Subject: Re: [Healeys] top frames

From: Mike <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:45:42 -0700

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Thanks, Bill.  I was hoping for something easy, as usual.  I am able to 
get it together, but it takes a lot of effort.  I don't like to drive it 
with the top up, anyway, as the vision is terrible.  I do have a mirror 
on both fenders, which helps, but don't feel comfortable with the top 
up.  I'm too tall for LBCs, anyway.  I can't put the seat all the way 
back and still work the clutch properly, and so I stick up with my eyes 
level with the top of the windscreen.  Wish the seatback would recline 
further.  Complain, complain!  My third AH, you would think I like them.

Mike

On 8/27/2016 4:30 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
> Hey Mike,
>
> The only easy adjustment is the bolts at the latch that you describe. 
>  Have you run out of threads?
>
> The convertible top frame is bolted to the body just behind the seats 
> with 3 bolts on each side.  You could eke out a little adjustment by 
> loosening the 3 bolts and move the entire top frame forward a tad if 
> it will go.
>
> Another point of adjustment is the windscreen itself which can be 
> moved forward or backward a little and even tilted a bit.  Too much 
> adjustment here and your windscreen could hit the chrome vent window 
>  on the door glass frame.  Follow the windscreen frame down into the 
> door jamb and you'll see 2 bolts there.
>
> A third way is to undo the vinyl at the rear where it's attached by 
> little spring clips.  This will involve removing the entire seat back 
> assembly from the deck to get to the u shaped metal that is screwed to 
> the rain gutter.  Not a fun job.
>
> A 4th way is to remove the hidem strip across the front of the top 
> where the front wood bow is attached to the aluminum piece that rests 
> on the top of the windscreen, then loosen the vinyl and move it back a 
> tad.
>
> Be forewarned that any or all of these adjustments can get you into a 
> lot of hot water if not done incrementally and with a lot of 
> forethought.  Ask me how I know!
>
> Bill
> BJ8
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike <[email-masked]>
> To: Healey List <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2016 6:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] top frames
>
> While we're on the subject, my BJ8 top is extremely hard to latch onto 
> the windscreen.  Is there an adjustment other than the little bolts at 
> the latch?
>
> Mike
>
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    <p><font face="Tahoma">Thanks, Bill.  I was hoping for something
        easy, as usual.  I am able to get it together, but it takes a
        lot of effort.  I don't like to drive it with the top up,
        anyway, as the vision is terrible.  I do have a mirror on both
        fenders, which helps, but don't feel comfortable with the top
        up.  I'm too tall for LBCs, anyway.  I can't put the seat all the
        way back and still work the clutch properly, and so I stick up
        with my eyes level with the top of the windscreen.  Wish the
        seatback would recline further.  Complain, complain!  My third
        AH, you would think I like them.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Tahoma">Mike</font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2016 4:30 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:[email-masked]"
      type="cite"><font face="arial" color="black" size="2">Hey Mike,
        <div><br>
          <div>The only easy adjustment is the bolts at the latch that
            you describe.  Have you run out of threads?  </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>The convertible top frame is bolted to the body just
            behind the seats with 3 bolts on each side.  You could eke
            out a little adjustment by loosening the 3 bolts and move
            the entire top frame forward a tad if it will go.  </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Another point of adjustment is the windscreen itself
            which can be moved forward or backward a little and even
            tilted a bit.  Too much adjustment here and your windscreen
            could hit the chrome vent window  on the door glass frame.
             Follow the windscreen frame down into the door jamb and
            you'll see 2 bolts there.  </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>A third way is to undo the vinyl at the rear where it's
            attached by little spring clips.  This will involve removing
            the entire seat back assembly from the deck to get to the u
            shaped metal that is screwed to the rain gutter.  Not a fun
            job. </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>A 4th way is to remove the hidem strip across the front
            of the top where the front wood bow is attached to the
            aluminum piece that rests on the top of the windscreen, then
            loosen the vinyl and move it back a tad.  </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Be forewarned that any or all of these adjustments can
            get you into a lot of hot water if not done incrementally
            and with a lot of forethought.  Ask me how I know!</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Bill</div>
          <div>BJ8   <br>
            <br>
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                  <div>While we're on the subject, my BJ8 top is
                    extremely hard to latch onto the windscreen.  Is
                    there an adjustment other than the little bolts at
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From: "Earl Kagna" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:58:33 -0700

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Gentlemen:

I have just recently been fighting with this very problem on my freshly =
restored BJ8.

It seems that on most BJ7 / BJ8=E2=80=99s, in order to have a nice, =
relatively wrinkle free soft top installation (when it=E2=80=99s up), it =
has to be installed relatively tightly, and most are a bear to get =
latched.  I=E2=80=99ve seen more BJ8 owners struggling with their soft =
tops recently =E2=80=93 most of us are ageing (a bit!), and =
don=E2=80=99t have the finger / hand strength that we once had.

There are 2 components regarding this thing:  getting the latch hook to =
=E2=80=98snap=E2=80=99 over the fixed hook on the windshield frame, and =
then lifting the =E2=80=98tab=E2=80=99 on the latch itself to haul the =
top frame forward and lock it to the windshield.  You may have noticed =
that there is enough force when doing this to visibly move the =
windshield frame rearward =E2=80=93 that top frame applies a lot of =
force!

I have =E2=80=93 just recently - learned (at the Penticton Rendevous =
Meet) of a couple of techniques that promise to help.  One is to file a =
bevel on the latch hook to help it slide over the fixed hook.  Thanks to =
Kent Lambert of Oregon for that tip.  If you sit there and simply look =
at the bits as they engage, it will be immediately obvious where the =
latch hook needs to be filed.  I have just done this, but =
haven=E2=80=99t yet tried it out.  It may need further work, so I =
can=E2=80=99t yet comment.  When I was doing it, it seemed to make a big =
difference, but the top was already up and stretched (and it was a warm =
day).  Of course, once all the filing is done, the hook will have to be =
re-chromed. (at least mine will be).

The second item was a small assist handle made from a short length of =
appropriate sized conduit flattened at one end to slip over the latch =
=E2=80=98tab=E2=80=99 for additional leverage =E2=80=93 thanks to John =
Wilson for that little tip.  Haven=E2=80=99t gotten to that part yet, =
but I bet it will nicely solve the problem.

One other tip, which really applies to any Healey:  when the car is to =
be stored for any length of time, the top should be up and fully latched =
to combat shrinkage. ( that way, you can regularly check if you are =
getting weaker!)

PS =E2=80=93 I have installed a clutch pedal extender on both Healeys in =
order to be able to get the seat back further and still be comfortable =
operating the clutch.  Makes a huge difference, and I=E2=80=99m not all =
that tall.

Earl Kagna
Victoria, B.C.
BJ8, BT7 tri-carb
  =20

From: Mike=20
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM
To: [email-masked] ; Healey List=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] top frames

Thanks, Bill.  I was hoping for something easy, as usual.  I am able to =
get it together, but it takes a lot of effort.  I don't like to drive it =
with the top up, anyway, as the vision is terrible.  I do have a mirror =
on both fenders, which helps, but don't feel comfortable with the top =
up.  I'm too tall for LBCs, anyway.  I can't put the seat all the way =
back and still work the clutch properly, and so I stick up with my eyes =
level with the top of the windscreen.  Wish the seatback would recline =
further.  Complain, complain!  My third AH, you would think I like them.

Mike

  Hey Mike,=20

  The only easy adjustment is the bolts at the latch that you describe.  =
Have you run out of threads? =20

  The convertible top frame is bolted to the body just behind the seats =
with 3 bolts on each side.  You could eke out a little adjustment by =
loosening the 3 bolts and move the entire top frame forward a tad if it =
will go. =20

  Another point of adjustment is the windscreen itself which can be =
moved forward or backward a little and even tilted a bit.  Too much =
adjustment here and your windscreen could hit the chrome vent window  on =
the door glass frame.  Follow the windscreen frame down into the door =
jamb and you'll see 2 bolts there. =20

  A third way is to undo the vinyl at the rear where it's attached by =
little spring clips.  This will involve removing the entire seat back =
assembly from the deck to get to the u shaped metal that is screwed to =
the rain gutter.  Not a fun job.=20

  A 4th way is to remove the hidem strip across the front of the top =
where the front wood bow is attached to the aluminum piece that rests on =
the top of the windscreen, then loosen the vinyl and move it back a tad. =
=20

  Be forewarned that any or all of these adjustments can get you into a =
lot of hot water if not done incrementally and with a lot of =
forethought.  Ask me how I know!

  Bill
  BJ8  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mike mailto:[email-masked]
  To: Healey List mailto:[email-masked]
  Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2016 6:28 pm
  Subject: Re: [Healeys] top frames

  While we're on the subject, my BJ8 top is extremely hard to latch onto =
the windscreen.  Is there an adjustment other than the little bolts at =
the latch?

  Mike
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<DIV>Gentlemen:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have just recently been fighting with this very problem on my =
freshly=20
restored BJ8.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It seems that on most BJ7 / BJ8=E2=80=99s, in order to have a nice, =
relatively=20
wrinkle free soft top installation (when it=E2=80=99s up), it has to be =
installed=20
relatively tightly, and most are a bear to get latched.&nbsp; =
I=E2=80=99ve seen more BJ8=20
owners struggling with their soft tops recently =E2=80=93 most of us are =
ageing (a=20
bit!), and don=E2=80=99t have the finger / hand strength that we once =
had.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There are 2 components regarding this thing:&nbsp; getting the =
latch hook=20
to =E2=80=98snap=E2=80=99 over the fixed hook on the windshield frame, =
and then lifting the=20
=E2=80=98tab=E2=80=99 on the latch itself to haul the top frame forward =
and lock it to the=20
windshield.&nbsp; You may have noticed that there is enough force when =
doing=20
this to visibly move the windshield frame rearward =E2=80=93 that top =
frame applies a=20
lot of force!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have =E2=80=93 just recently - learned (at the Penticton =
Rendevous Meet) of a=20
couple of techniques that promise to help.&nbsp; One is to file a bevel =
on the=20
latch hook to help it slide over the fixed hook.&nbsp; Thanks to Kent =
Lambert of=20
Oregon for that tip.&nbsp; If you sit there and simply look at the bits =
as they=20
engage, it will be immediately obvious where the latch hook needs to be=20
filed.&nbsp; I have just done this, but haven=E2=80=99t yet tried it =
out.&nbsp; It may=20
need further work, so I can=E2=80=99t yet comment.&nbsp; When I was =
doing it, it seemed=20
to make a big difference, but the top was already up and stretched (and =
it was a=20
warm day).&nbsp; Of course, once all the filing is done, the hook will =
have to=20
be re-chromed. (at least mine will be).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The second item was a small assist handle made from a short length =
of=20
appropriate sized conduit flattened at one end to slip over the latch =
=E2=80=98tab=E2=80=99 for=20
additional leverage =E2=80=93 thanks to John Wilson for that little =
tip.&nbsp; Haven=E2=80=99t=20
gotten to that part yet, but I bet it will nicely solve the =
problem.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>One other tip, which really applies to any Healey:&nbsp; when the =
car is to=20
be stored for any length of time, the top should be up and fully latched =
to=20
combat shrinkage. ( that way, you can regularly check if you are getting =

weaker!)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>PS =E2=80=93 I have installed a clutch pedal extender on both =
Healeys in order to=20
be able to get the seat back further and still be comfortable operating =
the=20
clutch.&nbsp; Makes a huge difference, and I=E2=80=99m not all that =
tall.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: =
#141100">Earl=20
Kagna<BR>Victoria, B.C.<BR>BJ8, BT7 tri-carb</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Mike</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
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DISPLAY: inline'>
<P><FONT face=3DTahoma>Thanks, Bill.&nbsp; I was hoping for something =
easy, as=20
usual.&nbsp; I am able to get it together, but it takes a lot of =
effort.&nbsp; I=20
don't like to drive it with the top up, anyway, as the vision is =
terrible.&nbsp;=20
I do have a mirror on both fenders, which helps, but don't feel =
comfortable with=20
the top up.&nbsp; I'm too tall for LBCs, anyway.&nbsp; I can't put the =
seat all=20
the way back and still work the clutch properly, and so I stick up with =
my eyes=20
level with the top of the windscreen.&nbsp; Wish the seatback would =
recline=20
further.&nbsp; Complain, complain!&nbsp; My third AH, you would think I =
like=20
them.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DTahoma>Mike</FONT><BR></P><BR>
<DIV class=3Dmoz-cite-prefix>On 8/27/2016 4:30 PM, <A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid:[email-masked]=20
  type=3D"cite"><FONT color=3Dblack size=3D2 face=3Darial>Hey Mike,=20
  <DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The only easy adjustment is the bolts at the latch that you=20
  describe.&nbsp; Have you run out of threads?&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The convertible top frame is bolted to the body just behind the =
seats=20
  with 3 bolts on each side.&nbsp; You could eke out a little adjustment =
by=20
  loosening the 3 bolts and move the entire top frame forward a tad if =
it will=20
  go.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Another point of adjustment is the windscreen itself which can be =
moved=20
  forward or backward a little and even tilted a bit.&nbsp; Too much =
adjustment=20
  here and your windscreen could hit the chrome vent window&nbsp; on the =
door=20
  glass frame.&nbsp; Follow the windscreen frame down into the door jamb =
and=20
  you'll see 2 bolts there.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>A third way is to undo the vinyl at the rear where it's attached =
by=20
  little spring clips.&nbsp; This will involve removing the entire seat =
back=20
  assembly from the deck to get to the u shaped metal that is screwed to =
the=20
  rain gutter.&nbsp; Not a fun job. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>A 4th way is to remove the hidem strip across the front of the =
top where=20
  the front wood bow is attached to the aluminum piece that rests on the =
top of=20
  the windscreen, then loosen the vinyl and move it back a tad.&nbsp; =
</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Be forewarned that any or all of these adjustments can get you =
into a lot=20
  of hot water if not done incrementally and with a lot of =
forethought.&nbsp;=20
  Ask me how I know!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Bill</DIV>
  <DIV>BJ8&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR><BR>
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  Sat, Aug 27, 2016 6:28 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Healeys] top frames<BR><BR>
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