Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 front brakes

From: Michael Salter via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:48:01 +1300

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The "OUTEE" type of connection that you show in your picture is not for a
brake hose. It was originally used for a solid line with a "double" flare.
A TSB was released in later years which indicated that either a double
flare or a "bubble" flare could be used with that type of connection.
https://precisionsportscar.com/brake-pipe-flare-tsb/
Those wheel cylinders had a solid pipe in one "hole" and either a bleed
screw or a flex hose in the other. The flex hose was sealed with a copper
washer at the top of the thread and the bleed screw originally had a flat
end with small steel ball.

On Sun., Feb. 26, 2023, 8:27 a.m. Hank Leach via Healeys, <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Do you mean "wheel" cylinders and not "slave"...100s have a mechanical
> clutch. I understand that on all model Healeys the brake hoses have one
> threaded end and one flared end. That flare goes into the metal line nut.
>
> On the early 100 wheel cylinders they used an American AF thread but
> switched over to the Girling unified thread on later releases. The bleeder
> connection can be either in or out in shape (photo) but if the bleed screw
> is flat it uses the check ball (supplied in rebuild kits) and fits the
> recessed shape. The pointed bleeder uses no check ball.  Be sure that you
> were supplied the correct threaded hose...most suppliers do not have the
> early style. Use Girling red grease on the threads. Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "warthodson--- via Healeys"
> To: "[email-masked]"
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday February 24 2023 5:15:16PM
> Subject: [Healeys] 100 front brakes
>
> I will be assisting a friend to replace the flexible hoses on his 100
> front brakes. He has ordered and received a set of hoses, but the ends that
> thread into the slave Cyl do not match the shape of the mating surface in
> the slave. The ends of the hoses are flat & it is my understanding that the
> cyl. is cone shaped inside. The vender says this is not a problem. I think
> it is a problem.
> What do you say?
> Also, if it is an issue, where can we get a set of flex hoses that have
> the correct ends for this application & are also the correct length (I.E.
> Not too short)?
> Gary Hodson
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">The &quot;OUTEE&quot; type of connection that you show in=
 your picture is not for a brake hose. It was originally used for a solid l=
ine with a &quot;double&quot; flare. A TSB was released in later years whic=
h indicated that either a double flare or a &quot;bubble&quot; flare could =
be used with that type of connection.=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://precisi=
onsportscar.com/brake-pipe-flare-tsb/">https://precisionsportscar.com/brake=
-pipe-flare-tsb/</a><div dir=3D"auto">Those wheel cylinders had a solid pip=
e in one &quot;hole&quot; and either a bleed screw or a flex hose in the ot=
her. The flex hose was sealed with a copper washer at the top of the thread=
 and the bleed screw originally had a flat end with small steel ball.=C2=A0=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Sun., Feb. 26, 2023, 8:27 a.m. Hank Leach via Healeys, &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Do you mean &quot;wheel&quot; cy=
linders and not &quot;slave&quot;...100s have a mechanical clutch. I unders=
tand that on all model Healeys the brake hoses have one threaded end and on=
e flared end. That flare goes into the metal line nut.<div><br></div><div>O=
n the early 100 wheel cylinders they used an American AF thread but switche=
d over to the Girling unified thread on later releases. The bleeder connect=
ion can be either in or out in shape (photo) but if the bleed screw is flat=
 it uses the check ball (supplied in rebuild kits) and fits the recessed sh=
ape. The pointed bleeder uses no check ball.=C2=A0 Be sure that you were su=
pplied the correct threaded hose...most suppliers do not have the early sty=
le. Use Girling red grease on the threads. Hank<br><br><div></div><p>------=
-----------------------------------</p>From: &quot;warthodson--- via Healey=
s&quot; <u></u><br>To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&quot;<br>Cc: <b=
r>Sent: Friday February 24 2023 5:15:16PM<br>Subject: [Healeys] 100 front b=
rakes<br><br>
<div style=3D"color:#000000;font:12pt &#39;Comic Sans MS&#39;,sans-serif">I
will be assisting a friend to replace the flexible hoses on his 100
front brakes. He has ordered and received a set of hoses, but the
ends that thread into the slave Cyl do not match the shape of the
mating surface in the slave. The ends of the hoses are flat &amp; it is
my understanding that the cyl. is cone shaped inside. The vender
says this is not a problem. I think it is a problem.
<div>What do you say?=C2=A0</div>
<div>Also, if it is an issue, where can we get a set of flex hoses
that have the correct ends for this application &amp; are also the
correct length (I.E. Not too short)?</div>
<div>Gary Hodson<br><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
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From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:04:43 +0000

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The Girling brakes cylinders I have dealt with use a copper washer to seal =
to the supply port. They didn=92t use any type of flare. The =93inee=94 and=
 =93outee=94 ports on the cylinders shown were made to match a bubble flare=
 or a double flare solid line respectively. These are the transfer ports be=
tween the double cylinders on the Girling dual leading shoe braking system =
used on the front of the 100 and 100-6. The transfer pipes currently availa=
ble use double flares on both ends so the bubble flare port may not be comp=
atible. The The ports that are angled are the correct ports for the supply =
hoses (upper) and bleeder screws (lower). The hoses screw into the upper an=
gled port and seal with copper washers. The bleeder screws as noted may use=
 a tapered sealing surface or a flat surface with a round indentation and a=
 small steel ball.

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554

________________________________
From: Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of Hank Leach via =
Healeys <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2023 6:59 PM
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 front brakes

Do you mean "wheel" cylinders and not "slave"...100s have a mechanical clut=
ch. I understand that on all model Healeys the brake hoses have one threade=
d end and one flared end. That flare goes into the metal line nut.

On the early 100 wheel cylinders they used an American AF thread but switch=
ed over to the Girling unified thread on later releases. The bleeder connec=
tion can be either in or out in shape (photo) but if the bleed screw is fla=
t it uses the check ball (supplied in rebuild kits) and fits the recessed s=
hape. The pointed bleeder uses no check ball.  Be sure that you were suppli=
ed the correct threaded hose...most suppliers do not have the early style. =
Use Girling red grease on the threads. Hank

I will be assisting a friend to replace the flexible hoses on his 100 front=
 brakes. He has ordered and received a set of hoses, but the ends that thre=
ad into the slave Cyl do not match the shape of the mating surface in the s=
lave. The ends of the hoses are flat & it is my understanding that the cyl.=
 is cone shaped inside. The vender says this is not a problem. I think it i=
s a problem.
What do you say?
Also, if it is an issue, where can we get a set of flex hoses that have the=
 correct ends for this application & are also the correct length (I.E. Not =
too short)?
Gary Hodson

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<div>The Girling brakes cylinders I have dealt with use a copper washer to =
seal to the supply port. They didn=92t use any type of flare. The =93inee=
=94 and =93outee=94 ports on the cylinders shown were made to match a bubbl=
e flare or a double flare solid line respectively.
 These are the transfer ports between the double cylinders on the Girling d=
ual leading shoe braking system used on the front of the 100 and 100-6. The=
 transfer pipes currently available use double flares on both ends so the b=
ubble flare port may not be compatible.
 The The ports that are angled are the correct ports for the supply hoses (=
upper) and bleeder screws (lower). The hoses screw into the upper angled po=
rt and seal with copper washers. The bleeder screws as noted may use a tape=
red sealing surface or a flat surface
 with a round indentation and a small steel ball.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill Lawrence</div>
<div>BN1 #554</div>
<br>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1">
<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys-b=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Hank Leach via Healeys &lt;healeys@a=
utox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 25, 2023 6:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 front brakes</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>Do you mean &quot;wheel&quot; cylinders and not &quot;slave&quot;...10=
0s have a mechanical clutch. I understand that on all model Healeys the bra=
ke hoses have one threaded end and one flared end. That flare goes into the=
 metal line nut.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the early 100 wheel cylinders they used an American AF thread but s=
witched over to the Girling unified thread on later releases. The bleeder c=
onnection can be either in or out in shape (photo) but if the bleed screw i=
s flat it uses the check ball (supplied
 in rebuild kits) and fits the recessed shape. The pointed bleeder uses no =
check ball.&nbsp; Be sure that you were supplied the correct threaded hose.=
..most suppliers do not have the early style. Use Girling red grease on the=
 threads. Hank<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_reply-new-signature"></div>
<p>-----------------------------------------</p>
From: &quot;warthodson--- via Healeys&quot; <br>
To: &quot;[email-masked]&quot;<br>
Cc: <br>
Sent: Friday February 24 2023 5:15:16PM<br>
Subject: [Healeys] 100 front brakes<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"color:#000000; font:12pt 'Comic Sans MS',sans-serif">I will b=
e assisting a friend to replace the flexible hoses on his 100 front brakes.=
 He has ordered and received a set of hoses, but the ends that thread into =
the slave Cyl do not match the shape
 of the mating surface in the slave. The ends of the hoses are flat &amp; i=
t is my understanding that the cyl. is cone shaped inside. The vender says =
this is not a problem. I think it is a problem.
<div>What do you say?&nbsp;</div>
<div>Also, if it is an issue, where can we get a set of flex hoses that hav=
e the correct ends for this application &amp; are also the correct length (=
I.E. Not too short)?</div>
<div>Gary Hodson<br>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
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From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:12:54 +0000

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Correction as I notice the cylinders shown appear to be double ended, they =
would probably be used on the rear brakes and the =93inee=94 and =93outee=
=94 ports would be the supply ports for the solid tubes from the three way =
fitting on the axle housing. Both of the other ports would be bleeders.

Bill Lawrence
________________________________
From: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2023 9:04 PM
To: Hank Leach via Healeys <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]' <=
[email-masked]>; Hank Leach <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 front brakes

Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554

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kground-color: transparent;">
Correction as I notice the cylinders shown appear to be double ended, they =
would probably be used on the rear brakes and the =93inee=94 and =93outee=
=94 ports would be the supply ports for the solid tubes from the three way =
fitting on the axle housing. Both of the other
 ports would be bleeders.</div>
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Bill Lawrence</div>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 25, 2023 9:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hank Leach via Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'warthods=
[email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Hank Leach &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 front brakes</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>The Girling brakes cylinders I have dealt with use a copper washer to =
seal to the supply port. They didn=92t use any type of flare. The =93inee=
=94 and =93outee=94 ports on the cylinders shown were made to match a bubbl=
e flare or a double flare solid line respectively.
 These are the transfer ports between the double cylinders on the Girling d=
ual leading shoe braking system used on the front of the 100 and 100-6. The=
 transfer pipes currently available use double flares on both ends so the b=
ubble flare port may not be compatible.
 The The ports that are angled are the correct ports for the supply hoses (=
upper) and bleeder screws (lower). The hoses screw into the upper angled po=
rt and seal with copper washers. The bleeder screws as noted may use a tape=
red sealing surface or a flat surface
 with a round indentation and a small steel ball.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill Lawrence</div>
<div>BN1 #554</div>
<br>
<hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%">
<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;healeys=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Hank Leach via Healeys &lt;healeys=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 25, 2023 6:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 front brakes</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
<div>Do you mean &quot;wheel&quot; cylinders and not &quot;slave&quot;...10=
0s have a mechanical clutch. I understand that on all model Healeys the bra=
ke hoses have one threaded end and one flared end. That flare goes into the=
 metal line nut.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the early 100 wheel cylinders they used an American AF thread but s=
witched over to the Girling unified thread on later releases. The bleeder c=
onnection can be either in or out in shape (photo) but if the bleed screw i=
s flat it uses the check ball (supplied
 in rebuild kits) and fits the recessed shape. The pointed bleeder uses no =
check ball.&nbsp; Be sure that you were supplied the correct threaded hose.=
..most suppliers do not have the early style. Use Girling red grease on the=
 threads. Hank<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_reply-new-signature"></div>
<p>-----------------------------------------</p>
From: &quot;warthodson--- via Healeys&quot; <br>
To: &quot;[email-masked]&quot;<br>
Cc: <br>
Sent: Friday February 24 2023 5:15:16PM<br>
Subject: [Healeys] 100 front brakes<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"color:#000000; font:12pt 'Comic Sans MS',sans-serif">I will b=
e assisting a friend to replace the flexible hoses on his 100 front brakes.=
 He has ordered and received a set of hoses, but the ends that thread into =
the slave Cyl do not match the shape
 of the mating surface in the slave. The ends of the hoses are flat &amp; i=
t is my understanding that the cyl. is cone shaped inside. The vender says =
this is not a problem. I think it is a problem.
<div>What do you say?&nbsp;</div>
<div>Also, if it is an issue, where can we get a set of flex hoses that hav=
e the correct ends for this application &amp; are also the correct length (=
I.E. Not too short)?</div>
<div>Gary Hodson<br>
<div>&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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From: warthodson--- via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:24:00 +0000 (UTC)

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This car is a BN1.Yes, I was referring to the brake wheel cylinders or slav=
e cylinders as opposed to the master cylinder.What are you referring to whe=
n you say=C2=A0 "Be sure that you were supplied the correct threaded hose..=
.most suppliers do not have the early style."How do I identify an early sty=
le hose from a latter style hose?
Gary Hodson

-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Leach <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2023 12:59 pm
Subject: RE: [Healeys] 100 front brakes

Do you mean "wheel" cylinders and not "slave"...100s have a mechanical clut=
ch. I understand that on all model Healeys the brake hoses have one threade=
d end and one flared end. That flare goes into the metal line nut.
On the early 100 wheel cylinders they used an American AF thread but switch=
ed over to the Girling unified thread on later releases. The bleeder connec=
tion can be either in or out in shape (photo) but if the bleed screw is fla=
t it uses the check ball (supplied in rebuild kits) and fits the recessed s=
hape. The pointed bleeder uses no check ball.=C2=A0 Be sure that you were s=
upplied the correct threaded hose...most suppliers do not have the early st=
yle. Use Girling red grease on the threads. Hank

-----------------------------------------From: "warthodson--- via Healeys"=
=20
To: "[email-masked]"
Cc:=20
Sent: Friday February 24 2023 5:15:16PM
Subject: [Healeys] 100 front brakes

Iwill be assisting a friend to replace the flexible hoses on his 100front b=
rakes. He has ordered and received a set of hoses, but theends that thread =
into the slave Cyl do not match the shape of themating surface in the slave=
. The ends of the hoses are flat & it ismy understanding that the cyl. is c=
one shaped inside. The vendersays this is not a problem. I think it is a pr=
oblem.What do you say?=C2=A0Also, if it is an issue, where can we get a set=
 of flex hosesthat have the correct ends for this application & are also th=
ecorrect length (I.E. Not too short)?Gary Hodson
=C2=A0=C2=A0
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<div>This car is a BN1.</div>
Yes, I was referring to the brake wheel cylinders or slave cylinders as opposed to the master cylinder.
<div>What are you referring to when you say&nbsp; "<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: small;">Be sure that you were supplied the correct threaded hose...most suppliers do not have the early style."</span></div>

<div><font size="3">How do I identify an early style hose from a latter style hose?</font><br>
Gary Hodson<br>
<br>

<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Hank Leach &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
To: [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2023 12:59 pm<br>
Subject: RE: [Healeys] 100 front brakes<br>
<br>

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<div>Do you mean "wheel" cylinders and not "slave"...100s have a mechanical clutch. I understand that on all model Healeys the brake hoses have one threaded end and one flared end. That flare goes into the metal line nut.
<div><br clear="none"></div>

<div>On the early 100 wheel cylinders they used an American AF thread but switched over to the Girling unified thread on later releases. The bleeder connection can be either in or out in shape (photo) but if the bleed screw is flat it uses the check ball (supplied in rebuild kits) and fits the recessed shape. The pointed bleeder uses no check ball.&nbsp; Be sure that you were supplied the correct threaded hose...most suppliers do not have the early style. Use Girling red grease on the threads. Hank<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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