Subject: Re: [Healeys] Driving 100

From: Alan Seigrist <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 09:38:28 +0800

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Bob -

I drive my BN1 alot, and frankly I much prefer driving the car to the BJ8,
it drives much more like a modern street racer, very nimble, tracks where
you need it to go, light on the steering, everything.  As someone who
started out as a BJ8 guy, the BN1 has grown on me.

I think the problem you are dealing with is your front wheels aren't
aligned properly, probably your toe is too wide or something along those
lines.  The car should absolutely track straight and steer like a modern
car.  You don't need fat tires on the 100, in fact the old 48 spokes with
165s, it drives very nice.

Best Regards,

Alan

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.  Car tracks
> straight and turns well but feels somewhat 'squirrelly' or 'twitchy' to
> me.  I'm used to driving a BJ8 with oversize (6") wheels and 185/70 tires
> which feels like a land barge compared to the 100.  I would expect a 100 to
> be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but you have to really stay on top of the
> car to stay out of the weeds.  We set up the suspension ourselves, with
> nominal caster, camber and toe, but our tools were somewhat crude and we
> may have screwed something up (particularly the caster).
>
> Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong, or
> do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know, you're
> supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels like it has no
> margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?
>
> TIA,
> Bob
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob -<div><br></div><div>I drive my BN1 alot, and frankly =
I much prefer driving the car to the BJ8, it drives much more like a modern=
 street racer, very nimble, tracks where you need it to go, light on the st=
eering, everything.=C2=A0 As someone who started out as a BJ8 guy, the BN1 =
has grown on me.</div><div><br></div><div>I think the problem you are deali=
ng with is your front wheels aren&#39;t aligned properly, probably your toe=
 is too wide or something along those lines.=C2=A0 The car should absolutel=
y track straight and steer like a modern car.=C2=A0 You don&#39;t need fat =
tires on the 100, in fact the old 48 spokes with 165s, it drives very nice.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Alan</div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun=
 15, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Listers,<br>
<br>
Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.=C2=A0 Car tra=
cks straight and turns well but feels somewhat &#39;squirrelly&#39; or &#39=
;twitchy&#39; to me.=C2=A0 I&#39;m used to driving a BJ8 with oversize (6&q=
uot;) wheels and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the=
 100.=C2=A0 I would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but yo=
u have to really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.=C2=A0 We =
set up the suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but o=
ur tools were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particul=
arly the caster).<br>
<br>
Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong, or =
do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know, you&#39;re =
supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels like it has no marg=
in for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?<br>
<br>
TIA,<br>
Bob<br>
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From: Michael Oritt <[email-masked]>
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Bob--

I agree with Alan totally--the 100's handling is quite a lot lighter than
that of the six-cylinder cars.

Since you know that your front-end set up is probably far from precise why
not start with common specs and see what effect that has.  I don't have a
handbook available to me right now but I am sure that toe is specified and
if camber and caster is not they cannot be a deep secret and any of the
smart guys on this list or one of shops that set up new restorations should
be able to give you the info you need.

You didn't say what kind of tires you have mounted up, nor what inflation
you are using but both for esthetic as well as handling reasons I would
recommend a 70-aspect radial and see how 30 psi feels.  I recently mounted
up a set of 175-15R Michelin XAS's.  Admittedly they are expensive but they
feel great--far better than the previous XzX's, track straight and fill the
wheel apertures nicely, even though my BN1 has smaller front wheel cutouts
than the later BN2's.

Good luck, and keep us posted--Michael Oritt

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Alan Seigrist <[email-masked]> wrote:

>> Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong,
>> or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know, you're
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Bob--=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I agree with Alan totally--t=
he 100&#39;s handling is quite a lot lighter than that of the six-cylinder =
cars.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Since you know th=
at your front-end set up is probably far from precise why not start with co=
mmon specs and see what effect that has.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t have a handbook =
available to me right now but I am sure that toe is specified and if camber=
 and caster is not they cannot be a deep secret and any of the smart guys o=
n this list or one of shops that set up new restorations should be able to =
give you the info you need.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"colo=
r:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Y=
ou didn&#39;t say what kind of tires you have mounted up, nor what inflatio=
n you are using but both for esthetic as well as handling reasons I would r=
ecommend a 70-aspect radial and see how 30 psi feels.=C2=A0 I recently moun=
ted up a set of 175-15R Michelin XAS&#39;s.=C2=A0 Admittedly they are expen=
sive but they feel great--far better than the previous XzX&#39;s, track str=
aight and fill the wheel apertures nicely, even though my BN1 has smaller f=
ront wheel cutouts than the later BN2&#39;s.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"color:#3333ff">Good luck, and keep us posted--Michael Oritt =C2=A0</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Alan=
 Seigrist <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob -<div><br></div><div>I drive my BN1 a=
lot, and frankly I much prefer driving the car to the BJ8, it drives much m=
ore like a modern street racer, very nimble, tracks where you need it to go=
, light on the steering, everything.=C2=A0 As someone who started out as a =
BJ8 guy, the BN1 has grown on me.</div><div><br></div><div>I think the prob=
lem you are dealing with is your front wheels aren&#39;t aligned properly, =
probably your toe is too wide or something along those lines.=C2=A0 The car=
 should absolutely track straight and steer like a modern car.=C2=A0 You do=
n&#39;t need fat tires on the 100, in fact the old 48 spokes with 165s, it =
drives very nice.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards,</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Alan</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Bob Spidell <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">Listers,<br>
<br>
Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.=C2=A0 Car tra=
cks straight and turns well but feels somewhat &#39;squirrelly&#39; or &#39=
;twitchy&#39; to me.=C2=A0 I&#39;m used to driving a BJ8 with oversize (6&q=
uot;) wheels and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the=
 100.=C2=A0 I would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but yo=
u have to really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.=C2=A0 We =
set up the suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but o=
ur tools were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particul=
arly the caster).<br>
<br>
Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong, or =
do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know, you&#39;re =
supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels like it has no marg=
in for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?<br>
<br>
TIA,<br>
Bob<br>
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From: Derek Job <[email-masked]>
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Bob

What do you mean by 'nominal' castor, camber and toe in? Toe in should be
1/8th of an inch. The other two are fixed at manufacture and i can't
remember exactly what they are but I think they are mentioned in the shop
manual. If they are not correct, toe in and castor will have a big effect
on how the car feels.

Derek

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Bob, I think something is out of spec.  My 100, on 165/80 modern"ish"
> radials was very stable, would not describe the handling as squirrelly at
> all, a very relaxed and smooth riding car compared to most of the other mgs
> and Triumphs and such I have owned.
>
> The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the toe in was off
> after I set it by eyeball to drive it home after I had done,
> coincidentally, a steering box referb and tie and cross rod replacement in
> my mother's nearby garage and wanted to get it home for more precise
> adjustment.  The curves of the front fenders make the eyeball method even
> more inaccurate than you would figure it to be, but anyway it was
> squirrelly with the toe in off.
>
> Greg Lemon
>
>
> ---- Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:
> > Listers,
> >
> > Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.  Car
> > tracks straight and turns well but feels somewhat 'squirrelly' or
> > 'twitchy' to me.  I'm used to driving a BJ8 with oversize (6") wheels
> > and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the 100.  I
> > would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but you have to
> > really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.  We set up the
> > suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but our tools
> > were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particularly
> > the caster).
> >
> > or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know,
> > you're supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels like it
> > has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Bob
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Bob<div><br></div><div style>What do you mean by &#39;nomi=
nal&#39; castor, camber and toe in? Toe in should be 1/8th of an inch. The =
other two are fixed at manufacture and i can&#39;t remember exactly what th=
ey are but I think they are mentioned in the shop manual. If they are not c=
orrect, toe in and castor will have a big effect on how the car feels.</div=
><div style><br></div><div style>Derek</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM,  <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">glemon=
@neb.rr.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Bob, I =
think something is out of spec.=C2=A0 My 100, on 165/80 modern&quot;ish&quo=
t; radials was very stable, would not describe the handling as squirrelly a=
t all, a very relaxed and smooth riding car compared to most of the other m=
gs and Triumphs and such I have owned.<br>
<br>
The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the toe in was off af=
ter I set it by eyeball to drive it home after I had done, coincidentally, =
a steering box referb and tie and cross rod replacement in my mother&#39;s =
nearby garage and wanted to get it home for more precise adjustment.=C2=A0 =
The curves of the front fenders make the eyeball method even more inaccurat=
e than you would figure it to be, but anyway it was squirrelly with the toe=
 in off.<br>
<br>
Greg Lemon<br>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
---- Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">bspidell@comca=
st.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Listers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.=C2=A0 Ca=
r<br>
&gt; tracks straight and turns well but feels somewhat &#39;squirrelly&#39;=
 or<br>
&gt; &#39;twitchy&#39; to me.=C2=A0 I&#39;m used to driving a BJ8 with over=
size (6&quot;) wheels<br>
&gt; and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the 100.=C2=
=A0 I<br>
&gt; would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but you have to=
<br>
&gt; really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.=C2=A0 We set u=
p the<br>
&gt; suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but our too=
ls<br>
&gt; were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particularly=
<br>
&gt; the caster).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong=
,<br>
&gt; or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know,<br>
&gt; you&#39;re supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels lik=
e it<br>
&gt; has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; TIA,<br>
&gt; Bob<br>
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From: jerry wall <[email-masked]>
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the original toe in specs were for bias ply tires. for radials the toe in
should be 0 - straight ahead.  this can be confirmed at your local tire
dealer's alignment machine.
cheers,
jerry

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<div dir=3D"ltr">the original toe in specs were for bias ply tires. for rad=
ials the toe in should be 0 - straight ahead. =C2=A0this can be confirmed a=
t your local tire dealer&#39;s alignment machine.<div>cheers,</div><div>jer=
ry</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Derek Job <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob<div><=
br></div><div>What do you mean by &#39;nominal&#39; castor, camber and toe =
in? Toe in should be 1/8th of an inch. The other two are fixed at manufactu=
re and i can&#39;t remember exactly what they are but I think they are ment=
ioned in the shop manual. If they are not correct, toe in and castor will h=
ave a big effect on how the car feels.</div><div><br></div><div>Derek</div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div c=
lass=3D"h5">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=
=3D"h5">Bob, I think something is out of spec.=C2=A0 My 100, on 165/80 mode=
rn&quot;ish&quot; radials was very stable, would not describe the handling =
as squirrelly at all, a very relaxed and smooth riding car compared to most=
 of the other mgs and Triumphs and such I have owned.<br>
<br>
The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the toe in was off af=
ter I set it by eyeball to drive it home after I had done, coincidentally, =
a steering box referb and tie and cross rod replacement in my mother&#39;s =
nearby garage and wanted to get it home for more precise adjustment.=C2=A0 =
The curves of the front fenders make the eyeball method even more inaccurat=
e than you would figure it to be, but anyway it was squirrelly with the toe=
 in off.<br>
<br>
Greg Lemon<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
---- Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Listers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.=C2=A0 Ca=
r<br>
&gt; tracks straight and turns well but feels somewhat &#39;squirrelly&#39;=
 or<br>
&gt; &#39;twitchy&#39; to me.=C2=A0 I&#39;m used to driving a BJ8 with over=
size (6&quot;) wheels<br>
&gt; and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the 100.=C2=
=A0 I<br>
&gt; would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but you have to=
<br>
&gt; really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.=C2=A0 We set u=
p the<br>
&gt; suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but our too=
ls<br>
&gt; were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particularly=
<br>
&gt; the caster).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong=
,<br>
&gt; or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know,<br>
&gt; you&#39;re supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels lik=
e it<br>
&gt; has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; TIA,<br>
&gt; Bob<br>
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Jerry,

What is the reasoning behind saying it should be 0 degrees for radial
tyres? Maybe that might be the case for flat, wide, low profile modern
tyres but I don't see why it should apply to the types of radials we use on
our cars.

Derek

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jerry,<div><br></div><div style>What is the reasoning behi=
nd saying it should be 0 degrees for radial tyres? Maybe that might be the =
case for flat, wide, low profile modern tyres but I don&#39;t see why it sh=
ould apply to the types of radials we use on our cars.</div><div style><br>=
</div><div style>Derek</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:41 AM, jerry wall <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jwbn6hrdt=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">the original toe in specs were for bias ply tires. for radials th=
e toe in should be 0 - straight ahead. =C2=A0this can be confirmed at your =
local tire dealer&#39;s alignment machine.<div>cheers,</div><div>jerry</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Ju=
n 15, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Derek Job <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:de=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob<div><br></di=
v><div>What do you mean by &#39;nominal&#39; castor, camber and toe in? Toe=
 in should be 1/8th of an inch. The other two are fixed at manufacture and =
i can&#39;t remember exactly what they are but I think they are mentioned i=
n the shop manual. If they are not correct, toe in and castor will have a b=
ig effect on how the car feels.</div><div><br></div><div>Derek</div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, =
Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:glemon@ne=
b.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></di=
v></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Bob, I think something is =
out of spec.=C2=A0 My 100, on 165/80 modern&quot;ish&quot; radials was very=
 stable, would not describe the handling as squirrelly at all, a very relax=
ed and smooth riding car compared to most of the other mgs and Triumphs and=
 such I have owned.<br>
<br>
The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the toe in was off af=
ter I set it by eyeball to drive it home after I had done, coincidentally, =
a steering box referb and tie and cross rod replacement in my mother&#39;s =
nearby garage and wanted to get it home for more precise adjustment.=C2=A0 =
The curves of the front fenders make the eyeball method even more inaccurat=
e than you would figure it to be, but anyway it was squirrelly with the toe=
 in off.<br>
<br>
Greg Lemon<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
---- Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Listers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.=C2=A0 Ca=
r<br>
&gt; tracks straight and turns well but feels somewhat &#39;squirrelly&#39;=
 or<br>
&gt; &#39;twitchy&#39; to me.=C2=A0 I&#39;m used to driving a BJ8 with over=
size (6&quot;) wheels<br>
&gt; and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the 100.=C2=
=A0 I<br>
&gt; would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but you have to=
<br>
&gt; really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.=C2=A0 We set u=
p the<br>
&gt; suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but our too=
ls<br>
&gt; were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particularly=
<br>
&gt; the caster).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong=
,<br>
&gt; or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know,<br>
&gt; you&#39;re supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels lik=
e it<br>
&gt; has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; TIA,<br>
&gt; Bob<br>
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From: Larry Varley <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:00:12 +1000

Hi Bob, I would like to throw my hat in here, happy to be disagreed 
with. Firstly I think wider than standard wheels on a Healey can be a 
backward step. Fine they look good but what is the down side? The Barge 
like steering feel on a six cylinder cars is increased  and less nimble 
on a 100. Certainly with radial tyres zero to negative camber is an 
advantage as the radials have less side wall flex than the old cross ply 
tyres the cars were designed for. I would never go for zero toe in as i 
think they need some toe in, 1/16 to 1/8. Healeys are generally a very 
stable and predictable car at speed so if it isn't there is definitely 
something wrong. Oh and to back up my claim about wide wheels, some 
years ago Dennis Welsh came to Australia for the Healey challenge at out 
Bathurst circuit, a very challenging track. He cleaned up the field 
against some very talented drivers in competitive cars. And guess what, 
he was running 4 1/2 inch rims with good tyres. So perhaps you must 
consider how much weight you have in the car itself that loads the tyres 
and produces grip, as the wider the tyre would have to be softer to 
produce the same grip level between the tyre and the road. Wide wheels 
look good....My 100 will stay 4 1/2 inch it's a great car to drive as it is.
Cheers
Larry Varley

On 15/06/2015 7:48 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but our 
> tools were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up 
> (particularly the caster).
>
> Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be 
> wrong, or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I 
> know, you're supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels 
> like it has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?
>
> TIA,
> Bob
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>
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We replaced the shock mounts with adjustable ones and set caster to 
1.24deg and camber to 1deg pos. per the shop manual.  We THINK we have 
proper toe-in--about an eighth of an inch--but haven't had a shop check it.

Bob

On 6/15/2015 12:11 AM, Derek Job wrote:
> Bob
>
> What do you mean by 'nominal' castor, camber and toe in? Toe in should 
> be 1/8th of an inch. The other two are fixed at manufacture and i 
> can't remember exactly what they are but I think they are mentioned in 
> the shop manual. If they are not correct, toe in and castor will have 
> a big effect on how the car feels.
>
> Derek
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM, <[email-masked] 
>
>     Bob, I think something is out of spec.  My 100, on 165/80
>     modern"ish" radials was very stable, would not describe the
>     handling as squirrelly at all, a very relaxed and smooth riding
>     car compared to most of the other mgs and Triumphs and such I have
>     owned.
>
>     The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the toe in
>     was off after I set it by eyeball to drive it home after I had
>     done, coincidentally, a steering box referb and tie and cross rod
>     replacement in my mother's nearby garage and wanted to get it home
>     for more precise adjustment.  The curves of the front fenders make
>     the eyeball method even more inaccurate than you would figure it
>     to be, but anyway it was squirrelly with the toe in off.
>
>     Greg Lemon
>
>
>     ---- Bob Spidell <[email-masked]
>     > Listers,
>     >
>     wrong,

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    We replaced the shock mounts with adjustable ones and set caster to
    1.24deg and camber to 1deg pos. per the shop manual.  We THINK we
    have proper toe-in--about an eighth of an inch--but haven't had a
    shop check it.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/15/2015 12:11 AM, Derek Job wrote:<br>
    </div>
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cite="mid:CAAh8etk_K0onP=[email-masked]"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Bob
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div style="">What do you mean by 'nominal' castor, camber and
          toe in? Toe in should be 1/8th of an inch. The other two are
          fixed at manufacture and i can't remember exactly what they
          are but I think they are mentioned in the shop manual. If they
          are not correct, toe in and castor will have a big effect on
          how the car feels.</div>
        <div style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div style="">Derek</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM, <span
            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Bob, I
            think something is out of spec.  My 100, on 165/80
            modern"ish" radials was very stable, would not describe the
            handling as squirrelly at all, a very relaxed and smooth
            riding car compared to most of the other mgs and Triumphs
            and such I have owned.<br>
            <br>
            The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the
            toe in was off after I set it by eyeball to drive it home
            after I had done, coincidentally, a steering box referb and
            tie and cross rod replacement in my mother's nearby garage
            and wanted to get it home for more precise adjustment.  The
            curves of the front fenders make the eyeball method even
            more inaccurate than you would figure it to be, but anyway
            it was squirrelly with the toe in off.<br>
            <br>
            Greg Lemon<br>
            <div>
              <div class="h5"><br>
                <br>
                ---- Bob Spidell &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt; Listers,<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; Finally had a chance to put some miles on our
                BN2/100M resto.  Car<br>
                &gt; tracks straight and turns well but feels somewhat
                'squirrelly' or<br>
                &gt; 'twitchy' to me.  I'm used to driving a BJ8 with
                oversize (6") wheels<br>
                &gt; and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge
                compared to the 100.  I<br>
                &gt; would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a
                BJ8, but you have to<br>
                &gt; really stay on top of the car to stay out of the
                weeds.  We set up the<br>
                &gt; suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber
                and toe, but our tools<br>
                &gt; were somewhat crude and we may have screwed
                something up (particularly<br>
                &gt; the caster).<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if
                something might be wrong,<br>
                &gt; or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all
                times (I know,<br>
                &gt; you're supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but
                this one feels like it<br>
                &gt; has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at
                all)?<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; TIA,<br>
                &gt; Bob<br>
                <br>
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From: "Mark Donaldson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:17:25 +1200

Bob,

Are you sure the wheel alignment is OK?
I have found that with even the slightest bit of toe out, my BN2 will be '
quite lively'

Mark
Ardmore, NZ

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From: Bob Spidell [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Monday, 15 June 2015 9:49 a.m.
To: Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] Driving 100

Listers,

TIA,
Bob

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We've only done the toe setting with crude 'tools' (tape measure, mostly). 

Several have commented on toe-in/out being the possible cause; we'll check it first (won't be down there for a couple weeks). 

Thanks for all the replies. Now, back to oil ... 

Bob 

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Bob, 

Mark 
Ardmore, NZ 

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mostly).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Several have commented on toe-in/out =
being the possible cause; we'll check it first (won't be down there for a c=
ouple weeks).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for all the replies.&nbsp=
; Now, back to oil ...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob<br></div><div><br><=
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st bit of toe out, my BN2 will be '<br>quite lively'<br><div><br></div>Mark=
<br>Ardmore, NZ<br><div><br></div><br style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:norma=
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