Subject: [Healeys] Overheating query

From: "Simon Lachlan" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 17:19:41 +0100

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Hi,

This isn't the usual one ...."my car always runs hot; what's the cure?" etc

No, this is my very own original.....

Background:-

1)      The car, MkII BT7, has never had overheating issues before today.

2)      It has a new, 12 month, modern design radiator.

3)      It has the correct type(original design) Smiths sleeved thermostat.
(5 years old +/-).

4)      The waterpump was in the car when I bought the car +/- 25 yrs ago.

Today's symptoms:- 

1)      I took it out to the pub today and, on returning, I noticed that
there was HEAT and then that the gauge was off the scale.

2)      There was plenty of coolant in the rad and it didn't seem overly
hot.

3)      I didn't have much time, but I got the impression that the rad was
not blowing steam or making more of a "cooling-off noise" than usual.

4)      I also got the impression that the engine was hotter than the rad.

Is this typical of a failed water pump?

How can one differentiate between thermostat issues and waterpump issues?

Any ideas?

Simon

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class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>This =
isn&#8217;t the usual one ....&#8221;my car always runs hot; =
what&#8217;s the cure?&#8221; etc<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>No, =
this is my very own original.....<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Background:-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>The car, MkII BT7, has never had overheating =
issues before today.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>It has a new, 12 month, modern design =
radiator.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>It has the correct type(original design) Smiths =
sleeved thermostat. (5 years old +/-).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>The waterpump was in the car when I bought the =
car +/- 25 yrs ago.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Today&#8217;s =
symptoms:- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>I took it out to the pub today and, on =
returning, I noticed that there was HEAT and then that the gauge was off =
the scale.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>There was plenty of coolant in the rad and it =
didn&#8217;t seem overly hot.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>3)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>I didn&#8217;t have much time, but I got the =
impression that the rad was not blowing steam or making more of a =
&#8220;cooling-off noise&#8221; than usual.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>4)<span =
style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span><![endif]>I also got the impression that the engine was =
hotter than the rad.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Is this typical =
of a failed water pump?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>How can one =
differentiate between thermostat issues and waterpump =
issues?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Any ideas?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Simon<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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Hi Simon,
It is very unusual for a water pump to stop pumping, I had that happen once
on a TR7 but that is  totally different type of pump. I would imagine that
it could happen if the impellor came loose on the shaft but then the seal
would almost certainly start leaking..IMHO forget the pump.
What you are describing sounds very like a thermostat failure. I haven't
studied the Smiths (retro) type thermostats closely but many earlier
designs of thermostats had a very bad design flaw in that they used to go
to the "closed" position when they failed.
I'm pretty sure that most modern thermostats are of the "fail safe" design
in that they fail in the open position.
The easiest test is just to remove the thermostat and see if the
overheating goes away.
To test the thermostat put it in a pot and bring the water temp up to the
boil ... you should be able to see the thermostat open before the water
boils.
Hope that helps..
M

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Simon Lachlan <[email-masked]=
k
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This isn=E2=80=99t the usual one ....=E2=80=9Dmy car always runs hot; wha=
t=E2=80=99s the cure?=E2=80=9D etc
> 3)      It has the correct type(original design) Smiths sleeved
> thermostat. (5 years old +/-).
>
> 4)      The waterpump was in the car when I bought the car +/- 25 yrs ago=
.
>
> Today=E2=80=99s symptoms:-
>
> 2)      There was plenty of coolant in the rad and it didn=E2=80=99t seem=
 overly
> hot.
>
> 3)      I didn=E2=80=99t have much time, but I got the impression that th=
e rad
> was not blowing steam or making more of a =E2=80=9Ccooling-off noise=E2=
=80=9D than usual.
>
> 4)      I also got the impression that the engine was hotter than the rad=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Simon,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">It is=
 very unusual for a water pump to stop pumping, I had that happen once on a=
 TR7 but that is=C2=A0 totally different type of pump. I would imagine that=
 it could happen if the impellor came loose on the shaft but then the seal =
would almost certainly start leaking..IMHO forget the pump.<br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:small">What you are describing sounds very like a thermostat failure. I=
 haven&#39;t studied the Smiths (retro) type thermostats closely but many e=
arlier designs of thermostats had a very bad design flaw in that they used =
to go to the &quot;closed&quot; position when they failed. <br></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:small">I&#39;m pretty sure that most modern thermostats are of the &quo=
t;fail safe&quot; design in that they fail in the open position.<br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:small">The easiest test is just to remove the thermostat and see i=
f the overheating goes away.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">To test the thermost=
at put it in a pot and bring the water temp up to the boil ... you should b=
e able to see the thermostat open before the water boils.<br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:small">Hope that helps..<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
small"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Simon Lachlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">simon.lac=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-GB"><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">This isn=E2=80=99t the usu=
al one ....=E2=80=9Dmy car always runs hot; what=E2=80=99s the cure?=E2=80=
=9D etc<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">No, this is my very own ori=
ginal.....<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Background:-<u></u><u></=
u></p><p><u></u><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>The car, MkII BT7, =
has never had overheating issues before today.<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><=
span>2)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>It has a new, 12 month, modern desi=
gn radiator.<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u=
></u>It has the correct type(original design) Smiths sleeved thermostat. (5=
 years old +/-).<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0=
pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></spa=
n><u></u>The waterpump was in the car when I bought the car +/- 25 yrs ago.=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Today=E2=80=99s symptoms:- <u></u>=
<u></u></p><p><u></u><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>I took it out =
to the pub today and, on returning, I noticed that there was HEAT and then =
that the gauge was off the scale.<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>2)<span =
style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>There was plenty of coolant in the rad and it d=
idn=E2=80=99t seem overly hot.<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>3)<span sty=
le=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 </span></span><u></u>I didn=E2=80=99t have much time, but I got the imp=
ression that the rad was not blowing steam or making more of a =E2=80=9Ccoo=
ling-off noise=E2=80=9D than usual.<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>4)<spa=
n style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>I also got the impression that the engine was h=
otter than the rad.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is this typical=
 of a failed water pump?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How can on=
e differentiate between thermostat issues and waterpump issues?<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Any ideas?<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><u></u><u></u></f=
ont></span></p><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">Simon<u></u><u></u></p></font></span></div></div><br>____________=
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From: Richard Ewald <[email-masked]>
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There is one mode of failure for a water pump that can cause sudden
overheating.  If the impeller either corrodes and falls apart or the
impeller comes off the shaft, no water will circulate except by
thermo-syphon.  Neither of these are common, but they can happen.
Then of course there was the plastic impellers for MG water pumps that
would get soft and fall off when the coolant got hot.
Rick

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 1:40 PM, BJ8Healeys <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Water pumps usually do not fail suddenly, but get noisy and leak out the
> weep hole in the bottom of the pump housing when they begin to fail.  I
> would suspect the thermostat failed closed, preventing the coolant from
> reaching the radiator.
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Si=
mon
> Lachlan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:20 PM
> *To:* 'Healey List'
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Overheating query
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
.
 overly
e rad
=80=9D than usual.
.
> options/healeys/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">There is one mode of failure for a water pump that can cau=
se sudden overheating.=C2=A0 If the impeller either corrodes and falls apar=
t or the impeller comes off the shaft, no water will circulate except by th=
ermo-syphon.=C2=A0 Neither of these are common, but they can happen.<div>Th=
en of course there was the plastic impellers for MG water pumps that would =
get soft and fall off when the coolant got hot. =C2=A0</div><div>Rick</div>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep=
 7, 2016 at 1:40 PM, BJ8Healeys <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sby=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"p=
urple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic S=
ans MS&quot;;color:#002060">Water pumps usually do not fail suddenly, but g=
et noisy and leak out the weep hole in the bottom of the pump housing when =
they begin to fail.=C2=A0 I would suspect the thermostat failed closed, pre=
venting the coolant from reaching the radiator.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;co=
lor:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060">Steve Byer=
s</span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:#0020=
60">HBJ8L/36666</span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quo=
t;;color:#002060">BJ8 Registry</span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Co=
mic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060">AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span style=
=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:#002060">Havelock, NC=C2=
=A0 </span><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans M=
S&quot;;color:#002060"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"bo=
rder:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Healeys [mailto=
:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healey=
s-bounces@autox.<wbr>team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan<br><b>=
Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> &#39;Healey =
List&#39;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Overheating query<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This isn=E2=80=99t the usual one ....=E2=
=80=9Dmy car always runs hot; what=E2=80=99s the cure?=E2=80=9D etc<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">No, this is my=
 very own original.....<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB">Background:-<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB"><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB">The car, MkII BT7, has never had overheating issues before today.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><span>2)<span style=3D"f=
ont:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </spa=
n></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB">It has a new, 12 month, modern =
design radiator.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><sp=
an>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB">It has the=
 correct type(original design) Smiths sleeved thermostat. (5 years old +/-)=
.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><span>4)<span styl=
e=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 </span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The waterpump was in the =
car when I bought the car +/- 25 yrs ago.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Today=E2=80=99s symptoms:- <u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7.0=
pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></spa=
n></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I took it out to the pub today and, on=
 returning, I noticed that there was HEAT and then that the gauge was off t=
he scale.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><span>2)<s=
pan style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB">There was plenty=
 of coolant in the rad and it didn=E2=80=99t seem overly hot.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt=
 &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span>=
</span><u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I didn=E2=80=99t have much time, but I g=
ot the impression that the rad was not blowing steam or making more of a =
=E2=80=9Ccooling-off noise=E2=80=9D than usual.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p>=
<u></u><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><span>4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times N=
ew Roman&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span></span><u></u>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB">I also got the impression that the engine was hotter t=
han the rad.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-GB">Is this typical of a failed water pump?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">How can one differentiate between th=
ermostat issues and waterpump issues?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Any ideas?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></d=
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