From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 01:49:13 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Bob Spidell Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:48:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating In the UK and IRL they often used tap water as well. Kees Oudesluijs Bob Spidell wrote: > re: "You hardly see > that on cars that have been driving around in northern and middle Europe > bar Great Britain and Ireland." > > > What do they use? Beer? > > > bs > > -------------------------------- > Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oudesluys" > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:23:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating > > Any mains tap water in the so called civilized world has impurities in > it e.g. some form of disinfectant, mainly some kind of chloride compound > I believe. Often fluoride is added as well and the water is made > "harder" for health reasons by the water authorities. Have a look in > your wifes steam iron, the coffee machine or the water boiler. > These sediments react with the iron, brass and aluminium present in your > engines and cooling systems and cause havoc in the long run. > We have a lot of USA imports (classics) over here from the sunny > states. Many rust free cars but practically all radiators are scrap as > they are silted up because of the use of plain tap water. You hardly see > that on cars that have been driving around in northern and middle Europe > bar Great Britain and Ireland. > Kees Oudesluijs > NL [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 03:00:59 2010 From: Oudesluys To: John Soderling Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:54:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch Judder Continued Soggy engine/transmission mounts is the most common problem with clutch judder. Kees Oudesluijs NL John Soderling wrote: > I have also had some annoying clutch judder when starting out in 2nd gear. I > assumed it was due to a little oil on the clutch plate since Erika doesn't > have a rear seal. With the transmission cover off for the slave cylinder > work, I also noticed that my rubber transmission mounts had pretty much > disintegrated and were the consistency of firm Jell-O. So I replaced them and > guess what. Presto, the clutch judder was gone! I guess the tranny and > clutch/engine shafts were slightly out of align due to the failed tranny > mounts. So if you have some clutch judder, check the condition of your > transmission mounts as one possible cause. > > The moral of the story is that loosing my clutch hydraulics was really a > blessing in disguise! > > Vrooom vrooom, > John > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 04:31:14 2010 From: Derek Job To: HealeyRick Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:24:55 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command Thanks for the link. Although it doesn't mention it, that car is a 100-Six. I thought I had all the 100-Six ads but I've never seen that one before. cheers Derek On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:12 AM, HealeyRick wrote: > Nice feature on "The Chicane" for AH advertisements: > > http://thechicaneblog.com/ > > Rick > > > Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/derek.c.job@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 04:46:08 2010 From: Oudesluys To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:42:31 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] overheating What is disregarded completely in this discussion that a lot of people run modified (much) more powerful than standard engines and have the standard radiator without extra cooling ca[pacity and/or a proper electric fan. Of course you would create overheating that way. Kees Oudesluijs NL [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 06:00:39 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?ZXllcmEzQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==?=" To: Editorgary@aol.com,healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:00:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?Solid_core_non-resistor_wires?= Rear seat pans on a four seater? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Please excuse typos Ira Erbs DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting ----- Reply message ----- From: Editorgary@aol.com Date: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 9:58 pm Subject: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires To: In a message dated 7/31/10 6:51:06 PM, healeys-request@autox.team.net writes: > Use resistor > spark plugs to eliminate ignition noise in you car radio if needed and for > the > car next to you on the road. > Wonder if that would screw up cell phone reception of cars around me? BTW, for those who still run tube tires, tractor supply places are often recommended as the place where you can find the proper tube to fit a 165x15 tire, since most car stores no longer stock tubes. Wonder what else is still available at tractor supply stores that would be good for our cars, and that can't be found at the typical aftermarket auto supply stores. Best Gary _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 07:17:11 2010 From: "warthodson@aol.com" To: shop@justbrits.com, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:16:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] '63 Sebring No, not in a tent & head on to camera. -----Original Message----- From: Shop at " Just Brits " To: healeys@autox.team.net Cc: classic-sport-cars@sfr.fr Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [Healeys] '63 Sebring << As I recall, it had 54FAC, 56FAC & 57FAC side by side facing the camera head on. >> And at a slight angle in some sort of 'tent', Gary ?? I recall seeing one also, but NOT where !! _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson@aol.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 07:30:22 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: "Editorgary@aol.com" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 06:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires "Wonder if that would screw up cell phone reception of cars around me?" We can only hope. Greg 65BJ8 Sent from my iPhone so please excuse typos and brevity. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 07:46:09 2010 From: dwflagg@juno.com To: Editorgary@aol.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:37:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires Gary, Just as a matter of curiosity, who cares if you screw up cell phone reception of cars around you!! They shouldn't be talking while driving anyway. IMHO. And now for Ed's decoder ring response......... Doug > In a message dated 7/31/10 6:51:06 PM, healeys-request@autox.team.net > > writes: > > > > Use resistor > > spark plugs to eliminate ignition noise in you car radio if needed > and for > > the > > car next to you on the road. > > > > Wonder if that would screw up cell phone reception of cars around > me? > > BTW, for those who still run tube tires, tractor supply places are > often > recommended as the place where you can find the proper tube to fit a > 165x15 > tire, since most car stores no longer stock tubes. Wonder what else > is still > available at tractor supply stores that would be good for our cars, > and that > can't be found at the typical aftermarket auto supply stores. > Best > Gary > _______________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________________ FIRE SALE: iPads for $23.74? SPECIAL REPORT: iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 85% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c5578f18b1924fe04cst05duc _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 08:01:05 2010 From: dwflagg@juno.com To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:52:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Fuel Gauge I have an NOS X49422/219 fuel gauge, which is the original part number and correct 100 BN1 gauge (correct if I'm wrong Rich). It changed numbers to FG2530/19 for the BN2. Would like to trade for the correct BN2 gauge, either NOS or rebuilt to concours standards. You can reply off list. Thanks. Doug ____________________________________________________________ FIRE SALE: iPads for $23.74? SPECIAL REPORT: iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 85% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c557c8ddaf5e4fe4east05duc _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 08:02:40 2010 From: Richard Ewald To: Greg Mandas Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 06:54:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires And everyone's AM radio and FM radio, not to mention the police radio in the highway patrolman's car. that could make for a very interesting conversation. Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Greg Mandas wrote: > "Wonder if that would screw up cell phone reception of cars around me?" > > We can only hope. > > Greg > 65BJ8 > > Sent from my iPhone so please excuse typos and brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 08:45:51 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: Richard Ewald Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires None of the gendarmes who have stopped me to, uh, admire my Healey have complained about interference (I have solid copper wires). I use resistor plugs and the wire terminals have 15KOhm resistance built-in. My AM reception is good as long as I'm tuned to a station--I hear the fuel pump and every cylinder fire if I'm not--and haven't noticed any problem in my other cars when the Healey is running nearby. Are there any laws stipulating that suppression wires must be used? Or is it just good citizenship? At any rate, suppression wires will fail in the screw-in type distributor cap sooner or later, so it's solid copper or use a different cap. bs -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA And everyone's AM radio and FM radio, not to mention the police radio in the highway patrolman's car. that could make for a very interesting conversation. Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Greg Mandas wrote: > "Wonder if that would screw up cell phone reception of cars around me?" > > We can only hope. > > Greg > 65BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 08:48:35 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Antifreeze Water Have heard similar. Anyone have an explanation besides, of course, the obvious (steam condensate is, by definition, distilled water--there's no way to run a control against condensed, mineralized water--which might corrode the pipe even faster if it could be done)? How is the condensate treated to prevent corrosion? At any rate, I wouldn't run distilled water--or tap water for that matter--without at least some antifreeze, water wetter-type stuff or soluble oil with a corrosion inhibitor. FWIW, I've run distilled water in my BJ8 for probably close to 20yrs. When I drain the system, the coolant is always clear except for a very small amount of sediment, which I believe comes from the heater core which has never been replaced or repaired. bs -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA I can vouch for the corrosive qualities of distilled water. Steam condensate, unless it is properly treated will destroy a condensate return system built of schedule 80 black pipe in a matter of years. One of the classic symptoms is grooving of the bottom run of the pipe where the condensed water actually runs down the slope of the pipe. Very impressive destruction. Bill Lawrence _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 09:02:02 2010 From: "Greg Lemon" To: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:02:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires " Wonder what else is still available at tractor supply stores that would be good for our cars, and that can't be found at the typical aftermarket auto supply stores. Best Gary" Although I have not had trouble finding it at other places (others on the list have asked where to find it though) tractor supply houses usually are good places to find 30w non-detergent motor oil, they are also usually well stocked with welding supplies. Greg Lemon Nebraska (where it is easier to find a tractor/farm supply store than a Pep Boys) _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/glemon@neb.rr.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 09:31:49 2010 From: Joe and Lenore Armour To: Oudesluys Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:32:20 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating Oudesluys wrote: >What is disregarded completely in this discussion that a lot of people >run modified (much) more powerful than standard engines and have the >standard radiator without extra cooling ca[pacity and/or a proper >electric fan. Of course you would create overheating that way. >Kees Oudesluijs >NL > > > FWIW, I have a 197BHP at the back of the gearboxof my Healey 3000 with a standard radiator with sealing plates across the top and bottom of the core and side vertical panels with ONLY one half of the the standard fan ( one blade of the two) and no electric fan. During summer in Australia it has never boiled. Also has Webers and a tubular exhaust manifold. The only difference to most of the listed discussion todate is I have an alloy head. Some of the experts out there will no doubt be able to explain that the rate of heat transfer is most important in any heat exchange system and this happens between combustion chamber : head material : water to remove the heat and then again in reverse in the radiator matrix, water : copper : air. All of these items/materials affect the cooling system. Surface condition of cast iron has a BIG affect on the rate of transfer of heat from the combustion chamber. Iron oxide ( rust,scale) limits the transfer of heat into the water significantly. Also have a close look at exactly how far down the height of the block the actual water jacket around the bores does go. This area within the block/bores is notorious for becoming jam packed with crud ( technical term to describe all sorts of foreign matter) and this decreases the surface area of the hot bits from being exposed to a good water flow and therefore heat removal.. Same principal with a dirty radiator. Forgot, I also have triangular vents in the guards. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 09:34:44 2010 From: "J. Scott Morris" To: Austin Healey Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 08:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command Hello All; That ad was in the April 1958 [page 2] issue of Sports Car Journal, the official magazine of the California Sports Car Club. --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada J. Scott Morris - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives On Sun, 8/1/10, Derek Job wrote: << Thanks for the link. Although it doesn't mention it, that car is a 100-Six. I thought I had all the 100-Six ads but I've never seen that one before. >> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010, HealeyRick wrote: << Nice feature on "The Chicane" for AH advertisements: http://thechicaneblog.com/ >> _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 10:00:47 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Joe and Lenore Armour Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:52:20 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating You may have access to 197BHP but do you ever use the car in anger and exploit that power for prolonged periods? Kees Oudesluijs Joe and Lenore Armour wrote: > Oudesluys wrote: > >> What is disregarded completely in this discussion that a lot of >> people run modified (much) more powerful than standard engines and >> have the standard radiator without extra cooling ca[pacity and/or a >> proper electric fan. Of course you would create overheating that way. >> Kees Oudesluijs >> NL >> >> >> > > FWIW, I have a 197BHP at the back of the gearboxof my Healey 3000 > with a standard radiator with sealing plates across the top and bottom > of the core and side vertical panels with ONLY one half of the the > standard fan ( one blade of the two) and no electric fan. During > summer in Australia it has never boiled. Also has Webers and a tubular > exhaust manifold. The only difference to most of the listed > discussion todate is I have an alloy head. > > Some of the experts out there will no doubt be able to explain that > the rate of heat transfer is most important in any heat exchange > system and this happens between combustion chamber : head material : > water to remove the heat and then again in reverse in the radiator > matrix, water : copper : air. All of these items/materials affect > the cooling system. > > Surface condition of cast iron has a BIG affect on the rate of > transfer of heat from the combustion chamber. Iron oxide ( rust,scale) > limits the transfer of heat into the water significantly. > > Also have a close look at exactly how far down the height of the block > the actual water jacket around the bores does go. This area within > the block/bores is notorious for becoming jam packed with crud ( > technical term to describe all sorts of foreign matter) and this > decreases the surface area of the hot bits from being exposed to a > good water flow and therefore heat removal.. Same principal with a > dirty radiator. > > Forgot, I also have triangular vents in the guards. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3043 - datum van uitgifte: 08/01/10 08:34:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 10:47:30 2010 From: bighealey3k@aim.com To: bspidell@comcast.net Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:47:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires I think automotive parts stores can't get solid wire sets made specifically for automotive use but can sell them for tractors and other farm equipment. As a work around we can use the tractor sets on our older cars that had them as original equipment and not break any rules. I'm sure the FCC has a hand in it some were along the way. I have noticed some interference on my '05 Le Sabre's radio on the AM band when next to some big rig when on a trip, but not all big rigs. They are diesel and don't have high tension ignition systems or spark plugs, so I'm not sure what causes it other than a faulty alternator on the big rig maybe. Some of them have APU's but I would think they are diesel too and wouldn't cause any interference. They usually use them when stationary anyway. I like the idea of possibly interfering with someones cell phone while they are dirving, they are driving a car not a phone booth. :-) Larry '67 BJ8 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spidell To: Richard Ewald Cc: Editorgary@aol.com; healeys@autox.team.net; Greg Mandas gmandas@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 10:38 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires None of the gendarmes who have stopped me to, uh, admire my Healey have omplained about interference (I have solid copper wires). I use resistor plugs and the wire terminals have 15KOhm resistance built-in. My M reception is good as long as I'm tuned to a station--I hear the fuel pump and very cylinder fire if I'm not--and haven't noticed any problem in my other cars hen the Healey is running nearby. Are there any laws stipulating that suppression wires must be used? Or is it ust good citizenship? At any rate, suppression wires will fail in the screw-in ype distributor cap sooner or later, so it's solid copper or use a different ap. s -------------------------------- ob Spidell - San Jose, CA And everyone's AM radio and FM radio, not to mention the police radio in the ighway patrolman's car. hat could make for a very interesting conversation. e careful of what you wish for, you just might get it. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Greg Mandas wrote: > "Wonder if that would screw up cell phone reception of cars around me?" We can only hope. Greg 65BJ8 ______________________________________________ ealeys@autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $12.75 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bighealey3k@aim.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 10:49:56 2010 From: Bob Brown To: midwestahc@yahoogroups.com, Healey List , Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] Conclave 2010 Results Results for all activities at Conclave 201 are now posted, see www.austinhealeyconclave.com click on the 201 logo in he upper left corner. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 11:16:01 2010 From: HealeyRick To: Austin Healey , "J. Scott Morris" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command Remember Commander Whitehead? He was the dapper Schweppes tonic water guy. Not quite sure why they were quoting him in a Healey ad, though. Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo --- On Sun, 8/1/10, J. Scott Morris wrote: From: J. Scott Morris Subject: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command To: "Austin Healey" Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 11:35 AM Hello All; That ad was in the April 1958 [page 2] issue of Sports Car Journal, the official magazine of the California Sports Car Club. --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada J. Scott Morris - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives On Sun, 8/1/10, Derek Job wrote: << Thanks for the link. Although it doesn't mention it, that car is a 100-Six. I thought I had all the 100-Six ads but I've never seen that one before. >> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010, HealeyRick wrote: << Nice feature on "The Chicane" for AH advertisements: http://thechicaneblog.com/ >> _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrick@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 11:34:31 2010 From: Bob To: HealeyRick , Healey List Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:34:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command Maybe they were pushing to get their tonic water used use in all the overheating Healey's. Bob 55BN1 On 8/1/2010 1:13 PM, HealeyRick wrote: > Remember Commander Whitehead? He was the dapper Schweppes tonic water guy. > Not quite sure why they were quoting him in a Healey ad, though. > > Rick > > > Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo > > --- On Sun, 8/1/10, J. Scott Morris wrote: > > From: J. Scott Morris > Subject: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command > To: "Austin Healey" > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 11:35 AM > > Hello All; That ad was in the April 1958 [page 2] issue of Sports Car > Journal, the official magazine of the California Sports Car Club. > --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada > J. Scott Morris - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives > On Sun, 8/1/10, Derek Job wrote:<< Thanks for the > link. Although it doesn't mention it, that car is a 100-Six. I thought I had > all the 100-Six ads but I've never seen that one before.>> > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010, HealeyRick wrote:<< Nice feature > on "The Chicane" for AH advertisements: http://thechicaneblog.com/>> _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 12:16:34 2010 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Steve=20B.=20Gerow?=" To: "healeys@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:04:19 -0800 Subject: [Healeys] =?iso-8859-1?q?Cell_Phone_Reception_-_was_Solid_Core_Wi?= I've used my Verizon Droid phone in my Healey with solid core wires with no hint of static. I think that's one of the benefits of digital cell phones. FWIW - I'm using an Etymotic HF2 sound-isolation earbud headset and it seals well enough to be able to carry on a conversation over the roar of my Monza exhaust. -- Steve Gerow BN6 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 12:30:38 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: dwflagg@juno.com Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:22:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Fuel Gauge Just checked my box of rebuilt instruments for my BN2 restoration and find I too have a BN1 fuel gauge. I guess I'm looking for the correct gauge too. Doug, let me know if you get more than one offer for your BN1 gauge. I have a rebuildable Bugeye combo gauge and fuel gauge to offer also, both in perfect shape for any of you guys adding a Bugeye to your stable. Mike MacLean 56 BN2 60 AN5 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:52 AM, wrote: > I have an NOS X49422/219 fuel gauge, which is the original part number > and correct 100 BN1 gauge (correct if I'm wrong Rich). It changed numbers > to FG2530/19 for the BN2. Would like to trade for the correct BN2 gauge, > either NOS or rebuilt to concours standards. You can reply off list. > Thanks. > > Doug > ____________________________________________________________ > FIRE SALE: iPads for $23.74? > SPECIAL REPORT: iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 85% off! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c557c8ddaf5e4fe4east05duc > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rrengineer@dslextreme.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 12:51:46 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: "Steve B. Gerow" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:52:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Cell Phone Reception - was Solid Core Wires Hey, I got Etymotoics for my iPod. Absolutely great sounding earbuds with terrific bass response, besides the noise canceling benefit. Just wish the local Highway Patrol would have a better attitude about using them when I drive my Bugeye. I'm sure they won't care for me using them when my BN2 is on the road either. Mike MacLean 56 BN2 60 AN5 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Steve B. Gerow wrote: > I've used my Verizon Droid phone in my Healey with solid core wires with no > hint of static. I think that's one of the benefits of digital cell phones. > > FWIW - I'm using an Etymotic HF2 sound-isolation earbud headset and it > seals well enough to be able to carry on a conversation over the roar of my > Monza exhaust. > > > -- > Steve Gerow > BN6 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 13:31:05 2010 From: Kent McLean To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:29:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Women and headaches Jonas Payne wrote: > She enjoys short trips, club events and rallys but has no interest in using > one of the antiques as a daily driver or of taking a long trip in one. Consider driving the long trip yourself, and have her fly into the destination timed for when you get there. Pick her up at the airport. Enjoy the local activities. Drop her off at the airport and drive home (or let her stay another day or two locally while you drive home). -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 14:49:27 2010 From: "Rich C" To: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:49:09 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 100 Fuel Gauge Doug, and others who have responded to Doug's email.... Hang on to your NOS X49422/219 gauge. It is also for the BN2, and note that the FG2530/19 is simply a later replacement noted for the Stores personnel. Rich -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:52 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Fuel Gauge > >> I have an NOS X49422/219 fuel gauge, which is the original part number >> and correct 100 BN1 gauge (correct if I'm wrong Rich). It changed numbers >> to FG2530/19 for the BN2. Would like to trade for the correct BN2 gauge, >> either NOS or rebuilt to concours standards. You can reply off list. >> Thanks. >> >> Doug _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 15:01:17 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: Rich C Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:55:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fw: 100 Fuel Gauge Thanks Rich. A load off my mind. Believe me, I am spending my money as fast as I can on this restoration. Last minute changes to spares and equipment already sourced is not welcome. Mike MacLean 56 BN2 60 AN5 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Rich C wrote: > Doug, and others who have responded to Doug's email.... > > Hang on to your NOS X49422/219 gauge. It is also for the BN2, and note that > the > FG2530/19 is simply a later replacement noted for the Stores personnel. > > Rich > > -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: >> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:52 AM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Fuel Gauge >> >> I have an NOS X49422/219 fuel gauge, which is the original part number >>> and correct 100 BN1 gauge (correct if I'm wrong Rich). It changed numbers >>> to FG2530/19 for the BN2. Would like to trade for the correct BN2 gauge, >>> either NOS or rebuilt to concours standards. You can reply off list. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Doug >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rrengineer@dslextreme.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 16:48:26 2010 From: Chris Dimmock To: Oudesluys Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:45:11 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating Kees, Joe is talking about his ex works big Healey, the 1965 Sebring 3000 car as driven by Paul Hawkins. I'm glad Joe hasn't "Modified" it back to standard BJ8 specs. It is still in the original mechanical form it left the DHMC......... ;-) Sent from my iPhone On 02/08/2010, at 1:52 AM, Oudesluys wrote: > You may have access to 197BHP but do you ever use the car in anger and > exploit that power for prolonged periods? > Kees Oudesluijs > > > Joe and Lenore Armour wrote: >> Oudesluys wrote: >> >>> What is disregarded completely in this discussion that a lot of >>> people run modified (much) more powerful than standard engines and >>> have the standard radiator without extra cooling ca[pacity and/or a >>> proper electric fan. Of course you would create overheating that >>> way. >>> Kees Oudesluijs >>> NL >>> >>> >> >> FWIW, I have a 197BHP at the back of the gearboxof my Healey 3000 >> with a standard radiator with sealing plates across the top and >> bottom >> of the core and side vertical panels with ONLY one half of the the >> standard fan ( one blade of the two) and no electric fan. During >> summer in Australia it has never boiled. Also has Webers and a >> tubular >> exhaust manifold. The only difference to most of the listed >> discussion todate is I have an alloy head. >> >> Some of the experts out there will no doubt be able to explain that >> the rate of heat transfer is most important in any heat exchange >> system and this happens between combustion chamber : head material : >> water to remove the heat and then again in reverse in the radiator >> matrix, water : copper : air. All of these items/materials affect >> the cooling system. >> >> Surface condition of cast iron has a BIG affect on the rate of >> transfer of heat from the combustion chamber. Iron oxide >> ( rust,scale) >> limits the transfer of heat into the water significantly. >> >> Also have a close look at exactly how far down the height of the >> block >> the actual water jacket around the bores does go. This area within >> the block/bores is notorious for becoming jam packed with crud ( >> technical term to describe all sorts of foreign matter) and this >> decreases the surface area of the hot bits from being exposed to a >> good water flow and therefore heat removal.. Same principal with a >> dirty radiator. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 17:17:36 2010 From: "Quinn, Patrick" To: Oudesluys , Joe and Lenore Armour Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:15:59 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating G'day Kees Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours at Sebring in 1965 and then at various other picturesque circuitous locations in the UK, US and Australia over the 45 years since. I would say that of all the cars belonging to members of this list, Joe's car would have had more time in anger and the exploiting its power than anyone else's. Hoo Roo Patrick Quinn Sydney, Australia Ps It always pays to know your Healey History before you make a comment. -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Oudesluys Sent: Monday, 2 August 2010 1:52 AM To: Joe and Lenore Armour Cc: healeys@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating You may have access to 197BHP but do you ever use the car in anger and exploit that power for prolonged periods? Kees Oudesluijs Joe and Lenore Armour wrote: ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 17:31:52 2010 From: Jonas Payne To: Kent McLean , "healeys@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:29:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Women and headaches Easier said than done - my 3 kids under 10 don't want to be left out, and that's some hefty airfare!!!! A long trip for me at this point in my life is 2-3 hours!! Jonas Payne PBR > She enjoys short trips, club events and rallys but has no interest in using > one of the antiques as a daily driver or of taking a long trip in one. Consider driving the long trip yourself, and have her fly into the destination timed for when you get there. Pick her up at the airport. Enjoy the local activities. Drop her off at the airport and drive home (or let her stay another day or two locally while you drive home). -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 _______________________________________________ "This email and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender(s) at (702) 269-2007 and delete all copies from your system. It is not the intent of the sender to solicit any person or business. Please note that any opinions in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thor Construction, Incorporated. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage or loss caused by any virus transmitted by this email." _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 19:32:23 2010 From: S and T Miller To: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Bugeye in movie My 13 year old daughter Healey pointed out that there is a BRG, right hand drive, early Bugeye in a preview she saw for the movie "Wild Child". Out on DVD. And yes her name is Healey. Check out FaceBook, there are four girls with the first name Healey on there. The Millers "British Car Nuts" 1957 Austin Healey 100-6 BN4 35299 1959 Austin Healey 100-6 BN4 77219 1964 MGB 40841 1960 Austin Healey Bugeye Sprite AN5 34351 "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 19:33:25 2010 From: To: "healeys@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:27:17 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] =?iso-8859-1?q?noise_supression?= i have an old sears positive ground radio in the bj8 and lately i have noticed a lot of static. tried a new ariel. no luck. have copper center wires and resistor plugs. when engine is shut off the fm is really ok, but am still wonky. underway, the am is really staticy unless it is a really strong station. i also tried different speakers with no luck. i have given up listening to it and just wear earphones with am/fm. works better anyway. hjim _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 19:33:45 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: "Quinn, Patrick" Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:34:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating re: "Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours at Sebring ..." Has it been tested on Hwy 405 in Los Angeles on a Friday at 'rush' hour in August? bs Quinn, Patrick wrote: > G'day Kees > > Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours at Sebring in 1965 and then > at various other picturesque circuitous locations in the UK, US and Australia > over the 45 years since. > > I would say that of all the cars belonging to members of this list, Joe's car > would have had more time in anger and the exploiting its power than anyone > else's. > > Hoo Roo > > Patrick Quinn > Sydney, Australia > > Ps It always pays to know your Healey History before you make a comment. > ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 20:04:47 2010 From: F Ronald Rader To: Healey List Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:04:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating A much more difficult test to pass. ron rader 405 freeway, LA > > re: "Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours at Sebring ..." > > Has it been tested on Hwy 405 in Los Angeles on a Friday at 'rush' hour in August? > > > bs > > > Quinn, Patrick wrote: >> >> G'day Kees >> >> Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours at Sebring in 1965 and then >> at various other picturesque circuitous locations in the UK, US and Australia >> over the 45 years since. >> >> I would say that of all the cars belonging to members of this list, Joe's car >> would have had more time in anger and the exploiting its power than anyone >> else's. >> >> Hoo Roo >> >> Patrick Quinn >> Sydney, Australia >> >> Ps It always pays to know your Healey History before you make a comment. >> > > ******************************************************************* > Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net > > ******************************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/f.ronald.rader@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 20:17:56 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?ZXllcmEzQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==?=" To: "=?utf-8?B?RiBSb25hbGQgUmFkZXI=?=" Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:14:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?overheating?= Or the Grape Vine I5 north of Los Angeles in August Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Please excuse typos Ira Erbs DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting ----- Reply message ----- From: "F Ronald Rader" Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 7:04 pm Subject: [Healeys] overheating To: "Healey List" A much more difficult test to pass. ron rader 405 freeway, LA > > re: "Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours at Sebring ..." > > Has it been tested on Hwy 405 in Los Angeles on a Friday at 'rush' hour in August? > > > bs > > > Quinn, Patrick wrote: >> >> G'day Kees >> >> Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours at Sebring in 1965 and then >> at various other picturesque circuitous locations in the UK, US and Australia >> over the 45 years since. >> >> I would say that of all the cars belonging to members of this list, Joe's car >> would have had more time in anger and the exploiting its power than anyone >> else's. >> >> Hoo Roo >> >> Patrick Quinn >> Sydney, Australia >> >> Ps It always pays to know your Healey History before you make a comment. >> > > ******************************************************************* > Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net > > ******************************************************************* > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/f.ronald.rader@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 20:20:09 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?ZXllcmEzQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==?=" To: "healeymanjim" , Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:16:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?noise_supression?= Just listen to exhaust music. I pulled my radio out 25 years ago. I never get a song I do not like;) Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Please excuse typos Ira Erbs DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting ----- Reply message ----- From: "healeymanjim" Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 6:27 pm Subject: [Healeys] noise supression To: "healeys@autox.team.net" i have an old sears positive ground radio in the bj8 and lately i have noticed a lot of static. tried a new ariel. no luck. have copper center wires and resistor plugs. when engine is shut off the fm is really ok, but am still wonky. underway, the am is really staticy unless it is a really strong station. i also tried different speakers with no luck. i have given up listening to it and just wear earphones with am/fm. works better anyway. hjim _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 20:20:33 2010 From: "Eric (Rick) Wilkins" To: "healeymanjim" , Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:21:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating yeah, but that car only got 17th place. oh... first in the 3 Liter GT class. That's staying "cool" Wilko On Aug 1, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Chris Dimmock wrote: > Kees, > Joe is talking about his ex works big Healey, the 1965 Sebring 3000 > car as driven by Paul Hawkins. > I'm glad Joe hasn't "Modified" it back to standard BJ8 specs. It is > still in the original mechanical form it left the DHMC......... > ;-) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 02/08/2010, at 1:52 AM, Oudesluys wrote: > >> You may have access to 197BHP but do you ever use the car in anger >> and >> exploit that power for prolonged periods? >> Kees Oudesluijs >> >> >> Joe and Lenore Armour wrote: >>> Oudesluys wrote: >>> >>>> What is disregarded completely in this discussion that a lot of >>>> people run modified (much) more powerful than standard engines and >>>> have the standard radiator without extra cooling ca[pacity and/or a >>>> proper electric fan. Of course you would create overheating that >>>> way. >>>> Kees Oudesluijs >>>> NL >>>> >>>> >>> >>> FWIW, I have a 197BHP at the back of the gearboxof my Healey 3000 >>> with a standard radiator with sealing plates across the top and >>> bottom >>> of the core and side vertical panels with ONLY one half of the the >>> standard fan ( one blade of the two) and no electric fan. During >>> summer in Australia it has never boiled. Also has Webers and a >>> tubular >>> exhaust manifold. The only difference to most of the listed >>> discussion todate is I have an alloy head. >>> >>> Some of the experts out there will no doubt be able to explain that >>> the rate of heat transfer is most important in any heat exchange >>> system and this happens between combustion chamber : head material : >>> water to remove the heat and then again in reverse in the radiator >>> matrix, water : copper : air. All of these items/materials affect >>> the cooling system. >>> >>> Surface condition of cast iron has a BIG affect on the rate of >>> transfer of heat from the combustion chamber. Iron oxide >>> ( rust,scale) >>> limits the transfer of heat into the water significantly. >>> >>> Also have a close look at exactly how far down the height of the >>> block >>> the actual water jacket around the bores does go. This area within >>> the block/bores is notorious for becoming jam packed with crud ( >>> technical term to describe all sorts of foreign matter) and this >>> decreases the surface area of the hot bits from being exposed to a >>> good water flow and therefore heat removal.. Same principal with a >>> dirty radiator. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/e-wilkins@cox.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 20:50:08 2010 From: Joe and Lenore Armour To: "Eric (Rick) Wilkins" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:50:16 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating Eric (Rick) Wilkins wrote: > yeah, but that car only got 17th place. oh... first in the 3 Liter GT > class. > > That's staying "cool" > > Wilko ERIC It is important to consider who finished ahead AND who the Healey finished ahead of. Thre is some heavy iron that came after position 17. Also in the extreme rain downpour the BMC cars were setting fastest laps, with the LUCAS wipers and the LUCAS headlights and the LUCAS fog lights and all powered by the LUCAS generator with crappy old carbon brushes bounching across the joints in the armature!!!!!! Joe Blue One _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 21:01:40 2010 From: Bob Brown To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Healey List Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] MG question A friend has asked anout an MG Midget on ebay, the photo shows a roll-up window car. The VIN is GAN5U894909G and it is listed as a 1971. From Sprite numbering I would expect a GAN5 to have side curtains and not a anything close to a 1971. Thoughts? Bob _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 21:19:19 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: healeymanjim , "healeys@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] noise supression I work with computers on the Web all day and some nights. I reversed the polarity on my 65 BACK to positive earth so as not to have to deal with 21st Century Noise. Here's to 20th Century Noise. Greg --- On Sun, 8/1/10, eyera3@gmail.com wrote: > From: eyera3@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Healeys] noise supression > To: "healeymanjim" , "healeys@autox.team.net" > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:16 PM > Just listen to exhaust music. I > pulled my radio out 25 years ago. > I never get a song I do not like;) > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > Please excuse typos > Ira Erbs > DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "healeymanjim" > Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 6:27 pm > Subject: [Healeys] noise supression > To: "healeys@autox.team.net" > > > i have an old sears positive ground radio in the bj8 and > lately i have noticed a lot of static. tried a new > ariel. no luck. have copper center wires and resistor > plugs. when engine is shut off the fm is really ok, > but am still wonky. underway, the am is > really staticy unless it is a really strong > station. i also tried different speakers > with no luck. i have given up listening to it and just > wear earphones with am/fm. works better > anyway. hjim > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gmandas@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 21:20:48 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: F Ronald Rader , Healey List Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating I-95 Stamford CT, 4 to 7 pm. --- On Sun, 8/1/10, eyera3@gmail.com wrote: > From: eyera3@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating > To: "F Ronald Rader" , "Healey List" > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:14 PM > Or the Grape Vine I5 north of Los > Angeles in August > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > Please excuse typos > Ira Erbs > DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "F Ronald Rader" > Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 7:04 pm > Subject: [Healeys] overheating > To: "Healey List" > > A much more difficult test to pass. > ron rader > 405 freeway, LA > > > > re: "Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours > at Sebring ..." > > > > Has it been tested on Hwy 405 in Los Angeles on a > Friday at 'rush' hour in > August? > > > > > > bs > > > > > > Quinn, Patrick wrote: > >> > >> G'day Kees > >> > >> Overheating in Joe's BJ8 was tested for 12 hours > at Sebring in 1965 and > then > >> at various other picturesque circuitous locations > in the UK, US and > Australia > >> over the 45 years since. > >> > >> I would say that of all the cars belonging to > members of this list, Joe's > car > >> would have had more time in anger and the > exploiting its power than anyone > >> else's. > >> > >> Hoo Roo > >> > >> Patrick Quinn > >> Sydney, Australia > >> > >> Ps It always pays to know your Healey History > before you make a comment. > >> > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > Bob Spidell > San Jose, CA > bspidell@comcast.net > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > > Healeys@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/f.ronald.rader@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gmandas@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 21:21:15 2010 From: "Eric (Rick) Wilkins" To: F Ronald Rader , Healey List Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:18:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating Of course. I was just further qualifying the answer to whether the car had been "driven in anger" Certainly, I was just poking fun. That car did extremely well. Wasn't that also the best a Healey had done at Sebring? 1st in class and 17th overall is just damn good! On Aug 1, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Joe and Lenore Armour wrote: > Eric (Rick) Wilkins wrote: > >> yeah, but that car only got 17th place. oh... first in the 3 Liter >> GT class. >> >> That's staying "cool" >> >> Wilko > > ERIC > It is important to consider who finished ahead AND who the Healey > finished ahead of. Thre is some heavy iron that came after position > 17. > Also in the extreme rain downpour the BMC cars were setting fastest > laps, with the LUCAS wipers and the LUCAS headlights and the LUCAS > fog lights and all powered by the LUCAS generator with crappy old > carbon brushes bounching across the joints in the armature!!!!!! > > Joe > Blue One _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 21:32:42 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: "healeys@autox.team.net" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] Girling Brake Booster Who ever said, "Healey people are the nicest people until they go to sell it." is a sage. I picked up a brake booster off eBay (I know, but it's where I got my car) with no indication as to condition. All questions received vague answers. But, hey! It was VERY Clean, rust free and relatively cheap but, when I opened it, it had about a pint of break fluid in it. I know I asked before, but I'm forgetful: If anyone on the list rebuilds boosters or you have a recommendation as to who rebuilds them, if you would, please, send me an email with their contact information, prices and success rate. Thanks Greg _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 21:33:00 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:29:04 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] cell phone reception I had to make a comment . The other day i used my cell phone while driving my healey and the party I was talking to ask me if I was in a airplane cause my healey is so loud. ha ha _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 21:52:43 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Greg Mandas Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:52:46 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Girling Brake Booster Greg - In the US most people on the list recommend these guys: *http://tinyurl.com/385zck8* * * Also, Rich Chrysler uses these guys (which is a vote of confidence): http://www.johnstuartpowerbrake.com/ Alan On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Greg Mandas wrote: > Who ever said, "Healey people are the nicest people until they go to sell > it." is a sage. > > I picked up a brake booster off eBay (I know, but it's where I got my car) > with no indication as to condition. All questions received vague answers. > > But, hey! It was VERY Clean, rust free and relatively cheap but, when I > opened it, it had about a pint of break fluid in it. > > I know I asked before, but I'm forgetful: > > If anyone on the list rebuilds boosters or you have a recommendation as to > who rebuilds them, if you would, please, send me an email with their contact > information, prices and success rate. > > Thanks > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 22:03:06 2010 From: "Rich C" To: "Greg Mandas" , Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:56:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Girling Brake Booster Greg, John Stuart Power Brake in Stoney Creek Ontario will rebuild it and warranty it for 1 year. They even show this unit on their web site. http://www.johnstuartpowerbrake.com/Automotive.page?CategoryID=84&CurrentPage=2&ItemID=327 . Not cheap, but excellent work. Rich Chrysler -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Mandas" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 11:28 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] Girling Brake Booster > Who ever said, "Healey people are the nicest people until they go to sell > it." is a sage. > > I picked up a brake booster off eBay (I know, but it's where I got my car) > with no indication as to condition. All questions received vague answers. > > But, hey! It was VERY Clean, rust free and relatively cheap but, when I > opened it, it had about a pint of break fluid in it. > > I know I asked before, but I'm forgetful: > > If anyone on the list rebuilds boosters or you have a recommendation as to > who rebuilds them, if you would, please, send me an email with their > contact information, prices and success rate. > > Thanks > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 22:20:12 2010 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Eric \(Rick\) Wilkins" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:20:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating "Wasn't that also the best a Healey had done at Sebring? 1st in class and 17th overall is just damn good!" A 100S finished 3rd overall a Sebring in '54, many of the big bore cars dropped out, but it beat quite a few of them too. I believe a rocker arm broke or something on the car or it would likely have won. http://ferrariexperts.com/SCCA%20results%201954.htm#MAC Greg Lemon _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 23:02:05 2010 From: HealeyRick To: "Eric \(Rick\) Wilkins" , Greg Lemon Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating Sorry guys ... the best Healeys at Sebring were always the Sprites. Check out these records: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebring_Sprite Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Greg Lemon wrote: From: Greg Lemon Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating To: "Eric (Rick) Wilkins" Cc: "healeys help" Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 12:20 AM "Wasn't that also the best a Healey had done at Sebring? 1st in class and 17th overall is just damn good!" A 100S finished 3rd overall a Sebring in '54, many of the big bore cars dropped out, but it beat quite a few of them too. I believe a rocker arm broke or something on the car or it would likely have won. http://ferrariexperts.com/SCCA%20results%201954.htm#MAC Greg Lemon _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healeyrick@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 23:16:51 2010 From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE To: Greg Lemon , Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:17:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires I've heard that many of the water pumps in LBCs can use rebuild kits from tractors. Might be worth a look. Bill Lawrence > From: glemon@neb.rr.com > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:02:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires > > " Wonder what else is still available at tractor supply stores that would > be good for our cars, and that can't be found at the typical aftermarket > auto supply stores. > > Best > Gary" > > Although I have not had trouble finding it at other places (others on the > list have asked where to find it though) tractor supply houses usually are > good places to find 30w non-detergent motor oil, they are also usually well > stocked with welding supplies. > > Greg Lemon > Nebraska (where it is easier to find a tractor/farm supply store than a Pep > Boys) > _______________________________________________ > > Healeys@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/glemon@neb.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ynotink@msn.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 1 23:48:45 2010 From: I Erbs To: healey help Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:48:26 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Jamaican for sale http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1864008708.html NFI -- Ira Erbs Portland, OR _______ _______ (______ \____1960 BT7____/ _______) (_________________________) _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 00:02:20 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: I Erbs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:57:25 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Jamaican for sale Jamaican me cry! On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:48 PM, I Erbs wrote: > http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1864008708.html > NFI > > -- > Ira Erbs > Portland, OR _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 02:17:55 2010 From: Oudesluys To: healeymanjim@hansencc.net Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:13:19 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] noise supression Try fitting a capacitor on the dynamo/alternator and if needed also on the heater fan and wiper motor. These items can usually be found in the auto store or you can use the ones as are fitted on your distributor. Make sure that earth connections are solid and the the aerial and its wire mantel are solidly earthed. Also probably available in auto shops are "noise killers" which are fitted in line in the supply wire. I do not know if these are polarity sensitive. Position of the aerial can be important as well. Fit it as far away from the engine as possible. However if you have a hole in the front wing you are not going to drill another in the rear deck panel or rear wing Kees Oudesluijs NL healeymanjim@hansencc.net wrote: > i have an old sears positive ground radio in the bj8 and lately i have noticed a lot of static. tried a new ariel. no luck. have copper center wires and resistor plugs. when engine is shut off the fm is really ok, but am still wonky. underway, the am is really staticy unless it is a really strong station. i also tried different speakers with no luck. i have given up listening to it and just wear earphones with am/fm. works better anyway. hjim > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 02:19:10 2010 From: Bob Haskell To: Bob Brown Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:13:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] MG question Bob, The VIN is legit for an MG. The Austin-Healey Sprite of the time would start with HAN10. When the Sprite became just the Austin Sprite the VIN prefix changed to AAN10. - Original Sprite and Midget by Terry Horler. Cheers, Bob Bob Brown wrote: > A friend has asked anout an MG Midget on ebay, the photo shows a roll-up window > car. The VIN is GAN5U894909G and it is listed as a 1971. From Sprite numbering I > would expect a GAN5 to have side curtains and not a anything close to a 1971. > > Thoughts? > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rchaskell@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 02:48:19 2010 From: Oudesluys To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:48:29 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires The bearing shafts and seals are often interchangeable or can be adapted between a lot of (not only) British cars, trucks and tractors. The same goes for clutch cover plates and pressure plates, brake parts, instruments, electrical equipment, even engine bearings and pistons. However it is a difficult and laborious job the make up a reference list. I used a dirt cheap NOS water pump (Ebay) from Vauxhall to rebuild the water pump from my Jensen Healey (Lotus engine). I just had to shorten the impeller shaft. I have made up a lengthy list of all alternative parts for this car and you will be amazed of the amount of parts that can be had easily and cheaply if you are in the know. E.g. front wheel bearing is the same as for various Opels (Kadett, Ascona, GT) which were the most common cars in the 60's, 70's and 80's over here. Kees Oudesluijs WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote: > I've heard that many of the water pumps in LBCs can use rebuild kits from > tractors. Might be worth a look. > Bill Lawrence > > >> From: glemon@neb.rr.com >> To: healeys@autox.team.net >> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:02:34 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires >> >> " Wonder what else is still available at tractor supply stores that would >> be good for our cars, and that can't be found at the typical aftermarket >> auto supply stores. >> >> Best >> Gary" >> >> Although I have not had trouble finding it at other places (others on the >> list have asked where to find it though) tractor supply houses usually are >> good places to find 30w non-detergent motor oil, they are also usually well >> stocked with welding supplies. >> >> Greg Lemon >> Nebraska (where it is easier to find a tractor/farm supply store than a Pep >> Boys) >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Healeys@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/glemon@neb.rr.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ynotink@msn.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 06:49:52 2010 From: Jack Feldman To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:50:16 -0500 Subject: [Healeys] Healey Names I have a "football" card from a player named Austin Healey. Wonder how that came about. The host of the national MGC registry some years ago claimed his two sons were named Austin and Jensen. Jack _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 07:02:44 2010 From: Jack Feldman To: "Mell & Mike Ward" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:01:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Names Oops, sorry. I haven't looked at it for a while. Thanks for the update. Jack On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Mell & Mike Ward wrote: > Jack > > He is a rugby player over here > > -----Original Message----- > From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jack Feldman > Sent: 02 August 2010 1:50 PM > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] Healey Names > > I have a "football" card from a player named Austin Healey. Wonder how that > came about. > > The host of the national MGC registry some years ago claimed his two sons > were named Austin and Jensen. > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/russward@lineone.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 07:18:11 2010 From: "BJ8 Healeys" To: "'Bob Brown'" , , "'Healey Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:09:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] MG question Bob, I think there is either a missing letter in the VIN, or the "8" has been misread for a "B": GAN5UB..... This letter designates the model year. I have a '73 Midget, GAN5UD126009G. The "D" means the 1973 model year (my car was actually built in October 1972). I have the remains of GAN5UC123512, which was a '72. Therefore, the "B" would fit for the '71 model year. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry Havelock, NC USA -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Brown Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:55 PM To: bugeye@yahoogroups.com; Healey List Subject: [Healeys] MG question A friend has asked anout an MG Midget on ebay, the photo shows a roll-up window car. The VIN is GAN5U894909G and it is listed as a 1971. From Sprite numbering I would expect a GAN5 to have side curtains and not a anything close to a 1971. Thoughts? Bob _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/sbyers@ec.rr.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3037 - Release Date: 08/01/10 14:40:00 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 07:39:00 2010 From: Jody Kerr To: Jack Feldman Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 06:39:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Names My son's name is Jensen. When my wife asked me for boy baby names she got the list: "Jensen, Austin, Healey, Studebaker". I threw Studebaker in for the pure ridiculousness of it. For girl names it was "Mercedes, Portia, Eleanor." (for the three car guys in the world that may not know, Eleanor was the name of the Mustang in Gone in 60 seconds, 1973 in the original, 1967 in the remake) She mocked me until we went through all the J names in the baby book (family tradition is first boy has a J name) and we crossed them all off going "I knew a guy with that name and he was a (moron|w@nker|idiot|loser|etc)" or "Too old testament/Amish farmer". The only name left was Jensen. So, I won! The problem now is she was left with two baby names that she loves, Eleanor and Desmond. So it looks like I shall have to start shopping for a bigger house. :) Jody On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Jack Feldman wrote: > Oops, sorry. I haven't looked at it for a while. > > Thanks for the update. > > Jack > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Mell & Mike Ward wrote: > >> Jack >> >> He is a rugby player over here >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: >> healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Jack Feldman >> Sent: 02 August 2010 1:50 PM >> To: healeys@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Healeys] Healey Names >> >> I have a "football" card from a player named Austin Healey. Wonder how that >> came about. >> >> The host of the national MGC registry some years ago claimed his two sons >> were named Austin and Jensen. >> >> Jack >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/russward@lineone.net > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/jodyfkerr@gmail.com > -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) http://motors.shop.ebay.com/merchant/jodyfkerr <--I'm selling parts on ebay! "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 07:51:06 2010 From: Peter Caldwell To: Healey List Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 08:50:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ignition Wire Set Bosch have sets available in solid wire. The 6 cylinder set is part number 09-986 retailing under $30.00. Most FLAPS can't look them up in their computers, though. Give them the part number. (btw, 4 - cyl are 09-985, and 8 cyl is 09-987) Good parts stores will carry them. Peter C ..................... >On 7/31/2010 7:08 PM, bighealey3k@aim.com wrote: >>Most auto parts stores have 6 cyl. tractor ignition wire sets with the spark >>plug ends already crimped on including the rubber boots. That is >>the only way >>I know of to get solid wire core ignition wires already made >>up. Use resistor >>spark plugs to eliminate ignition noise in you car radio if needed >>and for the >>car next to you on the road. >> >>Larry >>'67 BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 08:03:10 2010 From: Jwhlyadv@aol.com To: BluegrassClub@aol.com, healeys@autox.team.net, Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:00:53 EDT Subject: [Healeys] Healey Silverstone Adam Burckle has offered his Silverstone for sale. This is a ex-Bill Emerson car and in excellent condition. Contact Adam for more information at _adamb@adammatthews.com_ (mailto:adamb@adammatthews.com) . I have decided to sell my very rare and unique, 3 time concours winner Healey Silverstone. This is for the ultimate collector. It is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It is Mille Miglia eligible, it is Pebble Beach eligible and as you know the finest in the world. For more information see healeysilverstone.com or contact Adam at _adamb@adammatthews.com_ (mailto:adamb@adammatthews.com) Adam Burckle 2104 Plantside Drive Louisville, KY 40299-1924 (502) 499-2253 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 08:05:00 2010 From: "Carr&Edwards" To: "Healey List" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:05:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Names A friend's grandson is named Jensen Healey. (The father has had at least one British car (Triumph--big mistake!) but as far as I know never an Austin-Healey.) We were waiting for him to name his second boy "Austin," but he didn't.... Sarah Carr BN1 in PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jody Kerr" To: "Jack Feldman" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Names > My son's name is Jensen. > > When my wife asked me for boy baby names she got the list: "Jensen, > Austin, Healey, Studebaker". I threw Studebaker in for the pure > ridiculousness of it. > > For girl names it was "Mercedes, Portia, Eleanor." (for the three car > guys in the world that may not know, Eleanor was the name of the > Mustang in Gone in 60 seconds, 1973 in the original, 1967 in the > remake) > > She mocked me until we went through all the J names in the baby book > (family tradition is first boy has a J name) and we crossed them all > off going "I knew a guy with that name and he was a > (moron|w@nker|idiot|loser|etc)" or "Too old testament/Amish farmer". > The only name left was Jensen. So, I won! > > The problem now is she was left with two baby names that she loves, > Eleanor and Desmond. So it looks like I shall have to start shopping > for a bigger house. :) > > Jody > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Jack Feldman > wrote: >> Oops, sorry. I haven't looked at it for a while. >> >> Thanks for the update. >> >> Jack >> >> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Mell & Mike Ward > wrote: >> >>> Jack >>> >>> He is a rugby player over here >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: >>> healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] >>> On Behalf Of Jack Feldman >>> Sent: 02 August 2010 1:50 PM >>> To: healeys@autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Healeys] Healey Names >>> >>> I have a "football" card from a player named Austin Healey. Wonder how > that >>> came about. >>> >>> The host of the national MGC registry some years ago claimed his two >>> sons >>> were named Austin and Jensen. >>> >>> Jack _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 08:06:04 2010 From: Jody Kerr To: healeys Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:06:43 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] New addition to the LBC stable (non Healey) Hey guys, So I've been stuck in the "no car to drive" doldrums for a bit now, and I know that I tend to spend more time on my restoration projects when I have something interesting to drive. I'm afraid my Ford Explorer just wasn't interesting enough. The JH is proceeding well, I'm finishing up the interior carpets/vinyl and am just about to reassemble the 5speed rear end for my project. I'm shooting to have it done for Wheels of Britain in March 2011 so I can then finally move on to my 3000. To assist in keeping me out there and interested I aquired this little gem of a find. http://www.theymightberacing.com/MyCars/Triumph1981TR8.aspx It's a 1981 Triumph TR8 and it goes VROOM! :) Jody -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) http://motors.shop.ebay.com/merchant/jodyfkerr <--I'm selling parts on ebay! "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 08:33:05 2010 From: Jody Kerr To: healeys Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:32:45 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] 1960 AH 300 on BaT http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/02/1960-austin-healey-project/ Doesn't look too bad if anyone's looking for a project. Jody -- http://www.theymightberacing.com/ 1953 Studebaker Champion 1960 Austin Healey 3000 (BT7L/5479) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (14291) 1974 Jensen Healey MKII (18854) 1978 Triumph Spitfire (Mum's) http://motors.shop.ebay.com/merchant/jodyfkerr <--I'm selling parts on ebay! "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so." --Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 08:48:20 2010 From: jerry adams To: I Erbs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating OK! Deionized water is pure from an electrial standpoint. It will not pass electricty. But is unhealthy as the devil to drink, can be full of nasty bacteria. Tap water is pure to drink ( in most cases) but can shock the s*** out of a person. It can be loaded with mineral salts (hard water) or be low in mineral salts (soft water). Most tap water falls into the hard water catergory. Distilled water gets rid of most if not all of the mineral salts and bacteria and is used in the health services i.e. hospital etc. and GMP facilities. Reverse osmosis is another form of distilled water (you can get by the gallons at Wal Mart). That said, I am the engineering manager of a small mfg. facility and we have 4 process steam boilers. These boilers require an annual state inspection. Before I added water softeners to the make up water we had to acidize the boilers to clean the scale build up on the fire tubes sometimes as much as 3/8" to 1/2" due to the hard tap water. I always use distilled or softened tap water in all my vehicles. Jerry BN2 ________________________________ From: I Erbs To: John Sims Cc: "" Sent: Sat, July 31, 2010 2:11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating My radiator is out, just got back from being recored. Manifolds are off too. Is there anyway to flush the engine, or do I wait for it to be running again and then flush it? I Erbs Sent from my iPod On Jul 31, 2010, at 8:57 AM, "John Sims" wrote: > I've used distilled water exclusively since 1956 when I got my first car > while in high school and can not remember ever having a radiator problem due > to scaling, etc. Of course, sometimes I can not remember in the afternoon > what I had for breakfast in the morning but that is another story. > > John Sims, BN6 > Aberdeen, NJ > > http://www.healey6.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Richard Kahn > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:38 AM > To: coudesluijs@chello.nl; healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] overheating > > They sell a lot of shower cleaners to get rid of the sediment which is still > very hard to remove from the floors and walls. Same crap in the engines. I > vote for distilled water. > Rich Kahn > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 08:50:39 2010 From: "Dan Stromquist" To: "'Healey list'" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:49:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ignition Wire Set Good comment/idea on the pre crimped plug wires ends. The screw in rubber spark plug boots do not always make a good connection and you will get corrosion on some. Dan -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bighealey3k@aim.com Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 6:08 PM To: charlieoc@comcast.net; Healeys@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ignition Wire Set Most auto parts stores have 6 cyl. tractor ignition wire sets with the spark plug ends already crimped on including the rubber boots. That is the only way I know of to get solid wire core ignition wires already made up. Use resistor spark plugs to eliminate ignition noise in you car radio if needed and for the car next to you on the road. Larry '67 BJ8 -----Original Message----- From: Charlie O'Connors To: Healeys@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 1:52 pm Subject: [Healeys] Ignition Wire Set I want to replace the ignition wire set on my 1960 BT7. I was looking at he Cobalt set sold by Moss as well as the Magnecor wire sets, but they ppear to be more for later model 3000s. Any suggestions on ignition wire ets for the 1960 Austin Healey? Charlie O'Connors Havana, Florida 1960 Austin Healey 3000 BT7 1960 Austin Healey Sprite ______________________________________________ ealeys@autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $12.75 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bighealey3k@aim.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dan@warner-associates.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 08:51:14 2010 From: "BJ8 Healeys" To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:51:39 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] The Fast Lady Hello, Healeyphiles - While having my coffee this morning, I caught most of a good movie on TCM. Entitled "The Fast Lady" (1962), it involved a Scotsman who was attempting to get his driver's license. It's full of those old British cars we love and the lovely English countryside, too. I kept looking for a Healey, but had to wait until the very last scene for one to show up, when a girl arrives in a Hundred to pick up the car salesman. You can see some clips and the trailer for the movie by Googling The Fast Lady. Happy Healeying! Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry Havelock, NC USA _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 09:22:56 2010 From: ATIGHTPROD@aol.com To: jodyfkerr@gmail.com, qualitas.jack@gmail.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:22:48 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Names In 1987 I got married again, in 1988 I sold my 1961 3000 to pay for a vasectomy reversal, in 1990 my daughter was born, Austen Marie. My wife and I compromised on the spelling of the name as she was a big Jane Austen fan and it seemed Austin was more male. It's now 2010, my daughter will be turning twenty, the wife is gone and my 3000 has been replaced with a 100, BN1. I don't plan on any more vasectomy surgeries, Austen has her eye on the Austin, but knows it will be years from now and life is good and we all get a kick out of the story. Steven Kingsbury BN1 #598 In a message dated 8/2/2010 6:40:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jodyfkerr@gmail.com writes: My son's name is Jensen. When my wife asked me for boy baby names she got the list: "Jensen, Austin, Healey, Studebaker". I threw Studebaker in for the pure ridiculousness of it. For girl names it was "Mercedes, Portia, Eleanor." (for the three car guys in the world that may not know, Eleanor was the name of the Mustang in Gone in 60 seconds, 1973 in the original, 1967 in the remake) She mocked me until we went through all the J names in the baby book (family tradition is first boy has a J name) and we crossed them all off going "I knew a guy with that name and he was a (moron|w@nker|idiot|loser|etc)" or "Too old testament/Amish farmer". The only name left was Jensen. So, I won! The problem now is she was left with two baby names that she loves, Eleanor and Desmond. So it looks like I shall have to start shopping for a bigger house. :) Jody _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 10:21:38 2010 From: "J. Scott Morris" To: BluegrassClub@aol.com, healeys@autox.team.net, Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 09:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Silverstone And the website is: http://www.healeysilverstone.com/ --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada J. Scott Morris - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives --- On Mon, 8/2/10, Jwhlyadv@aol.com wrote: From: Jwhlyadv@aol.com Subject: [Healeys] Healey Silverstone To: BluegrassClub@aol.com, healeys@autox.team.net, adamb@adammatthews.com Received: Monday, August 2, 2010, 10:00 AM Adam Burckle has offered his Silverstone for sale. This is a ex-Bill Emerson car and in excellent condition. Contact Adam for more information at _adamb@adammatthews.com_ (mailto:adamb@adammatthews.com) . I have decided to sell my very rare and unique, 3 time concours winner Healey Silverstone. This is for the ultimate collector. It is a once in a lifetime opportunity. It is Mille Miglia eligible, it is Pebble Beach eligible and as you know the finest in the world. For more information see healeysilverstone.com or contact Adam at _adamb@adammatthews.com_ (mailto:adamb@adammatthews.com) Adam Burckle 2104 Plantside Drive Louisville, KY 40299-1924 (502) 499-2253 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 11:04:15 2010 From: Don Day To: healey list Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] turn power on Hi List, I'm about ready to turn the power onto my new wiring harness.I have gone around and double checked all my connections.All the wires are hooked up to where they should go,hopefully.I was thinking of leaving my new fuel pump disconnected,other than that should I just turn the switch on and hope for the best or is there a sequence of pluging stuff in and look for smoke?I have a new voltage regulator,and new relays everywhere. I would love to just turn the switch on ,listen for the fuel pump to stop clicking,turn the key and the motor will start right up.Anyone had any experience with this step? THanks Don _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 11:04:56 2010 From: Bob To: Oudesluys , Healey List Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:52:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires & now parts interchange Here on this side of the pond there is a publisher that sells interchange guides. I've in the past heard it referred to as the "Junkyards Bible". They do a few versions for classic cars and I would guess that with only a few interchanges it could pay for itself. I have not used it myself but have seen it being referred to in more than one yard. The classic versions are here: https://hollanderinterchange.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=21 Standard N.F.I. disclaimer... Bob 55BN1 On 8/2/2010 4:48 AM, Oudesluys wrote: > The bearing shafts and seals are often interchangeable or can be adapted > between a lot of (not only) British cars, trucks and tractors. > The same goes for clutch cover plates and pressure plates, brake parts, > instruments, electrical equipment, even engine bearings and pistons. > However it is a difficult and laborious job the make up a reference list. > > I used a dirt cheap NOS water pump (Ebay) from Vauxhall to rebuild the > water pump from my Jensen Healey (Lotus engine). I just had to shorten > the impeller shaft. > > I have made up a lengthy list of all alternative parts for this car and > you will be amazed of the amount of parts that can be had easily and > cheaply if you are in the know. E.g. front wheel bearing is the same as > for various Opels (Kadett, Ascona, GT) which were the most common cars > in the 60's, 70's and 80's over here. > > Kees Oudesluijs > > > WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote: > >> I've heard that many of the water pumps in LBCs can use rebuild kits from >> tractors. Might be worth a look. >> Bill Lawrence >> >> >> >>> From: glemon@neb.rr.com >>> To: healeys@autox.team.net >>> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:02:34 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Solid core non-resistor wires >>> >>> " Wonder what else is still available at tractor supply stores that would >>> be good for our cars, and that can't be found at the typical aftermarket >>> auto supply stores. >>> >>> Best >>> Gary" >>> >>> Although I have not had trouble finding it at other places (others on the >>> list have asked where to find it though) tractor supply houses usually are >>> good places to find 30w non-detergent motor oil, they are also usually well >>> stocked with welding supplies. >>> >>> Greg Lemon >>> Nebraska (where it is easier to find a tractor/farm supply store than a Pep >>> Boys) >>> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 11:07:10 2010 From: Derek Job To: "J. Scott Morris" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:07:47 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command Thanks Scott. I'll ad the add and info to my website. Derek On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, J. Scott Morris wrote: > Hello Derek & Rick; > > > > That ad was in the April 1958 [page 2] issue of Sports Car Journal, the > official magazine of the California Sports Car Club. A copy of the ad and > journal is attached. > > > > I realize the attachments will be stripped from the Healey List but not the > reference. > > > > Enjoy the day and Keep Smiling > > > > --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada > > J. Scott Morris - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives > > On *Sun, 8/1/10, Derek Job * wrote: << Thanks for > the link. Although it doesn't mention it, that car is a 100-Six. I thought I > had all the 100-Six ads but I've never seen that one before. >> > > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:12 AM, HealeyRick > > wrote: << Nice feature on "The Chicane" for AH advertisements: > http://thechicaneblog.com/ >> _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 11:07:41 2010 From: Derek Job To: "J. Scott Morris" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:08:21 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Austin-Healey - For the Man in Command Err... that's add the ad! doh On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Derek Job wrote: > Thanks Scott. I'll ad the add and info to my website. > > Derek > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:21 PM, J. Scott Morris wrote: > >> Hello Derek & Rick; >> >> >> >> That ad was in the April 1958 [page 2] issue of Sports Car Journal, the >> official magazine of the California Sports Car Club. A copy of the ad >> and journal is attached. >> >> >> >> I realize the attachments will be stripped from the Healey List but not >> the reference. >> >> >> >> Enjoy the day and Keep Smiling >> >> >> >> --Scott Morris; Simcoe, Ontario, Canada >> >> J. Scott Morris - Keep Smiling, Murphy Lives >> >> On *Sun, 8/1/10, Derek Job * wrote: << Thanks for >> the link. Although it doesn't mention it, that car is a 100-Six. I thought I >> had all the 100-Six ads but I've never seen that one before. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:12 AM, HealeyRick > >> wrote: << Nice feature on "The Chicane" for AH advertisements: >> http://thechicaneblog.com/ >> _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 11:51:46 2010 From: "Herbert Miller" To: "'Don Day'" , "'healey list'" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:51:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] turn power on Bob I just did this task on my BJ8 a few days ago. Here is what I did. Remove both fuses in the fuse box. Remove wire to fuel pump. Wire a external fuse holder between the battery cable and one of the battery terminal. I used a low amp fuse, 7.5 to 15 amp With nothing turned on, check for battery voltage on the brown wires at the fuse box. Brown wires are always hot. If everything is OK, install fuse in the bottom slot. Brown to white. This will supply power to ign. Switch. Turn key to run. If still OK, turn key to off. Wire fuel pump. Turn key to run. Pump should operate. If still OK, replace top fuse in fuse box. This will power the green wires. Now you can check lights, wiper, heater blower and everything else, one at a time. If all is OK, you can connect the battery without the external fuse. You can start the motor. Remember that the white/black wire at the battery cut off switch, in the trunk, is wired directly to the coil. With the battery switch off this wire provides a ground to the coil, a further anti theft feature. If this wire is grounded you will not get spark to the plugs. Worked for me. Herb Miller -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Day Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:02 PM To: healey list Subject: [Healeys] turn power on Hi List, I'm about ready to turn the power onto my new wiring harness.I have gone around and double checked all my connections.All the wires are hooked up to where they should go,hopefully.I was thinking of leaving my new fuel pump disconnected,other than that should I just turn the switch on and hope for the best or is there a sequence of pluging stuff in and look for smoke?I have a new voltage regulator,and new relays everywhere. I would love to just turn the switch on ,listen for the fuel pump to stop clicking,turn the key and the motor will start right up.Anyone had any experience with this step? THanks Don _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/hgmiller3@qwest.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 12:39:03 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Timing Question This weekend I was introduced to another way to fine tune the timing on our cars but I got to the tech session a bit late so I am hoping some one can advise. The theory is to run the car up to about 4500 RPMs and set the timing at approx. 32 degrees. This can be done by using a set back timing light since 32 degrees is not obtainable on our car pulleys. I believe the 4500 RPMs takes the car up to max. advance which gives you a finer timing adjustment. That many RPMs seemed a bit excessive when you heard the cars revving up big time but none of them blew up so I guess no harm was done. Sorry that my comments here are a little vague but I did walk in at the middle of the tech session so the details are a bit foggy. I would like to try this so if any one can enlighten me a little more please do. Please correct me or add to what I have already mentioned. Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 13:04:53 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:05:27 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and engine and am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the highway. The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using Castrol 20-50 now since I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for about 300 miles. Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could swap out and test . My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that I purchased back in 1998. Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am wondering if this could be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows a screw on filter to be used and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All internal/external engine parts are new or rebuilt. Any advise appreciated, Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 13:54:07 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Mark LaPierre Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:54:24 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Timing Question Does not sound illogical to me as the timing would be accurate in the power band you are using when driving spirited. At those revs the mechanical advance system is at max. Be sure though that the balance weights and springs are in good order and moving otherwise you may turn up with the wrong timing at low revs. Kees Oudesluijs Mark LaPierre wrote: > This weekend I was introduced to another way to fine tune the timing on our > cars but I got to > the tech session a bit late so I am hoping some one can advise. The theory > is to run the car > up to about 4500 RPMs and set the timing at approx. 32 degrees. This can be > done by using > a set back timing light since 32 degrees is not obtainable on our car pulleys. > I believe the 4500 > RPMs takes the car up to max. advance which gives you a finer timing > adjustment. That many > RPMs seemed a bit excessive when you heard the cars revving up big time but > none of them > blew up so I guess no harm was done. > > Sorry that my comments here are a little vague but I did walk in at the middle > of the tech session so the details are a bit foggy. I would like to try > this so if any one can enlighten me a little more please do. > > Please correct me or add to what I have already mentioned. > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3044 - datum van uitgifte: 08/01/10 20:40:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 14:03:56 2010 From: "BJ8 Healeys" To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:58:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure Hi, Mark - 40 to 50 psi on the highway when the oil is hot is pretty good. My BJ8 runs at just below 40 on the gauge when hot, and has since the engine rebuild in 1999. I now have 70,000 miles on the engine rebuild and the oil pressure is the same as it was with a fresh engine. At idle (1000 RPM), the pressure when hot can drop down to 20 psi or even lower, with no problems. I have always used Castrol 20W-50 until recently, when I changed to Valvoline VR-1 Racing 20W-50 for the ZDDP content. No change in pressure. I also have a screw-on filter adapter, but it is one of those antiques (1987) from Moss that holds the filter at the same orientation as the original canister. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry Havelock, NC USA -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark LaPierre Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:05 PM To: healeys@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and engine and am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the highway. The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using Castrol 20-50 now since I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for about 300 miles. Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could swap out and test . My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that I purchased back in 1998. Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am wondering if this could be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows a screw on filter to be used and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All internal/external engine parts are new or rebuilt. Any advise appreciated, Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 14:18:40 2010 From: Tom Felts To: BJ8 Healeys , healeys@Autox.Team.Net Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:14:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure My experience is the same as Steve's. I do not have the screw-on oil filter. tom ---- BJ8 Healeys wrote: ============= Hi, Mark - 40 to 50 psi on the highway when the oil is hot is pretty good. My BJ8 runs at just below 40 on the gauge when hot, and has since the engine rebuild in 1999. I now have 70,000 miles on the engine rebuild and the oil pressure is the same as it was with a fresh engine. At idle (1000 RPM), the pressure when hot can drop down to 20 psi or even lower, with no problems. I have always used Castrol 20W-50 until recently, when I changed to Valvoline VR-1 Racing 20W-50 for the ZDDP content. No change in pressure. I also have a screw-on filter adapter, but it is one of those antiques (1987) from Moss that holds the filter at the same orientation as the original canister. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry Havelock, NC USA -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark LaPierre Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:05 PM To: healeys@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and engine and am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the highway. The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using Castrol 20-50 now since I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for about 300 miles. Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could swap out and test . My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that I purchased back in 1998. Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am wondering if this could be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows a screw on filter to be used and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All internal/external engine parts are new or rebuilt. Any advise appreciated, Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts@windstream.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 14:21:45 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: Oudesluys Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Timing Question I always thought centrifugal advance was 'all in' before 4,500rpm. If centrifugal advance was all in at, say, 3,000 rpm which would be high, part-throttle cruising then the vacuum advance should add a few degrees as well. Seem to recall the max advance spec was around 35 deg at 3,000-3,500 or so, but not sure. bs -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA Does not sound illogical to me as the timing would be accurate in the power band you are using when driving spirited. At those revs the mechanical advance system is at max. Be sure though that the balance weights and springs are in good order and moving otherwise you may turn up with the wrong timing at low revs. Kees Oudesluijs Mark LaPierre wrote: > This weekend I was introduced to another way to fine tune the timing on our > cars but I got to > the tech session a bit late so I am hoping some one can advise. The theory > is to run the car > up to about 4500 RPMs and set the timing at approx. 32 degrees. This can be > done by using > a set back timing light since 32 degrees is not obtainable on our car pulleys. > I believe the 4500 > RPMs takes the car up to max. advance which gives you a finer timing > adjustment. That many > RPMs seemed a bit excessive when you heard the cars revving up big time but > none of them > blew up so I guess no harm was done. > > Sorry that my comments here are a little vague but I did walk in at the middle > of the tech session so the details are a bit foggy. I would like to try > this so if any one can enlighten me a little more please do. > > Please correct me or add to what I have already mentioned. > > Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 14:49:13 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: Tom Felts Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:48:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure I would recommend that you temporarily install a calibrated oil pressure gauge in line to see what your actual oil pressure is. The original gauges are notoriously for not reading correctly. Mike MacLean 56 BN2 60 AN5 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Tom Felts wrote: > My experience is the same as Steve's. I do not have the screw-on oil > filter. > > tom > > ---- BJ8 Healeys wrote: > > ============= > Hi, Mark - > 40 to 50 psi on the highway when the oil is hot is pretty good. My BJ8 > runs > at just below 40 on the gauge when hot, and has since the engine rebuild in > 1999. I now have 70,000 miles on the engine rebuild and the oil pressure > is > the same as it was with a fresh engine. At idle (1000 RPM), the pressure > when hot can drop down to 20 psi or even lower, with no problems. I have > always used Castrol 20W-50 until recently, when I changed to Valvoline VR-1 > Racing 20W-50 for the ZDDP content. No change in pressure. I also have a > screw-on filter adapter, but it is one of those antiques (1987) from Moss > that holds the filter at the same orientation as the original canister. > > Steve Byers > HBJ8L/36666 > BJ8 Registry > Havelock, NC USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Mark LaPierre > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:05 PM > To: healeys@Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure > > I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and > engine > and > am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the > highway. > > The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using Castrol > 20-50 now since > I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for > about > 300 miles. > Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could > swap > out and test . > > My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that I > purchased back in 1998. > Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am > wondering > if this could > be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows > a > screw on filter to be used > and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All internal/external > engine parts are new or rebuilt. > > Any advise appreciated, Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 15:07:11 2010 From: healeyguy@aol.com To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:06:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] turn power on Herb Excellent procedure to follow. Eliminates some of the grief of a new harness install. That should added to a web site. Aloha Perry -----Original Message----- From: Herbert Miller To: 'Don Day' ; 'healey list' Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:51 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] turn power on Bob I just did this task on my BJ8 a few days ago. Here is what I did. Remove both fuses in the fuse box. Remove wire to fuel pump. Wire a external fuse holder between the battery cable and one of the battery terminal. I used a low amp fuse, 7.5 to 15 amp With nothing turned on, check for battery voltage on the brown wires at the fuse box. Brown wires are always hot. If everything is OK, install fuse in the bottom slot. Brown to white. This will supply power to ign. Switch. Turn key to run. If still OK, turn key to off. Wire fuel pump. Turn key to run. Pump should operate. If still OK, replace top fuse in fuse box. This will power the green wires. Now you can check lights, wiper, heater blower and everything else, one at a time. If all is OK, you can connect the battery without the external fuse. You can start the motor. Remember that the white/black wire at the battery cut off switch, in the trunk, is wired directly to the coil. With the battery switch off this wire provides a ground to the coil, a further anti theft feature. If this wire is grounded you will not get spark to the plugs. Worked for me. Herb Miller _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 16:17:56 2010 From: "Shop at \" Just Brits \"" To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:13:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure I'm very GLAD I have learned to read ALL mail[s] BEFORE I answer 'questions' or comment !! << I would recommend that you temporarily install a calibrated oil pressure gauge in line to see what your actual oil pressure is. The original gauges are notoriously for not reading correctly. >> Mike has hit the nail on the head, Mark !! I will also say the numbers seem to me to NOT be that far off of 'normal'. Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com [with LOTS of 1st time offers for Listers in the For Sale areas which ARE soon to go to fleabay -:(.] [and MOST is for Big Healey folks] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 16:18:49 2010 From: David Nock To: healeyguy@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:15:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] turn power on The best thing to do when installing a new harness in order to protect it while checking your connections. Using a flasher unit or a circuit breaker from the local auto parts store. Connect a wire to each terminal and the install in series with the battery cable, between the terminal and the cable end. This will protect the entire harness while you are checking that every thing works. You will not be able to leave the headlight on very long or crank the engine over but every thing else will be fine. Then if there is a problem the circuit breaker or flasher unit will open before there is any damage to the harness. Also remember to install an inline fuse on the red wire on the back of the head light switch, This way you will protect the tail lights, marker lights and dash lights. Another option is to install an inline fuse in the white wire that goes under the car at the rear of the intake manifold, This will protect the wiring going to the fuel pump. David Nock British Car Specialists Stockton Ca 95205 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com . . On Aug 2, 2010, at 2:06 PM, healeyguy@aol.com wrote: > Herb > Excellent procedure to follow. Eliminates some of the grief of a new > harness install. That should added to a web site. > Aloha > Perry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herbert Miller > To: 'Don Day' ; 'healey list' > > Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:51 am > Subject: Re: [Healeys] turn power on > > > Bob > I just did this task on my BJ8 a few days ago. Here is what I did. > Remove both fuses in the fuse box. Remove wire to fuel pump. > Wire a external fuse holder between the battery cable and one of the > battery > terminal. > I used a low amp fuse, 7.5 to 15 amp > With nothing turned on, check for battery voltage on the brown > wires at > the > fuse box. Brown wires are always hot. > If everything is OK, install fuse in the bottom slot. Brown to white. > This > will supply power to ign. Switch. > Turn key to run. > If still OK, turn key to off. > Wire fuel pump. Turn key to run. Pump should operate. > If still OK, replace top fuse in fuse box. This will power the green > wires. > Now you can check lights, wiper, heater blower and everything else, > one > at a > time. If all is OK, you can connect the battery without the external > fuse. > You can start the motor. Remember that the white/black wire at the > battery > cut off switch, in the trunk, is wired directly to the coil. With the > battery switch off this wire provides a ground to the coil, a further > anti > theft feature. If this wire is grounded you will not get spark to the > plugs. > Worked for me. > Herb Miller > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ > healeydoc@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 16:47:48 2010 From: George Haywood To: , Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:48:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Girling Brake Booster Greg, I second Rich's recommendation. I've Have had a rebuild by John Stewart Power Brake on my bj8 since 2007 with many miles on all kinds of terrain without a problem. The cost will be around $450 Canadian. Send it to them by US Postal Service to avoid brokerage fees of UPS ($40+). Take care, George Haywood > Who ever said, "Healey people are the nicest people until they go to sell it." is a sage. > > I picked up a brake booster off eBay (I know, but it's where I got my car) with no indication as to condition. All questions received vague answers. > > But, hey! It was VERY Clean, rust free and relatively cheap but, when I opened it, it had about a pint of break fluid in it. > > I know I asked before, but I'm forgetful: > > If anyone on the list rebuilds boosters or you have a recommendation as to who rebuilds them, if you would, please, send me an email with their contact information, prices and success rate. > > Thanks > > Greg _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 17:19:22 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:18:37 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure Mark , I built my BJ8 and it runs around 55 to 65 hot while driving which I am quite satisfied with. You should run a compression test since it is a new engine and see where you stand. I live at 7000 ft elevation and I have 180 lbs per cylinder which is really good for my altitude. I also run the same type oil filter as you . The only way I could see better oil pressure is maybe 60wt or 50wt valvoline racing oil but I run castrol 20-50 as well . Sounds like your pressure is good don't worry about it. If you live a cold winter climate don't run the straight 50 or 60 in the winter. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 17:20:29 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:19:52 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Is anyone running any type of oil additives such as synthetic or otherwise? _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 18:50:53 2010 From: Tom Felts To: gmandas@yahoo.com, George Haywood , Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:51:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Girling Brake Booster White Post in Va does them for around $470.00 ---- George Haywood wrote: ============= Greg, I second Rich's recommendation. I've Have had a rebuild by John Stewart Power Brake on my bj8 since 2007 with many miles on all kinds of terrain without a problem. The cost will be around $450 Canadian. Send it to them by US Postal Service to avoid brokerage fees of UPS ($40+). Take care, George Haywood > Who ever said, "Healey people are the nicest people until they go to sell it." is a sage. > > I picked up a brake booster off eBay (I know, but it's where I got my car) with no indication as to condition. All questions received vague answers. > > But, hey! It was VERY Clean, rust free and relatively cheap but, when I opened it, it had about a pint of break fluid in it. > > I know I asked before, but I'm forgetful: > > If anyone on the list rebuilds boosters or you have a recommendation as to who rebuilds them, if you would, please, send me an email with their contact information, prices and success rate. > > Thanks > > Greg _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts@windstream.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 19:02:09 2010 From: "Richard Mastronardi" To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:54:04 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 1967 BJ8 for sale I have a very nice late model 1967 BJ8 for sale. I hate part with it, but I am out of car space. It needs nothing and drives great. Photo attached. More details, if you are seriously interested. Rich [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN5026.JPG] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 19:03:29 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: "Mark LaPierre" , Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:04:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure', Follow Up You guys are great. I will sleep a bit better knowing that the oil pressure should be in the OK area at 40 to 50 lbs. I don't know why but the MGs that I have been driving run in the range of 50 to 70 highway speeds. I just figured that this was the acceptable range for all LBCs. I may try Rolands idea on reusing the old pressure spring which I still have stashed away with all the other used parts that I kept. However I bet that project is a real bear to get at compared to doing it on the engine stand. I think I will get the top installed first, ; ) Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark LaPierre" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:05 PM Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure >I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and >engine > and > am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the > highway. > > The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using > Castrol > 20-50 now since > I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for > about > 300 miles. > Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could > swap > out and test . > > My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that > I > purchased back in 1998. > Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am > wondering > if this could > be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows > a > screw on filter to be used > and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All > internal/external > engine parts are new or rebuilt. > > Any advise appreciated, Mark > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 20:33:46 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Years ago I was at a swap meet and saw a oil treatment product that was being tested. The test was they put there treatment into a 1960's chevrolet engine and ran it for a couple hours they the drained the oil and took the oil pan off the engine and recranked the engine with no oil and they let it run non stop for ten hours mind you with no oil and no oil pan. That sold me. This product is called IXL and you can only order it and you put it in every 40,000 miles or once a year. You don't put more in when you change oil. This additive soaks into all metal moving parts and there is never a dry start up. It can be used in all the following applications. power steering automatic transmissions manual transmissions transfer cases wheel bearing and cv joints 2 cycle engines as well it can be used in conjuction with upto 80 wt lubes. It is also used in tractor hydraulics. I had found in tearing engines down that I used this product in there was no wear to rods , main, or cam bearings. I even run this stuff in my Harley and my lawn Mower. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 20:39:45 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: Tom Felts Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure My car is freash out of the barn without a rebuild. I run 60# Greg 65BJ8 Sent from my iPhone so please excuse typos and brevity. On Aug 2, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Tom Felts wrote: My experience is the same as Steve's. I do not have the screw-on oil filter. tom ---- BJ8 Healeys wrote: ============= Hi, Mark - 40 to 50 psi on the highway when the oil is hot is pretty good. My BJ8 runs at just below 40 on the gauge when hot, and has since the engine rebuild in 1999. I now have 70,000 miles on the engine rebuild and the oil pressure is the same as it was with a fresh engine. At idle (1000 RPM), the pressure when hot can drop down to 20 psi or even lower, with no problems. I have always used Castrol 20W-50 until recently, when I changed to Valvoline VR-1 Racing 20W-50 for the ZDDP content. No change in pressure. I also have a screw-on filter adapter, but it is one of those antiques (1987) from Moss that holds the filter at the same orientation as the original canister. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry Havelock, NC USA -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark LaPierre Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:05 PM To: healeys@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and engine and am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the highway. The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using Castrol 20-50 now since I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for about 300 miles. Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could swap out and test . My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that I purchased back in 1998. Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am wondering if this could be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows a screw on filter to be used and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All internal/external engine parts are new or rebuilt. Any advise appreciated, Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts@windstream.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gmandas@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 20:53:57 2010 From: "Skip Saunders" To: "'Frederich Ficke'" , Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:54:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives You might be interested in this web site: http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/facts_about_aftermarket_oil_addi.htm Thanks -skip- BJ7, BJ8 -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frederich Ficke Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:34 PM To: healeys@autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Years ago I was at a swap meet and saw a oil treatment product that was being tested. The test was they put there treatment into a 1960's chevrolet engine and ran it for a couple hours they the drained the oil and took the oil pan off the engine and recranked the engine with no oil and they let it run non stop for ten hours mind you with no oil and no oil pan. That sold me. This product is called IXL and you can only order it and you put it in every 40,000 miles or once a year. You don't put more in when you change oil. This additive soaks into all metal moving parts and there is never a dry start up. It can be used in all the following applications. power steering automatic transmissions manual transmissions transfer cases wheel bearing and cv joints 2 cycle engines as well it can be used in conjuction with upto 80 wt lubes. It is also used in tractor hydraulics. I had found in tearing engines down that I used this product in there was no wear to rods , main, or cam bearings. I even run this stuff in my Harley and my lawn Mower. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tfsbj7@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 21:01:56 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Healey Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:59:34 +0800 Subject: [Healeys] OT:Automotive Hydraulic pump advice Hi - I know lots of you are pretty smart around machinery and fleet vehicles - I'd like to find a hydraulic power pump, shaft driven, rated at about 600 - 700 psi. I would use it on my Jag Mk IX, which the rotary vane Burman pump on it is bleeding too much pressure when hot or at idle - it makes the beast hard to drive when parking. It would attach to the back of the Hitachi alternator I have mounted on the car. I don't know anyone who fixes the vanes on these pumps. Any thoughts how to do this? I'm sure something like this is out there in heavy equipment land. Thanks, Alan _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 21:03:49 2010 From: I Erbs To: Mark LaPierre Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:04:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure', Follow Up 4 cyl vs 6 cyl ? On Aug 2, 2010 6:04 PM, "Mark LaPierre" wrote: You guys are great. I will sleep a bit better knowing that the oil pressure should be in the OK area at 40 to 50 lbs. I don't know why but the MGs that I have been driving run in the range of 50 to 70 highway speeds. I just figured that this was the acceptable range for all LBCs. I may try Rolands idea on reusing the old pressure spring which I still have stashed away with all the other used parts that I kept. However I bet that project is a real bear to get at compared to doing it on the engine stand. I think I will get the top installed first, ; ) Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark LaPierre" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:05 PM Subject: [Healeys] Oil Pressure I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and > engine > and > am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the > highway. > > The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using Castrol > 20-50 now since > I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for > about > 300 miles. > Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could > swap > out and test . > > My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that I > purchased back in 1998. > Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am > wondering > if this could > be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows > a > screw on filter to be used > and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All internal/external > engine parts are new or rebuilt. > > Any advise appreciated, Mark > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 21:04:31 2010 From: Richard Ewald To: Skip Saunders Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:05:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives You can always rely on Amsoil for a laugh. What is high potency zinc? How is Head and Shoulders like Coke? Coke has zinc in it? Who knew? Rick On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Skip Saunders wrote: > You might be interested in this web site: > > > http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/facts_about_aftermarket_oil_addi.htm > > Thanks > -skip- > BJ7, BJ8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Frederich Ficke > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:34 PM > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives > > Years ago I was at a swap meet and saw a oil treatment product that was > being tested. The test was they put there treatment into a 1960's chevrolet > engine and ran it for a couple hours they the drained the oil and took the > oil pan off the engine and recranked the engine with no oil and they let it > run non stop for ten hours mind you with no oil and no oil pan. That sold > me. This product is called IXL and you can only order it and you put it in > every 40,000 miles or once a year. You don't put more in when you change > oil. This additive soaks into all metal moving parts and there is never a > dry start up. It can be used in all the following applications. > power steering > automatic transmissions > manual transmissions > transfer cases > wheel bearing and cv joints > 2 cycle engines as well > it can be used in conjuction with upto 80 wt lubes. It is also used in > tractor hydraulics. > I had found in tearing engines down that I used this product in there was > no > wear to rods , main, or cam bearings. I even run this stuff in my Harley > and > my lawn Mower. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tfsbj7@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 21:20:16 2010 From: Richard Ewald To: Alan Seigrist Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:11:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] OT:Automotive Hydraulic pump advice Can you rebuild the pump you have? Rotary pumps are dirt simple inside. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > Hi - > > I know lots of you are pretty smart around machinery and fleet vehicles - > > I'd like to find a hydraulic power pump, shaft driven, rated at about 600 - > 700 psi. I would use it on my Jag Mk IX, which the rotary vane Burman pump > on it is bleeding too much pressure when hot or at idle - it makes the > beast > hard to drive when parking. It would attach to the back of the Hitachi > alternator I have mounted on the car. I don't know anyone who fixes the > vanes on these pumps. > > Any thoughts how to do this? I'm sure something like this is out there in > heavy equipment land. > > Thanks, > > Alan > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 21:21:21 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: Greg Mandas Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure Drat! I hit send again before I was done. Fat fingers. Small iPhone. Picking up from where I left off... My car is fresh out of the barn without a rebuild. I run 60# cold and 25-30# hot. I took it to my mechanic and he wrapped on the pressure gauge and pronounced it sluggish. It would go down to 25# at a very low idle and continue to read low because it was stuck. You might want to raise the rpms a bit after a low idle, give it a wrap and see if it's sluggish. Greg 65BJ8 Sent from my iPhone so please excuse typos and brevity. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 21:21:50 2010 From: "John Sims" To: "'Richard Ewald'" , "'Skip Saunders'" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:18:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Take a look at: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/ And then go to the forum on that site if you want to know all about oil. John Sims, BN6 Aberdeen, NJ http://www.healey6.com -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ewald Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:05 PM To: Skip Saunders Cc: healeys@autox.team.net; Frederich Ficke Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives You can always rely on Amsoil for a laugh. What is high potency zinc? How is Head and Shoulders like Coke? Coke has zinc in it? Who knew? Rick On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Skip Saunders wrote: > You might be interested in this web site: > > > http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/facts_about_aftermarket_oil_ad > di.htm > > Thanks > -skip- > BJ7, BJ8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Frederich Ficke > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:34 PM > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 21:22:17 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Richard Ewald Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:20:04 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] OT:Automotive Hydraulic pump advice The pump's rotor is 4 bladed, machined on the shaft. The vane is 5 blades. Not sure how I'd go about getting the vanes build up and re machined... On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Richard Ewald wrote: > Can you rebuild the pump you have? Rotary pumps are dirt simple inside. > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> I know lots of you are pretty smart around machinery and fleet vehicles - >> >> I'd like to find a hydraulic power pump, shaft driven, rated at about 600 >> - >> 700 psi. I would use it on my Jag Mk IX, which the rotary vane Burman >> pump >> on it is bleeding too much pressure when hot or at idle - it makes the >> beast >> hard to drive when parking. It would attach to the back of the Hitachi >> alternator I have mounted on the car. I don't know anyone who fixes the >> vanes on these pumps. >> >> Any thoughts how to do this? I'm sure something like this is out there in >> heavy equipment land. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Alan >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richard.ewald@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 22:02:08 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 00:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives well i have read these articals and am still amazed at what I saw on the test running a dry engine for so many hours. If it hadn't had the additive and the oil had been drained it wouldn't take long to lock that engine up while running with no oil. Since I am a believer tomorrow I am going to put a quart of Dr. pepper in my engine just to see what happens after all it is only about about $4000.00 in machine work and parts to rebuild it. lol _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 22:03:06 2010 From: To: "healeys@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:01:07 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] =?iso-8859-1?q?oil_guy?= just read the forum from the oil guy that john sims recommended. blew away everything i thought i knew about oil. i would like to read another report to confirm the oil guy's thesis. i do not mind paying more for the synthetic oil, but it seems every healey i have seen with synthetic oil leaks excessively. what is the fix for that? modern cars do not use cork and paper gaskets so they have no problem with leaks. any recommendations? hjim _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 22:17:10 2010 From: "Skip Saunders" To: "'John Sims'" , "'Richard Ewald'" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 00:12:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Yes, I should have referenced something more credible...like "bobistheoilguy"... http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9792 76 But the outcome appears to be the same: IXL is not recommended, and the "flea-market-demo" appears to be debunked too.... Anyone interested in more information can surely dive deeper into the internet, but I seem to recall someone telling me: "If it sounds too good to be true, then...." I'm sticking with normal oil change intervals with good quality oils appropriate for my era Healeys. Thanks -skip- BJ7, BJ8 In any case, I agree, the AMSOIL site is good for a grin... -----Original Message----- From: John Sims [mailto:ahbn6@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:19 PM To: 'Richard Ewald'; 'Skip Saunders' Cc: healeys@autox.team.net; 'Frederich Ficke' Subject: RE: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Take a look at: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/cms/ And then go to the forum on that site if you want to know all about oil. John Sims, BN6 Aberdeen, NJ http://www.healey6.com -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ewald Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:05 PM To: Skip Saunders Cc: healeys@autox.team.net; Frederich Ficke Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives You can always rely on Amsoil for a laugh. What is high potency zinc? How is Head and Shoulders like Coke? Coke has zinc in it? Who knew? Rick On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Skip Saunders wrote: > You might be interested in this web site: > > > http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/facts_about_aftermarket_oil_ad > di.htm > > Thanks > -skip- > BJ7, BJ8 > > -----Original Message----- > From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto: > healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Frederich Ficke > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:34 PM > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 2 22:32:14 2010 From: "Skip Saunders" To: "'Frederich Ficke'" , Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 00:29:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Dr Pepper...lol.. (one of the things I like about this forum is everyone's sense of humor...) I would agree, the flea-market demonstration is certainly attention grabbing... but then, the huckster has the advantage in those kinds of demonstration... and if the flea-market demo isn't dramatic, then they can't get sales, so they are usually designed to be dramatic. ( I remember buying a "Ginzo Knive" because the demonstration guy could really cut up carrots swiftly....turns out the knife works, but my carrot cutting dexterity still has not achieved his levels of performance...:-) ) Thanks -skip- -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frederich Ficke Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:01 AM To: healeys@autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives well i have read these articals and am still amazed at what I saw on the test running a dry engine for so many hours. If it hadn't had the additive and the oil had been drained it wouldn't take long to lock that engine up while running with no oil. Since I am a believer tomorrow I am going to put a quart of Dr. pepper in my engine just to see what happens after all it is only about about $4000.00 in machine work and parts to rebuild it. lol _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tfsbj7@mindspring.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 00:03:03 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Mark LaPierre Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:59:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure Sounds quite normal for this car. These engines do not normally run very high oil pressures. Kees Oudesluijs NL Mark LaPierre wrote: > I have clocked about 400 miles since a complete overhaul on my car and engine > and > am experiencing some pretty low oil pressure at 40 to 50 pounds on the > highway. > > The car runs smooth, idles well, no oil leaks (yet) , I am using Castrol > 20-50 now since > I changed from the Valvoline 20-50 plus a break in oil , which I ran for about > 300 miles. > Changing the oil made no difference. I do have other gauges that I could swap > out and test . > > My main thought is that I am using a Moss spin on oil filter adaptor that I > purchased back in 1998. > Seems to me there were some issues with some of these units and I am wondering > if this could > be the cause of low oil pressure. This is the one piece unit that allows a > screw on filter to be used > and the filter sticks straight out from the engine. All internal/external > engine parts are new or rebuilt. > > Any advise appreciated, Mark > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3044 - datum van uitgifte: 08/01/10 20:40:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 01:47:52 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Frederich Ficke Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:45:46 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Bullocks!! Kees Oudesluijs Frederich Ficke wrote: > Years ago I was at a swap meet and saw a oil treatment product that was > being tested. The test was they put there treatment into a 1960's chevrolet > engine and ran it for a couple hours they the drained the oil and took the > oil pan off the engine and recranked the engine with no oil and they let it > run non stop for ten hours mind you with no oil and no oil pan. That sold > me. This product is called IXL and you can only order it and you put it in > every 40,000 miles or once a year. You don't put more in when you change > oil. This additive soaks into all metal moving parts and there is never a > dry start up. It can be used in all the following applications. > power steering > automatic transmissions > manual transmissions > transfer cases > wheel bearing and cv joints > 2 cycle engines as well > it can be used in conjuction with upto 80 wt lubes. It is also used in > tractor hydraulics. > I had found in tearing engines down that I used this product in there was no > wear to rods , main, or cam bearings. I even run this stuff in my Harley and > my lawn Mower. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3044 - datum van uitgifte: 08/01/10 20:40:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 02:02:19 2010 From: Oudesluys To: healeymanjim@hansencc.net Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:59:45 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] oil guy Rebuild your engine first with proper gaskets and seals and than use synthetic oil if you must. But what is the point? These engines are mostly designed for mineral 20W50 and they run perfectly well on that. Kees Oudesluijs NL healeymanjim@hansencc.net wrote: > just read the forum from the oil guy that john sims recommended. blew away everything i thought i knew about oil. i would like to read another report to confirm the oil guy's thesis. i do not mind paying more for the synthetic oil, but it seems every healey i have seen with synthetic oil leaks excessively. what is the fix for that? modern cars do not use cork and paper gaskets so they have no problem with leaks. any recommendations? hjim > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3044 - datum van uitgifte: 08/01/10 20:40:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 06:02:00 2010 From: john doe To: Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 05:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] Powertune Brake Booster Getting ready to install a new powertune brake booster any one elae do one and possibly have any pics of the install read alot of confusing articles on the web is there something about the position thats important also the mounting brackets _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 07:30:50 2010 From: Stephen Hutchings To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:30:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives I'd like to remind you all of Mike Salter's experience with Valvoline racing oil in the Targa Newfoundland. My memory of the exact details is vague, but essentially, after knocking a hole in the sump and losing all his oil, he drove for a number of miles under competition conditions, and didn't seem to do any damage....maybe he will pipe in with the full story! Stephen, BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 07:32:17 2010 From: Stephen Hutchings To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:32:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives .....I think you mean "Bollocks!".....? Stephen Bullocks!! Kees Oudesluijs _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 07:46:42 2010 From: "warthodson@aol.com" To: jagwarman@gmail.com, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:46:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives If you don't plan on running your engine with out oil & an oil pan, what is the benefit of this additive? Maybe the acid created by the additive helps keep the bearings shinny. Gary _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 07:49:39 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Stephen Hutchings Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:49:46 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Used DD, Kees Oudesluijs Stephen Hutchings wrote: > .....I think you mean "Bollocks!".....? > Stephen > > > > Bullocks!! > Kees Oudesluijs > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3046 - datum van uitgifte: 08/02/10 19:59:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 08:54:23 2010 From: Richard Ewald To: Stephen Hutchings Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:53:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives FWIW, I witnessed something like this when I was a young pup in the gas station. A buddy of the boss had just bought an old Rambler with a straight 6 for $50. It had a noise in the engine. We listened to it, sounded like it was from the valves, so we pulled the cover. Didn't see anything wrong, so we started it. Still could not localize the noise, so we raised it on the rack, now it sounded like it was from the bottom. So we shut it off drained the oil and pulled the pan. Everything looked OK, so they started the engine. Still could not localize the noise. About that time a string of gas customers came in, and I was busy helping them. When the gas customers finally ran out, I went back into the lube room only to find no Rambler, no boss and no boss's buddy. WTF? I look around and see the oil pan on the ground WTF? Seriously WTF? At this point I am baffled. About 20 minutes later they drove back in. When they could not localize the noise they said what the hell, it's only a $50 dollar car and they drove it to the machine shop to have the machinest listen to it. Number 2 rod bearing was bad. they bought a rod bearing, and a pan gasket and drove the sucker back to the gas station. They installed the bearing, pan and poured the old oil back into the car. It ran for at least 1 more year. Of couse at other times, I have seen engines grenade about 1 second after the oil pressure light went on. YMMV Rick On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Stephen Hutchings wrote: > I'd like to remind you all of Mike Salter's experience with Valvoline > racing oil in the Targa Newfoundland. My memory of the exact details is > vague, but essentially, after knocking a hole in the sump and losing all his > oil, he drove for a number of miles under competition conditions, and didn't > seem to do any damage....maybe he will pipe in with the full story! > > Stephen, BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 09:01:46 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: Richard Ewald Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:58:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Hoo boy. If a little knowledge is a bad thing, a little science is a tarrible thing (as Charles Barkley would say). Amsoil is really reaching here (another reason I prefer Redline). My guess is a lot of the aftermarket products have ZDDP in them, which is a compound of zinc, phosphorous and oxygen. The Amsoil argument seems to be: 1) Head&Shoulders has zinc in it (the active ingredient is a zinc compound). You wouldn't put Head&Shoulders in your engine, would you dummy? 2) Coke has phosphoric acid in it, phosphoric acid is made with phosphorous, you wouldn't put Coke in your engine, would you, idiot (as an aside, phosphoric acid will dissolve rust--it's the active ingredient in Naval Jelly--which is why Coke is sometimes recommended for rust removal)? ZDDP is a very specialized compound, with a proven track record for protecting against metal on metal contact. Both the zinc and phosphorous are required in an exact formulation--putting both Coke and H&S in your engine will not accomplish the same result (and would make you, well, a dummy). Now, whether you think the reduction/removal of ZDDP in engine oil is a crisis or not is another topic we've beaten to death. bs Richard Ewald wrote: > You can always rely on Amsoil for a laugh. > What is high potency zinc? > How is Head and Shoulders like Coke? > Coke has zinc in it? Who knew? > > Rick > > ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 09:31:13 2010 From: Chris Dimmock To: Bob Spidell Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 01:28:07 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Ok. This is getting confusing... Is it OK with you guys if I just continue to put engine oil (Penrite hpr40) in my Healey; put Rum (Inner Circle) in my coke; and use shampoo (whichever one my lovely hairdresser girlfriend gets me) to wash my hair? ;-) Chris Sent from my iPhone On 04/08/2010, at 12:58 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > Hoo boy. If a little knowledge is a bad thing, a little science is > a tarrible thing (as Charles Barkley would say). > > Amsoil is really reaching here (another reason I prefer Redline). > My guess is a lot of the aftermarket products have ZDDP in them, > which is a compound of zinc, phosphorous and oxygen. The Amsoil > argument seems to be: > > 1) Head&Shoulders has zinc in it (the active ingredient is a zinc > compound). You wouldn't put Head&Shoulders in your engine, would > you dummy? > > 2) Coke has phosphoric acid in it, phosphoric acid is made with > phosphorous, you wouldn't put Coke in your engine, would you, idiot > (as an aside, phosphoric acid will dissolve rust--it's the active > ingredient in Naval Jelly--which is why Coke is sometimes > recommended for rust removal)? > > ZDDP is a very specialized compound, with a proven track record for > protecting against metal on metal contact. Both the zinc and > phosphorous are required in an exact formulation--putting both Coke > and H&S in your engine will not accomplish the same result (and > would make you, well, a dummy). > > Now, whether you think the reduction/removal of ZDDP in engine oil > is a crisis or not is another topic we've beaten to death. > > > bs > > > Richard Ewald wrote: >> You can always rely on Amsoil for a laugh. >> What is high potency zinc? >> How is Head and Shoulders like Coke? >> Coke has zinc in it? Who knew? >> _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 09:37:14 2010 From: Alan Bromfield To: Healey Mail List Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:37:26 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Fitting Windscreen assebly Team. Some advice please. I have built my (BN4) windscreen and assembled the side pillars to it. Next step is to insert the rubber moulding into the bottom channel before then dropping the whole assembly into the locating holes between wings and shroud. My question regards the surplus length of the rubber moulding at each end. If I trim the excess at each end of the chrome channel then there will be a small gap between the pillar and the rubber seal for water to get through. If I leave the ends protruding then I guess they would have to be dropped down the same holes that the 'legs' go through. That will interfere with the rubber foot pads that sit on top of the wing/shroud, and I'm not sure there is enough room inboard of the legs to allow that. Am I missing a trick? Thanks.................... _________________________________________ (______________ Alan Bromfield_______________) (_______\____1957-BN4____/________) (__tinyurl.com/bluehealey _) _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 09:38:46 2010 From: Richard Ewald To: Chris Dimmock Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:39:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Jeez, try and keep up. The rum is a fuel additive, the shampoo and coke go in the crankcase, you wash your hair with drain oil, and drink the gasoline. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Chris Dimmock wrote: > Ok. > This is getting confusing... > Is it OK with you guys if I just continue to put engine oil (Penrite hpr40) > in my Healey; put Rum (Inner Circle) in my coke; and use shampoo (whichever > one my lovely hairdresser girlfriend gets me) to wash my hair? > ;-) > Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 04/08/2010, at 12:58 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > > Hoo boy. If a little knowledge is a bad thing, a little science is a >> tarrible thing (as Charles Barkley would say). >> >> Amsoil is really reaching here (another reason I prefer Redline). My >> guess is a lot of the aftermarket products have ZDDP in them, which is a >> compound of zinc, phosphorous and oxygen. The Amsoil argument seems to be: >> >> 1) Head&Shoulders has zinc in it (the active ingredient is a zinc >> compound). You wouldn't put Head&Shoulders in your engine, would you dummy? >> >> 2) Coke has phosphoric acid in it, phosphoric acid is made with >> phosphorous, you wouldn't put Coke in your engine, would you, idiot (as an >> aside, phosphoric acid will dissolve rust--it's the active ingredient in >> Naval Jelly--which is why Coke is sometimes recommended for rust removal)? >> >> ZDDP is a very specialized compound, with a proven track record for >> protecting against metal on metal contact. Both the zinc and phosphorous >> are required in an exact formulation--putting both Coke and H&S in your >> engine will not accomplish the same result (and would make you, well, a >> dummy). >> >> Now, whether you think the reduction/removal of ZDDP in engine oil is a >> crisis or not is another topic we've beaten to death. >> >> >> bs >> >> >> Richard Ewald wrote: >> >>> You can always rely on Amsoil for a laugh. >>> What is high potency zinc? >>> How is Head and Shoulders like Coke? >>> Coke has zinc in it? Who knew? >>> _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 09:47:11 2010 From: Editorgary@aol.com To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:44:32 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Additives In a message dated 8/3/10 5:04:19 AM, healeys-request@autox.team.net writes: > I'm sticking with normal oil change intervals with good quality oils > appropriate for my era Healeys. > Just be sure not to use distilled oil; you need that chlorinated EP additive. For the record, I run Valvoline dino in the Healey and Mobil1 or Redline syn in the much higher revving MGA race car. The Healey oil pressure stays around 40 at speed, and drops to 25 at idle. Always has. Cheers Gary _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 09:47:53 2010 From: To: Healeys Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:45:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] oil guy >> it seems every healey i have seen with synthetic oil leaks excessively. What about the other ones? ;) Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen )http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/2009FallTour.jpg > From: healeymanjim@hansencc.net > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 04:01:07 +0000 > Subject: [Healeys] oil guy > > just read the forum from the oil guy that john sims recommended. blew away everything i thought i knew about oil. i would like to read another report to confirm the oil guy's thesis. i do not mind paying more for the synthetic oil, but it seems every healey i have seen with synthetic oil leaks excessively. what is the fix for that? modern cars do not use cork and paper gaskets so they have no problem with leaks. any recommendations? hjim > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 10:08:23 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] BN2 Dipstick The dipstick on our BN2 (100M) bottoms out on the pan--is this normal/typical? TIA, Bob -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 10:31:00 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Dipstick I should add the stick only has a rubber 'hood,' which slides about; i.e. there's no quillion to limit travel. bs -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA The dipstick on our BN2 (100M) bottoms out on the pan--is this normal/typical? TIA, Bob _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 10:46:20 2010 From: I Erbs To: healey help Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:44:00 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] BT 7 dash Should my dash be painted before I cover it in vinyl? Should it match the interior or be black? 1960 BT 7 blue over white _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 10:48:53 2010 From: "Herbert Miller" To: "'I Erbs'" , "'healey help'" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:49:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BT 7 dash I just striped the vinyl off my BT7. No paint on dash panel. Herb Miller -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of I Erbs Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:44 AM To: healey help Subject: [Healeys] BT 7 dash Should my dash be painted before I cover it in vinyl? Should it match the interior or be black? 1960 BT 7 blue over white _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/hgmiller3@qwest.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 10:56:19 2010 From: David Nock To: Bob Spidell Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:56:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Dipstick YES David Nock British Car Specialists Stockton Ca 95205 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com . . On Aug 3, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > The dipstick on our BN2 (100M) bottoms out on the pan--is this > normal/typical? > > TIA, > Bob > > -------------------------------- > Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ > healeydoc@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 11:06:06 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?ZXllcmEzQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==?=" To: "=?utf-8?B?SGVyYmVydCBNaWxsZXI=?=" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 10:06:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?BT_7_dash?= What color is the covering? Thanks Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Please excuse typos Ira Erbs DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting ----- Reply message ----- From: "Herbert Miller" Date: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 9:49 am Subject: [Healeys] BT 7 dash To: "'I Erbs'" , "'healey help'" I just striped the vinyl off my BT7. No paint on dash panel. Herb Miller -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of I Erbs Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:44 AM To: healey help Subject: [Healeys] BT 7 dash Should my dash be painted before I cover it in vinyl? Should it match the interior or be black? 1960 BT 7 blue over white _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/hgmiller3@qwest.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 11:09:16 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: Bob Spidell Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:09:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Dipstick By design. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Bob Spidell wrote: > The dipstick on our BN2 (100M) bottoms out on the pan--is this > normal/typical? > > TIA, > Bob > > -------------------------------- > Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 11:16:08 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: Richard Ewald Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:15:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Richard Ewald wrote: > Jeez, try and keep up. > The rum is a fuel additive, the shampoo and coke go in the crankcase, you > wash your hair with drain oil, and *drink the gasoline*. > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Chris Dimmock >wrote: > *Petrola (as in gasoline)Drink Recipe* * * *Courtesy of David Sheppard (British ex-patriot) Mexico City Jaguar Club* * * *Old-fashioned glass with plenty of ice* *1 Serrano pepper* *1 lemon* *2 Shots (3 oz.) Tequila* *5-6 dashes of Maggi Sauce (Worcestershire Sauce)* * * *Squeeze the juice of one lemon in glass full of ice.* * * *Add Tequila. * * * *Rub the Serrano pepper between your hands to bring the oils to the surface. Then lightly cut down the length of the pepper four times and place in the glass.* * * *Add Worcestershire sauce and stir.* * * *Enjoy! Eating the pepper is optional. I personally salt the rim of the glass as in a Margarita.* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 11:17:11 2010 From: "Rich C" To: "I Erbs" , "healey help" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:17:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BT 7 dash Ira, Strip off the glued vinyl and clean carefully. There's no paint under it. Then carefully apply the vinyl to trim the dash, same colours as the interior. Your Blue/white car should have dark navy interior, therefore dash should be dark navy vinyl. Rich -------------------------------------------------- From: "I Erbs" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:44 PM To: "healey help" Subject: [Healeys] BT 7 dash > Should my dash be painted before I cover it in vinyl? Should it match the > interior or be black? > 1960 BT 7 blue over white > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 11:24:48 2010 From: I Erbs To: Rich C Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:24:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BT 7 dash Thanks. Dash has been media blasted, so it is really clean. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Rich C wrote: > Ira, > > Strip off the glued vinyl and clean carefully. There's no paint under it. > Then carefully apply the vinyl to trim the dash, same colours as the > interior. Your Blue/white car should have dark navy interior, therefore dash > should be dark navy vinyl. > > Rich > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "I Erbs" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:44 PM > To: "healey help" > > Subject: [Healeys] BT 7 dash > > Should my dash be painted before I cover it in vinyl? Should it match the >> interior or be black? >> 1960 BT 7 blue over white >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net >> > > -- Ira Erbs Portland, OR _______ _______ (______ \____1960 BT7____/ _______) (_________________________) _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 11:33:25 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN2 Dipstick Thanks to all who responded--mystery solved. bs -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 12:47:22 2010 From: "Jerry Costanzo" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:47:34 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? I bought one of my Healeys from a guy who insisted that he always installed the grill prior to putting the shroud on the car. Have any of you tried that? Jerry BN4 BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 12:56:19 2010 From: To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:56:35 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? Jerry, Does he mask the grill for the paintwork? Josef Eckert Konigswinter/Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jerry Costanzo Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. August 2010 20:48 An: healeys@Autox.Team.Net Betreff: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? I bought one of my Healeys from a guy who insisted that he always installed the grill prior to putting the shroud on the car. Have any of you tried that? Jerry BN4 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 13:32:25 2010 From: Richard Dryman To: Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Haven't seen this reported yet: Goldie redone: in Sports & Exotic Car, Sept 2010 issue; 4 pages, 11 color photos plus the next 4 pages on the guys who redid her: Jeff's Resurrections, Tx. w/14 color photos( not all of Goldie). All new 24 Carat gold, all new kid interior, all new paint !!! _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 14:24:21 2010 From: "Blue Healey" To: "Healey List" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:24:30 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] Fitting Windscreen assembly - update Team. Not sure if my words painted the picture so I have posted the query on the Forum too with some shots to illustrate. http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=72 Thanks......... -----Original Message----- Team. Some advice please. I have built my (BN4) windscreen and assembled the side pillars to it. Next step is to insert the rubber moulding into the bottom channel before then dropping the whole assembly into the locating holes between wings and shroud. My question regards the surplus length of the rubber moulding at each end. If I trim the excess at each end of the chrome channel then there will be a small gap between the pillar and the rubber seal for water to get through. If I leave the ends protruding then I guess they would have to be dropped down the same holes that the 'legs' go through. That will interfere with the rubber foot pads that sit on top of the wing/shroud, and I'm not sure there is enough room inboard of the legs to allow that. Am I missing a trick? Thanks.................... ____________________________________________ (______________ Alan Bromfield_______________) (_______\____1957-BN4____/________) (__tinyurl.com/bluehealey _) _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 15:08:39 2010 From: CAWS52803@aol.com To: rdryman1@yahoo.com, Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:08:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Is this the second Goldie? The first one I know of was done by Bruce Phillips of Healey Surgeons in Maryland almost 20 years ago. Rudy in Lenoir, NC _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 15:22:00 2010 From: "Jerry Costanzo" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:16:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? I have seen him do 3 cars but he always paints the cars prior to installing shroud, fendors, etc. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:56 AM To: Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > Jerry, > Does he mask the grill for the paintwork? > > Josef Eckert > Konigswinter/Germany > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jerry Costanzo > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. August 2010 20:48 > An: healeys@Autox.Team.Net > Betreff: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > > I bought one of my Healeys from a guy who insisted that he always > installed > the grill prior to putting the shroud on the car. Have any of you tried > that? > > Jerry > BN4 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/grumpyinloomis@ssctv.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 15:34:05 2010 From: David Nock To: CAWS52803@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:31:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again As far as i know there is only one. We brought it out from Healey Surgeons for the 50th anniversary at Lake Tahoe Open Road in 2002 and it was not is need of any restoration at that time. I even had the honor of being able to drive her from the transporter to inside the casino. We also have some photos of Bic and Mary Healey in the car at the same meet. I believe it was their anniversary. David Nock British Car Specialists Stockton Ca 95205 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com . . On Aug 3, 2010, at 2:08 PM, CAWS52803@aol.com wrote: > Is this the second Goldie? The first one I know of was done by Bruce > Phillips of Healey Surgeons in Maryland almost 20 years ago. > > Rudy in Lenoir, NC > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ > healeydoc@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 15:35:00 2010 From: Peter Caldwell To: CAWS52803@aol.com,rdryman1@yahoo.com,Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 16:32:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again I just read the article. Same one redone after 20 years. Peter C = At 04:08 PM 8/3/2010, CAWS52803@aol.com wrote: >Is this the second Goldie? The first one I know of was done by Bruce >Phillips of Healey Surgeons in Maryland almost 20 years ago. > >Rudy in Lenoir, NC _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 15:50:59 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: "Jerry Costanzo" , Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:51:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? Really? Good luck on the wiring, front-end stuff, steering adjustments, etc. There is just too much last minute fiddly stuff that needs to be gotten to , to do it that way. I used that BIG OLD HOLE to do a ton of installs after the shroud was on including getting to the back of some of the shroud screws to put the nuts on if memory serves me. I thinks he's been sippin the Cool Aid, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Costanzo" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? >I bought one of my Healeys from a guy who insisted that he always installed > the grill prior to putting the shroud on the car. Have any of you tried > that? > > Jerry > BN4 > BJ8 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 15:51:44 2010 From: "Rich C" To: "Jerry Costanzo" , Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:52:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? Jerry, I have never installed the grille into the shroud before installing the shroud on the car. However, it's important to prefit the grille along with final fitting and prep of the panels on the car before painting the panels. That way you know the grille assembly will fit with a minimum of fuss later on when that new fresh paint is there. Rich Chrysler -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Costanzo" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:47 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > I bought one of my Healeys from a guy who insisted that he always > installed > the grill prior to putting the shroud on the car. Have any of you tried > that? > > Jerry > BN4 > BJ8 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 16:20:56 2010 From: David Nock To: Peter Caldwell Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:21:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again I appears the car went up to auction in Texas http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/tag/austin-healey/ David Nock British Car Specialists Stockton Ca 95205 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com . . On Aug 3, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > I just read the article. Same one redone after 20 years. > Peter C > = > At 04:08 PM 8/3/2010, CAWS52803@aol.com wrote: >> Is this the second Goldie? The first one I know of was done by Bruce >> Phillips of Healey Surgeons in Maryland almost 20 years ago. >> >> Rudy in Lenoir, NC > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ > healeydoc@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 17:19:11 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:15:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives I have always used the sage advice of my departed father ina ll things mechanical. He was a machinist/tool and die maker that did all his own car repair and maintenance. What was true then is true now. He told once, "if you need to add something to the oil, it's time to rebuild the engine. Mike MacLean 56 BN2 60 AN5 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Richard Ewald >wrote: > > > Jeez, try and keep up. > > The rum is a fuel additive, the shampoo and coke go in the crankcase, you > > wash your hair with drain oil, and *drink the gasoline*. > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Chris Dimmock > >wrote: > > > > *Petrola (as in gasoline) Drink Recipe* > > * * > > *Courtesy of David Sheppard (British ex-patriot) Mexico City Jaguar Club* > > * * > > * Old-fashioned glass with plenty of ice* > > *1 Serrano pepper* > > *1 lemon* > > *2 Shots (3 oz.) Tequila* > > *5-6 dashes of Maggi Sauce (Worcestershire Sauce)* > > * * > > *Squeeze the juice of one lemon in glass full of ice.* > > * * > > *Add Tequila. * > > * * > > *Rub the Serrano pepper between your hands to bring the oils to the > surface. > Then lightly cut down the length of the pepper four times and place in the > glass.* > > * * > > *Add Worcestershire sauce and stir.* > > * * > > *Enjoy! Eating the pepper is optional. I personally salt the rim of the > glass as in a Margarita.* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 17:33:55 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:31:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Hey Mike , And I've always lived by the adage that adding a quart of oil per week is a lot less expensive than an engine rebuild ;-) Cheers, Curt On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com < rrengineer@dslextreme.com> wrote: > I have always used the sage advice of my departed father ina ll things > mechanical. He was a machinist/tool and die maker that did all his own car > repair and maintenance. What was true then is true now. He told once, "if > you need to add something to the oil, it's time to rebuild the engine. > Mike MacLean > 56 BN2 > 60 AN5 > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Richard Ewald > >wrote: >> >> > Jeez, try and keep up. >> > The rum is a fuel additive, the shampoo and coke go in the crankcase, >> you >> > wash your hair with drain oil, and *drink the gasoline*. >> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Chris Dimmock > > >wrote: >> > >> >> *Petrola (as in gasoline) Drink Recipe* >> >> * * >> >> *Courtesy of David Sheppard (British ex-patriot) Mexico City Jaguar Club* >> >> * * >> >> * Old-fashioned glass with plenty of ice* >> >> *1 Serrano pepper* >> >> *1 lemon* >> >> *2 Shots (3 oz.) Tequila* >> >> *5-6 dashes of Maggi Sauce (Worcestershire Sauce)* >> >> * * >> >> *Squeeze the juice of one lemon in glass full of ice.* >> >> * * >> >> *Add Tequila. * >> >> * * >> >> *Rub the Serrano pepper between your hands to bring the oils to the >> surface. >> Then lightly cut down the length of the pepper four times and place in the >> glass.* >> >> * * >> >> *Add Worcestershire sauce and stir.* >> >> * * >> >> *Enjoy! Eating the pepper is optional. I personally salt the rim of the >> glass as in a Margarita.* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 17:49:34 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:48:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Funny you should say that. My 2004 Accord LX Coupe is using a quart every 1000 miles. It only has 124K miles on it, but Honda says this acceptable for the VTEC engine. Who are they kidding. I know it is blow by because you can see the black soot in the tail pipe. They just don't want to fix it because I reported it back when it was under warranty at less that 50K miles. I made the last payment on it a few months ago, and yes, adding oil is less expensive than a rebuild or a used low mileage Jap engine replacement. Much preferable than more payments. BTW- I also own a 2004 Honda Civic EX and it does not use ANY oil between oil changes. Go figure. Mike MacLean 56 BN2 60 AN5 On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: > Hey Mike , > > And I've always lived by the adage that adding a quart of oil per week is a > lot less expensive than an engine rebuild ;-) > > Cheers, > > Curt > > > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:15 PM, rrengineer @dslextreme.com < > rrengineer@dslextreme.com> wrote: > >> I have always used the sage advice of my departed father ina ll things >> mechanical. He was a machinist/tool and die maker that did all his own car >> repair and maintenance. What was true then is true now. He told once, "if >> you need to add something to the oil, it's time to rebuild the engine. >> Mike MacLean >> 56 BN2 >> 60 AN5 >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Richard Ewald >> >wrote: >>> >>> > Jeez, try and keep up. >>> > The rum is a fuel additive, the shampoo and coke go in the crankcase, >>> you >>> > wash your hair with drain oil, and *drink the gasoline*. >>> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Chris Dimmock >> > >wrote: >>> > >>> >>> *Petrola (as in gasoline) Drink Recipe* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Courtesy of David Sheppard (British ex-patriot) Mexico City Jaguar >>> Club* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> * Old-fashioned glass with plenty of ice* >>> >>> *1 Serrano pepper* >>> >>> *1 lemon* >>> >>> *2 Shots (3 oz.) Tequila* >>> >>> *5-6 dashes of Maggi Sauce (Worcestershire Sauce)* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Squeeze the juice of one lemon in glass full of ice.* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Add Tequila. * >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Rub the Serrano pepper between your hands to bring the oils to the >>> surface. >>> Then lightly cut down the length of the pepper four times and place in >>> the >>> glass.* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Add Worcestershire sauce and stir.* >>> >>> * * >>> >>> *Enjoy! Eating the pepper is optional. I personally salt the rim of the >>> glass as in a Margarita.* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 18:06:35 2010 From: Rick Swain To: Healey List Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:07:06 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Exhaust and Spring Question I haven't been happy with the fit of the stainless tail pipes on my BN4. They're apparently made by Bell which means they should fit. The build quality is great but I've been messing with the pipes since the spring and nobody can get them right. I'm thinking of going to side exit pipes and could get a shop to fabricate a set for me but I'm wondering if anyone supplies them. I'm not looking for big bore pipes to mate with a big bore muffler but rather the smallish standard size pipes to mate with a standard muffler. Stainless preferred but not necessary. I haven't been able to find a local muffler shop that can bend Healey-size tailpipes. Second question. Can anyone recommend a supplier of rear springs that will last without losing their arch? I have about 20,000 miles on my springs and the top of the rear wheel arches are 26" from the ground, about 1" to 1 1/2" lower than I've read that pre BJ8s should be. Fronts sit at 27 1/2". I could get the springs re-arched if I can find what they should be but the same thing would probably happen again. I should get more than 20,000 miles out of a set of rear springs shouldn't I? Thanks Rick'59 BN4 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 18:18:49 2010 From: Jwhlyadv@aol.com To: CAWS52803@aol.com, rdryman1@yahoo.com, Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:16:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again I recall Bruce driving Goldie home from Conclave 86 (Cincinnatti) Jim Werner Louisville, KY Is this the second Goldie? The first one I know of was done by Bruce Phillips of Healey Surgeons in Maryland almost 20 years ago. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 18:52:03 2010 From: To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:52:24 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 inner body panels I have 66 BJ8 in the process of restoration - I have the outer body removed and need to know if there is a process for removing inner body panels and replacing them with the new ones in the correct position/measurements. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated Todd _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 19:04:45 2010 From: To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:00:25 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] 66 BJ8 engine In the process of restoration - was wondering if there were any recommendations on a reputable british machine rebuild shop. I live in upstate NY area but would not mind traveling. Any information would be appreciated Thanks Todd _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 19:05:10 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: tstreeter@twcny.rr.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:04:54 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 inner body panels Todd - >From what I understand this is one of the most difficult and technical things you could ever possibly hope to do on your healey and is best handled by a chassis specialist/welder who is experienced with these cars. If your main issue is just a few spots of rust here and there, I'd focus on doing a patch job here and there rather than attempting to pull the whole kit and kaboodle apart. Best Regards, Alan On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM, wrote: > I have 66 BJ8 in the process of restoration - I have the outer body removed > and need > to know if there is a process for removing inner body panels and replacing > them with the > new ones in the correct position/measurements. > > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated > > Todd _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 19:06:06 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Rick Swain Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:06:47 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Exhaust and Spring Question Rick - I ordered a set of BJ8 springs from Moss about 10 years ago. They were perfect, and have not lost any arch. If I recall, this is one of the things Moss has sorted out fairly well. Alan On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Rick Swain wrote: > I haven't been happy with the fit of the stainless tail pipes on my BN4. > They're apparently made by Bell which means they should fit. The build > quality > is great but I've been messing with the pipes since the spring and nobody > can > get them right. I'm thinking of going to side exit pipes and could get a > shop > to fabricate a set for me but I'm wondering if anyone supplies them. I'm > not > looking for big bore pipes to mate with a big bore muffler but rather the > smallish standard size pipes to mate with a standard muffler. Stainless > preferred but not necessary. I haven't been able to find a local muffler > shop > that can bend Healey-size tailpipes. > Second question. Can anyone recommend a supplier of rear springs that will > last without losing their arch? I have about 20,000 miles on my springs and > the top of the rear wheel arches are 26" from the ground, about 1" to 1 > 1/2" > lower than I've read that pre BJ8s should be. Fronts sit at 27 1/2". I > could > get the springs re-arched if I can find what they should be but the same > thing > would probably happen again. I should get more than 20,000 miles out of a > set > of rear springs shouldn't I? > Thanks > Rick'59 BN4 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 19:07:32 2010 From: Charlie Baldwin To: CAWS52803@aol.com, healey list Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:08:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again I think that Bruce is scaling back. He had a 100M for sale at The Original British Car Day near Frederick, MD in June. CAWS52803@aol.com wrote: > Is this the second Goldie? The first one I know of was done by Bruce > Phillips of Healey Surgeons in Maryland almost 20 years ago. > > Rudy in Lenoir, NC > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/mgcharlie@comcast.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 19:39:43 2010 From: "Keith Bailey" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:40:02 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] Oil Leak I have an oil leak on my BN1 which appears to be over the Right hand chassis rail under the cold box It could be from oil getting into cold box through the rocker cover breather pipe it as been suggested my rocker bushes could be worn but when they were assembled there did not appear to be any excessive wear.The tacko drive is leak free No oil is running down the crank case from rocker cover. any other suggestion would be appreciated Regards Keith _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 19:49:42 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: Alan Seigrist Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:45:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 inner body panels Todd, Alan is absolutely correct here. The are very few people capable of doing this type of work, and not every so called body/restoration shop is up to the challenge. Tom Kovacs of Fourintune is one shop that is capable of this type of work, but I also know of an individual who is not a professional restorer who has resurrected a Healey that even Kovacs claimed was un-restorable. It all comes down to accurate measurements patience, which equals time, which equals MONEY when your talking about a professional restorer. Now that's were my friend succeeded where others have failed, he is retired and has the patience the *skill* and the time to do it right. Todd I don't know you our your capabilities, but with all due respect if you have to ask this question, then you are probably not up to the challenge, and it is most likely left to an expert. And not just any restorer... one who has done Healey's in the past is my recommendation. I have judged many a Concours car where the panel fit was atrocious, and the body work of these cars was done by a pro, but in almost every case, they were not Austin Healey specialists. Cheers, Curt On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > Todd - > > >From what I understand this is one of the most difficult and technical > things you could ever possibly hope to do on your healey and is best > handled > by a chassis specialist/welder who is experienced with these cars. > > If your main issue is just a few spots of rust here and there, I'd focus on > doing a patch job here and there rather than attempting to pull the whole > kit and kaboodle apart. > > Best Regards, > > Alan > > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM, wrote: > > I have 66 BJ8 in the process of restoration - I have the outer body removed > and need to know if there is a process for removing inner body panels and > replacing them with the new ones in the correct position/measurements. > > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated > > Todd _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 20:06:28 2010 From: "Keith Bailey" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:02:37 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] oil leak Sorry that should read left side rail Regards Keith _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 20:23:15 2010 From: jerry wall To: Blue Healey Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:20:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fitting Windscreen assembly - update alan, remove the side pillars. install windscreen to body seal. each end of seal should be trimmed to fit snuggly against each respective side pillar. this requires some close estimations. install side pillars. finish joints discreetly, as needed, with some black silicone seal. good luck!! cheers, jerry On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Blue Healey wrote: > Team. > Not sure if my words painted the picture so I have posted the query on the > Forum too with some shots to illustrate. > http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=72 > > Thanks......... > -----Original Message----- > Team. > Some advice please. I have built my (BN4) windscreen and assembled the > side pillars to it. Next step is to insert the rubber moulding into > the bottom channel before then dropping the whole assembly into the > locating holes between wings and shroud. > My question regards the surplus length of the rubber moulding at each > end. If I trim the excess at each end of the chrome channel then > there will be a small gap between the pillar and the rubber seal for > water to get through. If I leave the ends protruding then I guess they > would have to be dropped down the same holes that the 'legs' go > through. That will interfere with the rubber foot pads that sit on top > of the wing/shroud, and I'm not sure there is enough room inboard of > the legs to allow that. > > Am I missing a trick? > > Thanks.................... > ____________________________________________ > (______________ Alan Bromfield_______________) > (_______\____1957-BN4____/________) > (__tinyurl.com/bluehealey _) > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/jwbn6hrdtp@gmail.com > -- jerry wall BN6 rowlett, tx _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 20:37:43 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: Keith Bailey Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:28:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] oil leak Couple SWAGS: - there's a cover (blanking) plate for the hole where an engine-driven fuel pump would go; it could be leaking - the sump draft tube vents to that side; you could be dumping oil overboard (is the sump overfilled?) - the tappet covers are on that side; could be a leak around the edges or around the bolts bs Keith Bailey wrote: > Sorry that should read left side rail > Regards Keith > _______________________________________________ > > > -- ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 21:42:37 2010 From: "Peter & Veronica" To: "Keith Bailey" , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:27:54 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Leak Hi Keith I've had a similar problem on the Ward Spl motor - first thought it was the tacho drive (mine's electronic so this was "open") - put cap on that, no change. Then went to sideplate - replaced gasket and used sealant - no change. Cleaned up block thoroughly & watched for dribble of oil - appears to be coming from large plug at bottom of block casting for oil pump/tacho drive (shown as item 28 on p D/21 of workshop manual, and item 97 on p 1.13 of SC Parts catalogue - plug- distributor & oil pump spindle bore). This has a sealing ring under it. I haven't tried doing anything with this yet as it's hard to get at with engine in car. I do get a few drips from the breather pipe too. Cheers Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Keith Bailey" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:40 AM To: Subject: [Healeys] Oil Leak > I have an oil leak on my BN1 which appears to be over the Right hand > chassis > rail under the cold box > It could be from oil getting into cold box through the rocker cover > breather > pipe it as been suggested > my rocker bushes could be worn but when they were assembled there did not > appear to be any excessive > wear.The tacko drive is leak free No oil is running down the crank case > from > rocker cover. > any other suggestion would be appreciated > Regards Keith > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/greylinn@ozemail.com.au _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 22:08:18 2010 From: S and T Miller To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 23:57:37 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Hemmings motor news Does anyone have any old Hemmings Motor news magazines form 1994 or so? I bought my car out of Hemmings from an ad for a 100-6 and a 100-6 parts car out of the Reading, Pennsylvania area ($1,000.00 for the parts car). I bought the parts car. I believe it was Nov or Dec of 1994, but I could be wrong- maybe 1993 or maybe even 1995- but I know I brought it home in December so the ad had to be Nov. or Dec. I always wanted to try and find the ad (copy) that I bought it from. Thanks for the help. The Millers "British Car Nuts" 1957 Austin Healey 100-6 BN4 35299 1959 Austin Healey 100-6 BN4 77219 1964 MGB 40841 1960 Austin Healey Bugeye Sprite AN5 34351 "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 22:20:01 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:13:17 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging I am confused about this concours judging. Isn't the car suppose to reflect as it was when new fresh from the factory. If so why are these high quality paint jobs allowed when cars of the 50's and 60's never had that quality of paint when new? I look at it realistically you can restore a car to better than new appearance however , it is only new once. Also the person restoring the classic and putting chalk marks and such where they would have been when going thru the inspection process while being on assembly line is not the same as a restorer duplicating the marks. I guess I am looking for clarification as to how this judging really works . It just seems as though these cars that win are way over the top as to what they were really like when they were new. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 3 22:50:20 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:45:57 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives I look at these additives from the aspect of years of building engines. The technology was there in the 1960's that we have today. I know duhh but anyway . The old Healey motors are built loose a lot looser than todays engines and if you keep in mind with british cars SU carbs always dump some fuel into the crankcase from choking to start the cars. What good does that do your oil or the life of your bearings. About 60% of your oil pressure readings comes from your cam bearings . and then your mains and rods. I read these articals you all have provided but all it really is one company debunking another because the believe theres are better. Here is another fact from experience you can assemble an engine with many various lubes from straight engine oil on the bearings to lithium grease to STP that looks like cold glue running out of a can. Which of these three is going build oil pressure faster on that fresh engine first start and which of these products is going to stay on the bearing the longest while that engine is trying to build oil pressure. Now of course in todays engine building we have to use lithium grease otherwise called assembly lube because clearences have been greatly reduced in the bearing areas. This is why new cars are running oil such 15 wt 30 or 5 30 wt.Just for grins i wanted to see what putting 20 50 castrol would do to oil pressure in a 2006 ford focus that normally runs 5 30 wt oil. A buddy let me do this in a wrecking yard due to the car being a roll over and the car had about 35000 miles on it. it took 20 minutes for the engine to seize because the oil was to thick to get between the bearings and the crankshaft. My point to all this is just from experience changing oil is the longevity of any engine but on these old british cars I believe it helps to use the additives especially since the oil gets thinned down due to fuel getting into the crankcase. One other issue new car makers suggest 5000 miles interval oil changes or some even say 7500 miles . Auto makers want you to think your saving money by not changing your oil like we use to at 2500 miles but in reality if you took a new car and changed oil at 2500 miles religously it would last for ever. I bougth a new Dodge dually in 1995 with the cummins diesel I now have 640,000 miles on the engine with no repairs or tear downs and to this day it still uses no oil at 2500 mile changes and it doesn't even look dirty at 2500 miles. Just my thoughts on all this additives. Now everyone can starting beating me up again _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 00:35:21 2010 From: To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:34:23 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? That seems to be not very professionell. How he treats the imperfections and lining up of the panels? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jerry Costanzo Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. August 2010 23:17 An: Healeys@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? I have seen him do 3 cars but he always paints the cars prior to installing shroud, fendors, etc. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:56 AM To: Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > Jerry, > Does he mask the grill for the paintwork? > > Josef Eckert > Konigswinter/Germany > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jerry Costanzo > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. August 2010 20:48 > An: healeys@Autox.Team.Net > Betreff: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > > I bought one of my Healeys from a guy who insisted that he always > installed the grill prior to putting the shroud on the car. Have any > of you tried that? > > Jerry > BN4 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/grumpyinloomis@ssctv.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/josef.eckert@t-systems.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 00:54:43 2010 From: Oudesluys To: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:54:54 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives Mike, The oil is probably forced passed the valve guides. Have a look at the crank case ventilation system. It may have a blockage or malfunctioning valve some where, causing oil consumption, although a quarter of a pint every 1000 mls is not that bad, only 1 pint every oil change. Kees Oudesluijs rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: > Funny you should say that. My 2004 Accord LX Coupe is using a quart every > 1000 miles. It only has 124K miles on it, but Honda says this acceptable > for the VTEC engine. Who are they kidding. I know it is blow by because > you can see the black soot in the tail pipe. They just don't want to fix it > because I reported it back when it was under warranty at less that 50K > miles. I made the last payment on it a few months ago, and yes, adding oil > is less expensive than a rebuild or a used low mileage Jap engine > replacement. Much preferable than more payments. BTW- I also own a 2004 > Honda Civic EX and it does not use ANY oil between oil changes. Go figure. > Mike MacLean > 56 BN2 > 60 AN5 > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 01:20:28 2010 From: I Erbs To: Oudesluys Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 00:14:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives VW told 1+ quart per oil change was within spec!!! On my 2001 new beetle. Wow never gonna buy another vw again I Erbs Sent from my iPod On Aug 3, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Oudesluys wrote: > Mike, > The oil is probably forced passed the valve guides. Have a look at the > crank case ventilation system. It may have a blockage or > malfunctioning > valve some where, causing oil consumption, although a quarter of a > pint > every 1000 mls is not that bad, only 1 pint every oil change. > Kees Oudesluijs > > > rrengineer @dslextreme.com wrote: >> Funny you should say that. My 2004 Accord LX Coupe is using a >> quart every >> 1000 miles. It only has 124K miles on it, but Honda says this >> acceptable >> for the VTEC engine. Who are they kidding. I know it is blow by >> because >> you can see the black soot in the tail pipe. They just don't want >> to fix it >> because I reported it back when it was under warranty at less that >> 50K >> miles. I made the last payment on it a few months ago, and yes, >> adding oil >> is less expensive than a rebuild or a used low mileage Jap engine >> replacement. Much preferable than more payments. BTW- I also own >> a 2004 >> Honda Civic EX and it does not use ANY oil between oil changes. Go >> figure. >> Mike MacLean >> 56 BN2 >> 60 AN5 >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Curt/Nancy Arndt >> wrote: > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name of coudesluijs.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 01:21:04 2010 From: To: , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:16:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Frederich, Don't be confused. I am speaking now for Concours on the European side of the pond. Members of the US Concours Committee may have a different view. Our today's standards are much higher than they were when the Austin-Healey cars were produced. Or let me say it differently. Marilyn Monroe was an icon in her days. I am sure she would never become an icon these days, as our human beings taste changed over the last 50 years. We get cars in for Concours which are much better in quality and better assembled than any car which left the production line. If you put two cars together, one completely as it left the factory, the other the restorer spent mega hours in getting the door gaps right, panels aligned and has got a much better paintwork and both receive the same amount of points in Concours? Anyone watching the outcome would not understand why both received same amount of points or better, the very original factory car receives even more points because of its "factory standard imperfections". So we use our "today's taste" as the measure. We think that's the best way. One can argue we do not follow the Holy Bible of Concours, but even the highest priests in any of this worlds churches cannot stop the time from moving and have to accept the world is changing (even they do not want ). Josef Eckert Konigswinter/Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Frederich Ficke Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 06:13 An: healeys@autox.team.net Betreff: [Healeys] concours judging I am confused about this concours judging. Isn't the car suppose to reflect as it was when new fresh from the factory. If so why are these high quality paint jobs allowed when cars of the 50's and 60's never had that quality of paint when new? I look at it realistically you can restore a car to better than new appearance however , it is only new once. Also the person restoring the classic and putting chalk marks and such where they would have been when going thru the inspection process while being on assembly line is not the same as a restorer duplicating the marks. I guess I am looking for clarification as to how this judging really works . It just seems as though these cars that win are way over the top as to what they were really like when they were new. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 01:35:11 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Frederich Ficke Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:08:28 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Frederich - you could also say that about the factory oil leaks off the showroom floor! Alan On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Frederich Ficke wrote: > I am confused about this concours judging. Isn't the car suppose to reflect > as it was when new fresh from the factory. If so why are these high quality > paint jobs allowed when cars of the 50's and 60's never had that quality of > paint when new? > > I look at it realistically you can restore a car to better than new > appearance however , it is only new once. Also the person restoring the > classic and putting chalk marks and such where they would have been when > going thru the inspection process while being on assembly line is not the > same as a restorer duplicating the marks. > > I guess I am looking for clarification as to how this judging really works > . > It just seems as though these cars that win are way over the top as to what > they were really like when they were new. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 02:25:46 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:25:51 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Josef, Is not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new original car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) with all it original short comings like uneven gaps will get points deducted and loose the competition to an over restored car? Kees Oudesluijs NL Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: > Frederich, > Don't be confused. I am speaking now for Concours on the European side of the > pond. Members of the US Concours Committee may have a different view. > Our today's standards are much higher than they were when the Austin-Healey > cars were produced. Or let me say it differently. Marilyn Monroe was an icon > in her days. I am sure she would never become an icon these days, as our human > beings taste changed over the last 50 years. We get cars in for Concours which > are much better in quality and better assembled than any car which left the > production line. If you put two cars together, one completely as it left the > factory, the other the restorer spent mega hours in getting the door gaps > right, panels aligned and has got a much better paintwork and both receive the > same amount of points in Concours? Anyone watching the outcome would not > understand why both received same amount of points or better, the very > original factory car receives even more points because of its "factory > standard imperfections". > So we use our "today's taste" as the measure. We think that's the best way. > One can argue we do not follow the Holy Bible of Concours, but even the > highest priests in any of this worlds churches cannot stop the time from > moving and have to accept the world is changing (even they do not want ). > > Josef Eckert > Konigswinter/Germany [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 02:50:46 2010 From: To: , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:37:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Kees, When I am judging, uneven gaps means points deducted! Now what is an over restored car? For example, when the car has items chromed, which were not chromed by the factory, it gets also points deducted! So at the end it depends on the cars, which gets the winner in competition. Josef Eckert Konigswinter/Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Oudesluys [mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 10:26 An: Eckert, Josef Cc: jagwarman@gmail.com; Healeys@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Josef, Is not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new original car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) with all it original short comings like uneven gaps will get points deducted and loose the competition to an over restored car? Kees Oudesluijs NL Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: > Frederich, > Don't be confused. I am speaking now for Concours on the European side > of the pond. Members of the US Concours Committee may have a different view. > Our today's standards are much higher than they were when the > Austin-Healey cars were produced. Or let me say it differently. > Marilyn Monroe was an icon in her days. I am sure she would never > become an icon these days, as our human beings taste changed over the > last 50 years. We get cars in for Concours which are much better in > quality and better assembled than any car which left the production > line. If you put two cars together, one completely as it left the > factory, the other the restorer spent mega hours in getting the door > gaps right, panels aligned and has got a much better paintwork and > both receive the same amount of points in Concours? Anyone watching > the outcome would not understand why both received same amount of > points or better, the very original factory car receives even more points because of its "factory standard imperfections". > So we use our "today's taste" as the measure. We think that's the best way. > One can argue we do not follow the Holy Bible of Concours, but even > the highest priests in any of this worlds churches cannot stop the > time from moving and have to accept the world is changing (even they do not want ). > > Josef Eckert > Konigswinter/Germany _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 03:23:20 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:19:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Hmmm, Strange judging from you nit pickers on originality. It cannot be better (more original) than a car as it left the factory in perfect as new condition, still an over restored vehicle will run away with the prizes!! I do not understand this. What is over restored? That everything is perfect when originally things were not. E.g. even gaps, brilliant shiny paint because of use of clear lacker, perfectly fitting interior panels, stainless steel bolts in stead of zinc or non-plated ones etc. The points deducted on extra chrome etc. I understand and looks perfectly legitimate to me. Cheers, Kees Oudesluijs Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: > Kees, > When I am judging, uneven gaps means points deducted! > Now what is an over restored car? For example, when the car has items chromed, which were not chromed by the factory, it gets also points deducted! > So at the end it depends on the cars, which gets the winner in competition. > > Josef Eckert > Konigswinter/Germany > > > > Josef, > Is not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new original car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) with all it original short comings like uneven gaps will get points deducted and loose the competition to an over restored car? > Kees Oudesluijs > NL [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 04:53:02 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: "Oudesluys" , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:53:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging And the infamous Concours debate continues. Any points added for weather or not the car runs or would that be a deduction? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oudesluys" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging > Hmmm, > Strange judging from you nit pickers on originality. > It cannot be better (more original) than a car as it left the factory in > perfect as new condition, still an over restored vehicle will run away > with the prizes!! I do not understand this. > What is over restored? That everything is perfect when originally things > were not. E.g. even gaps, brilliant shiny paint because of use of clear > lacker, perfectly fitting interior panels, stainless steel bolts in > stead of zinc or non-plated ones etc. > The points deducted on extra chrome etc. I understand and looks > perfectly legitimate to me. > Cheers, > Kees Oudesluijs > > > Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: >> Kees, >> When I am judging, uneven gaps means points deducted! >> Now what is an over restored car? For example, when the car has items >> chromed, which were not chromed by the factory, it gets also points >> deducted! >> So at the end it depends on the cars, which gets the winner in >> competition. >> >> Josef Eckert >> Konigswinter/Germany >> >> >> >> Josef, >> Is not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new >> original car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) >> with all it original short comings like uneven gaps will get points >> deducted and loose the competition to an over restored car? >> Kees Oudesluijs >> NL > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name > of coudesluijs.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 06:09:16 2010 From: CAWS52803@aol.com To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com, jagwarman@gmail.com, Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:18:33 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging When I judged at Lime Rock Fall Festival, I did a series of cars, so exact knowledge was impossible, but with Healeys, if the bolt was stainless steel, it was a deduction. On a side note, I observed one owner Armour Alling his tires. I asked him if the car came from the factory that way and of course he said 'No'. I implied that it would be a deduction and he turned white! I let it go as everyone was doing the same to their tires. Rudy in Lenoir BN4 & AN5 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 06:59:05 2010 From: To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:32:19 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging Kees, You should not believe the finest Concours car is one left in a barn for the past 40-50 years after the one and only drive from the dealers showroom. Let me go back to Concours and what's all behind. Why are we doing Concours Competitions? For me the main reason is to attract restorers to finish their cars close to original factory specification to "keep the legend alive and look like it should". As long as I am judging Healeys, I never had an unrestored car to judge. So we can assume 100% of the Austin-Healeys in Concours are restored cars. So its to mark the cars and identify the ones which are closest to factory (specs ) appearance. With our Concours Competitions we want to attract the owners to do a "proper" restoration following our "Concours Rules", which means for standard class - as near as possible to the specification it left the factory. "There is no specification for uneven gaps". When judging, I allow me to honour when one has not followed all shortcomings which were done by the factory because of keeping production costs low. There is a second point. We have professional car restorers who like to bring their finished cars for Concours having their business in mind. To say private restored cars are usually of a higher quality (closer to detail, more time spent for proper panel alignments etc.) and we want to keep Concours to enthusiasts and not as a sales argument for professional restorers. Hope you see there is much more around Concours than just keeping a car as close as possible to factory specs. At National Concours we have a real serious problem, a different one to face. In our Concours Rules its stated the cars which go into Concours have to be driven on their own wheels to the event, not trailered. We are sure at previous events, the one or other car was trailered to a place close to the event and only did let me say the final 10 miles on its own. Even by asking the owners for the cars trip meter mileages when they book in and checking their MOT certificate where the mileage is also stated, we still expect some fraud. To have the "perfect" car in Concours and it comes out as a non winner is a problem we will never face. To finalize, if a car shows up with "gap problems" there are many more other problem areas on the same car Josef Eckert _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 06:59:41 2010 From: "Alex" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:33:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] synthetic or oil additives With all this talk of oil additives, what's the consensus (if any) on a fuel additive such as Marvel Mystery Oil (at a rate of 4 ozs./10 gallons of petrol)? == Alex in Maine "The Blue Mainie," 1960 Austin Healey 3000 BT7 "Conkling," 1946 MG TC #1321 Former owner 1957 A-H 100-6, 1967 A-H BJ8, 1965 MG Midget http://home.roadrunner.com/~alexmm [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 07:31:37 2010 From: Frederich Ficke To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:05:26 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging I appreciate all the info on the judging. I guess I grew up with great cars . I remember Dad having Jags he had a 37 ss100 roadster and 120's and 140' and 150. Shoot we had everything It was the 1960 and early 70's when these cars were not worth todays values but mind you to buy a ss 100 jag for 7500.00 in 1972 that was a lot of money. I guess I just love to enjoy the car and the drive. Many people say you need to restore your Healey and I always stop and reflect back to what I have done in the past. Once I got done restoring the car was no longer fun cause I worried all the time if it would get scratched or dented or stolen. so I just no lnger worry about it. One day some of you guy will see me at a show just driving my car and I would surely win the ugly car award. but thats okay I wouldn't have it any other way. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 07:33:08 2010 From: Tom Felts To: CAWS52803@aol.com, jagwarman@gmail.com, Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com, Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 9:07:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging All of this discussion reinforces my reason for never having my car judged in concour. YMMV, of course. tom ---- CAWS52803@aol.com wrote: ============= When I judged at Lime Rock Fall Festival, I did a series of cars, so exact knowledge was impossible, but with Healeys, if the bolt was stainless steel, it was a deduction. On a side note, I observed one owner Armour Alling his tires. I asked him if the car came from the factory that way and of course he said 'No'. I implied that it would be a deduction and he turned white! I let it go as everyone was doing the same to their tires. Rudy in Lenoir BN4 & AN5 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts@windstream.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 07:36:55 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Mark LaPierre Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:15:49 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Mark - If it's an Austin 1100 automatic I believe it should get full Concours points if it has the factory correct non-running feature, as typically received by the client from the showroom floor. Alan On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > And the infamous Concours debate continues. > > Any points added for weather or not the car runs or would that be a > deduction? > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oudesluys" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging > > > Hmmm, >> Strange judging from you nit pickers on originality. >> It cannot be better (more original) than a car as it left the factory in >> perfect as new condition, still an over restored vehicle will run away >> with the prizes!! I do not understand this. >> What is over restored? That everything is perfect when originally things >> were not. E.g. even gaps, brilliant shiny paint because of use of clear >> lacker, perfectly fitting interior panels, stainless steel bolts in >> stead of zinc or non-plated ones etc. >> The points deducted on extra chrome etc. I understand and looks >> perfectly legitimate to me. >> Cheers, >> Kees Oudesluijs >> >> >> Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: >> >>> Kees, >>> When I am judging, uneven gaps means points deducted! >>> Now what is an over restored car? For example, when the car has items >>> chromed, which were not chromed by the factory, it gets also points >>> deducted! >>> So at the end it depends on the cars, which gets the winner in >>> competition. >>> >>> Josef Eckert >>> Konigswinter/Germany >>> >>> >>> >>> Josef, >>> Is not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new >>> original car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) with >>> all it original short comings like uneven gaps will get points deducted and >>> loose the competition to an over restored car? >>> Kees Oudesluijs >>> NL >>> >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name >> of coudesluijs.vcf] >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 07:49:45 2010 From: I Erbs To: Oudesluys Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:19:09 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging I believe Pebble Beach has a catagory for original unrestored cars to address this issue. Its a beauty contest. My wife is an original unrestored beauty, not an overly made up pampered contestant I Erbs Sent from my iPod On Aug 4, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Oudesluys wrote: > Josef, > Is not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new > original car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) > with all it original short comings like uneven gaps will get points > deducted and loose the competition to an over restored car? > Kees Oudesluijs > NL > > Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: >> Frederich, >> Don't be confused. I am speaking now for Concours on the European >> side of the >> pond. Members of the US Concours Committee may have a different view. >> Our today's standards are much higher than they were when the >> Austin-Healey >> cars were produced. Or let me say it differently. Marilyn Monroe >> was an icon >> in her days. I am sure she would never become an icon these days, >> as our human >> beings taste changed over the last 50 years. We get cars in for >> Concours which >> are much better in quality and better assembled than any car which >> left the >> production line. If you put two cars together, one completely as it >> left the >> factory, the other the restorer spent mega hours in getting the >> door gaps >> right, panels aligned and has got a much better paintwork and both >> receive the >> same amount of points in Concours? Anyone watching the outcome >> would not >> understand why both received same amount of points or better, the >> very >> original factory car receives even more points because of its >> "factory >> standard imperfections". >> So we use our "today's taste" as the measure. We think that's the >> best way. >> One can argue we do not follow the Holy Bible of Concours, but even >> the >> highest priests in any of this worlds churches cannot stop the time >> from >> moving and have to accept the world is changing (even they do not >> want ). >> >> Josef Eckert >> Konigswinter/Germany > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name of coudesluijs.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 07:50:13 2010 From: "warthodson@aol.com" To: jagwarman@gmail.com, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:27:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Frederich, I don't think I understand your comment. How is that different from the "factory" painting the car & the restorer painting the car? Also the person restoring the lassic and putting chalk marks and such where they would have been when oing thru the inspection process while being on assembly line is not the ame as a restorer duplicating the marks. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 07:50:39 2010 From: "warthodson@aol.com" To: coudesluijs@chello.nl, Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:35:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging In North America the cars are not competing against each other. They are being judged to a set of standards. It is possible for several cars to all achieve the same level, for instance "Gold" level. Their individual scores are revealed only to the individual entering the car, not each other nor the general public. That is as I understand it. Gary Hodson -----Original Message----- From: Oudesluys To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Cc: Healeys@autox.team.net; jagwarman@gmail.com Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 3:25 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Josef, s not that odd. What you are saying is that theoretically a brand new riginal car (if it exists but I am sure there must be one somewhere) ith all it original short comings like uneven gaps will get points educted and loose the competition to an over restored car? ees Oudesluijs L Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: Frederich, Don't be confused. I am speaking now for Concours on the European side of the pond. Members of the US Concours Committee may have a different view. Our today's standards are much higher than they were when the Austin-Healey cars were produced. Or let me say it differently. Marilyn Monroe was an icon in her days. I am sure she would never become an icon these days, as our human beings taste changed over the last 50 years. We get cars in for Concours which are much better in quality and better assembled than any car which left the production line. If you put two cars together, one completely as it left the factory, the other the restorer spent mega hours in getting the door gaps right, panels aligned and has got a much better paintwork and both receive the same amount of points in Concours? Anyone watching the outcome would not understand why both received same amount of points or better, the very original factory car receives even more points because of its "factory standard imperfections". So we use our "today's taste" as the measure. We think that's the best way. One can argue we do not follow the Holy Bible of Concours, but even the highest priests in any of this worlds churches cannot stop the time from moving and have to accept the world is changing (even they do not want ). Josef Eckert Konigswinter/Germany [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of oudesluijs.vcf] ______________________________________________ ealeys@autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $12.75 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson@aol.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 08:02:13 2010 From: "warthodson@aol.com" To: warthodson@aol.com, coudesluijs@chello.nl, Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:40:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Sorry if this is a duplicate. Gary -----Original Message----- From: warthodson@aol.com To: coudesluijs@chello.nl; Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Cc: Healeys@autox.team.net; jagwarman@gmail.com Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 8:35 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging In North America the cars are not competing against each other. They are being judged to a set of standards. It is possible for several cars to all achieve the same level, for instance "Gold" level. Their individual scores are revealed only to the individual entering the car, not each other nor the general public. That is as I understand it. Gary Hodson _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 08:15:11 2010 From: Tadeusz Malkiewicz To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:59:04 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? Hello, There are 2 dowel bolts to mate the gearbox to the engine - where do they go??.. Many thanks, Tadek _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 08:30:36 2010 From: gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com To: "Tom Felts" , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:11:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Me either as all my cars are drivers. BUT, I do enter wash and shine events for the more laid back environment and comaraderie (sp) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Felts Sender: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 9:07:04 To: ; ; ; Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging All of this discussion reinforces my reason for never having my car judged in concour. YMMV, of course. tom ---- CAWS52803@aol.com wrote: ============= When I judged at Lime Rock Fall Festival, I did a series of cars, so exact knowledge was impossible, but with Healeys, if the bolt was stainless steel, it was a deduction. On a side note, I observed one owner Armour Alling his tires. I asked him if the car came from the factory that way and of course he said 'No'. I implied that it would be a deduction and he turned white! I let it go as everyone was doing the same to their tires. Rudy in Lenoir BN4 & AN5 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts@windstream.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 08:31:05 2010 From: "Chris Dimmock [Healey]" To: Healeys Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 00:12:19 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: concours judging This is just a personal opinion. Firstly, I totally support the concept of a "unified" world standard for Healey concours judging, and have championed that end for over 12 years here in NSW Australia - despite not actually owning a bog standard original car. I truly believe that having a consistent global standard, with consistent judging guidelines, administed by passionate people, with published guidelines, and accepting newly uncovered evidence, and discussing it, and modifying the published guielines,is the ABSOLUTE best outcome for our Marque globally. And once again - a sincere thank you to all those involved in the US, and anyone else - who has conributed to the wonderful resource of concours originality guidelines from the US club. Thank you all. Our friends in the US have provided that framework. In answer to Josef's question, I've thought long and hard about his question for 30 years. And I'd like to rephrase it, if that's ok Josef. Let's go back to 1953 and talk concours. Imagine it is one or two months after the delivery of the first 100's to your country, in 1953, wherever in the world you are... Imagine that say 2 or 5 or 20 or 50 guys turned up to your 'first' club meeting, in their brand new BN1's, and it was a concours.... And the oldest BN1 was now 30 days old.... In my personal opinion, given that almost every car was "original", I think the "best" car would have theoretically been the one which was driven home from the showroom, and "put together properly" by the owner. And cleaned and scrubbed and polished all over. The guy that fixed and adjusted the door gaps, bonnet gaps, etc, and cleaned off the overspray, and adjusted the bumpers, door openers, etc. And fixed the oil leaks.... And cleaned it until it shone all over The car that actually was 'best built' , or "best put together" amounst a whole pile of brand new cars.. Think about which would have been the "best" car when they were new. Bog standard cars, judged by their peers..... Back in the day. Just my opinion. Me? I'd rather have triple webers, all original numbers, with minilites and heaps of negative camber; yet .... I still run a Lucas generator, Lucas starter motor, and Armstrong lever arm shocks (cause they are original.... And you just don't change things like that!!!) Thanks for the opportunity for my few cents M.J.B, and this resource that allows us to discuss this stuff! Chris www.myaustinhealey.com On 04/08/2010, at 5:16 PM, wrote: > Frederich, > Don't be confused. I am speaking now for Concours on the European side of > the > pond. Members of the US Concours Committee may have a different view. > Our today's standards are much higher than they were when the Austin-Healey > cars were produced. Or let me say it differently........ > > I am confused about this concours judging. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 08:53:47 2010 From: To: , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:23:15 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? Hello Tadek, They go at 5 and 11 o clock position. Josef Eckert Konigswinter/Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tadeusz Malkiewicz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 15:59 An: healeys@autox.team.net Betreff: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? Hello, There are 2 dowel bolts to mate the gearbox to the engine - where do they go??.. Many thanks, _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 09:06:52 2010 From: "Jerry Costanzo" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:42:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? One of them sold at Pebble Beach auction for $65K and it was a 100 6 that was black and leaf green. Seems to work for him. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:34 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > That seems to be not very professionell. How he treats the imperfections > and > lining up of the panels? > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Jerry Costanzo > Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. August 2010 23:17 > An: Healeys@autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > > I have seen him do 3 cars but he always paints the cars prior to > installing > shroud, fendors, etc. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:56 AM > To: > Subject: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? > >> Jerry, >> Does he mask the grill for the paintwork? >> >> Josef Eckert >> Konigswinter/Germany >> >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net >> [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Jerry Costanzo >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. August 2010 20:48 >> An: healeys@Autox.Team.Net >> Betreff: [Healeys] Installing the grill with the shroud? >> >> I bought one of my Healeys from a guy who insisted that he always >> installed the grill prior to putting the shroud on the car. Have any >> of you tried that? >> >> Jerry >> BN4 >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/grumpyinloomis@ssctv.net > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/josef.eckert@t-systems.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/grumpyinloomis@ssctv.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 09:21:54 2010 From: To: Healeys Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:02:44 +0000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging So ... you're saying that leaking synthetic oil would be a points deduction? ;) Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:08:28 +0800 > > Frederich - > > you could also say that about the factory oil leaks off the showroom floor! > > > Alan > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Frederich Ficke wrote: > > > I am confused about this concours judging. Isn't the car suppose to reflect > > as it was when new fresh from the factory. If so why are these high quality > > paint jobs allowed when cars of the 50's and 60's never had that quality of > > paint when new? > > > > I look at it realistically you can restore a car to better than new > > appearance however , it is only new once. Also the person restoring the > > classic and putting chalk marks and such where they would have been when > > going thru the inspection process while being on assembly line is not the > > same as a restorer duplicating the marks. > > > > I guess I am looking for clarification as to how this judging really works > > . > > It just seems as though these cars that win are way over the top as to what > > they were really like when they were new. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 09:22:20 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: Healey List Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:04:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging *Part two continued...* Now to your specific question on paint. Several years ago a fellow Concours committee member was restoring his car and he prepped the body for paint, which was then to be done by a local paint shop. The shop refused to paint the car since they wanted an absolutely perfect surface. Now, the paint prep done on this very original a straight car was perfectly acceptable but what the paint shop wanted was well above and beyond. My friend ended up taking the car to another painter and believe me the final paint and body work were just fine, I should know I was the lead judge on the car and it scored a Concours Gold. Also, remember that modern paints are inherently better than the old cellulose lacquer that was used at the Jensen factory. I brought up Corvettes for a reason since there are at least two different Concours standards for Corvettes, the Corvette Club of America and the Bloomington Gold standard. Bloomington Gold standard came about since these folks are way too anal, and they decided that the other Concours standard was not tough enough. Therefore, they replicate everything as it came from the factory, orange peal in the paint, factory crayon numbers on the chassis frame, etc... and all of the other flaws in a mass produced production car. There was a story circulating several years ago that a wealthy Japanese investor purchased a Bloomington Gold standard Corvette and when he examined the car, he was shocked and wanted his money back since the car wasn't his idea of Concours perfect. Too bad, that's what the Bloomington Gold standard is all about. If we were to adhere to these standards, then the Austin Healey chassis would be first painted in the original "Chocolate Brown" primer, then the body panels hung on the car and only then would the final color paint be applied. This would leave all areas of the chassis under the body panels in this dark brown primer. No one does this nor is it encouraged or recommended, and in fact every single restoration I've seen paints the entire chassis body color. I hope this clarifies things somewhat. Remember that our Concours standards/cars do not include trailer queens as many misinformed folks on this list have accused us of, since we encourage Concours cars to be driven. If a US Concours car is a trailer queen *then that's the choice of the owner and NOT our standards*. Cheers, Curt Arndt Chairman - AH Concours Committee, USA & Canada Carlsbad, CA '55 BN1, '60 AN5 :{) PS If you want to know how our Concours works, may I suggest you order our 2010 guidelines. I hope to have a Concours website up soon that will clarify our philosophy. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 09:36:59 2010 From: David Nock To: Keith Bailey Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:09:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Leak When there is a leak that is hard to find the location of we use an additive in the oil that will turn the oil bright yellow under ultra violet light. It is available in most auto parts stores. This way you don't waist good time and money repairing leaks that dont exist. The most common leaks on that side of the motor are. Tach drive, fuel pump plate warped, valve cover. I also have had a couple that the engine plate was warped and leaking. So go get a leak detector and find it the first time. David Nock British Car Specialists Stockton Ca 95205 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com . . On Aug 3, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Keith Bailey wrote: > I have an oil leak on my BN1 which appears to be over the Right > hand chassis > rail under the cold box > It could be from oil getting into cold box through the rocker > cover breather > pipe it as been suggested > my rocker bushes could be worn but when they were assembled there > did not > appear to be any excessive > wear.The tacko drive is leak free No oil is running down the crank > case from > rocker cover. > any other suggestion would be appreciated > Regards Keith > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ > healeydoc@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 09:41:17 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:21:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? On our BN2, there are milled recesses for bolt heads at the 1 and 7 o'clock position--I figured the dowel bolts went there. If not, why do only these two positions have milled recesses? bs Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: > Hello Tadek, > They go at 5 and 11 o clock position. > > Josef Eckert > Konigswinter/Germany > > Betreff: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? > > Hello, > > There are 2 dowel bolts to mate the gearbox to the engine - where do they > go??.. > > Many thanks, > > -- ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 09:52:37 2010 From: To: "Richard Dryman" , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:24:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again So, if true, GOLDIE, is no longer GOLDIE but a reproduction of GOLDIE? A shame the originality would be lost; I brought her up from DC in 2000 to AHSTC's Encounter Valley Forge, the car looked great (I know ten years goes by so quickly). Ray -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Dryman" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:31 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] GOLDIE again > Haven't seen this reported yet: Goldie redone: in Sports & Exotic Car, > Sept 2010 > issue; 4 pages, 11 color photos plus the next 4 pages on the guys who > redid her: > Jeff's Resurrections, Tx. w/14 color photos( not all of Goldie). All new > 24 > Carat gold, all new kid interior, all new paint !!! > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahstc@live.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 10:33:00 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: "warthodson@aol.com" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:12:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Gary, You understand correctly, but I must clarify something. Cars are judged as to a standard of how they came from the factory, and as far as I and Roger Moment are concerned, our Concours Guidelines are just that... *Guidelines*. We are continuously accused of updating (changing) the standards yearly and presently a moving target. This is just not true. I judge a car from my knowledge and experience and just because something is not specifically outlined in our guidelines, it doesn't mean that it is not correct and that I won't deduct points. The bottom line is that too many folks order our guidelines and feel that if they give these to their restorer and he follows them, then after a whole lot of time and money, I'll get a HIGH Gold award. I've seen a lot of very disappointed Concours entrants after their car does not meet their misinformed expectations. Folks it doesn't work this way, the guidelines are there to supplement and hopefully fill all of the missing information of the other resources available. They are not the end all word in how a car is prepared, just our attempt to help restorers fill in missing information that can only be gathered by careful research on how the cars were built originally. And to reiterate what Gary stated, the cars are judged to a statndard and not against each other. But human nature being what it is, too mant folks then complain that they didn't receive a "high enough" Gold award. There is no such thing. Gold is Gold, but reality is obviously something else. Cheers, Curt Arndt AH Concours Committee Chairman On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:35 AM, warthodson@aol.com wrote: > In North America the cars are not competing against each other. They are > being > judged to a set of standards. It is possible for several cars to all > achieve > the same level, for instance "Gold" level. Their individual scores are > revealed only to the individual entering the car, not each other nor the > general public. > That is as I understand it. > > Gary Hodson _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 10:35:46 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: "Chris Dimmock [Healey]" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:17:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: concours judging Chris, Thanks for the kind words. You are someone who obviously get what we in the US and Canada Concours Committe are trying to accomplish. I've often wondered what would happen if someone could go back in time and bring back a brand new Healey and then have it judged in our brand of Concours. Cheers, Curt On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Chris Dimmock [Healey] < austin.healey@gmail.com> wrote: > This is just a personal opinion. > Firstly, I totally support the concept of a "unified" world standard for > Healey concours judging, and have championed that end for over 12 years > here > in NSW Australia - despite not actually owning a bog standard original car. > I truly believe that having a consistent global standard, with consistent > judging guidelines, administed by passionate people, with published > guidelines, and accepting newly uncovered evidence, and discussing it, and > modifying the published guielines,is the ABSOLUTE best outcome for our > Marque globally. > And once again - a sincere thank you to all those involved in the US, and > anyone else - who has conributed to the wonderful resource of concours > originality guidelines from the US club. Thank you all. > Our friends in the US have provided that framework. > In answer to Josef's question, I've thought long and hard about his > question > for 30 years. And I'd like to rephrase it, if that's ok Josef. > Let's go back to 1953 and talk concours. > Imagine it is one or two months after the delivery of the first 100's to > your country, in 1953, wherever in the world you are... > Imagine that say 2 or 5 or 20 or 50 guys turned up to your 'first' club > meeting, in their brand new BN1's, and it was a concours.... And the oldest > BN1 was now 30 days old.... > In my personal opinion, given that almost every car was "original", I think > the "best" car would have theoretically been the one which was driven home > from the showroom, and "put together properly" by the owner. And cleaned > and > scrubbed and polished all over. > The guy that fixed and adjusted the door gaps, bonnet gaps, etc, and > cleaned > off the overspray, and adjusted the bumpers, door openers, etc. And fixed > the oil leaks.... And cleaned it until it shone all over > The car that actually was 'best built' , or "best put together" amounst a > whole pile of brand new cars.. > Think about which would have been the "best" car when they were new. > Bog standard cars, judged by their peers..... Back in the day. > Just my opinion. > Me? I'd rather have triple webers, all original numbers, with minilites and > heaps of negative camber; yet .... I still run a Lucas generator, Lucas > starter motor, and Armstrong lever arm shocks (cause they are original.... > And you just don't change things like that!!!) > Thanks for the opportunity for my few cents M.J.B, and this resource that > allows us to discuss this stuff! > Chris > www.myaustinhealey.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 10:51:06 2010 From: "Rich C" To: , "Richard Dryman" , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:26:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again I saw Goldie here in Dundas, Ontario when Bruce and Inan brought her to MacGregor Coach Trimming for exact replicating of the then tatty original Mink and Chinese Kid leather interior. I would wonder how well all that has been re-redone again! Rich Chrysler -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:24 AM To: "Richard Dryman" ; Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again > So, if true, GOLDIE, is no longer GOLDIE but a reproduction of GOLDIE? A > shame the originality would be lost; I brought her up from DC in 2000 to > AHSTC's Encounter Valley Forge, the car looked great (I know ten years > goes by so quickly). > > Ray > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Richard Dryman" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:31 PM > To: > Subject: [Healeys] GOLDIE again > >> Haven't seen this reported yet: Goldie redone: in Sports & Exotic Car, >> Sept 2010 >> issue; 4 pages, 11 color photos plus the next 4 pages on the guys who >> redid her: >> Jeff's Resurrections, Tx. w/14 color photos( not all of Goldie). All new >> 24 >> Carat gold, all new kid interior, all new paint !!! >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahstc@live.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 10:51:57 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: ahstc@live.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:31:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Ray, Not true. Goldie when first discovered was in *very sad shape* and was first restored by Bruce Phillips. It has just been restored yet again. What you saw in 2000 was an already restored Goldie, so "originality" was already lost when Healey Surgeons first restored the car. Cheers, Curt On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, wrote: > So, if true, GOLDIE, is no longer GOLDIE but a reproduction of GOLDIE? A > shame the originality would be lost; I brought her up from DC in 2000 to > AHSTC's Encounter Valley Forge, the car looked great (I know ten years goes > by so quickly). > > Ray > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Richard Dryman" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:31 PM > To: > Subject: [Healeys] GOLDIE again > > Haven't seen this reported yet: Goldie redone: in Sports & Exotic Car, >> Sept 2010 >> issue; 4 pages, 11 color photos plus the next 4 pages on the guys who >> redid her: >> Jeff's Resurrections, Tx. w/14 color photos( not all of Goldie). All new >> 24 >> Carat gold, all new kid interior, all new paint !!! >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahstc@live.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 11:04:25 2010 From: To: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:41:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Thanks Curt, Never knew that! R From: Curt/Nancy Arndt Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:31 PM To: ahstc@live.com Cc: Richard Dryman ; Healeys@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Ray, Not true. Goldie when first discovered was in very sad shape and was first restored by Bruce Phillips. It has just been restored yet again. What you saw in 2000 was an already restored Goldie, so "originality" was already lost when Healey Surgeons first restored the car. Cheers, Curt On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, wrote: So, if true, GOLDIE, is no longer GOLDIE but a reproduction of GOLDIE? A shame the originality would be lost; I brought her up from DC in 2000 to AHSTC's Encounter Valley Forge, the car looked great (I know ten years goes by so quickly). Ray -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Dryman" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:31 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Haven't seen this reported yet: Goldie redone: in Sports & Exotic Car, Sept 2010 issue; 4 pages, 11 color photos plus the next 4 pages on the guys who redid her: Jeff's Resurrections, Tx. w/14 color photos( not all of Goldie). All new 24 Carat gold, all new kid interior, all new paint !!! _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahstc@live.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 11:06:04 2010 From: To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 18:44:24 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging I can whole hardly support this sentence from Chris: Chris Dimmock wrote: "And once again - a sincere thank you to all those involved in the US, and anyone else - who has contributed to the wonderful resource of concours originality guidelines from the US club. Thank you all. Our friends in the US have provided that framework." The originality guidelines are a masterpiece of work and its "The Healey Publication" I use most in my daily hobby entertainment. The way of doing Concours we may not be able to unify. The way of doing Concours is very different in the places of the world and personally I have to say I would not be happy to do Concours Judging as its done by the US friends. I do not want to check a car that close and to the finest details for an hour or more. I think that's really boring and we would not find enough judges to do it. But that's my personal view. Josef Eckert _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 11:06:42 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? That was going to be my next question. The recessed areas are at 1 and 7 o'clock as viewed from behind; i.e. from the cockpit. I figured the milled areas would be for the dowel bolts, since there's only two of them, but I may well be wrong. Also, I put the bolt heads on the bellhousing side, nuts on the engine adapter side since I never put lockwashers against aluminium. bs -------------------------------- Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA I gotta ask ... are you 2 guys looking at the same piece? If one of you is looking at the engine and the other at the gearbox, then it's possible that you're both right, if my mental transposition works. > > On our BN2, there are milled recesses for bolt heads at the 1 and 7 > o'clock position--I figured the dowel bolts went there. > > If not, why do only these two positions have milled recesses? > > bs > > > Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: > > Hello Tadek, > > They go at 5 and 11 o clock position. > > > > Josef Eckert > > Konigswinter/Germany > > > > Betreff: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? > > > > Hello, > > > > There are 2 dowel bolts to mate the gearbox to the engine - where do they > > go??.. > > > > Many thanks, _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 11:34:14 2010 From: Tom To: Healey Mail List Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] recent experience with dollies I'm thinking of getting a set of dollies to push my Healey around in the garage. The archives have a couple of threads on the topic, but the threads are getting old and some of the recommendations from Moss aren't available anymore. I'm interested in a dolly that I can slide under the wheel, and it can lift the wheel itself. Something like this: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=31213 . Anybody have any recommendations? thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 11:35:42 2010 From: "Shop at \" Just Brits \"" To: Healeys Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:20:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging << ...our Concours Guidelines are just that... *Guidelines*. We are continuously accused of updating (changing) the standards yearly and presently a moving target. This is just not true. >> AND it has been that way since the concept was intro'ed IIRC by Rich Chrysler & Gary Anderson [or was it Roger ??] at the Fall Delegates' Meeting in Arlington Hgts. in '85 [??]. << Cars are judged as to a standard of how they came from the factory, >> << They are not the end all word in how a car is prepared, just our attempt to help restorers fill in missing information that can only be gathered by careful research on how the cars were built originally. >> And then there ARE "the odd ball" that comes down the pike. For instance, at Canada Conclave Niagara Falls in '89, Margo and my Cindy where having a cocktail and Geoffrey Healey and my self joined them almost at same time. Well ladies were chatting [imagine that ] with Geoff & I excluded and I mentioned to him that someday I would love to paint my [white] BJ-7 in Golden Metallic Beige but that I knew it would 'cost' me Concours Points. He then proceeded to tell me that HE had done just that to a BJ-7 'coming down the line' by having it pulled out of production line and painted specially with a WHITE car as the 'base model'. My point is that IF I started on my car taking PICTURES as I went and found that I did indeed have his ex-car by my DOCUMENTING the "Odd Ball" thing, I would NOT lose Points as I had the PROOF of it originally being GMB !! Now I would STILL need silver-green motor, 48 spoke painted wheels, etc., etc. !! So there ARE "loop holes" and the Guidelines even say so, BUT it is up to the car's presenter to PROVE the "odd ball" 'thing'. I also think as I have said for YEARS that we do have the BEST of the best in our Guidelines AND having s completely SEPARATE entity taking car of "the job". Ed PS: Keep up the GREAT work Concours Committee !!! _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 12:04:31 2010 From: RCT2BNC@aol.com To: ah3000me@gmail.com, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:38:13 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] recent experience with dollies Tom, I have a set of GO-JACK brand that seem to be the same ones in your Moss ad. They work great. Just remember that they do stick out from the car about 4" per side beyond the tires. Ben Cohen Tucson BN1, BN7, BJ8 and 2x AN5 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 12:19:07 2010 From: "Tom Mitchell" <3000mk3@bighealey.org> To: "'Tom'" , "'Healey Mail List'" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:52:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] recent experience with dollies These look like the good ones. My buddy has two, swears by them. Don't waste your money on cheap sets, like (four for $100 or whatever) at Harbor Freight. They are not worth it (IMHO); I've found them very difficult to move cars, even as light as ours. Course by some standards I'm not a big person (5'6", 170lbs), yet it's everything I can to use them by myself. In fact they are so difficult I am considering throwing them away. I have two brothers with the same kind (cheap) and they do are not satisfied with them either. Tom Mitchell 1965 Austin Healey BJ8 Mark III -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:10 PM To: Healey Mail List Subject: [Healeys] recent experience with dollies I'm thinking of getting a set of dollies to push my Healey around in the garage. The archives have a couple of threads on the topic, but the threads are getting old and some of the recommendations from Moss aren't available anymore. I'm interested in a dolly that I can slide under the wheel, and it can lift the wheel itself. Something like this: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=31213 . Anybody have any recommendations? thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/3000mk3@bighealey.org _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 12:19:30 2010 From: "Shop at \" Just Brits \"" To: Healeys@autox.team.net, ahstc@live.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:58:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again - STILL !! << I saw Goldie here in Dundas, Ontario when Bruce and Inan brought her to MacGregor Coach Trimming for exact replicating of the then tatty original Mink and Chinese Kid leather interior. >> And 'her' 1st "outing" was Encounter/Conclave. Anybody remember Inan "arriving" at the hotel [in pouring RAIN] sans hood ??? Or remember Inan AND Bruce's "description" of their room's "aroma" after a few hours of room HEAT on FULL trying to DRY the interior ??? Ed _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 12:26:10 2010 From: "Shop at \" Just Brits \"" To: Healeys Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:03:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: concours judging << I've often wondered what would happen if someone could go back in time and bring back a brand new Healey and then have it judged in our brand of Concours. >> Wouldn't it have to be 'judged' on a concourse, Curt ??? Anon _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 12:44:42 2010 From: Tadeusz Malkiewicz To: 'Bob Spidell' , Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:12:38 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? Hello Bob, Josef, What end are you looking from? When I look at the engine from the gearbox side, I have holes milled at 1 & 7 o'clock. Best, tadek -----Original Message----- From: Bob Spidell [mailto:bspidell@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:22 PM To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Cc: tadeusz.malkiewicz@plusnet.pl; Healeys@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? On our BN2, there are milled recesses for bolt heads at the 1 and 7 o'clock position--I figured the dowel bolts went there. If not, why do only these two positions have milled recesses? bs Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com wrote: > Hello Tadek, > They go at 5 and 11 o clock position. > > Josef Eckert > Konigswinter/Germany > > Betreff: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? > > Hello, > > There are 2 dowel bolts to mate the gearbox to the engine - where do they > go??.. > > Many thanks, > > -- ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 12:45:32 2010 From: To: , Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:17:35 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? Sorry Tadek, yes I watched from the engine side, but the bolts go in from the gearbox side. So Bob is right with 1 and 7 o clock from gearbox side. Josef Eckert -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tadeusz Malkiewicz [mailto:tadeusz.malkiewicz@plusnet.pl] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 20:13 An: 'Bob Spidell'; Eckert, Josef Cc: Healeys@autox.team.net Betreff: RE: [Healeys] Gearbox to engine dowel bolts position? Hello Bob, Josef, What end are you looking from? When I look at the engine from the gearbox side, I have holes milled at 1 & 7 o'clock. Best, tadek _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 13:08:44 2010 From: David Nock To: "Shop at \" Just Brits \"" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:42:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again - STILL !! I also remember hearing a story about Bruce Erfer founder of British Wire Wheel being told he could only site in the car if he was stripped naked. Well the story goes he got to sit in the car. David Nock British Car Specialists Stockton Ca 95205 209-948-8767 www.britishcarspecialists.com . . On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Shop at " Just Brits " wrote: > << I saw Goldie here in Dundas, Ontario when Bruce and Inan brought > her to MacGregor Coach Trimming for exact replicating of the then > tatty original Mink and Chinese Kid leather interior. >> > > And 'her' 1st "outing" was Encounter/Conclave. Anybody > remember Inan "arriving" at the hotel [in pouring RAIN] sans > hood ??? > > Or remember Inan AND Bruce's "description" of their room's > "aroma" after a few hours of room HEAT on FULL trying to > DRY the interior ??? > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ > healeydoc@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 19:31:16 2010 From: "Rich C" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:57:58 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fw: concours judging Every time the subject of Concours Judging comes up, there always seems to be lots of folks who are NOT involved in, and know almost nothing about the process who always feel the need to pipe up and talk it down, or otherwise cloud and confuse the subject to the point where the onlookers repeat once more "that once again reinforces my opinion about Concours". I cannot speak for other Concours activities around the world, but I can speak for our National Concours Registry, here in North America. The National Concours Registry and it's steering committee was formed in the late '80's from a small group of like minded enthusiasts from the USA and Canada. Our years of ongoing development of accurate Guidelines that people can follow (as they wish) and the criteria by which we judge a car is very different from separate individual events like Pebble Beach, from the British and European judging criteria, and many others held round the world. 1. We greatly encourage the driving and use of the car. 2. We are looking more for correctness and authenticity than how bright or shiny the item may be. Over polishing or too deep a modern super paint finish can actually be cause for a minor deduction if too "over done". 3. We look at the "intention" of the original manufacturing standards, and are not looking (within reason) to accept the flaws that inevitably crept into the assembly process, so for example, that drip or run in the paint was not intended so should have an appropriate deduction. 4. Our National Concours Registry here in North America conducts sanctioned judging in which we do not compete car against car, rather the car is evaluated against a standard. 4 cars entered may end up with one not achieving a level at all, while two may achieve a Bronze award and one may achieve Gold. It all depends on what the points ad up to. 5. The individual point score is never revealed to anybody but the entrant. The Committee will only reveal the award level achieved; Bronze, Silver, or Gold. 6. Our National Concours Registry does NOT belong to, nor are we politically affiliated with any clubs, so we are steered only by our Committee of which there are currently 11 like minded enthusiasts who volunteer their time, care and knowledge to assist in the annual review and updating of each year's Guidelines, Score and Policy sheets. 7. A CD of this work is available to anybody who wants it anywhere in the world, and it has become a very comprehensive tool to build your car, whether you ever wish to have the car judged at one of our sanctioned judgings or not. 8. It is very satisfying to observe the number of cars that have been judged and achieved an award level over the last 20 years, that have gone on to be beautiful accurate regular drivers that turn up at meets all over the continent. Rich Chrysler _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 19:53:34 2010 From: "=?utf-8?B?ZXllcmEzQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==?=" To: "=?utf-8?B?Sm9zZWYuRWNrZXJ0?=" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:03:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] =?utf-8?q?concours_judging?= I understand the Corvette judges count stiches per inch on seat covers to add or subtract points! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Please excuse typos Ira Erbs DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting ----- Reply message ----- From: "Josef.Eckert" Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:44 am Subject: [Healeys] concours judging To: I can whole hardly support this sentence from Chris: Chris Dimmock wrote: "And once again - a sincere thank you to all those involved in the US, and anyone else - who has contributed to the wonderful resource of concours originality guidelines from the US club. Thank you all. Our friends in the US have provided that framework." The originality guidelines are a masterpiece of work and its "The Healey Publication" I use most in my daily hobby entertainment. The way of doing Concours we may not be able to unify. The way of doing Concours is very different in the places of the world and personally I have to say I would not be happy to do Concours Judging as its done by the US friends. I do not want to check a car that close and to the finest details for an hour or more. I think that's really boring and we would not find enough judges to do it. But that's my personal view. Josef Eckert _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 20:21:23 2010 From: Bob Brown To: Healey List , bugeye@yahoogroups.com, Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] Conclave 2010 Photos The Midwest Region AHC has put about 1500 photos that we have collect on http://picasaweb.google.com/102803029943227877077 Enjoy! Conclave 2010 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 20:36:34 2010 From: Dave Murphy To: , "healeys @autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:15:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] recent experience with dollies I have a pair of these self jacking dollies and love them. Well worth the price as compared to the regular (cheaper platform type) dollies that don't feature their own jack. They are incredibly quick to use (2 minutes rather than half an hour) and you won't damage the frame on the Healley as you might with the non-jacking kind. The only functional disadvantage when compared with cheaper platform dollies is that the castors of these self jacking dollies stick way way out to the side which could preventing 2 cars from being stored side by side as closely as could the cheaper platform dollies. -Dave Murphy Dearborn Mi 1966 BJ8 > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:09:51 -0400 > From: ah3000me@gmail.com > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] recent experience with dollies > > I'm thinking of getting a set of dollies to push my Healey around in > the garage. The archives have a couple of threads on the topic, but > the threads are getting old and some of the recommendations from Moss > aren't available anymore. I'm interested in a dolly that I can slide > under the wheel, and it can lift the wheel itself. Something like > this: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=31213 > . > > Anybody have any recommendations? > > thanks, > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/roadwarriordave@hotmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 20:37:34 2010 From: "Frakes, Jim" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:22:42 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] test CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and it may contain information that is privileged or confidential. 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I wonder how many "Is this thing on?" messages I'll have to delete over the next little while? mjb, the one who is obviously overpaid and underworked when it comes to Team.Net! _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 20:41:29 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: "warthodson@aol.com" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Some of us just joined and it's all new to us. Greg 65BJ8 Sent from my iPhone so please excuse typos and brevity. On Aug 4, 2010, at 9:40 AM, "warthodson@aol.com" wrote: Sorry if this is a duplicate. Gary _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 20:42:21 2010 From: Tom Felts To: "eyera3@gmail.com" , "Josef.Eckert" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:06:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Why would they bother---there are tons of Corvettes around. Even lots of the older ones. ---- "eyera3@gmail.com" wrote: ============= I understand the Corvette judges count stiches per inch on seat covers to add or subtract points! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Please excuse typos Ira Erbs DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting ----- Reply message ----- From: "Josef.Eckert" Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:44 am Subject: [Healeys] concours judging To: I can whole hardly support this sentence from Chris: Chris Dimmock wrote: "And once again - a sincere thank you to all those involved in the US, and anyone else - who has contributed to the wonderful resource of concours originality guidelines from the US club. Thank you all. Our friends in the US have provided that framework." The originality guidelines are a masterpiece of work and its "The Healey Publication" I use most in my daily hobby entertainment. The way of doing Concours we may not be able to unify. The way of doing Concours is very different in the places of the world and personally I have to say I would not be happy to do Concours Judging as its done by the US friends. I do not want to check a car that close and to the finest details for an hour or more. I think that's really boring and we would not find enough judges to do it. But that's my personal view. Josef Eckert _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/tomfelts@windstream.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 20:43:35 2010 From: "BJ8 Healeys" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:51:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again The originality of GOLDIE was lost when she was brought to America from England and restored by Healey Surgeons. The car was a mess when they found her. I saw her shortly after she arrived at the Healey Surgeons shop in 1986 or 1987 and before the restoration, so I know she was in poor condition. Actually, I was a bit confused about this thread at first. I couldn't believe GOLDIE would need restoration again, even after 20 years. Sounds like the Phillipses sold her to someone else who had the second restoration done. Last time I saw her, I believe, was at Conclave in 2003. She was on display in a room at the hotel and certainly didn't look like she needed a second restoration then. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry Havelock, NC USA -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ahstc@live.com Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:25 AM To: Richard Dryman; Healeys@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again So, if true, GOLDIE, is no longer GOLDIE but a reproduction of GOLDIE? A shame the originality would be lost; I brought her up from DC in 2000 to AHSTC's Encounter Valley Forge, the car looked great (I know ten years goes by so quickly). Ray _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 20:46:09 2010 From: "Craig Rice" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:21:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging They gotta have something to do, the bodies don't rust. Craig Rice (Indiana) BN1 & BN2 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Josef.Eckert" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging >I understand the Corvette judges count stiches per inch on seat covers to >add or subtract points! > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > Please excuse typos > Ira Erbs > DIGS-4 Solutions. IT Consulting > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Josef.Eckert" > Date: Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:44 am > Subject: [Healeys] concours judging > To: > > I can whole hardly support this sentence from Chris: > > Chris Dimmock wrote: > "And once again - a sincere thank you to all those involved in the US, and > anyone else - who has contributed to the wonderful resource of concours > originality guidelines from the US club. Thank you all. > Our friends in the US have provided that framework." > > The originality guidelines are a masterpiece of work and its "The Healey > Publication" I use most in my daily hobby entertainment. > > The way of doing Concours we may not be able to unify. The way of doing > Concours is very different in the places of the world and personally I > have to > say I would not be happy to do Concours Judging as its done by the US > friends. > I do not want to check a car that close and to the finest details for an > hour > or more. I think that's really boring and we would not find enough judges > to > do it. But that's my personal view. > > Josef Eckert > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/craigsuerice@iquest.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 21:07:40 2010 From: Ron Mitchell To: Curt/Nancy Arndt , "Chris Dimmock \[Healey\]" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: concours judging I've been watching intently to see if anyone remembered the Barn Find of a completely original car. Can't remember if it was a 100-6 or a 3000. It was Healey Blue. Anyhow the owner got out the scrub brush, degreaser, polish and carpet cleaner and did a great job of cleaning the car. It was Concours Judged at Encounter about ten years ago. Might have been longer than that. I didn't have the pleasure of judging it that day, was busy as a note taker on a Bugeye. The results were that the car being completely original right down to the tires and tool bags the only deductions on the score sheets were for condition. The final count added up to a low Silver which was amazing since time had taken a toll on many of the components. It was a pleasure to see a how an original unrestored car would stand up to Concours Standards. My first car was a 1957 Longbridge 100-6 that I bought a week after being discharged from the Navy in early 1957. Many of you have rightly eluded to the fact that they didn't come from the factory looking like the Concours cars of today. I can agree that you are correct. But we would have to go to Bloomington Gold Standard if we wanted a completely original car. I prefer the modern day paints and methods of restoration. Ron Mitchell _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 21:08:28 2010 From: Richard Dryman To: David Nock Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again - STILL !! Remember Goldie at the 1985 Charlotte Conclave. Inan DROVE it down and broke several spokes. Inan said that she got Goldie up to almost 100 mph several times; I thought she had lost her mind !!! Still do !! If you still have the Panorama 180-degree photo, she (Goldie) is on the right under the yellow and white striped tent. ________________________________ From: David Nock To: "Shop at " Just Brits "" Cc: Healeys@autox.team.net; ahstc@live.com Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 2:42:21 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again - STILL !! I also remember hearing a story about Bruce Erfer founder of British Wire Wheel being told he could only site in the car if he was stripped naked. Well the story goes he got to sit in the car. David Nock _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 21:26:06 2010 From: Richard Dryman To: BJ8 Healeys , Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Remember Goldie at the 1985 Charlotte Conclave. Inan DROVE it down and broke several spokes. Inan said that she got Goldie up to almost 100 mph several times; I thought she had lost her mind !!! Still do !! If you still have the Panorama 180-degree photo, she (Goldie) is on the right under the yellow and white striped tent. ________________________________ From: BJ8 Healeys To: Healeys@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 4:51:36 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again The originality of GOLDIE was lost when she was brought to America from England and restored by Healey Surgeons. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 21:41:19 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: ahstc@live.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:32:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Ray, >From the pictures I saw of the car it was a wreck and as I remember it was saved from going to the crusher at the scrapyard. Bruce did a nice job 20 plus years ago but it was due for another refreshing. Curt On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM, wrote: > Thanks Curt, > > Never knew that! > > R > > *From:* Curt/Nancy Arndt > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:31 PM > *To:* ahstc@live.com > *Cc:* Richard Dryman ; Healeys@autox.team.net > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again > > Ray, > > Not true. Goldie when first discovered was in *very sad shape* and was > first restored by Bruce Phillips. It has just been restored yet again. > > What you saw in 2000 was an already restored Goldie, so "originality" was > already lost when Healey Surgeons first restored the car. > > Cheers, > > Curt > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, wrote: > >> So, if true, GOLDIE, is no longer GOLDIE but a reproduction of GOLDIE? A >> shame the originality would be lost; I brought her up from DC in 2000 to >> AHSTC's Encounter Valley Forge, the car looked great (I know ten years goes >> by so quickly). >> >> Ray >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Richard Dryman" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:31 PM >> To: >> Subject: [Healeys] GOLDIE again >> >> Haven't seen this reported yet: Goldie redone: in Sports & Exotic Car, >>> Sept 2010 >>> issue; 4 pages, 11 color photos plus the next 4 pages on the guys who >>> redid her: >>> Jeff's Resurrections, Tx. w/14 color photos( not all of Goldie). All new >>> 24 >>> Carat gold, all new kid interior, all new paint !!! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Healeys@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahstc@live.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 22:07:15 2010 From: HealeyRick To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours What would it take for Goldie to reach a Gold Level in concours? Or a 100S or a factory competition/rallye car? Don't think we've ever had categories for non-production cars, but I suppose it could be feasible. Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 22:55:20 2010 From: "Quinn, Patrick" To: HealeyRick , "healeys@autox.team.net" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:23:34 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours G'day Rick That was a serious problem we faced here in Australia so we have a single class for ex Works cars, Warwick Healeys, prototypes and other ring ins. Hoo Roo Patrick Quinn Sydney, Australia (Rather fond of ring ins!) -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of HealeyRick Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2010 6:36 AM To: healeys@autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours What would it take for Goldie to reach a Gold Level in concours? Or a 100S or a factory competition/rallye car? Don't think we've ever had categories for non-production cars, but I suppose it could be feasible. Rick ********************************************************************** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 4 23:11:13 2010 From: "Shop at \" Just Brits \"" To: Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 23:40:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again << ...saved from going to the crusher at the scrapyard. >> Curt, I 'think' it was Inan [coulda been Bruce but for some reason I don't think so ] that told me that Bruce found Goldie IN a scrapyard [breakers] getting ready for the crusher !?! << Bruce did a nice job 20 plus years ago.... >> Absolutely. What I liked tho was that while Bruce was telling me about the plating, I was poking around and looked in the boot only to find spare wheel/tyre which was UN-plated. He said that after doing all the rest of the stuff, they just couldn't afford doing the spare !! LOL Ed _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 00:10:04 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: Shop at Just Brits Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:42:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Ed, I seem to remember that Goldie was very close to being crushed, but I wasn't certain. Tanks for confirming this bit of info. C On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Shop at " Just Brits " wrote: > << ...saved from going to the crusher at the scrapyard. >> > > Curt, I 'think' it was Inan [coulda been Bruce but for some > reason I don't think so ] that told me that Bruce found > Goldie IN a scrapyard [breakers] getting ready for the > crusher !?! > > << Bruce did a nice job 20 plus years ago.... >> > > Absolutely. What I liked tho was that while Bruce was > telling me about the plating, I was poking around and > looked in the boot only to find spare wheel/tyre > which was UN-plated. He said that after doing all the > rest of the stuff, they just couldn't afford doing the > spare !! LOL > > > Ed > > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 00:27:04 2010 From: Robert Blair To: jagwarman@gmail.com, Healeys@autox.team.net, Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging F, I agree - there are too many over the top restorations out there that result in 'ugly' cars - chrome everywhere, brass everywhere, over restored paint etc. I many cases - All Moss Cars. Not to be confused with upgraded cars - comp repros, a/c, etc. hese are a different breed and do not make any concours claims. Pure driving fun for old technology's sake. The core theme of concours should be 'originality and driving pleasue' - not more glitz and trailer queens - only my opinion. Robert N. Blair Yellow 65BJ8 RNBmail@yahoo.com > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] > Im > Auftrag von Frederich Ficke > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. August 2010 06:13 > An: healeys@autox.team.net > Betreff: [Healeys] concours judging > > I am confused about this concours judging. Isn't the car > suppose to reflect as > it was when new fresh from the factory. If so why are these > high quality paint > jobs allowed when cars of the 50's and 60's never had that > quality of paint > when new? > > I look at it realistically you can restore a car to better > than new appearance > however , it is only new once. Also the person restoring > the classic and > putting chalk marks and such where they would have been > when going thru the > inspection process while being on assembly line is not the > same as a restorer > duplicating the marks. > > I guess I am looking for clarification as to how this > judging really works . > It just seems as though these cars that win are way over > the top as to what > they were really like when they were new. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rnbmail@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 00:28:35 2010 From: Robert Blair To: healeys@autox.team.net, Frederich Ficke Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging F, Bingo - keep driving ...... but maintain. Robert N. Blair Yellow 65BJ8 RNBmail@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Frederich Ficke wrote: > From: Frederich Ficke > Subject: [Healeys] concours judging > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 6:05 AM > I appreciate all the info on the > judging. I guess I grew up with great cars > . I remember Dad having Jags he had a 37 ss100 roadster and > 120's and 140' > and 150. Shoot we had everything It was the 1960 and early > 70's when these > cars were not worth todays values but mind you to buy a ss > 100 jag for > 7500.00 in 1972 that was a lot of money. > > I guess I just love to enjoy the car and the drive. Many > people say you need > to restore your Healey and I always stop and reflect back > to what I have > done in the past. Once I got done restoring the car was no > longer fun cause > I worried all the time if it would get scratched or dented > or stolen. so I > just no lnger worry about it. One day some of you guy will > see me at a show > just driving my car and I would surely win the ugly car > award. but thats > okay I wouldn't have it any other way. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rnbmail@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 01:18:58 2010 From: To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:02:56 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging Frederich, That's fully acceptable for me even I am a Concours nut. The Austin-Healeys I own were such rotten that they needed a complete restoration to bring them back on the road. So I did - and its in me I can't stop that - complete Concours restorations ending up with cars looking better than they were as new. That's my personal madness and I also stay to it. On the other hand I own a 1950 Morris Minor Tourer were I did a very sensible restoration of the mechanical parts. The body of this car was still good enough to keep it and I just did minor necessary repairs. The engine, drivetrain, brakes needed a full rebuild as car was originally delivered to Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) and the 3 previous owners used the car intensively, even with only two brake cylinders working. To say I tried to keep all the ("patina") traces of old age on the car. Bringing back this car to the road was much more difficult, as you can't go to dealers to get the spares you need, as they are no more available new. A spare engine I have got from the Swiss army, as they were used in a tank as a generator engine. But that`s a different story. Josef Eckert Konigswinter/Germany --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Frederich Ficke wrote: > From: Frederich Ficke > Subject: [Healeys] concours judging > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 6:05 AM I appreciate all the info on > the judging. I guess I grew up with great cars . I remember Dad having > Jags he had a 37 ss100 roadster and 120's and 140' > and 150. Shoot we had everything It was the 1960 and early 70's when > these cars were not worth todays values but mind you to buy a ss 100 > jag for 7500.00 in 1972 that was a lot of money. > > I guess I just love to enjoy the car and the drive. Many people say > you need to restore your Healey and I always stop and reflect back to > what I have done in the past. Once I got done restoring the car was no > longer fun cause I worried all the time if it would get scratched or > dented or stolen. so I just no lnger worry about it. One day some of > you guy will see me at a show just driving my car and I would surely > win the ugly car award. but thats okay I wouldn't have it any other > way. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 01:48:52 2010 From: Tadeusz Malkiewicz To: Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:31:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again What is/was Goldie?... _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 02:04:07 2010 From: Derek Job To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:47:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Not sure I understand this comment Joseph. I believe the whole point of the US style judgeing is that the cars sshould be as close to factory as possible and are awarded Gold, silver and bronze (or nothing) according to their achievement.The only way to do this is to have several people scrutinise every aspect of the car, which of course takes time. I think that any other kind of concours is more of a concours d'elegance, where the car's condition and standard of workmanship is what is being judged. For instance this is what happened at St Moritz in the Concours there, although by chance, the car that actually won overall was the 3000 restored by Magnus which would have scored very highly in the US system. Other cars that received prizes were nothing like they left the factory. Personally, I dont think it matters as there is room for both types of Concours in the Healeey world as long as everyone understands the type of competition involved. In the US very few cars are actually put forward for the intense type of Concours judgeing so judgeing time isn' t an issue. Plus the US system isn't a competition. You are not competing against other cars you are having your car marked against a standard. best regards Derek regards Derek issue.On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:44 PM, wrote: > I can whole hardly support this sentence from Chris: > > Chris Dimmock wrote: > "And once again - a sincere thank you to all those involved in the US, and > anyone else - who has contributed to the wonderful resource of concours > originality guidelines from the US club. Thank you all. > Our friends in the US have provided that framework." > > The originality guidelines are a masterpiece of work and its "The Healey > Publication" I use most in my daily hobby entertainment. > > The way of doing Concours we may not be able to unify. The way of doing > Concours is very different in the places of the world and personally I have > to > say I would not be happy to do Concours Judging as its done by the US > friends. > I do not want to check a car that close and to the finest details for an > hour > or more. I think that's really boring and we would not find enough judges > to > do it. But that's my personal view. > > Josef Eckert > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/derek.c.job@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 02:21:19 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Tadeusz Malkiewicz Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:57:24 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Tadek - It was an over-the-top Las Vegas style show car made by DMH for the Earl's Court in 1958. Not really my cup of tea, but lots of gold and ivory... oh... and several furry cute animals were killed in the process. It's a fun one to look at. http://www.flickr.com/photos/proscriptus/4604961710/in/set-72157623930646335/ Cheers, Alan On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tadeusz Malkiewicz < tadeusz.malkiewicz@plusnet.pl> wrote: > What is/was Goldie?... _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 04:20:19 2010 From: "Peter Svilans" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 05:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Goldie again While I'm of the opinion that concours cars should be driven as DMH intended, maybe Goldie should have been an exception and coddled just a bit more than it was. The gold plating, ivory hardware, and delicate pale brown suede and white mink interior trim were not materials intended to stand up to a life of hard use. She was built to be a princess, and should have perhaps been treated more like one. The car was found in a derelict state in 1983 with the interior literally hanging in shreds, water-soaked and blackened with age and exposure. To the Philipses' enormous credit, they restored the car to its original appearance with lots of help from Geoff Healey and Roger Menadue. The car was brought up to Martin MacGregor's shop here in Canada where it spent several months being retrimmed to its exact original specs. We took great pains in choosing the correct (read expen$ive) materials in a proper shade of thin suede glove leather, and strips of mink fur stitched together using the same technique that a mink coat is done in. Carpet was Wilton wool. The radio was enclosed in a special box, the heater box had a highly polished brass face plate, the steering wheel was a heavy-spoke type with a large hub area (not the standard Austin pattern), and the entire area behind the seats was enclosed by a large trimmed thin ply panel. All normal BN 6 parts- the spare tire, rear quarter boxes, battery cover panel and folded top were hidden behind this panel. The gold-plated speaker enclosures and special latches were let into the top face of the encxlosure, making for a very tidy look. The delicate suede material was much thinner and was made up of smaller hides than the normal Healey spec Connolly leather. It was very prone to marking and fingerprints, so we wore white cotton gloves the entire time. The interior was absulutely pristeen, there wasn't a scuff mark on it anywhere. So we at MacGregor's were somewhat taken aback when the Philipses picked it up. They casually tossed in their luggage, jumped in, and roared off- top down- into a looming thunderstorm. Next time I saw the car was at Encounter/ Conclave where Goldie was entered in a gymkhana. I could hear the brittle gold-plated spokes pinging and snapping . I mentioned it to Bruce, who replied "I know. We keep a box of spares". Best Peter _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 04:21:12 2010 From: "Peter Svilans" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 05:56:58 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Concours judging My previous boss collected very low-mileage Triumph TR-6's. One had only SIX miles on it. The factory workmanship was so bad and the paint (especially underhood) so poor that there was no hope whatsoever in meeting todays judging standards. As mentioned before, these factory cars were built to a different, assembly line standard than today's meticulous restorations, so these original survivor cars are normally judged in their own class in other clubs. Its a different world. In a sense, most of us are building replicas according to our own personal twenty-first century sensibilities and tastes, when we "restore" a Healey today. Best Peter Concours Advisory Committee _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 04:52:48 2010 From: To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:28:50 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] WG: concours judging Derek, Here in Europe, we use the judging system as done at the European Healey Meets (Luxembourg, St. Moritz, Halmstad). We have about 10 classes which include all sorts of Healeys, also Warwick Healeys, Jensen Healeys, Sprites, even a "Tribute to Healey Class" ( for HMC Healeys, Isle of Wright Sprites, Replicas etc.). And we have classes for Modified Big Healeys and Modified Sprites. This is all done in a competition where 1st, second and third prizes are awarded in class and a "Best Car of Show", see: The Austin Healey Club National Concours: www.austin-healey-club.com/Pages/trophies.html We have about 20 to 40 cars booked in for a National Concours, even more for the Concours at European Healey Meets. So we are not able to spend such long time for judging one car. These many cars are judged in about 2 hours time. One or two judges together do one class. In case first and second scored cars in a class are very close with their overall scores, we do a second round with only these two cars to be sure to get the best car as the class winner. Similar we do for getting the Overall Winner. Anyway, if an owners wants to know how he can improve his car for the next event, the judges are very open to tell were to set the spanner. Concours is part of an Healey event and open to the public for asking questions to the owners and judges, which is heavily used. To take ideas and tips for your own restoration. Its included in an event as one of the attractions and usually there is some public around the cars and "expert discussions". Josef Eckert ________________________________ Von: Derek Job [mailto:derek.c.job@gmail.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. August 2010 09:47 An: Eckert, Josef Cc: Healeys@autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Not sure I understand this comment Joseph. I believe the whole point of the US style judgeing is that the cars sshould be as close to factory as possible and are awarded Gold, silver and bronze (or nothing) according to their achievement.The only way to do this is to have several people scrutinise every aspect of the car, which of course takes time. I think that any other kind of concours is more of a concours d'elegance, where the car's condition and standard of workmanship is what is being judged. For instance this is what happened at St Moritz in the Concours there, although by chance, the car that actually won overall was the 3000 restored by Magnus which would have scored very highly in the US system. Other cars that received prizes were nothing like they left the factory. Personally, I dont think it matters as there is room for both types of Concours in the Healeey world as long as everyone understands the type of competition involved. In the US very few cars are actually put forward for the intense type of Concours judgeing so judgeing time isn' t an issue. Plus the US system isn't a competition. You are not competing against other cars you are having your car marked against a standard. best regards Derek _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 04:53:19 2010 From: I Erbs To: Peter Svilans Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 03:33:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Goldie again Wtf! What a story! I Erbs Sent from my iPod On Aug 5, 2010, at 2:50 AM, "Peter Svilans" wrote: > While I'm of the opinion that concours cars should be driven as DMH > intended, > maybe Goldie should have been an exception and coddled just a bit > more than it > was. > > The gold plating, ivory hardware, and delicate pale brown suede and > white mink > interior trim were not materials intended to stand up to a life of > hard use. > She was built to be a princess, and should have perhaps been treated > more like > one. > > The car was found in a derelict state in 1983 with the interior > literally > hanging in shreds, water-soaked and blackened with age and > exposure. To the > Philipses' enormous credit, they restored the car to its original > appearance > with lots of help from Geoff Healey and Roger Menadue. > > The car was brought up to Martin MacGregor's shop here in Canada > where it > spent several months being retrimmed to its exact original specs. > We took > great pains in choosing the correct (read expen$ive) materials in a > proper > shade of thin suede glove leather, and strips of mink fur stitched > together > using the same technique that a mink coat is done in. Carpet was > Wilton wool. > > The radio was enclosed in a special box, the heater box had a highly > polished > brass face plate, the steering wheel was a heavy-spoke type with a > large hub > area (not the standard Austin pattern), and the entire area behind > the seats > was enclosed by a large trimmed thin ply panel. All normal BN 6 > parts- the > spare tire, rear quarter boxes, battery cover panel and folded top > were > hidden behind this panel. The gold-plated speaker enclosures and > special > latches were let into the top face of the encxlosure, making for a > very tidy > look. > > The delicate suede material was much thinner and was made up of > smaller hides > than the normal Healey spec Connolly leather. It was very prone to > marking > and fingerprints, so we wore white cotton gloves the entire time. The > interior was absulutely pristeen, there wasn't a scuff mark on it > anywhere. So > we at MacGregor's were somewhat taken aback when the Philipses > picked it up. > They casually tossed in their luggage, jumped in, and roared off- > top down- > into a looming thunderstorm. > > Next time I saw the car was at Encounter/ Conclave where Goldie was > entered > in a gymkhana. I could hear the brittle gold-plated spokes pinging > and > snapping . I mentioned it to Bruce, who replied "I know. We keep a > box of > spares". > > Best > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/eyera3@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 05:05:32 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Peter Svilans Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:50:15 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging Or any other classic. Bang on! Kees Oudesluijs NL Peter Svilans wrote: > ................ > Its a different world. In a sense, most of us are building replicas according > to our own personal twenty-first century sensibilities and tastes, when we > "restore" a Healey today. > > Best > Peter > Concours Advisory Committee [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 05:49:56 2010 From: Chris Dimmock To: Oudesluys Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:22:42 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging I disagree. We are building the cars the way they generally "should" have been built. Overspray on spark plugs? Just a cost/ time saving measure. Tell me a professional engine builder who does that? Paint drips on a chassis? Upside down? Who as a professional painter would claim that as typical of his best workmanship?? So - still no response to my question from all the concours critics ..... "which BN1 would have won a concours in around June 1953 - given there were 5 entrants - all were original - and all are less than 30 days old?" And judged by their peers. So - which car would win my theoretical concours????? Think about it. Chris www.myaustinhealey.com Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2010, at 8:50 PM, Oudesluys wrote: > Or any other classic. Bang on! > Kees Oudesluijs > NL > > Peter Svilans wrote: >> ................ >> Its a different world. In a sense, most of us are building >> replicas according >> to our own personal twenty-first century sensibilities and tastes, >> when we >> "restore" a Healey today. >> >> Best >> Peter >> Concours Advisory _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 06:24:19 2010 From: jerry wall To: Chris Dimmock Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:01:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging chris, either the red one or the blue one! cheers, jerry On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:22 AM, Chris Dimmock wrote: > I disagree. We are building the cars the way they generally "should" have > been built. > Overspray on spark plugs? Just a cost/ time saving measure. Tell me a > professional engine builder who does that? > Paint drips on a chassis? Upside down? Who as a professional painter would > claim that as typical of his best workmanship?? > So - still no response to my question from all the concours critics ..... > "which BN1 would have won a concours in around June 1953 - given there > were 5 entrants - all were original - and all are less than 30 days old?" > And judged by their peers. > So - which car would win my theoretical concours????? > > Think about it. > Chris > www.myaustinhealey.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 05/08/2010, at 8:50 PM, Oudesluys wrote: > > Or any other classic. Bang on! >> Kees Oudesluijs >> NL >> >> Peter Svilans wrote: >> >>> ................ >>> Its a different world. In a sense, most of us are building replicas >>> according >>> to our own personal twenty-first century sensibilities and tastes, when >>> we >>> "restore" a Healey today. >>> >>> Best >>> Peter >>> Concours Advisory >>> >> _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/jwbn6hrdtp@gmail.com > -- jerry wall BN6 rowlett, tx _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 06:37:33 2010 From: Ron Mitchell To: Chris Dimmock , Oudesluys Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 05:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging From: Chris Dimmock Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:22:42 AM Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging So - still no response to my question from all the concours critics ..... "which BN1 would have won a concours in around June 1953 - given there were 5 entrants - all were original - and all are less than 30 days old?" And judged by their peers. Judged by their peers? - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Your description is that of a Popularity Car Show. So - which car would win my theoretical concours????? Your Theoretical Concours desribes a Popularity Car Show. In Concours judging all five could win Gold or Not. There could possibly be damage done to the cars during the first 30 days which would result in deductions for condition. There is no intended winner in Concours Judging. Cars are judged against standards not each other. Ron Mitchell _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 07:37:12 2010 From: Tom Felts To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 9:09:52 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging Thanks for the explanation Rich--since i was one of those who made that statement. I think what happened to many "anti-concours" folks was that they got the impression that concours equated to a trailer queen, or one that was seldon driven. I drove with another Healey driver from Pittsburgh to Louisville to Conclave a number of years back. He was driving there to be judged in concours. It was a beautiful 2 days of driving and somewhat hot. For fear he would lose a few points for a less than perfect top, he would not put the top down. I guess it was/is feelings and attitudes like this that have created the "anti-concours" feeling among some. In any event, thanks for explaining what you do and how/why concour judging works. Regards tom ---- Rich C wrote: ============= Every time the subject of Concours Judging comes up, there always seems to be lots of folks who are NOT involved in, and know almost nothing about the process who always feel the need to pipe up and talk it down, or otherwise cloud and confuse the subject to the point where the onlookers repeat once more "that once again reinforces my opinion about Concours". I cannot speak for other Concours activities around the world, but I can speak for our National Concours Registry, here in North America. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 07:37:54 2010 From: "Ed Woods" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:11:16 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Fw: 3000 crankshaft available List, Prior to being convinced to return my BN4 to its original engine configuration, I'd purchased some 3000 engine parts. Unfortunately, I'd already had the 3000 crankshaft crack checked, cleaned and reground .010 under. I'd also purchased a complete set of bearings for it. If anyone on this list is interested in acquiring it at my cost + shipping, please contact me off list. Thanks, Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 07:55:06 2010 From: "Rich C" To: "HealeyRick" , Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:25:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours Rick, Our National Concours Registry is not geared to judge one off's and special cars, not even the 100S, as they were built in 5 batches of 10 each and there were even differences between them. The Registry studies and follows the practices of the production cars only, and will remain with this theme. To this end, when an entrant has something on his production car that deviates from the normal production, he/she is encouraged to provide documentation that this specific car was built with this anomaly, the best proof being the BMIHT certificate. In the case of period options, the owner is encouraged to provide period documentation that this accessory was available at the time of the car's production. For instance an after market period luggage rack available from AMCO as shown on a 1960 BT7; bring a copy of the advertisement as seen in an issue of Sports Car Graphic dated Feb. 1960. Rich Chrysler -------------------------------------------------- From: "HealeyRick" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 4:36 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours > What would it take for Goldie to reach a Gold Level in concours? Or a > 100S or > a factory competition/rallye car? Don't think we've ever had categories > for > non-production cars, but I suppose it could be feasible. > > Rick > > > Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 08:55:55 2010 From: To: Alan Seigrist , Curt/Nancy Arndt Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:28:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8 inner body panels All, I did this very thing years ago on a BT7. Took lots of photos, measurements and everything. Now it looks like a 72 Gremlin! Not really :) Keith ---- Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: > Todd, > > Alan is absolutely correct here. The are very few people capable of doing > this type of work, and not every so called body/restoration shop is up to > the challenge. > > Tom Kovacs of Fourintune is one shop that is capable of this type of work, > but I also know of an individual who is not a professional restorer who has > resurrected a Healey that even Kovacs claimed was un-restorable. It all > comes down to accurate measurements patience, which equals time, which > equals MONEY when your talking about a professional restorer. Now that's > were my friend succeeded where others have failed, he is retired and has the > patience the *skill* and the time to do it right. > > Todd I don't know you our your capabilities, but with all due respect if you > have to ask this question, then you are probably not up to the challenge, > and it is most likely left to an expert. And not just any restorer... one > who has done Healey's in the past is my recommendation. > > I have judged many a Concours car where the panel fit was atrocious, and the > body work of these cars was done by a pro, but in almost every case, they > were not Austin Healey specialists. > > Cheers, > > Curt > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote: > > > Todd - > > > > >From what I understand this is one of the most difficult and technical > > things you could ever possibly hope to do on your healey and is best > > handled > > by a chassis specialist/welder who is experienced with these cars. > > > > If your main issue is just a few spots of rust here and there, I'd focus on > > doing a patch job here and there rather than attempting to pull the whole > > kit and kaboodle apart. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Alan > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:52 AM, wrote: > > > > I have 66 BJ8 in the process of restoration - I have the outer body removed > > and need to know if there is a process for removing inner body panels and > > replacing them with the new ones in the correct position/measurements. > > > > Any and all help would be greatly appreciated > > > > Todd > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/pennell@cox.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 10:26:38 2010 From: I Erbs To: Rich C Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:09:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours May I add my thanks for not only the time you folks take to answer OEM questions about the cars, but for the effort to get it right. My car will not be show quality, but do want to know what original is to guide my resto decisions. Cheers On Aug 5, 2010 6:55 AM, "Rich C" wrote: Rick, Our National Concours Registry is not geared to judge one off's and special cars, not even the 100S, as they were built in 5 batches of 10 each and there were even differences between them. The Registry studies and follows the practices of the production cars only, and will remain with this theme. To this end, when an entrant has something on his production car that deviates from the normal production, he/she is encouraged to provide documentation that this specific car was built with this anomaly, the best proof being the BMIHT certificate. In the case of period options, the owner is encouraged to provide period documentation that this accessory was available at the time of the car's production. For instance an after market period luggage rack available from AMCO as shown on a 1960 BT7; bring a copy of the advertisement as seen in an issue of Sports Car Graphic dated Feb. 1960. Rich Chrysler -------------------------------------------------- From: "HealeyRick" Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 4:36 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours > > What would it take for Goldie to reach a Gold Level in concours? Or a > 100S or > > a factory competi... > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net > _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/... _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 10:54:38 2010 From: Chris Dimmock To: Ron Mitchell Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 02:42:55 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging Thanks Ron You got my first point of sarcasm. Judged to a standard. Not against each other. But you missed the point of the second part. "Judged by their peers" meant judged by the OWNERS of the 5 or so cars at my theoretical concours in 1953. "peer= someone with equal standing" How is that a popularity contest???? So, my point was if you had 5 owners, of 5 'new' BN1s, back in 1953, and one had "fixed" the obvious production related issues on his original car, now 30 days old, and meticulously cleaned it, and the 5 guys - peers- all looked at each others cars as judges - which car - based on the 2010 rules, would rate highest??? i.e. which car would those 5 guys rate as gold? All of them? Remembering the cars are all 30 days old, so there is no originality issue (in my theoretical example) It's my example, so I get to make the rules! Ok Ron! I didn't say some were crashed. :-) Chris Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2010, at 10:24 PM, Ron Mitchell wrote: > From: Chris Dimmock > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:22:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging > > So - still no response to my question from all the concours > critics ..... > "which BN1 would have won a concours in around June 1953 - given > there were 5 entrants - all were original - and all are less than 30 > days old?" > And judged by their peers. Judged by their peers? - Beauty is in > the eye of the beholder. Your description is that of a Popularity > Car Show. > > So - which car would win my theoretical concours????? Your > Theoretical Concours desribes a Popularity Car Show. In Concours > judging all five could win Gold or Not. There could possibly be > damage done to the cars during the first 30 days which would result > in deductions for condition. There is no intended winner in > Concours Judging. Cars are judged against standards not each other. > > Ron Mitchell _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 11:06:57 2010 From: Editorgary@aol.com To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:45:50 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] Goldie In a message dated 8/5/10 5:25:47 AM, healeys-request@autox.team.net writes: > So we at MacGregor's were somewhat taken aback when the Philipses picked > it up. > They casually tossed in their luggage, jumped in, and roared off- top > down- > into a looming thunderstorm. > Goldie's life is certainly an example of the varying attitudes people can take to cars. The car was built to attract attention to the Healey stand at Earls Court in a year when they didn't really have anything new to offer (another company in the same pickle a few years later draped literally naked models over the bonnet of their car -- until the show officials put a stop to that, requiring them to put bikinis on the models, but the publicity result was achieved). Then, after the show was over, to milk a little more publicity out of the car, it was given away in a newspaper-sponsored contest. Needless to say, anything you get for nothing gets treated that way, and the car eventually reached the stage that the Phillips found it. Bruce and Inan then spent a car-load of money to restore the car to its original condition, but neither of them would ever claim to be show-car people, so the car was never coddled -- more's the pity, but it wasn't original Healey-applied gold or mink after all, so if they chose to keep it in their (rather dusty) showroom, and clean it up on the odd occasion when it made a personal appearance, that was up to them. In any case, when I first saw it there in the early '80s, I was extremely disappointed to discover that though the exterior cosmetics had been restored, the engine and drivetrain never got that attention, and they were reluctant to even open the bonnet. It's nice to see that the appearance of the original car has been reproduced once again (and this time perhaps closer to its original show appearance underneath), and still on the same chassis, which makes the car the "original" car -- it just can't claim to be "preserved" rather than "restored." Cheers Gary _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:50 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: Tom Felts Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:56:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Tom, Think about what you just wrote. The man DROVE his Concours car to the meet from Pittsburgh to Louisville! Now you bring up the point that by his own choice he didn't put the top down??? So assuming he was judged and did well, I will also assume he continued to drive his Concours car as we in the Committee hope that all Healeys will be driven, Concours or not. Remember he was going to a meet to be judged, hopefully a one time event, and after that enjoy the car. But is any case, this was his choice. As a side note, the top if folded properly, should be just fine when re-erected or judging purposes since we in the committee understand and make allowances for cars that are driven. And this gives you and others an anti-Concours feeling? How? Take this a step further, if it started raining enroute, would you have put your top up? If so why? Besides the fact you may want to stay dry, it was probably to protect the interior and carpet. As I have stated repeatedly in previous posts, we in the Committee are of like mind and have gone out of our way to encourage the cars to be driven. One example is that we will eliminate the entire five point deduction for non bias ply tires if you use the proper 165R15 radial tires, and you drive your Concours car up to 500 miles during the six months prior to being judged. It it clear to me that most of the so called "anti-Concours" folks out there have preconceived misconceptions about our Austin Healey Concours based on other Marque Concours or a Pebble Beach Style of Concours d'Elegance judging. Geesh, if I had any hair left I'd be pulling it out right now :-) On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: *Remember that our Concours standards/cars do not include trailer queens as many misinformed folks on this list have accused us of, since we encourage Concours cars to be driven. If a US Concours car is a trailer queen then that's the choice of the owner and NOT our standards* Cheers, Curt. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Tom Felts wrote: > Thanks for the explanation Rich--since i was one of those who made that > statement. I think what happened to many "anti-concours" folks was that > they got the impression that concours equated to a trailer queen, or one > that was seldon driven. > > I drove with another Healey driver from Pittsburgh to Louisville to > Conclave a number of years back. He was driving there to be judged in > concours. It was a beautiful 2 days of driving and somewhat hot. For fear > he would lose a few points for a less than perfect top, he would not put the > top down. > > I guess it was/is feelings and attitudes like this that have created the > "anti-concours" feeling among some. > > In any event, thanks for explaining what you do and how/why concour judging > works. > > Regards > tom _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 11:28:43 2010 From: Chris Dimmock To: Ron Mitchell Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 03:10:29 +1000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging Geez, thats unusual. A reply with red words, in a larger font, and all underlined? Is Ed running HTML email encoding classes for listers? Ron - read my initial email on this topic. Maybe I shouldn't use my phone to post. In my initial email, you will note I put "best" in "inverted commas" every time. ;-) Did you sort out your ignition timing Ron? And which head casting are you running??? Cooling isn't an issue for me in Sydney Australia. Personally, i think that most cooling problems today are due to 45 year old engines having water jackets full of sediment and deposits. Redistrip the block & head My BJ8 has pretty good HP and torque for a non steel crank engine http://www.myaustinhealey.com/dyno_sheet.html and has done numerous 6 hour relay races, competition events, and road miles, http://www.myaustinhealey.com/wgatesera.html and has been driven numerous times interstate to compete. And has always been driven home. Best ;-) Chris Sent from my iPhone On 05/08/2010, at 10:24 PM, Ron Mitchell wrote: > From: Chris Dimmock > Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:22:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging > > So - still no response to my question from all the concours > critics ..... > "which BN1 would have won a concours in around June 1953 - given > there were 5 entrants - all were original - and all are less than 30 > days old?" > And judged by their peers. Judged by their peers? - Beauty is in > the eye of the beholder. Your description is that of a Popularity > Car Show. > > So - which car would win my theoretical concours????? Your > Theoretical Concours desribes a Popularity Car Show. In Concours > judging all five could win Gold or Not. There could possibly be > damage done to the cars during the first 30 days which would result > in deductions for condition. There is no intended winner in > Concours Judging. Cars are judged against standards not each other. > > Ron Mitchell _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 12:23:17 2010 From: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" To: I Erbs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:59:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:09 AM, I Erbs wrot > *My car will not be show quality, but do want to know what original is to > guide my resto decisions.* > Thank you for this comment. Our efforts are not just for those interested in Concours. Many of the questions asked on this list can be readily answered by referring to the Concours Guidelines. The same can be said for questions from the average restorer. The recent thread on Dowel Bolt position comes to mind. In fact if it wasn't for the efforts and research of Roger Moment, most of you would not even know what a Dowel Bolt was. Cheers, Curt _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 12:31:42 2010 From: I Erbs To: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:05:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Goldie/Concours I really could not imagine doing this project 10 years ago. I worked at Austin Healey Enterprises in the 70/80s, but have either forgotten things or we just did the best we could. Thanks again for your efforts. This list is an amazing resource. cheers On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:09 AM, I Erbs wrot > >> *My car will not be show quality, but do want to know what original is >> to guide my resto decisions.* >> > > Thank you for this comment. Our efforts are not just for those interested > in Concours. Many of the questions asked on this list can be readily > answered by referring to the Concours Guidelines. The same can be said for > questions from the average restorer. > > The recent thread on Dowel Bolt position comes to mind. In fact if it > wasn't for the efforts and research of Roger Moment, most of you would not > even know what a Dowel Bolt was. > > Cheers, > > Curt > > -- Ira Erbs Portland, OR _______ _______ (______ \____1960 BT7____/ _______) (_________________________) _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 12:33:32 2010 From: HealeyRick To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] BJ7 Fender Measurement With the installation of the lighter small block Ford in my BJ7, the front end of my car has predictably risen. I want to bring it back to stock ride height. Does anyone have a measurement from the ground to the center of the front wheel arch opening directly above the knock-off? Thanks in advance, Rick Follow My Nasty Boy Build: http://tinyurl.com/yj52fwo _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 12:56:54 2010 From: To: "Curt/Nancy Arndt" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:27:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again I understand that now, thanks. It's a shame it was so mistreated after Earl's Court but at the time, I'm sure it was just considered a 'used car'. It was great for Bruce and Inan to save it so future generations could appreciate. Ray From: Curt/Nancy Arndt Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:32 PM To: ahstc@live.com Cc: Richard Dryman ; Healeys@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Ray, >From the pictures I saw of the car it was a wreck and as I remember it was saved from going to the crusher at the scrapyard. Bruce did a nice job 20 plus years ago but it was due for another refreshing. Curt On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:41 AM, wrote: Thanks Curt, Never knew that! R From: Curt/Nancy Arndt Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:31 PM To: ahstc@live.com Cc: Richard Dryman ; Healeys@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Ray, Not true. Goldie when first discovered was in very sad shape and was first restored by Bruce Phillips. It has just been restored yet again. What you saw in 2000 was an already restored Goldie, so "originality" was already lost when Healey Surgeons first restored the car. Cheers, Curt On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:24 AM, wrote: So, if true, GOLDIE, is no longer GOLDIE but a reproduction of GOLDIE? A shame the originality would be lost; I brought her up from DC in 2000 to AHSTC's Encounter Valley Forge, the car looked great (I know ten years goes by so quickly). Ray -------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Dryman" Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:31 PM To: Subject: [Healeys] GOLDIE again Haven't seen this reported yet: Goldie redone: in Sports & Exotic Car, Sept 2010 issue; 4 pages, 11 color photos plus the next 4 pages on the guys who redid her: Jeff's Resurrections, Tx. w/14 color photos( not all of Goldie). All new 24 Carat gold, all new kid interior, all new paint !!! _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/ahstc@live.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 13:09:18 2010 From: "Dan Stromquist" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:58:12 -0500 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging Rich & Curt: I am truly amazed by the amount of effort and time the whole concours group has put into this without compensation. We all share your love for these cars and all applaud your group for efforts in preserving the originally. I personally have read most of the guidelines multiple times and they are a major accomplishment that will endure forever (very fairly priced at $20 so everyone should have a copy as a reference). Thank you. Daniel A Stromquist _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dan@warner-associates.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 14:12:25 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Josef.Eckert@t-systems.com Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:38:49 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] concours judging Josef, Rich, Kurt and all others contributing, I have been trying to get a grasp with the concours business in the past as some of you may remember, but it was never completely successful. This time I think I understand the system and its differences in the various area's of the world. It has been an eye opener. For me it had always been something like Cernobbio, Como, Italy or Pebble Beach, Califonia, USA. I am glad that is only a small part of the scene and that I was proven wrong and that there is an awful lot more to it. Thank you all for putting me into the right direction. Kees Oudesluijs NL [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 14:26:22 2010 From: Tom Felts To: Curt/Nancy Arndt Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:57:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Thanks Curt--what you said, that's what I said in my note. On the guy with the top, it wasn't just the top, it was an attitude. He was paranoid about the car for fear he might lose a point. Of course it was a choice, but we need to look inside the motivation for the choice. In his case, he was driven (pardon the pun:) ) by his fear of losing points in coucour judging. I have no campaign to harm concour activities at all. I am grateful we have those with the knowledge who strive for originality with these cars. I actually do strive for it--although I have a Pertronix and an upgraded brake servo:) I am not "anti-concour" and I harbor no evil thoughts on those who participate. I was hoping my post would have clarified that:) tom ---- Curt/Nancy Arndt wrote: ============= Tom, Think about what you just wrote. The man DROVE his Concours car to the meet from Pittsburgh to Louisville! Now you bring up the point that by his own choice he didn't put the top down??? So assuming he was judged and did well, I will also assume he continued to drive his Concours car as we in the Committee hope that all Healeys will be driven, ---------- _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 14:40:54 2010 From: John Vrugtman To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:14:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging One point regarding concours level restorations, is that after you restore a car completely to a gold or silver level, it becomes a reliable and fun to drive car. Ours, restored to gold level in 1995, driven to the event in Canada from Virginia, has been a very reliable driver, with minimal attention, other than standard maintainence. Just drove it Monday on a 150 mile trip without a moments hesitation. John 66BJ8 64BJ8 74 Commando On 8/5/2010 2:58 PM, Dan Stromquist wrote: > Rich& Curt: > I am truly amazed by the amount of effort and time the whole concours group > has put into this without compensation. We all share your love for these > cars and all applaud your group for efforts in preserving the originally. I > personally have read most of the guidelines multiple times and they are a > major accomplishment that will endure forever (very fairly priced at $20 so > everyone should have a copy as a reference). > Thank you. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 15:39:18 2010 From: Ron Mitchell To: Chris Dimmock Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging Chris Thanks for asking. I will know next week if I have the overheating problem sorted out. I bought one of those adjustable Strobe Light to time the engine. With the help of a knowledgeable friend we tore down the distributor and confirmed that all the components were in good working condition. Without the aid of a Sun Machine we could only inspect the parts for wear. I had the Water Pump rebuilt. Had a radiator shop inspect and flush the recently recored radiator. Reverse flushed the engine while the radiator and water pump were out of the car and the petcock on the side of the block below the carburetors open. Replaced all components then added 2 1/2 gallons of 50/50 mix Antifreeze. Timed to car to 6 degrees before TDC. Adjusted the air fuel mixture of the three carbs with a Unisyn. Retimed the engine once more. Drove at 3000 RPMs on the freeway for approximately 30 miles round trip. Ambient Temperature yesterday was 91 degree F. Engine temperature was a steady 188 to 190 for the entire time. 185 degree Thermostat. So far so good. I'll know more after I travel up and down the mountains in PA on way to Encounter next week. I will check the Head Casting Number and get back to you. Ron Mitchell _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 18:11:37 2010 From: "David Masucci" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:51:47 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] oscillatiing/chattering oil pressure gauge My BJ8 has always had typical oil pressure and still does. The engine runs great and makes no bad noises. But all of a sudden the oil gauge is oscillating a lot! It will chatter over a 20-30 pound range when the engine is at 2500 RPM or so. Even at idle it's chattering back and forth. I've seen similar things before when there's air in the oil line, but this is a lot worse. The engine seems fine...I hope. What could do this? Can the relief valve do this? Thanks, Dave BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 18:27:34 2010 From: Editorgary@aol.com To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:57:24 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] We're talking originality here. In a message dated 8/5/10 10:34:35 AM, healeys-request@autox.team.net writes: > May I add my thanks for not only the time you folks take to answer OEM > questions about the cars, but for the effort to get it right. My car will > not be show quality, but do want to know what original is to guide my > resto > decisions. > Cheers > And that's where the Concours Registry began, when Rich, Roger, and I sat down to discuss it at the AHCA delegates meeting in Illinois those many years ago. The point was to assemble all that we knew then about originality and continue to expand our knowledge while correcting old errors. One benefit is that we have a basis to evaluate cars that have been restored with original standards as the objectives, and to recognize them as rolling examples, but underlying all of it was simply the desire to expand our knowledge and make that knowledge available. We believed then, and we believe now, that the information about the original specificiations was worth preserving, lest these car simply become blank canvases on which anyone could paint their idea of "what Donald might have done, if he had ... " Cheers Gary _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 19:26:41 2010 From: "Rich C" To: "Chris Dimmock" , "Ron Mitchell" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:09:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging Each owner would theoretically probably call his own the best. However 5 recent owners wouldn't know enough about their cars to tell whether what they examined was "right" or not. However, you say based on our 2010 "rules"? You mean standards of what is expected today? Probably the fellow who had tweaked the obvious imperfections. Rich -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Dimmock" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:42 PM To: "Ron Mitchell" Cc: Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging > Thanks Ron > > You got my first point of sarcasm. > Judged to a standard. Not against each other. > But you missed the point of the second part. "Judged by their peers" > meant judged by the OWNERS of the 5 or so cars at my theoretical > concours in 1953. > "peer= someone with equal standing" > How is that a popularity contest???? > So, my point was if you had 5 owners, of 5 'new' BN1s, back in 1953, > and one had "fixed" the obvious production related issues on his > original car, now 30 days old, and meticulously cleaned it, and the 5 > guys - peers- all looked at each others cars as judges - which car - > based on the 2010 rules, would rate highest??? > > i.e. which car would those 5 guys rate as gold? All of them? > Remembering the cars are all 30 days old, so there is no originality > issue (in my theoretical example) > > It's my example, so I get to make the rules! Ok Ron! I didn't say some > were crashed. > > :-) > > Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 05/08/2010, at 10:24 PM, Ron Mitchell wrote: > >> From: Chris Dimmock >> Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 7:22:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours judging >> >> So - still no response to my question from all the concours >> critics ..... >> "which BN1 would have won a concours in around June 1953 - given >> there were 5 entrants - all were original - and all are less than 30 >> days old?" >> And judged by their peers. Judged by their peers? - Beauty is in >> the eye of the beholder. Your description is that of a Popularity >> Car Show. >> >> So - which car would win my theoretical concours????? Your >> Theoretical Concours desribes a Popularity Car Show. In Concours >> judging all five could win Gold or Not. There could possibly be >> damage done to the cars during the first 30 days which would result >> in deductions for condition. There is no intended winner in >> Concours Judging. Cars are judged against standards not each other. >> >> Ron Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 19:42:46 2010 From: "BJ8 Healeys" To: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:14:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] oscillatiing/chattering oil pressure gauge Dave, did you check to see if the hardline nut on the back of the gauge is loose? My gauge started vibrating during my return from Conclave in San Diego. I found the nut loose and tightened it. That fixed the problem. Steve Byers HBJ8L/36666 BJ8 Registry Havelock, NC USA -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Masucci Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:52 PM To: healeys@autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] oscillatiing/chattering oil pressure gauge My BJ8 has always had typical oil pressure and still does. The engine runs great and makes no bad noises. But all of a sudden the oil gauge is oscillating a lot! It will chatter over a 20-30 pound range when the engine is at 2500 RPM or so. Even at idle it's chattering back and forth. I've seen similar things before when there's air in the oil line, but this is a lot worse. The engine seems fine...I hope. What could do this? Can the relief valve do this? Thanks, Dave BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 20:16:08 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: David Masucci Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:39:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] oscillatiing/chattering oil pressure gauge Can only take SWAGs: - oil pressure relief valve - bypass valve in oil filter (have you recently changed the oil and filter?) - something wrong in the oil pump (broken gear/vane) - something in the pump drive (off the cam) - blockage in the pickup tube causing cavitation Before we started our BN2's engine after a rebuild, we spun the engine over on the starter with the plugs out. The oil pressure gauge would pump up to 30psi or so, then drop below 20, then pump up, etc. every couple of seconds. At speed, there's probably some pulsation in the oil pressure but it happens quickly enough--and the air in the oil pressure line probably absorbs the pulses--so you don't see it in normal operation. But, obviously, your problem is worse. bs David Masucci wrote: > My BJ8 has always had typical oil pressure and still does. The engine > runs great and makes no bad noises. But all of a sudden the oil gauge > is oscillating a lot! It will chatter over a 20-30 pound range when > the engine is at 2500 RPM or so. Even at idle it's chattering back and > forth. I've seen similar things before when there's air in the oil > line, but this is a lot worse. > > The engine seems fine...I hope. What could do this? Can the relief > valve do this? > > Thanks, > Dave > > BJ8 > > -- ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 5 23:12:12 2010 From: Editorgary@aol.com To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 00:48:36 EDT Subject: Re: [Healeys] As they were produced... ? In a message dated 8/5/10 6:43:57 PM, healeys-request@autox.team.net writes: > Each owner would theoretically probably call his own the best. However 5 > recent owners wouldn't know enough about their cars to tell whether what > they examined was "right" or not. However, you say based on our 2010 > "rules"? You mean standards of what is expected today? Probably the fellow > who had tweaked the obvious imperfections. > > Rich > Rich is got the right answer: Does anyone remember what the average number of flaws and problems was on any car coming out of an English or American factory in those days? Some got fixed at the end of the line, some got fixed before sale, and a lot only got fixed when the owner returned to the dealer to complain. That's why, when we wrote the standards, we said that the ultimate standard was "as the designers intended them to be built." We were very careful not to say, "as they were built" in the day. So, the owner who got the lucky car produced on Wednesday between morning tea break and lunch when all of the work force was happy, and then had a good dealer to work with to help him fix the things that didn't get fastened in correctly, or were missed, or whatever, that's the one that would score the highest on the concours inspection sheets. Cheers Gary _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 04:42:04 2010 From: Kent McLean To: Healeys Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:17:26 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Bring a Trailer Healeys Posted on Bring a trailer a few days ago, a guy in NH is unloading a collection of 64+ mid-60s to mid-70s cars. The lot includes a bunch of LBCs. From the pictures, I could see the rear seats of a couple of Big Healeys. Reader posting with Healey rear ends: Original article: Craigslist ad: NFI, etc. -- Kent McLean '56 100 BN2 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 06:56:19 2010 From: To: Healeys Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:29:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bring a Trailer Healeys There was a follow up yesterday though, where someone reported "The big engined Austins are all sold and going to a good home, ..." More pics were posted here, by that guy who visited the site.http://www.flickr.com/photos/22865850@N04/sets/72157624528034375/with/48 60521076/ Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen )http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/2009FallTour.jpg > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 06:17:26 -0400 > From: kentmclean@comcast.net > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] Bring a Trailer Healeys > > Posted on Bring a trailer a few days ago, a guy in NH is unloading a > collection of 64+ mid-60s to mid-70s cars. The lot includes a bunch > of LBCs. From the pictures, I could see the rear seats of a couple > of Big Healeys. > > Reader posting with Healey rear ends: > > > Original article: > > > Craigslist ad: > > > NFI, etc. > > -- > Kent McLean > '56 100 BN2 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/robertduquette@sympatico.ca _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 06:57:47 2010 From: bighealey3k@aim.com To: drmasucci@comcast.net, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 08:24:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] oscillatiing/chattering oil pressure gauge Dave, Years ago I had the same thing happen to my '67 BJ8. I was driving in traffic and all of a sudden my oil pressure gauge started to vibrate and the needle oscillated very rapidly and I noticed a drop of oil on my left pant leg. I looked at the back of the gauge and saw a drop of oil hanging on the nut that attached the direct reading oil line to the back of the gauge. I tightened the nut and it did not help. I am the original owner and know the oil pressure line had never been disconnected and guessed there must have been a column of air in the line that was lost due to the loose nut at the back of the gauge. I took the line loose at the engine and gauge and blew out the line and reconnected both ends and the problem cleared up and has never reoccurred since and that was back in '69 or '70. There is a small pin hole in the fitting to the back of the oil pressure gauge that dampens the pressure entering the gauge and I'm guessing the hole can't dampen the oil pump pulses with a column of oil at the back of the gauge. The column of air compresses more easily than the oil does and is dampened by the pin hole. Hope this helps. Larry '67 BJ8 -----Original Message----- From: David Masucci To: healeys@autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 7:51 pm Subject: [Healeys] oscillatiing/chattering oil pressure gauge My BJ8 has always had typical oil pressure and still does. The engine runs great and makes no bad noises. But all of a sudden the oil gauge is oscillating a lot! It will chatter over a 20-30 pound range when the engine is at 2500 RPM or so. Even at idle it's chattering back and forth. I've seen similar things before when there's air in the oil line, but this is a lot worse. The engine seems fine...I hope. What could do this? Can the relief valve do this? Thanks, Dave BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bighealey3k@aim.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 07:14:14 2010 From: Randy Hicks To: Kent McLean Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:53:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bring a Trailer Healeys Healeys were all sold to someone from Connecticut. Anyone on the list? Randy Randy Hicks www.austinhealey100m.com '56 100 M '55 BN1 Dealer Le Mans '62 BN7 MkII '65 BJ8 '53 MGTD Healey100M@gmail.com On Aug 6, 2010, at 6:17 AM, Kent McLean wrote: > Posted on Bring a trailer a few days ago, a guy in NH is unloading a > collection of 64+ mid-60s to mid-70s cars. The lot includes a bunch > of LBCs. From the pictures, I could see the rear seats of a couple > of Big Healeys. > > Reader posting with Healey rear ends: > > > Original article: > > > Craigslist ad: > > > NFI, etc. > > -- > Kent McLean > '56 100 BN2 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey100m@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 09:44:12 2010 From: To: Healeys Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:23:15 +0000 Subject: [Healeys] Speedo angle drives I'm sure this will seem like a stupid question, as I figure I'm the only one who doesn't know the answer, but ... If one were to remove the angle drive from their BN1 gearbox, would that person then find out, in a somewhat rude fashion, if they had oil in their gearbox? Or, in other words, are you supposed to drain the gearbox first? I feel somewhat foolish asking, but I'll feel a lot more foolish finding out the hard way. This is my first time with a car that has an "angle drive" or overdrive. I did check the archives. Lots of mention of removing them; no mention of draining first. I checked the Service Manual and it is only mentioned as part of a complete service, near as I can find. I would normally assume, from the angle drive's location, that the gearbox should be drained, but I seem to have gleaned from discussions here that angle drive lubrication is required, so that leads me to assume that the oil isn't shared. On the other hand, there was a tiny bit of what looked like dirty engine oil on the lower end of the angle drive and the interior floor. ( But, it was thickened up with dust, so it's hard to tell. ) Thanks! Robert Duquette Ottawa ON Canada 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen )http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/2009FallTour.jpg _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 11:01:04 2010 From: "Rich C" To: , "Healeys" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:40:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Speedo angle drives Robert, The angle drive will unscrew from the brass drive sleeve without losing oil from the gearbox. However, the reason the oil is sitting there in the vicinity is because the little oil seal within the brass drive housing is probably shot. This will require removal to get the sleeved drive housing unscrewed to replace the inner seal, and removal of that from the o/d housing will allow gearbox / overdrive oil to come out. Therefore to fix the problem properly, the gearbox and overdrive will need to be drained to be able to remove the speedo drive brass sleeved housing so it in turn can be to be dismantled and the oil seal to be replaced. Follow????? Rich -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:23 AM To: "Healeys" Subject: [Healeys] Speedo angle drives > I'm sure this will seem like a stupid question, as I figure I'm the only > one > who doesn't know the answer, but ... > If one were to remove the angle drive from their BN1 gearbox, would that > person then find out, in a somewhat rude fashion, if they had oil in their > gearbox? > Or, in other words, are you supposed to drain the gearbox first? > I feel somewhat foolish asking, but I'll feel a lot more foolish finding > out > the hard way. This is my first time with a car that has an "angle drive" > or > overdrive. I did check the archives. Lots of mention of removing them; > no > mention of draining first. I checked the Service Manual and it is only > mentioned as part of a complete service, near as I can find. > I would normally assume, from the angle drive's location, that the gearbox > should be drained, but I seem to have gleaned from discussions here that > angle > drive lubrication is required, so that leads me to assume that the oil > isn't > shared. On the other hand, there was a tiny bit of what looked like dirty > engine oil on the lower end of the angle drive and the interior floor. > ( But, > it was thickened up with dust, so it's hard to tell. ) > Thanks! > Robert Duquette > > Ottawa ON Canada > > 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) > > 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) > > 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen > )http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/2009FallTour.jpg > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/richchrysler@quickclic.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 11:27:54 2010 From: To: Healeys Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:09:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Speedo angle drives Thanks, Rich! No, I don't follow completely. I can detach the angle drive and so far, I'm not doing the BP thing. ( aka oil spill ) However, the seal that will prevent the minute oil seepage is internal and to get to that, I will have to drain the oil. So, using the Moss diagram ... http://mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=28883#top #180 is the angledrive and then it shows a circlip #165 and #166 are a bearing assembly and pinion I assume that those are the ones that need to be removed? But, I don't see mention of a seal?Nor do I see the 'spacer' that everyone speaks of, unless the circlip is a spacer. Somehow I doubt that. Robert > From: richchrysler@quickclic.net > > Robert, > > The angle drive will unscrew from the brass drive sleeve without losing oil > from the gearbox. However, the reason the oil is sitting there in the > vicinity is because the little oil seal within the brass drive housing is > probably shot. This will require removal to get the sleeved drive housing > unscrewed to replace the inner seal, and removal of that from the o/d > housing will allow gearbox / overdrive oil to come out. Therefore to fix the > problem properly, the gearbox and overdrive will need to be drained to be > able to remove the speedo drive brass sleeved housing so it in turn can be > to be dismantled and the oil seal to be replaced. > Follow????? > > Rich > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > > > I'm sure this will seem like a stupid question, as I figure I'm the only > > one > > who doesn't know the answer, but ... > > If one were to remove the angle drive from their BN1 gearbox, would that > > person then find out, in a somewhat rude fashion, if they had oil in their > > gearbox? > > Or, in other words, are you supposed to drain the gearbox first? > > I feel somewhat foolish asking, but I'll feel a lot more foolish finding > > out > > the hard way. This is my first time with a car that has an "angle drive" > > or > > overdrive. I did check the archives. Lots of mention of removing them; > > no > > mention of draining first. I checked the Service Manual and it is only > > mentioned as part of a complete service, near as I can find. > > I would normally assume, from the angle drive's location, that the gearbox > > should be drained, but I seem to have gleaned from discussions here that > > angle > > drive lubrication is required, so that leads me to assume that the oil > > isn't > > shared. On the other hand, there was a tiny bit of what looked like dirty > > engine oil on the lower end of the angle drive and the interior floor. > > ( But, > > it was thickened up with dust, so it's hard to tell. ) > > Thanks! > > Robert Duquette > > Ottawa ON Canada > > 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) > > 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) > > 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen) > > http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/2009FallTour.jpg _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 14:29:54 2010 From: Oudesluys To: robertduquette@sympatico.ca Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:01:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Speedo angle drives No need to drain the gearbox. Kees Oudesluijs NL robertduquette@sympatico.ca wrote: > I'm sure this will seem like a stupid question, as I figure I'm the only one > who doesn't know the answer, but ... > If one were to remove the angle drive from their BN1 gearbox, would that > person then find out, in a somewhat rude fashion, if they had oil in their > gearbox? > Or, in other words, are you supposed to drain the gearbox first? > I feel somewhat foolish asking, but I'll feel a lot more foolish finding out > the hard way. This is my first time with a car that has an "angle drive" or > overdrive. I did check the archives. Lots of mention of removing them; no > mention of draining first. I checked the Service Manual and it is only > mentioned as part of a complete service, near as I can find. > I would normally assume, from the angle drive's location, that the gearbox > should be drained, but I seem to have gleaned from discussions here that angle > drive lubrication is required, so that leads me to assume that the oil isn't > shared. On the other hand, there was a tiny bit of what looked like dirty > engine oil on the lower end of the angle drive and the interior floor. ( But, > it was thickened up with dust, so it's hard to tell. ) > Thanks! > Robert Duquette > > Ottawa ON Canada > > 1965 RHD BRG Austin-Healey Sprite ( project ) > > 1967 RHD MG Midget ( aka: Miss Marple ) > > 1955 Austin-Healey 100 BN1 ( aka: Carmen > )http://www3.sympatico.ca/robertduquette/temp/2009FallTour.jpg > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3054 - datum van uitgifte: 08/06/10 09:37:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 14:32:19 2010 From: "Carr&Edwards" To: "Healey List" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:10:23 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Checking out a gearbox Now that we were finally able to expose the gearbox innards, we know that the gears all look good -- no broken or badly chipped teeth (only a very few pinhead-size nicks), and the shaft turns smoothly, with no noise. When we drained the fluid, there were some tiny (pinpoint size) flecks of brass, but no larger pieces. Two questions: 1.) Is there any way, short of installing the box in a car and driving it, to tell whether the synchros are any good? 2.) We can move the shift lever into the 3 forward gears without difficulty, but not into reverse. Is there any trick to doing this when the box is sitting on the bench? Once again, thanks! Sarah Carr BN1 in PA _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 15:00:35 2010 From: "Carr&Edwards" To: "Healey List" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:27:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 gearbox help -- Success Success at last! For those of you who offered suggestions (and anyone else out there who might someday be faced with the sounds-so-simple task of tapping out the pin that holds the shifter socket lever to its shaft), this is what worked: --remove all the bolts holding both the shifter control box body [Moss cat. illus. #40] and the side cover [#36] to the gearbox --let both pivot downward on the shifter cross shaft [#70], exposing the shifter gate [#90]; remove this part --tilt the shaft and remove the entire assembly Once we did that, we rested the shaft on an anvil, with the pin over one of the holes, and gave the pin a smack with a hammer. The pin came right out--probably since the shaft couldn't move and absorb some of the shock of the blow, as it had when it was still on the gearbox. The pin isn't round--I should have realized that from the beginning, since nothing would have stopped it from turning when the nut was tightened! It was machined from a piece of cylindrical stock; threads on 1/3, and a flat machined on the other 2/3, widest/deepest at the base of the threads, and tapering up to nothing at the other end. The shaft has a flat-bottomed groove cut into it, so when the mut on the pin is tightened, the two flat surfaces are drawn progressively tighter together. Some DPO must have cranked the nut up REALLY tight (there were signs that someone had been in there before us). All that to accomplish a simple one-sentence task in the service manual. I wonder how many more "simple" tasks will turn out to be anything but.... Thanks to all, Sarah Carr BN1 in PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Seigrist" To: "Carr&Edwards" ; Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN1 gearbox help > Can you slide the lever off? Maybe the slot in the pin is half moon > shaped? Does the threaded end have part of the pin shaved off as if > the pin is tapered? If not, the pin will have a half moon cut out, > which can't be removed without sliding the lever off... Thinking > outside the box here... _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 15:27:36 2010 From: Oudesluys To: Carr&Edwards Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:55:03 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Checking out a gearbox You will have to take the box apart to be able to examine all parts for wear, i.e. synchro's, bearings, shafts, forks etc. Only then you can establish the condition of the gearbox properly. It sounds like a lot of complicated work, but it is not, really. In general gearboxes are easy to work on providing you have or can make up (wooden) dummy shafts. Make sure you have a proper manual to work from. If you have the facilities you can take the chance to fit the gearbox as is and see how it performs. It is not a terribly big deal to fit and remove the gearbox, the only drawback it being so bloody heavy. Kees Oudesluijs NL Carr&Edwards wrote: > Now that we were finally able to expose the gearbox innards, we know that the > gears all look good -- no broken or badly chipped teeth (only a very few > pinhead-size nicks), and the shaft turns smoothly, with no noise. When we > drained the fluid, there were some tiny (pinpoint size) flecks of brass, but > no larger pieces. > > Two questions: > > 1.) Is there any way, short of installing the box in a car and driving it, to > tell whether the synchros are any good? > > 2.) We can move the shift lever into the 3 forward gears without difficulty, > but not into reverse. Is there any trick to doing this when the box is > sitting on the bench? > > Once again, thanks! > > Sarah Carr > BN1 in PA > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/coudesluijs@chello.nl > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. > Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com > Versie: 9.0.851 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3054 - datum van uitgifte: 08/06/10 09:37:00 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of coudesluijs.vcf] _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 15:57:23 2010 From: john doe To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] bj8 trans need to sell a center shift bj8 trans with about 38,000 miles on it overdrive works fine i'm in rockland co new york looking to get 1000 for it i think still a bargain going to encounter on sat for popular car show can bring there would prefer local pick up because of weight thanks ralph _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 16:23:41 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: Healeys Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, List: I'm removing all of the shocks on my 65BJ8 and sending them out for rebuild. In preparation I doused all of the nuts and bolts with PB-Blaster and let them sit for a day or two. They all came off very easily, except for the aforementioned nut and bolt. This nut and bolt is one of two which hold the shock on a bracket mounted on the chassis. The nut is not captured and faces out. The bolt head is on the side of the bracket away from the shock facing in towards the drive shaft. When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and bolt to spin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. How do I get it off. I'm thinking sawzall. I'm no good with a torch and I've already busted a socket. I have a gizmo which cuts nuts in half, but there's not enough clearance to get it over the nut. Ugh!! Greg 65BJ8 _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 17:17:42 2010 From: Bob Spidell To: Greg Mandas Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:51:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Greg, Can only recommend you heat the nut (just the nut) CAREFULLY--you don't want to melt the shock body--with a propane torch and apply penetrating oil after heating. Repeat several times, then get your best sockets--or vise grips if the bolt or nut is rounded--and try to turn. If you have an impact wrench and can get it in there use that--probably would do the trick. If I understand your description correctly, the nut and bolt are backward from the usual installation (at least I do mine the other way--nut on the 'inside'). bs Greg Mandas wrote: > List: > > I'm removing all of the shocks on my 65BJ8 and sending them out for rebuild. > > In preparation I doused all of the nuts and bolts with PB-Blaster and let them sit for a day or two. They all came off very easily, except for the aforementioned nut and bolt. > > This nut and bolt is one of two which hold the shock on a bracket mounted on the chassis. The nut is not captured and faces out. The bolt head is on the side of the bracket away from the shock facing in towards the drive shaft. > > When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and bolt to spin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. > > How do I get it off. > > I'm thinking sawzall. > > I'm no good with a torch and I've already busted a socket. > > I have a gizmo which cuts nuts in half, but there's not enough clearance to get it over the nut. > > Ugh!! > > Greg > 65BJ8 > > > -- ******************************************************************* Bob Spidell San Jose, CA bspidell@comcast.net ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 17:46:16 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Greg Mandas , Healeys Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:54:47 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Greg - Try jamming a large flathead screwdriver between the nut and shock mounting plate to put forward pressure on the nut & use your socket again to start turning the hut off... doing this it may catch what threads you have and come off. Having a set of extra hands might help here. I've done this a couple times before. Alan On 8/7/10, Greg Mandas wrote: > List: > > I'm removing all of the shocks on my 65BJ8 and sending them out for rebuild. > > > In preparation I doused all of the nuts and bolts with PB-Blaster and let > them sit for a day or two. They all came off very easily, except for the > aforementioned nut and bolt. > > This nut and bolt is one of two which hold the shock on a bracket mounted on > the chassis. The nut is not captured and faces out. The bolt head is on the > side of the bracket away from the shock facing in towards the drive shaft. > > When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and bolt > to spin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. > > How do I get it off. > > I'm thinking sawzall. > > I'm no good with a torch and I've already busted a socket. > > I have a gizmo which cuts nuts in half, but there's not enough clearance to > get it over the nut. > > Ugh!! > > Greg > 65BJ8 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut@gmail.com > -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 18:46:50 2010 From: "Ed Woods" To: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Sticking overdrive List, In the past year or so, I've rebuilt 'A' type overdrives for two friends. Once installed, both transmissions were prone to hang in overdrive due to a sticking clutch. One of them has had the problem for over a year. We tried everything short of replacing the gearbox which was to be my next step. A few days ago, someone on this list reported solving a similar problem by a change from 30 wt oil to Redline MT90. I am happy to report that this fix worked with both of "my" transmissions. Thanks to the Healey guy and the Healey List for their help. I think I'll send the Listmaster a donation! Ed Woods _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 6 20:50:23 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: Greg Mandas Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:06:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, I hope you are sending the shocks to Peter C. at NOS Imports. http://www.nosimport.com/ Mike MacLean 56 BN2 60 AN5 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Greg Mandas wrote: > List: > > I'm removing all of the shocks on my 65BJ8 and sending them out for > rebuild. > > In preparation I doused all of the nuts and bolts with PB-Blaster and let > them sit for a day or two. They all came off very easily, except for the > aforementioned nut and bolt. > > This nut and bolt is one of two which hold the shock on a bracket mounted > on the chassis. The nut is not captured and faces out. The bolt head is on > the side of the bracket away from the shock facing in towards the drive > shaft. > > When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and > bolt to spin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. > > How do I get it off. > > I'm thinking sawzall. > > I'm no good with a torch and I've already busted a socket. > > I have a gizmo which cuts nuts in half, but there's not enough clearance to > get it over the nut. > > Ugh!! > > Greg > 65BJ8 > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rrengineer@dslextreme.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 01:17:45 2010 From: Tadeusz Malkiewicz To: Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:56:10 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Concourse Guidelines Being in the assembly stage of my BN2 I can testify, that the guidelines are probably the best, up-to-date publication available for Healey restoration. I have taken a look at some other guidelines (like ones for an e-type) and they do not even come close to the wonderful and incredible job You have done. My only wish to the guidelines would be to make them even more detailed and with more photos - I would molest Rich (whose help is pure gold) to a much lesser extent if that be the case.. :-) BTW, when is the new edition coming??.. Tadek _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 03:21:25 2010 From: Tadeusz Malkiewicz To: 'Bernard' , Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 10:51:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concourse Guidelines Hello Bernard, For Guidelines ordering and pricing information contact Mike Osipik email: mikeosipik (aat) earthlink.net Best, Tadek -----Original Message----- From: Bernard [mailto:bernard.cristalli@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:45 AM To: Tadeusz Malkiewicz; Healey List Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concourse Guidelines Tadek, I may have missed something, BT7L244 will soon have a resto, where did you get these guidelines? Bernard BT7 E-Type XK 120 ... Tadeusz Malkiewicz a icrit : > Being in the assembly stage of my BN2 I can testify, that the guidelines are > probably the best, up-to-date publication available for Healey restoration. > I have taken a look at some other guidelines (like ones for an e-type) and > they do not even come close to the wonderful and incredible job You have > done. > My only wish to the guidelines would be to make them even more detailed and > with more photos - I would molest Rich (whose help is pure gold) to a much > lesser extent if that be the case.. :-) > > BTW, when is the new edition coming??.. > > > Tadek > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/jagxk120@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 07:30:55 2010 From: "warthodson@aol.com" To: gmandas@yahoo.com, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 09:03:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Greg, If you are saying that you have a socket on both the bolt head & the nut and they spin freely but don't tighten or loosen, then obviously the threads are stripped. As you undoubtedly know by now there is not a lot of room to work in that area. A Sawsall might be hard to control without damaging the shock body. You might have better luck with a mini hack saw. http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290073 Gary Hodson When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and bolt to pin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. ck _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 07:32:52 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 09:09:49 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] Top Replacement Probs. Again When is a muffler connected to a top install? When the idiot installer doesn't tell you to watch your muffler on his high threshold entry into his shop. CRUNCH! Great way to begin a customer relationship, IDIOT. Man was I pissed. And the threshold looked like a battle ground from years of previous wipe outs. He told me to just pull in the first stall and no warning mentioned, what was he thinkin. Anyway, now that that is off my chest until I can take a good look at the damage, here is my real issue if your still with me. First off, why do the "front top hold down latches" release UPWARD into the top. How does that not tear into the top, why didn't the factory install them releasing downward.? What were they thinking, or am I missing something here? And here is a parts quality question. After the top installer had the bow for my 1960 BT7 attached on the top of the windshield (top not installed yet) he showed me how much the release latches stuck out above the wooden bow. So once the top is installed he could see how serious wear would take place on the top from the latches. We tried my original latches and my new latches and they both looked the same way, too high. It seems that the counter sunk holes in the Moss header bow are not in the perfect location? Has this been an issue for anyone else and what is the fix? Unfortunately I don't have any remains of my original top stuff or I would bother you guys with this. I will return to the shop after I gather this info and he lowers his damn threshold. Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 08:19:48 2010 From: Greg Mandas To: Team Healey List Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Friends, >From Mike: "I hope you are sending the shocks to Peter C. at NOS Imports. http://www.nosimport.com/" The thing about this list is you all care so much. It's as if you all are my car's guardian angels. Greg 65BJ8 Sent from my iPhone so please excuse typos and brevity. _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 08:51:15 2010 From: "Ron Ray" To: "'Mark LaPierre'" , Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:55:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Top Replacement Probs. Again Mark, Sorry to be the one to tell you, but as the car owner, you are responsible for always checking ground clearances everywhere you drive. Regarding your top, our 1959 BT7 does not have any problems with the latches touching the top after everything is installed and connected. I either purchased the wooden headrail from AH Spares or Moss. Regarding the latches, release all the snaps at the back of the top first. Then push up on the underside of the top near the windscreen latches and the handles will not damage the top while taking off the top. When installing the top, secure the latches first, then the rear snaps Ron -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark LaPierre Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:10 AM To: healeys@Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Healeys] Top Replacement Probs. Again When is a muffler connected to a top install? When the idiot installer doesn't tell you to watch your muffler on his high threshold entry into his shop. CRUNCH! Great way to begin a customer relationship, IDIOT. Man was I pissed. And the threshold looked like a battle ground from years of previous wipe outs. He told me to just pull in the first stall and no warning mentioned, what was he thinkin. Anyway, now that that is off my chest until I can take a good look at the damage, here is my real issue if your still with me. First off, why do the "front top hold down latches" release UPWARD into the top. How does that not tear into the top, why didn't the factory install them releasing downward.? What were they thinking, or am I missing something here? And here is a parts quality question. After the top installer had the bow for my 1960 BT7 attached on the top of the windshield (top not installed yet) he showed me how much the release latches stuck out above the wooden bow. So once the top is installed he could see how serious wear would take place on the top from the latches. We tried my original latches and my new latches and they both looked the same way, too high. It seems that the counter sunk holes in the Moss header bow are not in the perfect location? Has this been an issue for anyone else and what is the fix? Unfortunately I don't have any remains of my original top stuff or I would bother you guys with this. I will return to the shop after I gather this info and he lowers his damn threshold. Mark _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 09:48:57 2010 From: Derek Job To: Forum Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 16:58:22 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] Good Photo of Sebring 3000s Somebody was recently asking where they could find a good photo of the Sebring cars. In the colour photo section of the book Big Healeys in Competition by John Baggott there is a nice colour pic of 54 FAC and 56 FAC pictured in 1963 , both of which look very Healey Blue in case anyone was quering the colour. As I mentioned 54 FAC has just been restored but has a non-metallic air force blue paint job which the new owner apparantly says he based on period photos and history whereas all references to these cars infer they were Healey Blue. Derek _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 09:49:49 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: "john doe" , Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 11:01:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] bj8 trans Hey, Hey a major break through. John Does' first name is Ralph. Or was that meant to be a curve in the puzzle. The plot thickens. ; ) M. Doe ----- Original Message ----- From: "john doe" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: [Healeys] bj8 trans > need to sell a center shift bj8 trans with about 38,000 miles on it > overdrive works fine i'm in rockland co new york looking to get 1000 for > it i think still a bargain going to encounter on sat for popular car show > can bring there would prefer local pick up because of weight thanks ralph > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 10:18:44 2010 From: fietts02@aol.com To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 11:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Healeys] non- Healey I have 2 factory TR6 hardtops for sale if interested please contact off list. Ken _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 10:32:45 2010 From: bighealey3k@aim.com To: gmandas@yahoo.com, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 11:52:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Greg, I don't know if it is too late, but if I under stand you correctly, the nut and bolt turn in relation to each other with out loosening or tightening. It sounds like the threads are stripped on the nut or bolt or both. Wedge some thing between the shock body and shock mount next to the bolt and turn the nut and bolt in the loosening direction to force the nut and bolt to engage useable threads in order to get them apart. A common screw driver(s) of suitable thickness comes to mind and keep wedging the screw driver(s) till the nut and bolt engagement takes hold enough to continue coming apart. Larry '67 BJ8 -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mandas To: Healeys Sent: Fri, Aug 6, 2010 5:37 pm Subject: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Furthest Rear Mounting Nut and Bolt List: I'm removing all of the shocks on my 65BJ8 and sending them out for rebuild. In preparation I doused all of the nuts and bolts with PB-Blaster and let them it for a day or two. They all came off very easily, except for the forementioned nut and bolt. This nut and bolt is one of two which hold the shock on a bracket mounted on the hassis. The nut is not captured and faces out. The bolt head is on the side of he bracket away from the shock facing in towards the drive shaft. When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and bolt to pin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. How do I get it off. I'm thinking sawzall. I'm no good with a torch and I've already busted a socket. I have a gizmo which cuts nuts in half, but there's not enough clearance to get t over the nut. Ugh!! Greg 5BJ8 ______________________________________________ ealeys@autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $12.75 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bighealey3k@aim.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 10:35:19 2010 From: bighealey3k@aim.com To: lapierrem@sbcglobal.net, rccpl1@yahoo.com, healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 11:59:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] bj8 trans I'm still waiting to be issued my Decoder Ring for these cryptic messages. :-) LOL Larry '67 BJ8 -----Original Message----- From: Mark LaPierre To: john doe ; healeys@autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:01 am Subject: Re: [Healeys] bj8 trans Hey, Hey a major break through. John Does' first name is Ralph. Or was that meant to be a curve in the puzzle. The plot thickens. ; ) M. Doe ----- Original Message ----- From: "john doe" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: [Healeys] bj8 trans > need to sell a center shift bj8 trans with about 38,000 miles on it > overdrive works fine i'm in rockland co new york looking to get 1000 for > it i think still a bargain going to encounter on sat for popular car show > can bring there would prefer local pick up because of weight thanks ralph > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/bighealey3k@aim.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 11:49:11 2010 From: F Ronald Rader To: Healey List Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:13:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] bj8 trans i have an OD to go with it. $700 ron rader los angeles On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Mark LaPierre wrote: > Hey, Hey a major break through. John Does' first name is Ralph. Or was > that meant > to be a curve in the puzzle. > > The plot thickens. ; ) > > M. Doe > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john doe" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:10 PM > Subject: [Healeys] bj8 trans > > > need to sell a center shift bj8 trans with about 38,000 miles on it >> overdrive works fine i'm in rockland co new york looking to get 1000 for it >> i think still a bargain going to encounter on sat for popular car show can >> bring there would prefer local pick up because of weight thanks ralph >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/f.ronald.rader@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 11:51:53 2010 From: S and T Miller To: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:19:28 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] ABC movie Sunday night Watch ABC Sunday night. "Wild child" movie has a BRG Bugeye sprite in it. I think 8 or 9 o'clock. The Millers "British Car Nuts" 1957 Austin Healey 100-6 BN4 35299 1959 Austin Healey 100-6 BN4 77219 1964 MGB 40841 1960 Austin Healey Bugeye Sprite AN5 34351 "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test drive." _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 12:23:42 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: Greg Mandas Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:35:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Greg Mandas wrote: > Friends, > > >From Mike: > "I hope you are sending the shocks to Peter C. at NOS Imports. > http://www.nosimport.com/" > > > The thing about this list is you all care so much. It's as if you all are > my car's guardian angels. > > Greg > 65BJ8 > > > Yes we are, so you better listen to us. Collectively, we probably know a thing or two. Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 12:28:24 2010 From: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" To: Austin Healey Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:47:52 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] Healey Sighting On my way back from Los Angeles from work this morning at 9 AM. Saw a Black 3000 at juncture of the 57 and the 10 freeways. Anyone on the list? The car looked good. Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 13:40:19 2010 From: Tadeusz Malkiewicz To: Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 21:03:03 +0200 Subject: [Healeys] nut type for Smiths heater assembly for BN2 Hello, Anyone knows what is the thread type on the heater motor studs? It's definitely not UNF/UNC.. I lost 2 nuts :-( Best, Tadek _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 14:07:39 2010 From: Greg's Yahoo To: "warthodson@aol.com" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Gary, et. al. Sorry for the confusion. The nut moved enough to loosen the pressure on the shock, but it froze on the bolt. Frozen together, the nut and bolt spun freely in relationship to the shock. Thanks for all the feedback, everyone. We have success. First, all the feedback put me at ease; Sacrifice the bolt and be careful in there. The winning suggestion was, drum roll please, from Ed, " Try a Dremel tool". As I was putting the dermal together I saw the little ball grinder and I had a thought. Since the nut moved only a tiny bit before freezing on the bolt, I figured something was lodged in the first thread. I took the ball grinder, dentist style, and ran it around the threads where the nut and bolt meet. After that, a little WD40 and 30 seconds with the impact wrench and off it came, begrudgingly. Thanks all. And yes. They are on their way to Peter. Greg 65BJ8 Sent from my Wife's iPad On Aug 7, 2010, at 9:03 AM, "warthodson@aol.com" wrote: Greg, If you are saying that you have a socket on both the bolt head & the nut and they spin freely but don't tighten or loosen, then obviously the threads are stripped. As you undoubtedly know by now there is not a lot of room to work in that area. A Sawsall might be hard to control without damaging the shock body. You might have better luck with a mini hack saw. http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290073 Gary Hodson When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and bolt to spin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. ck _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 14:35:11 2010 From: To: , Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 21:45:15 +0200 Subject: Re: [Healeys] nut type for Smiths heater assembly for BN2 Hello Tadek, I assume its BSF like engine threads. Josef Eckert KOnigswinter/Germany -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tadeusz Malkiewicz Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2010 21:03 An: Healeys@autox.team.net Betreff: [Healeys] nut type for Smiths heater assembly for BN2 Hello, Anyone knows what is the thread type on the heater motor studs? It's definitely not UNF/UNC.. I lost 2 nuts :-( _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 16:04:30 2010 From: Alan Bromfield To: Healey Mail List Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:09:53 +0100 Subject: [Healeys] BN4 Windscreen fitting Thanks Team for the answers received and guidance provided on this topic. The response that captured the dilemma perfectly came from Andrea Villa in Italy (Mille grazie Andrea) in which she gave me a link to the Linwood Rose restoration blog. http://tinyurl.com/34bwhy6 At Week 57 Lin says "........consulting with the experts resulted in at least three ways to do this job: under the pad, between the pad and the post, and cut off flush with the pad.". So I figured it was time to work it out for myself. I had already tried the method of trimming the rubber close to the pillar which I guess is Lin's option 3. That left an obvious butt joint to the pillar which would need mastic to seal it. So I removed the screen and scrapped the rubber seal, which was covered in mastic and cut too short, ready to try again. That prompted my first query to the forum for advice. I have spent the day sorting it out and come up with a solution that is much more satisfactory than my first attempt and looks pretty good. I have documented the approach with pictures on the forum at: http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=72 My next question to the list on this subject however - Is this how it should look? Does anyone have a BN4 through BT7 with original screen fitment that can comment on whether I've got it right? Many thanks....... -- _________________________________________ (______________ Alan Bromfield_______________) (_______\____1957-BN4____/________) (__tinyurl.com/bluehealey _) _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 16:05:44 2010 From: "Mark LaPierre" To: "Greg's Yahoo" , Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 17:27:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, If you want Your shocks rebuilt and returned to you , put a letter in the box stating just that or you may get back some pretty dinged up units. But they all seem to work regardless. Happy Healeying, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg's Yahoo" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Healeys] 65BJ8 -- Driver's Side Rear Shock, Furthest Rear Mounting Nut and Bolt > Gary, et. al. > > Sorry for the confusion. The nut moved enough to loosen the pressure on > the shock, but it froze on the bolt. Frozen together, the nut and bolt > spun freely in relationship to the shock. > > Thanks for all the feedback, everyone. > > We have success. > > First, all the feedback put me at ease; Sacrifice the bolt and be careful > in there. > > The winning suggestion was, drum roll please, from Ed, " Try a Dremel > tool". As I was putting the dermal together I saw the little ball grinder > and I had a thought. Since the nut moved only a tiny bit before freezing > on the bolt, I figured something was lodged in the first thread. I took > the ball grinder, dentist style, and ran it around the threads where the > nut and bolt meet. After that, a little WD40 and 30 seconds with the > impact wrench and off it came, begrudgingly. > > Thanks all. > > And yes. They are on their way to Peter. > > Greg > 65BJ8 > > Sent from my Wife's iPad > > On Aug 7, 2010, at 9:03 AM, "warthodson@aol.com" > wrote: > > Greg, > If you are saying that you have a socket on both the bolt head & the nut > and they spin freely but don't tighten or loosen, then obviously the > threads are stripped. > As you undoubtedly know by now there is not a lot of room to work in that > area. A Sawsall might be hard to control without damaging the shock body. > You might have better luck with a mini hack saw. > http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1290073 > Gary Hodson > > > When I put the sockets on it, it moved just enough to allow the nut and > bolt to > spin freely, but not loosen any more. I can't tighten it, either. > > > > ck > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/lapierrem@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 16:34:25 2010 From: Olin Brimberry To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap Does anyone have an extra set of 2 of these washers. I took my tank out and when putting the straps back on, I misplaced the washers. These are the 2 that are D shaped so that it will fit against the flange to the rear shoud. Thanks, Olin Brimberry Raleigh, NC _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 16:34:59 2010 From: "John & Kerry Rowe" To: "'Austin Healey list'" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 08:07:04 +1000 Subject: [Healeys] FW: Top Replacement Probs. Again Mark Remove the latches completely until after the hood is completely fitted. The aluminium trim will hold the header rail in position to enable finishing Then from inside screw the fittings into the correct position in a locked down position, You shouldn't have any more problems After that follow the instructions from Ron Ray John Rowe Qld Australia BN1 BT7 When is a muffler connected to a top install? When the idiot installer doesn't tell you to watch your muffler on his high threshold entry into his shop. CRUNCH! Great way to begin a customer relationship, IDIOT. Man was I pissed. And the threshold looked like a battle ground from years of previous wipe outs. He told me to just pull in the first stall and no warning mentioned, what was he thinkin. Anyway, now that that is off my chest until I can take a good look at the damage, here is my real issue if your still with me. First off, why do the "front top hold down latches" release UPWARD into the top. How does that not tear into the top, why didn't the factory install them releasing downward.? What were they thinking, or am I missing something here? And here is a parts quality question. After the top installer had the bow for my 1960 BT7 attached on the top of the windshield (top not installed yet) he showed me how much the release latches stuck out above the wooden bow. So once the top is installed he could see how serious wear would take place on the top from the latches. We tried my original latches and my new latches and they both looked the same way, too high. It seems that the counter sunk holes in the Moss header bow are not in the perfect location? Has this been an issue for anyone else and what is the fix? Unfortunately I don't have any remains of my original top stuff or I would bother you guys with this. I will return to the shop after I gather this info and he lowers his damn threshold. Mark _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 17:33:15 2010 From: Olin Brimberry To: "Dallas Congleton" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:45:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap Thanks Dallas. I was thinking I would need a press to clip the edge. I have tin snips - will that get it? I assume these are 1/16" thickness or so. Olin On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Dallas Congleton wrote: > Olin, if you don't find them, make your own. Get some 5/16 fender > washers ( available in the bins at Lowes), and trim one side with > metal snips. > Dallas Congleton > Little Washington NC > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olin Brimberry" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 6:01 PM > Subject: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap > > >> Does anyone have an extra set of 2 of these washers. I took my >> tank out and when putting the straps back on, I misplaced the >> washers. These are the 2 that are D shaped so that it will fit >> against the flange to the rear shoud. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Olin Brimberry >> Raleigh, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> Healeys@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dcongleton@embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 18:03:22 2010 From: Linwood H Rose To: Alan Bromfield Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:16:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [Healeys] BN4 Windscreen fitting Alan, I think your work looks great. I think trimming the seal so that it is narrower between the post and the pad was a great idea. Of course, the test is - does it leak. If it is water tight, then you are the man! Congratulations. Lin Rose On Aug 7, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Alan Bromfield wrote: > Thanks Team for the answers received and guidance provided on this topic. > > The response that captured the dilemma perfectly came from Andrea > Villa in Italy (Mille grazie Andrea) in which she gave me a link to > the Linwood Rose restoration blog. > http://tinyurl.com/34bwhy6 > At Week 57 Lin says "........consulting with the experts resulted in > at least three ways to do this job: under the pad, between the pad and > the post, and cut off flush with the pad.". > So I figured it was time to work it out for myself. I had already > tried the method of trimming the rubber close to the pillar which I > guess is Lin's option 3. That left an obvious butt joint to the pillar > which would need mastic to seal it. So I removed the screen and > scrapped the rubber seal, which was covered in mastic and cut too > short, ready to try again. That prompted my first query to the forum > for advice. > > I have spent the day sorting it out and come up with a solution that > is much more satisfactory than my first attempt and looks pretty good. > I have documented the approach with pictures on the forum at: > http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=72 > > My next question to the list on this subject however - Is this how it > should look? > > Does anyone have a BN4 through BT7 with original screen fitment that > can comment on whether I've got it right? > > Many thanks....... > -- > _________________________________________ > (______________ Alan Bromfield_______________) > (_______\____1957-BN4____/________) > (__tinyurl.com/bluehealey _) > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/linwoodrose@mac.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 18:05:38 2010 From: "Fred Crowley" To: "Healey List" Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:31:44 -0500 Subject: [Healeys] Coronada Speed festival in September I was able to con HMSA (set them an application) into letting me run my good ol' Team Healey Texas Healey 3000 this year at Coronado as part of the Navy Fleet week program. Anybody on the list planning to be there (spectator or racing)? If so, maybe we could paddock together, or at a minimum get together and swap lies. If anyone has any experience running Coronado, I'd sure like any insight. Never run there before. All of the tracks I have run have been in the mid-west or eastern US/Canada. Defn: Experience - means one has messed up a lot. I have lots of experience! Cheers, Fred Crowley Team Healey Texas www.teamhealeytexas.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 18:05:59 2010 From: "Ron Fine" To: "rrengineer @dslextreme.com" , "Austin Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 16:35:11 -0700 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healey Sighting There was a group of 12 Healeys from the Austin Healey Association of Southern California that met up for a drive up to Mt. Baldy. Its possible you saw one of our cars on that freeway heading to the meeting spot. There was at least one black Healey and maybe more than one. We had a great drive up the mountain and then we made a stop at Kurt Tanner's shop and got a short tour. A nice day. Ron Fine > On my way back from Los Angeles from work this morning at 9 AM. Saw a > Black > 3000 at juncture of the 57 and the 10 freeways. Anyone on the list? The > car looked good. > Mike MacLean _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 18:33:01 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Olin Brimberry , Dallas Congleton Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 07:37:23 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap Olin - You can also use a grinder or small bolt cutters, or both. Alan On 8/8/10, Olin Brimberry wrote: > Thanks Dallas. I was thinking I would need a press to clip the edge. > I have tin snips - will that get it? I assume these are 1/16" > thickness or so. > > Olin > On Aug 7, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Dallas Congleton wrote: > >> Olin, if you don't find them, make your own. Get some 5/16 fender >> washers ( available in the bins at Lowes), and trim one side with >> metal snips. >> Dallas Congleton >> Little Washington NC >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olin Brimberry" > >> > >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 6:01 PM >> Subject: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap >> >> >>> Does anyone have an extra set of 2 of these washers. I took my >>> tank out and when putting the straps back on, I misplaced the >>> washers. These are the 2 that are D shaped so that it will fit >>> against the flange to the rear shoud. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Olin Brimberry >>> Raleigh, NC >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Healeys@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.75 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/dcongleton@embarqmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut@gmail.com > -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 18:35:07 2010 From: "Ron Ray" To: "'Olin Brimberry'" , Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:50:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap Olin, I bought metal washers with rubber seals laminated to one side at a local hardware store and simply trimmed them to achieve the fit. My hope is that the rubber aspect will seal out water, but I know this may be overkill considering the location of the holes through the bodywork. Ron -----Original Message----- From: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Olin Brimberry Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:01 PM To: healeys@autox.team.net Subject: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap Does anyone have an extra set of 2 of these washers. I took my tank out and when putting the straps back on, I misplaced the washers. These are the 2 that are D shaped so that it will fit against the flange to the rear shoud. Thanks, Olin Brimberry Raleigh, NC _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 19:03:19 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: Tadeusz Malkiewicz , Healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 08:29:10 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] nut type for Smiths heater assembly for BN2 Tadek - Smiths equip will use BSF. If the diameter is the same, use the BSF nuts I sent you with the H6 LM kit manifold. Let me know the shaft diameter and/or the part no. and I'll send you a couple extra BSF nuts.. I have lots! Alan On 8/8/10, Tadeusz Malkiewicz wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone knows what is the thread type on the heater motor studs? It's > definitely not UNF/UNC.. > > I lost 2 nuts :-( > > Best, Tadek > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/healey.nut@gmail.com > -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 7 21:02:10 2010 From: Jean Caron To: , Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:26:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging Way to go John, I think this is a very valid point to build a car to the level it was when new and enjoy the driving in a way it was meant to be back then. Another point too, is that if and when you sell a car that is restored as per the Concours guidelines and at some point on a long drive away from home, something breaks down, you can look up the parts suppliers and get a part that is in the books, not some obscure parts that no one can figure out where or from what brand of car it came from. Believe me when you are on a road trip, you want to make sure you order the right part to get you going again. Jean Caron > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:14:51 -0400 > From: javrugtman@htcnet.org > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Healeys] concours judging > > One point regarding concours level restorations, is that after you > restore a car completely to a gold or silver level, it becomes a > reliable and fun to drive car. Ours, restored to gold level in 1995, > driven to the event in Canada from Virginia, has been a very reliable > driver, with minimal attention, other than standard maintainence. Just > drove it Monday on a 150 mile trip without a moments hesitation. > > John > 66BJ8 > 64BJ8 > 74 Commando > > On 8/5/2010 2:58 PM, Dan Stromquist wrote: > > Rich& Curt: > > I am truly amazed by the amount of effort and time the whole concours group > > has put into this without compensation. We all share your love for these > > cars and all applaud your group for efforts in preserving the originally. I > > personally have read most of the guidelines multiple times and they are a > > major accomplishment that will endure forever (very fairly priced at $20 so > > everyone should have a copy as a reference). > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Healeys@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.75 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/vintage_roadster_restoration@ho tmail.com _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 8 00:33:19 2010 From: john spaur To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:43:38 -0700 Subject: [Healeys] gas tank straps I checked the archives and found one obscure reference to black gas tank straps. Are straps painted black for a '62 BT7? TIA John _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 8 09:05:48 2010 From: Olin Brimberry To: healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 10:39:19 -0400 Subject: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap Got lots of great responses and I had an offer from Bob to send me a pair, which I thought was kind of him since he has never met me. To summarize the responses, just get some fender washers and cut them either with metal shears or h. Some suggested success with a bench grinder also. Thank you list members! Olin > -------Original Message------- > From: Olin Brimberry > To: healeys@autox.team.net > Subject: [Healeys] "D" shaped washers for the fuel tank strap > Sent: Aug 07 '10 22:01 > > Does anyone have an extra set of 2 of these washers. I took my tank > out and when putting the straps back on, I misplaced the washers. > These are the 2 that are D shaped so that it will fit against the > flange to the rear shoud. > > Thanks, > > Olin Brimberry > Raleigh, NC _______________________________________________ Healeys@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums From healeys-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 8 09:35:12 2010 From: Alan Seigrist To: john spaur , healeys@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:52:33 +0800 Subject: Re: [Healeys] gas tank straps According to the concours guidelines they are painted gloss black for all healeys. Alan On 8/8/10, john spaur wrote: > I checked the archives and found one obscure reference to black gas > tank straps. > > Are straps painted black for a '62 BT7? > > TIA > John > _