Subject: Re: [Healeys] 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be built this sturdy

From: "John Sims" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:19:48 -0500

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Also what is interesting to me is the =E2=80=9Chelmet=E2=80=9D that the =
driver wore when he rolled the car!! That took guts

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John Sims

Aberdeen, NJ

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www.healey6.com

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From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of i =
erbs
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 3:25 PM
To: Ahealey help
Subject: [Healeys] 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be =
built this sturdy

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Subject: 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be built this =
sturdy?

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a fun video...watch until the end!

DO YOU THINK OUR CARS OF TODAY COULD PASS THESE TESTS ?

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1934 Chrysler Airflow Goes Over The Cliff

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And Drives Away=E2=80=A6

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Wow, when they put on safety demos back in the day, supervised, they =
stated, by "hard boiled" State Troopers.  (Road & Track)

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I wonder how today's car would hold up under the same tests? BTW, we =
have one of these Airflows at the Sacramento Auto Museum. They were
only made for four years, 1934 =E2=80=93 1937 and sold by both DeSoto =
and Chrysler. They never sold as well as the manufacturer wanted. People
just weren=E2=80=99t ready for the new futuristic design.

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/bFl5pEe-7uo?feature=3Dplayer_detailpage    =
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Ira Erbs

Portland,OR

1959 BN4 100-6

with BT7 engine and disk brakes.

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Also what is interesting to me is the =
=E2=80=9Chelmet=E2=80=9D that the driver wore when he rolled the car!! =
That took guts<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Black","sans-serif"'>Aberdeen, NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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Black","sans-serif"'>www.healey6.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>i =
erbs<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 28, 2016 3:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Ahealey help<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why =
can't today's cars be built this sturdy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be built this =
sturdy?</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>a fun =
video...watch until the end!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>DO YOU =
THINK OUR CARS OF TODAY COULD PASS THESE TESTS =
?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>1934 Chrysler =
Airflow Goes Over The Cliff<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>And Drives =
Away=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Wow, when =
they put on safety demos back in the day, supervised, they&nbsp;stated, =
by &quot;hard boiled&quot; State Troopers. &nbsp;(Road &amp; =
Track)<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I wonder how =
today's car would hold up under the same tests? BTW, we&nbsp;have one of =
these Airflows at the Sacramento Auto Museum. They were<br>only made for =
four years, 1934 =E2=80=93 1937 and sold by both DeSoto =
and&nbsp;Chrysler. They never sold as well as the manufacturer wanted. =
People<br>just weren=E2=80=99t ready for the new futuristic =
design.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
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div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ira Erbs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Portland,OR<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1959 BN4 100-6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>with BT7 engine and disk =
brakes.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></b=
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From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:21:38 -0800

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with no seat belts either....

Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
1959 BN4 100-6

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John Sims <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Also what is interesting to me is the =E2=80=9Chelmet=E2=80=9D that the d=
river wore when
> he rolled the car!! That took guts
>
>
>
> John Sims
>
> Aberdeen, NJ
>
>
>
> www.healey6.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *i
> erbs
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 3:25 PM
> *To:* Ahealey help
> *Subject:* [Healeys] 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be
> built this sturdy
>
>
>
> *Subject: 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be built this
> sturdy?*
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow, when they put on safety demos back in the day, supervised,
> they stated, by "hard boiled" State Troopers.  (Road & Track)
>
>
>
> I wonder how today's car would hold up under the same tests? BTW, we have
> one of these Airflows at the Sacramento Auto Museum. They were
> only made for four years, 1934 =E2=80=93 1937 and sold by both DeSoto
> https://www.youtube.com/embed/bFl5pEe-7uo?feature=3Dplayer_detailpage
>
>
>
> Ira Erbs
>
> Portland,OR
>
> 1959 BN4 100-6
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">with no seat belts either....</div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div>1959 BN4 100-6</di=
v><div>with BT7 engine and disk brakes.</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John Sims <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><a name=3D"565489558__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;=
Arial Black&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Also what is interesting to me is=
 the =E2=80=9Chelmet=E2=80=9D that the driver wore when he rolled the car!!=
 That took guts<u></u><u></u></span></a></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial Black&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial Black&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">John Sims<u=
></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial Black&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Aberdeen, NJ=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial Black&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial Black&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><a href=3D"htt=
p://www.healey6.com" target=3D"_blank">www.healey6.com</a><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial Black=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Healeys [mailto:<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys-boun=
[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>i erbs<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday=
, January 28, 2016 3:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ahealey help<br><b>Subject:</b> [H=
ealeys] 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can&#39;t today&#39;s cars be built thi=
s sturdy<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;marg=
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serif&quot;;color:black">Subject:=C2=A01934 Chrysler Airflow...why can&#39;=
t today&#39;s cars be built this sturdy?</span></b><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><u></u><u></u></sp=
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t;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">a fun video=
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margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>DO YOU =
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;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">1934 Chrysler Airflow Goes Over The Cliff<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-famil=
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en they put on safety demos back in the day, supervised, they=C2=A0stated, =
by &quot;hard boiled&quot; State Troopers. =C2=A0(Road &amp; Track)<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
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lvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I wonder how today&#39;s =
car would hold up under the same tests? BTW, we=C2=A0have one of these Airf=
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1934 =E2=80=93 1937 and sold by both DeSoto and=C2=A0Chrysler. They never s=
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Seat belts were not universal. On my 1957 Ford, they were an option for =
$5.40  EACH Plus $1.85 for the brackets.

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John Sims

Aberdeen, NJ

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www.healey6.com

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From: i erbs [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 4:22 PM
To: John Sims
Cc: Ahealey help
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be =
built this sturdy

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Ira Erbs

Portland,OR

1959 BN4 100-6

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John Sims

Aberdeen, NJ

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www.healey6.com

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Seat belts were not universal. On my 1957 Ford, =
they were an option for $5.40 =C2=A0EACH Plus $1.85 for the =
brackets.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>John Sims<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Aberdeen, NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>www.healey6.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
i erbs [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January =
28, 2016 4:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Sims<br><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey =
help<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't =
today's cars be built this sturdy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>with no =
seat belts either....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ira Erbs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Portland,OR<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1959 BN4 100-6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>with BT7 engine and disk =
brakes.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, =
Jan 28, 2016 at 1:19 PM, John Sims &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
name=3D"565489558__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Also what is interesting to me is the =
=E2=80=9Chelmet=E2=80=9D that the driver wore when he rolled the car!! =
That took guts</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'>John =
Sims</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Aberdeen, NJ</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif"'><a =
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target=3D"_blank">www.healey6.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Black","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>i erbs<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 28, 2016 3:25 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Ahealey help<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] 1934 Chrysler =
Airflow...why can't today's cars be built this =
sturdy</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:&nbsp;=
1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be built this =
sturdy?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>a fun =
video...watch until the end!</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>DO YOU =
THINK OUR CARS OF TODAY COULD PASS THESE TESTS =
?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>1934 Chrysler =
Airflow Goes Over The Cliff</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>And Drives =
Away=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Wow, when =
they put on safety demos back in the day, supervised, they&nbsp;stated, =
by &quot;hard boiled&quot; State Troopers. &nbsp;(Road &amp; =
Track)</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I wonder how =
today's car would hold up under the same tests? BTW, we&nbsp;have one of =
these Airflows at the Sacramento Auto Museum. They were<br>only made for =
four years, 1934 =E2=80=93 1937 and sold by both DeSoto =
and&nbsp;Chrysler. They never sold as well as the manufacturer wanted. =
People<br>just weren=E2=80=99t ready for the new futuristic =
design.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><=
o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><=
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;</span><=
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><a =
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page" target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"https://www.youtube.com/embed/bFl5pEe-7uo?feature=3Dplayer_detai=
lpage">https://www.youtube.com/embed/bFl5pEe-7uo?feature=3Dplayer_detailp=
age</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></=
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Erbs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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100-6<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>with BT7 =
engine and disk =
brakes.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
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Wow, but disappointing not to see a test of the suicide doors. I wonder =
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Just as well they do not build them like that any more. This car would 
be lethal in an collision as it does not crumple up to absorb the blow 
or G-forces to the occupants. Note that there are no passengers when the 
car is pushed of the cliff!!!! Very unlikely that an occupant would have 
avoided death or very serious injury.
Modern cars have good crumple zones (plus multiple airbags and 3-point 
seatbelts that tighten at an impact) protecting occupants fairly well. 
They would have escaped the same drop with no or little injury. I would 
rather have a crumpled car that is totalled than a crumpled body.
The overturning of the car is not at all that dangerous to the occupants 
when wearing seatbelts, as the driver was. There is no 
deceleration/G-force to speak of. The driver just gets dizzy. It looks 
rather spectacular, that is why these kind of overturns are loved by 
stuntmen in films.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 28-1-2016 om 21:24 schreef i erbs:
>>>>> *Subject: **1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can't today's cars be 
>>>>> built this sturdy?*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Drives Away…
>>>>>>>> I wonder how today's car would hold up under the same tests? 
>>>>>>>> BTW, we have one of these Airflows at the Sacramento Auto 
>>>>>>>> Museum. They were
>>>>>>>> only made for four years, 1934 – 1937 and sold by both DeSoto 
>>>>>>>> just weren’t ready for the new futuristic design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/embed/bFl5pEe-7uo?feature=player_detailpage 
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      like that any more. This car would be lethal in an collision as it
      does not crumple up to absorb the blow or G-forces to the
      occupants. Note that there are no passengers when the car is
      pushed of the cliff!!!! Very unlikely that an occupant would have
      avoided death or very serious injury.<br>
      Modern cars have good crumple zones (plus multiple airbags and
      3-point seatbelts that tighten at an impact) protecting occupants
      fairly well. They would have escaped the same drop with no or
      little injury. I would rather have a crumpled car that is totalled
      than a crumpled body.<br>
      The overturning of the car is not at all that dangerous to the
      occupants when wearing seatbelts, as the driver was. There is no
      deceleration/G-force to speak of. The driver just gets dizzy. It
      looks rather spectacular, that is why these kind of overturns are
      loved by stuntmen in films.<br>
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                                        1934 Chrysler Airflow Goes Over
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                                        Wow, when they put on safety
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                                        I wonder how today's car would
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                                        BTW, we have one of these
                                        Airflows at the Sacramento Auto
                                        Museum. They were<br>
                                        only made for four years, 1934 –
                                        1937 and sold by both DeSoto
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>>DO YOU THINK OUR CARS OF TODAY COULD PASS THESE TESTS ?
Sure, you want to put the Chrysler's drum brakes and skinny nylon tires up
against my car's 4 wheel disc brakes, low profile tires, 4 wheel ABS,
traction control, and stability control?  Bring it on buddy.  Prepare to
get your ass handed to you.
>>And after the rollover the doors still open
Yeah including the one that flew open during the rollover that ejected all
the back seat passengers, killing them.  Also did you notice that besides
being a slow speed rollover, it was on soft dirt?  Way to stack the deck
there Chrysler.  Here let's compare to a real rollover test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D42emZ9C2j4I (Rollover test starts at 1:30=
)
 What to put your Airflow on that crash sled?
I love it when somebody comes up with the they don't build them like they
used to.  My response is Thank God for that.  While fun to look at, and
neat to tinker with, they were by comparison giant POS.
Rick

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;&gt;<span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif;font-size:12pt">DO YOU THINK OUR CARS OF TODAY COULD PASS THESE TESTS ?=
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
">=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif;font-size:12pt">Sure, you want to put the Chrysler&#39;s drum brakes a=
nd skinny nylon tires up against my car&#39;s 4 wheel disc brakes, low prof=
ile tires, 4 wheel ABS, traction control, and stability control?=C2=A0 Brin=
g it on buddy.=C2=A0 Prepare to get your ass handed to you.</span></div><di=
v><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">&gt=
;&gt;And after the rollover the doors still open</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Yeah including=
 the one that flew open during the rollover that ejected all the back seat =
passengers, killing them.=C2=A0 Also did you notice that besides being a sl=
ow speed rollover, it was on soft dirt?=C2=A0 Way to stack the deck there C=
hrysler.=C2=A0 Here let&#39;s compare to a real rollover test: =C2=A0</span=
><font face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:16px"=
><a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D42emZ9C2j4I">https://www.yout=
ube.com/watch?v=3D42emZ9C2j4I</a> (Rollover test starts at 1:30) =C2=A0What=
 to put your Airflow on that crash sled?</span></font></div><div><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">I love it when =
somebody comes up with the they don&#39;t build them like they used to.=C2=
=A0 My response is Thank God for that.=C2=A0 While fun to look at, and neat=
 to tinker with, they were by comparison giant POS.</span><font face=3D"Hel=
vetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:16px"><br></span></font=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size=
:16px">Rick</span></div><div><font face=3D"Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:16px"><br></span></font></div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:24 PM,=
 i erbs <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
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dir=3D"ltr"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=
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lvetica"><b>Subject:=C2=A0</b></span><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica">=
<b>1934 Chrysler Airflow...why can&#39;t today&#39;s cars be built this stu=
rdy?</b><br></span></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margi=
n:0px"><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica"><font color=3D"#000000"><br></=
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le=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br>DO YOU THI=
NK OUR CARS OF TODAY COULD PASS THESE TESTS ?<br><div><br></div>1934 Chrysl=
er Airflow Goes Over The Cliff<br><div><br></div>And Drives Away=E2=80=A6<b=
r><div><br></div><br>Wow, when they put on safety demos back in the day, su=
pervised, they=C2=A0stated, by &quot;hard boiled&quot; State Troopers. =C2=
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e Sacramento Auto Museum. They were<br>only made for four years, 1934 =E2=
=80=93 1937 and sold by both DeSoto and=C2=A0Chrysler. They never sold as w=
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