Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil

From: Roger Grace <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 12:40:47 -0800

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Up date.
So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs
leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler too)
After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol
present.
Now have head off.
Nothing really obvious.
Suggestions where/what to look for ?
Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing.
Thoughts
rg

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From: Roger Grace <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: Glycol in oil
To: Healeys <[email-masked]>

67 BJ8
Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.
Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve cover
and near oil filler.
Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr
Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi
Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no
water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently
installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being
removed. Silly me.
So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area
that others may have encountered ?
 Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?
Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.
Remove head ?
Thoughts and ideas please
rg

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Up date.</div><div>So re-torqued head.=
 Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs leaks to coolant. Ri=
gorous oil change (cooler too)<br></div><div>After 425 mi on new oil had an=
other analysis done and pains still glycol present.</div><div>Now have head=
 off.</div><div>Nothing really obvious.</div><div>Suggestions where/what to=
 look for ?</div><div>Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing.</div>=
<div>Thoughts <br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sen=
dername" dir=3D"auto">Roger Grace</b> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Mon, Nov=
 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Glycol in oil<br>To: Healeys &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
</div><br><br><div dir=3D"auto">67 BJ8<div dir=3D"auto">Approx 15k mi on re=
built engine by PO.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Recently detected water droplets=
 and creamy oil residue inside valve cover and near oil filler.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr</div><div dir=3D"au=
to">Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi</div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no w=
ater found ... assume gets burnt off ?</div><div dir=3D"auto">Upon reflecti=
on realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery=
 reservoir and attributed the loss to air being removed. Silly me.</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely c=
ulprit area=C2=A0 that others may have encountered ?</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>=C2=A0Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?</div><div dir=3D"auto">Not su=
re how to retest though apart from another oil test.</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Remove head ?</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thoughts and ideas please</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">rg</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div>
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Pressure test the cooling system. Would have to be done with the head 
installed.

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 1/7/24 15:40, Roger Grace wrote:
>
> Up date.
> So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that 
> Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler too)
> After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and pains still 
> glycol present.
> Now have head off.
> Nothing really obvious.
> From: *Roger Grace* <[email-masked]>
> Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15 PM
> Subject: Glycol in oil
> Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve 
> cover and near oil filler.
> Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting 
> no water found ... assume gets burnt off ?
> So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit 
> area  that others may have encountered ?
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    <p>Pressure test the cooling system. Would have to be done with the
      head installed.<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/7/24 15:40, Roger Grace wrote:<br>
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        <div>Up date.</div>
        <div>So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some
          of that Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler
          too)<br>
        </div>
        <div>After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and pains
          still glycol present.</div>
        <div>Now have head off.</div>
        <div>Nothing really obvious.</div>
        <div>Suggestions where/what to look for ?</div>
        <div>Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing.</div>
        <div>Thoughts <br>
        </div>
        <div>rg<br>
        </div>
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              From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Roger Grace</b>
              <span dir="auto">&lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>
              Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15 PM<br>
              Subject: Glycol in oil<br>
              To: Healeys &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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            <div dir="auto">67 BJ8
              <div dir="auto">Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.</div>
              <div dir="auto">Recently detected water droplets and
                creamy oil residue inside valve cover and near oil
                filler.</div>
              <div dir="auto">Pains as engine and car run so well ...
                grr</div>
              <div dir="auto">Did compression test and all OK at around
                150 psi</div>
              <div dir="auto">Also had oil analysis done that confirmed
                glycol in oil. Interesting no water found ... assume
                gets burnt off ?</div>
              <div dir="auto">Upon reflection realise had been losing
                some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery
                reservoir and attributed the loss to air being removed.
                Silly me.</div>
              <div dir="auto">So need some ideas how to proceed and if
                there is a likely culprit area  that others may have
                encountered ?</div>
              <div dir="auto"> Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?</div>
              <div dir="auto">Not sure how to retest though apart from
                another oil test.</div>
              <div dir="auto">Remove head ?</div>
              <div dir="auto">Thoughts and ideas please</div>
              <div dir="auto">rg</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
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Roger,  Mike Salter and I rebuilt my BT7 engine a few years ago (I =
pulled it, Mike did the internals and I did the externals and put the =
engine back in).  We had a bad problem with serious coolant leaks right =
across  the head, and that was after the block and head had been to the =
machine shop and checked for any distortion.  It turned out to be the =
head gasket.  It was a new one that came with the Moss head gasket set, =
but it failed completely.  I paid out big dollars for an upgraded head =
gasket and the problem was cured.  I have about 3500 miles on it now.

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Regards, Mirek

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From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Roger Grace
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 3:41 PM
To: Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil

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Up date.

So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that =
Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler too)

After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol =
present.

Now have head off.

Nothing really obvious.

Thoughts=20

rg

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Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: Glycol in oil

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67 BJ8

Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve =
cover and near oil filler.

Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no =
water found ... assume gets burnt off ?

Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently =
installed a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being =
removed. Silly me.

So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area  =
that others may have encountered ?

Remove head ?

rg

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rebuilt my BT7 engine a few years ago (I pulled it, Mike did the =
internals and I did the externals and put the engine back in).=C2=A0 We =
had a bad problem with serious coolant leaks right across=C2=A0 the =
head, and that was after the block and head had been to the machine shop =
and checked for any distortion.=C2=A0 It turned out to be the head =
gasket.=C2=A0 It was a new one that came with the Moss head gasket set, =
but it failed completely.=C2=A0 I paid out big dollars for an upgraded =
head gasket and the problem was cured.=C2=A0 I have about 3500 miles on =
it now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards, =
Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger =
Grace<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 3:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Fwd: =
Glycol in oil<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Up date.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added =
some of that Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler =
too)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>After 425 mi on new =
oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol =
present.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Now have head =
off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nothing really =
obvious.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Suggestions =
where/what to look for ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Plan to take head to a machine shop for =
truing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thoughts =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: =
<b>Roger Grace</b> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Date: =
Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Glycol in oil<br>To: =
Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<o:p=
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>67 BJ8<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Approx =
15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil =
residue inside valve cover and near oil =
filler.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Pains as engine =
and car run so well ... grr<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Did compression test and all OK at around 150 =
psi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Also had oil analysis =
done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found ... assume =
gets burnt off ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Upon =
reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently installed =
a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being removed. Silly =
me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>So need some ideas how =
to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area&nbsp; that others may =
have encountered ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;Maybe start by re torqueing the head =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Not sure how to retest =
though apart from another oil test.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Remove head ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thoughts and ideas please<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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Hi Roger, If your current fix fails, no need to despair.  After a 10 =
year chase to stop oil from getting into the coolant in my BN7 using =
multiple head gaskets and the Southern Carburetor drilling kit, etc., =
Hardblok
https://www.hardblok.com/
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did the job perfectly. Attached is an image of where my builder put it, =
rolling the block to place the product where he deduced the seepage came =
through. In this specific use, I do not think there was much change in =
heat transfer. It worked for years, then I sold the car but suspect it =
is still doing the job. Jim Wojcik, MN
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From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Roger Grace
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 PM
To: Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil
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Up date.
So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that =
Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler too)
After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol =
present.
Now have head off.
Nothing really obvious.
Suggestions where/what to look for ?
Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing.
Thoughts=20
rg
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Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'tab-interval:.5in;word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi Roger, If your current fix fails, no need to =
despair. <span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0</span>After a <span =
class=3DGramE>10 year</span> chase to stop oil from getting into the =
coolant in my BN7 using multiple head gaskets and the Southern =
Carburetor drilling kit, etc., Hardblok<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"https://www.hardblok.com/">https://www.hardblok.com/</a><o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'> did the job perfectly. =
Attached is an image of where my builder put it, rolling the block to =
place the product where he deduced the seepage came through. In this =
specific use, I do not think there was much change in heat transfer. It =
worked for years, then I sold the car but suspect it is still doing the =
job. Jim Wojcik, MN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri;mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri;mso-=
bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times =
New Roman"'> Healeys &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>Roger Grace<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol =
in oil<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Up date.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added =
some of that Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler =
too)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>After 425 mi on new =
oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol =
present.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Now have head =
off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Nothing really =
obvious.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Suggestions =
where/what to look for ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Plan to take head to a machine shop for =
truing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thoughts =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-outline-level:1'>---------- Forwarded =
message ---------<br>From: <b>Roger Grace</b> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Date: =
Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Glycol in oil<br>To: =
Healeys &lt;<a =
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If there's no crack in the head and the head gasket seal is ok, it's
probably time to start looking for a crack in the block.

Rick Neville aka HealeyRick

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 4:35=E2=80=AFPM Roger Grace <[email-masked]> wro=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">If there&#39;s no crack in the head and the head gasket se=
al is ok, it&#39;s probably time to start looking for a crack in the block.=
<div><br></div><div>Rick Neville aka HealeyRick</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 =
at 4:35=E2=80=AFPM Roger Grace &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ro=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>Up date.</div><div>So =
re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs leak=
s to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler too)<br></div><div>After 425 mi o=
n new oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol present.</div><d=
iv>Now have head off.</div><div>Nothing really obvious.</div><div>Suggestio=
ns where/what to look for ?</div><div>Plan to take head to a machine shop f=
or truing.</div><div>Thoughts <br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b cl=
ass=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">Roger Grace</b> <span dir=3D"auto">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: =
Glycol in oil<br>To: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=
=3D"auto">67 BJ8<div dir=3D"auto">Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto">Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residu=
e inside valve cover and near oil filler.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Pains as e=
ngine and car run so well ... grr</div><div dir=3D"auto">Did compression te=
st and all OK at around 150 psi</div><div dir=3D"auto">Also had oil analysi=
s done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found ... assume =
gets burnt off ?</div><div dir=3D"auto">Upon reflection realise had been lo=
sing some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery reservoir and attribu=
ted the loss to air being removed. Silly me.</div><div dir=3D"auto">So need=
 some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area=C2=A0 that=
 others may have encountered ?</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Maybe start by =
re torqueing the head ?</div><div dir=3D"auto">Not sure how to retest thoug=
h apart from another oil test.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Remove head ?</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Thoughts and ideas please</div><div dir=3D"auto">rg</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div>
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Any good machine shop will check the head for cracks before doing any 
other work. See what they say.

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    Any good machine shop will check the head for cracks before doing
    any other work. See what they say.<br>
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          <div>Up date.</div>
          <div>So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added
            some of that Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change
            (cooler too)<br>
          </div>
          <div>After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and
            pains still glycol present.</div>
          <div>Now have head off.</div>
          <div>Nothing really obvious.</div>
          <div>Suggestions where/what to look for ?</div>
          <div>Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing.</div>
          <div>Thoughts <br>
          </div>
          <div>rg<br>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded
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                From: <b class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Roger
                  Grace</b> <span dir="auto">&lt;<a
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                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>
                Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15 PM<br>
                Subject: Glycol in oil<br>
                To: Healeys &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
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              <br>
              <br>
              <div dir="auto">67 BJ8
                <div dir="auto">Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.</div>
                <div dir="auto">Recently detected water droplets and
                  creamy oil residue inside valve cover and near oil
                  filler.</div>
                <div dir="auto">Pains as engine and car run so well ...
                  grr</div>
                <div dir="auto">Did compression test and all OK at
                  around 150 psi</div>
                <div dir="auto">Also had oil analysis done that
                  confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found
                  ... assume gets burnt off ?</div>
                <div dir="auto">Upon reflection realise had been losing
                  some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery
                  reservoir and attributed the loss to air being
                  removed. Silly me.</div>
                <div dir="auto">So need some ideas how to proceed and if
                  there is a likely culprit area  that others may have
                  encountered ?</div>
                <div dir="auto"> Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?</div>
                <div dir="auto">Not sure how to retest though apart from
                  another oil test.</div>
                <div dir="auto">Remove head ?</div>
                <div dir="auto">Thoughts and ideas please</div>
                <div dir="auto">rg</div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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I agree with Bill.

I installed the DW steel gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago when
I also put in upgraded internals and the DW alloy head, etc. I have not
removed or retorqued the head since then.  In the last year or so a very
slight coolant weepage (I can't even call it a leakage) developed on the
right side of the head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 when
starting from cold, which quickly disappeared on warm-up.

My main complaining symptom is a reduction in oil pressure both hot and
cold from about 65/30 psi at warm revs and idle to no more than 40/15 psi
commensurate. Though I renewed the oil pump and replaced the few bearings I
could with the engine in situ a few years back this was of little effect.
I know there are those who say that oil pressure is overrated and our
Healeys can live happily without it but I'm a bit on the compulsive side
and can't keep my eyes on the road and off that needle, so off with her
head, and more as over the winter the engine is being disassembled and line
bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and refreshed as necessary,
etc.

Though the DW steel gasket is supposedly reusable I am, with reckless
abandon, going to install the unused spare steel head gasket which has lain
under the boot Armacord in its original packaging for the last 20 years.  I
feel the car has given me good and reliable service over these many miles
and has earned the right to demand this splurge on my part.

More news as it happens--Michael Oritt

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>=
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> I recommend the MLS gasket that Denis Welch supplies. It requires a very
> smooth finish, but if you can get that it provides a very good seal. I ha=
d
> the chronic problem of a leaky head gasket on my 100 And their gasket
> solved it.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> on behalf of
> [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 7, 2024 10:41 PM
> *To:* 'Roger Grace' <[email-masked]>; 'Healeys' <
> [email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil
>
>
> Hi Roger, If your current fix fails, no need to despair.  After a 10 year
> chase to stop oil from getting into the coolant in my BN7 using multiple
> head gaskets and the Southern Carburetor drilling kit, etc., Hardblok
>
> did the job perfectly. Attached is an image of where my builder put it,
> rolling the block to place the product where he deduced the seepage came
> through. In this specific use, I do not think there was much change in he=
at
> transfer. It worked for years, then I sold the car but suspect it is stil=
l
> doing the job. Jim Wojcik, MN
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Roger
> Grace
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 PM
> *To:* Healeys <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil
>
>
>
>
>
> Up date.
>
r
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I agr=
ee with Bill.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:=
#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I i=
nstalled the DW steel gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago when I a=
lso put in upgraded internals and the DW alloy head,=C2=A0etc. I have not r=
emoved or retorqued the head since then.=C2=A0 In the last year or so a ver=
y slight coolant weepage (I can&#39;t even call it a leakage) developed on =
the right side of the head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 when start=
ing=C2=A0from cold, which quickly disappeared on warm-up.</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D""><font color=3D"#3333ff">My main complaining=C2=A0symptom =
is a reduction in oil pressure both hot and cold from about 65/30 psi at wa=
rm revs and idle to no more than 40/15 psi commensurate. Though I renewed t=
he oil pump and replaced the few bearings I could with the engine in situ a=
 few years back this was of little effect.=C2=A0 I know=C2=A0there are thos=
e who say that oil pressure is overrated and our Healeys can live happily w=
ithout it but I&#39;m a bit on the compulsive side and can&#39;t keep my ey=
es on the road and off that needle, so off with her head, and more as o</fo=
nt><font color=3D"#0000ff">ver the winter the engine is being disassembled =
and line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and refreshed as nece=
ssary, etc.</font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font color=
=3D"#0000ff"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#=
3333ff">Though=C2=A0the DW steel gasket is supposedly reusable=C2=A0I am, w=
ith reckless abandon, going to install the unused spare steel head gasket w=
hich has lain under the boot Armacord in its original packaging for the las=
t 20 years.=C2=A0 I feel the car has given me good and reliable service ove=
r these many miles and has earned the right to demand this splurge on my pa=
rt.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">More news as it happens--=
Michael Oritt</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENC=
E &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit;color:inherit;backgroun=
d-color:transparent">
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit;color:inherit;backgroun=
d-color:transparent">
I recommend the MLS gasket that Denis Welch supplies. It requires a very sm=
ooth finish, but if you can get that it provides a very good seal. I had th=
e chronic problem of a leaky head gasket on my 100 And their gasket solved =
it.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit;color:inherit;backgroun=
d-color:transparent">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:inherit;font-size:inherit;color:inherit;backgroun=
d-color:transparent">
Bill Lawrence</div>
<hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id=3D"m_-6423530773537065730divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"C=
alibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 10:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> &#39;Roger Grace&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; &#39;Healeys&#39; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>

<div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;">
<div>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Roger, If your current fix fails=
, no need to despair.
<span>=C2=A0</span>After a <span>10 year</span> chase to stop oil from gett=
ing into the coolant in my BN7 using multiple head gaskets and the Southern=
 Carburetor drilling kit, etc., Hardblok</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href=3D"https://www.hardblok.com=
/" target=3D"_blank">https://www.hardblok.com/</a></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">did the job perfectly. Attached is =
an image of where my builder put it, rolling the block to place the product=
 where he deduced the seepage came through. In this specific use, I do not =
think there was much
 change in heat transfer. It worked for years, then I sold the car but susp=
ect it is still doing the job. Jim Wojcik, MN</span></p>
<p><span>=C2=A0</span></p>
<p><span>=C2=A0</span></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bo=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Grace<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil</span></p>
</div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Up date.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barr=
s leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler too)</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>After 425 mi on new oil had another analysis done and pains still glycol=
 present.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Now have head off.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Nothing really obvious.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Suggestions where/what to look for ?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Thoughts </p>
</div>
<div>
<p>rg</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p>---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>
From: <b>Roger Grace</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>
Subject: Glycol in oil<br>
To: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;</p>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=C2=A0</p>
<div>
<p>67 BJ8</p>
<div>
<p>Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valve cov=
er and near oil filler.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Pains as engine and car run so well ... grr</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Did compression test and all OK at around 150 psi</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Also had oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no =
water found ... assume gets burnt off ?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Upon reflection realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently inst=
alled a recovery reservoir and attributed the loss to air being removed. Si=
lly me.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a likely culprit area=
=C2=A0 that others may have encountered ?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>=C2=A0Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Remove head ?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>Thoughts and ideas please</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>rg</p>
</div>
<div>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

s/[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://auto=
x.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/[email-masked]</a><br>
<br>
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Michael =E2=80=93 is it possible you are losing oil pressure from the =
rocker shaft?

=20

It is very easy to check =E2=80=93 just warm up the car and then run it =
with the rocker cover off. The oil should seep out of the rockers, but a =
worn shaft will spray instead of seep.  I once had one that shot oil far =
enough up to hit the underside of the bonnet!

=20

-----------------------------------

All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Michael =
Oritt
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2024 7:16 AM
To: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>
Cc: Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil

=20

I agree with Bill. =20

=20

I installed the DW steel gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago =
when I also put in upgraded internals and the DW alloy head, etc. I have =
not removed or retorqued the head since then.  In the last year or so a =
very slight coolant weepage (I can't even call it a leakage) developed =
on the right side of the head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 when =
starting from cold, which quickly disappeared on warm-up.

=20

My main complaining symptom is a reduction in oil pressure both hot and =
cold from about 65/30 psi at warm revs and idle to no more than 40/15 =
psi commensurate. Though I renewed the oil pump and replaced the few =
bearings I could with the engine in situ a few years back this was of =
little effect.  I know there are those who say that oil pressure is =
overrated and our Healeys can live happily without it but I'm a bit on =
the compulsive side and can't keep my eyes on the road and off that =
needle, so off with her head, and more as over the winter the engine is =
being disassembled and line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked =
and refreshed as necessary, etc.

=20

Though the DW steel gasket is supposedly reusable I am, with reckless =
abandon, going to install the unused spare steel head gasket which has =
lain under the boot Armacord in its original packaging for the last 20 =
years.  I feel the car has given me good and reliable service over these =
many miles and has earned the right to demand this splurge on my part.

=20

=20

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE =

I recommend the MLS gasket that Denis Welch supplies. It requires a very =
smooth finish, but if you can get that it provides a very good seal. I =
had the chronic problem of a leaky head gasket on my 100 And their =
gasket solved it.=20

=20

Bill Lawrence

  _____ =20

From: Healeys <[email-masked] =
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil=20

=20

=20

=20

=20

From: Healeys <[email-masked] =
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 PM
Subject: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil

=20

=20

Up date.

Now have head off.

Nothing really obvious.

Thoughts=20

rg

=20

=20

=20

---------- Forwarded message ---------
Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: Glycol in oil

=20

67 BJ8

Remove head ?

rg

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Michael =E2=80=93 is it =
possible you are losing oil pressure from the rocker =
shaft?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It is very easy to check =E2=80=93 just warm up the =
car and then run it with the rocker cover off. The oil should seep out =
of the rockers, but a worn shaft will spray instead of seep.=C2=A0 I =
once had one that shot oil far enough up to hit the underside of the =
bonnet!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>-----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael =
Oritt<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 8, 2024 7:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fwd: =
Glycol in oil<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I agree with =
Bill.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I installed the DW steel =
gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago when I also put in upgraded =
internals and the DW alloy head,&nbsp;etc. I have not removed or =
retorqued the head since then.&nbsp; In the last year or so a very =
slight coolant weepage (I can't even call it a leakage) developed on the =
right side of the head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 when =
starting&nbsp;from cold, which quickly disappeared on =
warm-up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>My main =
complaining&nbsp;symptom is a reduction in oil pressure both hot and =
cold from about 65/30 psi at warm revs and idle to no more than 40/15 =
psi commensurate. Though I renewed the oil pump and replaced the few =
bearings I could with the engine in situ a few years back this was of =
little effect.&nbsp; I know&nbsp;there are those who say that oil =
pressure is overrated and our Healeys can live happily without it but =
I'm a bit on the compulsive side and can't keep my eyes on the road and =
off that needle, so off with her head, and more as o</span><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>ver the winter the engine is being disassembled and =
line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and refreshed as =
necessary, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Though&nbsp;the DW steel =
gasket is supposedly reusable&nbsp;I am, with reckless abandon, going to =
install the unused spare steel head gasket which has lain under the boot =
Armacord in its original packaging for the last 20 years.&nbsp; I feel =
the car has given me good and reliable service over these many miles and =
has earned the right to demand this splurge on my =
part.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>More news as it =
happens--Michael Oritt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"inherit",serif'>I =
recommend the MLS gasket that Denis Welch supplies. It requires a very =
smooth finish, but if you can get that it provides a very good seal. I =
had the chronic problem of a leaky head gasket on my 100 And their =
gasket solved it.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"inherit",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"inherit",serif'>Bill =
Lawrence<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3D"m_-6423530773537065730divRplyFwdMsg"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
January 7, 2024 10:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Roger Grace' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'Healeys' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi Roger, If your current fix fails, no need to =
despair. &nbsp;After a 10 year chase to stop oil from getting into the =
coolant in my BN7 using multiple head gaskets and the Southern =
Carburetor drilling kit, etc., Hardblok</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a href=3D"https://www.hardblok.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.hardblok.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>did the job perfectly. Attached is an image of =
where my builder put it, rolling the block to place the product where he =
deduced the seepage came through. In this specific use, I do not think =
there was much change in heat transfer. It worked for years, then I sold =
the car but suspect it is still doing the job. Jim Wojcik, =
MN</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><=
div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'><p><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Roger Grace<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in =
oil<o:p></o:p></p></div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p>Up date.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>So =
re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs =
leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler =
too)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>After 425 mi on new oil had another =
analysis done and pains still glycol =
present.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Now have head =
off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Nothing really =
obvious.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Suggestions where/what to look for =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Plan to take head to a machine shop for =
truing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Thoughts =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><div><div><p>---------- Forwarded message =
---------<br>From: <b>Roger Grace</b> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 =
at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Glycol in oil<br>To: Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p>67 =
BJ8<o:p></o:p></p><div><p>Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by =
PO.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Recently detected water droplets and =
creamy oil residue inside valve cover and near oil =
filler.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Pains as engine and car run so well =
... grr<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Did compression test and all OK at =
around 150 psi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Also had oil analysis done =
that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found ... assume gets =
burnt off ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Upon reflection realise had been =
losing some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery reservoir and =
attributed the loss to air being removed. Silly =
me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>So need some ideas how to proceed and if =
there is a likely culprit area&nbsp; that others may have encountered =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;Maybe start by re torqueing the head =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Not sure how to retest though apart from =
another oil test.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Remove head =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Thoughts and ideas =
please<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
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Al--

No, not a lot of oil is being pumped out of the rocker shaft.
I suspect bottom end wear.

Best--Michael

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Michael =E2=80=93 is it possible you are losing oil pressure from the roc=
ker shaft?
>
>
>
> It is very easy to check =E2=80=93 just warm up the car and then run it w=
ith the
> rocker cover off. The oil should seep out of the rockers, but a worn shaf=
t
> will spray instead of seep.  I once had one that shot oil far enough up t=
o
> hit the underside of the bonnet!
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Oritt
> *Sent:* Monday, January 8, 2024 7:16 AM
> *To:* WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Healeys <[email-masked]>
> I installed the DW steel gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago whe=
n
> commensurate. Though I renewed the oil pump and replaced the few bearings=
 I
> head, and more as over the winter the engine is being disassembled and
> line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and refreshed as
> necessary, etc.
>
>
>
> abandon, going to install the unused spare steel head gasket which has la=
in
> under the boot Armacord in its original packaging for the last 20 years. =
 I
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]=
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> Thoughts and ideas please

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Al--<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">No, not a lot of oil is being=
 pumped out of the rocker shaft.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"color:#3333ff">I suspect bottom end wear.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"c=
olor:#3333ff">Best--Michael</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=
=3D"msg-9078256534154677133"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"overflow-wrap: br=
eak-word;"><div class=3D"m_-9078256534154677133WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Michael =E2=80=93 is it possible you are losing oil pressure from =
the rocker shaft?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is very easy to check =E2=80=93 just warm =
up the car and then run it with the rocker cover off. The oil should seep o=
ut of the rockers, but a worn shaft will spray instead of seep.=C2=A0 I onc=
e had one that shot oil far enough up to hit the underside of the bonnet!<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">-----------------------------------<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">All the best,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Al Fuller<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;bord=
er-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);paddi=
ng:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Oritt<br><b>Sent:</b> Mond=
ay, January 8, 2024 7:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc=
:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Gly=
col in oil<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"=
>I agree with Bill.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,25=
5)">I installed the DW steel gasket in about 2003 and 60K so or miles ago w=
hen I also put in upgraded internals and the DW alloy head,=C2=A0etc. I hav=
e not removed or retorqued the head since then.=C2=A0 In the last year or s=
o a very slight coolant weepage (I can&#39;t even call it a leakage) develo=
ped on the right side of the head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 whe=
n starting=C2=A0from cold, which quickly disappeared on warm-up.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51=
,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">My main complaining=C2=A0symptom is a =
reduction in oil pressure both hot and cold from about 65/30 psi at warm re=
vs and idle to no more than 40/15 psi commensurate. Though I renewed the oi=
l pump and replaced the few bearings I could with the engine in situ a few =
years back this was of little effect.=C2=A0 I know=C2=A0there are those who=
 say that oil pressure is overrated and our Healeys can live happily withou=
t it but I&#39;m a bit on the compulsive side and can&#39;t keep my eyes on=
 the road and off that needle, so off with her head, and more as o</span><s=
pan style=3D"color:blue">ver the winter the engine is being disassembled an=
d line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and refreshed as necess=
ary, etc.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(51,51,255)">Though=C2=A0the DW steel gasket is supposedly reusable=C2=A0I =
am, with reckless abandon, going to install the unused spare steel head gas=
ket which has lain under the boot Armacord in its original packaging for th=
e last 20 years.=C2=A0 I feel the car has given me good and reliable servic=
e over these many miles and has earned the right to demand this splurge on =
my part.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">More news as it hap=
pens--Michael Oritt<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 8,=
 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ynotink@m=
sn.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:n=
one;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-l=
eft:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif">I recommend the MLS gasket that Den=
is Welch supplies. It requires a very smooth finish, but if you can get tha=
t it provides a very good seal. I had the chronic problem of a leaky head g=
asket on my 100 And their gasket solved it.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;inherit&q=
uot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;inherit&quot;,serif">Bill Lawrence<u></u=
><u></u></span></p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D=
"text-align:center"><hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center"></div><di=
v id=3D"m_-9078256534154677133m_-6423530773537065730divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=
=3D"color:black"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jvwojcik@comcast.=
net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jvwoj=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 10:41 PM<br=
><b>To:</b> &#39;Roger Grace&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; &#39;Healeys&#39; &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil</span> <u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div=
><div><div><p><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Roger, If your curren=
t fix fails, no need to despair.=C2=A0 After a 10 year chase to stop oil fr=
om getting into the coolant in my BN7 using multiple head gaskets and the S=
outhern Carburetor drilling kit, etc., Hardblok</span><u></u><u></u></p><p>=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href=3D"https://www.hardblok.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.hardblok.com/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p>=
<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)">did the job perfectly. Attached is an imag=
e of where my builder put it, rolling the block to place the product where =
he deduced the seepage came through. In this specific use, I do not think t=
here was much change in heat transfer. It worked for years, then I sold the=
 car but suspect it is still doing the job. Jim Wojcik, MN</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div style=3D=
"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid=
 rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounce=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Grace<br><b>Sent:</b> Su=
nday, January 7, 2024 2:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil<u></u><u></u></p></div><p>=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Up =
date.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>So re-torqued head. Only one nut moved=
 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (=
cooler too)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>After 425 mi on new oil had anot=
her analysis done and pains still glycol present.<u></u><u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p>Now have head off.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Nothing really obvi=
ous.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Suggestions where/what to look for ?<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Plan to take head to a machine shop for truing=
.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Thoughts <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>r=
g<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div>=
<div><p>---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b>Roger Grace</b> =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.=
net</a>&gt;<br>Date: Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:15=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Glyco=
l in oil<br>To: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></p></div><p style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p>67 BJ8<u></u><u></u=
></p><div><p>Approx 15k mi on rebuilt engine by PO.<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<div><p>Recently detected water droplets and creamy oil residue inside valv=
e cover and near oil filler.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Pains as engine=
 and car run so well ... grr<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Did compression=
 test and all OK at around 150 psi<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Also had =
oil analysis done that confirmed glycol in oil. Interesting no water found =
... assume gets burnt off ?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Upon reflection =
realise had been losing some coolant. Have recently installed a recovery re=
servoir and attributed the loss to air being removed. Silly me.<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p>So need some ideas how to proceed and if there is a lik=
ely culprit area=C2=A0 that others may have encountered ?<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p>=C2=A0Maybe start by re torqueing the head ?<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p>Not sure how to retest though apart from another oil test.<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>Remove head ?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>=
Thoughts and ideas please<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p>rg<u></u><u></u></=
p></div><div><p>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div=
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Well, yeah =E2=80=93 big-end bearing wear would do it, too!  Good luck =
on locating the source.

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All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

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From: Michael Oritt <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2024 10:57 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: WILLIAM B LAWRENCE <[email-masked]>; Healeys =
<[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil

=20

Al--

=20

=20

Best--Michael

=20

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM <[email-masked] =

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All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

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I agree with Bill. =20

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Bill Lawrence

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Up date.

Now have head off.

Nothing really obvious.

Thoughts=20

rg

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67 BJ8

Remove head ?

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Well, yeah =E2=80=93 big-end =
bearing wear would do it, too!=C2=A0 Good luck on locating the =
source.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>-----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Michael Oritt =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 8, 2024 =
10:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> WILLIAM B =
LAWRENCE &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fwd: =
Glycol in oil<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Al--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>No, not a lot of oil is =
being pumped out of the rocker shaft.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I suspect bottom end =
wear.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 1:23=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Michael =
=E2=80=93 is it possible you are losing oil pressure from the rocker =
shaft?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It is very =
easy to check =E2=80=93 just warm up the car and then run it with the =
rocker cover off. The oil should seep out of the rockers, but a worn =
shaft will spray instead of seep.&nbsp; I once had one that shot oil far =
enough up to hit the underside of the bonnet!<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>------------=
-----------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Michael Oritt<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 8, 2024 7:16 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I agree with =
Bill.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I installed the DW steel gasket in about 2003 =
and 60K so or miles ago when I also put in upgraded internals and the DW =
alloy head,&nbsp;etc. I have not removed or retorqued the head since =
then.&nbsp; In the last year or so a very slight coolant weepage (I =
can't even call it a leakage) developed on the right side of the =
head/block joint between cylinders 2 and 3 when starting&nbsp;from cold, =
which quickly disappeared on warm-up.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>My main complaining&nbsp;symptom is a reduction =
in oil pressure both hot and cold from about 65/30 psi at warm revs and =
idle to no more than 40/15 psi commensurate. Though I renewed the oil =
pump and replaced the few bearings I could with the engine in situ a few =
years back this was of little effect.&nbsp; I know&nbsp;there are those =
who say that oil pressure is overrated and our Healeys can live happily =
without it but I'm a bit on the compulsive side and can't keep my eyes =
on the road and off that needle, so off with her head, and more as =
o</span><span style=3D'color:blue'>ver the winter the engine is being =
disassembled and line bored, the crank and internals crack-checked and =
refreshed as necessary, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Though&nbsp;the DW steel gasket is supposedly =
reusable&nbsp;I am, with reckless abandon, going to install the unused =
spare steel head gasket which has lain under the boot Armacord in its =
original packaging for the last 20 years.&nbsp; I feel the car has given =
me good and reliable service over these many miles and has earned the =
right to demand this splurge on my =
part.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>More news as it happens--Michael =
Oritt</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Jan =
8, 2024 at 6:38=E2=80=AFAM WILLIAM B LAWRENCE &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"inherit",serif'>I recommend the MLS gasket that =
Denis Welch supplies. It requires a very smooth finish, but if you can =
get that it provides a very good seal. I had the chronic problem of a =
leaky head gasket on my 100 And their gasket solved =
it.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"inherit",serif'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"inherit",serif'>Bill =
Lawrence</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div =
id=3D"m_-9078256534154677133m_-6423530773537065730divRplyFwdMsg"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'color:black'> =
Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, =
January 7, 2024 10:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Roger Grace' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; 'Healeys' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in oil</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi =
Roger, If your current fix fails, no need to despair.&nbsp; After a 10 =
year chase to stop oil from getting into the coolant in my BN7 using =
multiple head gaskets and the Southern Carburetor drilling kit, etc., =
Hardblok</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a =
href=3D"https://www.hardblok.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.hardblok.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><=
span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>did the job perfectly. Attached is an image of =
where my builder put it, rolling the block to place the product where he =
deduced the seepage came through. In this specific use, I do not think =
there was much change in heat transfer. It worked for years, then I sold =
the car but suspect it is still doing the job. Jim Wojcik, =
MN</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><=
div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'><p><b>From:</b> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Roger Grace<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 7, 2024 2:41 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Healeys] Fwd: Glycol in =
oil<o:p></o:p></p></div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p>Up date.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>So =
re-torqued head. Only one nut moved 3/4 turn. Added some of that Barrs =
leaks to coolant. Rigorous oil change (cooler =
too)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>After 425 mi on new oil had another =
analysis done and pains still glycol =
present.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Now have head =
off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Nothing really =
obvious.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Suggestions where/what to look for =
?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Plan to take head to a machine shop for =
truing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>Thoughts =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>rg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p=
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