Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Clutch Springs

From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:43:19 -0700

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--===============3055544225970493009==
 boundary="------------E722F777AF56B55FBB907F84"
Content-Language: en-US

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------E722F777AF56B55FBB907F84
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I believe the shop manual says the springs 'must be renewed at overhaul' 
(or similar Britism). Mine looked fine at over 200K miles, but I sprung 
(heh) for new. Not cheap, but pulling gearboxes and, especially getting 
the O/D to mate up to it is no fun either.

On 10/10/2021 1:05 PM, Henry G Leach via Healeys wrote:
> Harold- I would purchase replacement springs from Overdrive Spares in 
> UK. It appears that you would want to get 4 new short springs (the're 
> tired), and if all 4 long look equally correct you could re-use them. 
> The importance being that together they "equally" put pressure on the 
> clutch lining to keep the car in direct drive (without slipping).  Be 
> sure to put the shorts (inner) and long (outer) in properly or they 
> will coil bind and really not work well.
>
> I don't know the spring rates, but if you get them from OD Spares, 
> they will be the right ones for the job. Be sure to give them the 
> overdrive number on the casing for reference to get the correct set. 
> Moss has them as well as AH Spares, but did they come from OD Spares, 
> or made in ...?  Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Harold Manifold via Healeys"
> To: "[email-masked]"
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday October 10 2021 12:20:46PM
> Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Clutch Springs
>
> I am rebuilding a 22/3087 Overdrive from a BJ7. What should the free 
> length of the clutch springs be? All 8 are made from 0.095” diameter 
> wire. The long springs measure 4-7/16” to 4-15/32” and the short 
> springs are 4-1/16” to 4-1/8”. The manual states the springs should be 
> 4-1/2” and 4-1/4”. I was surprised the short springs are more 
> undersized than the long springs.
>
> I saw some mention that the clutch springs in earlier OD models were 
> made from two different wire sizes. Does anyone know the wire diameter 
> of length of new springs from a reputable supplier?
>
> Thanks… Harold
>
>

--------------E722F777AF56B55FBB907F84
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  </head>
  <body>
    I believe the shop manual says the springs 'must be renewed at
    overhaul' (or similar Britism). Mine looked fine at over 200K miles,
    but I sprung (heh) for new. Not cheap, but pulling gearboxes and,
    especially getting the O/D to mate up to it is no fun either.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2021 1:05 PM, Henry G Leach
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:3b02cbba059b5abdf1f3b12f6e7e5b214c7dc6f6@webmail">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Harold- I would purchase replacement springs from Overdrive Spares
      in UK. It appears that you would want to get 4 new short springs
      (the're tired), and if all 4 long look equally correct you could
      re-use them. The importance being that together they "equally" put
      pressure on the clutch lining to keep the car in direct drive
      (without slipping).  Be sure to put the shorts (inner) and long
      (outer) in properly or they will coil bind and really not work
      well.
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I don't know the spring rates, but if you get them from OD
        Spares, they will be the right ones for the job. Be sure to give
        them the overdrive number on the casing for reference to get the
        correct set. Moss has them as well as AH Spares, but did they
        come from OD Spares, or made in ...?  Hank<br>
        <br>
        <p>-----------------------------------------</p>
        From: "Harold Manifold via Healeys" <[email-masked]><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">"[email-masked]"</a><br>
          Cc: <br>
          Sent: Sunday October 10 2021 12:20:46PM<br>
          Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Clutch Springs<br>
          <br>
          <div class="WordSection1">
            <p class="MsoNormal">I am rebuilding a 22/3087 Overdrive
              from a
              BJ7. What should the free length of the clutch springs be?
              All 8
              are made from 0.095” diameter wire. The long springs
              measure
              4-7/16” to 4-15/32” and the short springs are 4-1/16” to
              4-1/8”.
              The manual states the springs should be 4-1/2” and 4-1/4”.
              I was
              surprised the short springs are more undersized than the
              long
              springs.</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I saw some mention that the clutch
              springs in
              earlier OD models were made from two different wire sizes.
              Does
              anyone know the wire diameter of length of new springs
              from a
              reputable supplier?</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks… Harold</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
        </[email-masked]></div>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </body>
</html>

--------------E722F777AF56B55FBB907F84--

--===============3055544225970493009==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archive

[email-masked]
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys

--===============3055544225970493009==--

---

From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:44:48 +0100

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

--===============5678653310336823732==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01D7BE20.12122950"
Content-Language: en-gb

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D7BE20.12122950
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99ve been up to ODSpares twice, once very recently. =
Dave=E2=80=99s the man when it comes to overdrives. The work he did was =
excellent and the parts were considerably cheaper than from the usual =
suspects. Most of the various =E2=80=9Cspecial=E2=80=9D parts that our =
usual guys sell come from OD Spares.

OD Spares:-=20

Dave Twigger

10 Arches Business Centre
Mill Road
RUGBY CV21 1QW
England

Tel: 01788 540666
Fax: 01788 570777

=20

What impressed me was that he positively talked me out of purchasing =
some parts. No =E2=80=9Cbetter replace it while you=E2=80=99ve got the =
chance.=E2=80=9D It was more like, =E2=80=9Cthese things last forever; =
don=E2=80=99t touch it=E2=80=9D.

To set a hare running again, he said 40 or 30wt non-detergent or 20-50 =
but NO additives.

Simon

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Henry G =
Leach via Healeys
Sent: 10 October 2021 21:06
To: 'Harold Manifold' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive Clutch Springs

=20

Harold- I would purchase replacement springs from Overdrive Spares in =
UK. It appears that you would want to get 4 new short springs (the're =
tired), and if all 4 long look equally correct you could re-use them. =
The importance being that together they "equally" put pressure on the =
clutch lining to keep the car in direct drive (without slipping).  Be =
sure to put the shorts (inner) and long (outer) in properly or they will =
coil bind and really not work well.

=20

I don't know the spring rates, but if you get them from OD Spares, they =
will be the right ones for the job. Be sure to give them the overdrive =
number on the casing for reference to get the correct set. Moss has them =
as well as AH Spares, but did they come from OD Spares, or made in ...?  =
Hank

From: "Harold Manifold via Healeys"=20
Cc:=20
Sent: Sunday October 10 2021 12:20:46PM
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive Clutch Springs

I am rebuilding a 22/3087 Overdrive from a BJ7. What should the free =
length of the clutch springs be? All 8 are made from 0.095=E2=80=9D =
diameter wire. The long springs measure 4-7/16=E2=80=9D to =
4-15/32=E2=80=9D and the short springs are 4-1/16=E2=80=9D to =
4-1/8=E2=80=9D. The manual states the springs should be 4-1/2=E2=80=9D =
and 4-1/4=E2=80=9D. I was surprised the short springs are more =
undersized than the long springs.

=20

I saw some mention that the clutch springs in earlier OD models were =
made from two different wire sizes. Does anyone know the wire diameter =
of length of new springs from a reputable supplier?

=20

Thanks=E2=80=A6 Harold

=20

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D7BE20.12122950
	charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta =
name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered =
medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#0563C1;
	text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#954F72;
	text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoNoSpacing, li.MsoNoSpacing, div.MsoNoSpacing
	{mso-style-priority:1;
	margin:0cm;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	mso-fareast-language:EN-US;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
	{mso-style-name:msonormal;
	mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
	margin-right:0cm;
	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
	margin-left:0cm;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle20
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
	color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
	margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-GB =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I=E2=80=99ve been up to ODSpares =
twice, once very recently. Dave=E2=80=99s the man when it comes to =
overdrives. The work he did was excellent and the parts were =
considerably cheaper than from the usual suspects. Most of the various =
=E2=80=9Cspecial=E2=80=9D parts that our usual guys sell come from OD =
Spares.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNoSpacing><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>OD =
Spares:- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNoSpacing><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Dave =
Twigger<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>10 Arches =
Business Centre<br>Mill Road<br>RUGBY CV21 1QW<br>England</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=3DMsoNormalTable =
border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D638 =
style=3D'width:478.5pt'><tr><td width=3D628 valign=3Dtop =
style=3D'width:471.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>Tel: 01788 540666<br>Fax: 01788 =
570777<br>E-Mail: </span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>What impressed me was that he positively =
talked me out of purchasing some parts. No =E2=80=9Cbetter replace it =
while you=E2=80=99ve got the chance.=E2=80=9D It was more like, =
=E2=80=9Cthese things last forever; don=E2=80=99t touch =
it=E2=80=9D.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;color:black'>To set a hare running again, he said 40 or =
30wt non-detergent or 20-50 but NO =
additives.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Henry G Leach =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 10 October 2021 21:06<br><b>To:</b> 'Harold =
Manifold' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Overdrive Clutch Springs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Harold- I =
would purchase replacement springs from Overdrive Spares in UK. It =
appears that you would want to get 4 new short springs (the're tired), =
and if all 4 long look equally correct you could re-use them. The =
importance being that together they &quot;equally&quot; put pressure on =
the clutch lining to keep the car in direct drive (without =
slipping).&nbsp; Be sure to put the shorts (inner) and long (outer) in =
properly or they will coil bind and really not work =
well.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I don't know the spring rates, but if you =
get them from OD Spares, they will be the right ones for the job. Be =
sure to give them the overdrive number on the casing for reference to =
get the correct set. Moss has them as well as AH Spares, but did they =
come from OD Spares, or made in ...?&nbsp; =
Hank<o:p></o:p></p><p>-----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: =
&quot;Harold Manifold via Healeys&quot; <br>To: &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&quot;<b=
r>Cc: <br>Sent: Sunday October 10 2021 12:20:46PM<br>Subject: [Healeys] =
Overdrive Clutch Springs<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I am =
rebuilding a 22/3087 Overdrive from a BJ7. What should the free length =
of the clutch springs be? All 8 are made from 0.095=E2=80=9D diameter =
wire. The long springs measure 4-7/16=E2=80=9D to 4-15/32=E2=80=9D and =
the short springs are 4-1/16=E2=80=9D to 4-1/8=E2=80=9D. The manual =
states the springs should be 4-1/2=E2=80=9D and 4-1/4=E2=80=9D. I was =
surprised the short springs are more undersized than the long =
springs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I saw some =
mention that the clutch springs in earlier OD models were made from two =
different wire sizes. Does anyone know the wire diameter of length of =
new springs from a reputable supplier?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks=E2=80=
=A6 Harold<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01D7BE20.12122950--

--===============5678653310336823732==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============5678653310336823732==--