Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head weight

From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:23:56 -0400

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We are struggling with head gasket problems on a newly rebuilt engine BT7
engine at present so will be following this discussion closely.
Regarding lifting the head off with the engine in the car.
With the manifolds on we managed reasonably easily with 1 person on each
side lifting the rear of the head and 1 at the front. Bit of a grunt but
possible with 3 somewhat elderly folks.

M

On Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:15 p.m. Fred Wescoe via Healeys, <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> It appears that I may have to pull the head (some oil in the radiator
> fluid) on my 66 BJ8 and I may (likely) have to replace the head gasket.  I
> am going to leave the engine in the car.  I have pulled the head of my BJ7
> but that was many years ago.  I will need help physically (I'm older now)
> to pull the BJ8 head.  Does anyone know what the *actual weight* of just
> the head is?  I need to determine how many people I need to help me.  Of
> course, I will remove everything from the head before pulling it and then
> place a straight edge on the head and block to determine if I have
> additional issues to deal with.  Hopefully not but I will check.
>
> Do I use sealant on the new head gasket and if so what type?   One side or
> both sides?
>
> After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices and quality, what are
> the thoughts about sources for a good quality head gasket, without being
> gouged.  Entering the cold months, I have plenty of time to do this right.
> Is there anything I should be on the lookout for, or check before buttoning
> up things?
>
> I want to do this just once but I do want to do it completely and
> correctly.  So, any words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.
>
> Thanks as always,
>
> Fred
> 66BJ8
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<div dir=3D"auto">We are struggling with head gasket problems on a newly re=
built=C2=A0engine BT7 engine at present so will be following this discussio=
n closely.<div dir=3D"auto">Regarding lifting the head off with the engine =
in the car.</div><div dir=3D"auto">With the manifolds on we managed reasona=
bly easily with 1 person on each side lifting the rear of the head and 1 at=
 the front. Bit of a grunt but possible with 3 somewhat elderly folks.</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue., Oct. 26, 20=
21, 10:15 p.m. Fred Wescoe via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox=
.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Listers,<div><br></div><div>It appears that =
I may have to pull the head (some oil in the radiator fluid) on my 66 BJ8 a=
nd I may (likely) have to replace the head gasket.=C2=A0 I am going to leav=
e the engine in the car.=C2=A0 I have pulled the head of my BJ7 but that wa=
s many years ago.=C2=A0 I will need help physically (I&#39;m older now) to =
pull the BJ8 head.=C2=A0 Does anyone know what the <b>actual weight</b> of =
just the head is?=C2=A0 I need to determine how many people I need=C2=A0to =
help me.=C2=A0 Of course, I will remove everything from the head before pul=
ling it and then place a straight edge on the head and block to determine i=
f I have additional issues to deal with.=C2=A0 Hopefully not but I will che=
ck.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Do I use sealant=C2=A0on the new h=
ead gasket and if so what type?=C2=A0 =C2=A0One side or both sides?</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices and =
quality, what are the thoughts about sources for a good quality head gasket=
, without being gouged.=C2=A0 Entering the cold months, I have plenty of ti=
me to do this right.=C2=A0 Is there anything I should be on the=C2=A0lookou=
t for, or check before buttoning up things?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
I want to do this just once but I do want to do it completely and correctly=
.=C2=A0 So, any words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div>Thanks as always,</div><div><br></div><div>Fred</div><div>66BJ=
8</div></div>
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From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:31:25 +0800

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Hi Fred -

I'd say having a couple moderatly strong people to lift it out is probably
enough, main thing is to slide it up on top of the studs, although I am
able to do it myself but the six cyl is a bear.

In terms of head gasket, there's a couple of approaches:

One is to use the old standard copper gasket and then spray both sides with
a thin layer of spray hylomar or permatex copper spray a gasket.

The other option is to get the composite gasket from SC parts, which is a
really nice unit, as long as your deck and head aren't too far out, the
composite gasket is superior and will save you from having to shave things
flat, which the copper gasket prefers and the steel gaskets need.
Personally I'm not a fan of surfacing the head or deck... so the composite
gaskets that SC parts sell is a really nice option.  they are
beautifully made.

https://www.scparts.co.uk/sc_en/british-cars/austin-healey/austin-healey-bn1-to-bj8-1953-1968/engine/cylinder-head-bn4-from-48863-bn6-bn7-bt7-bj7-and-bj8/cylinder-head-gasket-1328.html

Best,

Alan

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Fred -<div><br></div><div>I&#39;d say =
having a couple moderatly strong people to lift it out is probably enough, =
main thing is to slide it up on top of the studs, although I am able to do =
it myself but the six cyl is a bear.<br><br>In terms of head gasket, there&=
#39;s a couple of approaches:=C2=A0 <br><br>One is to use the old standard =
copper gasket and then spray both sides with a thin layer of spray hylomar =
or permatex copper spray a gasket.=C2=A0 <br><br>The other option is to get=
 the composite=C2=A0gasket from SC parts, which is a really nice unit, as l=
ong as your deck and head aren&#39;t too far out, the composite gasket is s=
uperior and will save you from having to shave things flat, which the coppe=
r gasket prefers and the steel gaskets need.=C2=A0 Personally I&#39;m not a=
 fan of surfacing the head or deck... so the composite gaskets that SC part=
s sell is a really nice option.=C2=A0 they are beautifully=C2=A0made.<br><b=
r><a href=3D"https://www.scparts.co.uk/sc_en/british-cars/austin-healey/aus=
tin-healey-bn1-to-bj8-1953-1968/engine/cylinder-head-bn4-from-48863-bn6-bn7=
-bt7-bj7-and-bj8/cylinder-head-gasket-1328.html">https://www.scparts.co.uk/=
sc_en/british-cars/austin-healey/austin-healey-bn1-to-bj8-1953-1968/engine/=
cylinder-head-bn4-from-48863-bn6-bn7-bt7-bj7-and-bj8/cylinder-head-gasket-1=
328.html</a><br><br>Best,<br><br>Alan<br><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
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From: richard mayor via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:25:46 -0700

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A 6 cylinder head weighs 91 lbs.  I have built many race engines over the
years and never used any kind of sealant. I always used Payen head gaskets.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:15 PM Fred Wescoe via Healeys <
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<div dir=3D"ltr">A 6 cylinder head weighs 91 lbs.=C2=A0 I have built many r=
ace engines over the years and never used any kind of sealant. I always use=
d Payen head gaskets. <br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:15 PM Fred Wescoe via H=
ealeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Listers,<div><br></div><div>It appears that I may have to =
pull the head (some oil in the radiator fluid) on my 66 BJ8 and I may (like=
ly) have to replace the head gasket.=C2=A0 I am going to leave the engine i=
n the car.=C2=A0 I have pulled the head of my BJ7 but that was many years a=
go.=C2=A0 I will need help physically (I&#39;m older now) to pull the BJ8 h=
ead.=C2=A0 Does anyone know what the <b>actual weight</b> of just the head =
is?=C2=A0 I need to determine how many people I need=C2=A0to help me.=C2=A0=
 Of course, I will remove everything from the head before pulling it and th=
en place a straight edge on the head and block to determine if I have addit=
ional issues to deal with.=C2=A0 Hopefully not but I will check.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Do I use sealant=C2=A0on the new head gasket a=
nd if so what type?=C2=A0 =C2=A0One side or both sides?</div><div><br></div=
><div>After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices and quality, wha=
t are the thoughts about sources for a good quality head gasket, without be=
ing gouged.=C2=A0 Entering the cold months, I have plenty of time to do thi=
s right.=C2=A0 Is there anything I should be on the=C2=A0lookout for, or ch=
eck before buttoning up things?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I want to do=
 this just once but I do want to do it completely and correctly.=C2=A0 So, =
any words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.<br></div><div><br></div><div=
>Thanks as always,</div><div><br></div><div>Fred</div><div>66BJ8</div></div=
>
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From: "m.g.sharp--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:23:19 -0400

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Fred, I can add to Mike=E2=80=99s comment as it is my BT7 we were =
working on.  We had used the head gasket that came with the head set =
supplied by MOSS.  As the engine warmed up I had coolant leaking out =
almost the entire length of the block/head seam, and coming up through =
several of the head studs.  This was not a localized leak and I would =
describe it as complete failure of the gasket as far as the coolant =
passages are concerned.  There was no evidence of oil leakage, but I =
think I am correct in saying that all but one of the oil passages =
between the head and block are for drainage back down to the sump and =
thus not under pressure.  There was no water/steam in the exhaust and =
the car fired evenly (it sounded great!) and no coolant in the cylinders =
after we removed the head, so it looks like just the coolant was =
leaking.  However remember the motor had been running for only about 15 =
min total over several gentle warm/cool cycles.  FYI, I use a correct 7 =
lb rad cap.

=20

On removing the head we could find no evidence of any problem.  The =
gasket looked fine, so we really do not know the cause of the failure.  =
This was a complete rebuild so both the head and the block faces were =
machined.

=20

I ordered a =E2=80=9CPremium=E2=80=9D head gasket which was supplied by =
A-H Spares via Healey Autofarm here in Ontario (thanks Amanda for the =
quick service).  My understanding (i.e., I don=E2=80=99t know for a =
fact) is that A-H Spares has these Premium gaskets made and supplies =
them to others, including MOSS.  It is pricey and the prices vary, so =
shop around.  Neither Mike nor I could discern any visible difference =
between the =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=9D head gasket and the Premium one =
(except for the part number), although we did not measure the thickness =
and the material that is sandwiched between the copper/steel outer =
layers may well be a different material or thickness.

=20

There is much debate about using a gasket dressing or not and I have =
never seen any actual evidence that using it helps the sealing; it is =
all anecdotal evidence (e.g., =E2=80=9CI have/have not used a head =
dressing for 40 years and never had a problem=E2=80=9D).  Neither Mike =
nor I have ever used a head gasket dressing in other rebuilds so =
although we discussed it we did not apply any.  Curiously, the MOSS tech =
expert finally responded to my request to discuss the issue (about a 3 =
week response time!).  He has apparently rebuild many Healey engines and =
always uses a gasket dressing.  Take what you want from that.  He had no =
explanation or helpful suggestions that Mike and I had not already =
discussed.

=20

The head is now torqued down and the rocker shaft is on and torqued.  I =
plan to get everything else bolted up this week and will re-start the =
engine, perhaps tomorrow.  I=E2=80=99d be grateful if all listers could =
keep their fingers crossed tomorrow in the hopes that positive vibes =
will compensate for any lack of quality in current head gaskets for =
Healeys.

=20

BTW, it was two elderly folk and one pretty strong young buck that =
removed the head w/manifolds =E2=80=93 my 30 something friend Dan might =
be cheesed as being referred to as elderly!  I had lifted the head with =
manifolds once before so knew it could be done, but this was a BT7 and I =
am unfamiliar with the details of a BJ7 engine bay and whether there are =
any added complications.  I suggest if you lift it with the manifolds, =
rest the head on top of the studs when you lift it and remove the two =
intake manifold drain pipes, and do the same in reverse (as they are a =
real bugger to get on later) and you would have to lift the head very =
high when removing if you left them on.  Frankly, use of an engine =
lift/chain fall would be safer (but less exciting) if you have access to =
one.

=20

Stay tuned!  Mirek

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Michael =
Salter
Sent: October 26, 2021 10:24 PM
To: healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head weight

=20

We are struggling with head gasket problems on a newly rebuilt engine =
BT7 engine at present so will be following this discussion closely.

With the manifolds on we managed reasonably easily with 1 person on each =
side lifting the rear of the head and 1 at the front. Bit of a grunt but =
possible with 3 somewhat elderly folks.

=20

M

=20

On Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:15 p.m. Fred Wescoe via Healeys, =

Listers,

=20

It appears that I may have to pull the head (some oil in the radiator =
fluid) on my 66 BJ8 and I may (likely) have to replace the head gasket.  =
I am going to leave the engine in the car.  I have pulled the head of my =
BJ7 but that was many years ago.  I will need help physically (I'm older =
now) to pull the BJ8 head.  Does anyone know what the actual weight of =
just the head is?  I need to determine how many people I need to help =
me.  Of course, I will remove everything from the head before pulling it =
and then place a straight edge on the head and block to determine if I =
have additional issues to deal with.  Hopefully not but I will check. =20

=20

Do I use sealant on the new head gasket and if so what type?   One side =
or both sides?

=20

After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices and quality, what =
are the thoughts about sources for a good quality head gasket, without =
being gouged.  Entering the cold months, I have plenty of time to do =
this right.  Is there anything I should be on the lookout for, or check =
before buttoning up things?=20

=20

I want to do this just once but I do want to do it completely and =
correctly.  So, any words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.

=20

Thanks as always,

=20

Fred

66BJ8

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys =
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Fred, I can add to Mike=E2=80=99s =
comment as it is my BT7 we were working on.=C2=A0 We had used the head =
gasket that came with the head set supplied by MOSS.=C2=A0 As the engine =
warmed up I had coolant leaking out almost the entire length of the =
block/head seam, and coming up through several of the head studs.=C2=A0 =
This was not a localized leak and I would describe it as complete =
failure of the gasket as far as the coolant passages are =
concerned.=C2=A0 There was no evidence of oil leakage, but I think I am =
correct in saying that all but one of the oil passages between the head =
and block are for drainage back down to the sump and thus not under =
pressure.=C2=A0 There was no water/steam in the exhaust and the car =
fired evenly (it sounded great!) and no coolant in the cylinders after =
we removed the head, so it looks like just the coolant was =
leaking.=C2=A0 However remember the motor had been running for only =
about 15 min total over several gentle warm/cool cycles.=C2=A0 FYI, I =
use a correct 7 lb rad cap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On removing =
the head we could find no evidence of any problem.=C2=A0 The gasket =
looked fine, so we really do not know the cause of the failure.=C2=A0 =
This was a complete rebuild so both the head and the block faces were =
machined.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I ordered a =
=E2=80=9CPremium=E2=80=9D head gasket which was supplied by A-H Spares =
via Healey Autofarm here in Ontario (thanks Amanda for the quick =
service).=C2=A0 My understanding (i.e., I don=E2=80=99t know for a fact) =
is that A-H Spares has these Premium gaskets made and supplies them to =
others, including MOSS.=C2=A0 It is pricey and the prices vary, so shop =
around.=C2=A0 Neither Mike nor I could discern any visible difference =
between the =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=9D head gasket and the Premium one =
(except for the part number), although we did not measure the thickness =
and the material that is sandwiched between the copper/steel outer =
layers may well be a different material or =
thickness.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is =
much debate about using a gasket dressing or not and I have never seen =
any actual evidence that using it helps the sealing; it is all anecdotal =
evidence (e.g., =E2=80=9CI have/have not used a head dressing for 40 =
years and never had a problem=E2=80=9D).=C2=A0 Neither Mike nor I have =
ever used a head gasket dressing in other rebuilds so although we =
discussed it we did not apply any.=C2=A0 Curiously, the MOSS tech expert =
finally responded to my request to discuss the issue (about a 3 week =
response time!).=C2=A0 He has apparently rebuild many Healey engines and =
always uses a gasket dressing.=C2=A0 Take what you want from that.=C2=A0 =
He had no explanation or helpful suggestions that Mike and I had not =
already discussed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The head is =
now torqued down and the rocker shaft is on and torqued. =C2=A0I plan to =
get everything else bolted up this week and will re-start the engine, =
perhaps tomorrow.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d be grateful if all listers could =
keep their fingers crossed tomorrow in the hopes that positive vibes =
will compensate for any lack of quality in current head gaskets for =
Healeys.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>BTW, it was =
two elderly folk and one pretty strong young buck that removed the head =
w/manifolds =E2=80=93 my 30 something friend Dan might be cheesed as =
being referred to as elderly!=C2=A0 I had lifted the head with manifolds =
once before so knew it could be done, but this was a BT7 and I am =
unfamiliar with the details of a BJ7 engine bay and whether there are =
any added complications.=C2=A0 I suggest if you lift it with the =
manifolds, rest the head on top of the studs when you lift it and remove =
the two intake manifold drain pipes, and do the same in reverse (as they =
are a real bugger to get on later) and you would have to lift the head =
very high when removing if you left them on.=C2=A0 Frankly, use of an =
engine lift/chain fall would be safer (but less exciting) if you have =
access to one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Stay =
tuned!=C2=A0 Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael =
Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> October 26, 2021 10:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Head =
weight<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>We are =
struggling with head gasket problems on a newly rebuilt&nbsp;engine BT7 =
engine at present so will be following this discussion =
closely.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Regarding lifting the =
head off with the engine in the car.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>With the manifolds on we managed reasonably easily =
with 1 person on each side lifting the rear of the head and 1 at the =
front. Bit of a grunt but possible with 3 somewhat elderly =
folks.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>M<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:15 p.m. Fred Wescoe via Healeys, &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Listers,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It appears that I may have to pull the head (some oil =
in the radiator fluid) on my 66 BJ8 and I may (likely) have to replace =
the head gasket.&nbsp; I am going to leave the engine in the car.&nbsp; =
I have pulled the head of my BJ7 but that was many years ago.&nbsp; I =
will need help physically (I'm older now) to pull the BJ8 head.&nbsp; =
Does anyone know what the <b>actual weight</b> of just the head =
is?&nbsp; I need to determine how many people I need&nbsp;to help =
me.&nbsp; Of course, I will remove everything from the head before =
pulling it and then place a straight edge on the head and block to =
determine if I have additional issues to deal with.&nbsp; Hopefully not =
but I will check.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Do I use sealant&nbsp;on the new head gasket and if so =
what type?&nbsp; &nbsp;One side or both =
sides?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices =
and quality, what are the thoughts about sources for a good quality head =
gasket, without being gouged.&nbsp; Entering the cold months, I have =
plenty of time to do this right.&nbsp; Is there anything I should be on =
the&nbsp;lookout for, or check before buttoning up =
things?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
want to do this just once but I do want to do it completely and =
correctly.&nbsp; So, any words of wisdom are certainly =
appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks as always,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Fred<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>66BJ8<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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=E2=80=A6 my next option if the =E2=80=9CPremium=E2=80=9D gasket =
fails????

=20

From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: October 26, 2021 10:37 PM
To: Mirek Sharp <[email-masked]>
Subject: Fwd: [Healeys] Head weight

=20

These look interesting. May be the answer to what we are dealing with.

=20

M

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked] =
Date: Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:32 p.m.
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head weight

=20

Hi Fred -

=20

I'd say having a couple moderatly strong people to lift it out is =
probably enough, main thing is to slide it up on top of the studs, =
although I am able to do it myself but the six cyl is a bear.

In terms of head gasket, there's a couple of approaches: =20

One is to use the old standard copper gasket and then spray both sides =
with a thin layer of spray hylomar or permatex copper spray a gasket. =20

The other option is to get the composite gasket from SC parts, which is =
a really nice unit, as long as your deck and head aren't too far out, =
the composite gasket is superior and will save you from having to shave =
things flat, which the copper gasket prefers and the steel gaskets need. =
 Personally I'm not a fan of surfacing the head or deck... so the =
composite gaskets that SC parts sell is a really nice option.  they are =
beautifully made.

https://www.scparts.co.uk/sc_en/british-cars/austin-healey/austin-healey-=
bn1-to-bj8-1953-1968/engine/cylinder-head-bn4-from-48863-bn6-bn7-bt7-bj7-=
and-bj8/cylinder-head-gasket-1328.html

Best,

Alan

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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>=E2=80=A6 my next option if the =
=E2=80=9CPremium=E2=80=9D gasket fails????<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Michael Salter =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> October 26, 2021 10:37 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Mirek Sharp =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Fwd: [Healeys] Head =
weight<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>These look interesting. May be the answer to what we =
are dealing with.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>M<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: =
<strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Alan Seigrist =
via Healeys</span></strong> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
Date: Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:32 p.m.<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Head =
weight<br>To: Fred Wescoe &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Cc: =
healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Fred -<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'd say having a couple moderatly strong =
people to lift it out is probably enough, main thing is to slide it up =
on top of the studs, although I am able to do it myself but the six cyl =
is a bear.<br><br>In terms of head gasket, there's a couple of =
approaches:&nbsp; <br><br>One is to use the old standard copper gasket =
and then spray both sides with a thin layer of spray hylomar or permatex =
copper spray a gasket.&nbsp; <br><br>The other option is to get the =
composite&nbsp;gasket from SC parts, which is a really nice unit, as =
long as your deck and head aren't too far out, the composite gasket is =
superior and will save you from having to shave things flat, which the =
copper gasket prefers and the steel gaskets need.&nbsp; Personally I'm =
not a fan of surfacing the head or deck... so the composite gaskets that =
SC parts sell is a really nice option.&nbsp; they are =
beautifully&nbsp;made.<br><br><a =
href=3D"https://www.scparts.co.uk/sc_en/british-cars/austin-healey/austin=
-healey-bn1-to-bj8-1953-1968/engine/cylinder-head-bn4-from-48863-bn6-bn7-=
bt7-bj7-and-bj8/cylinder-head-gasket-1328.html" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.scparts.co.uk/sc_en/british-cars/austin-hea=
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3-bn6-bn7-bt7-bj7-and-bj8/cylinder-head-gasket-1328.html</a><br><br>Best,=
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"my 30 something friend Dan might be cheesed as being referred to as
elderly!" .... Sorry Ryan =F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3

On Wed., Oct. 27, 2021, 8:23 a.m. , <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Fred, I can add to Mike=E2=80=99s comment as it is my BT7 we were working=
 on.  We
> had used the head gasket that came with the head set supplied by MOSS.  A=
s
> the engine warmed up I had coolant leaking out almost the entire length o=
f
> the block/head seam, and coming up through several of the head studs.  Th=
is
> was not a localized leak and I would describe it as complete failure of t=
he
> gasket as far as the coolant passages are concerned.  There was no eviden=
ce
> of oil leakage, but I think I am correct in saying that all but one of th=
e
> oil passages between the head and block are for drainage back down to the
> sump and thus not under pressure.  There was no water/steam in the exhaus=
t
> and the car fired evenly (it sounded great!) and no coolant in the
> cylinders after we removed the head, so it looks like just the coolant wa=
s
> leaking.  However remember the motor had been running for only about 15 m=
in
> total over several gentle warm/cool cycles.  FYI, I use a correct 7 lb ra=
d
> cap.
>
>
>
> On removing the head we could find no evidence of any problem.  The gaske=
t
> looked fine, so we really do not know the cause of the failure.  This was=
 a
> complete rebuild so both the head and the block faces were machined.
>
>
>
> I ordered a =E2=80=9CPremium=E2=80=9D head gasket which was supplied by A=
-H Spares via
> Healey Autofarm here in Ontario (thanks Amanda for the quick service).  M=
y
> understanding (i.e., I don=E2=80=99t know for a fact) is that A-H Spares =
has these
> Premium gaskets made and supplies them to others, including MOSS.  It is
> pricey and the prices vary, so shop around.  Neither Mike nor I could
> discern any visible difference between the =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=9D head=
 gasket and the
> Premium one (except for the part number), although we did not measure the
> thickness and the material that is sandwiched between the copper/steel
> outer layers may well be a different material or thickness.
>
>
>
> There is much debate about using a gasket dressing or not and I have neve=
r
> seen any actual evidence that using it helps the sealing; it is all
> anecdotal evidence (e.g., =E2=80=9CI have/have not used a head dressing f=
or 40
> years and never had a problem=E2=80=9D).  Neither Mike nor I have ever us=
ed a head
> gasket dressing in other rebuilds so although we discussed it we did not
> apply any.  Curiously, the MOSS tech expert finally responded to my reque=
st
> to discuss the issue (about a 3 week response time!).  He has apparently
> rebuild many Healey engines and always uses a gasket dressing.  Take what
> you want from that.  He had no explanation or helpful suggestions that Mi=
ke
> and I had not already discussed.
>
>
>
> The head is now torqued down and the rocker shaft is on and torqued.  I
> plan to get everything else bolted up this week and will re-start the
> engine, perhaps tomorrow.  I=E2=80=99d be grateful if all listers could k=
eep their
> fingers crossed tomorrow in the hopes that positive vibes will compensate
> for any lack of quality in current head gaskets for Healeys.
>
>
>
> BTW, it was two elderly folk and one pretty strong young buck that remove=
d
> the head w/manifolds =E2=80=93 my 30 something friend Dan might be cheese=
d as being
> referred to as elderly!  I had lifted the head with manifolds once before
> so knew it could be done, but this was a BT7 and I am unfamiliar with the
> details of a BJ7 engine bay and whether there are any added complications=
.
> I suggest if you lift it with the manifolds, rest the head on top of the
> studs when you lift it and remove the two intake manifold drain pipes, an=
d
> do the same in reverse (as they are a real bugger to get on later) and yo=
u
> would have to lift the head very high when removing if you left them on.
> Frankly, use of an engine lift/chain fall would be safer (but less
> exciting) if you have access to one.
>
>
>
> Stay tuned!  Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Salter
> *Sent:* October 26, 2021 10:24 PM
> *To:* healeys <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Head weight
>
>
>
I
> am going to leave the engine in the car.  I have pulled the head of my BJ=
7
> Do I use sealant on the new head gasket and if so what type?   One side o=
r
> both sides?
>
>
>
> After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices and quality, what ar=
e
> gouged.  Entering the cold months, I have plenty of time to do this right=
.
> Is there anything I should be on the lookout for, or check before buttoni=
ng
> correctly.  So, any words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.

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derly!&quot; .... Sorry Ryan =F0=9F=A4=A3=F0=9F=A4=A3</span></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed., Oct. 2=
7, 2021, 8:23 a.m. , &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">m.g.shar=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word=
"><div class=3D"m_-6433162292459539926WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span>Fred, I can add to Mike=E2=80=99s comment as it is my BT7 we were wor=
king on.=C2=A0 We had used the head gasket that came with the head set supp=
lied by MOSS.=C2=A0 As the engine warmed up I had coolant leaking out almos=
t the entire length of the block/head seam, and coming up through several o=
f the head studs.=C2=A0 This was not a localized leak and I would describe =
it as complete failure of the gasket as far as the coolant passages are con=
cerned.=C2=A0 There was no evidence of oil leakage, but I think I am correc=
t in saying that all but one of the oil passages between the head and block=
 are for drainage back down to the sump and thus not under pressure.=C2=A0 =
There was no water/steam in the exhaust and the car fired evenly (it sounde=
d great!) and no coolant in the cylinders after we removed the head, so it =
looks like just the coolant was leaking.=C2=A0 However remember the motor h=
ad been running for only about 15 min total over several gentle warm/cool c=
ycles.=C2=A0 FYI, I use a correct 7 lb rad cap.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span>On removing the head we could find no evidence of any problem.=
=C2=A0 The gasket looked fine, so we really do not know the cause of the fa=
ilure.=C2=A0 This was a complete rebuild so both the head and the block fac=
es were machined.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I ordered a =E2=80=
=9CPremium=E2=80=9D head gasket which was supplied by A-H Spares via Healey=
 Autofarm here in Ontario (thanks Amanda for the quick service).=C2=A0 My u=
nderstanding (i.e., I don=E2=80=99t know for a fact) is that A-H Spares has=
 these Premium gaskets made and supplies them to others, including MOSS.=C2=
=A0 It is pricey and the prices vary, so shop around.=C2=A0 Neither Mike no=
r I could discern any visible difference between the =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=
=9D head gasket and the Premium one (except for the part number), although =
we did not measure the thickness and the material that is sandwiched betwee=
n the copper/steel outer layers may well be a different material or thickne=
ss.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>There is much debate about using =
a gasket dressing or not and I have never seen any actual evidence that usi=
ng it helps the sealing; it is all anecdotal evidence (e.g., =E2=80=9CI hav=
e/have not used a head dressing for 40 years and never had a problem=E2=80=
=9D).=C2=A0 Neither Mike nor I have ever used a head gasket dressing in oth=
er rebuilds so although we discussed it we did not apply any.=C2=A0 Curious=
ly, the MOSS tech expert finally responded to my request to discuss the iss=
ue (about a 3 week response time!).=C2=A0 He has apparently rebuild many He=
aley engines and always uses a gasket dressing.=C2=A0 Take what you want fr=
om that.=C2=A0 He had no explanation or helpful suggestions that Mike and I=
 had not already discussed.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The head =
is now torqued down and the rocker shaft is on and torqued.=C2=A0 I plan to=
 get everything else bolted up this week and will re-start the engine, perh=
aps tomorrow.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99d be grateful if all listers could keep their=
 fingers crossed tomorrow in the hopes that positive vibes will compensate =
for any lack of quality in current head gaskets for Healeys.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span>BTW, it was two elderly folk and one pretty strong =
young buck that removed the head w/manifolds =E2=80=93 my 30 something frie=
nd Dan might be cheesed as being referred to as elderly!=C2=A0 I had lifted=
 the head with manifolds once before so knew it could be done, but this was=
 a BT7 and I am unfamiliar with the details of a BJ7 engine bay and whether=
 there are any added complications.=C2=A0 I suggest if you lift it with the=
 manifolds, rest the head on top of the studs when you lift it and remove t=
he two intake manifold drain pipes, and do the same in reverse (as they are=
 a real bugger to get on later) and you would have to lift the head very hi=
gh when removing if you left them on.=C2=A0 Frankly, use of an engine lift/=
chain fall would be safer (but less exciting) if you have access to one.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Stay tuned!=C2=A0 Mirek<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div s=
tyle=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0c=
m"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> October 26, 2021 10:24 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [Healeys] Head weight<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">We are stru=
ggling with head gasket problems on a newly rebuilt=C2=A0engine BT7 engine =
at present so will be following this discussion closely.<u></u><u></u></p><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regarding lifting the head off with the engine i=
n the car.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">With the mani=
folds on we managed reasonably easily with 1 person on each side lifting th=
e rear of the head and 1 at the front. Bit of a grunt but possible with 3 s=
omewhat elderly folks.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">M<u></u><u></u></p=
></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:15 p.m. Fred Wescoe via Healey=
s, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><bl=
ockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0=
cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">Listers,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It appears that I may have to pull t=
he head (some oil in the radiator fluid) on my 66 BJ8 and I may (likely) ha=
ve to replace the head gasket.=C2=A0 I am going to leave the engine in the =
car.=C2=A0 I have pulled the head of my BJ7 but that was many years ago.=C2=
=A0 I will need help physically (I&#39;m older now) to pull the BJ8 head.=
=C2=A0 Does anyone know what the <b>actual weight</b> of just the head is?=
=C2=A0 I need to determine how many people I need=C2=A0to help me.=C2=A0 Of=
 course, I will remove everything from the head before pulling it and then =
place a straight edge on the head and block to determine if I have addition=
al issues to deal with.=C2=A0 Hopefully not but I will check.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do I use sealant=C2=A0on the new head gask=
et and if so what type?=C2=A0 =C2=A0One side or both sides?<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices and=
 quality, what are the thoughts about sources for a good quality head gaske=
t, without being gouged.=C2=A0 Entering the cold months, I have plenty of t=
ime to do this right.=C2=A0 Is there anything I should be on the=C2=A0looko=
ut for, or check before buttoning up things?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">I want to do this just once but I do want to do it completely and=
 correctly.=C2=A0 So, any words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.<u></u>=
<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks as always,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Fred<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">66BJ8<u></u><u=
></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=
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Lubbock Gasket and supply  Can make you a gasket of similar or improved 
design..1-806-763-2801    DaveP

On 10/27/2021 6:23 AM, m.g.sharp--- via Healeys wrote:
>
> Fred, I can add to Mike’s comment as it is my BT7 we were working on.  
> We had used the head gasket that came with the head set supplied by 
> MOSS.  As the engine warmed up I had coolant leaking out almost the 
> entire length of the block/head seam, and coming up through several of 
> the head studs.  This was not a localized leak and I would describe it 
> as complete failure of the gasket as far as the coolant passages are 
> concerned.  There was no evidence of oil leakage, but I think I am 
> correct in saying that all but one of the oil passages between the 
> head and block are for drainage back down to the sump and thus not 
> under pressure.  There was no water/steam in the exhaust and the car 
> fired evenly (it sounded great!) and no coolant in the cylinders after 
> we removed the head, so it looks like just the coolant was leaking.  
> However remember the motor had been running for only about 15 min 
> total over several gentle warm/cool cycles.  FYI, I use a correct 7 lb 
> rad cap.
>
> On removing the head we could find no evidence of any problem. The 
> gasket looked fine, so we really do not know the cause of the 
> failure.  This was a complete rebuild so both the head and the block 
> faces were machined.
>
> I ordered a “Premium” head gasket which was supplied by A-H Spares via 
> Healey Autofarm here in Ontario (thanks Amanda for the quick 
> service).  My understanding (i.e., I don’t know for a fact) is that 
> A-H Spares has these Premium gaskets made and supplies them to others, 
> including MOSS. It is pricey and the prices vary, so shop around.  
> Neither Mike nor I could discern any visible difference between the 
> “regular” head gasket and the Premium one (except for the part 
> number), although we did not measure the thickness and the material 
> that is sandwiched between the copper/steel outer layers may well be a 
> different material or thickness.
>
> There is much debate about using a gasket dressing or not and I have 
> never seen any actual evidence that using it helps the sealing; it is 
> all anecdotal evidence (e.g., “I have/have not used a head dressing 
> for 40 years and never had a problem”).  Neither Mike nor I have ever 
> used a head gasket dressing in other rebuilds so although we discussed 
> it we did not apply any.  Curiously, the MOSS tech expert finally 
> responded to my request to discuss the issue (about a 3 week response 
> time!).  He has apparently rebuild many Healey engines and always uses 
> a gasket dressing.  Take what you want from that.  He had no 
> explanation or helpful suggestions that Mike and I had not already 
> discussed.
>
> The head is now torqued down and the rocker shaft is on and torqued. 
>  I plan to get everything else bolted up this week and will re-start 
> the engine, perhaps tomorrow.  I’d be grateful if all listers could 
> keep their fingers crossed tomorrow in the hopes that positive vibes 
> will compensate for any lack of quality in current head gaskets for 
> Healeys.
>
> BTW, it was two elderly folk and one pretty strong young buck that 
> removed the head w/manifolds – my 30 something friend Dan might be 
> cheesed as being referred to as elderly!  I had lifted the head with 
> manifolds once before so knew it could be done, but this was a BT7 and 
> I am unfamiliar with the details of a BJ7 engine bay and whether there 
> are any added complications.  I suggest if you lift it with the 
> manifolds, rest the head on top of the studs when you lift it and 
> remove the two intake manifold drain pipes, and do the same in reverse 
> (as they are a real bugger to get on later) and you would have to lift 
> the head very high when removing if you left them on.  Frankly, use of 
> an engine lift/chain fall would be safer (but less exciting) if you 
> have access to one.
>
> Stay tuned!  Mirek
>
> *From:*Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Michael 
> Salter
> We are struggling with head gasket problems on a newly rebuilt engine 
> With the manifolds on we managed reasonably easily with 1 person on 
> each side lifting the rear of the head and 1 at the front. Bit of a 
> grunt but possible with 3 somewhat elderly folks.
>
> M
>
> On Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:15 p.m. Fred Wescoe via Healeys, 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     Listers,
>
>     It appears that I may have to pull the head (some oil in the
>     radiator fluid) on my 66 BJ8 and I may (likely) have to replace
>     the head gasket.  I am going to leave the engine in the car.  I
>     have pulled the head of my BJ7 but that was many years ago.  I
>     will need help physically (I'm older now) to pull the BJ8 head. 
>     Does anyone know what the *actual weight* of just the head is?  I
>     need to determine how many people I need to help me.  Of course, I
>     will remove everything from the head before pulling it and then
>     Do I use sealant on the new head gasket and if so what type?   One
>     side or both sides?
>
>     After the recent discussion on Moss and their prices and quality,
>     what are the thoughts about sources for a good quality head
>     gasket, without being gouged.  Entering the cold months, I have
>     plenty of time to do this right.  Is there anything I should be on
>     the lookout for, or check before buttoning up things?
>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Fred,
            I can add to Mike’s comment as it is my BT7 we were working
            on.  We had used the head gasket that came with the head set
            supplied by MOSS.  As the engine warmed up I had coolant
            leaking out almost the entire length of the block/head seam,
            and coming up through several of the head studs.  This was
            not a localized leak and I would describe it as complete
            failure of the gasket as far as the coolant passages are
            concerned.  There was no evidence of oil leakage, but I
            think I am correct in saying that all but one of the oil
            passages between the head and block are for drainage back
            down to the sump and thus not under pressure.  There was no
            water/steam in the exhaust and the car fired evenly (it
            sounded great!) and no coolant in the cylinders after we
            removed the head, so it looks like just the coolant was
            leaking.  However remember the motor had been running for
            only about 15 min total over several gentle warm/cool
            cycles.  FYI, I use a correct 7 lb rad cap.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On
            removing the head we could find no evidence of any problem. 
            The gasket looked fine, so we really do not know the cause
            of the failure.  This was a complete rebuild so both the
            head and the block faces were machined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            ordered a “Premium” head gasket which was supplied by A-H
            Spares via Healey Autofarm here in Ontario (thanks Amanda
            for the quick service).  My understanding (i.e., I don’t
            know for a fact) is that A-H Spares has these Premium
            gaskets made and supplies them to others, including MOSS. 
            It is pricey and the prices vary, so shop around.  Neither
            Mike nor I could discern any visible difference between the
            “regular” head gasket and the Premium one (except for the
            part number), although we did not measure the thickness and
            the material that is sandwiched between the copper/steel
            outer layers may well be a different material or thickness.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
            is much debate about using a gasket dressing or not and I
            have never seen any actual evidence that using it helps the
            sealing; it is all anecdotal evidence (e.g., “I have/have
            not used a head dressing for 40 years and never had a
            problem”).  Neither Mike nor I have ever used a head gasket
            dressing in other rebuilds so although we discussed it we
            did not apply any.  Curiously, the MOSS tech expert finally
            responded to my request to discuss the issue (about a 3 week
            response time!).  He has apparently rebuild many Healey
            engines and always uses a gasket dressing.  Take what you
            want from that.  He had no explanation or helpful
            suggestions that Mike and I had not already discussed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
            head is now torqued down and the rocker shaft is on and
            torqued.  I plan to get everything else bolted up this week
            and will re-start the engine, perhaps tomorrow.  I’d be
            grateful if all listers could keep their fingers crossed
            tomorrow in the hopes that positive vibes will compensate
            for any lack of quality in current head gaskets for Healeys.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">BTW,
            it was two elderly folk and one pretty strong young buck
            that removed the head w/manifolds – my 30 something friend
            Dan might be cheesed as being referred to as elderly!  I had
            lifted the head with manifolds once before so knew it could
            be done, but this was a BT7 and I am unfamiliar with the
            details of a BJ7 engine bay and whether there are any added
            complications.  I suggest if you lift it with the manifolds,
            rest the head on top of the studs when you lift it and
            remove the two intake manifold drain pipes, and do the same
            in reverse (as they are a real bugger to get on later) and
            you would have to lift the head very high when removing if
            you left them on.  Frankly, use of an engine lift/chain fall
            would be safer (but less exciting) if you have access to
            one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Stay
            tuned!  Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
          1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
              lang="EN-US"> Healeys
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
              Salter<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> October 26, 2021 10:24 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Head weight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">We are struggling with head gasket
            problems on a newly rebuilt engine BT7 engine at present so
            will be following this discussion closely.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Regarding lifting the head off with the
              engine in the car.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">With the manifolds on we managed
              reasonably easily with 1 person on each side lifting the
              rear of the head and 1 at the front. Bit of a grunt but
              possible with 3 somewhat elderly folks.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">M<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:15 p.m. Fred
              Wescoe via Healeys, &lt;<a
                href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
            1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
            6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Listers,<o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">It appears that I may have to pull
                  the head (some oil in the radiator fluid) on my 66 BJ8
                  and I may (likely) have to replace the head gasket.  I
                  am going to leave the engine in the car.  I have
                  pulled the head of my BJ7 but that was many years
                  ago.  I will need help physically (I'm older now) to
                  pull the BJ8 head.  Does anyone know what the <b>actual
                    weight</b> of just the head is?  I need to determine
                  how many people I need to help me.  Of course, I will
                  remove everything from the head before pulling it and
                  then place a straight edge on the head and block to
                  determine if I have additional issues to deal with. 
                  Hopefully not but I will check.  <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Do I use sealant on the new head
                  gasket and if so what type?   One side or both sides?<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">After the recent discussion on Moss
                  and their prices and quality, what are the thoughts
                  about sources for a good quality head gasket, without
                  being gouged.  Entering the cold months, I have plenty
                  of time to do this right.  Is there anything I should
                  be on the lookout for, or check before buttoning up
                  things? <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I want to do this just once but I
                  do want to do it completely and correctly.  So, any
                  words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks as always,<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Fred<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">66BJ8<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
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The late, great Norman Nock used to recommend a lacquer-like paste 
called 'Wellseal,' esp. for the 4-cyl engines known for leaking between 
the #2 and #3 cylinders (supposedly, not enough head studs in that 
area). I've only put a few hundred miles on my BN2 since rebuild--with 
Wellseal--but, so far, no sign of a leak.

I 'heard from the grapevine' that Payen off-shored manufacturing to 
(guess where) and quality suffered. I had most of a Payen set I'd bought 
decades ago for my BJ8 and didn't use for whatever reason. I used the 
head gasket on my latest--and hopefully last--overhaul a few years ago; 
6K miles and still good. If I needed to rebuild again I'd probably 
spring for the composite-metal gasket from DWM; supposedly reusable for 
up the 3 times.

Bob

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    The late, great Norman Nock used to recommend a lacquer-like paste
    called 'Wellseal,' esp. for the 4-cyl engines known for leaking
    between the #2 and #3 cylinders (supposedly, not enough head studs
    in that area). I've only put a few hundred miles on my BN2 since
    rebuild--with Wellseal--but, so far, no sign of a leak.<br>
    I 'heard from the grapevine' that Payen off-shored manufacturing to
    (guess where) and quality suffered. I had most of a Payen set I'd
    bought decades ago for my BJ8 and didn't use for whatever reason. I
    used the head gasket on my latest--and hopefully last--overhaul a
    few years ago; 6K miles and still good. If I needed to rebuild again
    I'd probably spring for the composite-metal gasket from DWM;
    supposedly reusable for up the 3 times.<br>
    Bob<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/27/2021 5:23 AM, m.g.sharp--- via
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When I bought the DW "Fast  Street" AL head for my 100 about 17 years ago I
installed it using the recommended steel sandwich head gasket and except
for some very small weeping between 2 and 3 when starting from cold I have
not had an issue.  In fact I can't remember when I last torqued the head,
if ever!  I keep a spare on top of my gas tank under the Armacord--guess I
should dust it off.

I used the Payen composite gaskets on the MG engine of my Elva Courier,
spraying a light coat of copper on both sides before installing.  I never
had a blown gasket, leaking, etc, etc. with them.  Hope their quality does
not suffer.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 11:28 AM Bob Spidell <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The late, great Norman Nock used to recommend a lacquer-like paste called
> 'Wellseal,' esp. for the 4-cyl engines known for leaking between the #2 a=
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> #3 cylinders (supposedly, not enough head studs in that area). I've only
> put a few hundred miles on my BN2 since rebuild--with Wellseal--but, so
> far, no sign of a leak.
>
> I 'heard from the grapevine' that Payen off-shored manufacturing to (gues=
s
> where) and quality suffered. I had most of a Payen set I'd bought decades
> ago for my BJ8 and didn't use for whatever reason. I used the head gasket
> on my latest--and hopefully last--overhaul a few years ago; 6K miles and
> still good. If I needed to rebuild again I'd probably spring for the
> composite-metal gasket from DWM; supposedly reusable for up the 3 times.
>
> Bob
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">When =
I bought the DW &quot;Fast=C2=A0 Street&quot; AL head for my 100 about 17 y=
ears ago I installed it using the recommended steel=C2=A0sandwich head gask=
et and except for some very small weeping between 2 and 3 when starting fro=
m cold I have not had an issue.=C2=A0 In fact I can&#39;t remember when I l=
ast torqued the head, if ever!=C2=A0 I keep a spare on top of my gas tank u=
nder the Armacord--guess I should dust it off.</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff">I used the Payen composite gaskets on the MG engine of m=
y Elva Courier, spraying a light coat of copper on both sides before instal=
ling.=C2=A0 I never had a blown gasket, leaking, etc, etc. with them.=C2=A0=
 Hope their quality does not suffer.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 11:28 AM =
Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    The late, great Norman Nock used to recommend a lacquer-like paste
    called &#39;Wellseal,&#39; esp. for the 4-cyl engines known for leaking
    between the #2 and #3 cylinders (supposedly, not enough head studs
    in that area). I&#39;ve only put a few hundred miles on my BN2 since
    rebuild--with Wellseal--but, so far, no sign of a leak.<br>
    <br>
    I &#39;heard from the grapevine&#39; that Payen off-shored manufacturin=
g to
    (guess where) and quality suffered. I had most of a Payen set I&#39;d
    bought decades ago for my BJ8 and didn&#39;t use for whatever reason. I
    used the head gasket on my latest--and hopefully last--overhaul a
    few years ago; 6K miles and still good. If I needed to rebuild again
    I&#39;d probably spring for the composite-metal gasket from DWM;
    supposedly reusable for up the 3 times.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 10/27/2021 5:23 AM, m.g.sharp--- via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
     =20
      <div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Fred,
            I can add to Mike=E2=80=99s comment as it is my BT7 we were wor=
king
            on.=C2=A0 We had used the head gasket that came with the head s=
et
            supplied by MOSS.=C2=A0 As the engine warmed up I had coolant
            leaking out almost the entire length of the block/head seam,
            and coming up through several of the head studs.=C2=A0 This was
            not a localized leak and I would describe it as complete
            failure of the gasket as far as the coolant passages are
            concerned.=C2=A0 There was no evidence of oil leakage, but I
            think I am correct in saying that all but one of the oil
            passages between the head and block are for drainage back
            down to the sump and thus not under pressure.=C2=A0 There was n=
o
            water/steam in the exhaust and the car fired evenly (it
            sounded great!) and no coolant in the cylinders after we
            removed the head, so it looks like just the coolant was
            leaking.=C2=A0 However remember the motor had been running for
            only about 15 min total over several gentle warm/cool
            cycles.=C2=A0 FYI, I use a correct 7 lb rad cap.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>On
            removing the head we could find no evidence of any problem.=C2=
=A0
            The gasket looked fine, so we really do not know the cause
            of the failure.=C2=A0 This was a complete rebuild so both the
            head and the block faces were machined.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I
            ordered a =E2=80=9CPremium=E2=80=9D head gasket which was suppl=
ied by A-H
            Spares via Healey Autofarm here in Ontario (thanks Amanda
            for the quick service).=C2=A0 My understanding (i.e., I don=E2=
=80=99t
            know for a fact) is that A-H Spares has these Premium
            gaskets made and supplies them to others, including MOSS.=C2=A0
            It is pricey and the prices vary, so shop around.=C2=A0 Neither
            Mike nor I could discern any visible difference between the
            =E2=80=9Cregular=E2=80=9D head gasket and the Premium one (exce=
pt for the
            part number), although we did not measure the thickness and
            the material that is sandwiched between the copper/steel
            outer layers may well be a different material or thickness.<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>There
            is much debate about using a gasket dressing or not and I
            have never seen any actual evidence that using it helps the
            sealing; it is all anecdotal evidence (e.g., =E2=80=9CI have/ha=
ve
            not used a head dressing for 40 years and never had a
            problem=E2=80=9D).=C2=A0 Neither Mike nor I have ever used a he=
ad gasket
            dressing in other rebuilds so although we discussed it we
            did not apply any.=C2=A0 Curiously, the MOSS tech expert finall=
y
            responded to my request to discuss the issue (about a 3 week
            response time!).=C2=A0 He has apparently rebuild many Healey
            engines and always uses a gasket dressing.=C2=A0 Take what you
            want from that.=C2=A0 He had no explanation or helpful
            suggestions that Mike and I had not already discussed.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The
            head is now torqued down and the rocker shaft is on and
            torqued.=C2=A0 I plan to get everything else bolted up this wee=
k
            and will re-start the engine, perhaps tomorrow.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=
=99d be
            grateful if all listers could keep their fingers crossed
            tomorrow in the hopes that positive vibes will compensate
            for any lack of quality in current head gaskets for Healeys.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>BTW,
            it was two elderly folk and one pretty strong young buck
            that removed the head w/manifolds =E2=80=93 my 30 something fri=
end
            Dan might be cheesed as being referred to as elderly!=C2=A0 I h=
ad
            lifted the head with manifolds once before so knew it could
            be done, but this was a BT7 and I am unfamiliar with the
            details of a BJ7 engine bay and whether there are any added
            complications.=C2=A0 I suggest if you lift it with the manifold=
s,
            rest the head on top of the studs when you lift it and
            remove the two intake manifold drain pipes, and do the same
            in reverse (as they are a real bugger to get on later) and
            you would have to lift the head very high when removing if
            you left them on.=C2=A0 Frankly, use of an engine lift/chain fa=
ll
            would be safer (but less exciting) if you have access to
            one.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Stay
            tuned!=C2=A0 Mirek<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none=
;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Micha=
el
              Salter<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> October 26, 2021 10:24 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> healeys <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Head weight<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">We are struggling with head gasket
            problems on a newly rebuilt=C2=A0engine BT7 engine at present s=
o
            will be following this discussion closely.<u></u><u></u></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regarding lifting the head off with the
              engine in the car.<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">With the manifolds on we managed
              reasonably easily with 1 person on each side lifting the
              rear of the head and 1 at the front. Bit of a grunt but
              possible with 3 somewhat elderly folks.<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">M<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue., Oct. 26, 2021, 10:15 p.m. Fred
              Wescoe via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bot=
tom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;mar=
gin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Listers,<u></u><u></u></p>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">It appears that I may have to pull
                  the head (some oil in the radiator fluid) on my 66 BJ8
                  and I may (likely) have to replace the head gasket.=C2=A0=
 I
                  am going to leave the engine in the car.=C2=A0 I have
                  pulled the head of my BJ7 but that was many years
                  ago.=C2=A0 I will need help physically (I&#39;m older now=
) to
                  pull the BJ8 head.=C2=A0 Does anyone know what the <b>act=
ual
                    weight</b> of just the head is?=C2=A0 I need to determi=
ne
                  how many people I need=C2=A0to help me.=C2=A0 Of course, =
I will
                  remove everything from the head before pulling it and
                  then place a straight edge on the head and block to
                  determine if I have additional issues to deal with.=C2=A0
                  Hopefully not but I will check.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u>=
</p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Do I use sealant=C2=A0on the new hea=
d
                  gasket and if so what type?=C2=A0 =C2=A0One side or both =
sides?<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">After the recent discussion on Moss
                  and their prices and quality, what are the thoughts
                  about sources for a good quality head gasket, without
                  being gouged.=C2=A0 Entering the cold months, I have plen=
ty
                  of time to do this right.=C2=A0 Is there anything I shoul=
d
                  be on the=C2=A0lookout for, or check before buttoning up
                  things?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
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                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I want to do this just once but I
                  do want to do it completely and correctly.=C2=A0 So, any
                  words of wisdom are certainly appreciated.<u></u><u></u><=
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                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks as always,<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fred<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">66BJ8<u></u><u></u></p>
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