Subject: [Healeys] Steering idler bits

From: "Simon Lachlan" <[email-masked]>
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One for the experts........

1)      I hope that I'm right in my belief that I've labelled the correct
same parts in the three attached pics??? I ask because they certainly don't
look the same; ie if you go from the parts book diagram to the two photos,
the rubber bush looks to be twice the size and the seal bears very little
resemblance to that in the diagram.

2)      Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in oil and filth - the
residue of a leak incurred while fixing the trafficator - I think we can
agree that the bush looks pretty well shot?

3)      Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush function to keep oil
in as well as dirt out? ie that its condition matters??

4)      On the assumption that the bush needs replacing and that I'm going
to do it ASAP, is the seal something that needs to be replaced as well or is
it reusable?

5)      Yes, I have a fair collection of manuals to which I always
refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at first glance, which is
full of hidden snags? I've not seen the dreaded words "Taking special tool"
but I can't be surprised any more by the unexpected in Healey land. Is this
a job requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a hidden snag or two?

Thanks,

Simon

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</span></span><![endif]>I hope that I&#8217;m right in my belief that =
I&#8217;ve labelled the correct same parts in the three attached pics??? =
I ask because they certainly don&#8217;t look the same; ie if you go =
from the parts book diagram to the two photos, the rubber bush looks to =
be twice the size and the seal bears very little resemblance to that in =
the diagram.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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</span></span><![endif]>Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in =
oil and filth &#8211; the residue of a leak incurred while fixing the =
trafficator &#8211; I think we can agree that the bush looks pretty well =
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</span></span><![endif]>Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush =
function to keep oil in as well as dirt out? ie that its condition =
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</span></span><![endif]>On the assumption that the bush needs replacing =
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</span></span><![endif]>Yes, I have a fair collection of manuals to =
which I always refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at =
first glance, which is full of hidden snags? I&#8217;ve not seen the =
dreaded words &#8220;Taking special tool&#8221; but I can&#8217;t be =
surprised any more by the unexpected in Healey land. Is this a job =
requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a hidden snag or =
two?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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From: Austin Healey <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:28:35 +0200

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The pointer is not on the correct part.
The number 21 is a sponge dust seal.
The bush is the number 16.

It is not an easy job to replace the bush. It need to be pressed in with a
tool, and reamed with another. Better leave for a pro.

The oil seal is to be replaced.

Gergo

2016-08-03 20:31 GMT+02:00 Simon Lachlan <[email-masked]>:

> 1)      I hope that I=E2=80=99m right in my belief that I=E2=80=99ve labe=
lled the correct
> same parts in the three attached pics??? I ask because they certainly don=
=E2=80=99t
> look the same; ie if you go from the parts book diagram to the two photos=
,
> 2)      Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in oil and filth =E2=
=80=93
> the residue of a leak incurred while fixing the trafficator =E2=80=93 I t=
hink we
> can agree that the bush looks pretty well shot?
>
> 3)      Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush function to keep
> oil in as well as dirt out? ie that its condition matters??
>
> 4)      On the assumption that the bush needs replacing and that I=E2=80=
=99m
> going to do it ASAP, is the seal something that needs to be replaced as
> well or is it reusable?
>
> refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at first glance, which
> is full of hidden snags? I=E2=80=99ve not seen the dreaded words =E2=80=
=9CTaking special
> tool=E2=80=9D but I can=E2=80=99t be surprised any more by the unexpected=
 in Healey land.
> Is this a job requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a hidden sn=
ag
> or two?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The pointer is not on the correct part.<div>The number 21 =
is a sponge dust seal.</div><div>The bush is the number 16.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>It is not an easy job to replace the bush. It need to be pressed =
in with a tool, and reamed with another. Better leave for a pro.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>The oil seal is to be replaced.</div><div><br></div><div>Ger=
go</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">201=
6-08-03 20:31 GMT+02:00 Simon Lachlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
o.uk</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" =
link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">One for the expe=
rts........<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &q=
uot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u>=
</u>I hope that I=E2=80=99m right in my belief that I=E2=80=99ve labelled t=
he correct same parts in the three attached pics??? I ask because they cert=
ainly don=E2=80=99t look the same; ie if you go from the parts book diagram=
 to the two photos, the rubber bush looks to be twice the size and the seal=
 bears very little resemblance to that in the diagram.<u></u><u></u></p><p>=
<u></u><span>2)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>Leaving aside that the who=
le area is covered in oil and filth =E2=80=93 the residue of a leak incurre=
d while fixing the trafficator =E2=80=93 I think we can agree that the bush=
 looks pretty well shot?<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>3)<span style=3D"=
font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </sp=
an></span><u></u>Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush function to =
keep oil in as well as dirt out? ie that its condition matters??<u></u><u><=
/u></p><p><u></u><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&qu=
ot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>On the assumption =
that the bush needs replacing and that I=E2=80=99m going to do it ASAP, is =
the seal something that needs to be replaced as well or is it reusable?<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>5)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New R=
oman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>Yes, I have=
 a fair collection of manuals to which I always refer.......But, is this on=
e of those jobs, simple at first glance, which is full of hidden snags? I=
=E2=80=99ve not seen the dreaded words =E2=80=9CTaking special tool=E2=80=
=9D but I can=E2=80=99t be surprised any more by the unexpected in Healey l=
and. Is this a job requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a hidden=
 snag or two?<u></u><u></u></p><p>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p><p>Simon<u></u><=
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From: Alan Bromfield <[email-masked]>
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Hi Simon.
Yes, you have the components correctly identified. The 'bush' you identify
is actually nothing more than a foam collar which wicks up any seepage from
the box.  The oil seal is a standard design lip seal pressed into the
bottom housing of the box.  I believe an uprated alternative with double
lips is available but don't have details.
Replacement is easy after removing the drop arm (29). That's the rub! The
drop arm is fitted to a tapered spline with a 'blind' spline acting as a
keyway to ensure alignment. Getting the arm off the box can be a bear even
with the box out of the car.  I resorted to a hydraulic press, a big hammer
and a dolly (each side of the drop arm) to get mine off.
Nothing complicated but not for the faint hearted. Factor it in as a winter
job and if the arm isn't off in half an hour then take the box out of the
car.
I'm in Dorset (near Shaftesbury). Let me know if you need a hand.

AlanB

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Simon.<div>Yes, you have the components correctly ident=
ified. The &#39;bush&#39; you identify is actually nothing more than a foam=
 collar which wicks up any seepage from the box.=C2=A0 The oil seal is a st=
andard design lip seal pressed into the bottom housing of the box.=C2=A0 I =
believe an uprated alternative with double lips is available but don&#39;t =
have details.</div><div>Replacement is easy after removing the drop arm (29=
). That&#39;s the rub! The drop arm is fitted to a tapered spline with a &#=
39;blind&#39; spline acting as a keyway to ensure alignment. Getting the ar=
m off the box can be a bear even with the box out of the car.=C2=A0 I resor=
ted to a hydraulic press, a big hammer and a dolly (each side of the drop a=
rm) to get mine off.</div><div>Nothing complicated but not for the faint he=
arted. Factor it in as a winter job and if the arm isn&#39;t off in half an=
 hour then take the box out of the car.</div><div>I&#39;m in Dorset (near S=
haftesbury). Let me know if you need a hand.</div><div><br></div><div>AlanB=
=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div>Alan Bromfield</div><div><img src=3D"https://docs.google.com/uc?expor=
t=3Ddownload&amp;id=3D0B03pnd86m97tZWN6ZkhwMW5mbFU&amp;revid=3D0B03pnd86m97=
takFJZVdRS0hPWWdrdFVmMHVQNWIyN1ZacnVjPQ"><br></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3 August 2016 at 19:31, Simon Lachlan <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">One for the experts........<u></u><u></u></p><p><=
u></u><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>I hope that I=E2=80=99m right=
 in my belief that I=E2=80=99ve labelled the correct same parts in the thre=
e attached pics??? I ask because they certainly don=E2=80=99t look the same=
; ie if you go from the parts book diagram to the two photos, the rubber bu=
sh looks to be twice the size and the seal bears very little resemblance to=
 that in the diagram.<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>2)<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span>=
</span><u></u>Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in oil and filth=
 =E2=80=93 the residue of a leak incurred while fixing the trafficator =E2=
=80=93 I think we can agree that the bush looks pretty well shot?<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p><u></u><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&q=
uot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>Am I right in thi=
nking that the seal and bush function to keep oil in as well as dirt out? i=
e that its condition matters??<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>4)<span sty=
le=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 </span></span><u></u>On the assumption that the bush needs replacing an=
d that I=E2=80=99m going to do it ASAP, is the seal something that needs to=
 be replaced as well or is it reusable?<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>5)=
<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>Yes, I have a fair collection of manuals =
to which I always refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at fir=
st glance, which is full of hidden snags? I=E2=80=99ve not seen the dreaded=
 words =E2=80=9CTaking special tool=E2=80=9D but I can=E2=80=99t be surpris=
ed any more by the unexpected in Healey land. Is this a job requiring big s=
ockets and long bars or is there a hidden snag or two?<u></u><u></u></p><p>=
Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p><p>Simon<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><br>________=
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From: John Harper <[email-masked]>
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Simon

My comment is, if there is no obvious wear in the idler: they rarely wear,
is to clean off the external oil and then leave well alone except then use
a grease like material such as Penrite steering box lube to top up.

Oil seals do deteriorate and need replacing from time to time but this is a
big job. You need to have the correct tool to undo the side and cross tube
taper joints. Then remove the idler from the car. Next you will need a very
heavy puller to pull the steering arm from the shaft and 'break' the taper
spline joint. Then you can disassemble the idler and change the oil seal.

The foam rubber dust seal is best kept but it is not that important because
oil soon covers the exposed part of the idler shaft and protects it.

Best regards

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Simon<div><br></div><div>My comment is, if there is no obv=
ious wear in the idler: they rarely wear, is to clean off the external oil =
and then leave well alone except then use a grease like material such as Pe=
nrite steering box lube to top up.</div><div><br></div><div>Oil seals do de=
teriorate and need replacing from time to time but this is a big job. You n=
eed to have the correct tool to undo the side and cross tube taper joints. =
Then remove the idler from the car. Next you will need a very heavy puller =
to pull the steering arm from the shaft and &#39;break&#39; the taper splin=
e joint. Then you can disassemble the idler and change the oil seal.</div><=
div><br></div><div>The foam rubber dust seal is best kept but it is not tha=
t important because oil soon covers the exposed part of the idler shaft and=
 protects it.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3 August 2016 at 19:31, =
Simon Lachlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecal=
l.co.uk" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB" link=3D"blue" vlin=
k=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">One for the experts........<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p><u></u><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>I hope that I=
=E2=80=99m right in my belief that I=E2=80=99ve labelled the correct same p=
arts in the three attached pics??? I ask because they certainly don=E2=80=
=99t look the same; ie if you go from the parts book diagram to the two pho=
tos, the rubber bush looks to be twice the size and the seal bears very lit=
tle resemblance to that in the diagram.<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>2)=
<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>Leaving aside that the whole area is cove=
red in oil and filth =E2=80=93 the residue of a leak incurred while fixing =
the trafficator =E2=80=93 I think we can agree that the bush looks pretty w=
ell shot?<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quo=
t;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></=
u>Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush function to keep oil in as =
well as dirt out? ie that its condition matters??<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></=
u><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>On the assumption that the bush =
needs replacing and that I=E2=80=99m going to do it ASAP, is the seal somet=
hing that needs to be replaced as well or is it reusable?<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p><u></u><span>5)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>Yes, I have a fair coll=
ection of manuals to which I always refer.......But, is this one of those j=
obs, simple at first glance, which is full of hidden snags? I=E2=80=99ve no=
t seen the dreaded words =E2=80=9CTaking special tool=E2=80=9D but I can=E2=
=80=99t be surprised any more by the unexpected in Healey land. Is this a j=
ob requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a hidden snag or two?<u>=
</u><u></u></p><p>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p><p>Simon<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
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