Subject: Re: [Healeys] Trunk/boot lip rivets

From: Andy Thorp <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 20:58:45 +0000 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies, I have a few ideas to try now.

First is to try one of the pneumatic aircraft riveters, the reason I didn't consider this previously is that I had misunderstood how they are supposed to work. I thought the cupped setter was to make the rivet stem rounded once installed but this isn't right. For the flat head rivets, they are driven from the headed side and bucked on the stem, rather than putting the buck on the head and driving the hammer into the stem to secure it. There may be room to get one of the narrow bucks inside the trunk lip so that will be the first attempt. This video helps explain things a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hB3rIECtxM

Second attempt is to make a set of squeezer pliers out of C-type vise grip pliers and weld on some flat ends to squeeze up the rivets, perhaps with some percussive assistance.

 "The real question comes down to
 is it work a couple hundred dollars to be “historically
 correct” for a few rivets?  Only you can make that
 decision. "

It isn't so much a matter of being historically correct, it is more a case of having to look at something for the next forty odd years and wish I'd taken a little more time to do it properly that one day back in 2016. The square headed rivets look very purposeful.

Andy.
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From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 22:43:36 +0100 (MET)

Andy,
I wouldn´t try solid rivets. I have two Concours Austin-Healeys  and I use pop rivets. I put some JB Weld in the small hole on top and sand/polish them before painting.  You really need to climb in the boot or lay down under the car to really realise they are pop rivets and not solid ones. The rivetted lib at the bottom and on the boot opening looks extremely flat, no dents at all, caused by the rivetting work. 
Need to say I am living in Europe and we have different rules for Concours than in North America.
Josef Eckert
Germany

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From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 18:11:58 -0500

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Hi Andy,
Some more information.
I used Spae Naur 286-011 flat head rivets
http://www.spaenaur.com/catalog/#E4 and Vicegrip 11R pliers [image: IRWIN
VISE-GRIP - Locking C-Clamp, 11 in., 2-5/8 in. Throat]
I flattened the faces of the jaws a little with a grinder to prevent the
original rounded ends from slipping off the rivet.

I've probably done 20 cars this way......Kiwi ingenuity.....Easy as!!

Michael S
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Andy Thorp <[email-masked]> wrote:

> First is to try one of the pneumatic aircraft riveters, the reason I
> didn't consider this previously is that I had misunderstood how they are
> supposed to work. I thought the cupped setter was to make the rivet stem
> rounded once installed but this isn't right. For the flat head rivets, th=
ey
> are driven from the headed side and bucked on the stem, rather than putti=
ng
> the buck on the head and driving the hammer into the stem to secure it.
> There may be room to get one of the narrow bucks inside the trunk lip so
> that will be the first attempt. This video helps explain things a bit
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1hB3rIECtxM
>
> Second attempt is to make a set of squeezer pliers out of C-type vise gri=
p
> pliers and weld on some flat ends to squeeze up the rivets, perhaps with
> some percussive assistance.
>
>
>  is it work a couple hundred dollars to be =E2=80=9Chistorically
>  correct=E2=80=9D for a few rivets?  Only you can make that
>  decision. "
>
> It isn't so much a matter of being historically correct, it is more a cas=
e
> of having to look at something for the next forty odd years and wish I'd
> taken a little more time to do it properly that one day back in 2016. The
> square headed rivets look very purposeful.
>
> Andy.
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Andy,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Some m=
ore information.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I used Spae Naur 286-011 flat he=
ad rivets=C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.spaenaur.com/catalog/#E4">http://www.=
spaenaur.com/catalog/#E4</a> and Vicegrip 11R pliers <img class=3D"" src=3D=
"http://d2pbmlo3fglvvr.cloudfront.net/product/full/Z0ywp_fo5oy.JPG" title=
=3D"Locking C-Clamp, 11 in., 2-5/8 in. Throat" alt=3D"IRWIN VISE-GRIP - Loc=
king C-Clamp, 11 in., 2-5/8 in. Throat"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I flatte=
ned the faces of the jaws a little with a grinder to prevent the original r=
ounded ends from slipping off the rivet.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I&#3=
9;ve probably done 20 cars this way......Kiwi ingenuity.....Easy as!!<br><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,san=
s-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1 #174<br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-se=
rif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Andy Thorp <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bce257@ya=
hoo.co.nz</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks f=
or the replies, I have a few ideas to try now.<br>
<br>
First is to try one of the pneumatic aircraft riveters, the reason I didn&#=
39;t consider this previously is that I had misunderstood how they are supp=
osed to work. I thought the cupped setter was to make the rivet stem rounde=
d once installed but this isn&#39;t right. For the flat head rivets, they a=
re driven from the headed side and bucked on the stem, rather than putting =
the buck on the head and driving the hammer into the stem to secure it. The=
re may be room to get one of the narrow bucks inside the trunk lip so that =
will be the first attempt. This video helps explain things a bit <a href=3D=
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1hB3rIECtxM" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1hB3rIECtxM</a><br>
<br>
Second attempt is to make a set of squeezer pliers out of C-type vise grip =
pliers and weld on some flat ends to squeeze up the rivets, perhaps with so=
me percussive assistance.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
=C2=A0&quot;The real question comes down to<br>
=C2=A0is it work a couple hundred dollars to be =E2=80=9Chistorically<br>
=C2=A0correct=E2=80=9D for a few rivets?=C2=A0 Only you can make that<br>
=C2=A0decision. &quot;<br>
<br>
</span>It isn&#39;t so much a matter of being historically correct, it is m=
ore a case of having to look at something for the next forty odd years and =
wish I&#39;d taken a little more time to do it properly that one day back i=
n 2016. The square headed rivets look very purposeful.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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