Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate

From: Don via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 14:44:03 -0500

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Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I took the d=
ust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out . Piston frozen solid .=
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmissi=
on shaft"
>=20
> The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a damp clim=
ate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given their small clea=
rance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I always put some tenacious=
 grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on those splines (thin coat only).=20=

>=20
>=20
> On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Manifold via Healeys wrote:
>> I would sort out the hydraulics first and then if it still doesn=E2=80=99=
t move the clutch pressure plate mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate w=
ould have to be stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the=
 transmission shaft to prevent movement.
>> =20
>> Harold
>> =20
>> From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys
>> Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM
>> Cc: Healeys
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>> =20
>> After/during a protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it ta=
kes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever and got v=
irtually nowhere, but then, it seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch=
 cover.
>> What did impress me was the comparison between how hard/impossible it was=
 to move by hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal once t=
he hydraulics were 100%.
>> Certainly, I=E2=80=99d want to convince myself that the hydraulics were 1=
00% before assuming that the disk was stuck.
>> Simon
>> =20
>> From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell v=
ia Healeys
>> Sent: 07 November 2021 03:56
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>> =20
>> re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?"
>>=20
>> I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get a=
t least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the cove=
r plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm=
 'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to move the pedal unt=
il the springs reached their limit of travel (or you left leg reached its li=
mit of strength).=20
>>=20
>> It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long time it's con=
ceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crystallized to the point i=
t prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I'm not sure y=
ou can move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I haven't tried; t=
hose are some strong springs in the cover plate.
>>=20
>> Bob
>>=20
>> On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
>> Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done s=
o far . When I first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it wou=
ldn=E2=80=99t move.  After removing the carbs , which I=E2=80=99m going to r=
ebuild I was able to access the clutch master cylinder. After removing the l=
ines to the master cylinder i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=
=80=99m replacing the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder. I=E2=
=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydrauli=
c fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car and looked at the clutch s=
lave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m replacing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch f=
ork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=
=99m going to finish rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and=
 brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t m=
ove . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?  I may=
 answer my own question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t w=
ant to need to replace the clutch.=20
>>          Don=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> =20
>>=20
>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master=
 cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, could also b=
e the same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the peda=
l does not move any mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it can't be mec=
hanically hung up. The clutch disc is another issue which may show up later,=
 and I would wonder if the brakes are functioning? Moisture really plays hav=
oc with hydraulics especially if the car is not in a conditioned space.
>> =20
>> This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or re=
place cylinders-fun stuff. Hank
>>=20
>> -----------------------------------------
>>=20
>> From: "Perry Small via Healeys"=20
>> To: "Don Day"
>> Cc: "healey list"
>> Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>>=20
>> Don
>> Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave and see i=
f the clutch pedal will move.
>> P
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> > On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>> >
>> > =EF=BB=BFHi List
>> > If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly in=
 a garage and I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the fl=
ywheel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .
>> > Thanks Don
>> >
>> >
>> =20
>> =20
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Problem found . I was able to remove the cl=
utch slave cylinder. I took the dust cap off and what looks like sand came p=
ouring out . Piston frozen solid .&nbsp;<img src=3D"cid:47B75DC2-941A-49BF-9=
F4D-1938FA333EEB-L0-001"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 7, 2021, at 11:35 AM, B=
ob Spidell via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockq=
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    re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmission
    shaft"<br>
    <br>
    The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a
    damp climate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given
    their small clearance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I
    always put some tenacious grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on
    those splines (thin coat only). <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Manifold
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would sort out the hydraulics first and
          then if it still doesn=E2=80=99t move the clutch pressure plate
          mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate would have to be
          stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the
          transmission shaft to prevent movement.</p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <div style=3D"mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:sol=
id
          #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
            </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send=3D=
"true">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM<br>
            <b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-=
send=3D"true">Healeys</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate</p>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">After/during a
            protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it
            takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I
            used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems,
            I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch cover.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">What did impress me was
            the comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by
            hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal
            once the hydraulics were 100%. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Certainly, I=E2=80=99d w=
ant to
            convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% before
            assuming that the disk was stuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Simon<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:healeys-boun=
[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf O=
f </b>Bob
              Spidell via Healeys<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 03:56<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB">re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was
            stuck to the flywheel?"<br>
            <br>
            I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel
            you'd still get at least some movement of the pedal. Early
            cars used coil springs in the cover plate to hold the disk
            firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm
            'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to
            move the pedal until the springs reached their limit of
            travel (or you left leg reached its limit of strength). <br>
            <br>
            It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long
            time it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled
            and/or crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the
            slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I'm not sure you can
            move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I haven't
            tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.<br>
            <br>
            Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM,
              Don via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t=
 finish
              my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done so far . When I fir=
st
              got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it
              wouldn=E2=80=99t move. &nbsp;After removing the carbs , which I=
=E2=80=99m going
              to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master
              cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder
              i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replac=
ing
              the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder.
              I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m repl=
acing the
              hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car
              and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m
              replacing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99=
t budge it ,
              I can=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to fin=
ish
              rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and
              brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why wo=
n=E2=80=99t
              move . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to
              the flywheel? &nbsp;I may answer my own question the farther I=

              get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to need to replace t=
he
              clutch.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Don&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=

            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sent from my
                  iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
              <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter=
.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">gradea1@chart=
er.net</a>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=EF=BB=BFTwelve y=
ears
                    could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master
                    cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As
                    Perry says, could also be the same issue in the
                    slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the
                    pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the
                    piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung up. The
                    clutch disc is another issue which may show up
                    later, and I would wonder if the brakes are
                    functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with
                    hydraulics especially if the car is not in a
                    conditioned space. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB">This is a good time to change all the
                      fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace
                      cylinders-fun stuff. Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p><span lang=3D"EN-GB">----------------------------------=
-------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">From: "Perry
                      Small via Healeys" <br>
                      To: "Don Day"<br>
                      Cc: "healey list"<br>
                      Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>
                      Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br>
                      <br>
                      Don<br>
                      Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the
                      pin at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will
                      move.<br>
                      P<br>
                      <br>
                      Sent from my iPhone<br>
                      <br>
                      &gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via
                      Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" moz-=
do-not-send=3D"true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
                      wrote:<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; =EF=BB=BFHi List<br>
                      &gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for
                      over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and I=E2=80=99m
                      thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the
                      flywheel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it b=
e
                      freed up .<br>
                      &gt; Thanks Don<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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From: i erbs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 14:09:50 -0800

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So now you are overhauling your entire hydraulic system and blowing out
your lines.
Never seen sand before....very strange

Ira Erbs
1959 AH 100-6
1967 MGB
Milwaukie, OR

On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, 11:44 AM Don via Healeys <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I took th=
e
> dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out . Piston frozen
> solid .
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 7, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmiss=
ion shaft"
>
> The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a damp
> climate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given their sma=
ll
> clearance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I always put some
> tenacious grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on those splines (thin co=
at
> only).
t move
> the clutch pressure plate mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate would
> have to be stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the
> *From: *Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM
> *Cc: *Healeys <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>
>
>
> After/during a protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it
> takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever and
> got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the wron=
g clutch
> cover.
>
> What did impress me was the comparison between how hard/impossible it was
> to move by hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal once
> the hydraulics were 100%.
>
00%
> before assuming that the disk was stuck.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Bob Spidell via Healeys
> *Sent:* 07 November 2021 03:56
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>
>
>
> I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get
> at least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the
> cover plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used
> diaphragm 'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to move t=
he
> pedal until the springs reached their limit of travel (or you left leg
> reached its limit of strength).
>
> It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long time it's
> conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crystallized to the
> point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I'm
> not sure you can move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I
> haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.
>
> Bob
>
> Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done =
so far . When I
> first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it wouldn=E2=80=99=
t move.
> After removing the carbs , which I=E2=80=99m going to rebuild I was able =
to access
> the clutch master cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylind=
er
> i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replacing the lin=
es to both
> the clutch and brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=99m replacing both master c=
ylinders .
> I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got un=
der the
> car and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m replacing =
I can=E2=80=99t
> move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=E2=80=99t move the=
 piston rod . I=E2=80=99m
> going to finish rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and
> brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t=
 move . Would this
> happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?  I may answer my own
> question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to need=
 to
> replace the clutch.
 cylinder
> and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, could also be the
> same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the pedal
> does not move any mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it can't be
> mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is another issue which may show up
> later, and I would wonder if the brakes are functioning? Moisture really
> plays havoc with hydraulics especially if the car is not in a conditioned
> space.
>
>
>
> This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or
> replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank
>
> From: "Perry Small via Healeys"
> To: "Don Day"
> Cc: "healey list"
> Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave and see
> if the clutch pedal will move.
> P
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > =EF=BB=BFHi List
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> a garage and I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the =
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> > Thanks Don
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<div dir=3D"auto">So now you are overhauling your entire hydraulic system a=
nd blowing out your lines.<div dir=3D"auto">Never seen sand before....very =
strange<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">Ira Erb=
s<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>Milwaukie, OR</div></div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 7, 2=
021, 11:44 AM Don via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave=
 cylinder. I took the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring ou=
t . Piston frozen solid .=C2=A0<img src=3D"cid:47B75DC2-941A-49BF-9F4D-1938=
FA333EEB-L0-001"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 7, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Bob Spi=
dell via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
 =20
   =20
 =20
 =20
    re: &quot;the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmission
    shaft&quot;<br>
    <br>
    The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a
    damp climate, the splines could very well &#39;rust-weld&#39; together =
given
    their small clearance. I don&#39;t know if it&#39;s common practice, bu=
t I
    always put some tenacious grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on
    those splines (thin coat only). <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Manifold
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
     =20
      <div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would sort out the hydraulics first and
          then if it still doesn=E2=80=99t move the clutch pressure plate
          mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate would have to be
          stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the
          transmission shaft to prevent movement.</p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold<u></u><u></u></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.=
0pt 0in 0in 0in">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
            </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM<br>
            <b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Healeys</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate</p>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">After/during a
            protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it
            takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I
            used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems,
            I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch cover.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">What did impress me was
            the comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by
            hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal
            once the hydraulics were 100%. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Certainly, I=E2=80=99d =
want to
            convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% before
            assuming that the disk was stuck.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Simon<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:=
3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Bob
              Spidell via Healeys<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 03:56<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<span lang=3D"EN-GB=
"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB">re: &quot;Would this happen if the clutch disc was
            stuck to the flywheel?&quot;<br>
            <br>
            I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel
            you&#39;d still get at least some movement of the pedal. Early
            cars used coil springs in the cover plate to hold the disk
            firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm
            &#39;springs.&#39; I think with either you&#39;d at least be ab=
le to
            move the pedal until the springs reached their limit of
            travel (or you left leg reached its limit of strength). <br>
            <br>
            It&#39;s a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long
            time it&#39;s conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled
            and/or crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the
            slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I&#39;m not sure you ca=
n
            move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I haven&#39;=
t
            tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.<br>
            <br>
            Bob<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM,
              Don via Healeys wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sorry I didn=E2=80=99=
t finish
              my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done so far . When I fi=
rst
              got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it
              wouldn=E2=80=99t move.=C2=A0 After removing the carbs , which=
 I=E2=80=99m going
              to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master
              cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder
              i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m repla=
cing
              the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder.
              I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m rep=
lacing the
              hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car
              and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m
              replacing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=
=99t budge it ,
              I can=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to fi=
nish
              rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and
              brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why w=
on=E2=80=99t
              move . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to
              the flywheel?=C2=A0 I may answer my own question the farther =
I
              get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to need to replace=
 the
              clutch.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Don=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span=
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sent from my
                  iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
              <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-GB">On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@char=
ter.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>
                    wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </blockquote>
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            <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=EF=BB=BFTwelve=
 years
                    could have built up some &quot;goo&quot; in the clutch =
master
                    cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As
                    Perry says, could also be the same issue in the
                    slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the
                    pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the
                    piston rod) so it can&#39;t be mechanically hung up. Th=
e
                    clutch disc is another issue which may show up
                    later, and I would wonder if the brakes are
                    functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with
                    hydraulics especially if the car is not in a
                    conditioned space. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">This is a good time to change all the
                      fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace
                      cylinders-fun stuff. Hank<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                  <p><span lang=3D"EN-GB">---------------------------------=
--------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">From: &quot;P=
erry
                      Small via Healeys&quot; <br>
                      To: &quot;Don Day&quot;<br>
                      Cc: &quot;healey list&quot;<br>
                      Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>
                      Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br>
                      <br>
                      Don<br>
                      Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the
                      pin at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will
                      move.<br>
                      P<br>
                      <br>
                      Sent from my iPhone<br>
                      <br>
                      &gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via
                      Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
                      wrote:<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; =EF=BB=BFHi List<br>
                      &gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for
                      over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and I=E2=80=99m
                      thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the
                      flywheel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it=
 be
                      freed up .<br>
                      &gt; Thanks Don<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                </div>
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            </blockquote>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></s=
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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Can you tell if silicone BF was used in this car?

On 11/7/2021 11:44 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
> Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I took 
> the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out . Piston 
> frozen solid .
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    Can you tell if silicone BF was used in this car?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
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      Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I
      took the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out .
      Piston frozen solid . <img
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I think they are crystals of evaporated brake fliud ... common on old
leaking systems.

M

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> Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I took the
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<div dir=3D"auto">I think they are crystals of evaporated brake fliud ... c=
ommon on old leaking systems.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Sun., Nov. 7, 2021, 6:22 p.m. Bob Spidell via Healeys, &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
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    Can you tell if silicone BF was used in this car?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 11/7/2021 11:44 AM,
      <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nore=
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      Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I
      took the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out .
      Piston frozen solid .=C2=A0<img src=3D"cid:part1.BC64ci2q.KW1QSgHT@co=
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I had the same problem only also corrupted the brake lines. I was using dot=
3. No granuels bru the fluid was like almost finished Jello.Solution was to=
 scrap the lines abd install Mr.finespanners lines. Also his clutch bleeder=
. Cured the problem=C2=A0

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I think they are crystals of evaporated brake fliud ... common on old leaki=
ng systems.
M
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  Can you tell if silicone BF was used in this car?
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I had the same problem only also corrupted the brake lines. I was using dot=
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 scrap the lines abd install Mr.finespanners lines. Also his clutch bleeder=
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I've parted out a few 110/6s back in the day and seen that exact same thing
- crystalized brake fluid. I've found the easiest and safest way to clean
them is to tumble them.

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>> the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out . Piston frozen
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ve parted out a few 110/6s back in the day and seen =
that exact same thing - crystalized brake fluid. I&#39;ve found the easiest=
 and safest way to clean them is to tumble them.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">I think they are crystals of evaporated bra=
ke fliud ... common on old leaking systems.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
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    Can you tell if silicone BF was used in this car?<br>
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      Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I
      took the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out .
      Piston frozen solid .=C2=A0<img><br>
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DonIf the brown colored "grit" was inside the dust cap or rubber boot it wa=
s from the grease that was packed in there. It transforms from the red hydr=
aulic grease to a dry powder over time.P

-----Original Message-----
From: Don via Healeys <[email-masked]>
To: Bob Spidell <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Sun, Nov 7, 2021 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate

Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I took the =
dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out . Piston frozen soli=
d .=C2=A0

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF=20
 re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmission shaft"
=20
 The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a damp clim=
ate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given their small cle=
arance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I always put some tenacio=
us grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on those splines (thin coat only).=
=20
=20
=20
 On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Manifold via Healeys wrote:
 =20
=20
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.yiv8731480729WordSection1 {} I would sort out the hydraulics first and the=
n if it still doesn=E2=80=99t move the clutch pressure plate mechanism may =
be seized. The clutch plate would have to be stuck to both the pressure pla=
te and the flywheel and or the transmission shaft to prevent movement.  =C2=
=A0 Harold  =C2=A0  From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys
 Sent: Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM
 Cc: Healeys
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate   =C2=A0 After/during a protracted bat=
tle with my clutch, I can confirm that it takes a lot of effort to move the=
 fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, i=
t seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch cover. What did impress me =
was the comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by hand and h=
ow easy it was to get it to move with the pedal once the hydraulics were 10=
0%.  Certainly, I=E2=80=99d want to convince myself that the hydraulics wer=
e 100% before assuming that the disk was stuck. Simon =C2=A0   From: Healey=
s <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell via Healeys
 Sent: 07 November 2021 03:56
 To: [email-masked]
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate   =C2=A0 re: "Would this happen if the=
 clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?"
=20
 I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get a=
t least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the cov=
er plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphra=
gm 'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to move the pedal =
until the springs reached their limit of travel (or you left leg reached it=
s limit of strength).=20
=20
 It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long time it's conc=
eivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crystallized to the point i=
t prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I'm not sure=
 you can move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I haven't tried=
; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.
=20
 Bob  On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys wrote: =20
 Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done s=
o far . When I first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it wo=
uldn=E2=80=99t move. =C2=A0After removing the carbs , which I=E2=80=99m goi=
ng to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master cylinder. After removi=
ng the lines to the master cylinder i was able to push the pedal to the flo=
or . I=E2=80=99m replacing the lines to both the clutch and brake master cy=
linder. I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m replacing=
 the hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car and looked =
at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m replacing I can=E2=80=99t m=
ove the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=E2=80=99t move the pi=
ston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to finish rebuilding, replacing everything in =
both the clutch and brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to=
 why won=E2=80=99t move . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to=
 the flywheel? =C2=A0I may answer my own question the farther I get into th=
e rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to need to replace the clutch.=C2=A0   =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Don=C2=A0  Sent from my iPhone    =C2=A0=20
 On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, [email-masked] wrote:=20
 =20
  =EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master=
 cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, could also =
be the same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the pe=
dal does not move any mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it can't be =
mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is another issue which may show up la=
ter, and I would wonder if the brakes are functioning? Moisture really play=
s havoc with hydraulics especially if the car is not in a conditioned space=
.   =C2=A0   This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses, re=
build or replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank --------------------------------=
--------- From: "Perry Small via Healeys"=20
 To: "Don Day"
 Cc: "healey list"
 Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM
 Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
=20
 Don
 Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave and see i=
f the clutch pedal will move.
 P
=20
 Sent from my iPhone
=20
 > On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
 >
 > =EF=BB=BFHi List
 > If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly in =
 > Thanks Don
 =20
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<div>Don</div>
If the brown colored "grit" was inside the dust cap or rubber boot it was f=
rom the grease that was packed in there. It transforms from the red hydraul=
ic grease to a dry powder over time.
<div>P<br>
<br>
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 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Don via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: Bob Spidell &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]<br>
Sent: Sun, Nov 7, 2021 2:44 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br>
<br>

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<div>Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I took=
 the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out . Piston frozen=
 solid .&nbsp;<img src=3D"cid:VSfqLIizsdrK3VbKK9re" yahoo_partid=3D"1.2.2">=
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r clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Nov 7, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Bob=
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    re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmission
    shaft"<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a
    damp climate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given
    their small clearance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I
    always put some tenacious grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on
    those splines (thin coat only). <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
   =20
<div class=3D"yiv8731480729moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Ma=
nifold
      via Healeys wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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       =20
<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal">I would sort out the hydraulics first=
 and
          then if it still doesn=E2=80=99t move the clutch pressure plate
          mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate would have to be
          stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the
          transmission shaft to prevent movement.</div>

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<div style=3D"border:none;padding:0in;" class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><b=
>From:
            </b><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:heal=
[email-masked]">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br clear=3D"none">
            <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM<br clear=3D"none"=
            <b>Cc: </b><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">Healeys</a><br clear=3D"none">
            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate</div>

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<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">After/during a
            protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it
            takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I
            used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems,
            I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch cover.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">What did impress=
 me was
            the comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by
            hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal
            once the hydraulics were 100%. </span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Certainly, I=E2=
=80=99d want to
            convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% before
            assuming that the disk was stuck.</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Simon</span></di=
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<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
              <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" class=3D"yiv8731480729moz-txt-link-rfc239=
6E">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob
              Spidell via Healeys<br clear=3D"none">
              <b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 03:56<br clear=3D"none">
              <b>To:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" class=3D"yiv8731480729moz-txt-link-abbreviated=
">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none">
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<span lang=3D"EN-GB=
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<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-GB">re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was
            stuck to the flywheel?"<br clear=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel
            you'd still get at least some movement of the pedal. Early
            cars used coil springs in the cover plate to hold the disk
            firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm
            'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to
            move the pedal until the springs reached their limit of
            travel (or you left leg reached its limit of strength). <br cle=
ar=3D"none">
            <br clear=3D"none">
            It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long
            time it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled
            and/or crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the
            slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I'm not sure you can
            move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I haven't
            tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.<br cle=
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            <br clear=3D"none">
            Bob</span></div>
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2 PM,
              Don via Healeys wrote:</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Sorry I didn=E2=
=80=99t finish
              my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done so far . When I fi=
rst
              got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it
              wouldn=E2=80=99t move. &nbsp;After removing the carbs , which=
 I=E2=80=99m going
              to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master
              cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder
              i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m repla=
cing
              the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder.
              I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m rep=
lacing the
              hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car
              and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m
              replacing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=
=99t budge it ,
              I can=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to fi=
nish
              rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and
              brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why w=
on=E2=80=99t
              move . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to
              the flywheel? &nbsp;I may answer my own question the farther =
I
              get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to need to replace=
 the
              clutch.&nbsp; </span></div>
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<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-GB">On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener no=
referrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"yiv8731480729moz-txt-li=
nk-freetext">[email-masked]</a>
                    wrote:</span></div>
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years
                    could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master
                    cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As
                    Perry says, could also be the same issue in the
                    slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the
                    pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the
                    piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung up. The
                    clutch disc is another issue which may show up
                    later, and I would wonder if the brakes are
                    functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with
                    hydraulics especially if the car is not in a
                    conditioned space. </span></div>
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<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-GB">This is a good time to change all the
                      fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace
                      cylinders-fun stuff. Hank</span></div>
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<div class=3D"yiv8731480729MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">From: "Perry
                      Small via Healeys" <br clear=3D"none">
                      To: "Don Day"<br clear=3D"none">
                      Cc: "healey list"<br clear=3D"none">
                      Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br clear=3D"=
none">
                      Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br clear=3D"none"=
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      Don<br clear=3D"none">
                      Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the
                      pin at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will
                      move.<br clear=3D"none">
                      P<br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      &gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via
                      Healeys <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
                      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
                      &gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                      &gt; =EF=BB=BFHi List<br clear=3D"none">
                      &gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for
                      over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and I=E2=80=99m
                      thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the
                      flywheel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it=
 be
                      freed up .<br clear=3D"none">
                      &gt; Thanks Don<br clear=3D"none">
                      &gt;<br clear=3D"none">
                      &gt;</span></div>
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