From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 06:59:32 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: , , Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:59:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] magazine question The Sacred Octagon back issues are available from me. Members are $5.ea., and non-members are $8 - check accepted. Out of USA there is postage charged and CC are accepted - no CC for US orders. Gene Vermont -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TATERRY@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:33 PM To: sumton@sbcglobal.net; Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] magazine question In a message dated 4/30/2009 8:23:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sumton@sbcglobal.net writes: > is there a national magazine that focuses on T cars? > The Sacred Octagon, news magazine of the New England MG T Register....see their web site. Otherwise, books or UK MGCC T Register. Terry in Oakland


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Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 07:01:33 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: "'spook01'" , "'rbhouston'" Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:01:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws Which reminds me - did you read about the "push-by" shooting in London? Two guys pushing a "T" type... LOL -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:22 PM To: rbhouston; Duvall Video Productions; CliveSherriff Cc: MG T List Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws OK, that's it. Let's talk about only MG's....machine guns. that is to say, REAL assault weapons. "The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be heard." - Alfred E. Neuman ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbhouston" To: "Duvall Video Productions" ; "CliveSherriff" Cc: "MG T List" Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > Actually it all depends on whose definition you use. The US anti-gun > folks classify any semi automatic weapon as an assault weapon. My old > 50's Remington 20 gauge shotgun, deadly only to doves in season, would > classify under some of the descriptions. > > Also, at this time, semi-automatic versions of the AK47, M16, and many > others are not illegal in the US. > > Several new derivatives of the M16 introduced in the 70's, are designed > for hunting or target shooting. > > Sorry to chime in late and all, but I couldn't resist. > > Robert Houston....usually about now someone will tell us to only talk > about MGs.... > > > > In a message dated 04/25/09 10:28:32 Mountain Daylight Time, > duvallcom@sbcglobal.net writes: > It was a joke Clive. Assault weapons are illegal in the US and the US > media, who generally are clueless to facts and do no research, call > every gun an assault weapon. > > > > On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Clive Sherriff wrote: > >> Hey John, >> >> Just love the concept of your assault rifle being in the catagory >> of "sporting implements"........ >> >> Clive >> Oxford UK >> =============================== >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnD" >> To: >> Cc: "MG T List" >> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws >> >> >>> I doubt the government will make me give up a perfectly roadworthy >>> MGTD. >>> They'll probably take away my assault rifle and other sporting >>> implements >>> first. . . . . . . . . . :-) >>> -John Deikis >>> Motown >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 08:56:11 2009 From: "spook01" To: "Gene Fodor" , "'rbhouston'" Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:56:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws I heard they were pushing a Triumph!! ;-) MG indeed. A scandalous slur! Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Fodor" To: "'spook01'" ; "'rbhouston'" ; "'Duvall Video Productions'" ; "'CliveSherriff'" Cc: "'MG T List'" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > Which reminds me - did you read about the "push-by" shooting in London? > Two guys pushing a "T" type... LOL > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of spook01 > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:22 PM > To: rbhouston; Duvall Video Productions; CliveSherriff > Cc: MG T List > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > > OK, that's it. Let's talk about only MG's....machine guns. that is to > say, > > REAL assault weapons. > > "The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be > heard." > - Alfred E. Neuman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rbhouston" > To: "Duvall Video Productions" ; "CliveSherriff" > > Cc: "MG T List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > > >> Actually it all depends on whose definition you use. The US anti-gun >> folks classify any semi automatic weapon as an assault weapon. My old >> 50's Remington 20 gauge shotgun, deadly only to doves in season, would >> classify under some of the descriptions. >> >> Also, at this time, semi-automatic versions of the AK47, M16, and many >> others are not illegal in the US. >> >> Several new derivatives of the M16 introduced in the 70's, are designed >> for hunting or target shooting. >> >> Sorry to chime in late and all, but I couldn't resist. >> >> Robert Houston....usually about now someone will tell us to only talk >> about MGs.... >> >> >> >> In a message dated 04/25/09 10:28:32 Mountain Daylight Time, >> duvallcom@sbcglobal.net writes: >> It was a joke Clive. Assault weapons are illegal in the US and the US >> media, who generally are clueless to facts and do no research, call >> every gun an assault weapon. >> >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Clive Sherriff wrote: >> >>> Hey John, >>> >>> Just love the concept of your assault rifle being in the catagory >>> of "sporting implements"........ >>> >>> Clive >>> Oxford UK >>> =============================== >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnD" >>> To: >>> Cc: "MG T List" >>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:45 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws >>> >>> >>>> I doubt the government will make me give up a perfectly roadworthy >>>> MGTD. >>>> They'll probably take away my assault rifle and other sporting >>>> implements >>>> first. . . . . . . . . . :-) >>>> -John Deikis >>>> Motown >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Mg-t@autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >>> >>> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 1 23:45:38 2009 From: David Lodge To: rbhouston , Duvall Video Productions Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 05:45:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range. Aren't they assault weapons? Also type MG into eBay and you'll get MG 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht. Regards, Lodge --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 wrote: > From: spook01 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > To: "rbhouston" , "Duvall Video Productions" , "CliveSherriff" > Cc: "MG T List" > Date: Friday, 1 May, 2009, 4:22 AM > OK, that's it. Let's talk about only > MG's....machine guns. that is to say, REAL assault > weapons. > > "The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free > speech demand to be heard." > - Alfred E. Neuman > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbhouston" > > To: "Duvall Video Productions" > ; "CliveSherriff" > > Cc: "MG T List" > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > > > > Actually it all depends on whose definition you use. > The US anti-gun folks classify any semi automatic weapon as > an assault weapon. My old 50's Remington 20 gauge > shotgun, deadly only to doves in season, would classify > under some of the descriptions. > > > > Also, at this time, semi-automatic versions of the > AK47, M16, and many others are not illegal in the US. > > > > Several new derivatives of the M16 introduced in the > 70's, are designed for hunting or target shooting. > > > > Sorry to chime in late and all, but I couldn't > resist. > > > > Robert Houston....usually about now someone will tell > us to only talk about MGs.... > > > > > > > > In a message dated 04/25/09 10:28:32 Mountain Daylight > Time, duvallcom@sbcglobal.net writes: > > It was a joke Clive. Assault weapons are illegal in > the US and the US > > media, who generally are clueless to facts and do no > research, call > > every gun an assault weapon. > > > > > > > > On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Clive Sherriff wrote: > > > >> Hey John, > >> > >> Just love the concept of your assault rifle being > in the catagory > >> of "sporting implements"........ > >> > >> Clive > >> Oxford UK > >> =============================== > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: > "JohnD" > >> To: > >> Cc: "MG T List" > > >> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:45 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > >> > >> > >>> I doubt the government will make me give up a > perfectly roadworthy > >>> MGTD. > >>> They'll probably take away my assault > rifle and other sporting > >>> implements > >>> first. . . . . . . . . . :-) > >>> -John Deikis > >>> Motown > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Mg-t@autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > >> > >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 2 10:57:41 2009 From: Duvall Video Productions To: emmgeeteecee@yahoo.co.uk Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:57:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a lawyer.... South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them in accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even ones that are inoperable, must be registered with the state. n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic weapons) except with permission of the Treasury dept. Any automatic weapon manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use. There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles. There are civilian versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian ammunition but look just like the military version. It was likely that type of gun not the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that fires big honkin bullets like the military, drug dealers and 3rd world dictators use. A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic weapon. There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon. A weapon is either a tool of defense or assault. A gun is not a weapon when used for sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for eating. The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean. Hillary Clinton is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because semi- automatics are not machine guns (automatic). On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote: > > Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night > about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range. > Aren't they assault weapons? Also type MG into eBay and you'll get > MG 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht. > > Regards, Lodge > > > --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 17:39:07 2009 From: "oliver" To: "00 - MG Ts" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] old tire This tire was the spare on the car (52 TD) we picked up a few weeks ago. I know the car's been in a garage for about 30 years or so; can anyone tell from these how old the tire is (30 years + is not the answer i'm looking for) btw yes i know better than to try to use this! could it be the original spare? it does not match the others on the car (which yes, i also know better than to use) http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3763.JPG http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3766.JPG http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3768.JPG http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3769.JPG _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 18:24:49 2009 From: Duvall Video Productions To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Fwd: old tire Begin forwarded message: > From: Mike Duvall > Date: May 5, 2009 7:23:28 PM CDT > To: oliver > Cc: 00 - MG Ts > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] old tire > > The last 3 digits of the DOT number mean the 2nd month of 1960...... > > PS I named my son Oliver :).... good name! > > On May 5, 2009, at 6:38 PM, oliver wrote: > >> This tire was the spare on the car (52 TD) we picked up a few weeks >> ago. I >> know the car's been in a garage for about 30 years or so; can >> anyone tell from >> these how old the tire is (30 years + is not the answer i'm looking >> for) btw >> yes i know better than to try to use this! could it be the >> original spare? >> it does not match the others on the car (which yes, i also know >> better than to >> use) >> >> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3763.JPG >> >> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3766.JPG >> >> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3768.JPG >> >> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3769.JPG >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 18:46:50 2009 From: Charles Hill To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:46:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Fwd: old tire Mike, DOT code weren't introduced until 1968 so it wouldn't apply to original tires on a '52 TD. Charles Hill Duvall Video Productions wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Mike Duvall >> Date: May 5, 2009 7:23:28 PM CDT >> To: oliver >> Cc: 00 - MG Ts >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] old tire >> >> The last 3 digits of the DOT number mean the 2nd month of 1960...... >> >> PS I named my son Oliver :).... good name! >> >> On May 5, 2009, at 6:38 PM, oliver wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 19:46:53 2009 From: Bud Krueger To: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 19:44:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws Please let this thread die. Duvall Video Productions wrote: > You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a > lawyer.... > > South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them in > accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even ones > that are inoperable, must be registered with the state. > > n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic > weapons) except with permission of the Treasury dept. Any automatic > weapon manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use. > > There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles. There are > civilian versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian > ammunition but look just like the military version. It was likely > that type of gun not the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that > fires big honkin bullets like the military, drug dealers and 3rd world > dictators use. > > A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic weapon. > > There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon. A weapon is > either a tool of defense or assault. A gun is not a weapon when used > for sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for eating. > > The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean. Hillary > Clinton is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because > semi-automatics are not machine guns (automatic). > > > > On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote: > >> >> Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night >> about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range. >> Aren't they assault weapons? Also type MG into eBay and you'll get >> MG 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht. >> >> Regards, Lodge >> >> >> --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 wrote: > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 20:13:02 2009 From: Murray Arundell To: Bud Krueger Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:12:53 +1000 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws Look I know I am going to get well and truly flamed for this...... but here goes anyway. Would the Gun Lobby People please take their argument elsewhere? For goodness sake there can be no reason why any civilized person living in what one assumes is a civilized society needs a machine gun or other type of assault weapon. We have laws in this world to protect innocent people from lunatics with these weapons. To try and argue in favour of the need for such weapons is an insult to the intelligence of the vast majority of people who read this list. The argument put up below is ludicrous. What next? "But Officer, my Ground To Air Missile is not an Assault Weapon because I am using it to hunt birds!" The people who try and push this rubbish down the throat of those of us who are intelligent should try and understand that some of us just may have a loved one who has been a victim of such a weapon, no doubt used only for "sporting" purposes. Perhaps the idiot who wrote this rubbish below would care to debate with a homicidal maniac the definition of sport......? Lets get back to MGs please? Murray Arundell Australia - Where sensible gun laws exist.... As for trying to say that a know for eating On 03/05/2009, at 9:44 AM, Bud Krueger wrote: > Please let this thread die. > > Duvall Video Productions wrote: >> You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a >> lawyer.... >> >> South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them >> in accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even >> ones that are inoperable, must be registered with the state. >> >> n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic >> weapons) except with permission of the Treasury dept. Any >> automatic weapon manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use. >> >> There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles. There are >> civilian versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian >> ammunition but look just like the military version. It was likely >> that type of gun not the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that >> fires big honkin bullets like the military, drug dealers and 3rd >> world dictators use. >> >> A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic >> weapon. >> >> There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon. A weapon >> is either a tool of defense or assault. A gun is not a weapon when >> used for sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for >> eating. >> >> The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean. Hillary >> Clinton is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because semi- >> automatics are not machine guns (automatic). >> >> >> >> On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote: >> >>> >>> Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other >>> night about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a >>> range. Aren't they assault weapons? Also type MG into eBay and >>> you'll get MG 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht. >>> >>> Regards, Lodge >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 21:04:27 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: "Murray Arundell" , "Bud Krueger" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrap page laws <> And they work SO well, Murray !!!! Chi streets get 'sprayed' regularly. Must ALL be from ATF Class III LICENSED folks, huh??? You are, for the most part, correct in that 'normal' citizens have absolutely no NEED nor use of FULL automatic weapons BUT, on the other hand the Police DO 'have a need' and they CAN'T get them !!!! Chicago Police Dept. is in the process of re-arming Officers with SIMI-auto assault-type weapons and NOT even in a decent caliber. And what the He|| good is that when they ARE in a fire fight with the gang bangers (which, VERY UN-fortunately, often ???? Thanks for bring the dead subject BACK up, Bud!! Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 00:19:13 2009 From: "spook01" To: "Duvall Video Productions" , Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:15:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws well said. Best, Ray "The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be heard." - Alfred E. Neuman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duvall Video Productions" To: Cc: "rbhouston" ; "CliveSherriff" ; "spook01" ; "MG T List" Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws > You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a > lawyer.... > > South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them in > accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even ones that > are inoperable, must be registered with the state. > > n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic weapons) > except with permission of the Treasury dept. Any automatic weapon > manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use. > > There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles. There are civilian > versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian ammunition but > look just like the military version. It was likely that type of gun not > the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that fires big honkin bullets > like the military, drug dealers and 3rd world dictators use. > > A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic weapon. > > There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon. A weapon is > either a tool of defense or assault. A gun is not a weapon when used for > sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for eating. > > The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean. Hillary Clinton > is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because semi- automatics are > not machine guns (automatic). > > > > On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote: > >> >> Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night >> about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range. >> Aren't they assault weapons? Also type MG into eBay and you'll get MG >> 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht. >> >> Regards, Lodge >> >> >> --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 wrote: _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 05:49:19 2009 From: "Dallas Congleton" To: "Murray Arundell" , "Bud Krueger" Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:49:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control Not to belabor the gun law argument, but for those that haven't really thought about it and like to fell warm and fuzzy, read the following before you agree with people like Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. A LITTLE GUN HISTORY In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: List of 7 items: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns! While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it. You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A FULLY-AUTOMATIC RIFLE. SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A FULLY-AUTOMATIC RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. IT'S A NO-BRAINER- DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 06:33:41 2009 From: "Larry Shoer" To: "List" Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:30:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be further verified). ------------------------- "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws. In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder by all means dropped 13.7%. Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws. In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998. Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998. Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined." ------------------------- Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked. Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so. I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise and baggage of a chaotic world. Larry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 08:40:40 2009 From: Bob Howard To: sumton@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:37:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] old tire Hi Oliver, It's probably not the original spare. I checked the spare that I know to be original on my car that was built November 1952. Mine lacks the identification number that you show in photo 3768. Send a pic of the tread. I can compare it to my Gold Seal tread pattern. Bob On Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:55 -0500 "oliver" writes: > This tire was the spare on the car (52 TD) we picked up a few weeks ____________________________________________________________ Free information - Learn about Criminal Lawyers. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoJBXJYouVWk1sUTE3NDeWUpHjO7mNRpFieHYuW1bB9vdY1doqM/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 09:26:40 2009 From: "Dallas Congleton" To: "Larry Shoer" , "List" Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:26:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" , and are open to factual analysis- maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports- Here is a link- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304 Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for politics, etc and .... I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible- this was information for independent thinkers Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Shoer" To: "List" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control > Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking > facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I > quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly > not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be > further verified). > > ------------------------- > > "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws. > > In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws > becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder > by all means dropped 13.7%. > > Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws. > In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998. > > Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of > assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998. > > Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following > the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in > 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the > six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS > statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined." > > ------------------------- > > Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked. > Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so. > > I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in > the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise > and baggage of a chaotic world. > > Larry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 09:34:34 2009 From: Raj Thadani To: , , Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:30:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control Does anyone know of an email list meant for MG T Series cars? I seem to be caught in a "crossfire" list! ;-) > From: dcongleton@embarqmail.com > To: LarryShoer@comcast.net; mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:26:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control > > Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" , > and are open to factual analysis- > > maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports- > Here is a link- > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304 > > Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for > politics, etc and .... > I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible- > > this was information for independent thinkers > Dallas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Shoer" > To: "List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control > > > > Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking > > facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I > > quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly > > not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be > > further verified). > > > > ------------------------- > > > > "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws. > > > > In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws > > becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder > > by all means dropped 13.7%. > > > > Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws. > > In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998. > > > > Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of > > assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998. > > > > Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following > > the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in > > 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the > > six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS > > statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined." > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked. > > Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so. > > > > I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in > > the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise > > and baggage of a chaotic world. > > > > Larry > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 09:34:36 2009 From: Mike Eldred To: , , Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:31:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control Unless you happen to be like me - a liberal gun-nut. > From: dcongleton@embarqmail.com > To: LarryShoer@comcast.net; mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:26:28 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control > > Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" , > and are open to factual analysis- > > maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports- > Here is a link- > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304 > > Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for > politics, etc and .... > I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible- > > this was information for independent thinkers > Dallas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Shoer" > To: "List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control > > > > Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking > > facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I > > quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly > > not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be > > further verified). > > > > ------------------------- > > > > "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws. > > > > In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws > > becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder > > by all means dropped 13.7%. > > > > Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws. > > In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998. > > > > Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of > > assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998. > > > > Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following > > the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in > > 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the > > six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS > > statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined." > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked. > > Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so. > > > > I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in > > the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise > > and baggage of a chaotic world. > > > > Larry > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_WhatsNew1_052009 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 10:19:20 2009 From: JohnD To: Dallas Congleton Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:17:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control C'mon! Let's drop it. I'm wearing out my delete key! JohnD On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dallas Congleton wrote: > Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" > , and are open to factual analysis- > > maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports- > Here is a link- > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304 > > Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for > politics, etc and .... > I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible- > > this was information for independent thinkers > Dallas > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Shoer" > To: "List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control > > > Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking >> facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I >> quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly >> not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be >> further verified). >> >> ------------------------- >> >> "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws. >> >> In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws >> becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder >> by all means dropped 13.7%. >> >> Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws. >> In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998. >> >> Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of >> assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998. >> >> Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following >> the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in >> 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the >> six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS >> statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined." >> >> ------------------------- >> >> Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked. >> Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so. >> >> I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in >> the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise >> and baggage of a chaotic world. >> >> Larry >> > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > -- Racing in the Past Lane! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 19:05:15 2009 From: dhhall@bellsouth.net To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 00:18:38 +0000 Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to repaint it the original ivory. Does anyone have a paint code for modern paints that would be equivalent? It will be a color coat/clear coat paint job. Thanks, David _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 20:36:32 2009 From: Bud Krueger To: dhhall@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:22:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original ivory paint Have a look at http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm. Bud Krueger dhhall@bellsouth.net wrote: > I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to repaint it the original ivory. Does anyone have a paint code for modern paints that would be equivalent? It will be a color coat/clear coat paint job. Thanks, David > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 21:22:43 2009 From: Ted Jackson To: Dallas Congleton Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:27:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control I'm sure there are a lot of lists where pro-gun and anti-gun can get together and try to convince one another. However this list ought not to be one of them. It's where I go for MG-T knowledge. If you can't find a better place for your debate maybe you could start an NRA-MG-T list. Ted Jackson 1951 MGTD #5554 On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dallas Congleton wrote: > Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" > , and are open to factual analysis- > > maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports- > Here is a link- > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304 > > Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for > politics, etc and .... > I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible- > > this was information for independent thinkers > Dallas > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Shoer" > To: "List" > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control > > > Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking >> facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I >> quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly >> not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be >> further verified). >> >> ------------------------- >> >> "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws. >> >> In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws >> becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder >> by all means dropped 13.7%. >> >> Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws. >> In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998. >> >> Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of >> assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998. >> >> Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following >> the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in >> 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the >> six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS >> statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined." >> >> ------------------------- >> >> Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked. >> Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so. >> >> I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in >> the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise >> and baggage of a chaotic world. >> >> Larry >> > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > -- Ted Jackson _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 6 22:10:06 2009 From: "oliver" To: "T series list" Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:19:38 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] tach hi. 52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after changing all the fluids). tach didn't work tach worked tach doesn't work where should i start? sorry - i'm really new to these cars. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 18:57:49 2009 From: John Seim To: dhhall@bellsouth.net Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:13:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original ivory paint MG Color Name ICI Ditzler Rinshed/Mason Cream (TA/TB) 80203 BM126 Sequoia Cream/Ivory 4138 or 2700 80203 BM127 Ivory 2752 DDL 81271 BM 127 Dupont 83449 Here are the original paint codes. As modern paint have different pigment base, even with the correct paint code, you will not get an exact match to the color. Best to locate an area with the original paint, buff it out, and see if you are happy with that color. Go to a paint store, and have them match to your sample. John Seim Irvine, CA On May 6, 2009, at 5:18 PM, dhhall@bellsouth.net wrote: > I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to > repaint it the original ivory. Does anyone have a paint code for > modern paints that would be equivalent? It will be a color coat/ > clear coat paint job. Thanks, David > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 18:58:08 2009 From: John Seim To: oliver Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:22:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] tach Chances are that you have a magnetic tachometer. Magnets attached to the backside. Unit is dirty, needs to be cleaned and oiled. You can send it out for repair to: MG Services Heathrow 34 Fulmer Drive, Gerrads Cross, Buckinghamshire SL9 7HL APT Instruments (Charles) 9632 Humbolt Ave. So., Bloomington, MN 55431 952-881-7095 MO-MA 1321 2nd St. N.W. Albuquerque, N.M. 505-766-6661 Nisonger Instrument 570 Mamaroneck Ave., Mamaroneck, N.Y. 914-381-1952 The Whitworth Shop ( Craig Seabrook) 14444 Watt Rd., Novelty, OH 44072 440-338-5950 West Valley Instruments 19314 Van Owen Blvd., Reseda, CA 91335 818-758-9500 Or, if you want it restored to like new showroom condition, send it to: Vintage Restorations The Old Bakery, Windmill Street, Turnbridge Wells, Kent, England TN2 4UU 011-44-1892-525899 John Seim Irvine, CA On May 6, 2009, at 8:19 PM, oliver wrote: > hi. > > 52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after > changing all the fluids). > > tach didn't work > > tach worked > > tach doesn't work > > where should i start? > > sorry - i'm really new to these cars. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 18:59:05 2009 From: Bob Howard To: sumton@sbcglobal.net Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:17:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] tach Hi Oliver, Tach is driven by the dynamo through the little gearbox at the back. If you unscrew the tach cable from the gearbox you should be able to see the end of the output shaft turning. If it's not turning, either the gearbox is loose on the dynamo or gearbox is at fault. If it is turning, then reconnect cable and see if the top end of cable is turning at the tach itself. If cable is turning, the trouble is in the instrument itself. Send it out to Moma Engineering or Nisonger to have it mended. Be very careful when removing the curved glass; it is difficult to find replacement. Bob On Wed, 6 May 2009 22:19:38 -0500 "oliver" writes: > hi. > > 52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after > changing all > the fluids). > > tach didn't work > > tach worked > > tach doesn't work > > where should i start? > > sorry - i'm really new to these cars. ____________________________________________________________ Click to get your online credit check report & score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIjD5J8OCXawPX7VDLsSC3eWd7xedczrVeELHmgBQr5W7mMuCHut6/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 18:59:47 2009 From: To: "oliver" , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:15:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] tach Hi Oliver, You have a cable coming off the back of the generator to run the tach mechanically. The easiest place to start is to unscrew the cable from the tach gearbox at the back of the generator and pull the inner cable out. If its broken, there's at least part of the problem. Alternatively, reach up behind the dash and find the cable going into the back of the tach. Unscrew it there and see if it turns while the engine is running. Pull it out to check if its broken. If all is well there, you may have a problem inside the tach. I'll leave that for others to comment on, as to rebuilders and such. Pete Thiel '53 TD ----- Original Message ----- From: "oliver" To: "T series list" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: [Mg-t] tach hi. 52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after changing all the fluids). tach didn't work tach worked tach doesn't work where should i start? sorry - i'm really new to these cars. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 18:59:48 2009 From: Tuck Southworth To: , Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original ivory paint David, The June 96 issue of TSO contains probably the most comprehensive article on MG T paint that you will find anywhere. Included are paint chips, codes, various types of paints used on the cars and the cross codes to modern paint companies. The Dupont code for Ivory is listed as 83449 but you might find it now listed as B8819. Contact me off the list if you'd like a copy of the article. > From: dhhall@bellsouth.net > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:18:38 +0000 > Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint > > I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to repaint it the original ivory. Does anyone have a paint code for modern paints that would be equivalent? It will be a color coat/clear coat paint job. Thanks, David > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 9 20:18:52 2009 From: Charlie Baldwin To: "'Healeys'" Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 21:26:12 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original ivory paint Another option would be to contact William Wolf in Ohio( http://www.williamwolf.com/autorest.htm )and purchase a spray can of the original color in the original nitrocellulose and have your auto local paint store spray it and match the color. Actually, they could probably do all that for you or work something else out with them. Charlie John Seim wrote: > MG Color Name ICI Ditzler Rinshed/Mason > > Cream (TA/TB) 80203 BM126 > > Sequoia Cream/Ivory 4138 or 2700 80203 BM127 > Ivory 2752 DDL 81271 BM 127 > Dupont 83449 > > Here are the original paint codes. As modern paint have different > pigment base, even with the correct paint code, you will not get an > exact match to the color. Best to locate an area with the original > paint, buff it out, and see if you are happy with that color. Go to a > paint store, and have them match to your sample. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA > > On May 6, 2009, at 5:18 PM, dhhall@bellsouth.net wrote: > > >> I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to >> repaint it the original ivory. Does anyone have a paint code for >> modern paints that would be equivalent? It will be a color coat/ >> clear coat paint job. Thanks, David >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 22:29:42 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: "'MG T List'" Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] FW: Non-T, but Brit... I have no specific interest in this car, but it was on my Vermont list. Cheers Gene Hi, Larry Hamel called me this morning. He and his son started a 1977 B project. It turns out that it was more than they could handle. He wants to send it to a good home. It sounds like it may be parts only, but I have not seen it. His numbers are 802-917-2886, 802-472-6350 or you can email him at lwhamel@aol.com. I have an original early B steering wheel, restored rostyles and a set of restored wires and hubs for a B. give me a shout if interested. Getting ready to put my next project on the road. Guy J. Guy Isabelle, Director RSVP and the Volunteer Center for Central Vermont and Northeast Kingdom and the Vermont Senior Companion Program Lover of British Cars especially MGBs and all flowers Phone- 802-828-4770 Fax 802-828-5476 Email-mgdaddy105@aol.com Web- volunteervt.com bThis email may contain confidential information. If you think you have received this message in error, please notify the sender, delete the message, and refrain from distributing it further. 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See yours in just 2 easy steps! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 14 22:30:08 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:33:17 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts i took the hood off because one of the chrome pieces was broken. there are nice big screws at the back of the hood, but little tiny screw headed bolts at the front, that don't seem to catch. were there nuts and they are now gone or do i need bigger bolts or what? i've looked at the moss catalong and i can't see a detail there. thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 15 00:44:55 2009 From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: oliver Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:43:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts Oliver, If you can get to a company that carries aircraft fasteners, ask them for 10 - 32 flathead with 1000 counter sink. That will give you a large head with a shallow depth. Cheers, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 15 04:47:03 2009 From: "oliver" To: , Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] paint are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or rustoleum) for the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint? is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars? thanks! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 15 07:14:52 2009 From: Bob Howard To: sumton@sbcglobal.net Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:39:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts The parts book does not detail this either. My car has flat-head machine screws through the bracket that have washers & nuts underneath, between metal and the rubber strip. Needle-nose pliers or tweezers are handy to hold the nuts in place to get the machine screws started. Bob On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:33:17 -0500 "oliver" writes: > i took the hood off because one of the chrome pieces was broken. > > there are nice big screws at the back of the hood, but little tiny > screw > headed bolts at the front, that don't seem to catch. were there > nuts and > they are now gone or do i need bigger bolts or what? i've looked at > the > moss catalong and i can't see a detail there. > > thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Compete with the big boys. 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As color memory is unreliable, one makes a good try at matching body original paint that is hidden in an enclosed area (behind the interior trim, inside doors, etc). Engine paint is affected by heat, water, oil, gas, time, degreasers, etc. The most protected area of engine paint would seem to be on the back toward the clutch, but who is to say today what the color was in 1952. Marcham Rhoade ( Ken Smith ) in his book Aspects of Abingdon, devotes a number of pages to paint and paint rectification of MGBs. In one section he mentions rectification artists with palettes of paint used to touch up cars. One infers that MGB colors were not consistent, some years after the TDs were built. Bob On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 "oliver" writes: > are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or > rustoleum) for > the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint? > > is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change > tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars? > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoLjvQaK9IKui6J1lbVQ6SgJwUrbaCaScir6heODX4DWmZUVKQA/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 15 21:30:05 2009 From: "John Quilter" To: "MG T List" Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:30:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts And if you want to be really fancy you could go with stainless bolts and nuts which are available at good hardware stores or West Marine outlets. John Quilter Brisbane, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Howard" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts > The parts book does not detail this either. > My car has flat-head machine screws through the bracket that have > washers & nuts underneath, between metal and the rubber strip. > Needle-nose pliers or tweezers are handy to hold the nuts in place to get > the machine screws started. > Bob > > > > > On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:33:17 -0500 "oliver" > writes: > > i took the hood off because one of the chrome pieces was broken. > > > > there are nice big screws at the back of the hood, but little tiny > > screw > > headed bolts at the front, that don't seem to catch. were there > > nuts and > > they are now gone or do i need bigger bolts or what? i've looked at > > the > > moss catalong and i can't see a detail there. > > > > thanks. > ____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTI97vkTtqZnv8l9wT15JLt0A6Y mQr3Qn39TCHKTK6IFhncKAbMVos/ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 16 07:31:39 2009 From: "Lew Palmer" To: "'Bob Howard'" , Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:37:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint Bob, I have recently been repainting some TD wheels and have tried without success to find any supplied of the correct silver-gray paint. You mention Ford Argent, but that is not showing up in any manufacturer's books. Also, there is no current reference to any of the paint codes on "The Original MG TD" web site. Does anyone have a color formula for the Ford Argent? Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Howard Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:06 AM To: sumton@sbcglobal.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint For the wheels TD - MGB, Duplicolor Ford Argent is a good match. For the TD engine maroon, everyone seems to have different memories. Some prefer the Moss color. Some like the Duplicolor truck paint #278 Dark Canyon Red. For the rocker cover, the Moss paint is considered best match. It was not a pure silver silver, rather one that had a bit of greenish tint. Colors were not as consistent 50 years ago as they are today. As color memory is unreliable, one makes a good try at matching body original paint that is hidden in an enclosed area (behind the interior trim, inside doors, etc). Engine paint is affected by heat, water, oil, gas, time, degreasers, etc. The most protected area of engine paint would seem to be on the back toward the clutch, but who is to say today what the color was in 1952. Marcham Rhoade ( Ken Smith ) in his book Aspects of Abingdon, devotes a number of pages to paint and paint rectification of MGBs. In one section he mentions rectification artists with palettes of paint used to touch up cars. One infers that MGB colors were not consistent, some years after the TDs were built. Bob On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 "oliver" writes: > are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or > rustoleum) for > the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint? > > is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change > tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars? > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoLjvQaK9IKui6J1lbVQ6SgJ wUrbaCaScir6heODX4DWmZUVKQA/ Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 17 21:45:43 2009 From: "John Quilter" To: Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] MGTD hood top available I was at a local car meet today with my 1951 MGTD and a former owner of a TD approached me saying she had found a pair of hood tops in her garage attic left over from her late husband's MGTD hobby. They were removed from the car in 1954 and stored ever since as the owner replaced the stock hood with a louvered one. These hood tops are in MG cream and are for sale, price negotiable. Contact Pat Davis at youngonce@sbcglobal.net or at 510-278-7600 if interested. They are located in San Lorenzo California. John Quilter Brisbane, California 1951 MGTD 1960 Morris Minor 1969 Austin America 1965 Jaguar 3.8S _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 09:03:03 2009 From: Bob Howard To: lpalmer@roundaboutmanor.com Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:32:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint Hi Lew, It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it. I used my last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed that a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available. Apparently not, alas. On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti-Kote GM 7161 that seems about right. The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out. The Ford color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or Rustoleum sprays. If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem that poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck, at the auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does not matter. Next time I am in NAPA, I will look. Bob On Sat, 16 May 2009 08:37:58 -0500 "Lew Palmer" writes: > Bob, > > I have recently been repainting some TD wheels and have tried > without > success to find any supplied of the correct silver-gray paint. You > mention > Ford Argent, but that is not showing up in any manufacturer's books. > Also, > there is no current reference to any of the paint codes on "The > Original MG > TD" web site. > > Does anyone have a color formula for the Ford Argent? > > Cheers, > Lew Palmer > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bob Howard > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:06 AM > To: sumton@sbcglobal.net > Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; Mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint > > For the wheels TD - MGB, Duplicolor Ford Argent is a good > match. > For the TD engine maroon, everyone seems to have different > memories. > Some prefer the Moss color. Some like the Duplicolor truck paint > #278 > Dark Canyon Red. > For the rocker cover, the Moss paint is considered best match. It > was > not a pure silver silver, rather one that had a bit of greenish > tint. > Colors were not as consistent 50 years ago as they are today. As > color > memory is unreliable, one makes a good try at matching body > original > paint that is hidden in an enclosed area (behind the interior trim, > inside doors, etc). Engine paint is affected by heat, water, oil, > gas, > time, degreasers, etc. The most protected area of engine paint would > seem > to be on the back toward the clutch, but who is to say today what > the > color was in 1952. > Marcham Rhoade ( Ken Smith ) in his book Aspects of Abingdon, > devotes > a number of pages to paint and paint rectification of MGBs. In one > section he mentions rectification artists with palettes of paint > used to > touch up cars. One infers that MGB colors were not consistent, > some > years after the TDs were built. > Bob > > > > On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 "oliver" > writes: > > are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or > > rustoleum) for > > the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint? > > > > is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change > > > tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars? > > > > thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Criminal Lawyers - Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTOVoLjvQaK9IKui6J1lbVQ6 SgJ > wUrbaCaScir6heODX4DWmZUVKQA/ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 09:25:36 2009 From: Bob Howard To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:22:42 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] LED tail lights 1157 bulbs in our TD round tail lights are not very bright. Halogen lights are far brighter, but they draw a lot of power and get very hot. Would LEDs fit and would they supply adequate light? I installed Superbrightleds.com BA 15-24 Red in the TD this weekend. Yes and yes to both questions. They fit into the recess of the reflector with no room wasted, and they are just as bright as, if not even brighter than, the halogens according to the neighbor in adjacent driveway. Ammeter discharge was -6 with sidelamps and tail lamps using halogen bulbs; it's now about -1.5 with the LEDs in the tail lamps, the LEDs illuminate noticeably faster when brake is applied and the discharge is about .2 A. Bob ____________________________________________________________ Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMPaAizXMrMeTibggBvVrJJrRj6rQbKlcWM25DbevqWXzXEQheLdu/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 10:03:27 2009 From: Duvall Video Productions To: Bob Howard Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:01:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] LED tail lights If you have positive ground they won't work..... On May 18, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Bob Howard wrote: > 1157 bulbs in our TD round tail lights are not very bright. Halogen > lights are far brighter, but they draw a lot of power and get very > hot. > Would LEDs fit and would they supply adequate light? > I installed Superbrightleds.com BA 15-24 Red in the TD this > weekend. Yes and yes to both questions. They fit into the recess of > the > reflector with no room wasted, and they are just as bright as, if not > even brighter than, the halogens according to the neighbor in adjacent > driveway. > Ammeter discharge was -6 with sidelamps and tail lamps using halogen > bulbs; it's now about -1.5 with the LEDs in the tail lamps, the LEDs > illuminate noticeably faster when brake is applied and the discharge > is > about .2 A. > > Bob > ____________________________________________________________ > Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new > heights! Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMPaAizXMrMeTibggBvVrJJrRj6rQbKlcWM25DbevqWXzXEQheLdu/ > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 10:53:17 2009 From: Duvall Video Productions To: Bob Howard Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:52:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint Try your Ford dealer. They used to sell a spray can of under the Motorcraft name..... On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote: > Hi Lew, > It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it. I > used my > last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed > that > a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available. > Apparently not, alas. On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- > Kote GM > 7161 that seems about right. > The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but > when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out. The > Ford > color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or > Rustoleum sprays. If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem > that > poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck, at the > auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does > not > matter. Next time I am in NAPA, I will look. > Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 11:05:07 2009 From: Duvall Video Productions To: "Ed's Shop" ,"Spridgets" Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:04:41 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint Also try Eastwood for wheel paint. http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=96&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=410&iSubCat=411&iProductID=96 On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote: > Hi Lew, > It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it. I > used my > last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed > that > a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available. > Apparently not, alas. On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- > Kote GM > 7161 that seems about right. > The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but > when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out. The > Ford > color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or > Rustoleum sprays. If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem > that > poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck, at the > auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does > not > matter. Next time I am in NAPA, I will look. > Bob _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 11:34:52 2009 From: Gerald Felper To: Duvall Video Productions Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:33:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint Krylon- Dull Gray is very close On May 18, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Duvall Video Productions wrote: > Also try Eastwood for wheel paint. > > http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp? > itemID=96&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=410&iSubCat=411&iProductID=96 > > > On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote: > >> Hi Lew, >> It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it. I >> used my >> last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and >> assumed that >> a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available. >> Apparently not, alas. On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- >> Kote GM >> 7161 that seems about right. >> The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but >> when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out. The >> Ford >> color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or >> Rustoleum sprays. If you can't find the Ford argent, it would >> seem that >> poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck, at >> the >> auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it >> does not >> matter. Next time I am in NAPA, I will look. >> Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Gerald Felper Felper Engineering felperg@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 18 18:49:16 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: "Lew Palmer" , "'Bob Howard'" Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:45:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint <> Odd Lew, did YOU (or any other of the LAZY folks) try a Google search??? Rhetoric question I guess because Geesh, 10 seconds for Firefox to open (several other programs running), 13 keystrokes (@7 seconds), + another .015 secs 'waiting' for Google Search results = returns 334,000 hits. I don't 'need' any right now, so I WILL let you folks do the rest of the (VERY 'hard') work.!! Ed PS: I did 'cheat' tho as I DO have the Google Search Bar which IS free. LOL _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 05:55:15 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: "'Ed's Shop'" , "'Lew Palmer'" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:54:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint Listers ... when "Eliot" arrived, the previous owner had tried to chrome the wheels and did a terrible job. I removed, what was left of the chrome job and paint and used NAPA DAL 679 Silver M and NAPA DAL 1695 Clear Coat Lacquer The wheels look great. Gene '53 TD Unrestored South Hero, VT -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed's Shop Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:46 PM To: Lew Palmer; 'Bob Howard'; sumton@sbcglobal.net Cc: mgs@autox.team.net; Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint <> Odd Lew, did YOU (or any other of the LAZY folks) try a Google search??? Rhetoric question I guess because Geesh, 10 seconds for Firefox to open (several other programs running), 13 keystrokes (@7 seconds), + another .015 secs 'waiting' for Google Search results = returns 334,000 hits. I don't 'need' any right now, so I WILL let you folks do the rest of the (VERY 'hard') work.!! Ed PS: I did 'cheat' tho as I DO have the Google Search Bar which IS free. LOL Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 10:18:24 2009 From: Peter Caldwell To: mgs@autox.team.net,Mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:17:40 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD part needed Customer needs the short front Girling shock mounting bolt. Anyone have one to sell, or know a source? Thanks Peter C _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 10:23:05 2009 From: Peter Caldwell To: mgs@autox.team.net,Mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:22:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] TD part needed Uh..... Never mind. Thanx === At 11:17 AM 5/19/2009, Peter Caldwell wrote: >Customer needs the short front Girling shock mounting bolt. > >Anyone have one to sell, or know a source? > >Thanks > >Peter C _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 16:03:37 2009 From: "Eugene D Abbondelo" To: ,"Lawrie Alexander" Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:58:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light" Lawrie: Our cousins seem to call them "Inspection lamps" or "Inspection lights" A quick search on UK Ebay under classic car parts shows 5 for sale, but I didn't look at each description to see if it fits your needs. Gregory's autoparts in the UK (http://www.gregorysautoparts.co.uk) also has them for sale. Search under "Inspection lamps" I've purchased a number of items from them for my 1935 Singer LeMans and they are very good, as is Paul Becks. Gene >>> "Lawrie Alexander" 5/19/2009 5:32 PM >>> Hi, folks, I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under the bonnet. His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one of the correct lamps. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Lawrie Alexander Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 17:27:22 2009 From: "Douglas Ormrod" To: "Eugene D Abbondelo" , , "Lawrie Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:27:04 +1200 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light" Made by Lucas one here on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-CLASSIC-CAR-LUCAS-INSPECTION-LIGHT-LAMP-TOOL KIT_W0QQitemZ380124998740QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarPar ts_SM?hash=item5881372c54&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 The little lucas two-pin plugs are hard to find - often cost more than the lamp! Cheers Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Eugene D Abbondelo Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:59 AM To: mg-t@autox.team.net; Lawrie Alexander Cc: MMM Group Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light" Lawrie: Our cousins seem to call them "Inspection lamps" or "Inspection lights" A quick search on UK Ebay under classic car parts shows 5 for sale, but I didn't look at each description to see if it fits your needs. Gregory's autoparts in the UK (http://www.gregorysautoparts.co.uk) also has them for sale. Search under "Inspection lamps" I've purchased a number of items from them for my 1935 Singer LeMans and they are very good, as is Paul Becks. Gene >>> "Lawrie Alexander" 5/19/2009 5:32 PM >>> Hi, folks, I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under the bonnet. His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one of the correct lamps. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Lawrie Alexander Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 19:02:56 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:01:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light" <> The absolute BEST portable/re-chargeable IS made by Snap-On and may be found in your friendly Ace Hardware!!! Wife gave me one for Xmas and after initial 'charge', the thing IS WITHOUT a doubt the BRIGHTEST light in my shop and VERY portable !!! And holds a charge for a VERY long time. And at $40 I bought a couple MORE for the shop & cars !!! Cords for lites ?? I don't NEED no stinking cords !!! LOL http://tinyurl.com/pp554o OR http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2639677&cp=&sr=1&kw=s nap-on&origkw=snap-on&parentPage=search&searchId=38035612583 <> Radio Shack has them. Somebody please forward to the MMM List as it IS one of the few I'm on!! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 19 19:20:49 2009 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=" To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:20:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?iso-8859-1?q?Accessory_=22trouble_light=22?= Thanks to everyone for the useful information. Per Chris Nowlan's suggestion, I've told my customer to contact his local Lucas dealer. I've also relayed to him the other, perhaps more helpful, suggestions ....... I do appreciate this list .... you guys are great! Lawrie (Chris ... you're still on my "A" list!!) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 06:54:15 2009 From: Charlie Baldwin To: Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:54:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light" You could also check with any of the guys that sell original British car tools that came with the cars when new. I know of a couple, one of which I'd have to find his name; the other is called Liverpool Motor Works owned by Jerry LaBant in Liverpool, PA. Jerry specializes in the factory supplied "accessories" like this and also period after market accessories and automobilia. http://www.liverpoolmotorworks.com/ Charlie Eugene D Abbondelo wrote: > Lawrie: > > Our cousins seem to call them "Inspection lamps" or "Inspection lights" A > quick search on UK Ebay under classic car parts shows 5 for sale, but I didn't > look at each description to see if it fits your needs. > > Gregory's autoparts in the UK (http://www.gregorysautoparts.co.uk) also has > them for sale. Search under "Inspection lamps" > I've purchased a number of items from them for my 1935 Singer LeMans and they > are very good, as is Paul Becks. > > Gene > > > >>>> "Lawrie Alexander" 5/19/2009 5:32 PM >>> >>>> > Hi, folks, > > I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into > the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones > with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under > the bonnet. > > His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name > (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong > lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one > of the correct lamps. > > Any help or insight would be appreciated. > > Lawrie Alexander > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 20 10:51:07 2009 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: , , Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:49:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" Don, >>>5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. <<< This indicates that this was a (probably) world War II UK Royal Air Force Air Ministry (A.M.) item, hence too the crown signifying government property. 5c/xxx is typical for many small aircraft electrical parts such as switches. Clive Oxford UK ======================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" > Lawrie, > My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and > plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and > "Roadside Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION > MKII > Ref no. > 5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too much! > Hope this helps > Don B. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 22 19:39:43 2009 From: Emgeeguy@aol.com To: duvallcom@sbcglobal.net, mgbob@juno.com Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:18:24 EDT Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint I have some paint in the garage for TD wheels, If I remember when I get home I;ll look for it. I'm in Phoenix, AZ on a consulting assignment. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 22 21:09:29 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:43:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint <> er WRONG time of the year, huh? WHY couldn't happen in Nov, Dec, Jan or Feb?!?!?!?! LOL _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 08:06:45 2009 From: gunnellj@athenet.net To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods Hi Mates We have discussed this previously, debating whteher the "long" push rods Moss sells would work in my rebuilt XPAG engine with the Crane cam and the machined head. The debate is over. The rocker arm assembly came back from Rocker Arm Specialists and when we installed in the push rods were too long. I immediately cell-phoned Moss at 6pm central time. They had no techs available then. The order taker said they no longer have the short push rods. They come up on the computer as "looking for a manufacturer." Of course, since the long push rods are three times the price, they may not be looking too hard. Oh, well. So as I was told earlier, I need to have the "long" push rods I bought machined down to size. What I am looking for is specifuics. How does the machine shop take the long rods apart so they can macvhine them? They may know the answer at the shop, but sometimes you just get a blank look as they are not used to doing such work every day. Also, I'm assuming the measurement listed in a note in the Moss catalog is the one to use. Any advice will be appreciated. John Gunnell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 23 18:36:07 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:10:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods <> John, did you get my PM from today & sent at 11:33 AM CDT ??? Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 24 12:43:13 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: "00 - MG Ts" Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:22:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods <> John, PM has been sent !!! Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 15:50:25 2009 From: Mike Duvall To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mgs@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:28:54 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD front axle I discovered my TD 2541 has a big washer between the bearing and nut and no grease hub cap. I discovered the washer rides up onto the bearing and the washer wears and causes heat. I looked in the mg manual and it shows (section I figure 1.2) a felt washer, grease retaining washer and nut. and section K.16 talks about a service kit for cars without a hub to stop grease leakage. I don't understand how a felt washer would let you torque the nut properly. Moss shows washer and nut with grease cap. I'm assuming my best path would be to torque the nut and then try to find a way to seal the hub or just keep it clean. Anybody else have a better idea or know a different solution? I'm also assuming moss's grease cap won't fit the early car. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 25 16:51:34 2009 From: "Bob Grunau" To: "Mike Duvall" , , Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:27:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD front axle Mike, The big washer should be dished so it does not contact the outer bearing race when the nut is tight. A flat washer will contact the outer race and wear and cause problems. If you change to sealed wheel bearings, no need to worry about the felt washer etc. Measure the inside diameter of the wheel hub and find a grease cap that fits or make one, plastic aerosol can lid? The TD wheel hub cap will keep most of the dirt away from the bearing. Bob Grunau TD owner since 18 Jan. 1958. -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mike Duvall Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:29 PM To: mg-t@autox.team.net; mgs@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD front axle I discovered my TD 2541 has a big washer between the bearing and nut and no grease hub cap. I discovered the washer rides up onto the bearing and the washer wears and causes heat. I looked in the mg manual and it shows (section I figure 1.2) a felt washer, grease retaining washer and nut. and section K.16 talks about a service kit for cars without a hub to stop grease leakage. I don't understand how a felt washer would let you torque the nut properly. Moss shows washer and nut with grease cap. I'm assuming my best path would be to torque the nut and then try to find a way to seal the hub or just keep it clean. Anybody else have a better idea or know a different solution? I'm also assuming moss's grease cap won't fit the early car. Thanks, Mike Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 08:36:59 2009 From: Bob Howard To: gunnellj@athenet.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:13:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods Hi John, When we found it necessary to shorten the Crane pushrods, removal of one end ( it may have been the ball end, but I do not remember with certainty) pulled right out of the tube; the end was not spot welded. Use the catalogue measurement as a place to begin, but fit the gasket, head and rocker assy loosely so that you can check the necessary length of the pushrod to fit your engine. Bob On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:47:26 -0400 gunnellj@athenet.net writes: > Hi Mates > > We have discussed this previously, debating whteher the "long" push > rods Moss sells would work in my rebuilt XPAG engine with the Crane > cam and the machined head. > > The debate is over. The rocker arm assembly came back from Rocker > Arm Specialists and when we installed in the push rods were too > long. ____________________________________________________________ All is not lost! 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John Seim Irvine, CA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 12:42:59 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: "00 - SPM@autoX" , "00 - Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW >From SEMA & for ALL Penseltuckians!!! Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from needing a certificate of inspection before being registered. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 20:08:33 2009 From: David Lodge To: John Seim , Madhusudhanan Paroor Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:48:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods Hello John, i hear solder works. Regards, Lodge --- On Tue, 26/5/09, Madhusudhanan Paroor wrote: From: Madhusudhanan Paroor Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods To: "John Seim" Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "MG" Date: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 5:30 PM Hi John, Did any body tell you that you can weld, or use epoxy etc on a push rod ? It is beyond my fantasy. Please do get another used or new one. It is cheaper than a broken XPAG !!! Madhu On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM, John Seim wrote: > > > What is the best recommended method for attaching the components of > a push rod together. Weld, epoxy, or ? > I've got some with a loose end. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 1 New Photos Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Yahoo! Groups Stay healthy and discover other people who can help. . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 26 20:40:28 2009 From: "John Quilter" To: "MG T List" Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:18:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW As one who closely follows automotive legislation regarding classic or antique cars in California I would be very interested to know if under PA laws exemption from state inspection includes exemption from emissions testing. In California there is no inspection other than the biannual emissions test (which is quite strict and now includes a fuel vapor loss test). All cars back to 1976 model year are subject to test. IIRC cars newer than 4 years are exempted. A revision to the law is pending in Sacramento that would require annual versus biannual testing for all cars over 15 years old back to 1976 model year. Assembly Bill 859. The costs of the test run from $50 to $80. John Quilter Brisbane, California 1951 MGTD 1960 Morris Minor 1969 Austin America 1965 Jaguar 3.8S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Baldwin" To: "Ed's Shop" ; "T series list" ; "healey list" Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW > Ed, > That is good news, but in PA "classic cars" are defined as 15 years or > older. "Antique cars" at 25 years or older, never did need to be > inspected. Pictures are required to get a car registered as an antique > and no state inspection is required after that. My daily driver Subaru > Alpine Sport wagon is 15 years old and I don't intend to put classic > tags on it because then the mileage will be limited. > Nowadays a 15 year old car doesn't really seem that old. My TD was 18 > years old when I bought it and seemed to be so far from a modern car, > even in 1970. My tricarb Healey was only 11 years old when I bought it > in '73 and again seemed ancient compared to the current cars. I have an > '85 RX7 also and even though it will be an "antique" next year, it could > easily be an everyday car today. I guess the Brits were a bit behind > the times. > Hard to believe in the current climate that the gov't would be letting > up on regs for cars. > Charlie > > Ed's Shop wrote: > > >From SEMA & for ALL Penseltuckians!!! > > > > Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from needing a > > certificate of inspection before being registered. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 19:09:10 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:08:21 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] seat belts hi, all. what are the options for installing seat belts? there currently are none. 52 TD. thanks! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 19:38:48 2009 From: "Lew Palmer" To: "'oliver'" , Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:39:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] seat belts Check the "Complete TD Restoration Manual" by Horst Schach. He has a whole chapter dedicated to installing seat belts. Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:08 PM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] seat belts hi, all. what are the options for installing seat belts? there currently are none. 52 TD. thanks! Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu May 28 20:27:45 2009 From: "Ed's Shop" To: Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:28:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] seat belts <> And it IS very excellent indeed, Lew!! Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri May 29 17:52:58 2009 From: TATERRY@aol.com To: mg-t@autox.team.net, mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:52:21 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] Totally Type CD Those listers who read bTotally T-Typeb, the bi-monthly magazine of the T Register of the MG Car Club in the UK, will be interested to learn that the Register has just made a CD of Issues 1 to 33 (January 2004 to May 2009). Every issue is reproduced in full (not just the technical articles) and there is also a fully searchable index by pressing the key word search button and additionally, a separate listing of all the technical articles, compiled by Stewart Penfound the TABC Registrar. I have just received mine from John James and it works a treat. You need to have the Internet running in the background for everything to work OK. The CD costs B#8.25 including mailing charge to the US. You can order via PayPal to regalia@tregister.org or contact John James at jj@octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk for further details. Terry in Oakland


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Clive Oxford UK ================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Hellie To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com ; John Seim Cc: MG Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods John, I have soldered loose ends and seems to work fine. Not much heat required and weight shouldn't be a factor in such a high performance engine as the xpag. Only worry I had was if solder broke maybe metal shavings work out and fill pan but never seems to happen. Chip --- On Tue, 5/26/09, John Seim wrote: From: John Seim Subject: [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Cc: "MG" Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 8:01 AM What is the best recommended method for attaching the components of a push rod together. Weld, epoxy, or ? I've got some with a loose end. John Seim Irvine, CA > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (10) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 1New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Yahoo! Groups Stay healthy and discover other people who can help. . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 06:03:40 2009 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "Clive Sherriff" , Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:02:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods Oppps! For "regular silver" read "regular solder" Clive ================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Sherriff" To: ; "John Seim" ; "Chip Hellie" Cc: "MG" Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods > Silver solder would be the best solution probably - > a lot stronger than regular silver. Although a hotter > process, it's not hot enough to alter the push rod's > metaluric structure which Brazing or Welding would > do. > > Clive > Oxford UK ================================== _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat May 30 06:18:01 2009 From: "Bob Grunau" To: "Clive Sherriff" , Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:23:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods Regardless of what method used to fasten the pushrod ends, ( except cold crimping ) it will be necessary to remove one end and wash out all oil inside the hollow tube. Any type of welding or silver soldering will be very difficult if any oil is in the tube. I remove the loose end, wash out the tube, insert loose end back into the tube and compress the pushrod assembly slightly so the end shoulders are in contact with the tube end . Then a spot of TIG weld on two sides of the connection between pushrod and end will secure the connections. Silver soldering should also work after cleaning the oil out. But washing the oil out first is an important step. Bob Grunau Canada Oppps! For "regular silver" read "regular solder" Clive > Silver solder would be the best solution probably - > a lot stronger than regular silver. Although a hotter > process, it's not hot enough to alter the push rod's > metaluric structure which Brazing or Welding would > do. > > Clive > Oxford UK _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 14:59:13 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:50:55 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] water pump Hi, all. 1952 MG TD - relatively original car. water pump is a green? color; rest of the engine components, what's left of the paint is red. does this mean the pump has been replaced? or is that a correct original color. thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 16:25:18 2009 From: Bud Krueger To: oliver Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:25:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] water pump It would have originally been red. As expected, after 50 years, it's been replaced. Bud Krueger oliver wrote: > Hi, all. > > 1952 MG TD - relatively original car. > > water pump is a green? color; rest of the engine components, what's > left of the paint is red. > > does this mean the pump has been replaced? or is that a correct > original color. > > thanks. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 19:30:26 2009 From: Terry Sanders To: mg-t@autox.team.net, oliver Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] water pump Hi Oliver, I would say your water pump has been replaced/rebuilt some time in the past original TD engines would be red baised toward maroon. Terry in Oakland --- On Sun, 5/31/09, oliver wrote: From: oliver Subject: [Mg-t] water pump To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 1:50 PM Hi, all. 1952 MG TD - relatively original car. water pump is a green? color; rest of the engine components, what's left of the paint is red. does this mean the pump has been replaced? or is that a correct original color. thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 31 22:42:35 2009 From: spook01@comcast.net To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mg-t] car seaRCH hi guys, anyone know of a nice Y type going on the block in the states?? contact me offline.B a buddy is interested. ray _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive