Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil

From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 21:38:26 -0400

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Talking of oil here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear
that is opening some eyes!!!
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32471

Certainly has me wondering...
M

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:

> We never talk about oil, so ....
>
> Anybody use this stuff?
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-
> 20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M
>
> This is the best price I've seen on (I assume it's) decent 20W-50 (and I
> just bought 3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + shipping).
>
> Bob
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Talking of oil here is an interesting art=
icle...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that is opening some eyes!!!<br><a href=
=3D"http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&amp;t=3D32471" target=3D=
"_blank">http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&amp;t=3D32471</a><b=
r><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms=
,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly has me wondering...<br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:small">M<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcas=
t.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>We never talk ab=
out oil, so ....</div><div><br></div><div>Anybody use this stuff?</div><div=
><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performan=
ce-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/=
<wbr>Kendall-1057267-Performance-<wbr>20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M</a></di=
v><div><br></div><div>This is the best price I&#39;ve seen on (I assume it&=
#39;s) decent 20W-50 (and I just bought 3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + s=
hipping).</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div><div><br></div><div><span name=
=3D"x"></span>------------------------------<wbr>--<br>Bob Spidell - San Jo=
se, CA<span name=3D"x"></span><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br>____=
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Interesting, but he completely missed the point that a fundamental part of m=
ost flat tappet engine (BMC A, B, or C series) builds that I know of, is lib=
eral application of your favorite "cam lube" on the cam lobes, followers etc=
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So the break in/ run in oil is less of an issue in that first 5 - 10 seconds=
 of start up, because the cam lube is on the cam before the oil pump even st=
arts turning...=20

Best
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> http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&t=3D32471
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Interesti=
ng, but he completely missed the point that a fundamental part of most flat t=
appet engine (BMC A, B, or C series) builds that I know of, is liberal appli=
cation of your favorite "cam lube" on the cam lobes, followers etc.&nbsp;</d=
iv><div>Which is usually a molybdenum disulphide based grease based.&nbsp;</=
div><div>E.g.&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://iskycams.com/cart/index.php?main_page=3D=
product_info&amp;products_id=3D1809">http://iskycams.com/cart/index.php?main=
_page=3Dproduct_info&amp;products_id=3D1809</a></div><div>So the break in/ r=
un in oil is less of an issue in that first 5 - 10 seconds of start up, beca=
use the cam lube is on the cam before the oil pump even starts turning...&nb=
sp;<br><br><div>Best</div></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Chris&nbsp;</=
div><div><br>On 27 Aug 2016, at 11:38 AM, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Talking o=
f oil here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that is o=
pening some eyes!!!<br><a href=3D"http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=
=3D1&amp;t=3D32471" target=3D"_blank">http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.p=
hp?f=3D1&amp;t=3D32471</a><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly has me wond=
ering...<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Bob Spidel=
l <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><di=
v>We never talk about oil, so ....</div><div><br></div><div>Anybody use this=
 stuff?</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1=
057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M" target=3D"_blank">https://=
www.amazon.com/<wbr>Kendall-1057267-Performance-<wbr>20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004=
RNSO2M</a></div><div><br></div><div>This is the best price I've seen on (I a=
ssume it's) decent 20W-50 (and I just bought 3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt=
 + shipping).</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div><div><br></div><div><span na=
me=3D"x"></span>------------------------------<wbr>--<br>Bob Spidell - San J=
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 09:36:37 -0700

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Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long thread on 
the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he got from you):

http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc

This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html

This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's engine 
in the near future.  I've run it on off-the-shelf dino 20W-50--Castrol, 
Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K miles so it will be 
interesting to see what the internals look like now (also want to see 
what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has caused in the intake system).  
#2 has low compression and we'll see if cam lobe wear is the cause.

Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS assembly 
lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down the pushrod 
tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll use assembly lube 
on the cam and all moving surfaces)?

Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which they say 
is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated 
internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes. I'll probably also 
go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom to supply 
yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.

I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on engine 
assembly and break-in.  I'm going all-in on this rebuild--it'll be the 
last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants a friend of his who owns a 
racing engine shop to do the major work ($$$).

Bob

On 8/27/2016 2:31 AM, Chris Dimmock wrote:
> Interesting, but he completely missed the point that a fundamental 
> part of most flat tappet engine (BMC A, B, or C series) builds that I 
> know of, is liberal application of your favorite "cam lube" on the cam 
> lobes, followers etc.
> Which is usually a molybdenum disulphide based grease based.
> E.g. 
> http://iskycams.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1809
> So the break in/ run in oil is less of an issue in that first 5 - 10 
> seconds of start up, because the cam lube is on the cam before the oil 
> pump even starts turning...
>
> Best
> Chris
>
> On 27 Aug 2016, at 11:38 AM, Michael Salter <[email-masked] 
>
>> Talking of oil here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on 
>> lifter wear that is opening some eyes!!!
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked] 
>>
>>     https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M
>>     <https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M>
>>
>>     This is the best price I've seen on (I assume it's) decent 20W-50
>>     (and I just bought 3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + shipping).
>>
>>     Bob
>>

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    <p>Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long
      thread on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he
      got from you):</p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc">http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc</a><br>
    </p>
    <p>This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:</p>
    <p>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html">http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html</a></p>
    <p>This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's
      engine in the near future.  I've run it on off-the-shelf dino
      20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K
      miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look
      like now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve
      has caused in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and
      we'll see if cam lobe wear is the cause.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS
      assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down
      the pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll
      use assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?</p>
    <p>Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which
      they say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is
      lubricated internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes. 
      I'll probably also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole
      on the bottom to supply yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.</p>
    <p>I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on
      engine assembly and break-in.  I'm going all-in on this
      rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants
      a friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work
      ($$$).<br>
    </p>
    <p>Bob<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2016 2:31 AM, Chris Dimmock
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Interesting, but he completely missed the point that a
          fundamental part of most flat tappet engine (BMC A, B, or C
          series) builds that I know of, is liberal application of your
          favorite "cam lube" on the cam lobes, followers etc. </div>
        <div>Which is usually a molybdenum disulphide based grease
          based. </div>
        <div>E.g. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://iskycams.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=1809">http://iskycams.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=1809</a></div>
        <div>So the break in/ run in oil is less of an issue in that
          first 5 - 10 seconds of start up, because the cam lube is on
          the cam before the oil pump even starts turning... <br>
          <br>
          <div>Best</div>
        </div>
        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Chris </div>
        <div><br>
          On 27 Aug 2016, at 11:38 AM, Michael Salter &lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div>
            <div dir="ltr">
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
                ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Talking of oil here is an
                interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that
                is opening some eyes!!!<br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=32471"
                  target="_blank">http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=32471</a><br>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
                ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly has me
                wondering...<br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
                ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM,
                Bob Spidell <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
                wrote:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  <div>
                    <div
                      style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">
                      <div>We never talk about oil, so ....</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Anybody use this stuff?</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M"
                          target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/<wbr>Kendall-1057267-Performance-<wbr>20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M</a></div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>This is the best price I've seen on (I assume
                        it's) decent 20W-50 (and I just bought 3 cases
                        of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + shipping).</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Bob</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><span name="x"></span>------------------------------<wbr>--<br>
                        Bob Spidell - San Jose, CA<span name="x"></span><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <br>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
            </div>
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When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing 
surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first 
start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than idle 
the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed and 
load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the prescribed 
oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and filled up with 
fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate loads, oil and 
filter change after which speed and load were gradually increased until 
about 5000miles before full speed and load were applied. After a rebuild 
I never encountered any other wear issues on any engine. Some engines 
did more than 250.000 miles after that. The only thing that wore were 
the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and valves/seats.
This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a 
different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never 
went beyond the original procedure.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:
> in the near future.  I've run it on off-the-shelf dino 
> 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K miles 
> so it will be interesting to see what the internals look like now 
> (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has caused in 
> the intake system).  #2 has low compression and we'll see if cam lobe 
> wear is the cause.
>
> tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll use assembly 
> lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?
>
> Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which they 
> say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated 
> internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes.  I'll probably 
> also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom to 
> supply yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.
>
> I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on 
> engine assembly and break-in.  I'm going all-in on this rebuild--it'll 
> be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants a friend of his 
> who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work ($$$).
>
> Bob
>
>
>> know of, is liberal application of your favorite "cam lube" on the 
>> cam lobes, followers etc.
>> seconds of start up, because the cam lube is on the cam before the 
>> oil pump even starts turning...
>>
>> Best
>> Chris
>>
>>>     This is the best price I've seen on (I assume it's) decent
>>>     20W-50 (and I just bought 3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt +
>>>     shipping).
>>>
>>>     Bob
>>>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">When rebuilding engines I have always
      thickly coated the bearing surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite
      or Molybdenium grease. At first start up I disconnect the ignition
      until I have oil pressure, than idle the engine until warm after
      which I would drive at moderate speed and load for about 100miles.
      Never used running in oil , just the prescribed oil. Then drained
      the oil and fitted a new filter and filled up with fresh oil.
      Again another few thousand miles at moderate loads, oil and filter
      change after which speed and load were gradually increased until
      about 5000miles before full speed and load were applied. After a
      rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on any engine.
      Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The only
      thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and
      valves/seats.<br>
      This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a
      different approach, however even with engines that were raced I
      never went beyond the original procedure.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:[email-masked]"
      type="cite">
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      <p>Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long
        thread on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he
        got from you):</p>
      <p><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc">http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc</a><br>
      </p>
      <p>This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:</p>
      <p>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html">http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html</a></p>
      <p>This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's
        engine in the near future.  I've run it on off-the-shelf dino
        20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K
        miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look
        like now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve
        has caused in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and
        we'll see if cam lobe wear is the cause.<br>
      </p>
      <p>Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS
        assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle
        down the pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of
        course, I'll use assembly lube on the cam and all moving
        surfaces)?</p>
      <p>Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which
        they say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is
        lubricated internally and supplies a stream of oil to the
        lobes.  I'll probably also go with their bucket lifters which
        have a hole on the bottom to supply yet more oil to the
        lifter-lobe surfaces.</p>
      <p>I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences
        on engine assembly and break-in.  I'm going all-in on this
        rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad
        wants a friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the
        major work ($$$).<br>
      </p>
      <p>Bob<br>
      </p>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2016 2:31 AM, Chris Dimmock
        wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote
        cite="mid:[email-masked]"
        type="cite">
        <div><span></span></div>
        <div>
          <div>Interesting, but he completely missed the point that a
            fundamental part of most flat tappet engine (BMC A, B, or C
            series) builds that I know of, is liberal application of
            your favorite "cam lube" on the cam lobes, followers etc. </div>
          <div>Which is usually a molybdenum disulphide based grease
            based. </div>
          <div>E.g. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://iskycams.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=1809">http://iskycams.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=1809</a></div>
          <div>So the break in/ run in oil is less of an issue in that
            first 5 - 10 seconds of start up, because the cam lube is on
            the cam before the oil pump even starts turning... <br>
            <br>
            <div>Best</div>
          </div>
          <div id="AppleMailSignature">Chris </div>
          <div><br>
            On 27 Aug 2016, at 11:38 AM, Michael Salter &lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
            <br>
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                <div class="gmail_default">Talking of oil here is an
                  interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that
                  is opening some eyes!!!<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=32471"
                    target="_blank">http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=32471</a><br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_default">Certainly has me wondering...<br>
                </div>
                <div class="gmail_default">M<br>
                </div>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12
                  PM, Bob Spidell <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                      <div>
                        <div>We never talk about oil, so ....</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Anybody use this stuff?</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M"
                            target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/<wbr>Kendall-1057267-Performance-<wbr>20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M</a></div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>This is the best price I've seen on (I
                          assume it's) decent 20W-50 (and I just bought
                          3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + shipping).</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Bob</div>
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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
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Thanks, Kees.

I'm hearing/reading everywhere that the proper procedure for bedding-in 
cams and lifters is to run at 2,000 RPM give-or-take for 20 minutes.

bs

On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
> start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than 
> idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed 
> and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the 
> prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and 
> filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate 
> loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually 
> increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were 
> applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on 
> any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The 
> only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and 
> valves/seats.
>> Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long thread 
>> on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he got from you):
>>
>> This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's 
>> miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look like 
>> now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has caused 
>> in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and we'll see if cam 
>> lobe wear is the cause.
>>
>> Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS 
>> assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down the 
>> pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll use 
>> assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?
>>
>> rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants a 
>> friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work ($$$).
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>

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I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.

However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?

M

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]> wrote:

Thanks, Kees.

bs

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<html><head></head><body><p dir="auto">I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.<br>
However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?<br>
M<br></p>
<br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, "Bob Spidell" <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<br>

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<pre>Thanks, Kees.

bs

On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
&gt; When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing 
&gt; surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first 
&gt; start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than 
&gt; idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed 
&gt; and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the 
&gt; prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and 
&gt; filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate 
&gt; loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually 
&gt; increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were 
&gt; applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on 
&gt; any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The 
&gt; only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and 
&gt; valves/seats.
&gt; This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a 
&gt; different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never 
&gt; went beyond the original procedure.
&gt; Kees Oudesluijs
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long thread 
&gt;&gt; on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he got from you):
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's 
&gt;&gt; engine in the near future.  I've run it on off-the-shelf dino 
&gt;&gt; 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K 
&gt;&gt; miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look like 
&gt;&gt; now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has caused 
&gt;&gt; in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and we'll see if cam 
&gt;&gt; lobe wear is the cause.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS 
&gt;&gt; assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down the 
&gt;&gt; pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll use 
&gt;&gt; assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which they 
&gt;&gt; say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated 
&gt;&gt; internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes.  I'll probably 
&gt;&gt; also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom to 
&gt;&gt; supply yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on 
&gt;&gt; engine assembly and break-in.  I'm going all-in on this 
&gt;&gt; rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants a 
&gt;&gt; friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work ($$$).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bob
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;

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"... why the 2000 RPM?"

Good question.  Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plenty of 
oil splashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle.  I'll 
take a SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up the valve springs 
to apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes and lifters, to 'finish 
machine' them together.   Sort of like--esp. for aircraft piston 
engines--you need high BMEP to bed the rings.

bs

On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
>
> I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary 
> to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.
> However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of 
> oil whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?
> M
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, "Bob Spidell" 
>
>     Thanks, Kees.
>
>     Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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    <p>Good question.  Only explanation I've ever seen is you need
      plenty of oil splashing around but, as you said, there would be at
      idle.  I'll take a SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up
      the valve springs to apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes
      and lifters, to 'finish machine' them together.   Sort of
      like--esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP to bed
      the rings.</p>
    <p>bs<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM,
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      <p dir="auto">I have also always done that, in the belief that the
        RPM was necessary to ensure that lots of oil was splashing
        around.<br>
        However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be
        tons of oil whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000
        RPM?<br>
        M<br>
      </p>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400,
        "Bob Spidell" <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
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            <pre>Thanks, Kees.

bs

&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc">http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc</a>
&gt;&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html">http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html</a>

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Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of engine an=
d he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and is so that the lift=
ers do not only have to go up and down but spin around in their bore. At lo=
wer RPM they may not turn enough and it is also not recommended to go above=
 2000 RPM as the engine is not under load.

Jean

________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Bob Spidell <bs=
[email-masked]>
Sent: August 28, 2016 2:56 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil

"... why the 2000 RPM?"

Good question.  Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plenty of oil s=
plashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle.  I'll take a SWAG=
 that maybe you need some revs to load up the valve springs to apply suffic=
ient pressure to the came lobes and lifters, to 'finish machine' them toget=
her.   Sort of like--esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP t=
o bed the rings.

bs

com> wrote:

I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary to e=
nsure that lots of oil was splashing around.
However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil =
whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?
M

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]<=
mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:

Thanks, Kees.

bs

On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
>> http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interestin=
g-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc
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<p>Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of engine=
 and he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and is so that the l=
ifters do not only have to go up and down but spin around in their bore. At=
 lower RPM they may not turn enough
 and it is also not recommended to go above 2000 RPM as the engine is not u=
nder load.
<br>
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<p>Jean<br>
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]=
et&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> August 28, 2016 2:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Oil</font>
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<p>&quot;... why the 2000 RPM?&quot;</p>
<p>Good question.&nbsp; Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plenty =
of oil splashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle.&nbsp; I'l=
l take a SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up the valve springs to=
 apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes
 and lifters, to 'finish machine' them together.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sort of like--=
esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP to bed the rings.</p>
<p>bs<br>
</p>
<br>
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<p dir=3D"auto">I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM wa=
s necessary to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.<br>
However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil =
whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?<br>
M<br>
</p>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, &quot;Bob=
 Spidell&quot; <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comc=
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<pre>Thanks, Kees.=0A=
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I'm hearing/reading everywhere that the proper procedure for bedding-in =0A=
cams and lifters is to run at 2,000 RPM give-or-take for 20 minutes.=0A=
=0A=
bs=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:=0A=
&gt; When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing =0A=
&gt; surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first=
 =0A=
&gt; start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than =0A=
&gt; idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed=
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&gt; and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the =0A=
&gt; prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and =0A=
&gt; filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate=
 =0A=
&gt; loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually=
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&gt; increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were =0A=
&gt; applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on =
=0A=
&gt; any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The =
=0A=
&gt; only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and =0A=
&gt; valves/seats.=0A=
&gt; This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a =0A=
&gt; different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never =
=0A=
&gt; went beyond the original procedure.=0A=
&gt; Kees Oudesluijs=0A=
&gt;=0A=
&gt;=0A=
&gt; Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:=0A=
&gt;&gt;=0A=
&gt;&gt; Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long threa=
d =0A=
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you):=0A=
&gt;&gt;=0A=
&gt;&gt; <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.britishcarfo=
rum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-r=
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1-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc</a>=0A=
&gt;&gt;=0A=
&gt;&gt; This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:=0A=
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&gt;&gt; <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.corvetteforu=
m.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen=
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66544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html</a>=0A=
&gt;&gt;=0A=
&gt;&gt; This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's =
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&gt;&gt; 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K =
=0A=
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e =0A=
&gt;&gt; now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has cau=
sed =0A=
&gt;&gt; in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and we'll see if ca=
m =0A=
&gt;&gt; lobe wear is the cause.=0A=
&gt;&gt;=0A=
&gt;&gt; Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS =0A=
&gt;&gt; assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down =
the =0A=
&gt;&gt; pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll use=
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&gt;&gt; assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?=0A=
&gt;&gt;=0A=
&gt;&gt; Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which the=
y =0A=
&gt;&gt; say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated=
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Jean, although the 2000 RPM for 20 minutes may be an industry standard on
rebuilds I have visited a number of new car assembly plants including
Viper, Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally (first
time for the engine at least in the case of the MINI) and casually driven
to an inspection area  where they idle for a couple of minutes while
various systems are checked then to a storage area turned off...
I'm wondering if "industry standard" may be a different way of saying
"because that's what my mother did".:-)
I have actually run a few engines with the side covers off to check the
tappet rotation. In most cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate
and no amount of revving or trying to encourage them with long nose pliers
seems to make any difference.
M

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jean Caron <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of engine
> and he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and is so that the
> lifters do not only have to go up and down but spin around in their bore.
> At lower RPM they may not turn enough and it is also not recommended to go
> above 2000 RPM as the engine is not under load.
>
>
> Jean
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Bob Spidell
> <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* August 28, 2016 2:56 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Oil
>
>
> "... why the 2000 RPM?"
>
> Good question.  Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plenty of oil
> splashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle.  I'll take a
> SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up the valve springs to apply
> sufficient pressure to the came lobes and lifters, to 'finish machine' them
> together.   Sort of like--esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high
> BMEP to bed the rings.
>
> bs
>
> I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary to
> ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.
> However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]
> > wrote:
>
> Thanks, Kees.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Jean, although the 2000 RPM for 20 minute=
s may be an industry standard on rebuilds I have visited a number of new ca=
r assembly plants including Viper, Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there a=
re started normally (first time for the engine at least in the case of the =
MINI) and casually driven to an inspection area=C2=A0 where they idle for a=
 couple of minutes while various systems are checked then to a storage area=
 turned off... <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I&#39;m wondering if &quot;indust=
ry standard&quot; may be a different way of saying &quot;because that&#39;s=
 what my mother did&quot;.:-)<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have actually r=
un a few engines with the side covers off to check the tappet rotation. In =
most cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate and no amount of revv=
ing or trying to encourage them with long nose pliers seems to make any dif=
ference. <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jean C=
aron <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@h=
otmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p>Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of engine=
 and he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and is so that the l=
ifters do not only have to go up and down but spin around in their bore. At=
 lower RPM they may not turn enough
 and it is also not recommended to go above 2000 RPM as the engine is not u=
nder load.
<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Jean<br>
</p>
<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif=
" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-boun=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked].<wbr>net</=
a>&gt; on behalf of Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> August 28, 2016 2:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mi=
[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Oil</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<p>&quot;... why the 2000 RPM?&quot;</p><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p>Good question.=C2=A0 Only explanation I&#39;ve ever seen is you need ple=
nty of oil splashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle.=C2=A0=
 I&#39;ll take a SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up the valve sp=
rings to apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes
 and lifters, to &#39;finish machine&#39; them together.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sort o=
f like--esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP to bed the rin=
gs.</p>
<p>bs<br>
</p>
<br>
<div>On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">
[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<p dir=3D"auto">I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM wa=
s necessary to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.<br>
However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil =
whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?<br>
M<br>
</p>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, &quot;Bob=
 Spidell&quot; <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comc=
ast.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"3D&quot;ltr&quot;">
<pre>Thanks, Kees.

I&#39;m hearing/reading everywhere that the proper procedure for bedding-in=
=20
cams and lifters is to run at 2,000 RPM give-or-take for 20 minutes.

bs

On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
&gt; When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing=20
&gt; surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first=
=20
&gt; start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than=20
&gt; idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed=
=20
&gt; and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the=20
&gt; prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and=20
&gt; filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate=
=20
&gt; loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually=
=20
&gt; increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were=20
&gt; applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on=
=20
&gt; any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The=
=20
&gt; only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and=20
&gt; valves/seats.
&gt; This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a=20
&gt; different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never=
=20
&gt; went beyond the original procedure.
&gt; Kees Oudesluijs
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Don&#39;t know if you know it, Michael, but you &#39;started&#39; =
a long thread=20
&gt;&gt; on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he got from =
you):
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?10599=
1-Very-interesting-very-long-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.britishcarforum.<wbr>com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-<wbr>Ve=
ry-interesting-very-long-<wbr>blog-posting-racing-oil-and-<wbr>zinc</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This guy&#39;s research, while impressive, has been disputed here:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance=
/3266544-zinc-myth-and-test-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://www.corvetteforum.com/<wbr>forums/c3-tech-performance/<wbr>326654=
4-zinc-myth-and-test-<wbr>data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This is of major interest to me, as I&#39;ll be rebuilding my BJ8&=
#39;s=20
&gt;&gt; engine in the near future.  I&#39;ve run it on off-the-shelf dino=
=20
&gt;&gt; 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K=
=20
&gt;&gt; miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look lik=
e=20
&gt;&gt; now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has cau=
sed=20
&gt;&gt; in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and we&#39;ll see i=
f cam=20
&gt;&gt; lobe wear is the cause.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS=20
&gt;&gt; assembly lube way back when and I&#39;m tempted to pour a bottle d=
own the=20
&gt;&gt; pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I&#39;ll=
 use=20
&gt;&gt; assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Also, I&#39;m leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which=
 they=20
&gt;&gt; say is &#39;gun-drilled&#39; which, I presume, means the cam is lu=
bricated=20
&gt;&gt; internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes.  I&#39;ll pr=
obably=20
&gt;&gt; also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom =
to=20
&gt;&gt; supply yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I&#39;m interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences=
 on=20
&gt;&gt; engine assembly and break-in.  I&#39;m going all-in on this=20
&gt;&gt; rebuild--it&#39;ll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad w=
ants a=20
&gt;&gt; friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work (=
$$$).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bob
&gt;&gt;
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"...Viper, Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally..."

Maybe because they have them fancy OHCs, and not the barbaric flat 
tappet OHVs?

On 8/28/2016 12:10 PM, Michael Salter wrote:
> Jean, although the 2000 RPM for 20 minutes may be an industry standard 
> on rebuilds I have visited a number of new car assembly plants 
> including Viper, Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there are started 
> normally (first time for the engine at least in the case of the MINI) 
> and casually driven to an inspection area  where they idle for a 
> couple of minutes while various systems are checked then to a storage 
> area turned off...
> I have actually run a few engines with the side covers off to check 
> the tappet rotation. In most cases at least some of the tappets do not 
> rotate and no amount of revving or trying to encourage them with long 
> nose pliers seems to make any difference.
> M
>
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jean Caron 
> <[email-masked] 
>
>     Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of
>     engine and he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and
>     is so that the lifters do not only have to go up and down but spin
>     around in their bore. At lower RPM they may not turn enough and it
>     is also not recommended to go above 2000 RPM as the engine is not
>     under load.
>
>
>     //
>

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    <p>"...Viper, Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there are started
      normally..."</p>
    <p>Maybe because they have them fancy OHCs, and not the barbaric
      flat tappet OHVs?</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/28/2016 12:10 PM, Michael Salter
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:[email-masked]"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Jean, although the 2000 RPM for
          20 minutes may be an industry standard on rebuilds I have
          visited a number of new car assembly plants including Viper,
          Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally
          (first time for the engine at least in the case of the MINI)
          and casually driven to an inspection area  where they idle for
          a couple of minutes while various systems are checked then to
          a storage area turned off... <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm wondering if "industry
          standard" may be a different way of saying "because that's
          what my mother did".:-)<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have actually run a few
          engines with the side covers off to check the tappet rotation.
          In most cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate and
          no amount of revving or trying to encourage them with long
          nose pliers seems to make any difference. <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans
          ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br>
        </div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jean
          Caron <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
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                <p>Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still
                  rebuilding a lot of engine and he said that the 2000
                  rpm is an industry standard and is so that the lifters
                  do not only have to go up and down but spin around in
                  their bore. At lower RPM they may not turn enough and
                  it is also not recommended to go above 2000 RPM as the
                  engine is not under load.
                  <br>
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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 23:34:27 +0000 (UTC)

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This one interests me, I'm running a new cam and followed the 2000 for twen=
ty minutes rule.=20
I had occasion to inspect the back half of the engine lifters, and on some =
of them the oil wear pattern led me to believe that they weren't rotating.I=
 could be wrong, but it seems that if there's a rectangular pattern, then t=
he cam lobe is wiping the same area- if it was rotating the pattern would b=
e circular. I've been thinking about running the engine the way Michael des=
cribes, but given his experience-what's the point?The new car procedure (BM=
W, etc.) is describing cars that have quite different cam/ valve gear from =
our cars, though.
Stephen, BJ8

      From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
 To: Jean Caron <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
 Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil
  =20
Jean, although the 2000 RPM for 20 minutes may be an industry standard on r=
ebuilds I have visited a number of new car assembly plants including Viper,=
 Nissan and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally (first time fo=
r the engine at least in the case of the MINI) and casually driven to an in=
spection area=C2=A0 where they idle for a couple of minutes while various s=
ystems are checked then to a storage area turned off...=20
I'm wondering if "industry standard" may be a different way of saying "beca=
use that's what my mother did".:-)
I have actually run a few engines with the side covers off to check the tap=
pet rotation. In most cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate and =
no amount of revving or trying to encourage them with long nose pliers seem=
s to make any difference.=20
M

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@h=
otmail.com> wrote:

Jean

From: Healeys <[email-masked]. net> on behalf of Bob Spidell <b=
[email-masked]>
Sent: August 28, 2016 2:56 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil=C2=A0"... why the 2000 RPM?"Good question.=C2=A0=
 Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plenty of oil splashing around=
 but, as you said, there would be at idle.=C2=A0 I'll take a SWAG that mayb=
e you need some revs to load up the valve springs to apply sufficient press=
ure to the came lobes and lifters, to 'finish machine' them together.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Sort of like--esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP t=
o bed the rings.bs

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -0400, "Bob Spidell" <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:

Thanks, Kees.

I'm hearing/reading everywhere that the proper procedure for bedding-in=20
cams and lifters is to run at 2,000 RPM give-or-take for 20 minutes.

bs

On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
> When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing=20
> surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first=20
> start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than=20
> idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed=20
> and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the=20
> prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and=20
> filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate=20
> loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually=20
> increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were=20
> applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on=20
> any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The=20
> only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and=20
> valves/seats.
> This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a=20
> different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never=20
>> Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long thread=20
>> http://www.britishcarforum. com/bcf/showthread.php?105991- Very-interest=
ing-very-long- blog-posting-racing-oil-and- zinc
>> http://www.corvetteforum.com/ forums/c3-tech-performance/ 3266544-zinc-m=
yth-and-test- data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html
>>
>> This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's=20
>> engine in the near future.  I've run it on off-the-shelf dino=20
>> 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K=20
>> miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look like=20
>> now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has caused=20
>> in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and we'll see if cam=20
>> lobe wear is the cause.
>>
>> Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS=20
>> assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down the=20
>> pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll use=20
>> Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which they=20
>> say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated=20
>> internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes.  I'll probably=20
>> also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom to=20
>> I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on=20
>> engine assembly and break-in.  I'm going all-in on this=20
>> rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants a=20

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, =
sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4330"=
>This one interests me, I'm running a new cam and followed the 2000 for twe=
nty minutes rule. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4331=
">I had occasion to inspect the back half of the engine lifters, and on som=
e of them the oil wear pattern led me to believe that they weren't rotating=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4451">I could=
 be wrong, but it seems that if there's a rectangular pattern, then the cam=
 lobe is wiping the same area- if it was rotating the pattern would be circ=
ular. I've been thinking about running the engine the way Michael describes=
, but given his experience-what's the point?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym1=
9_1_1472426753259_4893" dir=3D"ltr">The new car procedure (BMW, etc.) is de=
scribing cars that have quite different cam/ valve gear from our cars, thou=
gh.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4931" dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4932" dir=3D"ltr">Stephen, =
BJ8<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4452"><span></span>=
</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4937" class=3D"qtdSeparate=
BR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_14=
72426753259_4941" class=3D"yahoo_quoted">  <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_147=
2426753259_4940" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helve=
tica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4939" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helve=
tica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> =
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4938" dir=3D"ltr"> <font id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4942" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D=
"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Salter &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To=
:</span></b> Jean Caron &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b=
r><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "[email-masked].=
net" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:10 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"f=
ont-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] Oil<br> </font> </div>=
 <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4946" class=3D"y_msg_container"=
><br><div id=3D"yiv1753197321"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4=
945"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4944" dir=3D"ltr"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4943" class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Jean, =
although the 2000 RPM for 20 minutes may be an industry standard on rebuild=
s I have visited a number of new car assembly plants including Viper, Nissa=
n and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally (first time for the =
engine at least in the case of the MINI) and casually driven to an inspecti=
on area&nbsp; where they idle for a couple of minutes while various systems=
 are checked then to a storage area turned off... <br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4947" class=3D"yiv1753197321gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;"=
>I'm wondering if "industry standard" may be a different way of saying "bec=
ause that's what my mother did".:-)<br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_ym19_1_1472426753259_4948" class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">I have actuall=
y run a few engines with the side covers off to check the tappet rotation. =
In most cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate and no amount of r=
evving or trying to encourage them with long nose pliers seems to make any =
difference. <br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">M<br c=
lear=3D"none"></div></div><div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_extra"><br clear=
=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1=
:35 PM, Jean Caron <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">vintage_roadst=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockqu=
ote class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

<div class=3D"yiv1753197321yqt3674739856" id=3D"yiv1753197321yqt47842"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-fa=
mily:Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">
<div>Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still rebuilding a lot of engi=
ne and he said that the 2000 rpm is an industry standard and is so that the=
 lifters do not only have to go up and down but spin around in their bore. =
At lower RPM they may not turn enough
 and it is also not recommended to go above 2000 RPM as the engine is not u=
nder load.
<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Jean<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%;">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-seri=
f" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]. n=
et</a>&gt; on behalf of Bob Spidell &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:bs=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> August 28, 2016 2:56 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:michael.sal=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">m=
[email-masked]</a>; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:healeys@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Oil</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>"... why the 2000 RPM?"</div><div><div class=3D"yiv1753197321h5">
<div>Good question.&nbsp; Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plent=
y of oil splashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle.&nbsp; I=
'll take a SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up the valve springs =
to apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes
 and lifters, to 'finish machine' them together.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sort of like--=
esp. for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP to bed the rings.</div=
<div>bs<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:michael.sal=
[email-masked]">
[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was necessary=
 to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.<br clear=3D"none">
However at 10 revolutions per second (600 RPM) there has to be tons of oil =
whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?<br clear=3D"none">
M<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 8:44 PM -04=
00, "Bob Spidell" <span dir=3D"ltr">
&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">bspidell@comcast=
.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote class=3D"yiv1753197321gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>
<pre>Thanks, Kees.

I'm hearing/reading everywhere that the proper procedure for bedding-in=20
cams and lifters is to run at 2,000 RPM give-or-take for 20 minutes.

bs

On 8/27/2016 11:32 AM, Oudesluys wrote:
&gt; When rebuilding engines I have always thickly coated the bearing=20
&gt; surfaces, and cam lobes using Graphite or Molybdenium grease. At first=
=20
&gt; start up I disconnect the ignition until I have oil pressure, than=20
&gt; idle the engine until warm after which I would drive at moderate speed=
=20
&gt; and load for about 100miles. Never used running in oil , just the=20
&gt; prescribed oil. Then drained the oil and fitted a new filter and=20
&gt; filled up with fresh oil. Again another few thousand miles at moderate=
=20
&gt; loads, oil and filter change after which speed and load were gradually=
=20
&gt; increased until about 5000miles before full speed and load were=20
&gt; applied. After a rebuild I never encountered any other wear issues on=
=20
&gt; any engine. Some engines did more than 250.000 miles after that. The=
=20
&gt; only thing that wore were the cylinder walls/rings/pistons and=20
&gt; valves/seats.
&gt; This is for road cars. Racing/rally cars are supposed to need a=20
&gt; different approach, however even with engines that were raced I never=
=20
&gt; went beyond the original procedure.
&gt; Kees Oudesluijs
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Op 27-8-2016 om 18:36 schreef Bob Spidell:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Don't know if you know it, Michael, but you 'started' a long threa=
d=20
&gt;&gt; on the Forum about this (Steve Gerow re-posted a link he got from =
you):
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?105991-Very-interesting-very-l=
ong-blog-posting-racing-oil-and-zinc">http://www.britishcarforum. com/bcf/s=
howthread.php?105991- Very-interesting-very-long- blog-posting-racing-oil-a=
nd- zinc</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This guy's research, while impressive, has been disputed here:
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http:=
//www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-tech-performance/3266544-zinc-myth-and-te=
st-data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.html">http://www.corvetteforum.com/ forums/c3-=
tech-performance/ 3266544-zinc-myth-and-test- data-on-a-dozen-more-oils.htm=
l</a>
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; This is of major interest to me, as I'll be rebuilding my BJ8's=20
&gt;&gt; engine in the near future.  I've run it on off-the-shelf dino=20
&gt;&gt; 20W-50--Castrol, Chevron (mostly) and Valvoline--for almost 120K=
=20
&gt;&gt; miles so it will be interesting to see what the internals look lik=
e=20
&gt;&gt; now (also want to see what deposits, if any, the PCV valve has cau=
sed=20
&gt;&gt; in the intake system).  #2 has low compression and we'll see if ca=
m=20
&gt;&gt; lobe wear is the cause.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Agree with Chris on the cam lube.  I bought a bunch of GM EOS=20
&gt;&gt; assembly lube way back when and I'm tempted to pour a bottle down =
the=20
&gt;&gt; pushrod tubes before first startup.  Thoughts (of course, I'll use=
=20
&gt;&gt; assembly lube on the cam and all moving surfaces)?
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Also, I'm leaning towards buying a cam from Denis Welch, which the=
y=20
&gt;&gt; say is 'gun-drilled' which, I presume, means the cam is lubricated=
=20
&gt;&gt; internally and supplies a stream of oil to the lobes.  I'll probab=
ly=20
&gt;&gt; also go with their bucket lifters which have a hole on the bottom =
to=20
&gt;&gt; supply yet more oil to the lifter-lobe surfaces.
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; I'm interested in hearing any and all thoughts and experiences on=
=20
&gt;&gt; engine assembly and break-in.  I'm going all-in on this=20
&gt;&gt; rebuild--it'll be the last for this car (I hope)--and my dad wants=
 a=20
&gt;&gt; friend of his who owns a racing engine shop to do the major work (=
$$$).
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt; Bob
&gt;&gt;
&gt;&gt;

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Ok I'm gonna ask the question:  Who is rat 540?

A google search under his name seems not to reveal his identity though he
is a prolific and generous contributor on several fora.

The article is extensive and certainly impressive and rat does go to great
lengths to convince us of his process and conclusions.  That said it flies
somewhat in the face of much other evidence and directs us fom one additive
to  another.

Thoughts????

Best--Michael Oritt

On Aug 27, 2016 12:33 AM, "Michael Salter" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Talking of oil here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter
> wear that is opening some eyes!!!
> options/healeys/[email-masked]
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Ok I&#39;m gonna ask the question:=C2=A0 Who is rat 540?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">A google search under his name seems not to reveal his ident=
ity though he is a prolific and generous contributor on several fora. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">The article is extensive and certainly impressive and rat do=
es go to great lengths to convince us of his process and conclusions.=C2=A0=
 That said it flies somewhat in the face of much other evidence and directs=
 us fom one additive to=C2=A0 another.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Thoughts????</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Best--Michael Oritt</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 27, 2016 1=
2:33 AM, &quot;Michael Salter&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gma=
il.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Talking of oil=
 here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that is openi=
ng some eyes!!!<br><a href=3D"http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3D=
1&amp;t=3D32471" target=3D"_blank">http://speedtalk.com/forum/<wbr>viewtopi=
c.php?f=3D1&amp;t=3D32471</a><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly has m=
e wondering...<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
omic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, B=
ob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color=
:#000000"><div>We never talk about oil, so ....</div><div><br></div><div>An=
ybody use this stuff?</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.amazo=
n.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M" target=3D"=
_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Kendall<wbr>-1057267-Performance-20W-50-<wbr=
>Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M</a></div><div><br></div><div>This is the best price=
 I&#39;ve seen on (I assume it&#39;s) decent 20W-50 (and I just bought 3 ca=
ses of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + shipping).</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div>=
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Micheal et al,
Should mention here that I have no further knowledge of RAT540 other than
what you have all read..
His article made interesting reading but as to its accuracy I have no clue.
Michael S
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Micheal et al,<br>Should mention here tha=
t I have no further knowledge of RAT540 other than what you have all read..=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">His article made interesting reading but as to i=
ts accuracy I have no clue.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:small">BN1 #174<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Michael Oritt <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
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il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Ok I&#39;m gonna ask the question:=C2=A0 Who is rat 5=
40?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">A google search under his name seems not to reveal his ident=
ity though he is a prolific and generous contributor on several fora. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">The article is extensive and certainly impressive and rat do=
es go to great lengths to convince us of his process and conclusions.=C2=A0=
 That said it flies somewhat in the face of much other evidence and directs=
 us fom one additive to=C2=A0 another.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Thoughts????</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Best--Michael Oritt</p>
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t:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Talking of =
oil here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that is op=
ening some eyes!!!<br><a href=3D"http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=
=3D1&amp;t=3D32471" target=3D"_blank">http://speedtalk.com/forum/vie<wbr>wt=
opic.php?f=3D1&amp;t=3D32471</a><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly ha=
s me wondering...<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div></div><div class=3D"=
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id;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;co=
lor:#000000"><div>We never talk about oil, so ....</div><div><br></div><div=
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azon.com/Kendall-1057267-Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Kendall<wbr>-1057267-Performance-20W-50-=
Ti<wbr>tanium/dp/B004RNSO2M</a></div><div><br></div><div>This is the best p=
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=C2=A0A friend who recently past away in January that had been rebuilding H=
ealey motors for over forty years told me he just gets them started and idl=
es them for a while and then runs them gently for a 100 miles or so, change=
s the oil and then it's your choice how careful of a break in you want to d=
o.=C2=A0 He said he never had a problem with them or the cams during break =
in.=C2=A0 Go figure.=C2=A0 I also have an article that says as soon as you =
get the motor started, run it at high rpm to seat the rings properly.=C2=A0=
 They are talking about a motorcycle, so I am not sure if applies in our ca=
se, but an interesting read.New Engine Break-in Procedure

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his name seems not to reveal his identity though he is a prolific and gener=
ous contributor on several fora. The article is extensive and certainly imp=
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conclusions.=C2=A0 That said it flies somewhat in the face of much other ev=
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ichael Oritt
On Aug 27, 2016 12:33 AM, "Michael Salter" <[email-masked]> wrote:

Talking of oil here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear=
 that is opening some eyes!!!
http://speedtalk.com/forum/ viewtopic.php?f=3D1&t=3D32471

We never talk about oil, so ....
Anybody use this stuff?
https://www.amazon.com/Kendall -1057267-Performance-20W-50- Titanium/dp/B00=
4RNSO2M
This is the best price I've seen on (I assume it's) decent 20W-50 (and I ju=
st bought 3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + shipping).
Bob
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an></div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:=
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nt-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Sunda=
y, August 28, 2016 9:16 PM, Michael Oritt &lt;[email-masked]&gt; w=
rote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, =
16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> =
<div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1544666996"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Ok I'm gonna ask the question:&nbsp; Who is rat 540?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">A google search under his name seems not to reveal his ide=
ntity though he is a prolific and generous contributor on several fora. </d=
iv>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The article is extensive and certainly impressive and rat =
does go to great lengths to convince us of his process and conclusions.&nbs=
p; That said it flies somewhat in the face of much other evidence and direc=
ts us fom one additive to&nbsp; another.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thoughts????</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Best--Michael Oritt</div>
<div class=3D"yiv1544666996gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yi=
v1544666996yqt0479348760" id=3D"yiv1544666996yqtfd45851"><div class=3D"yiv1=
544666996gmail_quote">On Aug 27, 2016 12:33 AM, "Michael Salter" &lt;<a rel=
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get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">michaelsalter@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv1544666996gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv1544666996gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Talking of oil here=
 is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that is opening so=
me eyes!!!<br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&amp;t=3D32471=
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r=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1544666996gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:small;">Certain=
ly has me wondering...<br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv1544666996g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l;">M<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><div class=3D"yiv1544666996gmail_extra"=
><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv1544666996gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 26,=
 2016 at 3:12 PM, Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
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<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv1544666996gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;"><div>We never talk=
 about oil, so ....</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Anybody use thi=
s stuff?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Kendall-1057267-=
Performance-20W-50-Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M">https://www.amazon.com/Kendall -=
1057267-Performance-20W-50- Titanium/dp/B004RNSO2M</a></div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>This is the best price I've seen on (I assume it's) de=
cent 20W-50 (and I just bought 3 cases of Valvoline @ $4.99/qt + shipping).=
</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Bob</div><div><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div><span></span>------------------------------ --<br clear=3D"none">=
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Modern engines are build to much smaller tolerances and far superior 
finishes and parts are made from other, often better materials than in 
the 50's-70's, mostly introduced by the Japanese. These cars do not 
normally require any running in. These engines typically last for 
300.000mls plus where the old engines struggled to last more than 40.000 
to 50.000mls.
Most of the modern finishes and tolerances are now also used for 
rebuilding older engines so also for these engines running in is less of 
an issue, unless you have a rebuilt from a shop that is still using the 
old methods.
Thus following running in procedures is a good thing, although often not 
needed, but it is better to be safe than sorry.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 28-8-2016 om 21:10 schreef Michael Salter:
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>     *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]
>     Good question.  Only explanation I've ever seen is you need plenty
>     of oil splashing around but, as you said, there would be at idle. 
>     I'll take a SWAG that maybe you need some revs to load up the
>     valve springs to apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes and
>     lifters, to 'finish machine' them together.   Sort of like--esp.
>     for aircraft piston engines--you need high BMEP to bed the rings.
>
>     bs
>
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>     On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, [email-masked]
>>
>>     I have also always done that, in the belief that the RPM was
>>     necessary to ensure that lots of oil was splashing around.
>>     tons of oil whizzing around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?
>>     M
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      Modern engines are build to much smaller tolerances and far
      superior finishes and parts are made from other, often better
      materials than in the 50's-70's, mostly introduced by the
      Japanese. These cars do not normally require any running in. These
      engines typically last for 300.000mls plus where the old engines
      struggled to last more than 40.000 to 50.000mls.<br>
      Most of the modern finishes and tolerances are now also used for
      rebuilding older engines so also for these engines running in is
      less of an issue, unless you have a rebuilt from a shop that is
      still using the old methods.<br>
      Thus following running in procedures is a good thing, although
      often not needed, but it is better to be safe than sorry.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Op 28-8-2016 om 21:10 schreef Michael Salter:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">Jean, although the 2000 RPM for 20
          minutes may be an industry standard on rebuilds I have visited
          a number of new car assembly plants including Viper, Nissan
          and BMW MINI and the cars there are started normally (first
          time for the engine at least in the case of the MINI) and
          casually driven to an inspection area  where they idle for a
          couple of minutes while various systems are checked then to a
          storage area turned off... <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">I'm wondering if "industry standard"
          may be a different way of saying "because that's what my
          mother did".:-)<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default">I have actually run a few engines
          with the side covers off to check the tappet rotation. In most
          cases at least some of the tappets do not rotate and no amount
          of revving or trying to encourage them with long nose pliers
          seems to make any difference. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_default">M<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jean
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                <p>Talked to a guy that has rebuilt and is still
                  rebuilding a lot of engine and he said that the 2000
                  rpm is an industry standard and is so that the lifters
                  do not only have to go up and down but spin around in
                  their bore. At lower RPM they may not turn enough and
                  it is also not recommended to go above 2000 RPM as the
                  engine is not under load.
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                <p>Jean<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a
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                    on behalf of Bob Spidell &lt;<a
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                    <p>"... why the 2000 RPM?"</p>
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                        <p>Good question.  Only explanation I've ever
                          seen is you need plenty of oil splashing
                          around but, as you said, there would be at
                          idle.  I'll take a SWAG that maybe you need
                          some revs to load up the valve springs to
                          apply sufficient pressure to the came lobes
                          and lifters, to 'finish machine' them
                          together.   Sort of like--esp. for aircraft
                          piston engines--you need high BMEP to bed the
                          rings.</p>
                        <p>bs<br>
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                        <div>On 8/27/2016 6:21 PM, <a
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                          <p dir="auto">I have also always done that, in
                            the belief that the RPM was necessary to
                            ensure that lots of oil was splashing
                            around.<br>
                            However at 10 revolutions per second (600
                            RPM) there has to be tons of oil whizzing
                            around in the crankcase so why the 2000 RPM?<br>
                            M<br>
                          </p>
                          <br>
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                                <pre>Thanks, Kees.

bs

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Op 29-8-2016 om 3:01 schreef Michael Oritt:
> A google search under his name seems not to reveal his identity though 
> he is a prolific and generous contributor on several fora.
>
> The article is extensive and certainly impressive and rat does go to 
> great lengths to convince us of his process and conclusions.  That 
> said it flies somewhat in the face of much other evidence and directs 
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      <p dir="ltr">Ok I'm gonna ask the question:  Who is rat 540?</p>
      <p dir="ltr">A google search under his name seems not to reveal
        his identity though he is a prolific and generous contributor on
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      <p dir="ltr">The article is extensive and certainly impressive and
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                interesting article...VERY LONG... on lifter wear that
                is opening some eyes!!!<br>
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              <div class="gmail_default">Certainly has me wondering...<br>
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I always drove gently for first 100 miles changing rpms and speed, changed
oil, then continued to drive and change oil again at 500 miles. Varying
speed and RPM. Not sure why we did this, something about seating the piston
 rings.
Clearly many ways to run in a new engine

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Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
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>  A friend who recently past away in January that had been rebuilding
> Healey motors for over forty years told me he just gets them started and
> idles them for a while and then runs them gently for a 100 miles or so,
> changes the oil and then it's your choice how careful of a break in you
> want to do.  He said he never had a problem with them or the cams during
> break in.  Go figure.  I also have an article that says as soon as you get
> the motor started, run it at high rpm to seat the rings properly.  They are
> talking about a motorcycle, so I am not sure if applies in our case, but an
> interesting read.
> New Engine Break-in Procedure <http://www.ntnoa.org/enginebreakin.htm>
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> When a cylinder is new or overhauled the surface of it's walls are honed
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> piston rings ...
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an>Mike MacLean</span></div> <div><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:block=
"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size=
:16px"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Ar=
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k">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></font></div> </span><blockquo=
te style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;margin-top=
:5px;padding-left:5px"> <br><br> <div><div><div><span class=3D""><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Ok I&#39;m gonna ask the question:=C2=A0 Who is rat 540?</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">A google search under his name seems not to reveal his ide=
ntity though he is a prolific and generous contributor on several fora. </d=
iv>
<div dir=3D"ltr">The article is extensive and certainly impressive and rat =
does go to great lengths to convince us of his process and conclusions.=C2=
=A0 That said it flies somewhat in the face of much other evidence and dire=
cts us fom one additive to=C2=A0 another.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thoughts????</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Best--Michael Oritt</div>
</span><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div><span class=3D"">On Aug 27, 2016 1=
2:33 AM, &quot;Michael Salter&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
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iv dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size=
:small">Talking of oil here is an interesting article...VERY LONG... on lif=
ter wear that is opening some eyes!!!<br clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow"=
 shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&amp;=
t=3D32471" target=3D"_blank">http://speedtalk.com/forum/ viewtopic.php?f=3D=
1&amp;t=3D32471</a><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Certainly has me =
wondering...<br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-family:comic sans m=
s,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br clear=3D"none"></div></div></span><div><=
br clear=3D"none"><div><span class=3D"">On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Bo=
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mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
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8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><div><div=
 style=3D"font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>We never tal=
k about oil, so ....</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Anybody use th=
is stuff?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
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The break-in procedures for air-cooled motorcycles is very similar to that for (air-cooled) aircraft piston engines. Because the clearances are greater in air-cooled engines--to allow for greater and varying metals expansion rates--the emphasis is on bedding-in the rings (although these engines also have flat-tapped, OHV valve trains). That should be somewhat less of a concern--but still a concern--in our water cooled engines, where cam/tappet break-in appears to be critical. 

A point not mentioned in the motorcycle procedure is that breaking in an engine at high altitude might be problematic, since you won't get the same BMEP at, say, 5,000 feet that you would at sea level (non-turboed and non-supercharged engines, of course). For an aircraft engine you are advised to run at 1) low altitude, 2) full power (WOT or close to it) and 3) full rich for the first few hours (up to 50). The rich mixture is to used to wash oil off the cylinder walls to promote break-in and prevent oil glazing (I've heard of desperate airplane owners--who may have spent $50K or more on an engine rebuild--dumping Bon Ami into cylinders in the hope it will break the glaze). Since an SU carb's mixture can be set across the RPM range it might be a good idea to run them extra rich for the first 500 miles or so. 

Bob 

I always drove gently for first 100 miles changing rpms and speed, changed oil, then continued to drive and change oil again at 500 miles. Varying speed and RPM. Not sure why we did this, something about seating the piston rings. 
Clearly many ways to run in a new engine 

Ira Erbs 
Portland,OR 
_______ _______ 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Michael MacLean < [email-masked] > wrote: 

A friend who recently past away in January that had been rebuilding Healey motors for over forty years told me he just gets them started and idles them for a while and then runs them gently for a 100 miles or so, changes the oil and then it's your choice how careful of a break in you want to do. He said he never had a problem with them or the cams during break in. Go figure. I also have an article that says as soon as you get the motor started, run it at high rpm to seat the rings properly. They are talking about a motorcycle, so I am not sure if applies in our case, but an interesting read. 
New Engine Break-in Procedure 

	

New Engine Break-in Procedure 
When a cylinder is new or overhauled the surface of it's walls are honed with abrasive stones to produce a rough surface that will help wear the piston rings ... 

View on www.ntnoa.org 
	
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">The break-in procedures for air-cooled=
 motorcycles is very similar to that for (air-cooled) aircraft piston engin=
es. &nbsp;Because the clearances are greater in air-cooled engines--to allo=
w for greater and varying metals expansion rates--the emphasis is on beddin=
g-in the rings (although these engines also have flat-tapped, OHV valve tra=
ins). &nbsp;That should be somewhat less of a concern--but still a concern-=
-in our water cooled engines, where cam/tappet break-in appears to be criti=
cal. &nbsp;</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label=
=3D"Compose body">A point not mentioned in the motorcycle procedure is that=
 breaking in an engine at high altitude might be problematic, since you won=
't get the same BMEP at, say, 5,000 feet that you would at sea level (non-t=
urboed and non-supercharged engines, of course). &nbsp;For an aircraft engi=
ne you are advised to run at 1) low altitude, 2) full power (WOT or close t=
o it) and 3) full rich for the first few hours (up to 50). &nbsp;The rich m=
ixture is to used to wash oil off the cylinder walls to promote break-in an=
d prevent oil glazing (I've heard of desperate airplane owners--who may hav=
e spent $50K or more on an engine rebuild--dumping Bon Ami into cylinders i=
n the hope it will break the glaze). &nbsp;Since an SU carb's mixture can b=
e set across the RPM range it might be a good idea to run them extra rich f=
or the first 500 miles or so.</div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></d=
iv><div aria-label=3D"Compose body">Bob</div><div><br></div><div style=3D"c=
olor:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;" data-mce-style=3D"color: #=
000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-f=
amily: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">I always drove gently for first 100 miles changing rpms and s=
peed, changed oil, then continued to drive and change oil again at 500 mile=
s. Varying speed and RPM. Not sure why we did this, something about seating=
 the piston &nbsp;rings.&nbsp;<div>Clearly many ways to run in a new engine=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font=
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Roman',serif;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"=
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nt-family:'Times New Roman',serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Times Ne=
w Roman',serif;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</s=
pan><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman',serif" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New R=
oman',serif" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">&nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (_________________________)</span></div><div>&=
nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Michael MacLean <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
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"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex;=
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#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif=
;font-size:16px" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000; background-color: #fff; fon=
t-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 16px;"><div>&nbs=
p;A friend who recently past away in January that had been rebuilding Heale=
y motors for over forty years told me he just gets them started and idles t=
hem for a while and then runs them gently for a 100 miles or so, changes th=
e oil and then it's your choice how careful of a break in you want to do.&n=
bsp; He said he never had a problem with them or the cams during break in.&=
nbsp; Go figure.&nbsp; I also have an article that says as soon as you get =
the motor started, run it at high rpm to seat the rings properly.&nbsp; The=
y are talking about a motorcycle, so I am not sure if applies in our case, =
but an interesting read.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.ntnoa.=
org/enginebreakin.htm" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"http://www.ntnoa.=
org/enginebreakin.htm">New Engine Break-in Procedure</a><br></div><div styl=
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From: Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>
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OK, so now you have me worried about my Harley Davidson next time I freshen=
 up the top end.=C2=A0 It is an air cooled flat tappet cam engine.=C2=A0 I =
don't remember when I brought it home new in 2002, the owner's manual sayin=
g run flat out to seat the rings.Mike MacLean
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    On Monday, August 29, 2016 6:14 PM, Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
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 The break-in procedures for air-cooled motorcycles is very similar to that=
 for (air-cooled) aircraft piston engines. =C2=A0Because the clearances are=
 greater in air-cooled engines--to allow for greater and varying metals exp=
ansion rates--the emphasis is on bedding-in the rings (although these engin=
es also have flat-tapped, OHV valve trains). =C2=A0That should be somewhat =
less of a concern--but still a concern--in our water cooled engines, where =
cam/tappet break-in appears to be critical. =C2=A0
A point not mentioned in the motorcycle procedure is that breaking in an en=
gine at high altitude might be problematic, since you won't get the same BM=
EP at, say, 5,000 feet that you would at sea level (non-turboed and non-sup=
ercharged engines, of course). =C2=A0For an aircraft engine you are advised=
 to run at 1) low altitude, 2) full power (WOT or close to it) and 3) full =
rich for the first few hours (up to 50). =C2=A0The rich mixture is to used =
to wash oil off the cylinder walls to promote break-in and prevent oil glaz=
ing (I've heard of desperate airplane owners--who may have spent $50K or mo=
re on an engine rebuild--dumping Bon Ami into cylinders in the hope it will=
 break the glaze). =C2=A0Since an SU carb's mixture can be set across the R=
PM range it might be a good idea to run them extra rich for the first 500 m=
iles or so.
Bob

I always drove gently for first 100 miles changing rpms and speed, changed =
oil, then continued to drive and change oil again at 500 miles. Varying spe=
ed and RPM. Not sure why we did this, something about seating the piston =
=C2=A0rings.=C2=A0Clearly many ways to run in a new engine
Ira ErbsPortland,OR=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 _______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes
Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Michael MacLean <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472506099114_97757">OK, so now you have me worried a=
bout my Harley Davidson next time I freshen up the top end.&nbsp; It is an =
air cooled flat tappet cam engine.&nbsp; I don't remember when I brought it=
 home new in 2002, the owner's manual saying run flat out to seat the rings=
.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472506099114_97806" dir=3D"ltr">Mike M=
acLean<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472506099114_97500"><span></s=
pan></div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display=
: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roma=
n, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: He=
lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; f=
ont-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Mond=
ay, August 29, 2016 6:14 PM, Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote=
:<br></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, =
255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div=
 class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv2014220911"><div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;"><div>The break-in procedures =
for air-cooled motorcycles is very similar to that for (air-cooled) aircraf=
t piston engines. &nbsp;Because the clearances are greater in air-cooled en=
gines--to allow for greater and varying metals expansion rates--the emphasi=
s is on bedding-in the rings (although these engines also have flat-tapped,=
 OHV valve trains). &nbsp;That should be somewhat less of a concern--but st=
ill a concern--in our water cooled engines, where cam/tappet break-in appea=
rs to be critical. &nbsp;</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>A point n=
ot mentioned in the motorcycle procedure is that breaking in an engine at h=
igh altitude might be problematic, since you won't get the same BMEP at, sa=
y, 5,000 feet that you would at sea level (non-turboed and non-supercharged=
 engines, of course). &nbsp;For an aircraft engine you are advised to run a=
t 1) low altitude, 2) full power (WOT or close to it) and 3) full rich for =
the first few hours (up to 50). &nbsp;The rich mixture is to used to wash o=
il off the cylinder walls to promote break-in and prevent oil glazing (I've=
 heard of desperate airplane owners--who may have spent $50K or more on an =
engine rebuild--dumping Bon Ami into cylinders in the hope it will break th=
e glaze). &nbsp;Since an SU carb's mixture can be set across the RPM range =
it might be a good idea to run them extra rich for the first 500 miles or s=
o.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Bob</div><div class=3D"yiv201422=
0911yqt6069211393" id=3D"yiv2014220911yqtfd99192"><div><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-dec=
oration:none;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><br =
clear=3D"none"><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I always drov=
e gently for first 100 miles changing rpms and speed, changed oil, then con=
tinued to drive and change oil again at 500 miles. Varying speed and RPM. N=
ot sure why we did this, something about seating the piston &nbsp;rings.&nb=
sp;<div>Clearly many ways to run in a new engine</div></div><div class=3D"y=
iv2014220911gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"yiv2014220911=
gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<div>Portland,OR</div><div><span style=3D"font-=
family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; _______ &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;_______</span><br style=3D"font-family:'Time=
s New Roman', serif;" clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times New =
Roman', serif;">&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)</sp=
an><br style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;" clear=3D"none"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
;&nbsp; (_________________________)</span></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; BT7 engine and disk brakes</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div>Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words</div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv=
2014220911gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Michael MacLean <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:rr=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att=
.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><bloc=
kquote class=3D"yiv2014220911gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;backg=
round-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-s=
ize:16px;"><div>&nbsp;A friend who recently past away in January that had b=
een rebuilding Healey motors for over forty years told me he just gets them=
 started and idles them for a while and then runs them gently for a 100 mil=
es or so, changes the oil and then it's your choice how careful of a break =
in you want to do.&nbsp; He said he never had a problem with them or the ca=
ms during break in.&nbsp; Go figure.&nbsp; I also have an article that says=
 as soon as you get the motor started, run it at high rpm to seat the rings=
 properly.&nbsp; They are talking about a motorcycle, so I am not sure if a=
pplies in our case, but an interesting read.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a rel=
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