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For assistance, please refer to our FAQ or Contact Us. http://smtp26.mail.reunion.com:80/track?type=click&mailingid=68800&messageid= 6100&databaseid=1229335859&serial=1228209693&emailid=mg-t@autox.team.net&user id=146993&extra=&&&2001&&&http://help.reunion.com/selfhelp?lid=2 Our Address: 2118 Wilshire Blvd., Box 1008, Santa Monica, CA 90403-5784 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 08:39:26 2009 From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: MG Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:12:40 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Battery issue I9m having an issue with batteries in my TD. Hopefully someone has an answer. I am going though Optima batteries like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why are Optima batteries failing so frequently (every 2.5 years or less) when placed in my TD? Perhaps the below facts and data will reveal cause of problem. Please let me know of any other tests I should be making. FACTS: Four and a half years ago I installed an Optima Red Top. Two years later it failed. Replaced and also installed a solid state voltage regulator. Two and a half years later the second Optima failed. It was just replaced with a third Optima. Chronologically: 6/28/04 54,187 odometer Installed Optima #1. Original 5-terminal relay voltage regulator installed. 6/02/06 64,487 odometer Replaced Optima #2, installed Solid State Regulator 1/03/09 78,807 odometer Replaced Optima #3 Is this an Optima problem or a MG problem? DATA: (Digital voltmeter readings taken at dashboard TEST POINTS while driving) MG at idle @ 1000 rpm charging voltage 11.9 vdc MG @ 2000 - 3000 rpm charging voltage 14.00 to 15.00 vdc (seems to depend on how close the battery is to being fully charged) STATE OF BATTERY #3 (voltage reading made after letting battery 3stabilize/settle2 for 15 minutes) Battery was first charged on work bench to 12.74 vdc The CHARGE on battery after driving 1 hour 12.78 vdc CHARGE on battery after 12 hours of non-use 12.60 vdc CHARGE on battery after 36 hours of non-use 12.25 vdc The Optima web site states the battery should maintain a voltage of 12.6 to 12.8. It should NEVER be allowed to fall below 12.6 volts, otherwise it will start to sulfate. If I don9t drive for a couple of days, the battery will drop to 12.00 or lower! Is this normal? With ignition OFF, drain on battery in the MG is 16 MA (0.016 Amps). This is from a car alarm and standby voltage for Radio and CD Player. When driving (without lights) the dash ammeter charging amperage looks approx Plus 3 amps. With lights on, the dash ammeter reads basically ZERO. I checked this morning the status of the battery in my General Motor9s CTS after non-use for 2.5 days. It reads 12.01 vdc. However, when I start the CTS, the charging voltage jumps to 14.5 vdc @750 rpm. The MG only shows a charging voltage of 11.9 at start up (idle) unless revved to 2000 rpm. Is the MG suppose to show full charging voltage (14 - 15 vdc) when starting and idling or is this normal for 3unsophisticated2 classic cars? PS I changed to Optima because I had one lead-acid battery leak from a pin-hole on the side and a second that was leaking from the top. Stuart Keen 1951 MG TD Mark II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 10:01:17 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: "'Stuart C. Keen, Jr.'" , "'MG'" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:00:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Battery issue Stuart, I to have had battery problems, but with the Sears Die-Hard. After consulting the Listers, I made some adjusting. No matter what settings I used, it continued to leak fluid from the covers as if being overcharged. I switched to Interstate and the problem went away. Today's batteries are so different in their manufacture that they just don't seem to understand the MGs needs. I have had the Interstate for 6 years now and when the car is in storage I keep a "SureCharge IV" device on it....Starts well all the time and the amp meter shows about 1 to 2 needle widths on the plus side while running. Good luck Cheers Gene '53 MGTD "Eliot" Vermont -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stuart C. Keen, Jr. Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:13 AM To: MG Subject: [Mg-t] Battery issue I9m having an issue with batteries in my TD. Hopefully someone has an answer. I am going though Optima batteries like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why are Optima batteries failing so frequently (every 2.5 years or less) when placed in my TD? Perhaps the below facts and data will reveal cause of problem. Please let me know of any other tests I should be making. FACTS: Four and a half years ago I installed an Optima Red Top. Two years later it failed. Replaced and also installed a solid state voltage regulator. Two and a half years later the second Optima failed. It was just replaced with a third Optima. Chronologically: 6/28/04 54,187 odometer Installed Optima #1. Original 5-terminal relay voltage regulator installed. 6/02/06 64,487 odometer Replaced Optima #2, installed Solid State Regulator 1/03/09 78,807 odometer Replaced Optima #3 Is this an Optima problem or a MG problem? DATA: (Digital voltmeter readings taken at dashboard TEST POINTS while driving) MG at idle @ 1000 rpm charging voltage 11.9 vdc MG @ 2000 - 3000 rpm charging voltage 14.00 to 15.00 vdc (seems to depend on how close the battery is to being fully charged) STATE OF BATTERY #3 (voltage reading made after letting battery 3stabilize/settle2 for 15 minutes) Battery was first charged on work bench to 12.74 vdc The CHARGE on battery after driving 1 hour 12.78 vdc CHARGE on battery after 12 hours of non-use 12.60 vdc CHARGE on battery after 36 hours of non-use 12.25 vdc The Optima web site states the battery should maintain a voltage of 12.6 to 12.8. It should NEVER be allowed to fall below 12.6 volts, otherwise it will start to sulfate. If I don9t drive for a couple of days, the battery will drop to 12.00 or lower! Is this normal? With ignition OFF, drain on battery in the MG is 16 MA (0.016 Amps). This is from a car alarm and standby voltage for Radio and CD Player. When driving (without lights) the dash ammeter charging amperage looks approx Plus 3 amps. With lights on, the dash ammeter reads basically ZERO. I checked this morning the status of the battery in my General Motor9s CTS after non-use for 2.5 days. It reads 12.01 vdc. However, when I start the CTS, the charging voltage jumps to 14.5 vdc @750 rpm. The MG only shows a charging voltage of 11.9 at start up (idle) unless revved to 2000 rpm. Is the MG suppose to show full charging voltage (14 - 15 vdc) when starting and idling or is this normal for 3unsophisticated2 classic cars? PS I changed to Optima because I had one lead-acid battery leak from a pin-hole on the side and a second that was leaking from the top. Stuart Keen 1951 MG TD Mark II Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 10:17:14 2009 From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:16:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Battery issue Stuart, You might want to get a battery tender and keep it plugged in whenever the car is in the garage. Unlike a trickle charger, a battery tender applies a trickle charge only when the battery discharges to a certain level and quits charging at a preset upper level so it does not cause the battery to boil off electrolyte. I purchased a tender for our TD several years ago when the Interstate battery in it was 8 or 9 years old and appeared to be on its last legs. Since then the battery has performed like new. Cheers, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 15 15:24:10 2009 From: TATERRY@aol.com To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:23:17 EST Subject: [Mg-t] Xpag aluminized exhaust manifolds Folks the only place that used to do this correct system, Hambro Industries in LA, has stopped doing it. Do any of you have another source in the USA? Tnx Terry in Oakland


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A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 17 08:19:10 2009 From: "Jim S." To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:18:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Battery issue I think that you have the answer. I have heard on another forum about red-top OPtima's failing early. These happened on cars with alarms or radios that draw current constantly. I have 8 year old Optimas that are still in great shape; but they have no load on them when the ignition is off. Get a battery tender to use while the car is off, if you can plug it in. Also, I'm not certain; but your charging action sounds normal with a generator. I think that the difference you are seeing is exactly the advantage of using an alternator (plus higher amps for the size) Regards, Jim --- On Thu, 1/15/09, Stuart C. Keen, Jr. wrote: From: Stuart C. Keen, Jr. Subject: [Mg-t] Battery issue To: "MG" Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:12 AM I9m having an issue with batteries in my TD. Hopefully someone has an answer. I am going though Optima batteries like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why are Optima batteries failing so frequently (every 2.5 years or less) when placed in my TD? The Optima web site states the battery should maintain a voltage of 12.6 to 12.8. It should NEVER be allowed to fall below 12.6 volts, otherwise it will start to sulfate. If I don9t drive for a couple of days, the battery will drop to 12.00 or lower! Is this normal? With ignition OFF, drain on battery in the MG is 16 MA (0.016 Amps). This is from a car alarm and standby voltage for Radio and CD Player. When driving (without lights) the dash ammeter charging amperage looks approx Plus 3 amps. With lights on, the dash ammeter reads basically ZERO. I checked this morning the status of the battery in my General Motor9s CTS after non-use for 2.5 days. It reads 12.01 vdc. However, when I start the CTS, the charging voltage jumps to 14.5 vdc @750 rpm. The MG only shows a charging voltage of 11.9 at start up (idle) unless revved to 2000 rpm. Is the MG suppose to show full charging voltage (14 - 15 vdc) when starting and idling or is this normal for 3unsophisticated2 classic cars? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 20:19:35 2009 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mg-t" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:18:58 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] What's with the 5K byte message limit? I received a message about my last posting saying it was over the 5K limit. 5K seems minuscule to me, just two pages of plain text on my printer. What gives? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 21:08:06 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: "mg-t" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:08:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's with the 5K byte message limit? <> THREE (3) is MAX, Bob. Ask MJB! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jan 18 21:41:15 2009 From: Mark J Bradakis To: mg-t Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:42:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What's with the 5K byte message limit? Your reply by itself would have been just fine. But for some reason you saw fit to include the *ENTIRE* original message in your response. What gives? mjb. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 07:36:10 2009 From: Gunnellj@athenet.net To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:35:37 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y Mates The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week after we put the car back together. A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. Any suggestions? John Gunnell Iola, WI _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 07:50:02 2009 From: "spook01" To: , Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:49:37 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y I suggest you listen very carefully to Joe Curto. He has re-done more carbs than your mechanic has ever even seen. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:35 AM Subject: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y > Mates > > The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main problem > is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So the cost is > going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt shocks. But if we > didn't, you just know something would break the week after we put the car > back together. > > A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a source of > a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the Magnette > engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. Who sources > the XPAG rocker arm assembly? > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in > the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to > 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power > if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are > sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. > Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 08:12:15 2009 From: Charlie Baldwin To: Gunnellj@athenet.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:11:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y John, Check out http://www.rockerarms.com/index.htm. They hard chrome the rocker shaft and rebuild the whole thing with new parts for less than you can buy the parts. I've had my TD and Austin-Healey 3000 rocker arms done by them. Charlie Gunnellj@athenet.net wrote: > Mates > > The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week after we put the car back together. > > A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 10:15:35 2009 From: "Mark Stolzenburg" To: , Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:15:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y John, Go to John Twist's website (University Motors) at: http://www.universitymotorsltd.com/ and look at the video on matching S.U. pistons and domes. Very informative with lots more video's on tune-up's and other things to watch. Before you sand the domes I would wash the pistons off with carb cleaner to ensure there is no gas residue on the pistons. Mark Stolzenburg St. Louis, Missouri TC 7812 (up for sale) -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gunnellj@athenet.net Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:36 AM To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y Mates The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week after we put the car back together. A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. Any suggestions? John Gunnell Iola, WI Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 10:55:31 2009 From: TATERRY@aol.com To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:54:58 EST Subject: [Mg-t] Bishop Cam bearings Anyone have a USA source for the top and bottom bearings on the worm? Thanks Terry


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See if they can come up with what you need. Bob On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:54:58 EST TATERRY@aol.com writes: > Anyone have a USA source for the top and bottom bearings on the > worm? > Thanks > Terry ____________________________________________________________ Click to publish your book fast with high quality presses. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1R6UNl5XwJVSEALry7CfJfiWFrX2mt0sn2x9D1tY7taK0S4/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 11:49:26 2009 From: Ted Jackson To: Gunnellj@athenet.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:49:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y John, I am FAR from an expert on such things but it's my understanding of SU carbs that the piston rises based on a vacuum in the cylinder and the precision fit of the piston to the cylinder is absolutely critical. In other words I would say that you should not do anything more than just clean the parts. I wouldn't sand or polish the fitting surfaces. Ted On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, wrote: > > We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long > time. Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > -- Ted Jackson _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 12:06:28 2009 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=" To: Gunnellj@athenet.net, "" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:02:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?iso-8859-1?q?Source_of_Rocker_Arm_Ass=27y?= John, I have, for many years, sent rocker assemblies from all the engines I rebuild to: Rocker Arm Specialist 19841 Hirsch Court Anderson, CA 96007 530-378-1075 They do excellent work and their prices are very reasonable. As for the carburetor problem, while Joe Curto may be correct in saying that pistons in normal driving do not rise all the way to the top, they were designed to be able to do so. Therefore, I believe, they should always be free enough that they can travel freely. Any sticking is not acceptable, IMHO. As well as the outer edge of the piston and the inner surface of the dashpot needing to be smooth, it is important that the piston tube and the steel center bore of the dashpot also be clean and smooth. I have often found rust or contaminants in the bore and at the bottom of the tube which impede the smooth travel of the piston. Sometimes the problem is also inside the piston tube where the damper rod fits. Clean all these parts carefully so that the piston can travel smoothly all the way up and down. Be careful not to sand too much material off the outer edge of the piston or the inside of the dashpot; a close tolerance fit is necessary for the vacuum to pull the piston up at the correct rate. Remember also that the jet has to be centered correctly for the piston to fall all the way to the bridge with a nice "click". Lawrie Alexander > -------Original Message------- > From: Gunnellj@athenet.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y > Sent: 19 Jan '09 06:35 > > Mates > > The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week after we put the car back together. > > A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 17:22:05 2009 From: Bud Krueger To: Gunnellj@athenet.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:22:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y Gunnellj@athenet.net wrote: > Mates > > The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week after we put the car back together. > > A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > John, I heartily second Lawrie's recommendation for Rocker Arm Specialists. They are familiar with XPAG engines and are very reasonable in their prices. Their rebuild of the rocker arm assembly of my TD had a great side benefit. I gained about 10 psi of warm idling oil pressure. Bud Krueger http://www.ttalk.info/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 18:56:21 2009 From: "Bob Donahue" To: "mg-t" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:56:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Battery issue MG originally set the charging voltage to 16 volts on the T cars. (Correct me if I'm wrong. I base this statement on the operation of my original voltage regulator, and the alignment procedure in the shop manual.) This is too high, 16 volts will boil out the electrolyte. For the life of me, I don't know why MG set it so high. I set my regulator to 14 volts at running speed. (Apparently there are several different battery types now that require slightly different charging voltages.14 volts is supposed to be good for the AGM/Optima battery.) Before I re-adjusted my regulator, and when I had a conventional non-sealed battery, the battery consistently barfed up acid. As for the Optima Red Top, I've had one for ten years now. I have no accessories to drain the battery during storage (the original clock is missing). I store the car during over the winter from October to April. The battery maintains a full charge (12.6 volts) with out any charging at all over that period. BTW: Generators, like in our T cars, do not charge at idle speed. Our batteries actually discharge waiting on the traffic light. Alternators do charge at idle. I remember the old days when everyone had a generator, it was possible to run down the battery in a traffic jam especially at night with the headlights on. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd@comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: "MG" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: [Mg-t] Battery issue > I9m having an issue with batteries in my TD. Hopefully someone has an > answer. I am going though Optima batteries like they were the greatest > thing > since sliced bread. Why are Optima batteries failing so frequently (every > 2.5 years or less) when placed in my TD? Perhaps the below facts and data > will reveal cause of problem. Please let me know of any other tests I > should > be making. > MG @ 2000 - 3000 rpm charging voltage 14.00 to 15.00 vdc (seems to > depend on how close the battery is to being fully charged) > > > The Optima web site states the battery should maintain a voltage of 12.6 > to > 12.8. It should NEVER be allowed to fall below 12.6 volts, otherwise it > will > start to sulfate. If I don9t drive for a couple of days, the battery will > drop to 12.00 or lower! Is this normal? > > With ignition OFF, drain on battery in the MG is 16 MA (0.016 Amps). This > is from a car alarm and standby voltage for Radio and CD Player. When > driving (without lights) the dash ammeter charging amperage looks approx > Plus 3 amps. With lights on, the dash ammeter reads basically ZERO. > > I checked this morning the status of the battery in my General Motor9s > CTS > after non-use for 2.5 days. It reads 12.01 vdc. However, when I start the > CTS, the charging voltage jumps to 14.5 vdc @750 rpm. The MG only shows a > charging voltage of 11.9 at start up (idle) unless revved to 2000 rpm. Is > the MG suppose to show full charging voltage (14 - 15 vdc) when starting > and > idling or is this normal for 3unsophisticated2 classic cars? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 21:12:33 2009 From: "Lew Palmer" To: , , Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:11:36 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Bishop Cam bearings Moss Motors USA lists the parts for TCs which are the identical part for the earlier Bishop Cam boxes (PA, PB). Whether they have them in stock is another matter. Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TATERRY@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:55 AM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Bishop Cam bearings Anyone have a USA source for the top and bottom bearings on the worm? Thanks Terry


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Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of lawrie Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:02 PM To: Gunnellj@athenet.net; Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y John, I have, for many years, sent rocker assemblies from all the engines I rebuild to: Rocker Arm Specialist 19841 Hirsch Court Anderson, CA 96007 530-378-1075 They do excellent work and their prices are very reasonable. As for the carburetor problem, while Joe Curto may be correct in saying that pistons in normal driving do not rise all the way to the top, they were designed to be able to do so. Therefore, I believe, they should always be free enough that they can travel freely. Any sticking is not acceptable, IMHO. As well as the outer edge of the piston and the inner surface of the dashpot needing to be smooth, it is important that the piston tube and the steel center bore of the dashpot also be clean and smooth. I have often found rust or contaminants in the bore and at the bottom of the tube which impede the smooth travel of the piston. Sometimes the problem is also inside the piston tube where the damper rod fits. Clean all these parts carefully so that the piston can travel smoothly all the way up and down. Be careful not to sand too much material off the outer edge of the piston or the inside of the dashpot; a close tolerance fit is necessary for the vacuum to pull the piston up at th e correct rate. Remember also that the jet has to be centered correctly for the piston to fall all the way to the bridge with a nice "click". Lawrie Alexander > -------Original Message------- > From: Gunnellj@athenet.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y > Sent: 19 Jan '09 06:35 > > Mates > > The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week after we put the car back together. > > A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jan 19 21:27:46 2009 From: Herald1200@aol.com To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:28:29 EST Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y John wrote: Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a long time. Any suggestions? ==AM== Forgive the obvious suggestion, but is it possible that, somewhere along the line, you or a previous owner might have accidentally swapped pistons and/or domes? It might be that simple...if you're lucky! (Been there, done that!) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 09:42:50 2009 From: John Seim To: Gunnellj@athenet.net Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:42:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y One situation I saw a few years ago, was that the piston would not travel all the way up into the bell. Removed the cap and damper rod, and it would. Seems that the brass sleeve from a damper rod had dropped off of the damper, and fell, along with the "E" clip, into the bottom of the oil pipe of the piston. At some time, it was noticed that the damper did not have the sleeve at the bottom, and another cap and damper were installed. The piston travel was limited by the length of the sleeve stuck in the bottom of the damper oil pipe reservoir. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Gunnellj@athenet.net wrote: > Mates > > The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main > problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So > the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt > shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week > after we put the car back together. > > A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a > source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the > Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. > Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way > up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises > 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have > more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way > up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It > takes a long time. Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 15:34:31 2009 From: "Douglas Ormrod" To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:34:07 +1300 Subject: [Mg-t] Re sticking carbs This may be unlikely to be your carb problem - but you never know. After I had the TD carbs rebuilt one piston was not going all the way up. The tuning guy scratched his head for some time - and a lot of other body surfaces - then he finally discovered that there were TWO dash pot plungers in one of the piston dash pots. One had obviously broken off the rod and then at some point someone - probably a new owner - just inserted a new piston and rod. Worth a look anyway. Douglas _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 16:29:13 2009 From: "Lew Palmer" To: "'John Seim'" , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:32:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y Of course, don't overlook the possibility that the damper rod could be bent. However, any tests of piston to dashpot should be done off the car and without the damper rod fitted. Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Seim Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:42 AM To: Gunnellj@athenet.net Cc: Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y One situation I saw a few years ago, was that the piston would not travel all the way up into the bell. Removed the cap and damper rod, and it would. Seems that the brass sleeve from a damper rod had dropped off of the damper, and fell, along with the "E" clip, into the bottom of the oil pipe of the piston. At some time, it was noticed that the damper did not have the sleeve at the bottom, and another cap and damper were installed. The piston travel was limited by the length of the sleeve stuck in the bottom of the damper oil pipe reservoir. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jan 19, 2009, at 6:35 AM, Gunnellj@athenet.net wrote: > Mates > > The rebuild of the MG TD engine is moving along well. The main > problem is we keep saying "while it's apart, why not do this, too?" So > the cost is going up as we add in a front end rebuild and rebuilt > shocks. But if we didn't, you just know something would break the week > after we put the car back together. > > A few weeks ago, when I asked about parts, someone mentioned a > source of a completely rebuilt rocker arm assembly. We did that on the > Magnette engine (sourced from Scarborough Faire) and it worked great. > Who sources the XPAG rocker arm assembly? > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go all the way > up in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston only rises > 3/4" to 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the car will have > more power if the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way > up. We are sanding the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It > takes a long time. Any suggestions? > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jan 20 21:05:23 2009 From: David Lodge To: Mg-t@autox.team.net, Herald1200@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y Ah, yes! Mr Kamikaze was the pilot! --- On Tue, 20/1/09, Herald1200@aol.com wrote: > From: Herald1200@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Source of Rocker Arm Ass'y > To: Mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 4:28 AM > John wrote: > > Anyone have experience with carb pistons that don't go > all the way up > in the bell (suction chamber)? Joe Curto says the piston > only rises 3/4" to > 1" and won't get stuck, but my mechanic says the > car will have more power if > the piston doesn't get stuckj when it goes all the way > up. We are sanding > the inside of the bell with 1000-grit paper. It takes a > long time. Any > suggestions? > > > ==AM== > Forgive the obvious suggestion, but is it possible that, > somewhere along the > line, you or a previous owner might have accidentally > swapped pistons and/or > domes? It might be that simple...if you're lucky! (Been > there, done that!) > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's > more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying > Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The > Vintage Triumph > Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) > and Triumph Herald > Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ > (http://triumph-herald.us/) > > > > **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage > from the nation's > capital. > (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 09:08:18 2009 From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: MG Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:07:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential While in my driveway yesterday, I started the engine, then placed the TD into reverse - resulting in a LOUD BANG and no movement. Jacked up the rear, and with engine running, put transmission in gear. The drive shaft appears to be rotating properly, and universal coupling to the differential seems good - but neither rear wheel rotates. In fact, with engine off, I can freely rotate both rear wheels. Previously, there was always considerable drag and it was difficult to rotate either by hand. What has snapped or broken? From this layman's point of view, it is either the differential (ring or pinion) OR the axle. I cannot pull either of the rear wheels outward which I suspect might be possible if the axle was broken (or is there something preventing the outward movement?). Also, if it was the axle, then would BOTH wheels be affected, not just one? I am looking for some enlightenment before I drag the TD off to the British repair shop - or, if simple enough, do it myself. Stu Keen 1951 MG TD Mark II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 10:25:51 2009 From: "Brian & Jan" To: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." , "MG" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:25:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential Stuart Sounds like the same thing that happened to me when I first put my car on the road. My right rear axle snapped and the car would not move. In my case it snapped right at the gear set and while I thought this was a mjor item, it turned out to be a fairly easy fix. Once the rear end is drained you will end up pulling both axles as you will probably need to pull the good one to get the stub of the broken axle out and it is a good time to examine the condition of the axle anyway. I have heard of individuals changing an axle on the side of the road but..........far better in the shop. The axles are a weak spot so I am told but upgraded axles are available on ebay from time to time. Check the archives on the TD BBS as well and you will find a great deal of info. Brian 1950 MGTD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: "MG" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential > While in my driveway yesterday, I started the engine, then placed the TD > into reverse - resulting in a LOUD BANG and no movement. Jacked up the > rear, > and with engine running, put transmission in gear. The drive shaft appears > to be rotating properly, and universal coupling to the differential seems > good - but neither rear wheel rotates. In fact, with engine off, I can > freely rotate both rear wheels. Previously, there was always considerable > drag and it was difficult to rotate either by hand. > > What has snapped or broken? From this layman's point of view, it is either > the differential (ring or pinion) OR the axle. > > I cannot pull either of the rear wheels outward which I suspect might be > possible if the axle was broken (or is there something preventing the > outward movement?). Also, if it was the axle, then would BOTH wheels be > affected, not just one? > > I am looking for some enlightenment before I drag the TD off to the > British > repair shop - or, if simple enough, do it myself. > > Stu Keen > 1951 MG TD Mark II > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 12:44:49 2009 From: Mike Eldred To: , Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:44:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential Stu, It's an axle. I had the same thing happen this summer, and I got some good advice here on the list. If there's a searchable database, you can probably tap into those messages. If not, let me know and I'll forward whatever I can find in my inbox. Probably the best piece of advice I got was not to buy the new axles that are being offered by suppliers like Moss because they are of inferior quality. I was lucky in that I found a source that had two (I went ahead and replaced both, just for GPs) new old stock axles. There are also suppliers (one that's always on ebay) that offer hardened competition axles for not too much more. There is a garage nearby that specializes in British sports cars, but I went to a neighborhood mechanic - one that I know I can depend on. He did a fine job. It should be simple enough to do on your own, but I didn't feel like tempting fate. > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:07:46 -0500> From: simbafish@comcast.net> To: mg-t@autox.team.net> Subject: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential> > While in my driveway yesterday, I started the engine, then placed the TD> into reverse - resulting in a LOUD BANG and no movement. Jacked up the rear,> and with engine running, put transmission in gear. The drive shaft appears> to be rotating properly, and universal coupling to the differential seems> good - but neither rear wheel rotates. In fact, with engine off, I can> freely rotate both rear wheels. Previously, there was always considerable> drag and it was difficult to rotate either by hand.> > What has snapped or broken? From this layman's point of view, it is either> the differential (ring or pinion) OR the axle.> > I cannot pull either of the rear wheels outward which I suspect might be> possible if the axle was broken (or is there something preventing the> outward movement?). Also, if it was the axle, then would BOTH wheels be> affected, not just one?> > I am looking for some enlightenment before I drag the TD off to the British> repair shop - or, if simple enough, do it myself.> > Stu Keen> 1951 MG TD Mark II> _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Mg-t@autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t> > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howit works_012009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 12:55:06 2009 From: TATERRY@aol.com To: redscirocco@hotmail.com, simbafish@comcast.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:54:32 EST Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential In a message dated 1/22/2009 11:45:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, redscirocco@hotmail.com writes: > It's an axle. I agree, happens frequently. Jerry Austin in So. Cal sells the improved axles. Jerry at: jdaustinmg@cyberhotline.com Terry in Oakland


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A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hm pgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 16:45:06 2009 From: Mike Eldred To: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:44:41 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] FW: 453-220_Axle Shaft_MG TD-TF_disparaging comment by Mike From: redscirocco@hotmail.comTo: mgrant@mossmotors.comCC: simbafish@comcast.net; alexanderl@mossmotors.com; mg-t@autox.team.netSubject: RE: 453-220_Axle Shaft_MG TD-TF_disparaging comment by Mike EldredDate: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:41:00 -0500 Mr. Grant, Wow, Moss Motors communications intercept abilities rival those of the NSA! As I said, that was the advice I got from more than one person. But I'm glad to hear your axles are quality-made in the USA. I'll be sure to tell everyone. My name isn't on some kind of list now, is it?-Mike Subject: 453-220_Axle Shaft_MG TD-TF_disparaging comment by Mike EldredDate: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:17:57 -0800From: mgrant@mossmotors.comTo: redscirocco@hotmail.comCC: simbafish@comcast.net; alexanderl@mossmotors.com7-881825 MIKE ELDRED 17 N. MAIN ST WILMINGTON VT 05363 802-464-8710 Record Added 04/28/08 Dear Mr. Eldred, Your post regarding TD axles was brought to my attention. I read with some interest that "...Probably the best piece of advice I got was not to buy the new axles that are being offered by suppliers like Moss because they are of inferior quality."As Product Manager, complaints about fit, finish, durability and suitability for purpose generally come to my group. When someone makes a serious statement like yours, we take notice. In some cases, we will discover that we have a problem. In other cases, we can find no reason why someone would condemn a product we offer.I have done the research, and the results are summarized in the attached PDF. Please read through it. If you have personal knowledge of a Moss manufactured TD-TF axle that failed, I would very much like to hear the details, because we have no record of any complaint about these axles. If we have a problem, I very much need to know the particulars so we can take appropriate action.Please call me at your convenience so we can discuss this. Best Regards, <<453-220_Axle Shaft_MG TD-TF_any quality issues_to customer.pdf>> Michael Grant Product Manager Moss Motors, Ltd. 440 Rutherford Street Goleta, CA 93117 805-679-7234 (Direct Line) grantm@mossmotors.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Eldred" To: ; Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential > Stu, > It's an axle. I had the same thing happen this summer, and I got some > good > advice here on the list. If there's a searchable database, you can > probably > tap into those messages. If not, let me know and I'll forward whatever I > can > find in my inbox. > Probably the best piece of advice I got was not to buy the new axles that > are > being offered by suppliers like Moss because they are of inferior quality. > I > was lucky in that I found a source that had two (I went ahead and replaced > both, just for GPs) new old stock axles. There are also suppliers (one > that's > always on ebay) that offer hardened competition axles for not too much > more. > There is a garage nearby that specializes in British sports cars, but I > went > to a neighborhood mechanic - one that I know I can depend on. He did a > fine > job. It should be simple enough to do on your own, but I didn't feel like > tempting fate. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howit works_012009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 17:27:24 2009 From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: MG Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:26:59 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Broken Axle Many thanks to all for the feedback I got today about what apparently is a broken axle in my TD. Next question would be: Technically speaking (not considering the costs) should I replace just the broken half axle or replace both sides at the same time? I am thinking that if one half experiences such torque/stress to cause it to snap, then the other half probably experienced some of the same forces. Thanks Stu Keen 1951 MG TD Mark II _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 20:08:57 2009 From: Bud Krueger To: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:08:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Broken Axle Stuart C. Keen, Jr. wrote: > Many thanks to all for the feedback I got today about what apparently is a > broken axle in my TD. > > Next question would be: Technically speaking (not considering the costs) > should I replace just the broken half axle or replace both sides at the same > time? I am thinking that if one half experiences such torque/stress to cause > it to snap, then the other half probably experienced some of the same > forces. > > Thanks > > Stu Keen 1951 MG TD Mark II > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > Hi Stu, FYI, I'm planning to replace both of my rear axles with the ones from Jerry Austin before heading off onto a 4,000 mile trip in May (Mass. to Texas and back). You may recall that our cars were on the production line together back in October of '51. Bud Krueger _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jan 22 23:23:15 2009 From: "Brian & Jan" To: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." , "MG" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:22:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Broken Axle Stu You may get other responses here but personally I would give the other axle a very close inspection if you are going to reuse it. It would probably make sense to replace both and if the other axle turns out to be in good shape I would mark it as to which side it came from and then keep it as a spare. Easy enough to carry along but it would be best to ensure that you have a new bearing pressed on and have a new axle nut. If you are away from home and don't want to fit it at the roadside then at least you could have it towed to a garage who could fit it for you. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: "MG" Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: [Mg-t] Broken Axle > Many thanks to all for the feedback I got today about what apparently is a > broken axle in my TD. > > Next question would be: Technically speaking (not considering the costs) > should I replace just the broken half axle or replace both sides at the > same > time? I am thinking that if one half experiences such torque/stress to > cause > it to snap, then the other half probably experienced some of the same > forces. > > Thanks > > Stu Keen 1951 MG TD Mark II > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 10:18:41 2009 From: John Seim To: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:18:01 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Axle or Differential Reason that the axles break are: Poor design. The splines used to be cut into the axle. This created a stress point where the splines stopped at the axle shaft. Newer designs have the shaft tapered to meet the root of the splines. This moves the stress point farther along the axle shaft, which is a good thing. Worn u-joints, flanges, splines on drive shaft. Sloppy u-joint fits on a driveshaft will transfer the "snap" from the slop along the shaft, and to the pinion gear. The ring gear then gets all this extra momentum, and the axles receive the energy. Check your drive shaft, since you are down anyway. John Seim Irvine, CA On Jan 22, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Stuart C. Keen, Jr. wrote: > While in my driveway yesterday, I started the engine, then placed the > TD > into reverse - resulting in a LOUD BANG and no movement. Jacked up the > rear, > and with engine running, put transmission in gear. The drive shaft > appears > to be rotating properly, and universal coupling to the differential > seems > good - but neither rear wheel rotates. In fact, with engine off, I can > freely rotate both rear wheels. Previously, there was always > considerable > drag and it was difficult to rotate either by hand. > > What has snapped or broken? From this layman's point of view, it is > either > the differential (ring or pinion) OR the axle. > > I cannot pull either of the rear wheels outward which I suspect might > be > possible if the axle was broken (or is there something preventing the > outward movement?). Also, if it was the axle, then would BOTH wheels be > affected, not just one? > > I am looking for some enlightenment before I drag the TD off to the > British > repair shop - or, if simple enough, do it myself. > > Stu Keen > 1951 MG TD Mark II > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 18:51:36 2009 From: Gunnellj@athenet.net To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:51:07 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] MG TD Front Shocks Hi Mates Just had the Girling front shocks from my TD rebuilt by World Wide in Madison, Wis. Look great. I am a bit confused about the mounting. I didn't look carefully when I removed them and I assumed that the shocks were of "mirror image" design (left-hand and right-hand). Now when I look at them all cleaned up, I see they are identical, rather than mirror image. I also noted they are longer on one side and higher on one side. So, are they mounted on the car slightly off-set? I guess this will be apparent when I re-mount them, but I'm intrigued by this. John Gunnell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jan 23 18:59:38 2009 From: Gunnellj@athenet.net To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:59:17 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] Iola Old Car Show The Iola Old Car Show July 9-12 here in Iola, Wisconsin is the biggest old car show in the Midwest. Iola is the home of OLD CARS WEEKLY magazine, but the show is actually community run. The theme of the 2009 show is "Imports & Independents." Any British car owners, shops, vendors, magazines, clubs that would like to participate will be accommodated. We are trying to make this event one of the largest imported car events in the country. We have enough room for 5,000+ cars, so come one and come all. The show is operated by our community and all proceeds go to local charities and service clubs. The 200-member Fox Cities British Car Club (www.foxbrits.com) will be helping organize the show. Anyone into the parts selling end of the hobby will find many buyers in Iola this year. The car show has a full time office: Contact the staff at 715 445 4000 or www.iolaoldcarshow.com. Or contact me at Gunnellj@TDS.com John Gunnell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jan 31 21:45:22 2009 From: Mike Eldred To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:44:30 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Tonneau Anyone know if a TD full tonneau will fit on a TF? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howit works_012009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive