Subject: Re: [Healeys] GR8 engine will not turn over after a good run

From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 15:38:44 +0100

Charge the battery!!! and check the dynamo/alternator for its proper 
functioning. Also check the starter relay and the earth strap connections.

212F (boiling point water) is way to high to see on the temperature 
gauge under normal conditions, not to mention 230F. It should be well 
below 190F0-200F depending on your thermostat. It would be wise to check 
the gauge for accuracy. It may be faulty as you do not mention any 
boiling.The actual boiling point of the coolant is higher because the 
anti-freeze/anti corrosion additives and also because of the pressure in 
the cooling system.

Kees Oudesluijs

Op 27-11-2020 om 15:22 schreef R F BEGANI via Healeys:
> I took my Healey out for a late afternoon run of 40 highway miles. The temperature on the gauge stayed at 212 degrees until driving the last few miles so I switched on the fan which kept the temperature below 230 degrees. Drove the car into the garage and let it idle for a few minutes and turned it off. The temperature was over 230 degrees which is normal. I waited 5 minutes and tried to turn on the engine.  It groaned and suites downed and no electric functions. Since yesterday when turning on the ignition the fuel pump operates, but, when I engage the starter everything shuts down. I checked the 2 fuses and they are fine. Where do I begin to restore starting the engine.
>
> Bob Begani.
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From: Michael Salter via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 09:40:08 -0500

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I would suggest, after checking the battery connections you connect a volt
meter between the power terminal on the starter and then check the voltage
that shows as you turn the key to the "start" position.
Do not hold the "start" position for more than a couple of seconds as
starter damage can occur.
The voltage should be around 10 VDC.
Report back.

M

On Fri., Nov. 27, 2020, 9:25 a.m. R F BEGANI via Healeys, <
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> I took my Healey out for a late afternoon run of 40 highway miles. The
> temperature on the gauge stayed at 212 degrees until driving the last few
> miles so I switched on the fan which kept the temperature below 230
> degrees. Drove the car into the garage and let it idle for a few minutes
> and turned it off. The temperature was over 230 degrees which is normal. I
> waited 5 minutes and tried to turn on the engine.  It groaned and suites
> downed and no electric functions. Since yesterday when turning on the
> ignition the fuel pump operates, but, when I engage the starter everything
> shuts down. I checked the 2 fuses and they are fine. Where do I begin to
> restore starting the engine.
>
> Bob Begani.
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"auto">I would suggest, after checking the battery connections y=
ou connect a volt meter between the power terminal on the starter and then =
check the voltage that shows as you turn the key to the &quot;start&quot; p=
osition.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">Do not hold the &quot;start&quot; pos=
ition for more than a couple of seconds as starter damage can occur.=C2=A0<=
div dir=3D"auto">The voltage should be around 10 VDC.</div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Report back.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Fri., Nov. 27, 2020, 9:25 a.m. R F BEGANI via Healeys, &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I took my Healey out for a late after=
noon run of 40 highway miles. The temperature on the gauge stayed at 212 de=
grees until driving the last few miles so I switched on the fan which kept =
the temperature below 230 degrees. Drove the car into the garage and let it=
 idle for a few minutes and turned it off. The temperature was over 230 deg=
rees which is normal. I waited 5 minutes and tried to turn on the engine.=
=C2=A0 It groaned and suites downed and no electric functions. Since yester=
day when turning on the ignition the fuel pump operates, but, when I engage=
 the starter everything shuts down. I checked the 2 fuses and they are fine=
. Where do I begin to restore starting the engine.<br>
<br>
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From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 09:55:30 -0500

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Sorry my suggestion should read:
* I would suggest, after checking the battery connections you connect a
volt meter between the power terminal on the starter and a good ground then
check the voltage....*

*M*

>> restore starting the engine.

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ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Sorry my suggestion should read:</div><di=
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default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><i>=
M<br></i></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 9:40 AM Michael Salter &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto=
">I would suggest, after checking the battery connections you connect a vol=
t meter between the power terminal on the starter and then check the voltag=
e that shows as you turn the key to the &quot;start&quot; position.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">Do not hold the &quot;start&quot; position for more=
 than a couple of seconds as starter damage can occur.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"aut=
o">The voltage should be around 10 VDC.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Report back.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri., N=
ov. 27, 2020, 9:25 a.m. R F BEGANI via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:heale=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I took my Healey=
 out for a late afternoon run of 40 highway miles. The temperature on the g=
auge stayed at 212 degrees until driving the last few miles so I switched o=
n the fan which kept the temperature below 230 degrees. Drove the car into =
the garage and let it idle for a few minutes and turned it off. The tempera=
ture was over 230 degrees which is normal. I waited 5 minutes and tried to =
turn on the engine.=C2=A0 It groaned and suites downed and no electric func=
tions. Since yesterday when turning on the ignition the fuel pump operates,=
 but, when I engage the starter everything shuts down. I checked the 2 fuse=
s and they are fine. Where do I begin to restore starting the engine.<br>
<br>
Bob Begani. <br>
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From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 17:45:00 +0000

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I agree with Kees. The temps seem very high. You didn=92t mention oil press=
ure while this was happening. My first impulse would be to try turning the =
engine over manually to make sure the problem isn=92t a spun bearing. Then =
check the starter, solenoid, power supply and low current circuit condition=
s respectively. I realize that the usual sequence is to work through the le=
ast expensive items first, but in this case damage can be done to the cheap=
er components if the more serious ones are not cleared first.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Michael Salter =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 2:55 PM
To: R F BEGANI <[email-masked]>
Cc: Healey Email list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] GR8 engine will not turn over after a good run

Sorry my suggestion should read:
I would suggest, after checking the battery connections you connect a volt =
meter between the power terminal on the starter and a good ground then chec=
k the voltage....

M

On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 9:40 AM Michael Salter <[email-masked]<mai=
lto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
I would suggest, after checking the battery connections you connect a volt =
meter between the power terminal on the starter and then check the voltage =
that shows as you turn the key to the "start" position.
Do not hold the "start" position for more than a couple of seconds as start=
er damage can occur.
The voltage should be around 10 VDC.
Report back.

M

On Fri., Nov. 27, 2020, 9:25 a.m. R F BEGANI via Healeys, <[email-masked]=
I took my Healey out for a late afternoon run of 40 highway miles. The temp=
erature on the gauge stayed at 212 degrees until driving the last few miles=
 so I switched on the fan which kept the temperature below 230 degrees. Dro=
ve the car into the garage and let it idle for a few minutes and turned it =
off. The temperature was over 230 degrees which is normal. I waited 5 minut=
es and tried to turn on the engine.  It groaned and suites downed and no el=
ectric functions. Since yesterday when turning on the ignition the fuel pum=
p operates, but, when I engage the starter everything shuts down. I checked=
 the 2 fuses and they are fine. Where do I begin to restore starting the en=
gine.

Bob Begani.

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archiv=
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<div>I agree with Kees. The temps seem very high. You didn=92t mention oil =
pressure while this was happening. My first impulse would be to try turning=
 the engine over manually to make sure the problem isn=92t a spun bearing. =
Then check the starter, solenoid, power
 supply and low current circuit conditions respectively. I realize that the=
 usual sequence is to work through the least expensive items first, but in =
this case damage can be done to the cheaper components if the more serious =
ones are not cleared first.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill Lawrence</div>
<div>BN1 #554</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Michael Salter &lt;michaelsalter@gma=
il.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 27, 2020 2:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> R F BEGANI &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Healey Email list &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
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Sorry my suggestion should read:</div>
<div class=3D"x_gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-seri=
f; font-size:small">
<i>I would suggest, after checking the battery connections you connect a vo=
lt meter between the power terminal on the starter
<b><u>and a good ground</u> </b>then check the voltage....</i></div>
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f; font-size:small">
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f; font-size:small">
<i>M<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 9:40 AM Mic=
hael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">michaelsalter@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"auto">I would suggest, after checking the battery connections y=
ou connect a volt meter between the power terminal on the starter and then =
check the voltage that shows as you turn the key to the &quot;start&quot; p=
osition.&nbsp;&nbsp;
<div dir=3D"auto">Do not hold the &quot;start&quot; position for more than =
a couple of seconds as starter damage can occur.&nbsp;
<div dir=3D"auto">The voltage should be around 10 VDC.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">Report back.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto">M</div>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"x_gmail_attr">On Fri., Nov. 27, 2020, 9:25 a.m. R=
 F BEGANI via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204); padding-left:1ex">
I took my Healey out for a late afternoon run of 40 highway miles. The temp=
erature on the gauge stayed at 212 degrees until driving the last few miles=
 so I switched on the fan which kept the temperature below 230 degrees. Dro=
ve the car into the garage and let
 it idle for a few minutes and turned it off. The temperature was over 230 =
degrees which is normal. I waited 5 minutes and tried to turn on the engine=
.&nbsp; It groaned and suites downed and no electric functions. Since yeste=
rday when turning on the ignition the
 fuel pump operates, but, when I engage the starter everything shuts down. =
I checked the 2 fuses and they are fine. Where do I begin to restore starti=
ng the engine.<br>
<br>
Bob Begani. <br>
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