, but can't overcome any significant issues with a shoddy build. If the system can't pull a vacuum because of leaks, it's not going to do much. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 08:47:12 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: "'Brad Kahler'" , Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:19:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Lost in corner #5. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Brad Kahler Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 15:46 An: n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM How do you explain the lack of an oil catch tank to a tech inspector? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 08:59:39 2012 From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:35:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Another Special Something For The Mitty ! I need a new tattoo !!! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Tue, January 31, 2012 4:55:00 PM Subject: [Fot] Another Special Something For The Mitty ! Not only is it the 60th anniversary of Triumph and 50th anniversary of the Spitfire but it is also the 10th anniversary of the infamous Mike Jackson FOT temporary tattoos! A supply of them has been removed from their secret vault and will be passed out at the Mitty. If you were unsure about attending this should tip the scales. These will be the perfect addition to your Kastner Cup shirt. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 09:00:20 2012 From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:45:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM If I'm interpreting the pictures correctly it looks like drawing from the valve cover is the only place you need to draw from. Although it sounds like you can also draw from any other location that would be accessible. Am I missing anything? Brad On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: > It looks like it might be worth trying to set up my vacuum system properly and > see just how bad the rear seal really is. Mine sucks from the draught tube > location, easy access to oil and too many leaks in to the engine. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:26 AM, n197tr4@cs.com wrote: > >> nicely done Randall.....thanks. >> >> note: some suppliers have added a 'V' notch in the 45 degree angle tube >> making it resemble a kid's whistle. intuitively this makes sense in > increasing >> the efficiency of the air flow. i assume some form of testing was done or > it >> is a principle. >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4@cs.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Randall >> To: 'sherry robyn' >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 8:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM >> >> >> I'm not Joe, but maybe I can help out. Here is the other photo, which >> pretty much shows the entire system: >> http://goo.gl/AZ9W6 >> >> The orange hose is high-temperature silicone, connected to the original (?) >> vent at the rocker cover and to a reed valve (aka check valve) that is >> welded into the exhaust header with the end protruding into the exhaust > flow >> and the cut side facing downstream. The original road draft tube (if you >> had one) is blanked off, as well as any other openings into the crankcase >> (like the fill cap on my TR3). >> >> The concept is that every exhaust pulse (cylinder firing) sucks air out of >> the tube. When it does, the reed valve opens and sucks air from the >> silicone tube. Thereby pulling a modest vacuum on the crankcase, which in >> turn helps pull oil back through the rear main seal. >> >> The big advantage, as I see it, is that the exhaust pulses get stronger at >> full throttle, while the intake manifold vacuum (for the original PCV > system >> on later TRs) goes away entirely at full throttle. This avoids the buildup >> of pressure in the crankcase caused by the factory PCV systems, which tends >> to blow oil out past the rear main seal (and everywhere else). >> >> Here's a typical kit: >> http://goo.gl/qfEsq >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bkahler1@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 09:17:04 2012 From: Tony Drews To: Bob Kramer ,fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:51:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Back to your rear seal issue - one thing that was pointed out on the list a year or so ago that I did with my last rebuild is to drill additional drain holes through the rear main. I drilled them parallel to the existing drain tube. 3/8" diameter. Helps give the copious quantities of thick oil a place to go other than into the bellhousing. Tony Drews At 09:02 AM 2/1/2012, Bob Kramer wrote: >It looks like it might be worth trying to set up my vacuum system properly and >see just how bad the rear seal really is. Mine sucks from the draught tube >location, easy access to oil and too many leaks in to the engine. > >Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 09:17:19 2012 From: Tony Drews To: Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:54:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM It seems like you could run a catch tank along with the vacuum system - run the line from the engine to the catch tank and the vent from the catch tank to the exhaust. Catch tank would need to not be vented otherwise and would need air tight fittings. Tony At 09:01 AM 2/1/2012, Barr, Scott wrote: >Joe wrote: << (yes we run a closed system) >> > >So you have no catch tank? Do you ever get questions from tech folk >wondering where the heck your catch tank is? > >Scott _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 09:30:28 2012 From: "Bob Kramer" To: , "Tony Drews" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:01:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Tony, I do that on all my engines too. My TR4A doesn't leak from the rear seal (very much) with just a BFE kit and two hoses running from the draught tube location and the valve cover to a catch can. As others have mentioned, just the oily mist that comes out of that can and the minor leaks get the engine compartment dirty after a few weekends. On the TR4 my son drives I realize that the vacuum system is set up wrong, sucking from the draught tube location and the engine is not sealed. I did replace the crankshaft after a tranny case failure (PO sysdrome) but I kept everything else as is. The rear seal is an obvious compromise but I'm going to seal the engine and hook the evac tube to the valve cover as has been suggested and see just how bad it is before I pull the engine. Bob Kramer 512-815-9925 rkramer3@austin.rr.com Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Bob Kramer" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > Back to your rear seal issue - one thing that was pointed out on the list > a year or so ago that I did with my last rebuild is to drill additional > drain holes through the rear main. I drilled them parallel to the > existing drain tube. 3/8" diameter. Helps give the copious quantities of > thick oil a place to go other than into the bellhousing. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:02 AM 2/1/2012, Bob Kramer wrote: >>It looks like it might be worth trying to set up my vacuum system properly >>and >>see just how bad the rear seal really is. Mine sucks from the draught tube >>location, easy access to oil and too many leaks in to the engine. >> >>Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 09:43:47 2012 From: Mike Munson To: marty sukey Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:19:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Another Special Something For The Mitty ! I think I may have one of those from the last time we ran at The Mitty. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:55 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Not only is it the 60th anniversary of Triumph and 50th anniversary of the > Spitfire but it is also the 10th anniversary of the infamous Mike Jackson FOT > temporary tattoos! A supply of them has been removed from their secret vault > and will be passed out at the Mitty. If you were unsure about attending this > should tip the scales. These will be the perfect addition to your Kastner Cup > shirt. Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 10:00:53 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: rkramer3@austin.rr.com, fot@autox.team.net, tony@tonydrews.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:43:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] REAR SEAL INSTALLATION- Good point about drilling the extra holes. I have not taken the time to do so. I have not added the holes in the reman scroll seals that I have distributed, either. As a reminder, there is a modification that needs to be done on the seal housing to clear the holes. Another reminder: it is necessary to check the length of the flywheel attachment bolts to insure they are not too, long. There has been two seals destroyed because of this. This check should be done, in any case, of course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: fot ; Tony Drews Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 10:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Tony, I do that on all my engines too. My TR4A doesn't leak from the rear seal (very much) with just a BFE kit and two hoses running from the draught tube location and the valve cover to a catch can. As others have mentioned, just the oily mist that comes out of that can and the minor leaks get the engine compartment dirty after a few weekends. On the TR4 my son drives I realize that the vacuum system is set up wrong, sucking from the draught tube location and the engine is not sealed. I did replace the crankshaft after a tranny case failure (PO sysdrome) but I kept everything else as is. The rear seal is an obvious compromise but I'm going to seal the engine and hook the evac tube to the valve cover as has been suggested and see just how bad it is before I pull the engine. Bob Kramer 512-815-9925 rkramer3@austin.rr.com Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence. Vince Lombardi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Bob Kramer" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > Back to your rear seal issue - one thing that was pointed out on the list > a year or so ago that I did with my last rebuild is to drill additional > drain holes through the rear main. I drilled them parallel to the > existing drain tube. 3/8" diameter. Helps give the copious quantities of > thick oil a place to go other than into the bellhousing. > > Tony Drews > > At 09:02 AM 2/1/2012, Bob Kramer wrote: >>It looks like it might be worth trying to set up my vacuum system properly >>and >>see just how bad the rear seal really is. Mine sucks from the draught tube >>location, easy access to oil and too many leaks in to the engine. >> >>Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 10:01:48 2012 From: "john hasty" To: "'MadMarx'" , "'Brad Kahler'" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:43:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I have seen the results of a holed piston which in less than one lap at Road Atlants pumped at least 3 qts. Of oil out of the engine into the catch can and into the engine bay and floor board of the car. Could your vacum system take care of this or does the excess oil just dump onto the track through the exhaust? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:19 AM To: 'Brad Kahler'; n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Lost in corner #5. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Brad Kahler Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 15:46 An: n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM How do you explain the lack of an oil catch tank to a tech inspector? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 10:15:56 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: "'john hasty'" , "'Brad Kahler'" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:46:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I think that would give a huge oil smoke and you'll pull off the track. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: john hasty [mailto:jhhasty@gdhs.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 17:43 An: 'MadMarx'; 'Brad Kahler'; n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I have seen the results of a holed piston which in less than one lap at Road Atlants pumped at least 3 qts. Of oil out of the engine into the catch can and into the engine bay and floor board of the car. Could your vacum system take care of this or does the excess oil just dump onto the track through the exhaust? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:19 AM To: 'Brad Kahler'; n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Lost in corner #5. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Brad Kahler Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 15:46 An: n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM How do you explain the lack of an oil catch tank to a tech inspector? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 10:16:15 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: jhhasty@gdhs.com, tr4racing@googlemail.com, brad.kahler@141.com Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:58:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM good point. perhaps we have a situation with probabilities. in the event of a catastrophic engine failure the probability of oiling the track is high, in any failure mode. could it be that the tailpipe may contain as oil as the catch can.....and send a message to the driver more quickly to pull to the side when you see a huge oil fog behind you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- The Alexander's and Kramer's have experienced a failures that went beyond the catch can. Kramer's was spectacular with a flash of fire followed by #197 doing a dance behind him. My failure was less spectacular, but benignly sent two or three cars slithering off of Turn 5 at Road America. Neither event would have been helped by a catch can. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: 'MadMarx' ; 'Brad Kahler' ; n197tr4 Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 10:43 am Subject: RE: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I have seen the results of a holed piston which in less than one lap at Road Atlants pumped at least 3 qts. Of oil out of the engine into the catch can and into the engine bay and floor board of the car. Could your vacum system take care of this or does the excess oil just dump onto the track through the exhaust? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:19 AM To: 'Brad Kahler'; n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Lost in corner #5. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Brad Kahler Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 15:46 An: n197tr4@cs.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM How do you explain the lack of an oil catch tank to a tech inspector? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 10:30:22 2012 From: BillDentin@aol.com To: trmarty@hotmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:10:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Another Special Something For The Mitty ! In a message dated 01/31/2012 6:57:25 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty@hotmail.com writes: > Not only is it the 60th anniversary of Triumph and 50th anniversary of > the > Spitfire but it is also the 10th anniversary of the infamous Mike Jackson > FOT > temporary tattoos! A supply of them has been removed from their secret > vault > and will be passed out at the Mitty. If you were unsure about attending > this > should tip the scales. These will be the perfect addition to your Kastner > Cup > shirt. Marty... I wish you would have made this known earlier. I just went out and had mine done permanently. I had one done on wife, Shirley, too. Right under her other tattoo. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 11:16:51 2012 From: "Steve Yott" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:56:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Thanks to all I wanted to send my sincere appreciation to all of you for allowing me to join the FOT site and list. I have in the past passed messages through Irv and thought it best to be out here for all of you to see where I can help and learn too. A little history; I live in southern Wisconsin and have been a member of the ISOA for a number of years. My first car in high school was a 1963 TR4 which caused arguments between me and my father who was a Sunbeam/Hillman fan.... I think I won because he got the ticket for burning rubber in my TR4! I worked for a number of years in a Mercedes shop which also took in anything English and put them in my stall which included mostly Triumphs and Jags. So my history with TR's goes back a long way. I am also the person who makes the newly designed oil pumps for the TR 2-4 engines using the one piece inner rotor and shaft. I have built around 50 of these so far and all are providing excellent service. I do have a small batch available now so please contact me for any information. I have a PDF of a newsletter article that I can send to you if interested. I also rebuild counter gear assembly's and install sleeves in worn units and fit dual bearings for a lifetime of enjoyment. Again thanks for the acceptance and glad to be here! Steve Yott _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 11:33:48 2012 From: To: , Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 13:14:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Is there a reason you can't run a catch tank with the vacuum system? Wouldn't that be the best of both worlds? It surprises me you convinced tech to waive the catch tank rule. What I meant is by shoddy build is an engine that leaks profusely. Like one you have to diaper to be able to run. I don't think a vacuum system can overcome shortcomings like not sealing all gasket points. I think John brings up quite a point. You crack a ring, blow a head gasket, or worse hole a piston, and suddenly are pumping air bigtime into the crankcase. In a closed system without a catch tank, what is going to happen? My guess is you will blow out the timing cover seal. I don't think you will dump a lot of oil, but...... Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4@cs.com To: yellow04@tr4racer.com ; fot@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM What do mean by a shoddy build? Sealing all the gasket points and neoprene/viton seals properly? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 12:02:15 2012 From: "Greg Solow" To: , , Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 10:45:51 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I believe that because of this possibility vacuum systems were not legal in SCCA sports car racing. This may have changed. Our engine in Baby Doll V does not use a vacuum system. We have an oil separator on the side of the block that drains back into the crankcase and vents to the catch can, and a baffled vent on the upper side of the valve cover. Our rear seal is a Chrysler 383 engine lip seal that is a two piece seal that rides on the rear of the crank that has been welded and ground smooth to the original size, but with no threads. We use permatex high temp silicone gasket maker with felt to seal the rear cap. The engine is completely dry running at speeds up to 7200 rpm. The catch tank usually has nothing or just a 1/2 inch or so of oil in it. A little mist does accumulate around the vent on the valve cover. The rear seal is something we developed around 1988 and have used successfully ever since. Max's Teflon seal looks to be a promising alternative if you are not using a "billet" crank that is custom made. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 12:37:22 2012 From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:05:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > Like one you have to diaper to be able to run. I resemble that remark! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 12:39:03 2012 From: Mike Munson To: Greg Solow , "yellow04@tr4racer.com" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:22:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM From: Greg Solow To: yellow04@tr4racer.com; fot@autox.team.net; n197tr4@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I believe that because of this possibility vacuum systems were not legal in SCCA sports car racing. This may have changed. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ It has not changed Greg. In the 2012 GCR it states. 9.1.5. "j.4No part of the oiling system can be connected to the exhaust system." Mike Munson _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 12:47:39 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: gregmogdoc@surfnetusa.com, yellow04@tr4racer.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:32:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Excellent exchange....and appreciated. I have avoided this discussion in the past as I was concerned that it may create a polarizing controversy. Perhaps the catch can in series with the vacuum system is the answer to the question of compliance with tech. In that event the discussion is/was very beneficial. Of course, no one can argue with Greg's success with his system. Thanks! Joe A. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: yellow04 ; fot ; n197tr4 Sent: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I believe that because of this possibility vacuum systems were not legal in SCCA sports car racing. This may have changed. Our engine in Baby Doll V does not use a vacuum system. We have an oil separator on the side of the block that drains back into the crankcase and vents to the catch can, and a baffled vent on the upper side of the valve cover. Our rear seal is a Chrysler 383 engine lip seal that is a two piece seal that rides on the rear of the crank that has been welded and ground smooth to the original size, but with no threads. We use permatex high temp silicone gasket maker with felt to seal the rear cap. The engine is completely dry running at speeds up to 7200 rpm. The catch tank usually has nothing or just a 1/2 inch or so of oil in it. A little mist does accumulate around the vent on the valve cover. The rear seal is something we developed around 1988 and have used successfully ever since. Max's Teflon seal looks to be a promising alternative if you are not using a "billet" crank that is custom made. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 1 16:58:31 2012 From: Rich Rock To: FOT Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 18:24:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM A vacuum system which connects to the exhaust system directly from the engine or which connects to the engine oil catch can is specifically prohibited in the SCCA 2012 GCR. I'm going to call SCCA this week and ask the tech department to tell me exactly why they have this rule. Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:45 PM To: yellow04@tr4racer.com; fot@autox.team.net; n197tr4@cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I believe that because of this possibility vacuum systems were not legal in SCCA sports car racing. This may have changed. Our engine in Baby Doll V does not use a vacuum system. We have an oil separator on the side of the block that drains back into the crankcase and vents to the catch can, and a baffled vent on the upper side of the valve cover. Our rear seal is a Chrysler 383 engine lip seal that is a two piece seal that rides on the rear of the crank that has been welded and ground smooth to the original size, but with no threads. We use permatex high temp silicone gasket maker with felt to seal the rear cap. The engine is completely dry running at speeds up to 7200 rpm. The catch tank usually has nothing or just a 1/2 inch or so of oil in it. A little mist does accumulate around the vent on the valve cover. The rear seal is something we developed around 1988 and have used successfully ever since. Max's Teflon seal looks to be a promising alternative if you are not using a "billet" crank that is custom made. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock@live.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 2 11:42:55 2012 From: BillDentin@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:17:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] The Vintage Triumph... Amici... The VTR's magazine THE VINTAGE TRIUMPH often takes the term 'periodical' to new heights. For instance the October/November 2011 issue arrived yesterday. But any punctuality issues are soon forgotten, because the contents and their quality keeps going up higher and higher. It's well worth the wait. This issue has great articles, including one by Paul Richardson about Vic Hammond's memories of the Triumph Roadster. I used to own KTF 469, and it was surely one of the neatest cars I ever had. So too Dale Will's article on Where it all began...the supercharged Triumph Super Sevens. Great reads. The VTR Board Meeting minutes tell about the eleven folk inducted into the VTR Hall of Fame. There are personal articles about our own Irv Korey and Andrew Mace. Great stuff. Kudos to Mike Cook and all involved. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 2 12:59:48 2012 From: Larry Young To: BillDentin@aol.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:17:14 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] The Vintage Triumph... I agree. Is Paul Richardson still on this list? I tried to send him a PM about the Lew Dawtrey article, but it bounced. I've especially enjoyed his historical articles and Bob Streepy's about original owners. Larry Young On 2/2/2012 12:17 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > The VTR's magazine THE VINTAGE TRIUMPH often takes the term 'periodical' to > new heights. For instance the October/November 2011 issue arrived > yesterday. But any punctuality issues are soon forgotten, because the contents and > their quality keeps going up higher and higher. It's well worth the wait. > This issue has great articles, including one by Paul Richardson about Vic > Hammond's memories of the Triumph Roadster. I used to own KTF 469, and it was > surely one of the neatest cars I ever had. So too Dale Will's article on > Where it all began...the supercharged Triumph Super Sevens. Great reads. > > The VTR Board Meeting minutes tell about the eleven folk inducted into the > VTR Hall of Fame. There are personal articles about our own Irv Korey and > Andrew Mace. > > Great stuff. Kudos to Mike Cook and all involved. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel@pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 2 14:26:52 2012 From: Rich Rock To: FOT Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 16:05:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA I called the tech department at SCCA national headquarters and asked for an explanation, the reasoning behind their prohibition of an exhaust system vacuum system and the response I got was something along the lines of " I don't know. That rule has been around longer than I have been here. You'll have to write a letter to the CRB (club racing board) and ask them". So, that's what I did. No answer yet, but I have gotten what looks like an automatically generated email that has a tracking number for my question. When I checked a couple hours ago , the status was listed as "awaiting review by committee, before being referred to CRB" Hmmm., this may take a while. I'll keep you posted. Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 2 16:54:06 2012 From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Rich Rock'" , "'FOT'" Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 18:13:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA I'm told by a GT-L 3x SCCA Ntl Champion that using exhaust vacuum to vent the sump (assuming that's what you want to do) was "outlawed" because it was seen as a possible enhancement for intake performance. Probably the smoke out the back was an issue also. I seem to remember a friend back in the 80s that did this, purely to get rid of the oil out the breather. He had to remodel that idea. I bcc'd a comp board friend, perhaps he'll comment back. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Rock Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:05 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA I called the tech department at SCCA national headquarters and asked for an explanation, the reasoning behind their prohibition of an exhaust system vacuum system and the response I got was something along the lines of " I don't know. That rule has been around longer than I have been here. You'll have to write a letter to the CRB (club racing board) and ask them". So, that's what I did. No answer yet, but I have gotten what looks like an automatically generated email that has a tracking number for my question. When I checked a couple hours ago , the status was listed as "awaiting review by committee, before being referred to CRB" Hmmm., this may take a while. I'll keep you posted. Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 2 20:01:31 2012 From: "Joe Boruch" To: rikrock@live.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 02:30:14 GMT Subject: Re: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA Rich, according to the SCCA web site it can take 1 to 4 weeks for a rule change to have the initial review, depending on when it was submitted. You may be waiting for a while. Joe ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rich Rock To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 16:05:26 -0500 I called the tech department at SCCA national headquarters and asked for an explanation, the reasoning behind their prohibition of an exhaust system vacuum system and the response I got was something along the lines of " I don't know. That rule has been around longer than I have been here. You'll have to write a letter to the CRB (club racing board) and ask them". So, that's what I did. No answer yet, but I have gotten what looks like an automatically generated email that has a tracking number for my question. When I checked a couple hours ago , the status was listed as "awaiting review by committee, before being referred to CRB" Hmmm., this may take a while. I'll keep you posted. Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch@netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 60-Year-Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals Free Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4f2b46fcb2ba8a7a5b0st06duc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 2 21:12:13 2012 From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Rich Rock'" , "'FOT'" Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 22:56:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA Forwarding to the group, Bob isn't on FOT. Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: Bob Dowie [mailto:bobdowie@optonline.net] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:04 PM To: Clark W. Nicholls; 'Rich Rock'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA Hi Guy's, I think you're talking about a vacupan system (see below) these were popular years ago. They were outlawed long before I served on the CRB, as I remember it there were concerns about fires if the "one way" valves at the header collector were to fail. You can get the same results with a dry sump system that will pull the crankcase into vacuum, without being tied to the exhaust system. See Ya, Bob #85700 VAC-U-PAN Highly effective method of achieving optimum power through significantly reducing internal pressures. Breather of the unit attaches to valve cover and probe is inserted into header. Exhaust scavenging pulls pressure and blow- by out of motor. Complete kit including chrome breathers. Not for use with street mufflers. Vac-U-Pan System (photo deleted) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 2 23:57:18 2012 From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:29:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] The Vintage Triumph... I loved the cover photo. I want a car like that. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 06:26:33 2012 From: To: Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that will have beneficial value? Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 07:11:31 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: yellow04@tr4racer.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:48:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Chris says he has measured with a carb balancer, but didnt mention any specific values. I have used a shop cloth on the oil fill opening. It appears to have substantial vacuum. Note: it appears that the reason for banning this feature has been lost to time....at least for the moment. If it's adds value and causes no harm, the rule should be rethought. Interesting stuff. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 7:27 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that will have beneficial value? Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 08:10:51 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:46:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BRITISH MOTOR TRADE ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE The BMTA was founded by Carl Heideman and others, with significant support and encouragement from Classic Motorsports Magazine. This is one of the things that enhances our vintage sport. See britcar.org for a list of members and more. You may see some of your current resources and find a new one. The 10th conference is coming up in Denver very soon. I hope see some of our FOT/RMVR friends while there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 10:11:16 2012 From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: yellow04@tr4racer.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I was told if you could pull 5in. you could expect up to 4HP per cylinder. Some racers run so much vacuum they have to reverse the seals to prevent air from being pulled into the block. One of our local speed shops has a GM, electric vacuum pump from a cobalt or something they say will pull between 5 & 8 in. They want $ 300.00 for it. Until budgets improve I have gone with the exhaust extractor set up to pull the vacuum on the catch tank to act as an oil seperator. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: yellow04@tr4racer.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 6:09:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that will have beneficial value? Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 10:12:02 2012 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:45:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement I am getting questions on the Kastner Cop shirts so I thought it would be a good time to resend the original post. See below. If you are planning on running and have not given me your name and car type and number please do so so it can be included on the shirt. Also not the FOT shirts are available to order also, however we have not yet made the minimum buy quantity of 48 on the FOT shirts yet. Thanks, Marty From: trmarty@hotmail.com To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:39:43 -0500 The shirt design for the 2012 Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta has been nailed down and we are ready to start taking orders. You can check out the artwork for the front of the shirt here http://tiny.cc/zi18c . We are doing the back of the shirt also. The back of the shirt will have each FOT drivers name, car type and car number that is competing that weekend silk screened onto it. Should make for a neat remembrance for the event. Shirts will be 100% cotton and ash grey in color. With the complexity of the artwork and the fact that we are silk screening the back the price we are looking at is $14 +/- about $2 each for all sizes up to XL and a little additional for shirts XXL and up. . I say +/- because pricing is dependent on how many we sell. Final pricing will be posted once all orders are received. Order cutoff date will be March 17th 2012 with the intention to start mailing shirts out the first week in April so you will have them prior to the Mitty. I would appreciate it if most of you could take advantage of the mailing option. Shirts will be available for handing out at the track but the more we can mail out the less time I will have to be tied up at the track. Shirts will be by pre-order only. Here is how ordering will take place. You will email me with how many shirts you want, what sizes, and what your address is and a contact phone number. I will compile the order and pass on a spread sheet to Ted Schumacher (TS Imported Automotive) who is having the shirts printed. At that point in time I will post on the list that the order has been placed and it will be up to each of you to contact Ted and arrange payment. I did my last two FOT shirt order projects this way and it worked out fine. These shirts will NOT be restricted to FOT members this time in order to drive down cost. So, if you know of any Triumph fanatics that would be interested please forward on this info. I need FOT driver info! If you think there is any chance you will competing at the 2012 Mitty please email me your name, car, and car number so it can be included on the back of the shirts. I would rather have your name on the shirt and you not show up than you be there and not have your name on the shirt. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 10:57:55 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net, yellow04@tr4racer.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:31:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Oh ya! I forgot to tell everyone that we added 10.7 HP on the dyno after installing the vacuum SYSTEM. :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: yellow04 Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I was told if you could pull 5in. you could expect up to 4HP per cylinder. Some racers run so much vacuum they have to reverse the seals to prevent air from being pulled into the block. One of our local speed shops has a GM, electric vacuum pump from a cobalt or something they say will pull between 5 & 8 in. They want $ 300.00 for it. Until budgets improve I have gone with the exhaust extractor set up to pull the vacuum on the catch tank to act as an oil seperator. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: yellow04@tr4racer.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 6:09:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that will have beneficial value? Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 10:58:19 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: trmarty@hotmail.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:36:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement The regular issue FOT shirts are worn proudly everywhere. Marty has gone the extra mile to make them available. There are about 300 folks on this list.....there should be a chance to get 48 hours. I already have about 15 of these shirts or I would get more. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:12 am Subject: [Fot] FW: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement I am getting questions on the Kastner Cop shirts so I thought it would be a good time to resend the original post. See below. If you are planning on running and have not given me your name and car type and number please do so so it can be included on the shirt. Also not the FOT shirts are available to order also, however we have not yet made the minimum buy quantity of 48 on the FOT shirts yet. Thanks, Marty From: trmarty@hotmail.com To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:39:43 -0500 The shirt design for the 2012 Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta has been nailed down and we are ready to start taking orders. You can check out the artwork for the front of the shirt here http://tiny.cc/zi18c . We are doing the back of the shirt also. The back of the shirt will have each FOT drivers name, car type and car number that is competing that weekend silk screened onto it. Should make for a neat remembrance for the event. Shirts will be 100% cotton and ash grey in color. With the complexity of the artwork and the fact that we are silk screening the back the price we are looking at is $14 +/- about $2 each for all sizes up to XL and a little additional for shirts XXL and up. . I say +/- because pricing is dependent on how many we sell. Final pricing will be posted once all orders are received. Order cutoff date will be March 17th 2012 with the intention to start mailing shirts out the first week in April so you will have them prior to the Mitty. I would appreciate it if most of you could take advantage of the mailing option. Shirts will be available for handing out at the track but the more we can mail out the less time I will have to be tied up at the track. Shirts will be by pre-order only. Here is how ordering will take place. You will email me with how many shirts you want, what sizes, and what your address is and a contact phone number. I will compile the order and pass on a spread sheet to Ted Schumacher (TS Imported Automotive) who is having the shirts printed. At that point in time I will post on the list that the order has been placed and it will be up to each of you to contact Ted and arrange payment. I did my last two FOT shirt order projects this way and it worked out fine. These shirts will NOT be restricted to FOT members this time in order to drive down cost. So, if you know of any Triumph fanatics that would be interested please forward on this info. I need FOT driver info! If you think there is any chance you will competing at the 2012 Mitty please email me your name, car, and car number so it can be included on the back of the shirts. I would rather have your name on the shirt and you not show up than you be there and not have your name on the shirt. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 10:58:29 2012 From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: n197tr4@cs.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM That has to be the cheapest horsepower you can buy. 10.7 is impressive. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: n197tr4@cs.com To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net, yellow04@tr4racer.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 10:31:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Oh ya!B I forgot to tell everyone that we added 10.7 HP on the dyno after installing the vacuum SYSTEM. :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711B (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: yellow04 Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I was told if you could pull 5in. you could expect up to 4HP per cylinder. Some racers run so much vacuum they have to reverse the seals to prevent air from being pulled into the block. One of our local speed shops has a GM, electric vacuum pump from a cobalt or something they say will pull between 5 & 8 in. They want $ 300.00 for it. Until budgets improve I have gone with the exhaust extractor set up to pull the vacuum on the catch tank to act as an oil seperator. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: yellow04@tr4racer.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 6:09:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that will have beneficial value? Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 11:11:48 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:50:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I WAS JUST KIDDING....but I suspect there has already been a run on these at Jegs and Summit. There ARE claims that it increases HP, but I always assumed it was hardly measureable. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: n197tr4 Cc: fot ; yellow04 Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM That has to be the cheapest horsepower you can buy. 10.7 is impressive. jg From: n197tr4@cs.com To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net, yellow04@tr4racer.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 10:31:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Oh ya! I forgot to tell everyone that we added 10.7 HP on the dyno after installing the vacuum SYSTEM. :-) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: yellow04 Cc: fot Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM I was told if you could pull 5in. you could expect up to 4HP per cylinder. Some racers run so much vacuum they have to reverse the seals to prevent air from being pulled into the block. One of our local speed shops has a GM, electric vacuum pump from a cobalt or something they say will pull between 5 & 8 in. They want $ 300.00 for it. Until budgets improve I have gone with the exhaust extractor set up to pull the vacuum on the catch tank to act as an oil seperator. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: yellow04@tr4racer.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 6:09:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that will have beneficial value? Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 12:12:34 2012 From: vintage.racer@comcast.net To: Friends of Triumph Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] New Website Hello All: Just ran across a new car enthusiasts website that looks like it has potential:B http://www.gearheadexchange.net/ Gary _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 12:49:32 2012 From: Kas Kastner To: "toodamnfunky@comcast.net" , Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 19:29:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM In that same thought trail, I have a special piece of paper with red letters typed on it and when you soak it in gasoline and drip in the tank you'll have another 15 bhp. Do use it twice as the increase in compression will fade your engine to darkness. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:43:09 +0000 > From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net > To: n197tr4@cs.com > CC: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > > That has to be the cheapest horsepower you can buy. 10.7 is impressive. > > jg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: n197tr4@cs.com > To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net, yellow04@tr4racer.com > Cc: fot@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 10:31:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > > > Oh ya!B I forgot to tell everyone that we added 10.7 HP on the dyno after > installing the vacuum SYSTEM. > > :-) > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711B (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky > To: yellow04 > Cc: fot > Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:11 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > > > I was told if you could pull 5in. you could expect up to 4HP per cylinder. > Some > racers run so much vacuum > > they have to reverse the seals to prevent air from being pulled into the > block. > > One of our local speed shops has a GM, electric vacuum pump from a cobalt or > something they say will pull between 5 & 8 in. They want $ 300.00 for it. > Until > budgets improve I have gone with the exhaust extractor > > set up to pull the vacuum on the catch tank to act as an oil seperator. > > > > jim g > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: yellow04@tr4racer.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, February 3, > 2012 6:09:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM > > Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that will have > beneficial value? > > > Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 14:13:05 2012 From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: Kas Kastner Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:49:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM Now you tell us Kas! I tried that at Watkins Glen and got no more than about 2.5hp. Didn't know enough about the theory to have printed it in color. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In that same thought trail, I have a special piece of paper with > red letters > typed on it and when you soak it in gasoline and drip in the tank > you'll have > another 15 bhp. Do use it twice as the increase in compression will > fade your > engine to darkness. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:43:09 +0000 >> From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net >> To: n197tr4@cs.com >> CC: fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM >> >> That has to be the cheapest horsepower you can buy. 10.7 is >> impressive. >> >> jg >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: n197tr4@cs.com >> To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net, yellow04@tr4racer.com >> Cc: fot@autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 10:31:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM >> >> >> Oh ya!B I forgot to tell everyone that we added 10.7 HP on the >> dyno after >> installing the vacuum SYSTEM. >> >> :-) >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711B (cell) >> n197tr4@cs.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: toodamnfunky >> To: yellow04 >> Cc: fot >> Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:11 am >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM >> >> >> I was told if you could pull 5in. you could expect up to 4HP per >> cylinder. >> Some >> racers run so much vacuum >> >> they have to reverse the seals to prevent air from being pulled >> into the >> block. >> >> One of our local speed shops has a GM, electric vacuum pump from a >> cobalt > or >> something they say will pull between 5 & 8 in. They want $ 300.00 >> for it. >> Until >> budgets improve I have gone with the exhaust extractor >> >> set up to pull the vacuum on the catch tank to act as an oil >> seperator. >> >> >> >> jim g >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: yellow04@tr4racer.com To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, >> February > 3, >> 2012 6:09:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] VACUUM SYSTEM >> >> Anybody have any idea how much vacuum we are talking about that >> will have >> beneficial value? >> >> >> Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: >> http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: >> http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 3 22:30:10 2012 From: Mark J Bradakis To: FOT Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:11:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] Vacuum System and SCCA I would think that the prohibition was the result of worries that a backfire in the exhaust might ignite fumes in the crankcase, or perhaps they were worried about oil getting sucked out of the engine and spread on the track. Neither scenario seems like a major issue to me. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 5 16:31:38 2012 From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 16:02:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 front brakes This may be a stupid question but here goes anyway. My front pads have always drag some when on the stands. Should the rotors turn freely or is some drag normal? I seem to use up more than my share of pads & rotors. Thanks as always Jim G Oh, I use porterfields and EBC blues _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 6 13:34:55 2012 From: Sam Clark To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:13:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes I'm not sure about the TR4 but on my TR6 which is currently up on stands the wheels turn freely. I am also running porterfields. Sam > Should the rotors turn freely or is some drag normal? I seem to use up more > than my share of pads & rotors. > > Thanks as always > > > > Jim G > > Oh, I use porterfields and EBC blues > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9 > ********************************** _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 6 15:51:38 2012 From: "J.C. Hassall" To: Richard Jacob Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:17:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] what is the correct procedure to install a new split On 1/31/2012 1:07 PM, Richard Jacob wrote: > Hello Gents, > I have a TR4 engine that is leaking oil, which I am guessing is from the split ring/oil seal on the crank. I have purchased a new split ring/oil seal which I want to install. The engine is now out of the car. Can anyone give me pointers/tips on how to install these new one correctly? > Thanking you in advance. > Richard > Richard, Kas' latest book has some very good info on this subject. Also, search the archives for a thread I started on 31 JUL 11 "Sealing the TR4 Rear Main Cap", especially Greg Solow's suggestion to use high temp RTV on the felt bits. Tony's suggestion to read Jack's excellent treatise on rebuilding the TR4 engine is also excellent. There are a lot of us who've BTDT and got the whole collection of mugs. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 6 15:53:07 2012 From: robertten1@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:23:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Spit 1500 Head Thickness Amici, Think this might of been a topic of discussion previously but here goes again - I have a '73 Spit 1500 ( big valve ) cylinder head and I need to know the overall stock thickness. I had some work done on this some 16 years ago, or so and now that I have the engine apart the chambers do not look like I remember them after some major grinding and port work. The photos I took at the time came out very fuzzy so hard to compare to the before photo. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 6 17:03:59 2012 From: "William Dewar" To: "Jim Gray" , "Friends of triumph" Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:40:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes Hello Jim, TR4's and TR3's with the girling brake systems had residual pressure valves in the front brake piping. It was there to limit the pad knockback and resulting low initial brake pedal. It had limited success on street cars and very little on racecars with wider tires and higher cornering loads. Also due to corrosion and years of use most now either don't work at all or hold back too much pressure. Best to eliminate it and go with the uprated front spindles and hubs. Supposedly some TR4A's also had them,never saw any on TR6's. It could cause fast pad and rotor wear. On TR4's it was mounted inline on the 5way brake junction right front. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 front brakes > This may be a stupid question but here goes anyway. My front pads have > always drag some when on the stands. > > Should the rotors turn freely or is some drag normal? I seem to use up more > than my share of pads & rotors. > > Thanks as always > > > > Jim G > > Oh, I use porterfields and EBC blues > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 6 18:33:57 2012 From: "M&M Hado" To: "William Dewar" , "Jim Gray" Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:05:44 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes Jim & Bill, I have a TR3B that had the residual pressure valve installed originally. A couple years ago I removed it, cleaned the internals and reinstalled the valve, with the internal components. It had always been in there as far as I remember but this was the first time I disassembled it for cleaning and inspection. I think, more than anything else, I was just curious as to what the insides looked like and how it worked since there is no detail in the books. Since that time I have noticed that when I stop on a slight grade. I can take my foot off the brake and the car does not drift back unless I wait for maybe a minute or so. It was clear that it was indeed working as it was supposed to but I was also concerned, as you were, that my pads would wear quickly. Plus I had a slight squeal that I couldn't get rid of. After reading in several different places about how it was not worth having, I removed the internals. Immediately I found that I had to pump the brake on EACH application to get it to "be solid" again. This happened even after a short drive. I thought I had some air in the lines but, after bleeding, got the same result. I then decided to put the internals back in and the cushy petal problem went away immediately. The message is that keeping the internals in the valve worked for me. This may not be the case in every car but I found that I prefer the firm petal to the pumping, and I can live with the slight squeal. As a side note, I plan to change to the Toyota caliper setup soon anyway. Mike Hado TTR - Houston -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of William Dewar Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:41 PM To: Jim Gray; Friends of triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes Hello Jim, TR4's and TR3's with the girling brake systems had residual pressure valves in the front brake piping. It was there to limit the pad knockback and resulting low initial brake pedal. It had limited success on street cars and very little on racecars with wider tires and higher cornering loads. Also due to corrosion and years of use most now either don't work at all or hold back too much pressure. Best to eliminate it and go with the uprated front spindles and hubs. Supposedly some TR4A's also had them,never saw any on TR6's. It could cause fast pad and rotor wear. On TR4's it was mounted inline on the 5way brake junction right front. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "Friends of triumph" Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 front brakes > This may be a stupid question but here goes anyway. My front pads have > always drag some when on the stands. > > Should the rotors turn freely or is some drag normal? I seem to use up more > than my share of pads & rotors. > > Thanks as always > > > > Jim G > > Oh, I use porterfields and EBC blues > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 6 20:02:49 2012 From: Bill Babcock To: Sam Clark Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:44:11 -1000 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes Could be a residual pressure valve, could be your seals have lost their springiness and don't pull back the pucks. We had a long discussion about this some time ago that centered around girling seals not having lips (they're just square). I did the simple test of watching the pucks--if you don't have a residual pressure valve they retreat a little when you let off the brake pressure. Got to be the seals doing that. At any rate, if you don't have uprated axles you probably get plenty of rotor wobble in turns that keeps the pads knocked back. I prefer no drag, so I don't run residual pressure valves, do have uprated axles and hubs. I get a little pedal fluff now and then, but it's better than fading out your brakes. The biggest problem I have now is pad tapering. Pads don't last long. On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Sam Clark wrote: > I'm not sure about the TR4 but on my TR6 which is currently up on stands the > wheels turn freely. I am also running porterfields. > > > Sam > >> Should the rotors turn freely or is some drag normal? I seem to use up more >> than my share of pads & rotors. >> >> Thanks as always >> >> >> >> Jim G >> >> Oh, I use porterfields and EBC blues >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9 >> ********************************** > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 00:05:05 2012 From: tr4racing@googlemail.com To: fot-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 06:43:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes As for seals. I always got upset about the seals. They burn away from heat and start leaking. To cure this I made some seals of high temperature resistant compund. DOT 3 4 5.1 compatible. As sideffect: the seals are hard and pad pushback or rotor drag is almost gone. If there is interest I can supply them. http://www.tr4-racing.de/eng/madmarx-racing.html Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sender: fot-bounces@autox.team.netDate: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:44:11 To: Sam Clark Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes Could be a residual pressure valve, could be your seals have lost their springiness and don't pull back the pucks. We had a long discussion about this some time ago that centered around girling seals not having lips (they're just square). I did the simple test of watching the pucks--if you don't have a residual pressure valve they retreat a little when you let off the brake pressure. Got to be the seals doing that. At any rate, if you don't have uprated axles you probably get plenty of rotor wobble in turns that keeps the pads knocked back. I prefer no drag, so I don't run residual pressure valves, do have uprated axles and hubs. I get a little pedal fluff now and then, but it's better than fading out your brakes. The biggest problem I have now is pad tapering. Pads don't last long. On Feb 6, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Sam Clark wrote: > I'm not sure about the TR4 but on my TR6 which is currently up on stands the > wheels turn freely. I am also running porterfields. > > > Sam > >> Should the rotors turn freely or is some drag normal? I seem to use up more >> than my share of pads & rotors. >> >> Thanks as always >> >> >> >> Jim G >> >> Oh, I use porterfields and EBC blues >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> End of Fot Digest, Vol 63, Issue 9 >> ********************************** > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb@bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 05:20:02 2012 From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:00:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race TR4 bought from Gary Hatch ? Is there anyone on the list that bought a race prepared TR4 from a Gary Hatch? Or knows of the car and what it is doing now? (could be SCCA racing) Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 08:37:08 2012 From: Don Marshall To: Friends of Triumph Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire dipstick tube I need to know if my early Spit 1147 engine should have a dipstick tube in the block or not. Right now, there's just a hole for the dipstick with no extension tube. A later 1147 I have in the barn does have a tube that brings the dipstick up about an inch or so. Both dipsticks are exactly the same, with the oil level marks at the same place, so it would appear that a tube would be normal, but I'd like to know for sure. If I'm supposed to have the tube but don't, the oil level will read higher on the dipstick and if I get it to where it's "correct" on the dipstick I'll actually be low. If anyone has an early 1147 they could check I'd appreciate knowing if it has a extension tube or not. I know I can add marks to the dipstick to compensate but since I don't know how much oil the oil cooler and lines hold I'd just be guessing as to how much should be in there. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 09:43:35 2012 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Don Marshall" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:15:48 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire dipstick tube I went through this on my 1500s a few years ago. My 1500s' cranks seemed to catch a lot of oil in the sump and blast it up the dipstick tube in left-hand turns, with the result that I always had oil spewing out of my dipstick tube onto the headers. There are other ways to fix that problem, I'm sure, but my solution was to pull the tubes and tap the holes for a 1/4"NPT plug. Oil spewing problem solved. New problem created with dipstick marks. What I did with the dipstick was to put 4 quarts of water into the oil pan (sitting on my bench) and measure from the lip of the pan down to the surface of the water. Repeated with 4.5 quarts and 5 quarts. I then dropped a dipstick through the newly-tapped dipstick hole and measured down from the bottom of the block the distances measured for 4, 4.5 and 5 quarts in the pan and marked those on the dipstick (plus a bit for the thick pan gasket). I filed new marks on the dipstick and filed off the old marks. I've had pretty good results with that. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Marshall Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:21 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Spitfire dipstick tube I need to know if my early Spit 1147 engine should have a dipstick tube in the block or not. Right now, there's just a hole for the dipstick with no extension tube. A later 1147 I have in the barn does have a tube that brings the dipstick up about an inch or so. Both dipsticks are exactly the same, with the oil level marks at the same place, so it would appear that a tube would be normal, but I'd like to know for sure. If I'm supposed to have the tube but don't, the oil level will read higher on the dipstick and if I get it to where it's "correct" on the dipstick I'll actually be low. If anyone has an early 1147 they could check I'd appreciate knowing if it has a extension tube or not. I know I can add marks to the dipstick to compensate but since I don't know how much oil the oil cooler and lines hold I'd just be guessing as to how much should be in there. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 09:57:13 2012 From: Don Marshall To: Friends of Triumph Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:32:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Spitfire dipstick tube - never mind Thanks to the miracle of being retired and having time to fiddle, I've think I've answered my own question. The block casting of the early (Mk 1) 1147 that's in the race car is different from a later 1147 (Mk2) that I have in the barn, in that the dipstick hole is higher up in the casting. When measured from the lip of the oil pan, the hole in the earlier casting is about 3 1/4" without any tube. With the tube in the later engine, it also measures about 3 1/4". Therefore, the same dipstick should measure the same in either block. At least that's my conclusion so far. Don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Don Marshall Date: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM Subject: Spitfire dipstick tube To: Friends of Triumph I need to know if my early Spit 1147 engine should have a dipstick tube in the block or not. Right now, there's just a hole for the dipstick with no extension tube. A later 1147 I have in the barn does have a tube that brings the dipstick up about an inch or so. Both dipsticks are exactly the same, with the oil level marks at the same place, so it would appear that a tube would be normal, but I'd like to know for sure. If I'm supposed to have the tube but don't, the oil level will read higher on the dipstick and if I get it to where it's "correct" on the dipstick I'll actually be low. If anyone has an early 1147 they could check I'd appreciate knowing if it has a extension tube or not. I know I can add marks to the dipstick to compensate but since I don't know how much oil the oil cooler and lines hold I'd just be guessing as to how much should be in there. Thanks, Don _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 10:53:37 2012 From: Sam Clark To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 11:28:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 front brakes The TR6 does not have the residual pressure valve. There is a "tipping" valve inside the master cylinder that releases the pressure when you let off the pedal and, believe me, you don't want that valve to stick. Ask me how I know! As for the tapering you would need to check the squareness of the caliper to the rotor. I need to shim the right hand side caliper to square it. Sam > > > Could be a residual pressure valve, could be your seals have lost their > springiness and don't pull back the pucks. We had a long discussion about this > some time ago that centered around girling seals not having lips (they're just > square). I did the simple test of watching the pucks--if you don't have a > residual pressure valve they retreat a little when you let off the brake > pressure. Got to be the seals doing that. > > At any rate, if you don't have uprated axles you probably get plenty of rotor > wobble in turns that keeps the pads knocked back. I prefer no drag, so I don't > run residual pressure valves, do have uprated axles and hubs. I get a little > pedal fluff now and then, but it's better than fading out your brakes. The > biggest problem I have now is pad tapering. Pads don't last long. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 14:06:01 2012 From: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net> To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:43:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle Can anyone help identify this Spit rear axle from the photos, and/or what parts they was built from? http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyzQBGV The axle shaft is 1" dia with .9875 X 10 splines. According to the DPO it's a Mother Mueller part, but he's provided a few tall tales on the car's history. It's possible since car was built in SoCal, late 70' - early 80's. I'd at least like to find were the Yoke was sourced from. One side has quite a bit of play. Any leads would be appreciated. Cheers, Tim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 15:36:57 2012 From: Kas Kastner To: <1964spitfire@pacbell.net>, fot Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:15:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle Your description does not help me much, I need a photo. I built forged one piece axles in the early 1970's that were one piece with the hub and the axle all one forged part made of very expensive vascojet 8000 special steel. Mueler was given the specs and forging dies to carry on that work when I left Triumph. We used a Forklift U-joint for the mating parts and it was very very good and strong. This number may be the one, but it also may be for the engine dyno cardian shaft (which was lot bigger). I only have this Spicer part number so cannot tell. Anyway a clue is the forlift info. If all else fails look there. My spicer number is 5-178X .That is for a U-joint kit. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:43:49 -0800 > From: 1964spitfire@pacbell.net > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle > > Can anyone help identify this Spit rear axle from the photos, > and/or what > parts they was built from? > > http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyzQBGV > > The axle shaft is 1" > dia with .9875 X 10 splines. > According to the DPO it's a Mother Mueller part, > but he's provided a few tall tales on the car's history. > It's possible since > car was built in SoCal, late 70' - early 80's. > > I'd at least like to find were > the Yoke was sourced from. > One side has quite a bit of play. > > Any leads would > be appreciated. > > Cheers, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 17:23:21 2012 From: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net> To: Kas Kastner Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:59:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle Kas, Photos are here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317@N02/sets/72157629218411585/ Do you need a picture of something else. Axles are still in the car, so kinda hard to get a good photo. The spicer 5-178X (1350 series) you mention is slightly larger with a 1.188 cap. Mine use spicer 1310 series u-joints with a 1.062 cap and 3.219 overall length. Thanks, Tim ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: 1964spitfire@pacbell.net; fot Sent: Tue, February 7, 2012 2:15:18 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle Your description does not help me much, I need a photo. I built forged one piece axles in the early 1970's that were one piece with the hub and the axle all one forged part made of very expensive vascojet 8000 special steel. Mueler was given the specs and forging dies to carry on that work when I left Triumph. We used a Forklift U-joint for the mating parts and it was very very good and strong. This number may be the one, but it also may be for the engine dyno cardian shaft (which was lot bigger). I only have this Spicer part number so cannot tell. Anyway a clue is the forlift info. If all else fails look there. My spicer number is 5-178X .That is for a U-joint kit. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:43:49 -0800 > From: 1964spitfire@pacbell.net > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle > > Can anyone help identify this Spit rear axle from the photos, > and/or what > parts they was built from? > > http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyzQBGV > > The axle shaft is 1" > dia with .9875 X 10 splines. > According to the DPO it's a Mother Mueller part, > but he's provided a few tall tales on the car's history. > It's possible since > car was built in SoCal, late 70' - early 80's. > > I'd at least like to find were > the Yoke was sourced from. > One side has quite a bit of play. > > Any leads would > be appreciated. > > Cheers, > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 18:06:27 2012 From: Joseph Siam To: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net>, Kas Kastner Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 16:50:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle I have a great axle kit for Spits in stock. Thanks Joe -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net> >Sent: Feb 7, 2012 3:59 PM >To: Kas Kastner >Cc: fot@autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle > >Kas, > >Photos are here: >http://www.flickr.com/photos/14001317@N02/sets/72157629218411585/ > >Do you need >a picture of something else. >Axles are still in the car, so kinda hard to get >a good photo. > >The spicer 5-178X (1350 series) you mention is slightly larger >with a 1.188 cap. > >Mine use spicer 1310 series u-joints with a 1.062 cap and >3.219 overall length. > >Thanks, >Tim > > > > >________________________________ >From: Kas Kastner >To: 1964spitfire@pacbell.net; fot > >Sent: Tue, February 7, 2012 2:15:18 PM >Subject: RE: [Fot] >Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle > > >Your description does not help me >much, I need a photo. I built forged one >piece axles in the early 1970's >that were one piece with the hub and the axle >all one forged part made of >very expensive vascojet 8000 special steel. Mueler >was given the specs and >forging dies to carry on that work when I left Triumph. > >We used a Forklift >U-joint for the mating parts and it was very very good and >strong. This >number may be the one, but it also may be for the engine dyno >cardian shaft >(which was lot bigger). I only have this Spicer part number so >cannot tell. >Anyway a clue is the forlift info. If all else fails look there. >My spicer >number is 5-178X .That is for a U-joint kit. > >Never be beaten by equipment > >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:43:49 -0800 >> From: 1964spitfire@pacbell.net >> To: >fot@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle >> >> Can anyone help identify this Spit rear axle from the photos, >> and/or what >> parts they was built from? >> >> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjyzQBGV >> >> The axle >shaft is 1" >> dia with .9875 X 10 splines. >> According to the DPO it's a >Mother Mueller part, >> but he's provided a few tall tales on the car's >history. >> It's possible since >> car was built in SoCal, late 70' - early >80's. >> >> I'd at least like to find were >> the Yoke was sourced from. >> One >side has quite a bit of play. >> >> Any leads would >> be appreciated. >> >> >Cheers, >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas@cox.net >_______________________________________________ >fot@autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jsiam1@earthlink.net > > Chequered Flag Racing .net Joseph P. Siam 9833 Deering Ave unit I Chatsworth Ca 91311 818 350 6222 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 19:04:42 2012 From: robert smith To: "n197tr4@cs.com" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:42:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, And Spitfire Race Car For Sale Aloha Joe, Kas, and all. Hope you guys remember me and TS1 LO at Watkins Glen in 2008. I have a 1957 TR3 smallmouth that needs a complete distributor. I had to pirate the distributor in order to sell a Morgan. I also need a starter for a Tr3A. Anybody had luck with the " Hi Torque" starters starters sold in California? I also have an ex-Bobby Cohn 1967 Spitfire race car for sale. Will ship on a car trailer with lots of spares, including a new, extra set of Panasports and new race tires. Smith1127 @ aol.com, or 808-342-1036 Daylight Hours HST. Robert On Friday, February 3, 2012, wrote: > The BMTA was founded by Carl Heideman and others, with significant support > and encouragement from Classic Motorsports Magazine. > > This is one of the things that enhances our vintage sport. > > See britcar.org for a list of members and more. You may see some of > your current resources and find a new one. > > The 10th conference is coming up in Denver very soon. I hope see some of our > FOT/RMVR friends while there. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rsrpsmith@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 20:06:15 2012 From: Jim Norlin To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:45:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] Help identifying Spitfire comp rear axle Tim The photos look like what I have on my car. I believe they were Mueller axles because that's what everyone here in the PNW ran back then. Are the yokes held onto the axles by an Allen head cap screw? I'd take the yoke that's bad into a driveshaft rebuilding company and see if they can source it. Our shop here in Portland is great. Jim _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 20:50:22 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: rsrpsmith@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, Robert, Of course we remember you from Watkins Glen! Advanced Distributors is a very good source of distributors. He is on the BMTA membership list. Most of use Ted Schumacher's starters. He is on the FOT list. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert smith To: n197tr4 Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 7:42 pm Subject: Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, And Spitfire Race Car For Sale Aloha Joe, Kas, and all. Hope you guys remember me and TS1 LO at Watkins Glen in 2008. I have a 1957 TR3 smallmouth that needs a complete distributor. I had to pirate the distributor in order to sell a Morgan. I also need a starter for a Tr3A. Anybody had luck with the " Hi Torque" starters starters sold in California? I also have an ex-Bobby Cohn 1967 Spitfire race car for sale. Will ship on a car trailer with lots of spares, including a new, extra set of Panasports and new race tires. Smith1127 @aol.com, or 808-342-1036 Daylight Hours HST. Robert On Friday, February 3, 2012, wrote: > The BMTA was founded by Carl Heideman and others, with significant support > and encouragement from Classic Motorsports Magazine. > > This is one of the things that enhances our vintage sport. > > See britcar.org for a list of members and more. You may see some of > your current resources and find a new one. > > The 10th conference is coming up in Denver very soon. I hope see some of our > FOT/RMVR friends while there. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rsrpsmith@gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 21:07:11 2012 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:44:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Headcount FWIW, as of tonight we have a total of 50 drivers planning on running at the Mitty. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 7 21:07:26 2012 From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:46:03 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Seattle-Mitty-April Hi All, I have car space available, in Our Semi to the "mitty" from the PNW or if Need be Northern/central Cailf. Please contact me off list> Thank you Tony Garmey horizonracing@msn.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 06:51:44 2012 From: Robert Deanes To: marty sukey Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:28:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Headcount Woow Hooo.....I think we beat the Watkins Glenn turn out some years ago On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:44 PM, marty sukey wrote: > FWIW, as of tonight we have a total of 50 drivers planning on running at > the > Mitty. Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 08:23:22 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: rfdeanes@gmail.com, trmarty@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 09:54:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Headcount 60th Anniversary & 10th Kastner Cup The measure of this event is the 40th Anniversary (MID-OHIO) and the 50th Anniversary (MID-OHIO) Now we have the 60th Anniversary coupled with the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup............................. This is truly a historic event......we have a number of folks who are unable to bring their cars that are flying or driving in to be with us. The VTR is making a Regional Event of this and they continue to be our partners in this effort. Of course Classic Motorsports plays a huge part in the success of this event. I wonder what will be in the future for us for the 70th Anniversary? I hope to be there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: marty sukey Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 7:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Headcount Woow Hooo.....I think we beat the Watkins Glenn turn out some years ago On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:44 PM, marty sukey wrote: > FWIW, as of tonight we have a total of 50 drivers planning on running at > the > Mitty. Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 08:45:39 2012 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:20:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Just a reminder. All FOT competitors at the Mitty will have their names, car model, and car number silk screened on the back of the Kastner Cup shirt. If you are planning on running and have not given me your info yet please do so I can make sure you are included on the shirt. We might have to go with a shirt with a tail to include everybody:) If you want to see who is planning on attending Henry has provided a list on the FOT website. I will try to provide Henry with updates as they come in to me. Also, there is still time to order your Kastner Cup and or FOT shirts. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 09:25:26 2012 From: "Aaron Johnson" To: , , Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 10:02:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Headcount 60th Anniversary & 10th Kastner Cup I'm debating. Need to see how it works with the schedule. aaron Spitfire 1500 SCCA H-Prod -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:55 AM To: rfdeanes@gmail.com; trmarty@hotmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Headcount 60th Anniversary & 10th Kastner Cup The measure of this event is the 40th Anniversary (MID-OHIO) and the 50th Anniversary (MID-OHIO) Now we have the 60th Anniversary coupled with the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup............................. This is truly a historic event......we have a number of folks who are unable to bring their cars that are flying or driving in to be with us. The VTR is making a Regional Event of this and they continue to be our partners in this effort. Of course Classic Motorsports plays a huge part in the success of this event. I wonder what will be in the future for us for the 70th Anniversary? I hope to be there. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: marty sukey Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 7:52 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Headcount Woow Hooo.....I think we beat the Watkins Glenn turn out some years ago On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:44 PM, marty sukey wrote: > FWIW, as of tonight we have a total of 50 drivers planning on running at > the > Mitty. Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 09:26:07 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:03:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BMTA CONFERENCE AND PARTS I am packing for BMTA Conference....I am bring parts for some FOT/RMVR folks....if anyone else wants/needs anything, let me know.....Torque Reaction Arm, Spun Aluminum Headlamps, MadMarx Viton Seals, etc. britcar.org for schedule the-vintage-racer.com for parts listings Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 13:36:03 2012 From: To: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! HSR has stepped up to the plate, as we knew they would. HSR will give any Triumph driver who is not an HSR member a FULL REFUND up to the point they roll off their trailer at Road Atlanta!!! There is no reason to delay sending in your entries as early as possible. Lock in your car number and show HSR we mean business by entering now. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 14:07:09 2012 From: n197tr4@cs.com To: yellow04@tr4racer.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:38:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! outstanding! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: fot Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 2:36 pm Subject: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! HSR has stepped up to the plate, as we knew they would. HSR will give any Triumph driver who is not an HSR member a FULL REFUND up to the point they roll off their trailer at Road Atlanta!!! There is no reason to delay sending in your entries as early as possible. Lock in your car number and show HSR we mean business by entering now. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 8 14:07:27 2012 From: BillDentin@aol.com To: yellow04@tr4racer.com, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:43:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! In a message dated 02/08/2012 2:36:15 PM Central Standard Time, yellow04@tr4racer.com writes: > HSR has stepped up to the plate, as we knew they would. > > HSR will give any Triumph driver who is not an HSR member a FULL REFUND up > > to the point they roll off their trailer at Road Atlanta!!! > WOW! I'm impressed. Good Job, Henry! Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 9 03:36:11 2012 From: To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:32:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! Remember it's our friends at Classic Motorsports doing all the heavy lifting on this project! Be sure to tell Tim and his staff at the event how much we appreciate all they are doing for us on this. I have more good news coming shortly, stay tuned!!! Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! WOW! I'm impressed. Good Job, Henry! Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 9 04:06:20 2012 From: To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 06:01:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! In my haste to get the word out yesterday stealing a few minutes from a client, I was not as clear as I should have been! HSR has agreed that if we preregister and prepay, and need to cancel for any reason proir to rolling your car off the trailer in the paddock, we will get a refund in cash. HSR's cancellation policy states they will issue a credit good for one year to apply towards a future race, but we got that waived for any non-HSR member. So, if you car breaks at an event before the Mitty, or any other reason like your dog gets sick and you can't come, HSR will give you your money back. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Fot] Full refunds if needed for Mitty registrants!!! > What does this mean...? Refund for what? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 9 10:49:20 2012 From: Catpusher@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, FOT, Robert is a fine fellow. At Watkins I mentioned that Ellie and I sometimes take an anniversary cruise to Hawaii, and he said to let just him know. Two years later he picked us up and took us to see his private collection, including TS1 LO and the racing Spitfire, and returned us to the ship on time. He was having a very busy day, but he is a great host and Triumph person. Hardy In a message dated 2/7/2012 8:07:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fot-request@autox.team.net writes: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:42:19 -1000 From: robert smith To: "n197tr4@cs.com" Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" Subject: [Fot] Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, And Spitfire Race Car For Sale Aloha Joe, Kas, and all. Hope you guys remember me and TS1 LO at Watkins Glen in 2008. I have a 1957 TR3 smallmouth that needs a complete distributor. I had to pirate the distributor in order to sell a Morgan. I also need a starter for a Tr3A. Anybody had luck with the " Hi Torque" starters starters sold in California? I also have an ex-Bobby Cohn 1967 Spitfire race car for sale. Will ship on a car trailer with lots of spares, including a new, extra set of Panasports and new race tires. Smith1127 @ aol.com, or 808-342-1036 Daylight Hours HST. Robert _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 9 13:25:29 2012 From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:04:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] starter pinion gear on ring rear Greetings, I have had a tough time with starter failure and fitment in my GT6. My problem, probably somewhat unique, lies in the fact that the gear reduction starters do not physically fit between my fat headers and the engine plate even while taking advantage of the full rotational options of the adjustable mounting face of the starter. All that being said, I have been working on a few solutions that should work... as long as I can determine the following: Can someone out there enlighten me as to what an ideal final engagement relationship of the drive pinion of the starter to the ring gear is (at full pop starting position). I have a ring gear that is .57" thick. As the starter spins an pops out to engage the ring gear, how much of that .57" should be meshed/engaged with the starter pinion as the car is turning over? I would assume all .57" should be engaged but want to be sure that full coverage is not to much; causing difficulty to release properly. Any thoughts or numbers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing GT6 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 9 13:38:36 2012 From: cofrog@q.com To: triumph fot , triumph Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 15:20:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Saenz Rod for TR4 Alas, I have messed up a Saenz connecting rod for a TR4. Anybody got one? Any unique solutions? Thanks, Dan Forgey _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 9 20:38:19 2012 From: robert smith To: Catpusher@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:33:53 -1000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, Hey, Hardy! Thanks for the testimonial. Thanks to all, I got my distributor and starter motor. For anyone interested in the Spitfire Race Car, here's the history of the car: I tracked down Bob Coan and talked to him about the spitfire for a bit. He purchased the car from a gentleman out of Florida who owned Fuel Safe, They make fuel cells, as you know. He said the guy put $25K into the car. He said it was a well built car, but it had no connection to his dad (Jim Coan) or Kas. I was really hoping it had some period racing history, I still think it is a bargain at $5000. On 2/9/12, Catpusher@aol.com wrote: > FOT, > Robert is a fine fellow. At Watkins I mentioned that Ellie and I > sometimes take an anniversary cruise to Hawaii, and he said to let just him > know. > Two years later he picked us up and took us to see his private collection, > including TS1 LO and the racing Spitfire, and returned us to the ship on > time. He was having a very busy day, but he is a great host and Triumph > person. > > Hardy > > > In a message dated 2/7/2012 8:07:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > fot-request@autox.team.net writes: > > Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:42:19 -1000 > From: robert smith > To: "n197tr4@cs.com" > Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" > Subject: [Fot] Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, And Spitfire Race Car > For Sale > > Aloha Joe, Kas, and all. Hope you guys remember me and TS1 LO at Watkins > Glen in 2008. I have a 1957 TR3 smallmouth that needs a complete > distributor. I had to pirate the distributor in order to sell a Morgan. I > also need a starter for a Tr3A. Anybody had luck with the " Hi Torque" > starters starters sold in California? I also have an ex-Bobby Cohn 1967 > Spitfire race car for sale. Will ship on a car trailer with lots of spares, > including a new, extra set of Panasports and new race tires. Smith1127 @ > aol.com, or 808-342-1036 Daylight Hours HST. Robert _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 10 10:24:28 2012 From: robert smith To: Catpusher@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:14:20 -1000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, Pictures of the Spitfire can be seen on the home page at www.bigislandscca.org, See car #81. SCCA class me here as H Production, but I can rarely get out of 2nd gear on this small, SOLO track in Hawaii. The new 4:55 diff gearing is supposed to allow me to shift more on this small track, but you can change gearing if your application is a more of a race course. Thanks for looking. Robert P.Smith, 808-342-1036, smith1127@aol.com PS. SCCA Log Book and Tech Binder Included On 2/9/12, robert smith wrote: > Hey, Hardy! Thanks for the testimonial. Thanks to all, I got my > distributor and starter motor. For anyone interested in the Spitfire > Race Car, here's the history of the car: > I tracked down Bob Coan and talked to him about the spitfire for a > bit. He purchased the car from a gentleman out of Florida who owned > Fuel Safe, They make fuel cells, as you know. He said the guy put > $25K into the car. He said it was a well built car, but it had no > connection to his dad (Jim Coan) or Kas. I was really hoping it had > some period racing history, I still think it is a bargain at $5000. > > > On 2/9/12, Catpusher@aol.com wrote: >> FOT, >> Robert is a fine fellow. At Watkins I mentioned that Ellie and I >> sometimes take an anniversary cruise to Hawaii, and he said to let just >> him >> know. >> Two years later he picked us up and took us to see his private >> collection, >> including TS1 LO and the racing Spitfire, and returned us to the ship on >> time. He was having a very busy day, but he is a great host and Triumph >> person. >> >> Hardy >> >> >> In a message dated 2/7/2012 8:07:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> fot-request@autox.team.net writes: >> >> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 15:42:19 -1000 >> From: robert smith >> To: "n197tr4@cs.com" >> Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" >> Subject: [Fot] Triumph Parts Needed In Hawaii, And Spitfire Race Car >> For Sale >> >> Aloha Joe, Kas, and all. Hope you guys remember me and TS1 LO at Watkins >> Glen in 2008. I have a 1957 TR3 smallmouth that needs a complete >> distributor. I had to pirate the distributor in order to sell a Morgan. >> I >> also need a starter for a Tr3A. Anybody had luck with the " Hi Torque" >> starters starters sold in California? I also have an ex-Bobby Coan 1967 >> Spitfire race car for sale. Will ship on a car trailer with lots of >> spares, I can arrange for shipping to San Diego, Sea/Tac, Oakland, or LA. >> Among many spares included are a set new, extra set of Panasports and new Hoosier race tires. smith1127 @aol.com, or 808-342-1036 Daylight Hours HST. Robert _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 11 13:56:55 2012 From: robertten1@aol.com To: net@newenglandtriumphs.org, fot@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:56:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] ADULT Tractor Joke Cletus & Billy Bob Cletus is passing by Billy Bob's hay barn one day when, through a gap in the door, he sees Billy Bob doing a slow and sensual striptease in front of an old green John Deere. Buttocks clenched, he performs a slow pirouette, and gently slides off first the right strap of his overalls, followed by the left. He then hunches his shoulders forward and in a classic striptease move, lets his overalls fall down to his hips, revealing a torn and frayed plaid shirt. Then, grabbing both sides of his shirt, he rips it apart to reveal his stained T-shirt underneath. With a final flourish, he tears the T-shirt from his body, and hurls his baseball cap onto a pile of hay. Having seen enough, Cletus rushes in and says, "What the heck're ya doing, Billy Bob?" "Good Lord, Cletus, ya scared the bejeezers out of me," says an obviously embarrassed Billy Bob. "But me 'n the Ol' Lady been havin trouble lately in the bedroom d'partment, and the therapist suggested I do something sexy to a tractor." [Don't make me come splain this to you! Read the last line again, slowly.] LOL ! Hope you TR 2-3-4 owners are keepen your engines warm April is almost upon us! Cheers, Bob T _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 11 16:12:15 2012 From: Mark J Bradakis To: Friends of Triumph Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:10:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pleasant surprise Went to the mailbox and found the 2102 Pegasus catalog and the latest issue of Food & Wine magazine. Some new stuff to peruse while I am sitting around, uh, relaxing. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 11 17:28:07 2012 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "Friends of Triumph" Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:19:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Pleasant surprise Hey, now, wait a minute here! I got the Pegasus catalogue but who snarfed my copy of Food & Wine??? --Rocket J. Squirrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Pleasant surprise > Went to the mailbox and found the 2102 Pegasus catalog and the > latest issue of Food & Wine magazine. Some new stuff to peruse while > I am sitting around, uh, relaxing. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 13 13:44:12 2012 From: cofrog@q.com To: triumph fot Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:43:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Connecting Rods Anyone every try aluminum con rods for a TR4? Good/bad experiences? Any opinions? Thanks, Dan _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 14 12:05:14 2012 From: EDWARD BARNARD To: FOT Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:03:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty Group: Did I hear/read correctly in one of the emails concerning the Mitty that the track or HSR had HANS devices for rent? Was I just dreaming? Old Timers disease perhaps? Thanks - Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 14 14:20:11 2012 From: "Joe Curry" To: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:20:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 50th anniversary Spitfire commemorative decals. I have shipped all the decals that were preordered. Thanks to everyone who are engaging in the celebration of 50 years of Spitfires. Now that everything is up to date, I have 6 decals left over and am offering them up for anybody who missed out on the initial offer. (A) 11.6" wide x 6.3" high @ $25.00 each (one left) (B) 10 " wide x 5.5" high @ 22.50 each (one left) (C) 6.75" wide x3.75" high @ 12.00 each (4 left) If anybody wants any of these, I will reserve them on a first come, first served basis. All the prices include shipping. Regards, Joe Curry 1707 W. Placita Del Zocalo Sahuarita, AZ 85629 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 14 17:53:47 2012 From: Rich Rock To: FOT , <""@autox.team.net> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT at Simeone The annual "Best of Britain" exhibit opened this past weekend at the world-famous Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum in Philadelphia. The TR-4 of FOT member Dave Miller is part of the exhibit. Congratulations, Dave! Check it out at www.simeonemuseum.org Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 14 17:59:59 2012 From: Rich Rock To: FOT Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:59:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph at Simeone The annual "Best of Britain" exhibit at the world-famous Simeone Foundation Automotive Museum in Philadelphia opened this past weekend . The TR-4 of FOT member Dave Miller is part of this exhibit. Congratulations, Dave! Check it out at www.simeonemuseum.org Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 03:51:12 2012 From: To: "EDWARD BARNARD" , "FOT" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:50:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty Ed, You didn't read it here, I have no idea if anyone is renting HANS devices. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty > Group: Did I hear/read correctly in one of the emails concerning the Mitty > that the track or HSR had HANS devices for rent? Was I just dreaming? Old > Timers disease perhaps? > Thanks - Ed > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 06:37:22 2012 From: Joe Alexander To: edwardbarnard@prodigy.net, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:36:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty Having that information might be useful to some. Rent or loaners might allow someone to run. Good question, Ed! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: yellow04 To: EDWARD BARNARD ; FOT Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:51 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty Ed, You didn't read it here, I have no idea if anyone is renting HANS devices. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:03 PM Subject: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty > Group: Did I hear/read correctly in one of the emails concerning the Mitty > that the track or HSR had HANS devices for rent? Was I just dreaming? Old > Timers disease perhaps? > Thanks - Ed > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 08:16:19 2012 From: fpspitfire@comcast.net To: FoT Triumph Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] mitty question about the mitty.B A few of us are thinking of going, but where do current SCCA cars fit in?B Are we allowed to run in our current configuration (slicks, flares, etc). It's a long tow for us with a couple nationals right around that time so planning will be key.B aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 08:33:04 2012 From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fpspitfire@comcast.net Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:31:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty Hi, I'd read the "tires" section at the HSR site. The way _I_ read it, you can probably run DOT tires like Toyo Proxes RA1's but the "spirit" of the rule would be to run the Vintage TD's or something similar. But it's all spelled out as to what HSR requires: http://www.hsrrace.com/HSR/HSRHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-637HSK/$file/Rules+&+Regulations.pdf?OpenElement Scroll down to HSR Tire Rules. For Spitfires, I read the rule as 185/60-13 For TR's I read the rule as 195/60-15 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 08:39:59 2012 From: toodamnfunky@comcast.net To: "Robert M. Lang" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty This came from the HSR rules & Regs. I didn't read further to see if there was any way around it . Policy: It is our policy for cars to be restored to and/or maintained in the configuration as they were raced in the year of manufacture. The only modifications that are acceptable are those required by HSR in the interest of safety. Modifications that increase performance or handling to later or contemporary standards are not permitted. Cars must be retired from all forms of professional racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fpspitfire@comcast.net Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:31:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty Hi, I'd read the "tires" section at the HSR site. The way _I_ read it, you can probably run DOT tires like Toyo Proxes RA1's but the "spirit" of the rule would be to run the Vintage TD's or something similar. But it's all spelled out as to what HSR requires: http://www.hsrrace.com/HSR/HSRHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-637HSK/$file/Rules+ &+Regulations.pdf?OpenElement Scroll down to HSR Tire Rules. For Spitfires, I read the rule as 185/60-13 For TR's I read the rule as 195/60-15 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 08:47:40 2012 From: Joe Alexander To: toodamnfunky@comcast.net, lang@isis.mit.edu Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:47:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty there may be 'courtesy' waivers in consideration of the Kastner Cup, as in the past. But this needs to be addressed by Chairman Henry and HSR, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky To: Robert M. Lang Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty This came from the HSR rules & Regs. I didn't read further to see if there was any way around it . Policy: It is our policy for cars to be restored to and/or maintained in the configuration as they were raced in the year of manufacture. The only modifications that are acceptable are those required by HSR in the interest of safety. Modifications that increase performance or handling to later or contemporary standards are not permitted. Cars must be retired from all forms of professional racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: fpspitfire@comcast.net Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:31:59 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty Hi, I'd read the "tires" section at the HSR site. The way _I_ read it, you can probably run DOT tires like Toyo Proxes RA1's but the "spirit" of the rule would be to run the Vintage TD's or something similar. But it's all spelled out as to what HSR requires: http://www.hsrrace.com/HSR/HSRHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-637HSK/$file/Rules+ &+Regulations.pdf?OpenElement Scroll down to HSR Tire Rules. For Spitfires, I read the rule as 185/60-13 For TR's I read the rule as 195/60-15 regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 09:21:11 2012 From: BillDentin@aol.com To: n197tr4@cs.com, toodamnfunky@comcast.net, lang@isis.mit.edu Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty In a message dated 02/15/2012 9:47:43 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: > there may be 'courtesy' waivers in consideration of the Kastner Cup, as > in > the past. But this needs to be addressed by Chairman Henry and HSR, > Many, if not most, vintage sanctioning bodies will not allow slicks and treaded tires in the same race group. And with good reason. I can remember standing next to Stirling Moss at the first Blackhawk Vintage Classic event. At the Drivers Meeting the Chief Steward had referenced the rule in answer to a question, and Stirling said something to the effect of, "Good Rule! You race with treaded tires and are chasing a car on slicks...you'll soon forget that they can do stuff you can't do. Bad idea." It was a very interesting Drivers Meeting, and Moss was also very vocal about other aspects including 'overtaking'. It was great to have such a great Honorary Grand Marshall at a local club track like Blackhawk Farms. This especially since he was going to race with us. He was part of the paddock all week end long, and VERY approachable, but it was clear to me that he had concerns about sharing the track with a bunch of amateurs. But it worked out great. All had a good time. Even Stirling Moss. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 09:21:59 2012 From: N197TR4@cs.com To: BillDentin@aol.com, toodamnfunky@comcast.net, lang@isis.mit.edu Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:20:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty I don't believe we have ever had slicks run with us as part of the Kastner Cup. I suspect that we will not do it in the future. Joe _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 09:23:24 2012 From: To: , , "Joe Alexander" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:23:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty I am at a job today and tomorrow, and my next meeting with Andy is next week, but I will shoot out an email for a clairification. Henry yellow04@tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty > there may be 'courtesy' waivers in consideration of the Kastner Cup, as in > the past. But this needs to be addressed by Chairman Henry and HSR, > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: toodamnfunky > To: Robert M. Lang > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 9:40 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty > > > This came from the HSR rules & Regs. I didn't read further to see if there > was > any way around > > it . > > > > Policy: > > It is our policy for cars to be restored to and/or maintained in the > configuration as they > > were raced in the year of manufacture. The only modifications that are > acceptable are those > > required by HSR in the interest of safety. Modifications that increase > performance or handling to > > later or contemporary standards are not permitted. Cars must be retired > from > all forms of > > professional racing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: fpspitfire@comcast.net > Cc: "FoT Triumph" > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:31:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] mitty > > Hi, > > I'd read the "tires" section at the HSR site. > > The way _I_ read it, you can probably run DOT tires like Toyo Proxes RA1's > but the "spirit" of the rule would be to run the Vintage TD's or something > similar. > > But it's all spelled out as to what HSR requires: > > http://www.hsrrace.com/HSR/HSRHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-637HSK/$file/Rules+ > &+Regulations.pdf?OpenElement > > Scroll down to HSR Tire Rules. > > For Spitfires, I read the rule as 185/60-13 > > For TR's I read the rule as 195/60-15 > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space > for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 12:50:35 2012 From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] NO SLICKS for the Kastner Cup No SLICKS! I just got the answer on that for the Kastner Cup. No surprise. If you wish to run, please submit picture and specifications and Kas and I will review, case by case. We have done this with one other non-vintage car with good results. We told the driver 'yes' for the Kastner Cup, and it was up to him to pass the HSR TECH. Submit you car to me, for Kastner Cup eligibility, and I will pass onto Henry for the final word with HSR. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 14:24:19 2012 From: "Aaron Johnson" To: "'Joe Alexander'" , Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:24:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] NO SLICKS for the Kastner Cup Just sounds like too much of a hassle. I'm out. Have fun guys. aaron -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:50 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] NO SLICKS for the Kastner Cup No SLICKS! I just got the answer on that for the Kastner Cup. No surprise. If you wish to run, please submit picture and specifications and Kas and I will review, case by case. We have done this with one other non-vintage car with good results. We told the driver 'yes' for the Kastner Cup, and it was up to him to pass the HSR TECH. Submit you car to me, for Kastner Cup eligibility, and I will pass onto Henry for the final word with HSR. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 15:25:03 2012 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: , , "Joe Alexander" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:16:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty A rental HANS does you no good without the proper anchors installed on the helmet. And if you have the anchors, shouldn't you have the device? --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty > Having that information might be useful to some. > > Rent or loaners might allow someone to run. > > Good question, Ed! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4@cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: yellow04 > To: EDWARD BARNARD ; FOT > Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 4:51 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty > > > Ed, > > You didn't read it here, I have no idea if anyone is renting HANS devices. > > Henry > yellow04@tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD BARNARD" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:03 PM > Subject: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty > > >> Group: Did I hear/read correctly in one of the emails concerning the >> Mitty >> that the track or HSR had HANS devices for rent? Was I just dreaming? Old >> Timers disease perhaps? >> Thanks - Ed >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04@tr4racer.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 15:25:35 2012 From: Joe Alexander To: fpspitfire@comcast.net, fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:16:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] NO SLICKS for the Kastner Cup understood....thanks for thinking of us Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Johnson To: 'Joe Alexander' ; fot Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 3:24 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] NO SLICKS for the Kastner Cup Just sounds like too much of a hassle. I'm out. Have fun guys. aaron -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:50 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] NO SLICKS for the Kastner Cup No SLICKS! I just got the answer on that for the Kastner Cup. No surprise. If you wish to run, please submit picture and specifications and Kas and I will review, case by case. We have done this with one other non-vintage car with good results. We told the driver 'yes' for the Kastner Cup, and it was up to him to pass the HSR TECH. Submit you car to me, for Kastner Cup eligibility, and I will pass onto Henry for the final word with HSR. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fpspitfire@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 18:51:11 2012 From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:49:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty and sorry Amici Two things..... Mitty first. I am trying to get there but I am asking for help in a few ways. First, I am thinking of flying into Atlanta, so, is there some one going past that can pick me up and drop me off, or should I just rent a car? Second, is it a spectator race or can I use someone's crew pass? I will definitely help out where I can no matter what. Third, I am excited and really trying to get there. My apology is for not doing anything with the calendar. I just got extremely busy. I have looked at all the pictures that everyone sent. Deciding on which pictures to use is almost impossible. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 15 20:37:54 2012 From: LimeyV8@aol.com To: rocky@spitfire4.com, edwardbarnard@prodigy.net, fot@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:37:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Hans at the Mitty In a message dated 2/15/2012 5:25:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rocky@spitfire4.com writes: A rental HANS does you no good without the proper anchors installed on the helmet. And if you have the anchors, shouldn't you have the device? NO...not necessarily Well, you do have to have the posts on the helmet - you generally get the posts with the helmet - or buy the posts and install them on the helmet. I have HANS posts on my helmet but i do not own a HANS. 4 of us co-drove the RiffRAF Racing TR6 in the ChumpCar endurance races at Road Atlanta this past weekend - all 4 of us have HANS posts on our helmets, but only 1 of us owns a HANS - we shared that HANS and another HANS borrowed from another team-mate who did not drive the race. It so happens we all are properly fitted with a 30-large HANS and that's what both HANS were (no skinny little shrimps on this team) - it worked for us but YMMV. oh...and in case you were wondering - On Saturday we broke down (weird clutch pressure plate failure), fixed it, then crashed (i got nudged, spun and then hit hard by a Nissan in turn 1) fixed it (more or less) and then ran all 4 hours on Sunday without mishap ...okay a fender started flapping in the breeze - we taped it at 1 driver change, the tape came off, we drilled holes and zip tied it at the next driver change, but no big deal. We didn't know we'd cracked a trailing arm on Saturday until we got home. We all had fun, but it wasn't really our finest hour. Cheers, Jack Mc _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 07:41:20 2012 From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: "'Christopher Bock'" , "'FoTTriumph'" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:41:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty and sorry Mitty information and ticket options (yes, a spectator event!) http://classicmotorsports.net/events/Mitty12/ Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 09:26:58 2012 From: "Bob Kramer" To: "'marty sukey'" , "'FOT'" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:25:54 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement Marty, It looks like I'll be able to come to the Mitty after all. If it's not too late my car is a 1966 TR4A #29, Bob Kramer. I'll want an XL shirt. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:45 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] FW: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement I am getting questions on the Kastner Cop shirts so I thought it would be a good time to resend the original post. See below. If you are planning on running and have not given me your name and car type and number please do so so it can be included on the shirt. Also not the FOT shirts are available to order also, however we have not yet made the minimum buy quantity of 48 on the FOT shirts yet. Thanks, Marty From: trmarty@hotmail.com To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: 2012 Kastner Cup Shirt Announcement Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:39:43 -0500 The shirt design for the 2012 Kastner Cup at Road Atlanta has been nailed down and we are ready to start taking orders. You can check out the artwork for the front of the shirt here http://tiny.cc/zi18c . We are doing the back of the shirt also. The back of the shirt will have each FOT drivers name, car type and car number that is competing that weekend silk screened onto it. Should make for a neat remembrance for the event. Shirts will be 100% cotton and ash grey in color. With the complexity of the artwork and the fact that we are silk screening the back the price we are looking at is $14 +/- about $2 each for all sizes up to XL and a little additional for shirts XXL and up. . I say +/- because pricing is dependent on how many we sell. Final pricing will be posted once all orders are received. Order cutoff date will be March 17th 2012 with the intention to start mailing shirts out the first week in April so you will have them prior to the Mitty. I would appreciate it if most of you could take advantage of the mailing option. Shirts will be available for handing out at the track but the more we can mail out the less time I will have to be tied up at the track. Shirts will be by pre-order only. Here is how ordering will take place. You will email me with how many shirts you want, what sizes, and what your address is and a contact phone number. I will compile the order and pass on a spread sheet to Ted Schumacher (TS Imported Automotive) who is having the shirts printed. At that point in time I will post on the list that the order has been placed and it will be up to each of you to contact Ted and arrange payment. I did my last two FOT shirt order projects this way and it worked out fine. These shirts will NOT be restricted to FOT members this time in order to drive down cost. So, if you know of any Triumph fanatics that would be interested please forward on this info. I need FOT driver info! If you think there is any chance you will competing at the 2012 Mitty please email me your name, car, and car number so it can be included on the back of the shirts. I would rather have your name on the shirt and you not show up than you be there and not have your name on the shirt. Thanks, Marty Sukey _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3@austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 12:37:02 2012 From: Bobby Whitehead To: Christopher Bock Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 11:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty and sorry Christopher... when I was there for the 40th Annual celebration for Group 44 there was a van airport shuttle that ran right to the Holiday Inn that was only about 3-4 miles from the track. Depending on where you stay I'm sure I could help getting you to the track, once I'm there I'm camped out at the track. If no-one holds their hand up, depending on the HSR passes (if there are any for crew) you are welcome to have mine... sidebar... it's Triumphs, we will ALL be crewing for each other one way or another.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Christopher Bock To: FoTTriumph Sent: Wed, February 15, 2012 6:49:34 PM Subject: [Fot] Mitty and sorry Amici Two things..... Mitty first. I am trying to get there but I am asking for help in a few ways. First, I am thinking of flying into Atlanta, so, is there some one going past that can pick me up and drop me off, or should I just rent a car? Second, is it a spectator race or can I use someone's crew pass? I will definitely help out where I can no matter what. Third, I am excited and really trying to get there. My apology is for not doing anything with the calendar. I just got extremely busy. I have looked at all the pictures that everyone sent. Deciding on which pictures to use is almost impossible. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 14:08:34 2012 From: Ted Schumacher To: FOT , TR list , TR8 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:00:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Chicago Brit car swap meet. Hi Lists. A reminder about Chicago Brit car swap meet. Date is Feb 26 at DuPage County fairgrounds. Show starts early and is usually finished by 12:30. We will in our usual spot at the front of center rows in "Science" building. Please stop and say hello. If you need us to bring something for you, please let me know. Free freight is good. See you there. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 17:08:00 2012 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:07:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Paging some FOT folks Mark York, Joe Curry, Bobby Whitehead, Mike Mehl. I need contact phone numbers for the shirt orders. Email them to me when get a chance. Thanks,Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 16 17:11:59 2012 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:11:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT & Kastner Cup Shirts OK, this is your second to last call for the Kastner Cup and FOT t-shirts orders. If you want some and have not ordered yet now is the time. Still 13 shirts short of the 48 shirt minimum buy on the FOT shirts. If you are planning on competing and haven't given me your info for the back of the Kastner Cup shirt, now is the time for that also. Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 17 18:17:46 2012 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:17:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MITTY & FOT SHIRTS Just an FYI, we hit the minimum buy quantity on the FOT shirts so the order is a go. Also, we hit the 100 shirt mark on the Kastner Cup shirts tonight. We should be easy to spot at the Mitty. Still plenty of time to get your order in. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 18 07:16:30 2012 From: Ed Diehl To: "fot@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 06:10:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] E Mail was hacked Hello all. I wish to issue an apology to you if my E mail message caused anyone any grief. My contact list was hacked and it took Yahoo a day to get it resolved. Sorry about that. I hope to be back on the list. Thanks, Ed. Ed Diehl _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 19 09:29:58 2012 From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:09:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Plastigage I'm refreshing the bottom end of my GT6 - was too lazy to deal with the pistons and cam timing in order to do proper crank measurements, so I thought I would just slide in new bearings after a season. The crank looks good - it was nitrided and shows very little wear, but the bearings, checked with plastigage, were about 1/1000 looser than the original install at just under 2/1000s, so I thought I could recapture some of that difference with fresh bearings. That's worked out, but here's the punchline - I've been using green plastigage - .001-.003 range. Just for yucks I put a piece of red (.002-.006 range) in one of the mains across the oil channel from the green - where the green was measuring .0018 +/-, the red measured .0025! Tried a few more with the same results. I'm inclined to believe the green as the measurements are in the middle of it's measurement range (and it's the result I want!) - but am really surprised at the difference. Anybody have any plastigage expertise or stories they can add to this? BTW, I went out shopping for jewelry for my wife for her birthday yesterday, and was grumbling to myself about the price, then remembered that new 2010 helmet and hans device I'm about to order, and the trans rebuild I just paid for, and the engine work, and the first race weekend, and suddenly I was really happy Sara supports my racing, and the earrings looked pretty reasonable! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 19 11:57:29 2012 From: "Jim Gray" To: "'Scott Janzen'" , "''Friends of Triumph' Triumph'" Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:28:58 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] Plastigage Scott, What I've learned about plastigauge is I couldn't get repeatable results so I quit trying. If you think you need to take up a little slack in the clearance you can have the new bearings ceramic coated which will take up a small amount. Jim G. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:10 AM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Plastigage I'm refreshing the bottom end of my GT6 - was too lazy to deal with the pistons and cam timing in order to do proper crank measurements, so I thought I would just slide in new bearings after a season. The crank looks good - it was nitrided and shows very little wear, but the bearings, checked with plastigage, were about 1/1000 looser than the original install at just under 2/1000s, so I thought I could recapture some of that difference with fresh bearings. That's worked out, but here's the punchline - I've been using green plastigage - .001-.003 range. Just for yucks I put a piece of red (.002-.006 range) in one of the mains across the oil channel from the green - where the green was measuring .0018 +/-, the red measured .0025! Tried a few more with the same results. I'm inclined to believe the green as the measurements are in the middle of it's measurement range (and it's the result I want!) - but am really surprised at the difference. Anybody have any plastigage expertise or stories they can add to this? BTW, I went out shopping for jewelry for my wife for her birthday yesterday, and was grumbling to myself about the price, then remembered that new 2010 helmet and hans device I'm about to order, and the trans rebuild I just paid for, and the engine work, and the first race weekend, and suddenly I was really happy Sara supports my racing, and the earrings looked pretty reasonable! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 19 15:43:53 2012 From: "Enquiries Road & Track" To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:29:00 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re plastigauge this is a "tool" for reasonable estimates, not repeatable engineering measurements. it certainly has a place in engine work, but not if you are trying to work out tenths of a thou. for race applications, i first measure the main & rod tunnels, and correct them as needed. Then fit the shells into the caps and measure them, then grind the crank to suit. Triumph rods are normally all over the place with sizes, so if you want a perfect job, start there Terry O'Beirne- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 19 16:53:22 2012 From: marty sukey To: , FOT Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:27:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette Scott I am not sure it is proper to post this sort of thing on the list. There is at least one wife I know of on the list and now Brad might be in a "situation" and there is a possibility that said wife could share such info with other wife's in the FOT community and others of us might have similar "situations". I'm sure you now see how this could have a negative impact on you fellow FOT'rs racing budgets in the future. :) Marty > > BTW, I went out shopping for jewelry for my wife for her birthday yesterday, and was grumbling to myself about the price, then remembered that new 2010 helmet and hans device I'm about to order, and the trans rebuild I just paid for, and the engine work, and the first race weekend, and suddenly I was really happy Sara supports my racing, and the earrings looked pretty reasonable! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 19 17:08:50 2012 From: "Alexandre Camoletti" To: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:47:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] Nilos hub seal Dear Listers, Does anyone know the Nilos front hub seal order numbers for TR3/4? I have trouble in ordering these from the measurements as there are so many variations ! Is there any seller in the US who may supply whatever Nilos sets which will fit TR3-4 hubs and bearings? Thank you ! Cheers! Alex -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 10:43 am Subject: [Fot] Nilos hub seal Anyone have any experience using these as the inner bearing seal on front hubs? 'm thinking about using them to replace the felt seals on my GT6 that leak and all apart every time I disassemble the hubs. ______________________________________________ ot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ac@camoletti.ch _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 19 19:08:51 2012 From: Bobby Whitehead To: Scott Janzen Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:44:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] race cars versus jewelery you need a friend in the PAWN business...... The Pawn Star of CVAR Bobby Whitehead yes...it's a dirty plug for me with all the financial rewards for both.... the $$$ I make the $$$ I save all my friends.. ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Sun, February 19, 2012 10:09:45 AM Subject: [Fot] Plastigage I'm refreshing the bottom end of my GT6 - was too lazy to deal with the pistons and cam timing in order to do proper crank measurements, so I thought I would just slide in new bearings after a season. The crank looks good - it was nitrided and shows very little wear, but the bearings, checked with plastigage, were about 1/1000 looser than the original install at just under 2/1000s, so I thought I could recapture some of that difference with fresh bearings. That's worked out, but here's the punchline - I've been using green plastigage - .001-.003 range. Just for yucks I put a piece of red (.002-.006 range) in one of the mains across the oil channel from the green - where the green was measuring .0018 +/-, the red measured .0025! Tried a few more with the same results. I'm inclined to believe the green as the measurements are in the middle of it's measurement range (and it's the result I want!) - but am really surprised at the difference. Anybody have any plastigage expertise or stories they can add to this? BTW, I went out shopping for jewelry for my wife for her birthday yesterday, and was grumbling to myself about the price, then remembered that new 2010 helmet and hans device I'm about to order, and the trans rebuild I just paid for, and the engine work, and the first race weekend, and suddenly I was really happy Sara supports my racing, and the earrings looked pretty reasonable! _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster@att.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 08:01:56 2012 From: Robert Deanes To: marty sukey Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:37:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette I hear that all the time when my wife wants something......"you bought that for your car why can't I buy this or you buy me this"...I hide as much as I can...and then explain it later if I have too ! On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 6:27 PM, marty sukey wrote: > Scott I am not sure it is proper to post this sort of thing on the list. > There > is at least one wife I know of on the list and now Brad might be in a > "situation" and there is a possibility that said wife could share such info > with other wife's in the FOT community and others of us might have similar > "situations". I'm sure you now see how this could have a negative impact > on > you fellow FOT'rs racing budgets in the future. :) Marty > > > > BTW, I went out shopping for jewelry for my wife for her birthday > yesterday, > and was grumbling to myself about the price, then remembered that new 2010 > helmet and hans device I'm about to order, and the trans rebuild I just > paid > for, and the engine work, and the first race weekend, and suddenly I was > really happy Sara supports my racing, and the earrings looked pretty > reasonable! > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 08:44:30 2012 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:24:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette On 2/20/12 7:37 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > I hear that all the time when my wife wants something......"you bought that > for your car why can't I buy this or you buy me this"...I hide as much as I > can...and then explain it later if I have too ! > So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my dog. Teriann _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 09:44:04 2012 From: BillDentin@aol.com To: tjwakeman@gmail.com Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:24:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette In a message dated 02/20/2012 9:44:30 AM Central Standard Time, tjwakeman@gmail.com writes: > So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy > and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my > dog. > Hi Teriann... Cut the boys some slack. I think you are getting more than a little hairy chested bravado here. TRIUMPH is famous for its backyard-grass roots racing efforts, where budget management often requires creative accounting and outright skullduggery. But when push comes to shove, the racers I've known are all beholden to their mates and love them to death. They want to see them happy. Heck, most of the racing they do is done in hopes of getting a, "WOW!", from their mate. Late in life, my wife Shirley became obsessed with a new hobby (Quilting). No where near like racing cost wise, but far from a cheap hobby. She's completed 42 quilts in less than seven years. She makes several trips to the quilting shops every week, and when she enters the front door, you can hear them call out, "She's here! She's here! Release the payroll" As you can imagine, I have never ever questioned these expenditures. I encouraged her to get the best equipment she could buy. That actually goes against her nature, so early on I went with her to make sure she bought what she needed. It'll take her a century to spend anything close to what I've spent on racing. And it pleases me no end to see how happy it makes her. The relationship with your dog you brought up is a good analogy. Most dogs provide 'unconditional love' for little or no cost. That strikes me as the perfect personality trait for a racer's (and/or quilter's) mate. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 10:00:19 2012 From: Robert Deanes To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:40:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette Yes but she has her own spending spees and when I do track stuff she may take a vacation to Florida or somewhere near the beach. Last year I got her a boat..but made the family take a boating class, being a captain you would think that I would teach them, I let the Coast Guard Aux, teach them in a class where they had a test ! All passed so she really gets what she wants and I try to. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:24 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 2/20/12 7:37 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> I hear that all the time when my wife wants something......"you bought >> that >> for your car why can't I buy this or you buy me this"...I hide as much as >> I >> can...and then explain it later if I have too ! >> >> So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy > and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my dog. > > Teriann > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 11:41:51 2012 From: To: "Enquiries Road & Track" , Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:21:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] re plastigauge dial bore gauges and micrometers are much better than p-gauge art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:29 PM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] re plastigauge this is a "tool" for reasonable estimates, not repeatable engineering measurements. it certainly has a place in engine work, but not if you are trying to work out tenths of a thou. for race applications, i first measure the main & rod tunnels, and correct them as needed. Then fit the shells into the caps and measure them, then grind the crank to suit. Triumph rods are normally all over the place with sizes, so if you want a perfect job, start there Terry O'Beirne- _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside@southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4817 - Release Date: 02/18/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 11:58:38 2012 From: "Tylerpthompson@yahoo.com" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:35:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette Usually I get some great advice on this list. Me thinks that this is better discussed over pillow talk. Never be beaten by your wife! Ty Thompson Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:24 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > On 2/20/12 7:37 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: >> I hear that all the time when my wife wants something......"you bought that >> for your car why can't I buy this or you buy me this"...I hide as much as I >> can...and then explain it later if I have too ! >> > So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my dog. > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 15:10:40 2012 From: "william r tobin" To: "Robert Deanes" , "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:43:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette I'm taking an advanced welding class. Last week some of the guys were talking about how much it costs to go out drinking. I told them I'd been sober for over 23 years and with all the cash I saved, I can buy anything I want! Plus not having a wife........... Just bought a new Lincoln MIG welder. Just need to talk myself into the Mitty. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Deanes" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette > Yes but she has her own spending spees and when I do track stuff she may > take a vacation to Florida or somewhere near the beach. > Last year I got her a boat..but made the family take a boating class, > being > a captain you would think that I would teach them, I let the Coast Guard > Aux, teach them in a class where they had a test ! All passed so she > really > gets what she wants and I try to. > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:24 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman > wrote: > >> On 2/20/12 7:37 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: >> >>> I hear that all the time when my wife wants something......"you bought >>> that >>> for your car why can't I buy this or you buy me this"...I hide as much >>> as >>> I >>> can...and then explain it later if I have too ! >>> >>> So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy >> and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my >> dog. >> >> Teriann >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 15:41:17 2012 From: Joe Alexander To: william.tobin31@verizon.net, rfdeanes@gmail.com, tjwakeman@gmail.com Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:13:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette WE are expecting you at the MITTY. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: william r tobin To: Robert Deanes ; TeriAnn J. Wakeman Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette I'm taking an advanced welding class. Last week some of the guys were talking about how much it costs to go out drinking. I told them I'd been sober for over 23 years and with all the cash I saved, I can buy anything I want! Plus not having a wife........... Just bought a new Lincoln MIG welder. Just need to talk myself into the Mitty. Bill----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Deanes" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette > Yes but she has her own spending spees and when I do track stuff she may > take a vacation to Florida or somewhere near the beach. > Last year I got her a boat..but made the family take a boating class, > being > a captain you would think that I would teach them, I let the Coast Guard > Aux, teach them in a class where they had a test ! All passed so she > really > gets what she wants and I try to. > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:24 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman > wrote: > >> On 2/20/12 7:37 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: >> >>> I hear that all the time when my wife wants something......"you bought >>> that >>> for your car why can't I buy this or you buy me this"...I hide as much >>> as >>> I >>> can...and then explain it later if I have too ! >>> >>> So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy >> and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my >> dog. >> >> Teriann >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >> options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Feb 20 17:21:06 2012 From: "Rocky Entriken" To: "william r tobin" , "Robert Deanes" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:15:15 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette And then ... when I married for the second time.... She told me how much her ex smoked, three packs a day. I'd quit smoking some five years earlier. So I added up how much he pent on cigarettes a year and it came out to about what I was spending on my race car (Spitfire). Definitely I got the better deal. But I guess I really wasn't spending THAT much back then. I was only autocrossing it at the time and I wasn't all that fast. Explained that to her on a date one time. Her response; "You need to spend more on the car." Yeah, I had to marry that one! :-D 23 years next month. (And look what a 3-pack-a-day habit costs today!) Yes, if we can afford it, she gets pretty much what she wants. (And she's reasonable. And supportive.) --Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "william r tobin" To: "Robert Deanes" ; "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette > I'm taking an advanced welding class. Last week some of the guys were > talking about how much it costs to go out drinking. I told them I'd been > sober for over 23 years and with all the cash I saved, I can buy anything > I want! Plus not having a wife........... > Just bought a new Lincoln MIG welder. > Just need to talk myself into the Mitty. > Bill----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Deanes" > To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > Cc: "FoT Triumph" > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette > > >> Yes but she has her own spending spees and when I do track stuff she may >> take a vacation to Florida or somewhere near the beach. >> Last year I got her a boat..but made the family take a boating class, >> being >> a captain you would think that I would teach them, I let the Coast Guard >> Aux, teach them in a class where they had a test ! All passed so she >> really >> gets what she wants and I try to. >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:24 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman >> wrote: >> >>> On 2/20/12 7:37 AM, Robert Deanes wrote: >>> >>>> I hear that all the time when my wife wants something......"you bought >>>> that >>>> for your car why can't I buy this or you buy me this"...I hide as much >>>> as >>>> I >>>> can...and then explain it later if I have too ! >>>> >>>> So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy >>> and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my >>> dog. >>> >>> Teriann >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot@autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: >>> http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>> options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky@spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 21 14:40:44 2012 From: BillDentin@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 16:26:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup at the Mitty 2012... Amici... I'm in. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 21 18:55:59 2012 From: "David Kettler" To: , Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:54:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette My wife is at a quilting class right now. This allows me time to work in the shop so there is a benefit to both of us. I've been lucky to drag her to a racetrack a lot more lately - only because she has made friends with other crafters there! Dave -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:24 AM To: tjwakeman@gmail.com Cc: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette In a message dated 02/20/2012 9:44:30 AM Central Standard Time, tjwakeman@gmail.com writes: > So you get all the toys you can afford to try and make your life happy > and she gets, what? Kinda sounds like the relationship I have with my > dog. > Hi Teriann... Cut the boys some slack. I think you are getting more than a little hairy chested bravado here. TRIUMPH is famous for its backyard-grass roots racing efforts, where budget management often requires creative accounting and outright skullduggery. But when push comes to shove, the racers I've known are all beholden to their mates and love them to death. They want to see them happy. Heck, most of the racing they do is done in hopes of getting a, "WOW!", from their mate. Late in life, my wife Shirley became obsessed with a new hobby (Quilting). No where near like racing cost wise, but far from a cheap hobby. She's completed 42 quilts in less than seven years. She makes several trips to the quilting shops every week, and when she enters the front door, you can hear them call out, "She's here! She's here! Release the payroll" As you can imagine, I have never ever questioned these expenditures. I encouraged her to get the best equipment she could buy. That actually goes against her nature, so early on I went with her to make sure she bought what she needed. It'll take her a century to spend anything close to what I've spent on racing. And it pleases me no end to see how happy it makes her. The relationship with your dog you brought up is a good analogy. Most dogs provide 'unconditional love' for little or no cost. That strikes me as the perfect personality trait for a racer's (and/or quilter's) mate. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1@charter.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4819 - Release Date: 02/19/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 21 20:40:47 2012 From: marty sukey To: FOT Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:20:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty I was talking to Uncle Dave H. from TRF today. He is planning on attending the Mitty and will wrench for crew pass if anybody has one going unused. He is looking for a surf board of all things, some kind of project he has planned for the Mitty. If any of you beach bums has an old surf board you want to part with and can get it to the Mitty he would appreciate it. Dave is no longer on the list so you can contact him at TRF of drop me a line and I can get a hold of him. Marty _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 21 21:14:06 2012 From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:06:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT List Etiquette Rocky Entriken wrote: > > But I guess I really wasn't spending THAT much back then. I was only > autocrossing it at the time and I wasn't all that fast. Explained that > to her on a date one time. Her response; "You need to spend more on > the car." Yeah, I had to marry that one! :-D 23 years next month. Wow. Karen and I will be hitting the big 25 this August. She probably wouldn't be too happy if the silver I got her was something like new bearings for Killer's motor, or ... And Kas, I know it explicitly said "beer and chips" but I'm having a nice glass of a pinot that I like. Please forgive me. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Feb 21 21:41:09 2012 From: christopher bock To: FoTTriumph Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:29:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for pics Amici, I am still getting pics together for the calendar. Slowly. I am looking for GREEN colored cars, Cars in the weather (driving in the rain, snow,etc), Past Kas Cup winners and their cars, and is there a group shot of some previous year Kas cup starting grid? thanks Christopher Bock www.SeaCubeCo.com SeaCubeCo@aol.com (609) 319-4322 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 22 01:41:44 2012 From: TR4 Tony To: christopher bock Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:36:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Looking for pics My TR4 is heavily recycled .... Is that what you mean by GREEN ???? Sent from my iPhone On 22 Feb 2012, at 04:29, christopher bock wrote: > Amici, > I am still getting pics together for the calendar. Slowly. I am looking for > GREEN colored cars, Cars in the weather (driving in the rain, snow,etc), Past > Kas Cup winners and their cars, and is there a group shot of some previous > year Kas cup starting grid? > > > > thanks > > > Christopher Bock > www.SeaCubeCo.com > SeaCubeCo@aol.com > (609) 319-4322 > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony@virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 22 12:52:16 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: "'FoTTriumph'" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:50:11 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Germany is getting a new race track - opening this summer Have a look on the track layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR9bnxn86w8&feature=youtube_gdata_player Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 22 13:11:48 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: "'FoTTriumph'" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 21:11:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] Germany is getting a new race track - opening this summer Parts of this track are taken from the Nordschleife. It is not a 1:1 copy but a close copy. Von: Robert Deanes [mailto:rfdeanes@gmail.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2012 21:07 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Germany is getting a new race track - opening this summer nice, we could use one like that here in the states On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:50 PM, MadMarx wrote: Have a look on the track layout: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR9bnxn86w8 &feature=youtube_gdata_player Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 22 14:11:18 2012 From: REK46@aol.com To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:04:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) what is email of the guy who controls our blog _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 22 20:04:57 2012 From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 19:46:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] (no subject) REK46@aol.com wrote: > what is email of the guy who controls our blog > What do you mean "our blog" ?? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Feb 22 21:59:11 2012 From: Gt6steve@aol.com To: FOT@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:33:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... See if this link works. _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 05:42:19 2012 From: "william r tobin" To: , Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:30:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? I guess those arm restraints are there for a reason. Ditto the HANS. Glad the driver's OK. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number > 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then > dug > in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... > > See if this link works. > > > _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 06:58:55 2012 From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Gt6steve@aol.com, FOT@autox.team.net, william r tobin Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:33:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? The track appears to be Roebling Road, Savannah, GA. It looks like the axle broke going into the off camber turn four. -Ed- --- On Thu, 2/23/12, william r tobin wrote: From: william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? To: Gt6steve@aol.com, FOT@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 6:30 AM I guess those arm restraints are there for a reason. Ditto the HANS. Glad the driver's OK. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number > 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug > in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... > > See if this link works. > > > _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 07:13:52 2012 From: Joe Henry To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:06:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Entries Good Morning, Is there any way to get a preliminary list of entries for the Kastner Cup. Would love to see who is attending and what they are driving! Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 07:14:39 2012 From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:10:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO! Thanks to Gregg Rodgers @ Pinnacle Autosports we got the GT-6+ dialed in on the dyno. My car was the 1st mule to run in his new shop at Eagles Canyon this week. What started out a dismal 79 h.p. was soon dialed in with modifying the jets and the timing with the Mukini carb's set up...my brand new re-built harmonic balancer from Damper Doctor was at least 11 degrees off...lovely.... by early morning though we had 112 hp @ 6000 rpm ... AND getting an alignment was way over due as well.... should be ready for the weekend at Texas World as I'm 'fixin' to go to WalMart for groceries... this is my fun weekend before the MITTY... Bobby Whitehead 1970 GT-6+ #39 DP Puke Yellow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 07:44:27 2012 From: Mike Munson To: EDWARD BARNARD , "Gt6steve@aol.com" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? That is Mark Craig, one of our own, maybe he will chime in and tell us what happened. Mike From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Gt6steve@aol.com; FOT@autox.team.net; william r tobin Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? The track appears to be Roebling Road, Savannah, GA. It looks like the axle broke going into the off camber turn four. -Ed- --- On Thu, 2/23/12, william r tobin wrote: From: william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? To: Gt6steve@aol.com, FOT@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 6:30 AM I guess those arm restraints are there for a reason. Ditto the HANS. Glad the driver's OK. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number > 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug > in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... > > See if this link works. > > > _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 08:16:45 2012 From: Joe Alexander To: FOT@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:48:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? NOW ROAD ATLANTA Anyone have a report on recent Road Atlanta event with VCDA? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: EDWARD BARNARD ; Gt6steve ; FOT ; william r tobin Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 8:44 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? That is Mark Craig, one of our own, maybe he will chime in and tell us what happened. Mike From: EDWARD BARNARD To: Gt6steve@aol.com; FOT@autox.team.net; william r tobin Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? The track appears to be Roebling Road, Savannah, GA. It looks like the axle broke going into the off camber turn four. -Ed- --- On Thu, 2/23/12, william r tobin wrote: From: william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? To: Gt6steve@aol.com, FOT@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, February 23, 2012, 6:30 AM I guess those arm restraints are there for a reason. Ditto the HANS. Glad the driver's OK. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number > 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug > in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... > > See if this link works. > > > _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard@prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 08:45:21 2012 From: "Barr, Scott" To: , Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:19:04 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Yup, that's our own Mark Craig from Nashville. He was out hunting a new Spitfire a few weeks back. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:34 AM To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... See if this link works. _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 08:45:34 2012 From: BillDentin@aol.com To: n197tr4@cs.com, FOT@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:25:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? NOW ROAD ATLANTA In a message dated 02/23/2012 9:16:50 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: > Anyone have a report on recent Road Atlanta event with VCDA? > I understand that the event went well enough, but it sure had a very sad wrap up. Long time Florida/Minnesota racer, Bob Youngdahl, was killed in an accident while unloading at his shop in Sarasota. Apparently a winch hook holding the ramp/door in place came loose during the trip from Atlanta, and when Bob went to open it, it came crashing down, struck and killed him. Very, very sad. John Daniels (A/H & Sunbeam Tiger), another Minnesota racer and close friend of Bob's, said they raced together and had a ball at the event. We often forget that the trailer/towing aspects of our hobby are also very dangerous. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 09:20:32 2012 From: Christopher Bock To: "Barr, Scott" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:49:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? I have the complete body and frame for him. Only problem is I am in NJ. Anyone going to VIR or the Mitty that has room to get it there? I can make it a roller or keep it in pieces. Chris On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:19 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > Yup, that's our own Mark Craig from Nashville. He was out hunting a new > Spitfire a few weeks back. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Gt6steve@aol.com > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:34 AM > To: FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > > Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the > Number > 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then > dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine > trees.... > > See if this link works. > > > _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 09:21:06 2012 From: Christopher Bock To: FOT@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:59:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Begin forwarded message: > From: Christopher Bock > Date: February 23, 2012 10:56:21 AM EST > To: "Barr, Scott" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > > Oh I forgot to mention ....... If you can take only parts that will work. Whole it parts. As long as he gets them > > Chris > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:19 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > >> Yup, that's our own Mark Craig from Nashville. He was out hunting a new >> Spitfire a few weeks back. >> >> Scott B. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Gt6steve@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:34 AM >> To: FOT@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? >> >> Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the >> Number >> 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then >> dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine >> trees.... >> >> See if this link works. >> >> >> _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ >> (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 09:46:40 2012 From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: Christopher Bock Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:22:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Great video -- I am curios, it looks like in mid-roll he reaches down and shifts to neutral. Anybody else have a comment on that? On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Christopher Bock > > Date: February 23, 2012 10:56:21 AM EST > > To: "Barr, Scott" > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > > > > Oh I forgot to mention ....... If you can take only parts that will > work. > Whole it parts. As long as he gets them > > > > Chris > > > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:19 AM, "Barr, Scott" > wrote: > > > >> Yup, that's our own Mark Craig from Nashville. He was out hunting a new > >> Spitfire a few weeks back. > >> > >> Scott B. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > >> Behalf Of Gt6steve@aol.com > >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:34 AM > >> To: FOT@autox.team.net > >> Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > >> > >> Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the > >> Number > >> 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then > >> dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine > >> trees.... > >> > >> See if this link works. > >> > >> > >> _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > >> (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot@autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan@gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 09:47:13 2012 From: "john hasty" To: "'william r tobin'" , Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:21:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? It was at Savannah....rear axle broke....it rolled about 5 times John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of william r tobin Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:30 AM To: Gt6steve@aol.com; FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? I guess those arm restraints are there for a reason. Ditto the HANS. Glad the driver's OK. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number > 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then > dug > in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... > > See if this link works. > > > _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31@verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty@gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 10:01:00 2012 From: Diesel Performance Parts - Info To: "'fot@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:39:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] #4 at Savannah Morning FOT Members, I wanted to update everyone as the board has some posts asking about my recent accident at Savannah that has folks talking about who it was and such. Well it was me and the car will ride again in about a year. Going to the local NASCAR shop this weekend to use a surface plate to see how much if any the frame is tweaked. Then on to the body repair. It it's place is an old SCCA car from CT that will be my ride for now. We did well for a 1st time out at the VDCA Atlanta event. That VDCA event is, as always, an awesome event with more track time than most of us oldies care to use so plan your schedules accordingly. Now on to bad news I just heard about Bob Youngdahl and am terribly saddened. There has never been a nicer more helpful guy in the world. I have only known him for the 6-7 years but he has saved a race weekend for me more than once by borrowing his tools, equipment, knowledge and parts. No matter who and or what you needed he usually had it and was more than willing to give it to anyone that needed it. I hope the race gods keep that in mind so he can race all he wants now. We lost one that will be missed, I hope folks think of me when I go as I am thinking today about my short time knowing Bob. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax www.dieselperformanceparts.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 11:30:44 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:02:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Anyone seen the "hand work" at the steering when he is at normal ride? Only the right hand is "working" the left hand I just a "holder" or something like that. Never saw that way of drive before. Too bad that the car was crashed tough. All these Triumphs seem to suffer of weak axles. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve@aol.com Gesendet: Montag, 20. Februar 2012 17:34 An: FOT@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... See if this link works. _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 12:32:06 2012 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "MadMarx" , Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:06:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? << Anyone seen the "hand work" at the steering when he is at normal ride? Only the right hand is "working" the left hand I just a "holder" or something like that. Never saw that way of drive before. >> I'll send you one of my videos, then. There's no space between the Spitfire door and the seat's "wing" (rib area). I can't get my elbow down very low when turning left. Consequently, in left turns, my right hand does most of the work. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:02 PM To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Anyone seen the "hand work" at the steering when he is at normal ride? Only the right hand is "working" the left hand I just a "holder" or something like that. Never saw that way of drive before. Too bad that the car was crashed tough. All these Triumphs seem to suffer of weak axles. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve@aol.com Gesendet: Montag, 20. Februar 2012 17:34 An: FOT@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... See if this link works. _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 12:47:17 2012 From: "MadMarx" To: "'Barr, Scott'" , Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:23:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Hi Scott, it is okay, if the right hand is doing the work on a left hander but in this video at right handers the left hand is remaining in the same position and sliding along the steering rim. We have a spitfire in our group and I once had a sit check in that car and didn't find any interference of the elbow with the racing seat or the cage or the side impact protection. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2012 20:06 An: MadMarx; FOT@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? << Anyone seen the "hand work" at the steering when he is at normal ride? Only the right hand is "working" the left hand I just a "holder" or something like that. Never saw that way of drive before. >> I'll send you one of my videos, then. There's no space between the Spitfire door and the seat's "wing" (rib area). I can't get my elbow down very low when turning left. Consequently, in left turns, my right hand does most of the work. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:02 PM To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Anyone seen the "hand work" at the steering when he is at normal ride? Only the right hand is "working" the left hand I just a "holder" or something like that. Never saw that way of drive before. Too bad that the car was crashed tough. All these Triumphs seem to suffer of weak axles. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve@aol.com Gesendet: Montag, 20. Februar 2012 17:34 An: FOT@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... See if this link works. _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 15:01:24 2012 From: Robert Deanes To: Christopher Bock Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:56:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? I think Craig already has another car from the Northeast US, I'm sure he will sound in shortly On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Christopher Bock wrote: > I have the complete body and frame for him. Only problem is I am in NJ. > Anyone going to VIR or the Mitty that has room to get it there? I can > make > it a roller or keep it in pieces. > > > Chris > > On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:19 AM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > > > Yup, that's our own Mark Craig from Nashville. He was out hunting a new > > Spitfire a few weeks back. > > > > Scott B. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Gt6steve@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:34 AM > > To: FOT@autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > > > > Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the > > Number > > 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then > > dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine > > trees.... > > > > See if this link works. > > > > > > _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ > > (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot@autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes@gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 15:32:53 2012 From: tr4racing@googlemail.com To: "Barr, Scott" ,FOT@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:12:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? I did practice this pushing the wheel into corners a lot. Most instructors telling this. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Barr, Scott" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:31:38 To: MadMarx Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Ah. Yes, use of only the right hand in right-hand turns does seem a little odd. That said, I do prefer to pull the wheel toward me rather than pushing it away. Larger muscle groups are involved that way and the wheel is steadier. -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:24 PM To: Barr, Scott; FOT@autox.team.net Subject: AW: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Hi Scott, it is okay, if the right hand is doing the work on a left hander but in this video at right handers the left hand is remaining in the same position and sliding along the steering rim. We have a spitfire in our group and I once had a sit check in that car and didn't find any interference of the elbow with the racing seat or the cage or the side impact protection. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Barr, Scott [mailto:sbarr@McCarty-Law.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2012 20:06 An: MadMarx; FOT@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? << Anyone seen the "hand work" at the steering when he is at normal ride? Only the right hand is "working" the left hand I just a "holder" or something like that. Never saw that way of drive before. >> I'll send you one of my videos, then. There's no space between the Spitfire door and the seat's "wing" (rib area). I can't get my elbow down very low when turning left. Consequently, in left turns, my right hand does most of the work. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MadMarx Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:02 PM To: FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Anyone seen the "hand work" at the steering when he is at normal ride? Only the right hand is "working" the left hand I just a "holder" or something like that. Never saw that way of drive before. Too bad that the car was crashed tough. All these Triumphs seem to suffer of weak axles. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Gt6steve@aol.com Gesendet: Montag, 20. Februar 2012 17:34 An: FOT@autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Does anybody have the details of a Group 44 Spitty wearing just the Number 4 rolling recently? It seemed to snap spin for no apparent reason then dug in. One of our's no doubt. The track had a lot of big pine trees.... See if this link works. _http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012_ (http://sideways-technologies.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=6012) _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing@googlemail.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 17:01:28 2012 From: "Joe Guinan" To: , Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:57:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Mark - a couple of things... Really glad you weren't hurt and hope the car is salvageable. Can you provide details on what actually broke, and what Axles/U-Joints were in place? Spitfire building minds would like to know... ;-) Joe Guinan Fremont, NE _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 20:14:30 2012 From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: "Seto, Stan" , "Sharkey, Ian" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Email address hijacked All, My email address has been hijacked. Don't open any attachments unless you know the message is from me. Ed _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Feb 23 20:30:55 2012 From: "David Kettler" To: , , Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:17:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? NOW ROAD ATLANTA This news comes as a big shock. I just spent time with Bob at Sebring on the February 11/12 weekend. He was racing a Ginetta. We spent some time together showing me his red early 50's Austin Healy 100 that he was driving around the paddock. Found it at a buddy's race shop on a lift with a blown engine. Very nice original car. Bob will be missed... Dave Kettler -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:25 AM To: n197tr4@cs.com ; FOT@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? NOW ROAD ATLANTA In a message dated 02/23/2012 9:16:50 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4@cs.com writes: > Anyone have a report on recent Road Atlanta event with VCDA? > I understand that the event went well enough, but it sure had a very sad wrap up. Long time Florida/Minnesota racer, Bob Youngdahl, was killed in an accident while unloading at his shop in Sarasota. Apparently a winch hook holding the ramp/door in place came loose during the trip from Atlanta, and when Bob went to open it, it came crashing down, struck and killed him. Very, very sad. John Daniels (A/H & Sunbeam Tiger), another Minnesota racer and close friend of Bob's, said they raced together and had a ball at the event. We often forget that the trailer/towing aspects of our hobby are also very dangerous. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1@charter.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4827 - Release Date: 02/23/12 _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 09:29:51 2012 From: "john hasty" To: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:24:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Part Does anyone have an old/used oil pump filter screen that I could steel? I didn't realize that the flange on the screen was not available separately and now that we are building a deeper pick up I need the flange to make the extension tube to the bottom of the modified oil pan.....thanks for looking....... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 10:16:36 2012 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "john hasty" , Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:02:25 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] Part I assume you're looking for the later style TR6 oil pickup. I have a bunch of them. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "john hasty" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: [Fot] Part > Does anyone have an old/used oil pump filter screen that I could steel? I > didn't realize that the flange on the screen was not available separately > and now that we are building a deeper pick up I need the flange to make > the > extension tube to the bottom of the modified oil pan.....thanks for > looking....... > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 10:16:55 2012 From: "Joe Guinan" To: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:11:32 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Fot members, I received the following response from Mark, containing a request that I repost to the list. I'm somewhat familiar with the Summers Brothers Axle set-up for the Spitfire/GT6. Photos I have saved on my hard drive seem to include a U-Joint assembly that is different than the stock Triumph unit and utilizing Spicer parts. I don't have part numbers or knowledge of the history of what has been offered or used by others. I've discussed this topic with several on this list in years past, and I am pretty sure there is at least one FOTer who has done some development work on the hubs (Chuck Gee?), and I think that one of our members actually sells these Summers Brothers units (Joe Siam?). I certainly don't want to open up a can of worms, and appreciate the fact that these attempt to supply a need for a very small market. However, I would be really happy to have Mark's U-Joint issue cleared up for us so that we know what needs to be done to make these things work safely. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ***************************Original Message**************************************** Joe, I bought axles from Sommers Bros in CA. Told them what I had and they sent me new ones I installed then and thought I was safe. WRONG. Basically they used stock Spitfire u joint castings with new u joints. They did not tell me or ask me if I wanted to use Corvair parts, how the heck am I supposed to know about that need? They have been doing this for 30 years and they are supposed to be the experts and such right?? Anyway the u joint casting is sort of fine but the u joints themselves are weak and that is what failed. So now I got great axles that are splined to poor strength castings and no way to modify or reuse them to use them again. 2000.00 down the tubes thanks to Sommers Bros. Not to mention the potential life damage and or the damage done to the car overall. I don't know how to reply to these and have them appear on the site so if you do please do for the sake of others so they don't have this issue like I did. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 10:45:21 2012 From: To: FOT@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 9:36:07 -0800 Subject: [Fot] vintage racing South Carolina Hey gang! There is a gentelman in South Carolina who is interested in Vntage Racing with his Triumph and would like to speak with someone in his area knowledgable about the subject so he can prepare his car properly. Is there anybody in SC who can contact Charles Watson and get him headed in the right direction? Thanks, Joe Curry > From: Charles WATSON > To: > Subject: RE: [Triumph Spitfire & GT6 Forum] New reply: Re: vintage racing > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:08:48 -0500 > > > Joe - > > Thanks very much for the help. Per this email, I am at clw2000@msn.com > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > To: clw2000@msn.com > > Subject: [Triumph Spitfire & GT6 Forum] New reply: Re: vintage racing > > From: no-reply@triumphexperience.com > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:03:46 -0800 > > > > THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL. > > You are receiving this email because you are following the topic: > > > > Re: vintage racing > > > > spitlist wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Send me an email with your reply address and I will forward it to the FOT and hopefully someone in your area who is into vintage racing will be able to offer some assistance. > > > > Joe Curry > > spitlist@cox.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To POST A REPLY, click here: > > http://www.triumphexperience.com/phorum/read.php?8,725604,725850#msg-725850 > > > > To STOP following this topic click here: > > http://www.triumphexperience.com/phorum/follow.php?8,725604,stop=1 > > > > To TURN OFF email notifications for your new replies and topics, change > > "Which follow-topic options should be selected by default?" to "NONE" here: > > http://www.triumphexperience.com/phorum/control.php?0,panel=forum _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 11:18:08 2012 From: "john hasty" To: , Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:05:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] vintage racing South Carolina We are in Charlote, NC sounds like he may be just down the road.....tell him to give us a call and I can put him in touch with our tuner...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitlist@cox.net Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:36 PM To: FOT@autox.team.net Cc: clw2000@msn.com Subject: [Fot] vintage racing South Carolina Hey gang! There is a gentelman in South Carolina who is interested in Vntage Racing with his Triumph and would like to speak with someone in his area knowledgable about the subject so he can prepare his car properly. Is there anybody in SC who can contact Charles Watson and get him headed in the right direction? Thanks, Joe Curry > From: Charles WATSON > To: > Subject: RE: [Triumph Spitfire & GT6 Forum] New reply: Re: vintage > racing > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:08:48 -0500 > > > Joe - > > Thanks very much for the help. Per this email, I am at > clw2000@msn.com > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > To: clw2000@msn.com > > Subject: [Triumph Spitfire & GT6 Forum] New reply: Re: vintage > > racing > > From: no-reply@triumphexperience.com > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:03:46 -0800 > > > > THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE. 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Anyone have one for sale? Contact Tom Alberts at talberts50@hotmail.com. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 13:01:20 2012 From: George Harmuth To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:58:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 63, Issue 32 RE: Summers Bros Axles A list member, Russ Moore has a Spitfire axle design that uses Summer Bros Axles (I don't know if these are the same axles Mark has) and Corvair U joint flanges. Here's a list of the PNs from the Bill of Materials he sent me. I've had a set on my spitfire race car for a few years now with out any problems. Prior to that I had a set of Steve Johnson designed axles that were stronger that the stock ones, but used the stock spit U joints. I would break / wear out a joint at least once a season. One time it put me into the wall at Limerock. Russ has a shop, besides being a Spit racer, and can give you more details if you like. U-Joint NEAPCO 1-0153HD or Spicer 5-153 $12.08 -4 Outer roller bearing J-2012 Torrington $ 13.32 -4 Outer ball bearing R20ZZ or NDH 2993L07 $9.84 4 Seal Chicago Rawhide# 12330 $2.04 -4 Flange yoke NEAPCO 2-2-329 do not get Spicer equivalent-lacks material on ring $19.94 -3 Axle shaft yoke: GM 6255781 (standard Corvair part. www.larryscorvair.com among others Axle Picture http://historicracinggroup.yolasite.com/resources/Pictures/harmuth/axle.JPG G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spitfire _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 16:01:52 2012 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Joe Guinan" , Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:57:40 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? My Summers Bros Spitfire axle broke, too (vintage 2002-2003). My car very nearly went on its head as well. Mine broke at the taper from axle to the hub. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:12 AM To: fot@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Fot members, I received the following response from Mark, containing a request that I repost to the list. I'm somewhat familiar with the Summers Brothers Axle set-up for the Spitfire/GT6. Photos I have saved on my hard drive seem to include a U-Joint assembly that is different than the stock Triumph unit and utilizing Spicer parts. I don't have part numbers or knowledge of the history of what has been offered or used by others. I've discussed this topic with several on this list in years past, and I am pretty sure there is at least one FOTer who has done some development work on the hubs (Chuck Gee?), and I think that one of our members actually sells these Summers Brothers units (Joe Siam?). I certainly don't want to open up a can of worms, and appreciate the fact that these attempt to supply a need for a very small market. However, I would be really happy to have Mark's U-Joint issue cleared up for us so that we know what needs to be done to make these things work safely. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ***************************Original Message**************************************** Joe, I bought axles from Sommers Bros in CA. Told them what I had and they sent me new ones I installed then and thought I was safe. WRONG. Basically they used stock Spitfire u joint castings with new u joints. They did not tell me or ask me if I wanted to use Corvair parts, how the heck am I supposed to know about that need? They have been doing this for 30 years and they are supposed to be the experts and such right?? Anyway the u joint casting is sort of fine but the u joints themselves are weak and that is what failed. So now I got great axles that are splined to poor strength castings and no way to modify or reuse them to use them again. 2000.00 down the tubes thanks to Sommers Bros. Not to mention the potential life damage and or the damage done to the car overall. I don't know how to reply to these and have them appear on the site so if you do please do for the sake of others so they don't have this issue like I did. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 19:18:15 2012 From: Steven Groh To: "Barr, Scott" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:13:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Scott, were you running a welded rear when the axle snapped? Steve Groh '63 Spit Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2012, at 5:57 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > My Summers Bros Spitfire axle broke, too (vintage 2002-2003). My car > very nearly went on its head as well. Mine broke at the taper from axle > to the hub. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Guinan > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:12 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > > Fot members, > > I received the following response from Mark, containing a request that I > repost to the list. > > I'm somewhat familiar with the Summers Brothers Axle set-up for the > Spitfire/GT6. Photos I have saved on my hard drive seem to include a > U-Joint assembly that is different than the stock Triumph unit and > utilizing Spicer parts. I don't have part numbers or knowledge of the > history of what has been offered or used by others. I've discussed this > topic with several on this list in years past, and I am pretty sure > there is at least one FOTer who has done some development work on the > hubs (Chuck Gee?), and I think that one of our members actually sells > these Summers Brothers units (Joe Siam?). > > I certainly don't want to open up a can of worms, and appreciate the > fact that these attempt to supply a need for a very small market. > However, I would be really happy to have Mark's U-Joint issue cleared up > for us so that we know what needs to be done to make these things work > safely. > > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > > ***************************Original > Message**************************************** > Joe, > > I bought axles from Sommers Bros in CA. Told them what I had and they > sent me new ones I installed then and thought I was safe. WRONG. > Basically they used stock Spitfire u joint castings with new u joints. > They did not tell me or ask me if I wanted to use Corvair parts, how the > heck am I supposed to know about that need? They have been doing this > for 30 years and they are supposed to be the experts and such right?? > Anyway the u joint casting is sort of fine but the u joints themselves > are weak and that is what failed. > So now I got great axles that are splined to poor strength castings and > no way to modify or reuse them to use them again. 2000.00 down the tubes > thanks to Sommers Bros. Not to mention the potential life damage and or > the damage done to the car overall. > > I don't know how to reply to these and have them appear on the site so > if you do please do for the sake of others so they don't have this issue > like I did. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 19:49:30 2012 From: Steven Groh To: George Harmuth Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:42:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 63, Issue 32 Ditto that! Russ redid my u-joints just as George references when the stock ones gave out at WGI - I lost an entire bearing out of a yoke out there somewhere on track and that could have resulted in one hell of a crash - no problems now, Russ's setup is very stout! I recommend it HIGHLY!!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2012, at 2:58 PM, George Harmuth wrote: > RE: Summers Bros Axles > A list member, Russ Moore has a Spitfire axle design that uses Summer Bros > Axles (I don't know if these are the same axles Mark has) and Corvair U > joint flanges. > Here's a list of the PNs from the Bill of Materials he sent me. I've had a > set on my spitfire race car for a few years now with out any problems. > Prior to that I had a set of Steve Johnson designed axles that were > stronger that the stock ones, but used the stock spit U joints. I would > break / wear out a joint at least once a season. One time it put me into > the wall at Limerock. > > Russ has a shop, besides being a Spit racer, and can give you more details > if you like. > > U-Joint NEAPCO 1-0153HD or Spicer 5-153 $12.08 -4 > Outer roller bearing J-2012 Torrington $ 13.32 -4 > Outer ball bearing R20ZZ or NDH 2993L07 $9.84 4 > Seal Chicago Rawhide# 12330 $2.04 -4 > Flange yoke NEAPCO 2-2-329 do not get Spicer equivalent-lacks material on > ring $19.94 -3 > Axle shaft yoke: GM 6255781 (standard Corvair part. www.larryscorvair.com > among others > > Axle Picture > http://historicracinggroup.yolasite.com/resources/Pictures/harmuth/axle.JPG > > > G. Michael Harmuth > 63 Spitfire > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 24 21:19:08 2012 From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "john hasty" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:20:04 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] Part I'm guessing the TR6 is nothing like the TR4, the screen for the TR6 oil pump is attached to a threaded nipple and screws into the oil pump. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "john hasty" To: "'Charly Mitchel'" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Part > Gee, I don't know Charlie.... It was a 1962 TR4 motor with the straight > screen about 12" long....what I need is the triangular two bolt flange > where > the screen bolts onto the pump.... > > > John H. Hasty > Attorney At Law > Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. > 719 East Boulevard > Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 > Tele: (704) 372-5600 > Fax: (704) 372-4601 > E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com > www.gdhs.com > > PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) > is > intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information > that > is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. > If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the > message > and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations > regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated > otherwise, > any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) > is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of > (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, > marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter > addressed herein. > -----Original Message----- > From: Charly Mitchel [mailto:charly@mitchelplumbing.com] > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 12:02 PM > To: john hasty; FOT@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Part > > I assume you're looking for the later style TR6 oil pickup. I have a > bunch > of them. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john hasty" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:24 AM > Subject: [Fot] Part > > >> Does anyone have an old/used oil pump filter screen that I could >> steel? I didn't realize that the flange on the screen was not >> available separately and now that we are building a deeper pick up I >> need the flange to make the extension tube to the bottom of the >> modified oil pan.....thanks for looking....... >> >> John H. Hasty >> Attorney At Law >> Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. >> 719 East Boulevard >> Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 >> Tele: (704) 372-5600 >> Fax: (704) 372-4601 >> E-mail: jhhasty@gdhs.com >> www.gdhs.com >> >> PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any >> attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may >> contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may >> contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. >> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that >> any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies >> of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank >> you. >> >> IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS >> regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly >> stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication >> (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and >> cannot be used, for purposes of >> (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) >> promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction >> or matter addressed herein. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot@autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly@mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 9ef3_12.JPG] _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 25 08:01:41 2012 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Steven Groh" Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 08:56:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? No - I have a Quaife. Scott -----Original Message----- From: Steven Groh [mailto:sgroh1@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:14 PM To: Barr, Scott Cc: Joe Guinan; Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Scott, were you running a welded rear when the axle snapped? Steve Groh '63 Spit Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2012, at 5:57 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > My Summers Bros Spitfire axle broke, too (vintage 2002-2003). My car > very nearly went on its head as well. Mine broke at the taper from > axle to the hub. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Joe Guinan > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:12 AM > To: fot@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? > > Fot members, > > I received the following response from Mark, containing a request that > I repost to the list. > > I'm somewhat familiar with the Summers Brothers Axle set-up for the > Spitfire/GT6. Photos I have saved on my hard drive seem to include a > U-Joint assembly that is different than the stock Triumph unit and > utilizing Spicer parts. I don't have part numbers or knowledge of the > history of what has been offered or used by others. I've discussed > this topic with several on this list in years past, and I am pretty > sure there is at least one FOTer who has done some development work on > the hubs (Chuck Gee?), and I think that one of our members actually > sells these Summers Brothers units (Joe Siam?). > > I certainly don't want to open up a can of worms, and appreciate the > fact that these attempt to supply a need for a very small market. > However, I would be really happy to have Mark's U-Joint issue cleared > up for us so that we know what needs to be done to make these things > work safely. > > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > > ***************************Original > Message**************************************** > Joe, > > I bought axles from Sommers Bros in CA. Told them what I had and they > sent me new ones I installed then and thought I was safe. WRONG. > Basically they used stock Spitfire u joint castings with new u joints. > They did not tell me or ask me if I wanted to use Corvair parts, how > the heck am I supposed to know about that need? They have been doing > this for 30 years and they are supposed to be the experts and such right?? > Anyway the u joint casting is sort of fine but the u joints themselves > are weak and that is what failed. > So now I got great axles that are splined to poor strength castings > and no way to modify or reuse them to use them again. 2000.00 down the > tubes thanks to Sommers Bros. Not to mention the potential life damage > and or the damage done to the car overall. > > I don't know how to reply to these and have them appear on the site so > if you do please do for the sake of others so they don't have this > issue like I did. > > Mark Craig > Diesel Performance Parts, INC. > 411 Allied Drive > Nashville, TN 37211 > 866-455-7788 Phone > 615-834-9923 Fax > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr@mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot@autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1@comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 25 12:33:35 2012 From: Tim Pettenati <1964spitfire@pacbell.net> To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:33:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 63, Issue 32 Thanks for providing the list of parts. I'm in the process of rebuilding my axles, so I've found it very helpful. I don't have Summers Bros axles but some of the parts I have are similar to your list. U-joints - See if you can use the Spicer 5-1310X (no zerc) or 5-810X (zerc on bearing cap) http://www.northerndrivetrain.com/product/SPI-5-1310X.html These both have a much beefier center section. I'd prefer to use a u-joint without the zerc fitting in the center section. But if you must make sure it is under compression during acceleration. Cheers, Tim ----- Original Message ---- From: George Harmuth To: fot@autox.team.net Sent: Fri, February 24, 2012 11:58:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 63, Issue 32 RE: Summers Bros Axles A list member, Russ Moore has a Spitfire axle design that uses Summer Bros Axles (I don't know if these are the same axles Mark has) and Corvair U joint flanges. Here's a list of the PNs from the Bill of Materials he sent me. I've had a set on my spitfire race car for a few years now with out any problems. Prior to that I had a set of Steve Johnson designed axles that were stronger that the stock ones, but used the stock spit U joints. I would break / wear out a joint at least once a season. One time it put me into the wall at Limerock. Russ has a shop, besides being a Spit racer, and can give you more details if you like. U-Joint NEAPCO 1-0153HD or Spicer 5-153 $12.08 -4 Outer roller bearing J-2012 Torrington $ 13.32 -4 Outer ball bearing R20ZZ or NDH 2993L07 $9.84 4 Seal Chicago Rawhide# 12330 $2.04 -4 Flange yoke NEAPCO 2-2-329 do not get Spicer equivalent-lacks material on ring $19.94 -3 Axle shaft yoke: GM 6255781 (standard Corvair part. www.larryscorvair.com among others Axle Picture http://historicracinggroup.yolasite.com/resources/Pictures/harmuth/axle.JPG G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spitfire _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire@pacbell.net _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 25 15:31:56 2012 From: "Barr, Scott" To: "Steven Groh" , Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:26:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45 degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin. Hard to miss. Scott B. Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: Steven Groh To: "Barr, Scott" Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover? _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 26 06:19:52 2012 From: Bob Davis To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:04:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber carb jetting Question for the weber carb users of the group. Can 40 dcoe carbs be choked and jetted adequately for a TR3/TR4 race engine in the 11.0 compression range? Also the carbs on offer to me are jetted: Choke 33- AUX VENTURI 4.5- MAIN JET 135- EMULSION TUBE F16-AIR CORRECTION JET 170- IDLE JET 55F8 thxx, Bob _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 26 13:07:18 2012 From: Joe Alexander To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:00:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] notes from a car show..... Invitation only car show in Iowa. And they pay you to come. Kinda cool, but no one has any nostalgic point of reference to an almost 'one of a kind' AMBRO. Bo Duke has been signing autographs for two days at $15.00 and up. MY autograph is free, but no takers..... Set several small children in the driver's seat.....only scared one of them. But having Sean and Brendan here....priceless. Thought I was having trouble with my cataracts fogging last night at the SUPER 8, but it was Brenda and Sean. Bo Duke stayed at the AMERICINN. For another $10 dollars we could have stayed there and got an autograph in the lounge for free. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4@cs.com _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 26 14:21:05 2012 From: "Greg Solow" To: "Bob Davis" , Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:11:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb jetting The jetting is probably not far off, but the carbs are really to small for the size and breathing capacity of the engine for racing. The largest size chokes made for a 40 dcoe is 36 mm. We have found on the dyno that 45 dcoe carburators on a full race 87mm engine use 38mm chokes with 5.0 auxiliary venturies for best power throughout the rpm range. Smaller chokes than that start to kill the power above 5500 rpm without helping lower down, this would be with a cam of over 295 degrees duration where the engine "comes on the can" about 3800 rpm. If you are using a cam that is shorter than 290 degrees duration, smaller chokes might be ok. for the best power in the range the engine will be running. Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From fot-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 26 14:36:02 2012 From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:27:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber carb jetting That jetting was pretty close to what I was running on The White Car for a while. It had about 11 to 1 compression but was a street motor with stock cam, mild port work on the intakes, decent header. For full race even 42s would be a bit small, 45s would be better. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot@autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums