Subject: Re: [Healeys] LED lights

From: Oudesluys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:02:05 +0200

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When using LED lights in especially flashers all connections and very 
importantly the earth connections should be absolutely bloody perfect.
Any residue currents will cause problems like this.
These small currents with low voltages would not have any effect on 
Tungsten or Halogen bulbs but can play havoc in systems with aftermarket 
LED lights.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 9-7-2016 om 0:21 schreef [email-masked]:
> Just replaced my running/signal lights with LED bulbs and my flasher 
> with an LED flasher.
> Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to neutral the 
> signal light on the dash continues to flash although with a slightly 
> weaker light-the actual signal lights are not on when this is happening.
> Any ideas what is going on here?
> Carl
> 1957 100/6L
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">When using LED lights in especially
      flashers all connections and very importantly the earth
      connections should be absolutely bloody perfect.<br>
      Any residue currents will cause problems like this.<br>
      These small currents with low voltages would not have any effect
      on Tungsten or Halogen bulbs but can play havoc in systems with
      aftermarket LED lights.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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      Op 9-7-2016 om 0:21 schreef <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>:<br>
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          <div>Just replaced my running/signal lights with LED bulbs and
            my flasher with an LED flasher.</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to
            neutral the signal light on the dash continues to flash
            although with a slightly weaker light-the actual signal
            lights are not on when this is happening.</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>Any ideas what is going on here?</div>
          <div> </div>
          <div>Carl</div>
          <div>1957 100/6L</div>
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From: Al Malin <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 21:47:48 -0400

Here is a decent video on replacing incandescent with LED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLY6IYeqcI

Al Malin
Tricarb

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
> 
> Just replaced my running/signal lights with LED bulbs and my flasher with an LED flasher.
>  
> Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to neutral the signal light on the dash continues to flash although with a slightly weaker light-the actual signal lights are not on when this is happening.
>  
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From: Fred Wescoe <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 23:12:31 -0400

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Carl,

It sounds as though you are using the Moss Motors flasher, the one with the
ground pigtail on it.  Go to NAPA and purchase the electronic flasher they
sell, without the ground pigtail, and this will solve your problem.

I had the same issue with my conversion until I switched to the non
grounded flasher.  The LED bulb uses such a small amount of power, the
ground wire allows the dash light to blink.  Moss in fact will tell you to
use the original bulb, not the LED.  The reason is the original bulb takes
more power than the LED and so the original bulb will not blink.

NAPA only sells 2 kinds of electronic flashers, one with and one without
the pigtail.  The flasher is not behind the counter, it is just in one of
the isles.

Good luck.

Fred

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:21 PM, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to neutral the signal
> light on the dash continues to flash although with a slightly weaker
> light-the actual signal lights are not on when this is happening.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Carl,<br><br></div>It sounds as t=
hough you are using the Moss Motors flasher, the one with the ground pigtai=
l on it.=C2=A0 Go to NAPA and purchase the electronic flasher they sell, wi=
thout the ground pigtail, and this will solve your problem.<br><br></div>I =
had the same issue with my conversion until I switched to the non grounded =
flasher.=C2=A0 The LED bulb uses such a small amount of power, the ground w=
ire allows the dash light to blink.=C2=A0 Moss in fact will tell you to use=
 the original bulb, not the LED.=C2=A0 The reason is the original bulb take=
s more power than the LED and so the original bulb will not blink.<br></div=
><div><br></div>NAPA only sells 2 kinds of electronic flashers, one with an=
d one without the pigtail.=C2=A0 The flasher is not behind the counter, it =
is just in one of the isles.<br><br></div>Good luck.<br><br></div>Fred<br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul =
8, 2016 at 6:21 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ruvino@ripnet.=
com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;COLOR:#000000">
<div>Just replaced my running/signal lights with LED bulbs and my flasher w=
ith=20
an LED flasher.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to neutral the si=
gnal=20
light on the dash continues to flash although with a slightly weaker light-=
the=20
actual signal lights are not on when this is happening.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Any ideas what is going on here?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Carl</div>
<div>1957 100/6L</div></div></div></div>
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From: i erbs <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:16:01 -0700

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Thanks, mine does the same thing since the led conversion

Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
please forgive odd words and auto corrects as   my phone cannot understand
my misspellings
On Jul 10, 2016 10:15 PM, "Fred Wescoe" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Carl,
>
> It sounds as though you are using the Moss Motors flasher, the one with
> the ground pigtail on it.  Go to NAPA and purchase the electronic flasher
> they sell, without the ground pigtail, and this will solve your problem.
>
>> signal light on the dash continues to flash although with a slightly weaker
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Thanks, mine does the same thing since the led conversion </=
p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR<br>
1959 Austin Healey 100-6<br>
please forgive odd words and auto corrects as=C2=A0=C2=A0 my phone cannot u=
nderstand my misspellings </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jul 10, 2016 10:15 PM, &quot;Fred Wescoe&quot=
; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><div><div><div><div>Carl,<br><br></div>It sounds as though you are=
 using the Moss Motors flasher, the one with the ground pigtail on it.=C2=
=A0 Go to NAPA and purchase the electronic flasher they sell, without the g=
round pigtail, and this will solve your problem.<br><br></div>I had the sam=
e issue with my conversion until I switched to the non grounded flasher.=C2=
=A0 The LED bulb uses such a small amount of power, the ground wire allows =
the dash light to blink.=C2=A0 Moss in fact will tell you to use the origin=
al bulb, not the LED.=C2=A0 The reason is the original bulb takes more powe=
r than the LED and so the original bulb will not blink.<br></div><div><br><=
/div>NAPA only sells 2 kinds of electronic flashers, one with and one witho=
ut the pigtail.=C2=A0 The flasher is not behind the counter, it is just in =
one of the isles.<br><br></div>Good luck.<br><br></div>Fred<br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at =
6:21 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;COLOR:#000000">
<div>Just replaced my running/signal lights with LED bulbs and my flasher w=
ith=20
an LED flasher.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to neutral the si=
gnal=20
light on the dash continues to flash although with a slightly weaker light-=
the=20
actual signal lights are not on when this is happening.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Any ideas what is going on here?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Carl</div>
<div>1957 100/6L</div></div></div></div>
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Portland,OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6
please forgive odd words and auto corrects as=C2=A0=C2=A0 my phone cannot u=
nderstand my misspellings On Jul 10, 2016 10:15 PM, "Fred Wescoe" <fredwesc=
[email-masked]> wrote:

Carl,

It sounds as though you are using the Moss Motors flasher, the one with the=
 ground pigtail on it.=C2=A0 Go to NAPA and purchase the electronic flasher=
 they sell, without the ground pigtail, and this will solve your problem.

I had the same issue with my conversion until I switched to the non grounde=
d flasher.=C2=A0 The LED bulb uses such a small amount of power, the ground=
 wire allows the dash light to blink.=C2=A0 Moss in fact will tell you to u=
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NAPA only sells 2 kinds of electronic flashers, one with and one without th=
e pigtail.=C2=A0 The flasher is not behind the counter, it is just in one o=
f the isles.

Good luck.

Fred

Just replaced my running/signal lights with LED bulbs and my flasher with a=
n LED flasher.=C2=A0Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to=
 neutral the signal light on the dash continues to flash although with a sl=
ightly weaker light-the actual signal lights are not on when this is happen=
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_7261"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468302705431_7893"> They hav=
e LED lamps that are direct replacements for tail/stop and flasher bulbs th=
at fit into the same receptacles that 1157 and 1156 bulbs do.&nbsp; They al=
so sell positive and negative applications including flasher units designed=
 for positive and negative systems.&nbsp; I have these bulbs on my Bugeye a=
nd my Harley Davidson.&nbsp;&nbsp; Big improvement.&nbsp; No financial inte=
rest, yada, yada, yada.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">P.S. just one more thing, use a white LED behind a red tail light len=
s.&nbsp; If you use a red LED you will hardly see the light at all.&nbsp; T=
his was told to me by these guys and they were right.&nbsp; Don't ask me ho=
w I know this.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1468302705431_7260"><s=
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On Sunday, July 10, 2016 11:16 PM, i erbs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote=
:<br></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, =
255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div=
 class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv0366023483"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank=
s, mine does the same thing since the led conversion </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Mr. Ira Erbs<br>
Portland,OR<br>
1959 Austin Healey 100-6<br>
please forgive odd words and auto corrects as&nbsp;&nbsp; my phone cannot u=
nderstand my misspellings </div>
<div class=3D"yiv0366023483gmail_quote">On Jul 10, 2016 10:15 PM, "Fred Wes=
coe" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
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<div><div><div><div><div>Carl,<br><br></div>It sounds as though you are usi=
ng the Moss Motors flasher, the one with the ground pigtail on it.&nbsp; Go=
 to NAPA and purchase the electronic flasher they sell, without the ground =
pigtail, and this will solve your problem.<br><br></div>I had the same issu=
e with my conversion until I switched to the non grounded flasher.&nbsp; Th=
e LED bulb uses such a small amount of power, the ground wire allows the da=
sh light to blink.&nbsp; Moss in fact will tell you to use the original bul=
b, not the LED.&nbsp; The reason is the original bulb takes more power than=
 the LED and so the original bulb will not blink.<br></div><div><br></div>N=
APA only sells 2 kinds of electronic flashers, one with and one without the=
 pigtail.&nbsp; The flasher is not behind the counter, it is just in one of=
 the isles.<br><br></div>Good luck.<br><br></div>Fred<br></div><div class=
=3D"yiv0366023483gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"yiv0366023483gmail_quote">O=
n Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:21 PM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:ruvino=
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cc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;COLOR:#000000;">
<div>Just replaced my running/signal lights with LED bulbs and my flasher w=
ith=20
an LED flasher.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Works fine except after the trafficator has returned to neutral the si=
gnal=20
light on the dash continues to flash although with a slightly weaker light-=
the=20
actual signal lights are not on when this is happening.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Any ideas what is going on here?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Carl</div>
<div>1957 100/6L</div></div></div></div>
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