Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate

From: Don via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 22:52:39 -0400

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Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done so f=
ar . When I first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it wouldn=
=E2=80=99t move.  After removing the carbs , which I=E2=80=99m going to rebu=
ild I was able to access the clutch master cylinder. After removing the line=
s to the master cylinder i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=
=99m replacing the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=
=99m replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic f=
luid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car and looked at the clutch sla=
ve cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m replacing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch for=
k. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99=
m going to finish rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and br=
ake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t move=
 . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?  I may an=
swer my own question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t wan=
t to need to replace the clutch.=20
         Don=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, [email-masked] wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master c=
ylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, could also be t=
he same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the pedal d=
oes not move any mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it can't be mechan=
ically hung up. The clutch disc is another issue which may show up later, an=
d I would wonder if the brakes are functioning? Moisture really plays havoc w=
ith hydraulics especially if the car is not in a conditioned space.
>=20
> This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or rep=
lace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank
>=20
> -----------------------------------------
>=20
> From: "Perry Small via Healeys"=20
> To: "Don Day"
> Cc: "healey list"
> Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>=20
> Don
> Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave and see i=
f the clutch pedal will move.
> P
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> > On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFHi List
> > If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly in a=
 garage and I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the flyw=
heel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .
> > Thanks Don
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story abou=
t the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done so far . When I first got the car and I tried t=
o push the clutch pedal it wouldn=E2=80=99t move. &nbsp;After removing the c=
arbs , which I=E2=80=99m going to rebuild I was able to access the clutch ma=
ster cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder i was able to=
 push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replacing the lines to both the c=
lutch and brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders=
 . I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got un=
der the car and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m repla=
cing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=E2=
=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to finish rebuilding, replac=
ing everything in both the clutch and brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m j=
ust Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t move . Would this happen if the clutch d=
isc was stuck to the flywheel? &nbsp;I may answer my own question the farthe=
r I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to need to replace the clutch=
.&nbsp;<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Don&nbsp;<br><br><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br></blockquote>=
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BFTwelve years could=
 have built up some "goo" in the clutch master cylinder and prevent it from m=
oving the piston. As Perry says, could also be the same issue in the slave. H=
owever, the clutch is hydraulic and the pedal does not move any mechanics (o=
ther than the piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung up. The clutch di=
sc is another issue which may show up later, and I would wonder if the brake=
s are functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with hydraulics especially if=
 the car is not in a conditioned space.<div><br></div><div>This is a good ti=
me to change all the fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace cylinders-fun s=
tuff. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>--------------=
---------------------------</p>From: "Perry Small via Healeys" <healeys@auto=
x.team.net><br>To: "Don Day"<br>Cc: "healey list"<br>Sent: Saturday November=
 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br><br>
Don<br>
Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave
and see if the clutch pedal will move.<br>
P<br><br>
Sent from my iPhone<br><br>
&gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BFHi List<br>
&gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12 years ,
Allegedly in a garage and I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be
stuck to the flywheel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed
up .<br>
&gt; Thanks Don<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt; Sent from my iPad<br>
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From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2021 20:55:39 -0700

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re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?"

I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get 
at least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the 
cover plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used 
diaphragm 'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to move 
the pedal until the springs reached their limit of travel (or you left 
leg reached its limit of strength).

It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long time it's 
conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crystallized to the 
point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). 
I'm not sure you can move the release bearing fork much by hand, though 
I haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.

Bob

On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
> Sorry I didn’t finish my story about the fixes I’ve done so far . When 
> I first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it wouldn’t 
> move.  After removing the carbs , which I’m going to rebuild I was 
> able to access the clutch master cylinder. After removing the lines to 
> the master cylinder i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I’m 
> replacing the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder. I’m 
> replacing both master cylinders . I’m replacing the hydraulic fluid 
> tank as it leaks. When I got under the car and looked at the clutch 
> slave cylinder, which I’m replacing I can’t move the clutch fork. I 
> can’t budge it , I can’t move the piston rod . I’m going to finish 
> rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and brake 
> hydraulics system. I’m just Puzzled as to why won’t move . Would this 
> happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?  I may answer my 
> own question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don’t want to need 
> to replace the clutch.
>          Don
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> Twelve years could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master 
>> cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, could 
>> also be the same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic 
>> and the pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the piston rod) 
>> so it can't be mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is another issue 
>> which may show up later, and I would wonder if the brakes are 
>> functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with hydraulics especially 
>> if the car is not in a conditioned space.
>>
>> This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses, rebuild 
>> or replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank
>>
>> From: "Perry Small via Healeys"
>> To: "Don Day"
>> Cc: "healey list"
>> Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave and 
>> see if the clutch pedal will move.
>> P
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys 
>> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi List
>> > If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12 years , 
>> Allegedly in a garage and I’m thinking the clutch plate could be 
>> stuck to the flywheel, can’t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .
>> > Thanks Don
>> >
>> >

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    re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the
    flywheel?"<br>
    <br>
    I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still
    get at least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil
    springs in the cover plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel,
    and later cars used diaphragm 'springs.' I think with either you'd
    at least be able to move the pedal until the springs reached their
    limit of travel (or you left leg reached its limit of strength). <br>
    <br>
    It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long time
    it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or
    crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I
    have had BF gell up). I'm not sure you can move the release bearing
    fork much by hand, though I haven't tried; those are some strong
    springs in the cover plate.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      Sorry I didn’t finish my story about the fixes I’ve done so far .
      When I first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it
      wouldn’t move.  After removing the carbs , which I’m going to
      rebuild I was able to access the clutch master cylinder. After
      removing the lines to the master cylinder i was able to push the
      pedal to the floor . I’m replacing the lines to both the clutch
      and brake master cylinder. I’m replacing both master cylinders .
      I’m replacing the hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got
      under the car and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I’m
      replacing I can’t move the clutch fork. I can’t budge it , I can’t
      move the piston rod . I’m going to finish rebuilding, replacing
      everything in both the clutch and brake hydraulics system. I’m
      just Puzzled as to why won’t move . Would this happen if the
      clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?  I may answer my own
      question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don’t want to need
      to replace the clutch. 
      <div>         Don <br>
        <br>
        <div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
        <div dir="ltr"><br>
          <blockquote type="cite">On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM,
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div dir="ltr">Twelve years could have built up some "goo" in
            the clutch master cylinder and prevent it from moving the
            piston. As Perry says, could also be the same issue in the
            slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the pedal does
            not move any mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it
            can't be mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is another
            issue which may show up later, and I would wonder if the
            brakes are functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with
            hydraulics especially if the car is not in a conditioned
            space.
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace
              hoses, rebuild or replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank<br>
              <br>
              <p>-----------------------------------------</p>
              From: "Perry Small via Healeys" <[email-masked]><br>
                To: "Don Day"<br>
                Cc: "healey list"<br>
                Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>
                Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br>
                <br>
                Don<br>
                Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at
                the slave
                and see if the clutch pedal will move.<br>
                P<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<br>
                <br>
                &gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; Hi List<br>
                &gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12
                years ,
                Allegedly in a garage and I’m thinking the clutch plate
                could be
                stuck to the flywheel, can’t push clutch pedal in , can
                it be freed
                up .<br>
                &gt; Thanks Don<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt;</[email-masked]><br>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
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From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 09:42:28 -0000

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After/during a protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it =
takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever =
and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the =
wrong clutch cover.

What did impress me was the comparison between how hard/impossible it =
was to move by hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal =
once the hydraulics were 100%.=20

Certainly, I=E2=80=99d want to convince myself that the hydraulics were =
100% before assuming that the disk was stuck.

Simon

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell =
via Healeys
Sent: 07 November 2021 03:56
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate

=20

I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get =
at least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the =
cover plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used =
diaphragm 'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to move =
the pedal until the springs reached their limit of travel (or you left =
leg reached its limit of strength).=20

It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long time it's =
conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crystallized to the =
point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). =
I'm not sure you can move the release bearing fork much by hand, though =
I haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.

Bob

Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done =
so far . When I first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal =
it wouldn=E2=80=99t move.  After removing the carbs , which I=E2=80=99m =
going to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master cylinder. After =
removing the lines to the master cylinder i was able to push the pedal =
to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replacing the lines to both the clutch and =
brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . =
I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got =
under the car and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m =
replacing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it =
, I can=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to finish =
rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and brake hydraulics =
system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t move . Would =
this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?  I may answer =
my own question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want =
to need to replace the clutch. =20

         Don=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, [email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some "goo" in the clutch =
master cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, =
could also be the same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is =
hydraulic and the pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the =
piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is =
another issue which may show up later, and I would wonder if the brakes =
are functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with hydraulics especially =
if the car is not in a conditioned space.=20

=20

This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or =
replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank

Don
Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave and see =
if the clutch pedal will move.
P

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys  =
>
> =EF=BB=BFHi List
> If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly =
in a garage and I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to =
the flywheel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>After/during a protracted battle =
with my clutch, I can confirm that it takes a lot of effort to move the =
fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, =
it seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch =
cover.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What did impress me was the =
comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by hand and how =
easy it was to get it to move with the pedal once the hydraulics were =
100%. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Certainly, I=E2=80=99d want to =
convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% before assuming that the =
disk was stuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 03:56<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch =
plate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>re: &quot;Would this happen if the clutch =
disc was stuck to the flywheel?&quot;<br><br>I think if it was just the =
clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get at least some movement of =
the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the cover plate to hold the =
disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm 'springs.' I =
think with either you'd at least be able to move the pedal until the =
springs reached their limit of travel (or you left leg reached its limit =
of strength). <br><br>It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat =
for a long time it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or =
crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have =
had BF gell up). I'm not sure you can move the release bearing fork much =
by hand, though I haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the =
cover plate.<br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes =
I=E2=80=99ve done so far . When I first got the car and I tried to push =
the clutch pedal it wouldn=E2=80=99t move. &nbsp;After removing the =
carbs , which I=E2=80=99m going to rebuild I was able to access the =
clutch master cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder =
i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replacing the =
lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=99m =
replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic =
fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car and looked at the =
clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m replacing I can=E2=80=99t move =
the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=E2=80=99t move the =
piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to finish rebuilding, replacing =
everything in both the clutch and brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m =
just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t move . Would this happen if the =
clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel? &nbsp;I may answer my own =
question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to =
need to replace the clutch.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;Don&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from =
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some =
&quot;goo&quot; in the clutch master cylinder and prevent it from moving =
the piston. As Perry says, could also be the same issue in the slave. =
However, the clutch is hydraulic and the pedal does not move any =
mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung =
up. The clutch disc is another issue which may show up later, and I =
would wonder if the brakes are functioning? Moisture really plays havoc =
with hydraulics especially if the car is not in a conditioned space. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This is a good time to change all the =
fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace cylinders-fun stuff. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></p><p>-----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>From: &quot;Perry Small via Healeys&quot; =
<br>To: &quot;Don Day&quot;<br>Cc: &quot;healey list&quot;<br>Sent: =
Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch =
plate<br><br>Don<br>Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin =
at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will move.<br>P<br><br>Sent =
from my iPhone<br><br>&gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via =
Healeys <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>=
 wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =EF=BB=BFHi List<br>&gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey =
has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and =
I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the flywheel, =
can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .<br>&gt; Thanks =
Don<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></blockq=
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ld sort out the hydraulics first and then if it still doesn=E2=80=99t move =
the clutch pressure plate mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate would h=
ave to be stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the tran=
smission shaft to prevent movement.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Harold<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><div style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border=
-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November =
7, 2021 1:43 AM<br><b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Hea=
leys</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate</p></div><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Afte=
r/during a protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it takes a =
lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever and got virtu=
ally nowhere, but then, it seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch co=
ver.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>What did =
impress me was the comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by=
 hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal once the hydraul=
ics were 100%. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-G=
B>Certainly, I=E2=80=99d want to convince myself that the hydraulics were 1=
00% before assuming that the disk was stuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'bord=
er:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b=
>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 =
03:56<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]=
 Clutch plate<span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-GB>re: &quot;Would thi=
s happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?&quot;<br><br>I think=
 if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get at least =
some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the cover plate=
 to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm 'spri=
ngs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to move the pedal until th=
e springs reached their limit of travel (or you left leg reached its limit =
of strength). <br><br>It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for =
a long time it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crysta=
llized to the point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF g=
ell up). I'm not sure you can move the release bearing fork much by hand, t=
hough I haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.<br=
><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>=
On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><bl=
ockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span lang=3DEN-GB>Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes=
 I=E2=80=99ve done so far . When I first got the car and I tried to push th=
e clutch pedal it wouldn=E2=80=99t move. &nbsp;After removing the carbs , w=
hich I=E2=80=99m going to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master cy=
linder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder i was able to push =
the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replacing the lines to both the clutch=
 and brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . I=
=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under=
 the car and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m replaci=
ng I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=
=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to finish rebuilding, re=
placing everything in both the clutch and brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=
=99m just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t move . Would this happen if the c=
lutch disc was stuck to the flywheel? &nbsp;I may answer my own question th=
e farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to need to replace t=
he clutch.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'm=
argin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-GB>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;D=
on&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>=
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-GB>On Nov 6, 2021, at =
10:08 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wr=
ote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-to=
p:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>=
=EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some &quot;goo&quot; in the clutc=
h master cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, cou=
ld also be the same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic an=
d the pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it c=
an't be mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is another issue which may sh=
ow up later, and I would wonder if the brakes are functioning? Moisture rea=
lly plays havoc with hydraulics especially if the car is not in a condition=
ed space. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-G=
B>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'marg=
in-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-GB>This is a good time to change all the =
fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p><span lang=3DEN-GB>----------------------------------------=
-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>From: &quot;=
Perry Small via Healeys&quot; <br>To: &quot;Don Day&quot;<br>Cc: &quot;heal=
ey list&quot;<br>Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>Subject: Re: [=
Healeys] Clutch plate<br><br>Don<br>Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. =
Pull the pin at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will move.<br>P<br><b=
r>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>&gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via H=
ealeys <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;</a> wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =EF=BB=BFHi List<br>&gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Hea=
ley has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and I=E2=80=
=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the flywheel, can=E2=80=99=
t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .<br>&gt; Thanks Don<br>&gt;<br=
>&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><p c=
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re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmission shaft"

The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a damp 
climate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given their 
small clearance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I always put 
some tenacious grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on those splines 
(thin coat only).

On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Manifold via Healeys wrote:
>
> I would sort out the hydraulics first and then if it still doesn’t 
> move the clutch pressure plate mechanism may be seized. The clutch 
> plate would have to be stuck to both the pressure plate and the 
> flywheel and or the transmission shaft to prevent movement.
>
> Harold
>
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>
> After/during a protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it 
> takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever 
> and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems, I’d been sold the wrong 
> clutch cover.
>
> What did impress me was the comparison between how hard/impossible it 
> was to move by hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the 
> pedal once the hydraulics were 100%.
>
> Certainly, I’d want to convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% 
> before assuming that the disk was stuck.
>
> Simon
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Bob 
> Spidell via Healeys
> *Sent:* 07 November 2021 03:56
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
>
> get at least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs 
> in the cover plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later 
> cars used diaphragm 'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be 
> able to move the pedal until the springs reached their limit of travel 
> (or you left leg reached its limit of strength).
>
> conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crystallized to 
> the point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF gell 
> up). I'm not sure you can move the release bearing fork much by hand, 
> though I haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.
>
> Bob
>
>         Twelve years could have built up some "goo" in the clutch
>         master cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As
>         Perry says, could also be the same issue in the slave.
>         However, the clutch is hydraulic and the pedal does not move
>         any mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it can't be
>         mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is another issue which
>         may show up later, and I would wonder if the brakes are
>         functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with hydraulics
>         especially if the car is not in a conditioned space.
>
>         This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses,
>         rebuild or replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank
>
>         Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the
>         slave and see if the clutch pedal will move.
>         P
>
>         Sent from my iPhone
>
>         Allegedly in a garage and I’m thinking the clutch plate could
>         be stuck to the flywheel, can’t push clutch pedal in , can it
>         be freed up .
>         > Thanks Don
>         >
>         >
>
>

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    re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmission
    shaft"<br>
    <br>
    The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a
    damp climate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given
    their small clearance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I
    always put some tenacious grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on
    those splines (thin coat only). <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Manifold
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I would sort out the hydraulics first and
          then if it still doesn’t move the clutch pressure plate
          mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate would have to be
          stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the
          transmission shaft to prevent movement.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Harold<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
            </b><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM<br>
            <b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true">Healeys</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">After/during a
            protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it
            takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I
            used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems,
            I’d been sold the wrong clutch cover.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">What did impress me was
            the comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by
            hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal
            once the hydraulics were 100%. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Certainly, I’d want to
            convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% before
            assuming that the disk was stuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob
              Spidell via Healeys<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 03:56<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<span
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            lang="EN-GB">re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was
            stuck to the flywheel?"<br>
            <br>
            I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel
            you'd still get at least some movement of the pedal. Early
            cars used coil springs in the cover plate to hold the disk
            firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm
            'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to
            move the pedal until the springs reached their limit of
            travel (or you left leg reached its limit of strength). <br>
            <br>
            It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long
            time it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled
            and/or crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the
            slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I'm not sure you can
            move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I haven't
            tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.<br>
            <br>
            Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM,
              Don via Healeys wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Sorry I didn’t finish
              my story about the fixes I’ve done so far . When I first
              got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it
              wouldn’t move.  After removing the carbs , which I’m going
              to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master
              cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder
              i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I’m replacing
              the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder.
              I’m replacing both master cylinders . I’m replacing the
              hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car
              and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I’m
              replacing I can’t move the clutch fork. I can’t budge it ,
              I can’t move the piston rod . I’m going to finish
              rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and
              brake hydraulics system. I’m just Puzzled as to why won’t
              move . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to
              the flywheel?  I may answer my own question the farther I
              get into the rebuild. I don’t want to need to replace the
              clutch.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Sent from my
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                    lang="EN-GB">On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, <a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Twelve years
                    could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master
                    cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As
                    Perry says, could also be the same issue in the
                    slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the
                    pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the
                    piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung up. The
                    clutch disc is another issue which may show up
                    later, and I would wonder if the brakes are
                    functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with
                    hydraulics especially if the car is not in a
                    conditioned space. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                      lang="EN-GB">This is a good time to change all the
                      fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace
                      cylinders-fun stuff. Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">From: "Perry
                      Small via Healeys" <br>
                      To: "Don Day"<br>
                      Cc: "healey list"<br>
                      Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>
                      Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br>
                      <br>
                      Don<br>
                      Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the
                      pin at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will
                      move.<br>
                      P<br>
                      <br>
                      Sent from my iPhone<br>
                      <br>
                      &gt; On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via
                      Healeys <a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
                      wrote:<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt; Hi List<br>
                      &gt; If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for
                      over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and I’m
                      thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the
                      flywheel, can’t push clutch pedal in , can it be
                      freed up .<br>
                      &gt; Thanks Don<br>
                      &gt;<br>
                      &gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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