Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits

From: "Earl Kagna" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 22:41:33 -0700

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Hello again Simon =E2=80=93 greetings from British Columbia, Canada!

Can=E2=80=99t wait to hear who wins the race between you and your nephew =
when he eventually gets his Healey over the water.

You=E2=80=99ve got it a bit wrong with the idler assembly:  The oil seal =
is normally not visible =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s up in a recessed cavity =
inside the lower part of the idler body when all is assembled.  Your =
photos are showing the lower part of the idler body itself =E2=80=93 =
give it a bit of a clean and you=E2=80=99ll find that it=E2=80=99s =
steel.  The item below it that you have identified as the =
=E2=80=98bush=E2=80=99 is actually a dust cover keeping the huge pieces =
away from the seal itself.  It=E2=80=99s made of some sort of foam =
rubber =E2=80=93 usually white.  If memory serves, the same part is used =
on the handbrake shaft as a dust / hot air excluder to (theoretically) =
keep such things from the inside of the car.

The bush is illustration # 16 - P/N 1B6257 in my parts book - and serves =
to keep the idler shaft snug and working in the body.  That way, the oil =
leaks out of the bottom where it  should.

It=E2=80=99s worth noting - the oil seal is quite thin - most rebuilders =
use two of them stacked.  There=E2=80=99s plenty of room in the idler =
body.  This gets at least one seal lip onto a virgin part of the shaft.

If you had the whole works dismantled and on the bench, it would all be =
immediately obvious  to you.

I fixed such a leak in situ in my tri-carb years ago by doing a sneaky =
drain, and refilling it with Penrite steering box lube - the stuff is =
purpose designed for these old beasts, and is quite thick -  it =
doesn=E2=80=99t dare leak!

If that=E2=80=99s what you are trying to do, there are a couple of =
little tricks that will help.

Cheers ----

Earl Kagna
Victoria, B.C.
BJ8, BT7 tri-carb

From: Simon Lachlan=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:31 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [Healeys] Steering idler bits

One for the experts........

1)      I hope that I=E2=80=99m right in my belief that I=E2=80=99ve =
labelled the correct same parts in the three attached pics??? I ask =
because they certainly don=E2=80=99t look the same; ie if you go from =
the parts book diagram to the two photos, the rubber bush looks to be =
twice the size and the seal bears very little resemblance to that in the =
diagram.

2)      Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in oil and filth =
=E2=80=93 the residue of a leak incurred while fixing the trafficator =
=E2=80=93 I think we can agree that the bush looks pretty well shot?

3)      Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush function to keep =
oil in as well as dirt out? ie that its condition matters??

4)      On the assumption that the bush needs replacing and that =
I=E2=80=99m going to do it ASAP, is the seal something that needs to be =
replaced as well or is it reusable?

5)      Yes, I have a fair collection of manuals to which I always =
refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at first glance, =
which is full of hidden snags? I=E2=80=99ve not seen the dreaded words =
=E2=80=9CTaking special tool=E2=80=9D but I can=E2=80=99t be surprised =
any more by the unexpected in Healey land. Is this a job requiring big =
sockets and long bars or is there a hidden snag or two?

Thanks,

Simon

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<DIV>Hello again Simon =E2=80=93 greetings from British Columbia, =
Canada!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Can=E2=80=99t wait to hear who wins the race between you and your =
nephew when he=20
eventually gets his Healey over the water.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You=E2=80=99ve got it a bit wrong with the idler assembly:&nbsp; =
The oil seal is=20
normally not visible =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s up in a recessed cavity =
inside the lower part of the=20
idler body when all is assembled.&nbsp; Your photos are showing the =
lower part=20
of the idler body itself =E2=80=93 give it a bit of a clean and =
you=E2=80=99ll find that it=E2=80=99s=20
steel.&nbsp; The item below it that you have identified as the =
=E2=80=98bush=E2=80=99 is=20
actually a dust cover keeping the huge pieces away from the seal =
itself.&nbsp;=20
It=E2=80=99s made of some sort of foam rubber =E2=80=93 usually =
white.&nbsp; If memory serves,=20
the same part is used on the handbrake shaft as a dust / hot air =
excluder to=20
(theoretically) keep such things from the inside of the car.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The bush is illustration # 16 - P/N 1B6257 in my parts book - and =
serves to=20
keep the idler shaft snug and working in the body.&nbsp; That way, the =
oil leaks=20
out of the bottom where it&nbsp; should.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It=E2=80=99s worth noting - the oil seal is quite thin - most =
rebuilders use two of=20
them stacked.&nbsp; There=E2=80=99s plenty of room in the idler =
body.&nbsp; This gets at=20
least one seal lip onto a virgin part of the shaft.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If you had the whole works dismantled and on the bench, it would =
all be=20
immediately obvious&nbsp; to you.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I fixed such a leak in situ in my tri-carb years ago by doing a =
sneaky=20
drain, and refilling it with Penrite steering box lube - the stuff is =
purpose=20
designed for these old beasts, and is quite thick -&nbsp; it =
doesn=E2=80=99t dare=20
leak!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If that=E2=80=99s what you are trying to do, there are a couple of =
little tricks=20
that will help.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers ----</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: =
#141100">Earl=20
Kagna<BR>Victoria, B.C.<BR>BJ8, BT7 tri-carb</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Simon Lachlan</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Healeys] Steering idler bits</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>One for the experts........<o:p></o:p></P>
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style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN></SPAN>I hope that I=E2=80=99m right in my belief that =
I=E2=80=99ve labelled the correct=20
same parts in the three attached pics??? I ask because they certainly =
don=E2=80=99t look=20
the same; ie if you go from the parts book diagram to the two photos, =
the rubber=20
bush looks to be twice the size and the seal bears very little =
resemblance to=20
that in the diagram.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
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style=3D"mso-list: ignore">2)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN></SPAN>Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in oil and =
filth =E2=80=93=20
the residue of a leak incurred while fixing the trafficator =E2=80=93 I =
think we can=20
agree that the bush looks pretty well shot?<o:p></o:p></P>
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style=3D"mso-list: ignore">3)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</SPAN></SPAN>Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush function to =
keep oil=20
in as well as dirt out? ie that its condition matters??<o:p></o:p></P>
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</SPAN></SPAN>On the assumption that the bush needs replacing and that =
I=E2=80=99m going=20
to do it ASAP, is the seal something that needs to be replaced as well =
or is it=20
reusable?<o:p></o:p></P>
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</SPAN></SPAN>Yes, I have a fair collection of manuals to which I always =

refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at first glance, =
which is=20
full of hidden snags? I=E2=80=99ve not seen the dreaded words =
=E2=80=9CTaking special tool=E2=80=9D but=20
I can=E2=80=99t be surprised any more by the unexpected in Healey land. =
Is this a job=20
requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a hidden snag or=20
two?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></P>
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From: "BJ8Healeys" <[email-masked]>
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Simon, the Seal is inside the body of the idler and not visible when
installed.  The parts manual is showing an "exploded" view of the assembly.
The Seal's function is to keep oil inside the idler body.  The Bush is a
foam "dust excluder". 

In your photo, what you label as the "Seal-oil, 1B6256" is actually the
bottom of the idler body.  The photo labels the Bush correctly.  As long as
the foam is doing its job of keeping dirt out and is not completely
deteriorated and falling apart, it's O.K.  

If you are going to replace the Bush, you'll have to remove the idler arm.
You might as well then take the opportunity to replace the Seal.

Steve Byers

HBJ8L/36666

BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC  

From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Simon
Lachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:32 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Healeys] Steering idler bits

1)      I hope that I'm right in my belief that I've labelled the correct
same parts in the three attached pics??? I ask because they certainly don't
look the same; ie if you go from the parts book diagram to the two photos,
the rubber bush looks to be twice the size and the seal bears very little
resemblance to that in the diagram.

2)      Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in oil and filth - the
residue of a leak incurred while fixing the trafficator - I think we can
agree that the bush looks pretty well shot?

3)      Am I right in thinking that the seal and bush function to keep oil
in as well as dirt out? ie that its condition matters??

4)      On the assumption that the bush needs replacing and that I'm going
to do it ASAP, is the seal something that needs to be replaced as well or is
it reusable?

5)      Yes, I have a fair collection of manuals to which I always
refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at first glance, which is
full of hidden snags? I've not seen the dreaded words "Taking special tool"
but I can't be surprised any more by the unexpected in Healey land. Is this
a job requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a hidden snag or two?

Thanks,

Simon

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS","serif";color:#002060'>Simon, the =
Seal is inside the body of the idler and not visible when =
installed.&nbsp; The parts manual is showing an &quot;exploded&quot; =
view of the assembly.&nbsp; The Seal's function is to keep oil inside =
the idler body.&nbsp; The Bush is a foam &quot;dust excluder&quot;. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS","serif";color:#002060'>In your =
photo, what you label as the &quot;Seal-oil, 1B6256&quot; is actually =
the bottom of the idler body.&nbsp; The photo labels the Bush =
correctly.&nbsp; As long as the foam is doing its job of keeping dirt =
out and is not completely deteriorated and falling apart, it's =
O.K.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS","serif";color:#002060'>If you are =
going to replace the Bush, you'll have to remove the idler arm.&nbsp; =
You might as well then take the opportunity to replace the =
Seal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS","serif";color:#002060'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS","serif";color:#002060'>Steve Byers</span><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS","serif";color:#002060'>HBJ8L/36666</span><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS","serif";color:#002060'>BJ8 =
Registry</span><span style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS","serif";color:#002060'>AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span =
style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS","serif";color:#002060'>Havelock, =
NC&nbsp; </span><span style=3D'color:#002060'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Simon Lachlan<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 03, 2016 2:32 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] =
Steering idler bits<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>One for the experts........<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-GB><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-GB>I hope that I&#8217;m =
right in my belief that I&#8217;ve labelled the correct same parts in =
the three attached pics??? I ask because they certainly don&#8217;t look =
the same; ie if you go from the parts book diagram to the two photos, =
the rubber bush looks to be twice the size and the seal bears very =
little resemblance to that in the diagram.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-GB><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-GB>Leaving aside that the =
whole area is covered in oil and filth &#8211; the residue of a leak =
incurred while fixing the trafficator &#8211; I think we can agree that =
the bush looks pretty well shot?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-GB><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-GB>Am I right in thinking =
that the seal and bush function to keep oil in as well as dirt out? ie =
that its condition matters??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-GB><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-GB>On the assumption that =
the bush needs replacing and that I&#8217;m going to do it ASAP, is the =
seal something that needs to be replaced as well or is it =
reusable?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-GB><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>5)<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-GB>Yes, I have a fair =
collection of manuals to which I always refer.......But, is this one of =
those jobs, simple at first glance, which is full of hidden snags? =
I&#8217;ve not seen the dreaded words &#8220;Taking special tool&#8221; =
but I can&#8217;t be surprised any more by the unexpected in Healey =
land. Is this a job requiring big sockets and long bars or is there a =
hidden snag or two?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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From: "Earl Kagna" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 20:06:26 -0700

Jim - ouch that's hot!  But I'll bet that the Penrite - or John Deere corn 
head grease, which seems to work just as well (according to others) will not 
run at those high temps.  I used the Penrite because I managed to ahold of 
it, otherwise based on what others have experienced, I would have gone with 
the John Deere stuff.

One 500 ml bottle easily filled both the steering box and the idler

-----Original Message----- 
From: healeymanjim
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 7:46 PM
To: Earl Kagna
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits

earl, living here las vegas not only penrite, but even CV joint grease will 
leak out if the seal is not snug.  115 here last
week and the grease in my grease gun was almost liquid.

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Earl Kagna <[email-masked]>
>  To: Simon Lachlan <[email-masked]>, Healey List 
> <[email-masked]>
>  Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits
>  Sent: Aug 04 '16 05:57
>
>
>
>  Hello again Simon – greetings from British Columbia, Canada!
>
>  Can’t wait to hear who wins the race between you and your nephew
>  You’ve got it a bit wrong with the idler assembly: The oil seal is
>  normally not visible – it’s up in a recessed cavity inside the
>  lower part of the idler body when all is assembled. Your photos are
>  showing the lower part of the idler body itself – give it a bit of a
>  clean and you’ll find that it’s steel. The item below it that you
>  have identified as the ‘bush’ is actually a dust cover keeping the
>  huge pieces away from the seal itself. It’s made of some sort of
>  foam rubber – usually white. If memory serves, the same part is used
>  on the handbrake shaft as a dust / hot air excluder to (theoretically)
>  The bush is illustration # 16 - P/N 1B6257 in my parts book - and
>  serves to keep the idler shaft snug and working in the body. That way,
>  the oil leaks out of the bottom where it should.
>
>  It’s worth noting - the oil seal is quite thin - most rebuilders use
>  two of them stacked. There’s plenty of room in the idler body. This
>  gets at least one seal lip onto a virgin part of the shaft.
>
>  If you had the whole works dismantled and on the bench, it would all
>  be immediately obvious to you.
>
>  I fixed such a leak in situ in my tri-carb years ago by doing a sneaky
>  drain, and refilling it with Penrite steering box lube - the stuff is
>  purpose designed for these old beasts, and is quite thick - it
>  doesn’t dare leak!
>
>  If that’s what you are trying to do, there are a couple of little
>  tricks that will help.
>
>  Cheers ----
>
>  Earl Kagna
>  Victoria, B.C.
>  BJ8, BT7 tri-carb
>
>  FROM: Simon Lachlan
>  SENT: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 11:31 AM
>  TO: [email-masked]
>  SUBJECT: [Healeys] Steering idler bits
>
>  1) I hope that I’m right in my belief that I’ve labelled the
>  correct same parts in the three attached pics??? I ask because they
>  certainly don’t look the same; ie if you go from the parts book
>  diagram to the two photos, the rubber bush looks to be twice the size
>  and the seal bears very little resemblance to that in the diagram.
>
>  2) Leaving aside that the whole area is covered in oil and filth –
>  the residue of a leak incurred while fixing the trafficator – I
>  think we can agree that the bush looks pretty well shot?
>
>  4) On the assumption that the bush needs replacing and that I’m
>  going to do it ASAP, is the seal something that needs to be replaced
>  as well or is it reusable?
>
>  refer.......But, is this one of those jobs, simple at first glance,
>  which is full of hidden snags? I’ve not seen the dreaded words
>  “Taking special tool” but I can’t be surprised any more by the
>  unexpected in Healey land. Is this a job requiring big sockets and
>  long bars or is there a hidden snag or two?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Simon
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From: "Earl Kagna" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 22:02:58 -0700

Okay Jim, I give way to your experience with extreme heat.  It does get hot 
here on occasion, but not like that!

Cheers,  --  Earl

-----Original Message----- 
From: healeymanjim
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 9:52 PM
To: Earl Kagna
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering idler bits

never had any problem with leaking until moving here.  in winter you can 
barely squeeze that penrite out of the
container, but in summer it flows like 30W oil.  even the cv joint grease i 
use will leak a little, but i keep it cleaned up.

>  To: Healey List <[email-masked]>
>  Sent: Aug 04 '16 21:20

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