Subject: Re: [Healeys] Grose-Jets

From: Michael Oritt via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 00:46:41 -0400

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I have them in my BN1's Le Mans H6 carbs w/no problems.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:40 AM Randall Hicks via Healeys <
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> Hi, I=E2=80=99m rebuilding part of my BJ8 carbs and wondering if I should=
 be
> switching to Grose-Jets vs. the traditional needle & seat.  Thoughts,
> experiences, suggestions ?
>
> Randy Hicks
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I hav=
e them in my BN1&#39;s Le Mans H6 carbs w/no problems.</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 7, =
2021 at 12:40 AM Randall Hicks via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
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der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi, I=E2=80=99m rebui=
lding part of my BJ8 carbs and wondering if I should be switching to Grose-=
Jets vs. the traditional needle &amp; seat.=C2=A0 Thoughts, experiences, su=
ggestions ?<br>
<br>
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From: "sentenac.rw--- via Healeys" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 22:03:56 -0700

Some swear by them. others swear at them.  I am in the latter camp.
-Roland

On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 00:26:27 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi, I’m rebuilding part of my BJ8 carbs and wondering if I should be switching to Grose-Jets vs. the traditional needle & seat.  Thoughts, experiences, suggestions ?
>
>Randy Hicks
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From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 13:48:54 +0800

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I actually do like Grose Jets, but I think to work effectively you need to
be driving the car all the time.

If it sits for any length of time I think using the old school jets are
more likely to start working with a tap of a mallot. Old jets work well

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I actually do like Grose Jets, but I think to work effecti=
vely you need to be driving the car all the time.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div=
><div>If it sits for any length of time I think using the old school jets a=
re more likely to start working with a tap of a mallot. Old jets work well<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:40 PM Randall Hicks via Healeys &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi, I=E2=80=99m re=
building part of my BJ8 carbs and wondering if I should be switching to Gro=
se-Jets vs. the traditional needle &amp; seat.=C2=A0 Thoughts, experiences,=
 suggestions ?<br>
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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 06:50:37 -0400

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Randy, I replaced the stock needle valves with Grose-Jets in my BJ8 in =
May 1995 to fix a persistent overflow of the carbs.  It stopped the =
overflow permanently and after 100,000 miles they are still performing =
just fine.

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Steve Byers

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BJ8 Registry

AHCA Delegate at Large

Havelock, NC USA

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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Healeys] Grose-Jets

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Hi, I=E2=80=99m rebuilding part of my BJ8 carbs and wondering if I =
should be switching to Grose-Jets vs. the traditional needle & seat.  =
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText>Randy, I replaced the stock needle valves with =
Grose-Jets
in my BJ8 in May 1995 to fix a persistent overflow of the carbs.=C2=A0 =
It stopped
the overflow permanently and after 100,000 miles they are still =
performing just
fine.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>Steve Byers<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>HBJ8L/36666<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>BJ8 Registry<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>AHCA Delegate at Large<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>Havelock, NC USA<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></a></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Randall
Hicks via Healeys<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 12:26 AM<br>
To: Healey List<br>
Subject: [Healeys] Grose-Jets</p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>Hi, I=E2=80=99m rebuilding part of my BJ8 carbs =
and wondering if
I should be switching to Grose-Jets vs. the traditional needle &amp; =
seat.=C2=A0
Thoughts, experiences, suggestions ?<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>Randy Hicks<o:p></o:p></p>

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From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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But we all know Steve you drive your BJ8 all the time.... Grose Jets work
better that way I think

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 7:00 PM BJ8Healeys via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Randy, I replaced the stock needle valves with Grose-Jets in my BJ8 in Ma=
y
> 1995 to fix a persistent overflow of the carbs.  It stopped the overflow
> permanently and after 100,000 miles they are still performing just fine.
>
>
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> Havelock, NC USA
>
>
>
> From: Healeys [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
 be
> experiences, suggestions ?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">But we all know Steve you drive your BJ8 all the time.... =
Grose Jets work better that way I think</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 7:00 PM BJ8He=
aleys via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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<div class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536Section1">

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">Randy, I replaced the =
stock needle valves with Grose-Jets
in my BJ8 in May 1995 to fix a persistent overflow of the carbs.=C2=A0 It s=
topped
the overflow permanently and after 100,000 miles they are still performing =
just
fine.<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">Steve Byers<u></u><u><=
/u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">HBJ8L/36666<u></u><u><=
/u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">BJ8 Registry<u></u><u>=
</u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">AHCA Delegate at Large=
<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">Havelock, NC USA<u></u=
><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText"><a name=3D"m_417278796=
1820910536__MailEndCompose"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></a></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-=
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From: Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>] On Behalf Of Randall
Hicks via Healeys<br>
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 12:26 AM<br>
To: Healey List<br>
Subject: [Healeys] Grose-Jets</p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">Hi, I=E2=80=99m rebuil=
ding part of my BJ8 carbs and wondering if
I should be switching to Grose-Jets vs. the traditional needle &amp; seat.=
=C2=A0
Thoughts, experiences, suggestions ?<u></u><u></u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText">Randy Hicks<u></u><u><=
/u></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-m_4172787961820910536MsoPlainText"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p>

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From: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 07:17:45 -0700

I've had them in my BJ8 for a couple decades with no issues; I tried 
them in my BN2 a decade or so ago, and had problems* (the little 'top' 
ball would stick in its seat occasionally). FWIW, I heard on the 
'grapevine' that the company had changed hands and, as often happens, 
quality suffered as the bottom line took precedence (story of our 
existence these days).

* We had fuel delivery issues, but my dad traced it to a pinhole leak on 
the pickup tube in the tank, but before that I had been checking 
pumps--the 'usual suspect'--float levels, etc. a lot when I noticed the 
sticking on the bench. Dad surmised the flux used to solder the tube had 
eaten the metal (this was a used, OEM tank that was otherwise in good 
shape).

Bob

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From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:15:22 +0800

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After all of us discussing Grose Jets for years, I think it really boils
down to the modes of failure for both:

1) Traditional jets typically only have one mode of failure - they kink in
place and freeze open, and fuel flows out the overflow pipes.  This only
happens on startup and if you are paying attention you can stop it with a
tap of the mallot.  This failure doesn=E2=80=99t happen very often but fuel=
 can be
wasted.  The failure is minimized with proper adjustment.  Traditional jets
handle crud in the fuel generally quite well.

2) Grose Jets can fail both closed and open.  They are VERY sensitive to
crud in the fuel and if they fail open, sometimes tapping with a mallot
doesn=E2=80=99t work because something is jammed in the balls.  Grose jets =
can also
fail closed if the little ball gets stuck.  I=E2=80=99ve had both modes of =
failure
with them.

In my use experience I haven=E2=80=99t seen much difference between the two=
, and
having had Grose Jets shut off my fuel in the past I tend to favor the
traditional style, esp when they have the little spring loaded peg and
rubber tip.

Best,

Alan

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<div dir=3D"auto">After all of us discussing Grose Jets for years, I think =
it really boils down to the modes of failure for both:</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">1) Traditional jets typically only have one =
mode of failure - they kink in place and freeze open, and fuel flows out th=
e overflow pipes.=C2=A0 This only happens on startup and if you are paying =
attention you can stop it with a tap of the mallot.=C2=A0 This failure does=
n=E2=80=99t happen very often but fuel can be wasted.=C2=A0 The failure is =
minimized with proper adjustment.=C2=A0 Traditional jets handle crud in the=
 fuel generally quite well.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">2) Grose Jets can fail both closed and open.=C2=A0 They are VERY sensit=
ive to crud in the fuel and if they fail open, sometimes tapping with a mal=
lot doesn=E2=80=99t work because something is jammed in the balls.=C2=A0 Gr=
ose jets can also fail closed if the little ball gets stuck.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=
=99ve had both modes of failure with them.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">In my use experience I haven=E2=80=99t seen much differe=
nce between the two, and having had Grose Jets shut off my fuel in the past=
 I tend to favor the traditional style, esp when they have the little sprin=
g loaded peg and rubber tip.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">Best,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Alan</div><di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
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From: Alan Seigrist via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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one final point - if you have a partially flooded float, Grose Jets work
better, but I use nitrile floats now so it doesn=E2=80=99t really matter no=
w.

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 8:15 AM, Alan Seigrist <[email-masked]> wrote:

> 1) Traditional jets typically only have one mode of failure - they kink i=
n
> tap of the mallot.  This failure doesn=E2=80=99t happen very often but fu=
el can be
> wasted.  The failure is minimized with proper adjustment.  Traditional je=
ts
> doesn=E2=80=99t work because something is jammed in the balls.  Grose jet=
s can also
> fail closed if the little ball gets stuck.  I=E2=80=99ve had both modes o=
f failure
> with them.
>
> In my use experience I haven=E2=80=99t seen much difference between the t=
wo, and
> traditional style, esp when they have the little spring loaded peg and

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<div dir=3D"auto">one final point - if you have a partially flooded float, =
Grose Jets work better, but I use nitrile floats now so it doesn=E2=80=99t =
really matter now.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 8:15 AM, Alan Seigrist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir=3D"auto">After all of us discussing Grose =
Jets for years, I think it really boils down to the modes of failure for bo=
th:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">1) Traditional jets =
typically only have one mode of failure - they kink in place and freeze ope=
n, and fuel flows out the overflow pipes.=C2=A0 This only happens on startu=
p and if you are paying attention you can stop it with a tap of the mallot.=
=C2=A0 This failure doesn=E2=80=99t happen very often but fuel can be waste=
d.=C2=A0 The failure is minimized with proper adjustment.=C2=A0 Traditional=
 jets handle crud in the fuel generally quite well.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">2) Grose Jets can fail both closed and open.=C2=
=A0 They are VERY sensitive to crud in the fuel and if they fail open, some=
times tapping with a mallot doesn=E2=80=99t work because something is jamme=
d in the balls.=C2=A0 Grose jets can also fail closed if the little ball ge=
ts stuck.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve had both modes of failure with them.</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">In my use experience I haven=E2=
=80=99t seen much difference between the two, and having had Grose Jets shu=
t off my fuel in the past I tend to favor the traditional style, esp when t=
hey have the little spring loaded peg and rubber tip.</div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Best,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">Alan</div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"=
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