Subject: [Healeys] High clutch

From: Don via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:15:10 -0400

My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches from the rest position . I’ve replaced the clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I’ve bled the system . There’s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I’m sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder? 
       Thanks , Don 

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Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 13:45:16 -0400

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As long as you are sure that when the clutch is engaged (pedal up) there is
clearance at both the slave and master cylinder clevices (clevi?) you could
introduce a little air into the system (open the bleed screw and blow a
small amount in) to lower the engagement point.

M

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> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches
> from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replaced the clutch master cylinder=
 and the
> slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=E2=80=99s. No sl=
ipping of the
> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clutch. =
Is there
> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know
> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission
> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>        Thanks , Don
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">As long as you are sure that when the clutch is engaged (=
pedal up) there is clearance at both the slave and master cylinder clevices=
 (clevi?) you could introduce a little air into the system (open the bleed =
screw and blow a small amount in) to lower the engagement point.=C2=A0<div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:4=
6 a.m. Don via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress=
 the pedal about 1 to 2 inches from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replac=
ed the clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled=
 the system . There=E2=80=99s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 o=
n it with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it=
 catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?=C2=A0 I know there are no thr=
eaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a dif=
ferent length rod coming out of the slave cylinder? <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks , Don <br>
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From: Michael Salter <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:31:39 -0400

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Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has me
confused.
Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the clutch
starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a small
distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed) position?

M

 and the
ipping of the
Is there
> end . Maybe a different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Thinking more about your clutch issue. =
Your description of symptoms has me confused.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">Am I c=
orrect in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the clutch starts=
 to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a small distance =
this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed) position?</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46=
 a.m. Don via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress =
the pedal about 1 to 2 inches from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replace=
d the clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled =
the system . There=E2=80=99s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on=
 it with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it =
catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?=C2=A0 I know there are no thre=
aded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a diff=
erent length rod coming out of the slave cylinder? <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks , Don <br>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I thought the packing shims were only for t=
he brake master cylinder and there are no packing shims in the clutch master=
.<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Harold</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">On Aug 13, 2023, at 4:54 PM, Michael Salter &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">Thinking more about your c=
lutch issue. Your description of symptoms has me confused.&nbsp;<div dir=3D"=
auto">Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the cl=
utch starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a small=
 distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed) position?</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun., Aug. 13, 202=
3, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depres=
s the pedal about 1 to 2 inches from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replac=
ed the clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled t=
he system . There=E2=80=99s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on i=
t with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it cat=
ch more mid way when I depress the pedal?&nbsp; I know there are no threaded=
 rods on either the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a different=
 length rod coming out of the slave cylinder? <br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks , Don <br>
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Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and hydraulic
issues, my understanding is that "clutches wear upwards"
So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is less
important than traffic and start/stop time driving.
Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.
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> Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has m=
e
> confused.
> Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the clutc=
h
> On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <[email-masked]=
t>
>> from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replaced the clutch master cylinde=
r and the
>> slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=E2=80=99s. No s=
lipping of the
>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clutch.=
 Is there
>> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmissio=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Assuming that there is no significant wear at the lin=
kages and hydraulic issues, my understanding is that &quot;clutches wear up=
wards&quot;</div><div>So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my min=
d mileage is less important than traffic and start/stop time driving.<br></=
div><div>Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.</di=
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inking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has me co=
nfused.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">Am I correct in assuming that what you are e=
xperiencing is that the clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing th=
e clutch pedal only a small distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its norma=
l (undepressed) position?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
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tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 t=
o 2 inches from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replaced the clutch master=
 cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=
=E2=80=99s. No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I=E2=80=
=99m sure the original clutch. Is there any way to make it catch more mid w=
ay when I depress the pedal?=C2=A0 I know there are no threaded rods on eit=
her the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a different length rod=
 coming out of the slave cylinder? <br>
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From: Michael Oritt <[email-masked]>
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My problem is just the opposite:  After having just replaced the clutch and
pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not *disengage* until almost the
extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my foot is depressed to the
floorboard.  Though my car's clutch was originally mechanical I long ago
replaced it with hydraulics after installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyota
transmission conversion.  I have checked the linkage for wear and do not
see the usual egging out of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.  Would
changing the bore size of either or both cylinders be a fix?

Best--Michael Oritt

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>> Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms has
>> me confused.
>> Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is that the
>> clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only a
>> small distance this being 1 - 2 inches from its normal (undepressed)
>> position?
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys, <
>> [email-masked]> wrote:
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>>> from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replaced the clutch master cylind=
er and the
>>> slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=E2=80=99s. No =
slipping of the
>>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clutch=
. Is there
>>> there are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at the transmissi=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">My pr=
oblem is just the opposite:=C2=A0 After having=C2=A0just replaced the clutc=
h and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-st=
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ee the usual egging out of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.=C2=A0 Would =
changing the bore size of either or both cylinders be a fix?</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
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Hi Michael, I  would say that you are definitely on the right track.
If you are certain that there is no air in the system then my guess is that
you are struggling with " compressability " of the clutch disc.
They are designed that way to "soften " engagement.
A slightly larger diameter master or smaller diameter slave should resolve
the issue but remember that you are dealing with area here so the change in
displaced volume is the square of the diameter change.

M

On Mon., Aug. 14, 2023, 8:48 a.m. Michael Oritt, <[email-masked]>
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> My problem is just the opposite:  After having just replaced the clutch
> and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not *disengage* until almost
> the extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my foot is depressed to the
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35=E2=80=AFPM Roger Grace <[email-masked]>=
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a
>>>> from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replaced the clutch master cylin=
der and the
>>>> slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=E2=80=99s. No=
 slipping of the
>>>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clutc=
h. Is there
>>>> any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I kno=
w
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Michael, I=C2=A0 would say that you are definitely on =
the right track.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">If you are certain that there is no=
 air in the system then my guess is that you are struggling with &quot; com=
pressability &quot; of the clutch disc.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">They a=
re designed that way to &quot;soften &quot; engagement.=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">A slightly larger diameter master or smaller diameter slave shoul=
d resolve the issue but remember that you are dealing with area here so the=
 change in displaced volume is the square of the diameter change.</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon., Aug. 14, 2023, 8:=
48 a.m. Michael Oritt, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">micha=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">My pro=
blem is just the opposite:=C2=A0 After having=C2=A0just replaced the clutch=
 and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-sty=
le:italic;font-weight:bold">disengage</u>=C2=A0until almost the extreme of =
clutch travel:=C2=A0 i.e. when my foot is depressed to the floorboard.=C2=
=A0 Though my car&#39;s clutch was originally mechanical I long ago replace=
d it with hydraulics after installing a Smitty&#39;s Five Speed Toyota tran=
smission conversion.=C2=A0 I have checked the linkage for wear and do not s=
ee the usual egging out of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.=C2=A0 Would =
changing the bore size of either or both cylinders be a fix?</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 13, 20=
23 at 10:35=E2=80=AFPM Roger Grace &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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div>Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and hydrauli=
c issues, my understanding is that &quot;clutches wear upwards&quot;</div><=
div>So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is less =
important than traffic and start/stop time driving.<br></div><div>Find a hi=
ll and note if it slips at the top of pedal movement.</div><div>rg<br></div=
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And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=E2=80=99s. No slipping of the clut=
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From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 16:33:10 +0200

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A smaller bore for the slave cylinder or a bigger bore to the master 
cylinder or both would help, however the pedal pressure will increase. 
Some drag with a new pressure plate is not uncommon and will wear away 
after a few thousand miles.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 14-8-2023 om 14:48 schreef Michael Oritt:
> My problem is just the opposite:  After having just replaced the 
> clutch and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not 
> _disengage_ until almost the extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my 
> foot is depressed to the floorboard.  Though my car's clutch was 
> originally mechanical I long ago replaced it with hydraulics after 
> installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyota transmission conversion.  I 
> have checked the linkage for wear and do not see the usual egging out 
> of holes and the hydraulics seem okay.  Would changing the bore size 
> of either or both cylinders be a fix?
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35 PM Roger Grace <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and
>     hydraulic issues, my understanding is that "clutches wear upwards"
>     So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is
>     less important than traffic and start/stop time driving.
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>     On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:05 PM Michael Salter
>     <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>         Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of
>         symptoms has me confused.
>         Am I correct in assuming that what you are experiencing is
>         that the clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing the
>         clutch pedal only a small distance this being 1 - 2 inches
>         from its normal (undepressed) position?
>
>         M
>
>         On Sun., Aug. 13, 2023, 9:46 a.m. Don via Healeys,
>         <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>             My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1
>             to 2 inches from the rest position . I’ve replaced the
>             clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And I’ve
>             bled the system . There’s. No slipping of the clutch . Car
>             has 60,000 on it with I’m sure the original clutch. Is
>             there any way to make it catch more mid way when I depress
>             the pedal?  I know there are no threaded rods on either
>             the pedal box or at the transmission end . Maybe a
>             different length rod coming out of the slave cylinder?
>                    Thanks , Don
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    <p>A smaller bore for the slave cylinder or a bigger bore to the
      master cylinder or both would help, however the pedal pressure
      will increase. Some drag with a new pressure plate is not uncommon
      and will wear away after a few thousand miles.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 14-8-2023 om 14:48 schreef Michael
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">My problem is
          just the opposite:  After having just replaced the clutch and
          pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not <u
            style="font-style:italic;font-weight:bold">disengage</u> until
          almost the extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my foot is
          depressed to the floorboard.  Though my car's clutch was
          originally mechanical I long ago replaced it with hydraulics
          after installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyota transmission
          conversion.  I have checked the linkage for wear and do not
          see the usual egging out of holes and the hydraulics seem
          okay.  Would changing the bore size of either or both
          cylinders be a fix?</div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:#3333ff">Best--Michael
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at
          10:35 PM Roger Grace &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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            <div>Assuming that there is no significant wear at the
              linkages and hydraulic issues, my understanding is that
              "clutches wear upwards"</div>
            <div>So, maybe the plate is worn after 58 years. To my mind
              mileage is less important than traffic and start/stop time
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            <div>Find a hill and note if it slips at the top of pedal
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                <div dir="auto">Thinking more about your clutch issue.
                  Your description of symptoms has me confused. 
                  <div dir="auto">Am I correct in assuming that what you
                    are experiencing is that the clutch starts to
                    release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal
                    only a small distance this being 1 - 2 inches from
                    its normal (undepressed) position?</div>
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                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">My 65 BJ8 clutch
                    catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2
                    inches from the rest position . I’ve replaced the
                    clutch master cylinder and the slave cylinder. And
                    I’ve bled the system . There’s. No slipping of the
                    clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I’m sure the
                    original clutch. Is there any way to make it catch
                    more mid way when I depress the pedal?  I know there
                    are no threaded rods on either the pedal box or at
                    the transmission end . Maybe a different length rod
                    coming out of the slave cylinder? <br>
                           Thanks , Don <br>
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Thank you Michael.

What I did not say is that the present primary and secondary clutch
hydraulic cylinders have been on the car for many years and, up until
recently, functioned just fine.  The change in pedal performance/actuation
probably "accumulated" and happened gradually in a way that I either did
not notice or I felt to be acceptable, and only when I drove the car after
a few months' inactivity did I feel there was a problem.  Since the clutch
itself had a good many miles and years on it I thought I would start there
and though installing a new pilot bearing, disc and (annular) pressure
plate brought the pedal up a bit it, full actuation/disengagement from the
flywheel is still too close to the floor for my liking.

I'll probably give the system another good bleed and depending upon the
outcome I may be following up on your suggestions.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:09=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmai=
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wrote:

> If you are certain that there is no air in the system then my guess is
> that you are struggling with " compressability " of the clutch disc.
> A slightly larger diameter master or smaller diameter slave should resolv=
e
> the issue but remember that you are dealing with area here so the change =
in
> On Mon., Aug. 14, 2023, 8:48 a.m. Michael Oritt, <[email-masked]=
>
> wrote:
>
>> and pressure plate in my 100 the clutch does not *disengage* until
>> almost the extreme of clutch travel:  i.e. when my foot is depressed to =
the
>> replaced it with hydraulics after installing a Smitty's Five Speed Toyot=
a
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35=E2=80=AFPM Roger Grace <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>>
>>> Assuming that there is no significant wear at the linkages and hydrauli=
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>>>> Thinking more about your clutch issue. Your description of symptoms ha=
s
>>>> clutch starts to release (slip) after depressing the clutch pedal only=
 a
>>>>> My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inche=
s
>>>>> from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replaced the clutch master cyli=
nder and the
>>>>> slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=E2=80=99s. N=
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>>>>> clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I=E2=80=99m sure the original clut=
ch. Is there
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Thank=
 you Michael.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:=
#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Wha=
t I did not say is that the present primary and secondary clutch hydraulic =
cylinders have been on the car for many years and, up until recently, funct=
ioned just fine.=C2=A0 The change in pedal performance/actuation probably &=
quot;accumulated&quot; and happened gradually in a way that I either did no=
t notice or I felt to be acceptable, and only when I drove the car after a =
few months&#39; inactivity did I feel there was a problem.=C2=A0 Since the=
=C2=A0clutch itself had a good many miles and years on it I thought I would=
 start there and though installing=C2=A0a new pilot bearing, disc and (annu=
lar) pressure plate brought the pedal up a bit it, full actuation/disengage=
ment from the flywheel is still too=C2=A0close to the floor for my liking.<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I&#39;ll probably give the sy=
stem another good bleed and depending upon the outcome I may be following u=
p on your suggestions.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#33=
33ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--=
Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:09=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"auto">Hi Michael, I=C2=A0 would say that you are definitely on the r=
ight track.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">If you are certain that there is no air =
in the system then my guess is that you are struggling with &quot; compress=
ability &quot; of the clutch disc.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">They are de=
signed that way to &quot;soften &quot; engagement.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto">A slightly larger diameter master or smaller diameter slave should res=
olve the issue but remember that you are dealing with area here so the chan=
ge in displaced volume is the square of the diameter change.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon., Aug. 14, 2023, 8:48 a=
.m. Michael Oritt, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">My problem is just the opposite:=C2=A0 A=
fter having=C2=A0just replaced the clutch and pressure plate in my 100 the =
clutch does not=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-style:italic;font-weight:bold">diseng=
age</u>=C2=A0until almost the extreme of clutch travel:=C2=A0 i.e. when my =
foot is depressed to the floorboard.=C2=A0 Though my car&#39;s clutch was o=
riginally mechanical I long ago replaced it with hydraulics after installin=
g a Smitty&#39;s Five Speed Toyota transmission conversion.=C2=A0 I have ch=
ecked the linkage for wear and do not see the usual egging out of holes and=
 the hydraulics seem okay.=C2=A0 Would changing the bore size of either or =
both cylinders be a fix?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51=
,51,255)">Best--Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 10:35=E2=80=AFPM=
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e is no significant wear at the linkages and hydraulic issues, my understan=
ding is that &quot;clutches wear upwards&quot;</div><div>So, maybe the plat=
e is worn after 58 years. To my mind mileage is less important than traffic=
 and start/stop time driving.<br></div><div>Find a hill and note if it slip=
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rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex">My 65 BJ8 clutch catches after I depress the pedal about 1 to 2 inches=
 from the rest position . I=E2=80=99ve replaced the clutch master cylinder =
and the slave cylinder. And I=E2=80=99ve bled the system . There=E2=80=99s.=
 No slipping of the clutch . Car has 60,000 on it with I=E2=80=99m sure the=
 original clutch. Is there any way to make it catch more mid way when I dep=
ress the pedal?=C2=A0 I know there are no threaded rods on either the pedal=
 box or at the transmission end . Maybe a different length rod coming out o=
f the slave cylinder? <br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks , Don <br>
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