Subject: Re: [Healeys] Spokes & Tubes

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 20:14:07 -0700

I broke several on my BJ8 when I first bought it with painted 
60-spokers.  Bought 72-spoke SS/chrome Daytons soon after, no problems 
since (over 100K miles).

Bob

On 9/9/2016 11:16 AM, Charlie Frazer wrote:
> Rich Kahn’s post and the following discussion about the HF tire changer began with his need to install inner tubes because of air loss and to replace broken spokes.
> I’m curious to know how common those problems are among wire wheel owners.
>
> I ask because after returning from a 1200 mile trip to Rendezvous earlier this summer I discovered a rear wheel with 15 consecutive broken spokes, a pretty frightening percentage on a 60-spoke wheel.  I bought the wheels new and they have about 12,000 miles on them.  Never raced or abused.  Needless to say, they are past the 3 year warranty period.
>
> How common is the problem of broken spokes?
> Thanks,
> Charlie Frazer
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:15:03 -0700

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Its important to check your spikes and snug up the collars as part of
regular maintenance. Thats why I swapped my 48 spikes for disc wheel disc
brakes in 1980.
Glad you got home safely.

Ira Erbs
1959 100-6
MKI engine and disc brakes
Portland,OR

On Sep 9, 2016 6:00 PM, "Charlie Frazer" <[email-masked]> wrote:

Rich Kahn=E2=80=99s post and the following discussion about the HF tire cha=
nger
began with his need to install inner tubes because of air loss and to
replace broken spokes.
I=E2=80=99m curious to know how common those problems are among wire wheel =
owners.

I ask because after returning from a 1200 mile trip to Rendezvous earlier
this summer I discovered a rear wheel with 15 consecutive broken spokes, a
pretty frightening percentage on a 60-spoke wheel.  I bought the wheels new
and they have about 12,000 miles on them.  Never raced or abused.  Needless
to say, they are past the 3 year warranty period.

[email-masked]

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Its important to check your spikes and snug up the collars a=
s part of regular maintenance. Thats why I swapped my 48 spikes for disc wh=
eel disc brakes in 1980.<br>
Glad you got home safely.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<br>
1959 100-6<br>
MKI engine and disc brakes<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 9, 2016 6:=
00 PM, &quot;Charlie Frazer&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">Rich Kahn=E2=80=99s post and the following discussion about the =
HF tire changer began with his need to install inner tubes because of air l=
oss and to replace broken spokes.<br>
I=E2=80=99m curious to know how common those problems are among wire wheel =
owners.<br>
<br>
I ask because after returning from a 1200 mile trip to Rendezvous earlier t=
his summer I discovered a rear wheel with 15 consecutive broken spokes, a p=
retty frightening percentage on a 60-spoke wheel.=C2=A0 I bought the wheels=
 new and they have about 12,000 miles on them.=C2=A0 Never raced or abused.=
=C2=A0 Needless to say, they are past the 3 year warranty period.<br>
<br>
How common is the problem of broken spokes?<br>
Thanks,<br>
Charlie Frazer<br>
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From: Charlie Frazer <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 21:30:23 -0700

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I appreciate your point Ira, but if you order wheels set up for tubeless =
from Dayton, they seal the bottoms of the nuts to the rim to prevent air =
leaks.
Tightening the nuts breaks the seal and then your tires lose air.
This is not to say that a failed wheel is preferable, just that fussing =
with the nuts brings on another set of problems.  And, just tightening =
the nuts doesn=92t assure that the wheel is true.
That=92s why I=92m asking if this is a common problem.  Maybe I got a =
bad set.
Charlie

On Sep 9, 2016, at 9:15 PM, i erbs <[email-masked]> wrote:

Its important to check your spikes and snug up the collars as part of =
regular maintenance. Thats why I swapped my 48 spikes for disc wheel =
disc brakes in 1980.
Glad you got home safely.

Ira Erbs
1959 100-6

On Sep 9, 2016 6:00 PM, "Charlie Frazer" <[email-masked]> wrote:
Rich Kahn=92s post and the following discussion about the HF tire =
changer began with his need to install inner tubes because of air loss =
and to replace broken spokes.
I=92m curious to know how common those problems are among wire wheel =
owners.

I ask because after returning from a 1200 mile trip to Rendezvous =
earlier this summer I discovered a rear wheel with 15 consecutive broken =
spokes, a pretty frightening percentage on a 60-spoke wheel.  I bought =
the wheels new and they have about 12,000 miles on them.  Never raced or =
abused.  Needless to say, they are past the 3 year warranty period.

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charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I =
appreciate your point Ira, but if you order wheels set up for tubeless =
from Dayton, they seal the bottoms of the nuts to the rim to prevent air =
leaks.<div>Tightening the nuts breaks the seal and then your tires lose =
air.</div><div>This is not to say that a failed wheel is preferable, =
just that fussing with the nuts brings on another set of problems. =
&nbsp;And, just tightening the nuts doesn=92t assure that the wheel is =
true.</div><div>That=92s why I=92m asking if this is a common problem. =
&nbsp;Maybe I got a bad =
set.</div><div>Charlie</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 9, 2016, at 9:15 =
PM, i erbs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><p =
dir=3D"ltr">Its important to check your spikes and snug up the collars =
as part of regular maintenance. Thats why I swapped my 48 spikes for =
disc wheel disc brakes in 1980.<br>
Glad you got home safely.</p><p dir=3D"ltr">Ira Erbs<br>
1959 100-6<br>
MKI engine and disc brakes<br>
Portland,OR</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 9, 2016 =
6:00 PM, "Charlie Frazer" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">Rich Kahn=92s post and the following discussion =
about the HF tire changer began with his need to install inner tubes =
because of air loss and to replace broken spokes.<br>
I=92m curious to know how common those problems are among wire wheel =
owners.<br>
<br>
I ask because after returning from a 1200 mile trip to Rendezvous =
earlier this summer I discovered a rear wheel with 15 consecutive broken =
spokes, a pretty frightening percentage on a 60-spoke wheel.&nbsp; I =
bought the wheels new and they have about 12,000 miles on them.&nbsp; =
Never raced or abused.&nbsp; Needless to say, they are past the 3 year =
warranty period.<br>
<br>
How common is the problem of broken spokes?<br>
Thanks,<br>
Charlie Frazer<br>
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From: "Corning, Dan (D.C.)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:57:33 +0000

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Assuming wire wheels will at some point need broken spokes replaced and tru=
ing, and this breaks the tubeless seal, are tubeless wheels advisable?

Dan Corning

I appreciate your point Ira, but if you order wheels set up for tubeless fr=
om Dayton, they seal the bottoms of the nuts to the rim to prevent air leak=
s.
Tightening the nuts breaks the seal and then your tires lose air.
This is not to say that a failed wheel is preferable, just that fussing wit=
h the nuts brings on another set of problems.  And, just tightening the nut=
s doesn't assure that the wheel is true.
That's why I'm asking if this is a common problem.  Maybe I got a bad set.

Charlie

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t need broken spokes replaced and truing, and this breaks the tubeless seal=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I appreciate your point Ira, but if you order wheels=
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rim to prevent air leaks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tightening the nuts breaks the seal and then your ti=
res lose air.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is not to say that a failed wheel is preferable=
, just that fussing with the nuts brings on another set of problems. &nbsp;=
And, just tightening the nuts doesn&#8217;t assure that the wheel is true.<=
o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m asking if this is a commo=
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From: rkeysor <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 14:42:52 +0000 (UTC)

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While working for the Dayton Daily News as a reporter in 1963, I owned a BT=
7 with painted wires. =C2=A0This car had been actively (on=C2=A0the track) =
drag raced by its previous=C2=A0owner, a law student from Cleveland. =C2=A0=
It had a number of broken spokes. =C2=A0Since I was in Dayton, I naturally =
took it to Dayton Wire Wheel, which I recall was actually in nearby Xenia a=
t the time. I arrived noonish, and the only =C2=A0person on hand, I believe=
, was the proprietor. =C2=A0This man cut out all of the broken spokes (can'=
t remember how many) and replaced and repainted them. =C2=A0I think the cha=
rge for this was very modest. =C2=A0The man also offered =C2=A0to sell me a=
 new set of Dayton wire wheels, saying that the design of the originals was=
 inadequate for the power generated by Healey 3000 engine. =C2=A0I don't kn=
ow whether this is true, but when he showed me difference in design of the =
two wheels, his observation made sense. =C2=A0I have replaced a few spokes =
on one wheel on of my BN7's chrome 60-spoke wheels, Dayton's, I assume. It'=
s a tedious job, requiring, of course, the removal of the tire and also the=
 removal of a couple of adjoining spokes to replace each broken spoke. =C2=
=A0Though I am experienced at tensioning bicycle wheel spokes--I own the as=
sociated gear--I made no effort to true the replacement spokes. =C2=A0I sim=
ply tensioned them as best I could. This car, then and now, runs down the r=
oad so perfectly--not a trace of cowl shake or anything--that I am afraid t=
o even replace the now somewhat dated tires.=20

    On Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:18 AM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.=
net> wrote:
=20

 I broke several on my BJ8 when I first bought it with painted=20
60-spokers.=C2=A0 Bought 72-spoke SS/chrome Daytons soon after, no problems=
=20
since (over 100K miles).

Bob

On 9/9/2016 11:16 AM, Charlie Frazer wrote:
> Rich Kahn=E2=80=99s post and the following discussion about the HF tire c=
hanger began with his need to install inner tubes because of air loss and t=
o replace broken spokes.
> I=E2=80=99m curious to know how common those problems are among wire whee=
l owners.
>
> I ask because after returning from a 1200 mile trip to Rendezvous earlier=
 this summer I discovered a rear wheel with 15 consecutive broken spokes, a=
 pretty frightening percentage on a 60-spoke wheel.=C2=A0 I bought the whee=
ls new and they have about 12,000 miles on them.=C2=A0 Never raced or abuse=
d.=C2=A0 Needless to say, they are past the 3 year warranty period.

[email-masked]

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16_0_ym19_1_1473516069057_11015" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_=
1473516069057_11014">While working for the Dayton Daily News as a reporter =
in 1963, I owned a BT7 with painted wires. &nbsp;This car had been actively=
 (on&nbsp;the track) drag raced by its previous&nbsp;owner, a law student f=
rom Cleveland. &nbsp;It had a number of broken spokes. &nbsp;Since I was in=
 Dayton, I naturally took it to Dayton Wire Wheel, which I recall was actua=
lly in nearby Xenia at the time. I arrived noonish, and the only &nbsp;pers=
on on hand, I believe, was the proprietor. &nbsp;This man cut out all of th=
e broken spokes (can't remember how many) and replaced and repainted them. =
&nbsp;I think the charge for this was very modest. &nbsp;The man also offer=
ed &nbsp;to sell me a new set of Dayton wire wheels, saying that the design=
 of the originals was inadequate for the power generated by Healey 3000 eng=
ine. &nbsp;I don't know whether this is true, but when he showed me differe=
nce in design of the two wheels, his observation made sense. &nbsp;I have r=
eplaced a few spokes on one wheel on of my BN7's chrome 60-spoke wheels, Da=
yton's, I assume. It's a tedious job, requiring, of course, the removal of =
the tire and also the removal of a couple of adjoining spokes to replace ea=
ch broken spoke. &nbsp;Though I am experienced at tensioning bicycle wheel =
spokes--I own the associated gear--I made no effort to true the replacement=
 spokes. &nbsp;I simply tensioned them as best I could. This car, then and =
now, runs down the road so perfectly--not a trace of cowl shake or anything=
--that I am afraid to even replace the now somewhat dated tires.</span></di=
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0, 2016 4:18 AM, Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br></font>=
</div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container">I broke several on my BJ8 w=
hen I first bought it with painted <br>60-spokers.&nbsp; Bought 72-spoke SS=
/chrome Daytons soon after, no problems <br>since (over 100K miles).<br><br=
>Bob<br><br><br>On 9/9/2016 11:16 AM, Charlie Frazer wrote:<br>&gt; Rich Ka=
hn=E2=80=99s post and the following discussion about the HF tire changer be=
gan with his need to install inner tubes because of air loss and to replace=
 broken spokes.<br>&gt; I=E2=80=99m curious to know how common those proble=
ms are among wire wheel owners.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I ask because after returni=
ng from a 1200 mile trip to Rendezvous earlier this summer I discovered a r=
ear wheel with 15 consecutive broken spokes, a pretty frightening percentag=
e on a 60-spoke wheel.&nbsp; I bought the wheels new and they have about 12=
,000 miles on them.&nbsp; Never raced or abused.&nbsp; Needless to say, the=
y are past the 3 year warranty period.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; How common is the pr=
oblem of broken spokes?<br>&gt; Thanks,<br>&gt; Charlie Frazer<br>&gt;<br>&=
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From: "Al Fuller" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:33:32 -0400

Charley:

Similar to you, I found 15 or 16 spokes broken on a wheel that was just a
few years old, and had never been abused.  

I contacted the seller, and he indicated there had been a bad batch of
stainless spokes from the factory in the time period when I bought my
wheels.  He promptly offered to repair the wheel for the cost of the spokes
[no labor charge].  I sent the wheel in, and although it wound up being not
repairable [too far out of round], I still appreciated the gesture, and do
plan to use the same seller again in the future.

FWIW, the replacement wheel I bought is from a different wheel manufacturer
- as they no longer deal with the original manufacturer.

Al Fuller
al at bighealey dot org
'65 BJ-8
'85 Rx-7

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From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Charlie
Frazer
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 2:16 PM
To: Ahealey help <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] Spokes & Tubes

Rich Kahn's post and the following discussion about the HF tire changer
began with his need to install inner tubes because of air loss and to
replace broken spokes.
I'm curious to know how common those problems are among wire wheel owners.

$12.75

[email-masked]

http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]

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From: "Earl Kagna" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:42:50 -0700

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Dan:

It depends.  I run 72 spoke chrome wheels on both Healeys.  The tri-carb =
has approx. 10 year old Daytons =E2=80=93 tubeless - on it.  =
I=E2=80=99ve never has a problem with them needing to be trued, and they =
are well sealed =E2=80=93 no air leaks in 25 =E2=80=93 30 thousand =
miles.  The 72 spoke wheels not only have more spokes than the =
48=E2=80=99 and 60=E2=80=99s, but the spoke is a heavier (thicker) wire =
gauge that is unlikely to need trueing in normal use.  So tubeless would =
be a good gamble with these wheels.

About 3 =E2=80=934 years ago, I bought the second set  of Daytons =
=E2=80=93 from Allen Hendrix for the BJ8, along with a friend who bought =
a set at the same time for his BJ8.  These wheels were ordered tubeless, =
but when they were checked, they were found to be so far out of true =
from the factory that Allen had to true them all and install tubes in =
order to have them run even close to properly on the cars.   It was =
obvious that Dayton was having production problems at the time, al least =
with that wheel size.  It seems that the MWS wheels are built to a much =
better quality standard these days.  I wouldn=E2=80=99t hesitate to run =
tubeless on the stronger wheels now.

Earl Kagna
Victoria, B.C.
BJ8, BT7 tri-carb

   =20

From: Corning, Dan (D.C.)=20
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:57 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Spokes & Tubes

Assuming wire wheels will at some point need broken spokes replaced and =
truing, and this breaks the tubeless seal, are tubeless wheels =
advisable?

Dan Corning

=20

=20

This is not to say that a failed wheel is preferable, just that fussing =
with the nuts brings on another set of problems.  And, just tightening =
the nuts doesn=E2=80=99t assure that the wheel is true.

That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m asking if this is a common problem.  =
Maybe I got a bad set.

=20

Charlie

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<DIV>Dan:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It depends.&nbsp; I run 72 spoke chrome wheels on both =
Healeys.&nbsp; The=20
tri-carb has approx. 10 year old Daytons =E2=80=93 tubeless - on =
it.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve never=20
has a problem with them needing to be trued, and they are well sealed =
=E2=80=93 no air=20
leaks in 25 =E2=80=93 30 thousand miles.&nbsp; The 72 spoke wheels not =
only have more=20
spokes than the 48=E2=80=99 and 60=E2=80=99s, but the spoke is a heavier =
(thicker) wire gauge=20
that is unlikely to need trueing in normal use.&nbsp; So tubeless would =
be a=20
good gamble with these wheels.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>About 3 =E2=80=934 years ago, I bought the second set&nbsp; of =
Daytons =E2=80=93 from Allen=20
Hendrix for the BJ8, along with a friend who bought a set at the same =
time for=20
his BJ8.&nbsp; These wheels were ordered tubeless, but when they were =
checked,=20
they were found to be so far out of true from the factory that Allen had =
to true=20
them all and install tubes in order to have them run even close to =
properly on=20
the cars.&nbsp;&nbsp; It was obvious that Dayton was having production =
problems=20
at the time, al least with that wheel size.&nbsp; It seems that the MWS =
wheels=20
are built to a much better quality standard these days.&nbsp; I =
wouldn=E2=80=99t=20
hesitate to run tubeless on the stronger wheels now.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: =
#141100">Earl=20
Kagna<BR>Victoria, B.C.<BR>BJ8, BT7 tri-carb</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Corning, Dan (D.C.)</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Spokes &amp; Tubes</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Lucida Bright","serif"'>Assuming =
wire=20
wheels will at some point need broken spokes replaced and truing, and =
this=20
breaks the tubeless seal, are tubeless wheels =
advisable?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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"Calibri","sans-serif"'><BR></SPAN><SPAN=20
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Corning<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I appreciate your point Ira, but if you order =
wheels set up=20
for tubeless from Dayton, they seal the bottoms of the nuts to the rim =
to=20
prevent air leaks.<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Tightening the nuts breaks the seal and then your =
tires lose=20
air.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>This is not to say that a failed wheel is =
preferable, just=20
that fussing with the nuts brings on another set of problems.&nbsp; And, =
just=20
tightening the nuts doesn=E2=80=99t assure that the wheel is =
true.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>That=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m asking if this is a =
common problem.&nbsp;=20
Maybe I got a bad set.<o:p></o:p></P>
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