Subject: Re: [Fot] Shop building thoughts

From: David Gott via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 22:24:52 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi Scott, you will want 12=E2=80=99 for a lift. Currently part way through =
a build; wall height 11=E2=80=99 but also using scissor trusses to have a 1=
5=E2=80=99 peak, more than enough for a 2 post list. I figure it=E2=80=99s =
2 TR=E2=80=99s tall end to end. LOL. I think you can do 10=E2=80=99 if you =
have some scissor trusses, you will appreciate the extra height.Hope that h=
elps!Dave G

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If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 4-pos=
t lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of interio=
r height/wall height would you go for?=C2=A0 With our collection of Triumph=
s and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.=C2=A0 Is=
 12 feet necessary?
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regiousness of eyesore=E2=80=A6
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Hi Scott,  you will want 12=E2=80=99 for a lift.  Currently part way throug=
h a build; wall height 11=E2=80=99 but also using scissor trusses to have a=
 15=E2=80=99 peak, more than enough for a 2 post list.   I figure it=E2=80=
=99s 2 TR=E2=80=99s tall end to end.  LOL.   I think you can do 10=E2=80=99=
 if you have some scissor trusses, you will appreciate the extra height.

Hope that helps!

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other projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?&=
nbsp; With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer
 Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.&nbsp; Is 12 feet necessa=
ry?</p>=20
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From: "JS Performance Motoring, LLC via Fot" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 17:37:32 -0500

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Scott,

Go at least 12ft.

My dad's shop is 11ft.  I left some marks on his ceiling with my GT6 bonnet
when using his 4 post years ago.   I'm not sure if he knows about it,  so
shhhhh.  :-D

If you are building from scratch, pour plenty of concrete to have the
option to install a 2 post lift.  I much prefer working under a 2 post.

Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring, LLC
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> If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a
> 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of
> interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of
> Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.
> Is 12 feet necessary?
>
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> Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Scott,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Go at least 12ft.=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">My dad&#39;s shop is=
 11ft.=C2=A0 I left some marks on his ceiling with my GT6 bonnet when using=
 his 4 post years ago.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;m not sure if he knows about it,=
=C2=A0 so shhhhh.=C2=A0 :-D</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you are buil=
ding from scratch, pour plenty of concrete to have the option to install a =
2 post lift.=C2=A0 I much prefer working under a 2 post.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
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div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Jason Sukey</div><di=
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r collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer
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Scott

I built a 30x40 with 10 foot walls and a 10x10 roll up door centered in the
front.  I have a 2 post in the forward 20" and a 4 post straight behind it,
although that one is portable. I've had pickup trucks and a Land Rover on
my lift, although that is rare. If I was doing a narrower shop I would have
had to go to 12' walls and pay the extra. I, do wish I had done 10' more
depth.

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go to 12&#39; walls and pay the extra. I, do wish I had done 10&#39; more d=
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 About 10 years ago I put an extension onto my barn designed by Dan Ferguso=
n (whom some of you may know as a vintage MGA racer). =C2=A0We did it 25 fe=
et wide and 44 feet long, 12-1/2 foot ceiling. =C2=A0Dimensions were dictat=
ed by proportions to the existing structure.) Hindsight says it should have=
 been about 4 feet wider to give me an extra foot or two on each side of th=
e car. =C2=A0It has two four post lifts for storage and a 2-post for servic=
e. =C2=A0As someone pointed out earlier, even at 12-1/2 feet I need to make=
 sure I close the hoods of some cars before lifting the cars to max height.=
 =C2=A0I find the four posters are better for service on my Jag and TR due =
to the low ground clearance of the cars coupled with an ancient two post li=
ft (likely older than my 4A), unless of course I am doing suspension or bra=
ke work. =C2=A0Footings under the two poster uprights are 10" thick. =C2=A0=
The entire floor area is at least 4" thick with a wire mesh reinforcement, =
4000 pound concrete.
Two very valuable tips from Grassroots Motorsports: 1) put all storage some=
where other than your garage area and workshop. =C2=A0Storage has a way of =
taking over space. 2) put as much as possible on wheels so it can be readil=
y moved. =C2=A0
Happy Planning!
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If you were going to put up a new shop building, and wanted to have a 4-pos=
t lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort of interio=
r height/wall height would you go for?=C2=A0 With our collection of Triumph=
s and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.=C2=A0 Is=
 12 feet necessary?
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Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived eg=
regiousness of eyesore=E2=80=A6
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">About 10 years ago I put an =
extension onto my barn designed by Dan Ferguson (whom some of you may know =
as a vintage MGA racer). &nbsp;We did it 25 feet wide and 44 feet long, 12-=
1/2 foot ceiling. &nbsp;Dimensions were dictated by proportions to the exis=
ting structure.) Hindsight says it should have been about 4 feet wider to g=
ive me an extra foot or two on each side of the car. &nbsp;It has two four =
post lifts for storage and a 2-post for service. &nbsp;As someone pointed o=
ut earlier, even at 12-1/2 feet I need to make sure I close the hoods of so=
me cars before lifting the cars to max height. &nbsp;I find the four poster=
s are better for service on my Jag and TR due to the low ground clearance o=
f the cars coupled with an ancient two post lift (likely older than my 4A),=
 unless of course I am doing suspension or brake work. &nbsp;Footings under=
 the two poster uprights are 10" thick. &nbsp;The entire floor area is at l=
east 4" thick with a wire mesh reinforcement, 4000 pound concrete.</div><di=
v><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Two very valuable tips f=
rom Grassroots Motorsports: 1) put all storage somewhere other than your ga=
rage area and workshop. &nbsp;Storage has a way of taking over space. 2) pu=
t as much as possible on wheels so it can be readily moved. &nbsp;</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
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<p class=3D"yiv4726576953MsoNormal">If you were going to put up a new shop =
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other projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?&=
nbsp; With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer
 Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.&nbsp; Is 12 feet necessa=
ry?</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv4726576953MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv4726576953MsoNormal">Looking to minimize possible spousal ob=
jections concerning the perceived egregiousness of eyesore=E2=80=A6</p>=20
<p class=3D"yiv4726576953MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I have a two post in my garage with a 10=E2=80=99 ce=
iling. I wish it was 12=E2=80=99, but it is good enough for the TR6, Miata, =
FV, and the like. Way too short to get the truck all the way up though.&nbsp=
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t is not having 10=E2=80=99 or better doors. &nbsp;The 8=E2=80=99 doors make=
 it impossible to get the van inside (E350 with telescopic 45=E2=80=99 mast f=
or radio work) and very difficult to get heavy machinery in/out. I wish ther=
e was a concrete pad outside the door as well.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">On a side note, I got my 2 post for free. My FIL u=
sed to install new lifts for auto dealerships. Apparently they replace them e=
very 5-7 years when they are fully depreciated. The old ones are sold for sc=
rap. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 23, 2026, at 20:00, vfracing=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">About 10 years ago I put an e=
xtension onto my barn designed by Dan Ferguson (whom some of you may know as=
 a vintage MGA racer). &nbsp;We did it 25 feet wide and 44 feet long, 12-1/2=
 foot ceiling. &nbsp;Dimensions were dictated by proportions to the existing=
 structure.) Hindsight says it should have been about 4 feet wider to give m=
e an extra foot or two on each side of the car. &nbsp;It has two four post l=
ifts for storage and a 2-post for service. &nbsp;As someone pointed out earl=
ier, even at 12-1/2 feet I need to make sure I close the hoods of some cars b=
efore lifting the cars to max height. &nbsp;I find the four posters are bett=
er for service on my Jag and TR due to the low ground clearance of the cars c=
oupled with an ancient two post lift (likely older than my 4A), unless of co=
urse I am doing suspension or brake work. &nbsp;Footings under the two poste=
r uprights are 10" thick. &nbsp;The entire floor area is at least 4" thick w=
ith a wire mesh reinforcement, 4000 pound concrete.</div><div><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Two very valuable tips from Grassroots Mo=
torsports: 1) put all storage somewhere other than your garage area and work=
shop. &nbsp;Storage has a way of taking over space. 2) put as much as possib=
le on wheels so it can be readily moved. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
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her projects, what sort of interior height/wall height would you go for?&nbs=
p; With our collection of Triumphs and Spec Racer
 Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.&nbsp; Is 12 feet necessar=
y?</p>=20
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I agree with Scotts assessment.
We built a 30x40 barn with 14 foot ceiling with an asymmetrical lift . We
could lift almost anything.
Times change and we sold the house and barn with the great space.
Instead we ended up on a lake shore lot and could only built a 22x26'
detached work shop.
I planned to use a vaulted ceiling that at the peak was at 11 foot.
Works well for all the sports cars I restore but larger vehicles have
issues fitting.
I did many frame offs on 2 BMW E10 2002's and currently finishing a frame
off on a 1968 TR250.
Purchased an portable lift but still able to lift at full height depending
on the vehicle.
Glenn Franco
TR6, TR250 BMW 2002, Sold MGTC, Miata, Suzuki Samurai

On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 7:45=E2=80=AFPM vfracing--- via Fot <[email-masked]=
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> About 10 years ago I put an extension onto my barn designed by Dan
> Ferguson (whom some of you may know as a vintage MGA racer).  We did it 2=
5
> feet wide and 44 feet long, 12-1/2 foot ceiling.  Dimensions were dictate=
d
> by proportions to the existing structure.) Hindsight says it should have
> been about 4 feet wider to give me an extra foot or two on each side of t=
he
> car.  It has two four post lifts for storage and a 2-post for service.  A=
s
> someone pointed out earlier, even at 12-1/2 feet I need to make sure I
> close the hoods of some cars before lifting the cars to max height.  I fi=
nd
> the four posters are better for service on my Jag and TR due to the low
> ground clearance of the cars coupled with an ancient two post lift (likel=
y
> older than my 4A), unless of course I am doing suspension or brake work.
> Footings under the two poster uprights are 10" thick.  The entire floor
> area is at least 4" thick with a wire mesh reinforcement, 4000 pound
> concrete.
>
> Two very valuable tips from Grassroots Motorsports: 1) put all storage
> somewhere other than your garage area and workshop.  Storage has a way of
> taking over space. 2) put as much as possible on wheels so it can be
> readily moved.
>
> Happy Planning!
>
> Phil
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I agree with Scotts assessment.</div><div>We built a =
30x40 barn with 14 foot ceiling with an asymmetrical lift . We could lift a=
lmost anything.</div><div>Times change and we sold the house and barn with =
the great space.</div><div>Instead we ended up on a lake shore lot and coul=
d only built a 22x26&#39; detached work shop.</div><div>I planned to use a =
vaulted ceiling that at the peak was at 11 foot.</div><div>Works well for a=
ll the sports cars I restore but larger vehicles have issues fitting.</div>=
<div>I did many frame offs on 2 BMW E10 2002&#39;s and currently finishing =
a frame off on a 1968 TR250.</div><div>Purchased an portable lift but still=
 able to lift at full height depending on the vehicle.</div><div>Glenn Fran=
co</div><div>TR6, TR250 BMW 2002, Sold MGTC, Miata, Suzuki Samurai<br></div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 7:45=E2=80=AFPM vfracing--- =
via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
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iv style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">About 10 years ago I put an extension onto my barn=
 designed by Dan Ferguson (whom some of you may know as a vintage MGA racer=
).=C2=A0 We did it 25 feet wide and 44 feet long, 12-1/2 foot ceiling.=C2=
=A0 Dimensions were dictated by proportions to the existing structure.) Hin=
dsight says it should have been about 4 feet wider to give me an extra foot=
 or two on each side of the car.=C2=A0 It has two four post lifts for stora=
ge and a 2-post for service.=C2=A0 As someone pointed out earlier, even at =
12-1/2 feet I need to make sure I close the hoods of some cars before lifti=
ng the cars to max height.=C2=A0 I find the four posters are better for ser=
vice on my Jag and TR due to the low ground clearance of the cars coupled w=
ith an ancient two post lift (likely older than my 4A), unless of course I =
am doing suspension or brake work.=C2=A0 Footings under the two poster upri=
ghts are 10&quot; thick.=C2=A0 The entire floor area is at least 4&quot; th=
ick with a wire mesh reinforcement, 4000 pound concrete.</div><div><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">Two very valuable tips from Grassroots Motorsports: 1) p=
ut all storage somewhere other than your garage area and workshop.=C2=A0 St=
orage has a way of taking over space. 2) put as much as possible on wheels =
so it can be readily moved. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
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mphs and Spec Racer
 Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 feet.=C2=A0 Is 12 feet necessa=
ry?</p>=20
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<p>Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the perceived=
 egregiousness of eyesore=E2=80=A6</p>=20
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From: Mark Bradakis via Fot <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2026 19:44:16 -0700

On 1/23/26 6:13 PM, gblake58tr3--- via Fot wrote:
> 
> Build as big as you can from the get go, it will never be enough space, 
> and it will never be cheaper

Shortly after we got our house in 1986, we had the old garage replaced. 
Went about as big as we could given the lot size.  I wake up one morning 
to the sounds of a crew getting the forms finished for the pouring of 
the slab.  I amble out there, take a look and start yelling "Stop!  Stop!"

The foreman comes over to chat, and I tell him the slab is too small, it 
is supposed to be 20 feet wide and 24 feet deep.  He huffs and puffs and 
says he is following the blueprints, he is right, the crew built the 
form exactly as they should have, and so on.  He says "Let's go look at 
the plans and I'll show you."  We walk to his truck, he gets out the 
plans, looks at them a moment, quickly rolls them up and says "Let's go 
take another look."

Turns out the specs did NOT say "20 feet by 24 feet" but something like 
the depth of the old garage by the depth plus 4 feet, something weird 
like that.  By this time the truck is there pouring cement.  He then has 
his crew build more forms, adding 2 feet per side and 4 feet to the 
rear, making it 20 x 24.  So another truck came by the next day and 
poured the outside extensions.

So if you are ever in my garage and look at the seams in the floor, you 
will know why they are the way they are.

mjb.

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Scott (B)

To appease your wife, consider what I did, build it with a reverse 
dormer and the shop can become more attractive than an average 
garage/shop.  I have an 11 foot door with my 2 post lift on the left 
side (open to the roof) and on the right side, a standard door for one 
story usage with a second floor wood shop above it. It is pole barn 
construction.   (Photo Attached)

Jason is correct with the concrete for the lift. They recommend at least 
6" in the area of the 2 post lift.

Mike Kurtz
TR6 & 2500 M TVR

On 1/23/2026 5:17 PM, Barr, Scott via Fot wrote:
> 4-post lift (or two) for your race cars and other projects, what sort 
> of interior height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection 
> of Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away with 10 
> feet.  Is 12 feet necessary?
>
> Looking to minimize possible spousal objections concerning the 
> perceived egregiousness of eyesore…
>
> Scott (B.)
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    <font face="Times New Roman">Scott (B)<br>
      <br>
      To appease your wife, consider what I did, build it with a reverse
      dormer and the shop can become more attractive than an average
      garage/shop.  I have an 11 foot door with my 2 post lift on the
      left side (open to the roof) and on the right side, a standard
      door for one story usage with a second floor wood shop above it.
      It is pole barn construction.   (Photo Attached)<br>
      <br>
      Jason is correct with the concrete for the lift. They recommend at
      least 6" in the area of the 2 post lift. <br>
      <br>
      Mike Kurtz<br>
      TR6 &amp; 2500 M TVR<br>
      <br>
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          race cars and other projects, what sort of interior
          height/wall height would you go for?  With our collection of
          Triumphs and Spec Racer Fords, I feel like I could get away
          with 10 feet.  Is 12 feet necessary?<o:p></o:p></p>
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