Subject: Re: [Healeys] List seems too quiet

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 19:20:55 -0700

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I'll bite.  It's because if you do the shorter lines first, bleeding the 
longer lines could reintroduce air.

Am I in the group?

bs

On 7/2/2015 7:14 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
> Here is one for everyone to take a shot at..
> The golden rule of bleeding brakes is to start with the wheel 
> furthermost from the master cylinder and to successively move to 
> closer wheels as the process progresses.
> Why???  ......   and don't say because that is how you were taught?
> I have asked lots of people this question and have had lots of stupid 
> responses...try not to join that group!!!
>
> ​Michael S
> BN1 #174​
>
> -- 
> /If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem./

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    I'll bite.  It's because if you do the shorter lines first, bleeding
    the longer lines could reintroduce air.<br>
    <br>
    Am I in the group?<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2015 7:14 PM, Michael Salter
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Here is one for everyone to
          take a shot at..<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">The golden rule of bleeding
          brakes is to start with the wheel furthermost from the master
          cylinder and to successively move to closer wheels as the
          process progresses.<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Why???  ......   and don't say
          because that is how you were taught?<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have asked lots of people
          this question and have had lots of stupid responses...try not
          to join that group!!!<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear="all">
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">​Michael S<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 #174​</div>
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              <div dir="ltr"><i><font size="2"><span style="color:black">If
                      you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an
                      electrical problem.</span></font></i><br>
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From: "Greg Lemon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 22:08:40 -0500

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I remember being told that early on and seeing it in the manuals as =
well, it was explained to me something along the lines of what Bob said, =
but when you really think about it on most cars before dual circuit =
brake systems, you have one line coming from the M/C to a union, with =
three lines coming out of the union.  One for each front brake, and one =
going to the back, where it splits again.

You don't want air getting into a line you already bled.

So here is my theory, you do the farthest first so you get the main line =
from the M/C to the union clear (because you have to move more fluid =
through the longer line) and once that is clear the next step is =
expelling it from the lines out of the union to the other brakes.

Theory two: it may be faster, as non compressible fluid bleeds out more =
efficiently than compressible air.  So get as much air out as possible =
through the longest line first, and the rest will go more =
quickly/efficiently.

Theory three:  It doesn=E2=80=99t work better, it actually is less =
effective, and it is all lies spread by the big petro-chemical companies =
that make brake fluid to that they can sell more product.

Or maybe it is just because that is the way everybody says to do it.

Greg

From: Bob Spidell=20
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2015 9:20 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] List seems too quiet

I'll bite.  It's because if you do the shorter lines first, bleeding the =
longer lines could reintroduce air.

Am I in the group?

bs

  The golden rule of bleeding brakes is to start with the wheel =
furthermost from the master cylinder and to successively move to closer =
wheels as the process progresses.

  I have asked lots of people this question and have had lots of stupid =
responses...try not to join that group!!!

  =E2=80=8BMichael S

  BN1 #174=E2=80=8B

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  If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.

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<DIV><BR></DIV>I'll bite.&nbsp; It's because if you do the shorter lines =
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bleeding the longer lines could reintroduce air.<BR><BR>Am I in the=20
group?<BR><BR>bs<BR><BR>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>On 7/2/2015 7:14 PM, Michael Salter =
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans&#13;&#10;          =
ms,sans-serif">The=20
  golden rule of bleeding brakes is to start with the wheel furthermost =
from the=20
  master cylinder and to successively move to closer wheels as the =
process=20
  progresses.<BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans&#13;&#10;          =
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  ......&nbsp;&nbsp; and don't say because that is how you were=20
taught?<BR></DIV>
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans&#13;&#10;          =
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  have asked lots of people this question and have had lots of stupid=20
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Bleed air from furthest point first from master cylinder. So no air is left
behind you as you move around the car.

Mr. Ira Erbs
On Jul 3, 2015 5:14 AM, "Michael Salter" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The golden rule of bleeding brakes is to start with the wheel furthermost
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> *If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.*
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Bleed air from furthest point first from master cylinder. So=
 no air is left behind you as you move around the car. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 3, 2015 5:14 AM, &quot;Michael Salter&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
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ir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,=
sans-serif;font-size:small">Here is one for everyone to take a shot at..<br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans=
-serif;font-size:small">The golden rule of bleeding brakes is to start with=
 the wheel furthermost from the master cylinder and to successively move to=
 closer wheels as the process progresses.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Why???=
=C2=A0 ......=C2=A0=C2=A0 and don&#39;t say because that is how you were ta=
ught?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans=
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From: "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]>
Sent: =E2=80=8E2/=E2=80=8E07/=E2=80=8E2015 10:25 p.m.
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] List seems too quiet

I'll bite.  It's because if you do the shorter lines first, bleeding the lo=
nger lines could reintroduce air.

Am I in the group?

bs

The golden rule of bleeding brakes is to start with the wheel furthermost f=
rom the master cylinder and to successively move to closer wheels as the pr=
ocess progresses.

I have asked lots of people this question and have had lots of stupid respo=
nses...try not to join that group!!!

=E2=80=8BMichael S

BN1 #174=E2=80=8B

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