Subject: [Healeys] BJ8 Brakes

From: "Roger Grace" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:48:40 -0700

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At my wits end with this problem  ...

The brakes on my BJ8 have always been hard and bit well with little =
pedal movement.

Changed  out the front callipers (to 4 pot) and the problems started.

After repeated bleeding on first push,  pedal went to the floor.

After 2/3 pumps the pedal came right up and held.  After about 30 secs =
of no pressure on pedal  goes to the floor again.

Pistons are all in contact with pads and pads with disc; all looks good =
at callipers.

Suspecting a faulty MC changed it out.

Primed the new MC with fluid prior to installing.

Same story after another 1.5 pints of DOT 4 fluid focusing mainly on =
bleeding front callipers and booster (new);  also bled rear drums.

Pedal still goes to the floor on first pump and comes up after pumping =
as before.

No visible leaks and inlet from reservoir shows no leaks: tapped =
callipers with mallet to dislodge any air pockets.

I am using the one man bleed system a with clear tube into a container =
and close the bleeder valve  with no visible air at nipple and full tube =
of fluid to container. BTW also changed clutch MC at same time and no =
problems with bleeding etc.

Have now run about 1.5 pints of fluid through the new MC -  perhaps am =
being  too impatient ? =20

But no evidence of any air after about 0.5 pint. Typically how much =
fluid is required to clear air from MC and lines ?

Now sort or suspecting the inlet to MC from reservoir but for life of me =
cannot see how air can get in with no visible fluid leaks,

Any ideas from the more AH experienced listers appreciated.

rg

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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
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face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">At my wits end with this =
problem=20
<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>...</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The brakes on my BJ8 have =
always been=20
hard and bit well with little pedal movement.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Changed <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>out the front callipers (to 4 =
pot) and=20
the problems started.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">After repeated bleeding =
on first=20
push,<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>pedal went to the=20
floor.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">After 2/3 pumps the pedal =
came right=20
up and held.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>After about =
30 secs of=20
no pressure on pedal <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>goes =
to the=20
floor again.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Pistons are all in =
contact with pads=20
and pads with disc; all looks good at callipers.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Suspecting a faulty MC =
changed it=20
out.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Primed the new MC with =
fluid prior to=20
installing.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Same story after another =
1.5 pints of=20
DOT 4 fluid focusing mainly on bleeding front callipers and booster =
(new); <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>also bled rear =
drums.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Pedal still goes to the =
floor on=20
first pump and comes up after pumping as before.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">No visible leaks and =
inlet from=20
reservoir shows no leaks: tapped callipers with mallet to dislodge any =
air=20
pockets.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I am using the one man =
bleed system a=20
with clear tube into a container and close the bleeder valve <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>with no visible air at nipple =
and full=20
tube of fluid to container. BTW also changed clutch MC at same time and =
no=20
problems with bleeding etc.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Have now run about 1.5 =
pints of fluid=20
through the new MC - <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>perhaps am=20
being <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>too impatient ? =
</FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">But no evidence of any =
air after=20
about 0.5 pint. Typically how much fluid is required to clear air from =
MC and=20
lines ?</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Now sort or suspecting =
the inlet to=20
MC from reservoir but for life of me cannot see how air can get in with =
no=20
visible fluid leaks,</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Any ideas from the more =
AH=20
experienced listers appreciated.</FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 6pt; LINE-HEIGHT: =
13pt"><FONT=20
face=3DCalibri><FONT=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt">rg</FONT></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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