Subject: Re: [Healeys] Squealy Brakes

From: Harold Manifold <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:42:48 -0700

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Did the rotors ever have a light layer of surface rust? This can happen if
the car sits too long in an unheated area. When you start driving the car
again the rust layer imbeds itself into the pads. My experience is once the
rust gets embedded in the pads there isn't much you can do to remedy the
situation other than change to new pads.

Harold

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 5:32=E2=80=AFPM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Hi all,  I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 the last year o=
r
> so.  I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the squealing is worse, i=
t
> seems.  I don=E2=80=99t mind heads turning when I pull up at a light, but=
 not
> because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.
>
>
>
> I put new pads in a few years back and installed the anti-squeal shims,
> but they did not work.   Today I pulled out the pads, tossed the shims an=
d
> lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate of glass, jus=
t
> to take the sheen of the friction side and ensure the backs were flat.  I
> took a file and gently broke the leading and trailing edges of the fricti=
on
> material, as the edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching.
> I then cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner.   I also lightly used
> emery on the disks to remove any glaze.   I had gone to my local auto par=
ts
> supplier to see if  they had any anti-squeal shims but they don=E2=80=99t=
 sell them
> separately from the pads.  However, they highly recommended a Permatex
> product with the promising name =E2=80=9CDisc Brake Quiet=E2=80=9D [sic].=
   This I applied
> per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads.  I blew the du=
st
> out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons for
> irregularities where they bear on the pads.  The calipers were re-built
> about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as new.  Retaini=
ng
> pins were cleaned and very lightly greased.  I re-assembled everything an=
d
> went  out for a test drive.
>
>
>
> The results were staggering in that there was no difference whatsoever.
>
>
>
> So folks =E2=80=93 any good ideas out there?  I am wondering if should sw=
itch out
> the pads, but mine are barely worn and I am not sure I have record of wha=
t
> I put in, so may end up with the same make.  Other than that, I am
> flummoxed.
>
>
>
> All suggestions welcome.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Did the rotors ever have a light layer of surface rust? Th=
is can happen if the car sits too long in an unheated area. When you start =
driving the car again=C2=A0the=C2=A0rust layer imbeds itself into the pads.=
 My experience is once the rust gets embedded in the pads there isn&#39;t m=
uch you can do to remedy the situation other than change=C2=A0to new pads.<=
div><br></div><div>Harold<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Ap=
r 15, 2024 at 5:32=E2=80=AFPM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg3100240551=
510421580"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div cl=
ass=3D"m_3100240551510421580WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">Hi all,=C2=A0 I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 t=
he last year or so.=C2=A0 I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the sq=
uealing is worse, it seems.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t mind heads turning when I=
 pull up at a light, but not because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I put n=
ew pads in a few years back and installed the anti-squeal shims, but they d=
id not work. =C2=A0=C2=A0Today I pulled out the pads, tossed the shims and =
lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate of glass, just =
to take the sheen of the friction side and ensure the backs were flat.=C2=
=A0 I took a file and gently broke the leading and trailing edges of the fr=
iction material, as the edges were quite sharp and though one could be catc=
hing.=C2=A0 I then cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I =
also lightly used emery on the disks to remove any glaze. =C2=A0=C2=A0I had=
 gone to my local auto parts supplier to see if=C2=A0 they had any anti-squ=
eal shims but they don=E2=80=99t sell them separately from the pads.=C2=A0 =
However, they highly recommended a Permatex product with the promising name=
 =E2=80=9CDisc Brake Quiet=E2=80=9D [sic]. =C2=A0=C2=A0This I applied per t=
he instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads.=C2=A0 I blew the dust=
 out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons for irregula=
rities where they bear on the pads.=C2=A0 The calipers were re-built about =
5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as new.=C2=A0 Retaining =
pins were cleaned and very lightly greased.=C2=A0 I re-assembled everything=
 and went =C2=A0out for a test drive.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The results were staggering in that there wa=
s no difference whatsoever.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">So folks =E2=80=93 any good ideas out there?=C2=A0 I a=
m wondering if should switch out the pads, but mine are barely worn and I a=
m not sure I have record of what I put in, so may end up with the same make=
.=C2=A0 Other than that, I am flummoxed.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">All suggestions welcome.<u></u><u></u><=
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The anti squeal shims on my BJ8 have worked flawlessly for 20 years.  I
think the deal is there are a few different patterns of the shims and if
you get the wrong ones they don't work well.  I had another set of shims
and they squealed then I got ones with a different shape and they work
well.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The anti squeal=C2=A0shims on my BJ8 have worked flawlessl=
y for 20 years.=C2=A0 I think the deal is there are a few different pattern=
s of the shims and if you get the wrong ones they don&#39;t work well.=C2=
=A0 I had another set of shims and they squealed then I got ones with a dif=
ferent shape and they work well.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 8:44=E2=
=80=AFAM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-4636467596318336092"><div lang=
=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_-4636467596=
318336092WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi all,=
=C2=A0 I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 the last year or so=
.=C2=A0 I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the squealing is worse, =
it seems.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t mind heads turning when I pull up at a ligh=
t, but not because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I put new pads in a few y=
ears back and installed the anti-squeal shims, but they did not work. =C2=
=A0=C2=A0Today I pulled out the pads, tossed the shims and lightly rubbed t=
he pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate of glass, just to take the shee=
n of the friction side and ensure the backs were flat.=C2=A0 I took a file =
and gently broke the leading and trailing edges of the friction material, a=
s the edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching.=C2=A0 I then=
 cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I also lightly used =
emery on the disks to remove any glaze. =C2=A0=C2=A0I had gone to my local =
auto parts supplier to see if=C2=A0 they had any anti-squeal shims but they=
 don=E2=80=99t sell them separately from the pads.=C2=A0 However, they high=
ly recommended a Permatex product with the promising name =E2=80=9CDisc Bra=
ke Quiet=E2=80=9D [sic]. =C2=A0=C2=A0This I applied per the instructions, s=
praying it on the back of the pads.=C2=A0 I blew the dust out of the calipe=
rs and, as best I could, checked the pistons for irregularities where they =
bear on the pads.=C2=A0 The calipers were re-built about 5 years ago with s=
tainless pistons and they looked as new.=C2=A0 Retaining pins were cleaned =
and very lightly greased.=C2=A0 I re-assembled everything and went =C2=A0ou=
t for a test drive.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US">The results were staggering in that there was no difference wh=
atsoever.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">So folks =E2=80=93 any good ideas out there?=C2=A0 I am wondering if sho=
uld switch out the pads, but mine are barely worn and I am not sure I have =
record of what I put in, so may end up with the same make.=C2=A0 Other than=
 that, I am flummoxed.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
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From: Simon Lachlan via Healeys <[email-masked]>
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I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim pads
to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were quiet and
sometimes they really howled!

Anyhow...I asked around and did some research which led me to EBC pads. I
think there are two or three materials used...depending on what you use the
car for. "Greenstuff" is the regular road set and the ones that I use.

According to my files(!),  the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. (I've
switched to 16s which take DP2291.)

And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing
material which you cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They describe
the material as a " High performance 200MP pressure sensitive 

acrylic adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature
formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use for
general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 mil

liner.")  The instructions say:- "Cut with scissors to shape required and
apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake pads to
prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas contacted

by the hydraulic pistons or the calliper supports".

I see that I've been using EBC pads since  some years before April 2012.
They work for me.

I've attached their installation instructions which are pretty
generic.nothing much unique to their pads.

Simon

From: Healeys <[email-masked]
Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Squealy Brakes

Hi all,  I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 the last year or
so.  I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the squealing is worse, it
seems.  I don't mind heads turning when I pull up at a light, but not
because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.

I put new pads in a few years back and installed the anti-squeal shims, but
they did not work.   Today I pulled out the pads, tossed the shims and
lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate of glass, just
to take the sheen of the friction side and ensure the backs were flat.  I
took a file and gently broke the leading and trailing edges of the friction
material, as the edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching.  I
then cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner.   I also lightly used emery
on the disks to remove any glaze.   I had gone to my local auto parts
supplier to see if  they had any anti-squeal shims but they don't sell them
separately from the pads.  However, they highly recommended a Permatex
product with the promising name "Disc Brake Quiet" [sic].   This I applied
per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads.  I blew the dust
out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons for
irregularities where they bear on the pads.  The calipers were re-built
about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as new.  Retaining
pins were cleaned and very lightly greased.  I re-assembled everything and
went  out for a test drive.

So folks - any good ideas out there?  I am wondering if should switch out
the pads, but mine are barely worn and I am not sure I have record of what I
put in, so may end up with the same make.  Other than that, I am flummoxed.

All suggestions welcome.

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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I have a =
BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim pads to be =
pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were quiet and =
sometimes they really howled!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Anyhow&#8230;..I asked around and did some research which =
led me to EBC pads. I think there are two or three materials =
used&#8230;..depending on what you use the car for. =
&#8220;Greenstuff&#8221; is the regular road set and the ones that I =
use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>According =
to my files(!), &nbsp;the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. =
(I&#8217;ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman",serif'>And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC =
supply a rubber backing material which you cut to size yourself. Back to =
the files:- They describe the material as </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>a &quot; High =
performance 200MP pressure sensitive <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>acrylic =
adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature =
formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use =
for general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 =
mil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>liner.&quot;) =
&nbsp;The instructions say:- &quot;Cut with scissors to shape required =
and apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake =
pads to prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas =
contacted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>by the =
hydraulic pistons or the calliper =
supports&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I see that =
I&#8217;ve been using EBC pads since &nbsp;some years before April 2012. =
They work for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I&#8217;ve =
attached their installation instructions which are pretty =
generic&#8230;nothing much unique to their pads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Healey List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Hi all,&nbsp; I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my =
BT7 the last year or so.&nbsp; I got it out of hibernation a week ago =
and the squealing is worse, it seems.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t mind heads =
turning when I pull up at a light, but not because it sounds like I just =
ran over a cat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I put new pads in a few years back and installed the =
anti-squeal shims, but they did not work. &nbsp;&nbsp;Today I pulled out =
the pads, tossed the shims and lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of =
#120 emery on a plate of glass, just to take the sheen of the friction =
side and ensure the backs were flat. &nbsp;I took a file and gently =
broke the leading and trailing edges of the friction material, as the =
edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching. &nbsp;I then =
cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also lightly =
used emery on the disks to remove any glaze. &nbsp;&nbsp;I had gone to =
my local auto parts supplier to see if&nbsp; they had any anti-squeal =
shims but they don&#8217;t sell them separately from the pads.&nbsp; =
However, they highly recommended a Permatex product with the promising =
name &#8220;Disc Brake Quiet&#8221; [sic]. &nbsp;&nbsp;This I applied =
per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads.&nbsp; I blew =
the dust out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons =
for irregularities where they bear on the pads.&nbsp; The calipers were =
re-built about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as =
new.&nbsp; Retaining pins were cleaned and very lightly greased.&nbsp; I =
re-assembled everything and went &nbsp;out for a test =
drive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The results were staggering in that there was no difference =
whatsoever.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>So folks &#8211; any good ideas out there?&nbsp; I am =
wondering if should switch out the pads, but mine are barely worn and I =
am not sure I have record of what I put in, so may end up with the same =
make.&nbsp; Other than that, I am flummoxed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>All suggestions =
welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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I found that if I applied some Al antiseize grease on the back of the metal=
 that the pads are attached to, this stops the squeal=20

From: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "Healeys" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43:25 AM=20
Subject: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes=20

I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim pads=
 to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were quiet and=
 sometimes they really howled!=20

Anyhow=E2=80=A6..I asked around and did some research which led me to EBC p=
ads. I think there are two or three materials used=E2=80=A6..depending on w=
hat you use the car for. =E2=80=9CGreenstuff=E2=80=9D is the regular road s=
et and the ones that I use.=20

According to my files(!), the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. (I=E2=80=
=99ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)=20

And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing =
material which you cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They describe =
the material as a " High performance 200MP pressure sensitive=20

acrylic adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature fo=
rmulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use for gen=
eral industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 mil=20

liner.") The instructions say:- "Cut with scissors to shape required and ap=
ply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake pads to pre=
vent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas contacted=20

by the hydraulic pistons or the calliper supports".=20

I see that I=E2=80=99ve been using EBC pads since some years before April 2=
012. They work for me.=20

I=E2=80=99ve attached their installation instructions which are pretty gene=
ric=E2=80=A6nothing much unique to their pads.=20

Simon=20

From: Healeys < [ mailto:[email-masked] | healeys-bounces@a=
utox.team.net ] > On Behalf Of m.g.sharp--- via Healeys=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM=20
To: Healey List < [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] =
] >=20
Subject: [Healeys] Squealy Brakes=20

Hi all, I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 the last year or s=
o. I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the squealing is worse, it se=
ems. I don=E2=80=99t mind heads turning when I pull up at a light, but not =
because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.=20

I put new pads in a few years back and installed the anti-squeal shims, but=
 they did not work. Today I pulled out the pads, tossed the shims and light=
ly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate of glass, just to ta=
ke the sheen of the friction side and ensure the backs were flat. I took a =
file and gently broke the leading and trailing edges of the friction materi=
al, as the edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching. I then =
cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner. I also lightly used emery on the =
disks to remove any glaze. I had gone to my local auto parts supplier to se=
e if they had any anti-squeal shims but they don=E2=80=99t sell them separa=
tely from the pads. However, they highly recommended a Permatex product wit=
h the promising name =E2=80=9CDisc Brake Quiet=E2=80=9D [sic]. This I appli=
ed per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads. I blew the du=
st out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons for irregu=
larities where they bear on the pads. The calipers were re-built about 5 ye=
ars ago with stainless pistons and they looked as new. Retaining pins were =
cleaned and very lightly greased. I re-assembled everything and went out fo=
r a test drive.=20

The results were staggering in that there was no difference whatsoever.=20

So folks =E2=80=93 any good ideas out there? I am wondering if should switc=
h out the pads, but mine are barely worn and I am not sure I have record of=
 what I put in, so may end up with the same make. Other than that, I am flu=
mmoxed.=20

All suggestions welcome.=20

_______________________________________________=20

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys http://autox.team.net/archiv=
e/healeys=20

[email-masked]=20
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys=20

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stops the squeal</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVI=
DER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"Simon Lachlan via Hea=
leys" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Healeys" &lt;healeys@au=
tox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43:25 AM<br><b>S=
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mes new roman' , serif">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new =
roman' , serif">I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found m=
y anti-shim pads to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brake=
s were quiet and sometimes they really howled!</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">A=
nyhow=E2=80=A6..I asked around and did some research which led me to EBC pa=
ds. I think there are two or three materials used=E2=80=A6..depending on wh=
at you use the car for. =E2=80=9CGreenstuff=E2=80=9D is the regular road se=
t and the ones that I use.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">According to my files=
(!), &nbsp;the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. (I=E2=80=99ve switched t=
o 16s which take DP2291.)</span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">And, with particu=
lar regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing material which yo=
u cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They describe the material as <=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'aptos' , sans-serif">a " H=
igh performance 200MP pressure sensitive </span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainTex=
t"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'aptos' , sans-serif">acrylic =
adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature formulatio=
n, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use for general ind=
ustrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 mil</span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainT=
ext"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'aptos' , sans-serif">liner.=
") &nbsp;The instructions say:- "Cut with scissors to shape required and ap=
ply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake pads to pre=
vent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas contacted</span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'aptos' , san=
s-serif">by the hydraulic pistons or the calliper supports".</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'aptos' , s=
ans-serif">I see that I=E2=80=99ve been using EBC pads since &nbsp;some yea=
rs before April 2012. They work for me.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'aptos' , sans-serif">I=E2=80=99=
ve attached their installation instructions which are pretty generic=E2=80=
=A6nothing much unique to their pads.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'aptos' , sans-serif">Simon</span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'ap=
tos' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roman' , serif">&nbsp;</span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'times new roma=
n' , serif">&nbsp;</span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:soli=
d #e1e1e1 1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>=
m.g.sharp--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM<br=
><b>To:</b> Healey List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Squealy Brakes</span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">H=
i all,&nbsp; I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 the last year=
 or so.&nbsp; I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the squealing is w=
orse, it seems.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t mind heads turning when I pull up at =
a light, but not because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.</span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I put new pads in a few years back and installe=
d the anti-squeal shims, but they did not work. &nbsp;&nbsp;Today I pulled =
out the pads, tossed the shims and lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #1=
20 emery on a plate of glass, just to take the sheen of the friction side a=
nd ensure the backs were flat. &nbsp;I took a file and gently broke the lea=
ding and trailing edges of the friction material, as the edges were quite s=
harp and though one could be catching. &nbsp;I then cleaned the pads with b=
rake part cleaner.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also lightly used emery on the disks to re=
move any glaze. &nbsp;&nbsp;I had gone to my local auto parts supplier to s=
ee if&nbsp; they had any anti-squeal shims but they don=E2=80=99t sell them=
 separately from the pads.&nbsp; However, they highly recommended a Permate=
x product with the promising name =E2=80=9CDisc Brake Quiet=E2=80=9D [sic].=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;This I applied per the instructions, spraying it on the back o=
f the pads.&nbsp; I blew the dust out of the calipers and, as best I could,=
 checked the pistons for irregularities where they bear on the pads.&nbsp; =
The calipers were re-built about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and the=
y looked as new.&nbsp; Retaining pins were cleaned and very lightly greased=
.&nbsp; I re-assembled everything and went &nbsp;out for a test drive.</spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The results were staggering in that the=
re was no difference whatsoever.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">So=
 folks =E2=80=93 any good ideas out there?&nbsp; I am wondering if should s=
witch out the pads, but mine are barely worn and I am not sure I have recor=
d of what I put in, so may end up with the same make.&nbsp; Other than that=
, I am flummoxed.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nb=
sp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">All suggestions w=
elcome.</span></p></div><br>_______________________________________________=
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Thanks everyone, especially Simon for  the detailed response.  Someone else
has suggested my pads may be too hard and I should try changing them.

Simon, First, I am unfamiliar with "Girling 14" vs, "Girling 16".  I know
there was a change in the brakes somewhere in the later cars, so I am
assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling 14s?  Can someone confirm that?

Also,  I went on the EBC site and they don't have a listing for Austin
Healey, but do list the DP2141.  Simon if you are positive about the product
number I will go with that.

I am still weighing options before shelling out $150 for pads, but the EBC
option is looking best right now.  I also see the normal suppliers offering
anti-squeal kits, and may try those first after having a chat with them.
Our local supplier, Healey Autofarm, also restore and drive Healeys, so they
may have some thoughts.

Cheers, Mirek

From: Healeys <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Simon Lachlan
via Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM
To: Healeys <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes

Simon

All suggestions welcome.

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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks everyone, especially =
Simon for&nbsp; the detailed response.&nbsp; Someone else has suggested =
my pads may be too hard and I should try changing them.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Simon, =
First, I am unfamiliar with &#8220;Girling 14&#8221; vs, &#8220;Girling =
16&#8221;.&nbsp; I know there was a change in the brakes somewhere in =
the later cars, so I am assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling =
14s?&nbsp; Can someone confirm that?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Also, =
&nbsp;I went on the EBC site and they don&#8217;t have a listing for =
Austin Healey, but do list the DP2141.&nbsp; Simon if you are positive =
about the product number I will go with that.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am still =
weighing options before shelling out $150 for pads, but the EBC option =
is looking best right now.&nbsp; I also see the normal suppliers =
offering anti-squeal kits, and may try those first after having a chat =
with them.&nbsp; Our local supplier, Healey Autofarm, also restore and =
drive Healeys, so they may have some thoughts.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers, =
Mirek<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found =
my anti-shim pads to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the =
brakes were quiet and sometimes they really =
howled!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Anyhow&#8230;..I asked around and did some research which =
led me to EBC pads. I think there are two or three materials =
used&#8230;..depending on what you use the car for. =
&#8220;Greenstuff&#8221; is the regular road set and the ones that I =
use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>According =
to my files(!), &nbsp;the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. =
(I&#8217;ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>And, with =
particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing =
material which you cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They =
describe the material as </span><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>a &quot; High =
performance 200MP pressure sensitive <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>acrylic =
adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature =
formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use =
for general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 =
mil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>liner.&quot;) =
&nbsp;The instructions say:- &quot;Cut with scissors to shape required =
and apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake =
pads to prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas =
contacted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>by the =
hydraulic pistons or the calliper =
supports&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I =
see that I&#8217;ve been using EBC pads since &nbsp;some years before =
April 2012. They work for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I&#8217;ve =
attached their installation instructions which are pretty =
generic&#8230;nothing much unique to their pads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p=
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p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:58:11 +0100

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>> Yes, a stock BT7 has 14s. Just that I swapped to 16s which are bigger.

>> Yes, it's still DP2141. Here's a page:-

EBC Brakes | EBC Brake Pads | EBC Brake Discs | EBC Brake Shop
<https://www.ebcbrakeshop.co.uk/info-brake-parts?make=AUSTIN+HEALEY&year=196
1&model=3000&engineSelect=2.9&engine=2.9&bhp=> 

No, you plainly don't want the whole kit but it demonstrates that the pads
are still out there and still listed as DP2141.

See Ahead4Healeys:-

KEVLAR BRAKE PADS - ROAD/FAST ROAD (ahead4healeys.co.uk)
<https://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/KEVLAR-BRAKE-PADS---ROAD-FAST-ROAD-id1174.a
spx>    They use their catalogue number but you could email them.? Seems
cheaper than $150:00.

Simon

Cheers, Mirek

 

Simon

All suggestions welcome.

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Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Thanks everyone, especially Simon for&nbsp; the detailed =
response.&nbsp; Someone else has suggested my pads may be too hard and I =
should try changing them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Simon, First, I am unfamiliar with =
&#8220;Girling 14&#8221; vs, &#8220;Girling 16&#8221;.&nbsp; I know =
there was a change in the brakes somewhere in the later cars, so I am =
assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling 14s?&nbsp; Can someone =
confirm that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; Yes, a stock BT7 has 14s. Just that I swapped to =
16s which are bigger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Also, &nbsp;I went on the EBC site and they don&#8217;t =
have a listing for Austin Healey, but do list the DP2141.&nbsp; Simon if =
you are positive about the product number I will go with =
that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
Yes, it&#8217;s still DP2141. Here&#8217;s a =
page:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.ebcbrakeshop.co.uk/info-brake-parts?make=3DAUSTIN+HEA=
LEY&amp;year=3D1961&amp;model=3D3000&amp;engineSelect=3D2.9&amp;engine=3D=
2.9&amp;bhp=3D">EBC Brakes | EBC Brake Pads | EBC Brake Discs | EBC =
Brake Shop</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>No, you plainly =
don&#8217;t want the whole kit but it demonstrates that the pads are =
still out there and still listed as DP2141.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>See =
Ahead4Healeys:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/KEVLAR-BRAKE-PADS---ROAD-FAST-ROA=
D-id1174.aspx">KEVLAR BRAKE PADS - ROAD/FAST ROAD =
(ahead4healeys.co.uk)</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; They use their catalogue number =
but you could email them&#8230;? Seems cheaper than =
$150:00.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Simon<span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I am still weighing options before shelling out $150 for =
pads, but the EBC option is looking best right now.&nbsp; I also see the =
normal suppliers offering anti-squeal kits, and may try those first =
after having a chat with them.&nbsp; Our local supplier, Healey =
Autofarm, also restore and drive Healeys, so they may have some =
thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Cheers, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I have a =
BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim pads to be =
pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were quiet and =
sometimes they really howled!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Anyhow&#8230;..I asked around and did some research which =
led me to EBC pads. I think there are two or three materials =
used&#8230;..depending on what you use the car for. =
&#8220;Greenstuff&#8221; is the regular road set and the ones that I =
use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>According =
to my files(!), &nbsp;the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. =
(I&#8217;ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman",serif'>And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC =
supply a rubber backing material which you cut to size yourself. Back to =
the files:- They describe the material as </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>a &quot; High =
performance 200MP pressure sensitive <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>acrylic =
adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature =
formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use =
for general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 =
mil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>liner.&quot;) =
&nbsp;The instructions say:- &quot;Cut with scissors to shape required =
and apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake =
pads to prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas =
contacted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>by the =
hydraulic pistons or the calliper =
supports&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I see that =
I&#8217;ve been using EBC pads since &nbsp;some years before April 2012. =
They work for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I&#8217;ve =
attached their installation instructions which are pretty =
generic&#8230;nothing much unique to their pads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p=
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Hey Simon,  I am getting mixed messages on which pad to use.   It is problem
when the suppliers use their own part numbers and it is hard to tell what
the equivalent EBC number is.  Ahead4Healeys and my supplier sell the same
parts and have the same part numbers.  The confusion is that:

1.	The EBC part number DP2141 that you recommend is about $150 from
various suppliers.

>> Again, per my previous, seems that you can get them cheaper direct from
AH4H

2.	My Healey supplier sells several EBC pads, using their own part
numbers (same as Ahead4 Healeys, i.e. I can't determine the EBC part
number), one which is $157 and another that is $238.

>> They're AH4H's agents? They would use their catalogue numbers. However,
if they can't make it clear to you which one is DP2141, they are either
taking you for a mug or they're just lazy and/or incompetent.

3.	Logic tells me that based on price the $157 pads are the same as the
$150 EBC pad DP2141

>> Agreed but my comments above remain valid.

4.	My supplier is telling me the $157 pads are for a competition
caliper and that I need the $238 pads.

>> Get a better supplier. Ring AH4H. Ask for Keith Bates, one of the
directors. Nice chap.knows the business backwards..practical/hands-on ie not
just some wretched money cruncher.

There is some thing wrong here but before I shell out and get the wrong ones
I want to understand it. 

>> Ring AH4H!! 

I note that on the UK  EBC site that you sent to me, the DP2141 pad is
supplied with a kit that has an upgraded brake disc.  Are you running your
DP2141 with a standard Healey brake disk?  That site also list another pad,
DP701 for the Healey.

>> No.that page was just a random page that demonstrated that the pads were
still on the market and that the part number remains extant. 

>> No, I'm not running those pads anymore because I've got bigger discs
now.16s as opposed to the original 's 14s. (Still with EBC, just a different
part number). And, should you ask,..yes the bigger discs make a difference
but is it worth it? Depends on what you do with the car. Personally, I'm
forever messing around and, in this instance, I persuaded myself that a
projected trip around the highest peaks in the Alps necessitated bigger
brakes. As good an excuse as any! See attached which is strictly 100%
irrelevant but why not?

Here is the actual note from my supplier:

Hi Mirek,

The BR4277 are for the new competition calipers only. [these are $158 and I
think are the EBC DP2141, but could be DP701]

>> They should know and, if they don't know, they should contact AH4H and
ask!

The BR4273 are for the standard road cars. [this is some other EBC pad - I
don't know which one]

>> Useless!

So the whole thing is confusing me - I just want the "greenstuff" EBC pad
that will fit a standard BT& with standard calipers and disks.

Ring AH4H or email them FAO Keith Bates.:-

Simon

Cheers!

From: Simon Lachlan <[email-masked]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes

Or go direct to AhHealeys. Nice strong $ these days...

Yes, my link was a UK site.

Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:20 PM
To: 'Simon Lachlan' <[email-masked]
Subject: RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes

Thanks Simon,

The EBC site that link takes me to is different to the North American site -
weird.  Our local Healey specialist is the NA rep for Ahead4Healeys and
carries the same pad, but I think gets them from Ahead4 and the price is
ridiculous.  I can source them cheaper from other suppliers.

Thanks for the great info, I am thinking I will go the EBC route.

Cheers, Mirek

From: Simon Lachlan <[email-masked]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes

See Ahead4Healeys:-

Simon

Cheers, Mirek

From: Healeys <[email-masked]
Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM
Subject: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes

Simon

From: Healeys <[email-masked]
Healeys
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Squealy Brakes

All suggestions welcome.

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Hey Simon,&nbsp; I am getting mixed messages on which pad =
to use. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is problem when the suppliers use their own part =
numbers and it is hard to tell what the equivalent EBC number is.&nbsp; =
Ahead4Healeys and my supplier sell the same parts and have the same part =
numbers.&nbsp; The confusion is that:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><ol =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=3DEN-CA>The =
EBC part number DP2141 that you recommend is about $150 from various =
suppliers.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; Again, per my previous, seems that you can get =
them cheaper direct from AH4H<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' start=3D2 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=3DEN-CA>My =
Healey supplier sells several EBC pads, using their own part numbers =
(same as Ahead4 Healeys, i.e. I can&#8217;t determine the EBC part =
number), one which is $157 and another that is =
$238.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
They&#8217;re AH4H&#8217;s agents? They would use their catalogue =
numbers. However, if they can&#8217;t make it clear to you which one is =
DP2141, they are either taking you for a mug or they&#8217;re just lazy =
and/or incompetent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style=3D'margin-top:0cm' =
start=3D3 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Logic tells me that based on price the $157 pads are the =
same as the $150 EBC pad DP2141<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
Agreed but my comments above remain valid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol =
style=3D'margin-top:0cm' start=3D4 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=3DEN-CA>My =
supplier is telling me the $157 pads are for a competition caliper and =
that I need the $238 pads.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
Get a better supplier. Ring AH4H. Ask for Keith Bates, one of the =
directors. Nice chap&#8230;knows the business =
backwards&#8230;.practical/hands-on ie not just some wretched money =
cruncher.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>There is some thing wrong here but before I shell out and =
get the wrong ones I want to understand it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
Ring AH4H!! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I note that on the UK &nbsp;EBC site that you sent to me, =
the DP2141 pad is supplied with a kit that has an upgraded brake =
disc.&nbsp; Are you running your DP2141 with a standard Healey brake =
disk?&nbsp; That site also list another pad, DP701 for the =
Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
No&#8230;that page was just a random page that demonstrated that the =
pads were still on the market and that the part number remains extant. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
No, I&#8217;m not running those pads anymore because I&#8217;ve got =
bigger discs now.16s as opposed to the original &#8216;s 14s. (Still =
with EBC, just a different part number). And, should you ask,&#8230;.yes =
the bigger discs make a difference but is it worth it? Depends on what =
you do with the car. Personally, I&#8217;m forever messing around and, =
in this instance, I persuaded myself that a projected trip around the =
highest peaks in the Alps necessitated bigger brakes. As good an excuse =
as any! See attached which is strictly 100% irrelevant but why =
not?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Here is the actual note from my =
supplier:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Hi =
Mirek,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>The BR4277 are for the new =
competition calipers only. [these are $158 and I think are the EBC =
DP2141, but could be DP701]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
They should know and, if they don&#8217;t know, they should contact AH4H =
and ask!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>The BR4273 are for the standard =
road cars. [this is some other EBC pad &#8211; I don&#8217;t know which =
one]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
Useless!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>So the whole thing is confusing me &#8211; I just want the =
&#8220;greenstuff&#8221; EBC pad that will fit a standard BT&amp; with =
standard calipers and disks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Ring AH4H =
or email them FAO Keith Bates.:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &amp;/or <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Simon Lachlan =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 12:54 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Or go =
direct to AhHealeys. Nice strong $ these =
days&#8230;&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Yes, my =
link was a UK site.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Simon =
Lachlan' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Thanks Simon,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>The EBC site that link takes me to =
is different to the North American site &#8211; weird.&nbsp; Our local =
Healey specialist is the NA rep for Ahead4Healeys and carries the same =
pad, but I think gets them from Ahead4 and the price is =
ridiculous.&nbsp; I can source them cheaper from other =
suppliers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Thanks for the great info, I am thinking I will go the EBC =
route.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Cheers, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Simon Lachlan =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 9:58 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; =
'Healeys' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Thanks everyone, especially Simon for&nbsp; the detailed =
response.&nbsp; Someone else has suggested my pads may be too hard and I =
should try changing them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Simon, First, I am unfamiliar with =
&#8220;Girling 14&#8221; vs, &#8220;Girling 16&#8221;.&nbsp; I know =
there was a change in the brakes somewhere in the later cars, so I am =
assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling 14s?&nbsp; Can someone =
confirm that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; Yes, a stock BT7 has 14s. Just that I swapped to =
16s which are bigger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Also, &nbsp;I went on the EBC site and they don&#8217;t =
have a listing for Austin Healey, but do list the DP2141.&nbsp; Simon if =
you are positive about the product number I will go with =
that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>&gt;&gt; =
Yes, it&#8217;s still DP2141. Here&#8217;s a =
page:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.ebcbrakeshop.co.uk/info-brake-parts?make=3DAUSTIN+HEA=
LEY&amp;year=3D1961&amp;model=3D3000&amp;engineSelect=3D2.9&amp;engine=3D=
2.9&amp;bhp=3D">EBC Brakes | EBC Brake Pads | EBC Brake Discs | EBC =
Brake Shop</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>No, you plainly =
don&#8217;t want the whole kit but it demonstrates that the pads are =
still out there and still listed as DP2141.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>See =
Ahead4Healeys:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/KEVLAR-BRAKE-PADS---ROAD-FAST-ROA=
D-id1174.aspx">KEVLAR BRAKE PADS - ROAD/FAST ROAD =
(ahead4healeys.co.uk)</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; They use their catalogue number =
but you could email them&#8230;? Seems cheaper than =
$150:00.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Simon<span lang=3DEN-CA =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>I am still weighing options before shelling out $150 for =
pads, but the EBC option is looking best right now.&nbsp; I also see the =
normal suppliers offering anti-squeal kits, and may try those first =
after having a chat with them.&nbsp; Our local supplier, Healey =
Autofarm, also restore and drive Healeys, so they may have some =
thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA>Cheers, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><=
span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan via =
Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Squealy =
Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-CA><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I have a =
BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim pads to be =
pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were quiet and =
sometimes they really howled!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>Anyhow&#8230;..I asked around and did some research which =
led me to EBC pads. I think there are two or three materials =
used&#8230;..depending on what you use the car for. =
&#8220;Greenstuff&#8221; is the regular road set and the ones that I =
use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>According =
to my files(!), &nbsp;the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. =
(I&#8217;ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman",serif'>And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC =
supply a rubber backing material which you cut to size yourself. Back to =
the files:- They describe the material as </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>a &quot; High =
performance 200MP pressure sensitive <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>acrylic =
adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature =
formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use =
for general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 =
mil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>liner.&quot;) =
&nbsp;The instructions say:- &quot;Cut with scissors to shape required =
and apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake =
pads to prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas =
contacted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>by the =
hydraulic pistons or the calliper =
supports&quot;.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I see that =
I&#8217;ve been using EBC pads since &nbsp;some years before April 2012. =
They work for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I&#8217;ve =
attached their installation instructions which are pretty =
generic&#8230;nothing much unique to their pads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p=
net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Healey List &lt;<a =
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I don't have the model number but several years back put EBC's "Greenstuff"
pads on my 100 w/BT7 conversion.
No squeaks and good braking!

Best--Michael Oritt

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 8:51=E2=80=AFAM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Thanks everyone, especially Simon for  the detailed response.  Someone
> else has suggested my pads may be too hard and I should try changing them=
.
>
>
>
> Simon, First, I am unfamiliar with =E2=80=9CGirling 14=E2=80=9D vs, =E2=
=80=9CGirling 16=E2=80=9D.  I know
> assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling 14s?  Can someone confirm th=
at?
>
>
>
> Also,  I went on the EBC site and they don=E2=80=99t have a listing for A=
ustin
> Healey, but do list the DP2141.  Simon if you are positive about the
> product number I will go with that.
>
>
>
> I am still weighing options before shelling out $150 for pads, but the EB=
C
> option is looking best right now.  I also see the normal suppliers offeri=
ng
> Our local supplier, Healey Autofarm, also restore and drive Healeys, so
> they may have some thoughts.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Simon
> Lachlan via Healeys
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM
> *To:* Healeys <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim
> pads to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were qui=
et
> and sometimes they really howled!
>
> Anyhow=E2=80=A6..I asked around and did some research which led me to EBC=
 pads. I
> think there are two or three materials used=E2=80=A6..depending on what y=
ou use the
> car for. =E2=80=9CGreenstuff=E2=80=9D is the regular road set and the one=
s that I use.
>
> According to my files(!),  the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. (I=E2=
=80=99ve
> And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backin=
g
> material which you cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They describ=
e
> I see that I=E2=80=99ve been using EBC pads since  some years before Apri=
l 2012.
> They work for me.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve attached their installation instructions which are pretty
> generic=E2=80=A6nothing much unique to their pads.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *m.g.sharp=
---
> via Healeys
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM
> *To:* Healey List <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Squealy Brakes
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I don=
&#39;t have the model number but several years back put EBC&#39;s &quot;Gre=
enstuff&quot; pads on my 100 w/BT7 conversion.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">No squeaks and good braking!</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 8:51=E2=
=80=AFAM m.g.sharp--- via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-8536960357304781113"><div lang=
=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class=3D"m_-8536960357=
304781113WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks everyone, especially S=
imon for=C2=A0 the detailed response.=C2=A0 Someone else has suggested my p=
ads may be too hard and I should try changing them.<u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon, Firs=
t, I am unfamiliar with =E2=80=9CGirling 14=E2=80=9D vs, =E2=80=9CGirling 1=
6=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I know there was a change in the brakes somewhere in the =
later cars, so I am assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling 14s?=C2=A0=
 Can someone confirm that?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also, =C2=A0I went on the EBC site =
and they don=E2=80=99t have a listing for Austin Healey, but do list the DP=
2141.=C2=A0 Simon if you are positive about the product number I will go wi=
th that.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">I am still weighing options before shelling out $150 f=
or pads, but the EBC option is looking best right now.=C2=A0 I also see the=
 normal suppliers offering anti-squeal kits, and may try those first after =
having a chat with them.=C2=A0 Our local supplier, Healey Autofarm, also re=
store and drive Healeys, so they may have some thoughts.<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers=
, Mirek<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><di=
v><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;borde=
r-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healey=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan via Heal=
eys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family=
:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeak=
y brakes and found my anti-shim pads to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way,=
 sometimes the brakes were quiet and sometimes they really howled!<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Anyhow=E2=80=A6..I =
asked around and did some research which led me to EBC pads. I think there =
are two or three materials used=E2=80=A6..depending on what you use the car=
 for. =E2=80=9CGreenstuff=E2=80=9D is the regular road set and the ones tha=
t I use.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB=
" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Ac=
cording to my files(!), =C2=A0the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. (I=E2=
=80=99ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"m_-8536960357304781113MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">And, with partic=
ular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing material which y=
ou cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They describe the material as =
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-=
serif">a &quot; High performance 200MP pressure sensitive <u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"m_-8536960357304781113MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-GB=
" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">acrylic adhesive on=
 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature formulation, solvent =
resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use for general industrial joi=
ning. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 mil<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-853=
6960357304781113MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;=
font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">liner.&quot;) =C2=A0The instructions say:- &q=
uot;Cut with scissors to shape required and apply these shims to the revers=
e side (painted side) of the brake pads to prevent brake noise. The fibre m=
ust cover all areas contacted<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-853696=
0357304781113MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:Aptos,sans-serif">by the hydraulic pistons or the calliper support=
s&quot;.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-8536960357304781113MsoPlain=
Text"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-s=
erif">I see that I=E2=80=99ve been using EBC pads since =C2=A0some years be=
fore April 2012. They work for me.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-8=
536960357304781113MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">I=E2=80=99ve attached their installation in=
structions which are pretty generic=E2=80=A6nothing much unique to their pa=
ds.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-8536960357304781113MsoPlainText"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"=
>Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"m_-8536960357304781113MsoPlainTe=
xt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-ser=
if"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
GB" style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bott=
om:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt =
0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf=
 Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:=
26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Healey List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Hea=
leys] Squealy Brakes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi all,=C2=A0 I have had intermittent squealy bra=
kes on my BT7 the last year or so.=C2=A0 I got it out of hibernation a week=
 ago and the squealing is worse, it seems.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t mind heads=
 turning when I pull up at a light, but not because it sounds like I just r=
an over a cat.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">I put new pads in a few years back and installed the anti-squeal sh=
ims, but they did not work. =C2=A0=C2=A0Today I pulled out the pads, tossed=
 the shims and lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate =
of glass, just to take the sheen of the friction side and ensure the backs =
were flat.=C2=A0 I took a file and gently broke the leading and trailing ed=
ges of the friction material, as the edges were quite sharp and though one =
could be catching.=C2=A0 I then cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 I also lightly used emery on the disks to remove any glaze. =
=C2=A0=C2=A0I had gone to my local auto parts supplier to see if=C2=A0 they=
 had any anti-squeal shims but they don=E2=80=99t sell them separately from=
 the pads.=C2=A0 However, they highly recommended a Permatex product with t=
he promising name =E2=80=9CDisc Brake Quiet=E2=80=9D [sic]. =C2=A0=C2=A0Thi=
s I applied per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads.=C2=
=A0 I blew the dust out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the p=
istons for irregularities where they bear on the pads.=C2=A0 The calipers w=
ere re-built about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as ne=
w.=C2=A0 Retaining pins were cleaned and very lightly greased.=C2=A0 I re-a=
ssembled everything and went =C2=A0out for a test drive.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The results were staggeri=
ng in that there was no difference whatsoever.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">So folks =E2=80=93 any good ideas o=
ut there?=C2=A0 I am wondering if should switch out the pads, but mine are =
barely worn and I am not sure I have record of what I put in, so may end up=
 with the same make.=C2=A0 Other than that, I am flummoxed.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">All suggestions welcom=
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