Subject: Re: [Healeys] Anyone know either one of these guys?

From: "BJ8Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 08:53:23 -0500

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Didn't we hear on the list several weeks ago of this same thing =
happening?  The prospective buyer represented himself as an individual =
who was interested in buying a Healey for his own use, but actually was =
working for a dealer and trying to beat the bushes for cars to buy for =
resale.

=20

I had a phone conversation recently with a BJ8 owner who had decided to =
sell his car,  but only to someone who would appreciate and enjoy the =
car as he had done.  Shortly after selling to an individual who he =
thought met his requirements, he learned that the buyer was only a =
flipper and the car was on eBay within a few days of the sale.

=20

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC  USA=20

=20

=20

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Tim =
Davis BN7
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 8:16 AM
To: Don Anglesey
Cc: healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Anyone know either one of these guys?

=20

I think this is a scam, I have been contacted by email and phone with =
the same story at least 3 times over last 6 months.

Tim Davis BN7

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Anglesey" <[email-masked]>
To: "Michael Brouillette" <[email-masked]>, "healeys" =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 5:31:06 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Anyone know either one of these guys?

Same here, got same message from a Paul and that Durham recommend he =
contact me as well.  I sent him some info on some Healey's for sale and =
heard nothing back.  Must be someone phishing for some cheap Healey's.
Don
57' BN4=20

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D'>Didn't we hear on the list several weeks ago of this same thing =
happening?=C2=A0 The prospective buyer represented himself as an =
individual who was interested in buying a Healey for his own use, but =
actually was working for a dealer and trying to beat the bushes for cars =
to buy for resale.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I had a phone conversation recently with a BJ8 owner who had decided =
to sell his car,=C2=A0 but only to someone who would appreciate and =
enjoy the car as he had done.=C2=A0 Shortly after selling to an =
individual who he thought met his requirements, he learned that the =
buyer was only a flipper and the car was on eBay within a few days of =
the sale.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BJ8 Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>AHCA Delegate at Large<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>Havelock, NC=C2=A0 USA <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim =
Davis BN7<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 06, 2015 8:16 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Don Anglesey<br><b>Cc:</b> healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Healeys] Anyone know either one of these =
guys?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>I think this is a scam, I have been contacted by =
email and phone with the same story at least 3 times over last 6 =
months.<br><br>Tim Davis BN7<br><br>----- Original Message =
-----<br>From: &quot;Don Anglesey&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: =
&quot;Michael Brouillette&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;, &quot;healeys&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 5:31:06 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada =
Central<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Anyone know either one of these =
guys?<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'>Same here, =
got same message from a Paul and that Durham recommend he contact me as =
well.&nbsp; I sent him some info on some Healey's for sale and heard =
nothing back.&nbsp; Must be someone phishing for some cheap =
Healey's.<br>Don<br>57' BN4 =
<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC)

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This is a recurring theme. My father sold a '40 Ford pickup he had lovingly=
 restored to original--having hot-rodded it out in his youth--to a guy who =
all but swore he would cherish it for himself. The guy turned around and so=
ld the truck almost immediately for a tidy profit. Another time, Dad sold a=
 '46 Ford coupe (sedan?) to a guy who said he was going to restore it. A co=
uple years later the guy had the audacity to bring the car by to show it of=
f; he had hot-rodded it and painted it yellow (not Primrose ;). Made Dad al=
most sick. These happened years ago; with the popularity of shows like 'Fas=
t and Loud,' 'Car Chasers,' etc. it seems more and more people will be into=
 the 'flipping' business. It's a legitimate business (though you have to wo=
nder with all the 'cash' changing hands if taxes are being paid). But, it k=
ind of rankles me because even though most of them are car-savvy all they c=
an see is a pile of money on four wheels.=20

OTOH, Dad sold a cherry '34 Ford coupe he had restored to a guy who put the=
 finishing touches on the resto and made it a show-winner. But, I won't be =
surprised if, sooner or later, the car ends up with a Chip Foose wannabe wh=
o rods it out.=20

Moral of the story: If you have a car to sell, sell it to the highest bidde=
r. The guy who claims to want an Austin-Healey because his dad/grandfather/=
uncle had one might be lying (there's some awfully good liars out there).=
=20

Bob=20

----- Original Message -----

Didn't we hear on the list several weeks ago of this same thing happening? =
The prospective buyer represented himself as an individual who was interest=
ed in buying a Healey for his own use, but actually was working for a deale=
r and trying to beat the bushes for cars to buy for resale.=20

I had a phone conversation recently with a BJ8 owner who had decided to sel=
l his car, but only to someone who would appreciate and enjoy the car as he=
 had done. Shortly after selling to an individual who he thought met his re=
quirements, he learned that the buyer was only a flipper and the car was on=
 eBay within a few days of the sale.=20

Steve Byers=20

HBJ8L/36666=20

BJ8 Registry=20

AHCA Delegate at Large=20

Havelock, NC USA=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div>This is a recurring theme.&nbsp; My father sold a '40 Ford pickup =
he had lovingly restored to original--having hot-rodded it out in his youth=
--to a guy who all but swore he would cherish it for himself.&nbsp; The guy=
 turned around and sold the truck almost immediately for a tidy profit.&nbs=
p; Another time, Dad sold a '46 Ford coupe (sedan?) to a guy who said he wa=
s going to restore it.&nbsp; A couple years later the guy had the audacity =
to bring the car by to show it off; he had hot-rodded it and painted it yel=
low (not Primrose ;).&nbsp; Made Dad almost sick.&nbsp; These happened year=
s ago; with the popularity of shows like 'Fast and Loud,' 'Car Chasers,' et=
c. it seems more and more people will be into the 'flipping' business.&nbsp=
; It's a legitimate business (though you have to wonder with all the 'cash'=
 changing hands if taxes are being paid).&nbsp; But, it kind of rankles me =
because even though most of them are car-savvy all they can see is a pile o=
f money on four wheels.<br></div><div><br></div><div>OTOH, Dad sold a cherr=
y '34 Ford coupe he had restored to a guy who put the finishing touches on =
the resto and made it a show-winner.&nbsp; But, I won't be surprised if, so=
oner or later, the car ends up with a Chip Foose wannabe who rods it out.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Moral of the story: If you have a car to sell, sell=
 it to the highest bidder.&nbsp; The guy who claims to want an Austin-Heale=
y because his dad/grandfather/uncle had one might be lying (there's some aw=
fully good liars out there).</div><div><br></div><div>Bob<br></div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight=
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;color:#1F497D">Didn't we hear on the list several weeks ago of this same t=
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idual who was interested in buying a Healey for his own use, but actually w=
as working for a dealer and trying to beat the bushes for cars to buy for r=
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span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I had a phone co=
nversation recently with a BJ8 owner who had decided to sell his car,&nbsp;=
 but only to someone who would appreciate and enjoy the car as he had done.=
&nbsp; Shortly after selling to an individual who he thought met his requir=
ements, he learned that the buyer was only a flipper and the car was on eBa=
y within a few days of the sale.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
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11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D=
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 16:14:46 +0000 (UTC)

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I should add that sometimes the buyer's story is true. My father always disliked 'foreign' cars, having owned, worked on and driven nothing but American brands since his youth. However, he changed his tune after we rebuilt the engine on my BJ8 and he offered to 'break in the engine for me'--he ended up putting 600 miles on the car over a weekend. Dad always keeps an eye on the local want-ads for interesting mechanical stuff and a while later he called to say 'there's a 1956 Austin-Healey for sale in Turlock (California) for $12,500' (this was many years ago). I didn't know much about the early cars at that time and, thinking it was an early 6-cyl car said if it's in good shape it's probably worth that. Dad said he'd go have a look. 

Dad called the next day to say he'd bought the car. He said there was another potential buyer sniffing around; it sounded like the guy was 'bird-dogging' for a buyer in the Bay Area, possibly for a dealer/broker or well-heeled collector (but it seems most 'collectors' want to buy the end product of other people's work). Anyway, Dad and the seller (his name was Jess) hit if off and Jess didn't like the 'scout,' and when Dad mentioned it was his son that was really into these cars Jess said 'well, if it's it for your son you can have it for $10,000.' The deal was made and Jess--who was a wealthy contractor/businessman--had one of his workers deliver the car to us on a flatbed the next day. Jess and Dad remained good friends until Jess died a few years ago; unfortunately before I had a chance to meet him. 

The car? Well, it was a 4-cylinder car, one of those funky ones with louvers in the hood with a leather strap across it. Jess had a Nash-Healey that Dad considered buying but it was the later model--not the Panelcraft one--with the headlights in the grille and Dad didn't care for the look. Truth be told, I wish we'd bought it, pickled it and thrown a cover over it (same with the Ercoupe he had hanging from his shop's ceiling). 

Bob 

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hing but American brands since his youth.&nbsp; However, he changed his tun=
e after we rebuilt the engine on my BJ8 and he offered to 'break in the eng=
ine for me'--he ended up putting 600 miles on the car over a weekend.&nbsp;=
 Dad always keeps an eye on the local want-ads for interesting mechanical s=
tuff and a while later he called to say 'there's a 1956 Austin-Healey for s=
ale in Turlock (California) for $12,500' (this was many years ago).&nbsp; I=
 didn't know much about the early cars at that time and, thinking it was an=
 early 6-cyl car said if it's in good shape it's probably worth that.&nbsp;=
 Dad said he'd go have a look.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Dad called the =
next day to say he'd bought the car.&nbsp; He said there was another potent=
ial buyer sniffing around; it sounded like the guy was 'bird-dogging' for a=
 buyer in the Bay Area, possibly for a dealer/broker or well-heeled collect=
or (but it seems most 'collectors' want to buy the end product of other peo=
ple's work).&nbsp; Anyway, Dad and the seller (his name was Jess) hit if of=
f and Jess didn't like the 'scout,' and when Dad mentioned it was his son t=
hat was really into these cars Jess said 'well, if it's it for your son you=
 can have it for $10,000.'&nbsp; The deal was made and Jess--who was a weal=
thy contractor/businessman--had one of his workers deliver the car to us on=
 a flatbed the next day.&nbsp; Jess and Dad remained good friends until Jes=
s died a few years ago; unfortunately before I had a chance to meet him.<br=
></div><div><br></div><div>The car?&nbsp; Well, it was a 4-cylinder car, on=
e of those funky ones with louvers in the hood with a leather strap across =
it.&nbsp; Jess had a Nash-Healey that Dad considered buying but it was the =
later model--not the Panelcraft one--with the headlights in the grille and =
Dad didn't care for the look.&nbsp; Truth be told, I wish we'd bought it, p=
ickled it and thrown a cover over it (same with the Ercoupe he had hanging =
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From: "Tom Trotter" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:28:48 -0500

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My first time contributing, but I've been lurking for a while now.
This really sickens me. One of these days, I'll be faced with having to =
sell my 67 BJ8. I hate to think a "flipper" would end up with it.
This list is superb- what a wealth of knowledge.
Kind Regards,
Tom

From: Bob Spidell=20
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:06 AM
To: BJ8Healeys=20
Cc: healeys=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Anyone know either one of these guys?

This is a recurring theme.  My father sold a '40 Ford pickup he had =
lovingly restored to original--having hot-rodded it out in his youth--to =
a guy who all but swore he would cherish it for himself.  The guy turned =
around and sold the truck almost immediately for a tidy profit.  Another =
time, Dad sold a '46 Ford coupe (sedan?) to a guy who said he was going =
to restore it.  A couple years later the guy had the audacity to bring =
the car by to show it off; he had hot-rodded it and painted it yellow =
(not Primrose ;).  Made Dad almost sick.  These happened years ago; with =
the popularity of shows like 'Fast and Loud,' 'Car Chasers,' etc. it =
seems more and more people will be into the 'flipping' business.  It's a =
legitimate business (though you have to wonder with all the 'cash' =
changing hands if taxes are being paid).  But, it kind of rankles me =
because even though most of them are car-savvy all they can see is a =
pile of money on four wheels.

OTOH, Dad sold a cherry '34 Ford coupe he had restored to a guy who put =
the finishing touches on the resto and made it a show-winner.  But, I =
won't be surprised if, sooner or later, the car ends up with a Chip =
Foose wannabe who rods it out.

Moral of the story: If you have a car to sell, sell it to the highest =
bidder.  The guy who claims to want an Austin-Healey because his =
dad/grandfather/uncle had one might be lying (there's some awfully good =
liars out there).

Bob

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a guy=20
who all but swore he would cherish it for himself.&nbsp; The guy turned =
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and sold the truck almost immediately for a tidy profit.&nbsp; Another =
time, Dad=20
sold a '46 Ford coupe (sedan?) to a guy who said he was going to restore =

it.&nbsp; A couple years later the guy had the audacity to bring the car =
by to=20
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;).&nbsp;=20
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popularity of=20
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people=20
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(though=20
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won't be=20
surprised if, sooner or later, the car ends up with a Chip Foose wannabe =
who=20
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<DIV>Bob<BR></DIV>
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he had=20
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From: robert westcott <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 10:23:01 -0800

Got the same request from:   Paul Klein <[email-masked]>   last month.
Wasted my time trying to find out what he was looking for, no reply.  Same phishing scam looking for anything with a reference from someone I knew.
I dislike this scam and hope we are all diligent keeping the rest of us informed.

I do not like the list being used for this.

Rob Westcott

Scam request  follows.  I would like to see if the administrator could block these guys or send them a warning.

Happy New Year!

Ronald Durham from the British Car Club referred me to you.

I am looking for a classic British car, a 50's or 60's Austin Healey, i will apreciate your help and advice.

Best regards,

Paul

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From: Ronald Durham <[email-masked]>
To: Paul Klein <[email-masked]> 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:13 AM
Subject: Austin Healey

Hi Paul,
I asked some members from our British Car Club, they referred me to Robert Westcott, he may have an Austin Healey or he can help you.
Email: [email-masked]
Good Luck
Ron

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 18:25:38 +0000 (UTC)

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re: "If you sell your car because you have/want to and they pay what you feel is a fair price, what's your beef? If you sold it under market because of a good story, that's on you." 

You're absolutely correct, Ira. We should all just assume whatever story the prospective buyer is giving is a flat-out lie. However, for some strange reason I insist on retaining just a little faith in the human species which, of course, means I will be disappointed occasionally. OTOH, as my follow-up to my own post noted, sometimes you make new friends and your faith is restored just a little. 

I have mixed feelings about the whole business; obviously, if you sell something to somebody they are free to do with it as they wish. But, if they lie and say they're going to do--or not do--something and they don't then, well, I don't like being lied to (just a thing with me, I guess). If they negotiate the price down by promising they will do--or not do--something and they violate that agreement then technically that could be construed as breach of contract--esp.if it's in writing--and could be subject to legal recourse. 

I was really looking forward to meeting the seller of our 100M, and showing him the progress we'd made the car, and our adherence to the 'understanding' he and my father had but he died before I got the chance. 

Bob 

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So as I read these,occurs to me that: If you sell your car because you have/want to and they pay what you feel is a fair price, what's your beef? If you sold it under market because of a good story, that's on you. Once you sell/give something away, you relinquish ownership. 
So be sure you get the price you want. I am lucky that my wife and kids want the car after I pass on. 
Reminds me of when I was a kid. My dad sold his 51 Ford to our gardener for his son to drive. A year or so later the kid drove by to show my dad the hot rod he had built. My dad spoke of it often and felt it was so cool the kid got new life out of the old car. 
Not much we can do after we pass out cars on accept enjoy the memories of ownership. 
Cheers everyone. 

Ira Erbs 
Portland, OR 
_______ _______ 
(______ \____1960 BT7____/ _______) 
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00"><div><div>re: "If you sell your car because you have/want to and they p=
ay what you feel is a fair price, what's your beef? If you sold it under ma=
rket because of a good story, that's on you."</div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>You're absolutely correct, Ira.&nbsp; We should all just assume =
whatever story the prospective buyer is giving is a flat-out lie.&nbsp; How=
ever, for some strange reason I insist on retaining just a little faith in =
the human species which, of course, means I will be disappointed occasional=
ly.&nbsp; OTOH, as my follow-up to my own post noted, sometimes you make ne=
w friends and your faith is restored just a little.&nbsp;</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I have mixed feelings about the whole business; obviously, if you s=
ell something to somebody they are free to do with it as they wish.&nbsp; B=
ut, if they lie and say they're going to do--or not do--something and they =
don't then, well, I don't like being lied to (just a thing with me, I guess=
).&nbsp;&nbsp; If they negotiate the price down by promising they will do--=
or not do--something and they violate that agreement then technically that =
could be construed as breach of contract--esp.if it's in writing--and could=
 be subject to legal recourse.</div><div><br></div><div>I was really lookin=
g forward to meeting the seller of our 100M, and showing him the progress w=
e'd made the car, and our adherence to the 'understanding' he and my father=
 had but he died before I got the chance.</div><div><br></div>Bob</div><div=
><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;fon=
t-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:12pt;"><br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-size:small">So as I read these,occurs to me that: If y=
ou sell your car because you have/want to and they pay what you feel is a f=
air price, what's your beef? If you sold it under market because of a good =
story, that's on you. Once you sell/give something away, you relinquish own=
ership.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">So be s=
ure you get the price you want. I am lucky that my wife and kids &nbsp;want=
 the car after I pass on.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small">Reminds me of when I was a kid. My dad sold his 51 Ford to our g=
ardener for his son to drive. A year or so later the kid drove by to show m=
y dad the hot rod he had built. My dad spoke of it often and felt it was so=
 cool the kid got new life out of the old car.</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small">Not much we can do after we pass out cars o=
n accept enjoy the memories of ownership.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
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extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature">Ira Erbs<br>Po=
rtland, OR<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; _______&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; _______<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1960 BT7____/ _______)<br>&n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (_________________________)<br></div></div>
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I was also contacted by Mr.Klein.

Gergo

2015-02-06 19:25 GMT+01:00 Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>:

> re: "If you sell your car because you have/want to and they pay what you
> feel is a fair price, what's your beef? If you sold it under market because
> of a good story, that's on you."
>
>
> You're absolutely correct, Ira.  We should all just assume whatever story
> the prospective buyer is giving is a flat-out lie.  However, for some
> strange reason I insist on retaining just a little faith in the human
> species which, of course, means I will be disappointed occasionally.  OTOH,
> as my follow-up to my own post noted, sometimes you make new friends and
> your faith is restored just a little.
>
> I have mixed feelings about the whole business; obviously, if you sell
> something to somebody they are free to do with it as they wish.  But, if
> they lie and say they're going to do--or not do--something and they don't
> then, well, I don't like being lied to (just a thing with me, I guess).
> If they negotiate the price down by promising they will do--or not
> do--something and they violate that agreement then technically that could
> be construed as breach of contract--esp.if it's in writing--and could be
> subject to legal recourse.
>
> I was really looking forward to meeting the seller of our 100M, and
> showing him the progress we'd made the car, and our adherence to the
> 'understanding' he and my father had but he died before I got the chance.
>
> Bob
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> So as I read these,occurs to me that: If you sell your car because you
> have/want to and they pay what you feel is a fair price, what's your beef?
> If you sold it under market because of a good story, that's on you. Once
> you sell/give something away, you relinquish ownership.
> Reminds me of when I was a kid. My dad sold his 51 Ford to our gardener
> for his son to drive. A year or so later the kid drove by to show my dad
> the hot rod he had built. My dad spoke of it often and felt it was so cool
> the kid got new life out of the old car.
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t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;fon=
t-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div><div>re: &quot;If you sell your car because=
 you have/want to and they pay what you feel is a fair price, what&#39;s yo=
ur beef? If you sold it under market because of a good story, that&#39;s on=
 you.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>You&#39;re absolutely c=
orrect, Ira.=C2=A0 We should all just assume whatever story the prospective=
 buyer is giving is a flat-out lie.=C2=A0 However, for some strange reason =
I insist on retaining just a little faith in the human species which, of co=
urse, means I will be disappointed occasionally.=C2=A0 OTOH, as my follow-u=
p to my own post noted, sometimes you make new friends and your faith is re=
stored just a little.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I have mixed feelings =
about the whole business; obviously, if you sell something to somebody they=
 are free to do with it as they wish.=C2=A0 But, if they lie and say they&#=
39;re going to do--or not do--something and they don&#39;t then, well, I do=
n&#39;t like being lied to (just a thing with me, I guess).=C2=A0=C2=A0 If =
they negotiate the price down by promising they will do--or not do--somethi=
ng and they violate that agreement then technically that could be construed=
 as breach of contract--esp.if it&#39;s in writing--and could be subject to=
 legal recourse.</div><div><br></div><div>I was really looking forward to m=
eeting the seller of our 100M, and showing him the progress we&#39;d made t=
he car, and our adherence to the &#39;understanding&#39; he and my father h=
ad but he died before I got the chance.</div><div><br></div>Bob</div><div><=
br></div><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;=
text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"=
><br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-size:small">So as I read these,occurs to me that: If you sell your car=
 because you have/want to and they pay what you feel is a fair price, what&=
#39;s your beef? If you sold it under market because of a good story, that&=
#39;s on you. Once you sell/give something away, you relinquish ownership.<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">So be sure you =
get the price you want. I am lucky that my wife and kids =C2=A0want the car=
 after I pass on.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:smal=
l">Reminds me of when I was a kid. My dad sold his 51 Ford to our gardener =
for his son to drive. A year or so later the kid drove by to show my dad th=
e hot rod he had built. My dad spoke of it often and felt it was so cool th=
e kid got new life out of the old car.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-size:small">Not much we can do after we pass out cars on accept=
 enjoy the memories of ownership.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">Cheers everyone.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br clear=3D"all"><div><div>Ira Erbs<br>Portland, OR<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 _____=
__=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0 (______ \____1960 BT7____/ _______)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
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