From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 4 21:53:27 2009 From: JohnD To: MG T List Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 Maybe you guys have seen this already, but I found it a real treat. Hold your breath when you get to the spray booth! http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 Watch in full frame. Long, silent film. John Deikis Chelsea, MI *Racing in the Past Lane!* _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 5 13:34:52 2009 From: David Lodge To: MG T List , JohnD Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:42:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 Fascinating! Thanks, John. (If I were the foreman I'd get some new trestles made up, those look as though they're on their last legs!) Elf & safety? Regards, Lodge --- On Thu, 5/11/09, JohnD wrote: From: JohnD Subject: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 To: "MG T List" Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 3:49 AM Maybe you guys have seen this already, but I found it a real treat. Hold your breath when you get to the spray booth! http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 Watch in full frame. Long, silent film. John Deikis Chelsea, MI *Racing in the Past Lane!* Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 8 14:18:35 2009 From: "Douglas Ormrod" To: "MG T List" Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:17:58 +1300 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 Brilliant. I understand it was originally 1hr 20min long, but they editied out the tea break. Of course the problem is the British continued building cars the same way which is why there is almost no indigenous British industry today. I wonder if they had a company song like Austin: THE AUSTIN UNITY SONG Unity of purpose is our watchword day by day, In all we do and say, Marching on our way, Holding it before us as through life we go along, Hear the happy throng, Sing the Austin song. Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, No shirkers, all workers, All playing the game for goodwill and fame; Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, We stand united with Austin as our aim. Loyal co-operation is the test of brotherhood, Working as men should, For the common good, Each for all, our motto, as the race of life we run, Striving all as one, Through the years to come. Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, No shirkers, all workers, All playing the game for goodwill and fame; Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, We stand united with Austin as our aim. Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lodge Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 8:42 a.m. To: MG T List; JohnD Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 Fascinating! Thanks, John. (If I were the foreman I'd get some new trestles made up, those look as though they're on their last legs!) Elf & safety? Regards, Lodge --- On Thu, 5/11/09, JohnD wrote: From: JohnD Subject: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 To: "MG T List" Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 3:49 AM Maybe you guys have seen this already, but I found it a real treat. Hold your breath when you get to the spray booth! http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 Watch in full frame. Long, silent film. John Deikis Chelsea, MI *Racing in the Past Lane!* Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 8 15:00:07 2009 From: LAF48@aol.com To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:01:10 EST Subject: [Mg-t] XPAG Camshafts! Hello to the list. I now have in stock new XPAG roller lifter camshaft kits, for any application. A roller cam will always outperform a flat lifter cam of the same duration. LenFanelli Abingdon Performance 914 420 8699 EST _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 8 22:08:33 2009 From: "John Quilter" To: "MG T List" Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:25:07 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 If by indigenous you mean British owned auto manufacturers you are correct. It you mean indigenous as made in England I would beg to differ. BMW is actively producing the new Mini and Rolls Royce in the UK. VW produces the Bentley in the UK and the new owners of Jaguar and Land Rover, Tata, an Indian firm, continue with production in Coventry and Solihull. It was not so much the act of building a motor car in England that was the downfall of the UK owned firms but management's inability to study the market, and particularly the overseas markets, and, without xenophobic prejudice, design and build cars that suited the markets in both the basic product and quality and durability in service. John F. Quilter Brisbane, California 32 year veteran of the British auto industry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Ormrod" To: "MG T List" Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 > Brilliant. > > I understand it was originally 1hr 20min long, but they editied out the > tea break. Of course the problem is the British continued building cars > the same way which is why there is almost no indigenous British industry > today. > > I wonder if they had a company song like Austin: > > THE AUSTIN UNITY SONG > > Unity of purpose is our watchword day by day, > In all we do and say, > Marching on our way, > Holding it before us as through life we go along, > Hear the happy throng, > Sing the Austin song. > > > Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, > Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, > No shirkers, all workers, > All playing the game for goodwill and fame; > Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, > Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, > We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, > We stand united with Austin as our aim. > > > Loyal co-operation is the test of brotherhood, > Working as men should, > For the common good, > Each for all, our motto, as the race of life we run, > Striving all as one, > Through the years to come. > > > Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, > Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, > No shirkers, all workers, > All playing the game for goodwill and fame; > Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, > Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, > We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, > We stand united with Austin as our aim. > > Douglas > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of David Lodge > Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 8:42 a.m. > To: MG T List; JohnD > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 > > Fascinating! Thanks, John. (If I were the foreman I'd get some new > trestles > made up, those look as though they're on their last legs!) Elf & > safety? > Regards, Lodge > > --- On Thu, 5/11/09, JohnD wrote: > > From: JohnD > Subject: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 > To: "MG T List" > Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 3:49 AM > > Maybe you guys have seen this already, but I found it a real treat. > Hold your breath when you get to the spray booth! > > http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 > > Watch in full frame. Long, silent film. > John Deikis > Chelsea, MI > *Racing in the Past Lane!* > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 8 23:08:40 2009 From: David Lodge To: MG T List , Douglas Ormrod Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 05:30:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 Hello Doug, Well, er........no!. I remember going on a school trip to Birmingham and Coventry in 58 or 59, and one of the highlights for me (apart from the Cadbury's chocolate factory) was the Standard/Triumph factory, and the assembly lines churning out Vanguard IIIs and TR 3As were absolutely unrecognisable to those of Abingdon in the clip. In fact, to my young and untutored eyes it may as well have been the set of a science fiction film: all gleaming metal and bustle.As anyone who lived through it will be glad to tell you, the demise of the British car industry has much more to do with political interference - from the left and right; in government and out - than outdated manufacturing processes. Ironic that the late leader of the Trades Union Congress has recently been exposed as a Soviet plant. Obvious to anyone on the outside! Regards, Lodge --- On Sun, 8/11/09, Douglas Ormrod wrote: From: Douglas Ormrod Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 To: "MG T List" Date: Sunday, 8 November, 2009, 20:17 Brilliant. I understand it was originally 1hr 20min long, but they editied out the tea break. Of course the problem is the British continued building cars the same way which is why there is almost no indigenous British industry today. I wonder if they had a company song like Austin: THE AUSTIN UNITY SONG Unity of purpose is our watchword day by day, In all we do and say, Marching on our way, Holding it before us as through life we go along, Hear the happy throng, Sing the Austin song. Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, No shirkers, all workers, All playing the game for goodwill and fame; Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, We stand united with Austin as our aim. Loyal co-operation is the test of brotherhood, Working as men should, For the common good, Each for all, our motto, as the race of life we run, Striving all as one, Through the years to come. Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, No shirkers, all workers, All playing the game for goodwill and fame; Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, We stand united with Austin as our aim. Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Lodge Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 8:42 a.m. To: MG T List; JohnD Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 Fascinating! Thanks, John. (If I were the foreman I'd get some new trestles made up, those look as though they're on their last legs!) Elf & safety? Regards, Lodge --- On Thu, 5/11/09, JohnD wrote: From: JohnD Subject: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 To: "MG T List" Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 3:49 AM Maybe you guys have seen this already, but I found it a real treat. Hold your breath when you get to the spray booth! http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 Watch in full frame. Long, silent film. John Deikis Chelsea, MI *Racing in the Past Lane!* Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 9 11:34:10 2009 From: JohnD To: John Quilter Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:04:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 That sounds quite familiar. John Deikis Metro Detroit *America's housing bargain* On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM, John Quilter wrote: > ...management's inability to study the market, and > particularly the overseas markets, and, without xenophobic prejudice, > design > and build cars that suited the markets in both the basic product and > quality > and durability in service. > > John F. Quilter > Brisbane, California > 32 year veteran of the British auto industry > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Ormrod" < > Douglas.Ormrod@neurological.org.nz> > > To: "MG T List" > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 > > > Brilliant. >> >> I understand it was originally 1hr 20min long, but they editied out the >> tea break. Of course the problem is the British continued building cars >> the same way which is why there is almost no indigenous British industry >> today. >> >> I wonder if they had a company song like Austin: >> >> THE AUSTIN UNITY SONG >> >> Unity of purpose is our watchword day by day, >> In all we do and say, >> Marching on our way, >> Holding it before us as through life we go along, >> Hear the happy throng, >> Sing the Austin song. >> >> >> Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, >> Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, >> No shirkers, all workers, >> All playing the game for goodwill and fame; >> Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, >> Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, >> We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, >> We stand united with Austin as our aim. >> >> >> Loyal co-operation is the test of brotherhood, >> Working as men should, >> For the common good, >> Each for all, our motto, as the race of life we run, >> Striving all as one, >> Through the years to come. >> >> >> Refrain - We stand united, with Austin as our aim, >> Our path is lighted with progress for the flame, >> No shirkers, all workers, >> All playing the game for goodwill and fame; >> Shoulder to shoulder, secure against a fall, >> Bolder and bolder, we'll try to conquer all, >> We'll fight for, do right for the good of our name, >> We stand united with Austin as our aim. >> >> Douglas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of David Lodge >> Sent: Friday, 6 November 2009 8:42 a.m. >> To: MG T List; JohnD >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 >> >> Fascinating! Thanks, John. (If I were the foreman I'd get some new >> trestles >> made up, those look as though they're on their last legs!) Elf & >> safety? >> Regards, Lodge >> >> --- On Thu, 5/11/09, JohnD wrote: >> >> From: JohnD >> Subject: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 >> To: "MG T List" >> Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 3:49 AM >> >> Maybe you guys have seen this already, but I found it a real treat. >> Hold your breath when you get to the spray booth! >> >> http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=70826 >> >> Watch in full frame. Long, silent film. >> John Deikis >> Chelsea, MI >> *Racing in the Past Lane!* >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > -- Racing in the Past Lane! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 09:26:56 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:48:13 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Question Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the width of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of the bar. It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? Tks Cheers Gene Vermont _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 10:37:38 2009 From: Mike Eldred To: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:34:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question Hi Gene, I don't know a lot about the TD, but I'd guess it's the tonneau bar. The TF has two tonneau bars, since it has two bucket seats. They keep the tonneau snug against the seat, and prevent the full tonneau from flapping in the wind. -Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT '54 MG TF '73 Midget '51 Willys M38 > From: crownwheel@surfglobal.net > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:48:13 -0500 > Subject: [Mg-t] Question > > Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the width > of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of the > bar. > > It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is > adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. > > This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? > > Tks > > Cheers > > Gene > > Vermont > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 10:37:48 2009 From: taterry@aol.com To: crownwheel@surfglobal.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:35:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question Gene, ths commonly called "the blanket bar". It supported the factory supplied tonneau cover which did not cover the seats......... Terry -----Original Message----- From: Gene Fodor To: mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 7:48 am Subject: [Mg-t] Question Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the width of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of the bar. It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? Tks Cheers Gene Vermont Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 10:37:54 2009 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs_Benajes?= To: "'Gene Fodor'" , Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:39:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question Hi, I guess that you are referring to the bar used for tucking the tonneau cover. Regard. Jeszs -----Mensaje original----- De: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] En nombre de Gene Fodor Enviado el: martes, 10 de noviembre de 2009 16:48 Para: mg-t@autox.team.net Asunto: [Mg-t] Question Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the width of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of the bar. It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? Tks Cheers Gene Vermont _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 10:38:00 2009 From: "Lawrie Alexander" To: "Gene Fodor" , Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:41:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question Known as a "blanket bar", Gene, perhaps on some cars it was a place to hang the blanket that was needed to keep passengers' legs warm in pre-heater days. However, on the TD its function was to support the front of the half-tonneau cover, which tucked over it then had elastic straps leading down to studs on the back of the seat near the bottom. Lawrie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Fodor" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: [Mg-t] Question > Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the > width > of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of > the > bar. > > It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is > adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. > > This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? > > Tks > > Cheers > > Gene > > Vermont > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 10:38:06 2009 From: Syd Saperstein To: "Gene Fodor" Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:52:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question Been a long time since I had one, but does it have something to do with the 1/2 tonneau? Seems to me there are snap buttons down there somewhere that anchored elastic straps attached to the 1/2 tonneau and the fabric of the 1/2 tonneau fed through the pace created in front of the rod. The back of the tonneau snapped onto the back body and the arrangement kept the 1/2 tonneau taught. Just a foggy recollection of this floating around in my brain, though. TCSYD On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:48 AM, Gene Fodor wrote: > Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the width > of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of the > bar. > > It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is > adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. > > This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? > > Tks > > Cheers > > Gene > > Vermont > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 10:38:11 2009 From: "Carr&Edwards" To: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:55:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question I believe the original tonneau was only a half-tonneau, and the bar was meant to hold it taut. Sarah Carr TD3942EXLU in PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Fodor" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: [Mg-t] Question > Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the > width > of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of > the > bar. > > It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is > adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. > > This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? > > Tks > > Cheers > > Gene > > Vermont > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 11:08:34 2009 From: Bud Krueger To: Gene Fodor Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:20:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question Gene, the OEM tonneau cover goes over the bar and snaps onto the two fasteners at the lower edge of the seat back. Bud Krueger Gene Fodor wrote: > Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the width > of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of the > bar. > > It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is > adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. > > This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? > > Tks > > Cheers > > Gene > > Vermont > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 11:41:56 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:00:50 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] My Question and all your replies... Listers . will my education ever end? I hope not. Indeed it is the bar for the tonneau cover. Lister Dallas Congleton sent a great pix of one in use. Thanks to all! Cheers Gene Vermont _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 10 12:45:58 2009 From: "Douglas Ormrod" To: "MG T List" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:07:11 +1300 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Abingdon, 1931 Em, well I was joking - I am well aware that new trestles were purchased in 1953, and bigger hammers were issued in 1963 to help the parts fit together better. Until the 1980's invasion of the second hand Japanese car imports into NZ I was mainly limited in choice to British cars of the 60's - Morris Minors, Mini, Austin and Morris 1100s and 1300s. While I loved them all - they were poorly built and there was never a time when something did not need fixed - guess that is how I learned to mend cars - so not complaining. Cheers Douglas Hello Doug, Well, er........no!. I remember going on a school trip to Birmingham and Coventry in 58 or 59, and one of the highlights for me (apart from the Cadbury's chocolate factory) was the Standard/Triumph factory, and the assembly lines churning out Vanguard IIIs and TR 3As were absolutely unrecognisable to those of Abingdon in the clip. In fact, to my young and untutored eyes it may as well have been the set of a science fiction film: all gleaming metal and bustle. As anyone who lived through it will be glad to tell you, the demise of the British car industry has much more to do with political interference - from the left and right; in government and out - than outdated manufacturing processes. Ironic that the late leader of the Trades Union Congress has recently been exposed as a Soviet plant. Obvious to anyone on the outside! Regards, Lodge A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 11 00:14:18 2009 From: David Lodge To: mg-t@autox.team.net, Gene Fodor Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Question Hello Gene, Well, on the TC it's a forward support for the half-tonneau which loops over the bar between the seat back and the bar. The elastic straps clip lower down the seat back, if memory serves! Regards, Lodge --- On Tue, 10/11/09, Gene Fodor wrote: From: Gene Fodor Subject: [Mg-t] Question To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 15:48 Good Day Listers . on the TD's seat back, there is a bar that runs the width of the back. It is attached to the back by 4 screws - 2 on each side of the bar. It does seem to have any specific purpose as the tilt of the back is adjusted by another assembly located immediately below the bar. This is kind of a trivial question, but does anyone know it purpose? Tks Cheers Gene Vermont Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 11 12:16:24 2009 From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:40:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Hi, It's been a while since I've been on the list, and I've missed it. As some of you may remember, I have a '52 TD. The battery is no longer charging. At 3500rpm the charge light is on, the ammeter is on zero, and when I put a voltmeter on the battery it's at 12.4 volts. The generator was re-built by a local armature shop five years ago. I had the Reg converted to solid state four years ago by a gentleman on my list. Two questions: 1. How do I use the voltmeter to test if the Gen or the Reg is the problem? 2. Does anyone remember who does the OEM to solid state conversions? I believe he was somewhere up in NH or Vermont and I can't find the receipt... Any help appreciated, and it's good to be back, Scott Allen 52 TD 74 1/2 BGT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 11 14:18:33 2009 From: TATERRY@aol.com To: s4usea@yahoo.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:45:17 EST Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem In a message dated 11/11/2009 11:16:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, s4usea@yahoo.com writes: > > 1. How do I use the voltmeter to test if the Gen or the Reg is the > problem? > > > 2. Does anyone remember who does the OEM to solid state conversions? > I > believe he was somewhere up in NH or Vermont and I can't find the > receipt... > > > Scott, if your car has been sitting for a long time you might need to flash the fields to restore the magnatism. To see if the gennie is ok, disconnet the wires to it and connect the two generator terminals together then put a voltmeter on the connector and start the engine, don't rev too high, you should see the voltage rise....I'm saying this from memory so I hope others will chime in. If it does, its not the generator. The regulator guy is: bobj50@comcast.net (R. K. (Bob) Jeffers) Terry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 11 15:22:00 2009 From: "Dave and Liz DuBois" To: "S Allen" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:45:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Scott, Terry has it right for testing the generator, but for detailed instructions, see the article, Testing a Dynamo/Generator in the Other Tech Articles section of my web site at: http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ The gentleman you are looking for is Bob Jeffers. His e-mail address is in the article above. To flash the generator, remove your cloths, get a rain coat...oops, wrong flashing. Seriously, disconnect the two wires from the generator, connect a piece of wire to the large terminal on the generator, quickly wipe the other end of the wire across whichever battery terminal is not connected to ground once or twice (you should see some arcing when you do that). Disconnect the jumper wire and reconnect the wires removed. Cheers, Dave > Hi, > > > It's been a while since I've been on the list, and I've missed it. > > > As some of you may remember, I have a '52 TD. > > > The battery is no longer charging. At 3500rpm the charge light is on, > the > ammeter is on zero, and when I put a voltmeter on the battery it's > at 12.4 > volts. > > > The generator was re-built by a local armature shop five years ago. > > > I had the Reg converted to solid state four years ago by a gentleman on my > list. > > > Two questions: > > > 1. How do I use the voltmeter to test if the Gen or the Reg is the > problem? > > > 2. Does anyone remember who does the OEM to solid state conversions? > I > believe he was somewhere up in NH or Vermont and I can't find the > receipt... > > > Any help appreciated, and it's good to be back, > > > Scott Allen > > > 52 TD > > 74 1/2 BGT > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 11 15:48:51 2009 From: Bob Howard To: s4usea@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:04:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Hi Scott, Nice to see you back on the T list. Workshop manual tells how to check gen output. Best to go by the book for this, but in short you remove cables A and A1 from the control box, connect together, then connect "moving coil" (that's our ordinary analogue meter) voltmeter to D terminal on the gen and earth. Run the engine revs up until meter steadies and the volts should show 16.1-16.7 at 50 degrees F, 15.8-16.4 at 68, 15.6-16.2 at 86 degrees. Bob Jeffers, 10 Stony Brook Dr, Wilton NH 03086, makes a solid state regulator conversion. It may be he who did yours. There was someone in CT a few years back who was doing them, but I do not remember his name. Bob On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:40:31 -0800 (PST) S Allen writes: > Hi, > It's been a while since I've been on the list, and I've missed it. > As some of you may remember, I have a '52 TD.> The battery is no longer charging. At 3500rpm the charge light is > on, the ammeter is on zero, and when I put a voltmeter on the battery it's at 12.4 volts.> > The generator was re-built by a local armature shop five years ago.> > I had the Reg converted to solid state four years ago by a gentleman > on my list. > Two questions: > 1. How do I use the voltmeter to test if the Gen or the Reg is the > problem? > 2. Does anyone remember who does the OEM to solid state > conversions? I believe he was somewhere up in NH or Vermont and I can't find the > receipt... > > > Any help appreciated, and it's good to be back, > > > Scott Allen > > > 52 TD > > 74 1/2 BGT ____________________________________________________________ Instant Health Insurance Get fast, free health insurance quotes online now in 2 minutes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=IdaNQ9BQKwPJvoN3VwsdCAAAJ1AZtbtuTpx5SVCdlh4YnsjUAAQAAAAFAAAAALklNz4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABZhQAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 11 17:45:15 2009 From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: taterry@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:17:40 -0800 Subject: [Mg-t] [Fwd: Re: TD Charging Problem] Terry, You are right, got my wires crossed - Scott, put the jumper wire on the smaller terminal of the generator. Cheers, Dave -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:30:32 -0500 From: taterry@aol.com To: ddubois@sinclair.net References: <2085.75.92.178.86.1257975945.squirrel@webmail.donobi.net> Dave, I always flash the fields, not the armature....it looks pretty much like a short circuit....but maybe either works. Terry -----Original Message----- From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: S Allen Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Scott, Terry has it right for testing the generator, but for detailed instructions, see the article, Testing a Dynamo/Generator in the Other Tech Articles section of my web site at: http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ The gentleman you are looking for is Bob Jeffers. His e-mail address is in the article above. To flash the generator, remove your cloths, get a rain coat...oops, wrong flashing. Seriously, disconnect the two wires from the generator, connect a piece of wire to the large terminal on the generator, quickly wipe the other end of the wire across whichever battery terminal is not connected to ground once or twice (you should see some arcing when you do that). Disconnect the jumper wire and reconnect the wires removed. Cheers, Dave > Hi, > > > It's been a while since I've been on the list, and I've missed it. > > > As some of you may remember, I have a '52 TD. > > > The battery is no longer charging. At 3500rpm the charge light is on, > the > ammeter is on zero, and when I put a voltmeter on the battery it's > at 12.4 > volts. > > > The generator was re-built by a local armature shop five years ago. > > > I had the Reg converted to solid state four years ago by a gentleman on my > list. > > > Two questions: > > > 1. How do I use the voltmeter to test if the Gen or the Reg is the > problem? > > > 2. Does anyone remember who does the OEM to solid state conversions? > I > believe he was somewhere up in NH or Vermont and I can't find the > receipt... > > > Any help appreciated, and it's good to be back, > > > Scott Allen > > > 52 TD > > 74 1/2 BGT > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 12 12:15:22 2009 From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem My thanks to everyone for their replies. I don't think the generator needs to be flashed as my father drove the '52 regularly while I was overseas, to include picking me up at the airport the week before. At that time, when I drove it home from his house to mine in the dark I noticed the charge light glowing faintly regardless of the rev range and wrote it off to it being dark and me running the heater. A few days later when I hopped in it was full-on red for the whole drive. After digging out my manual from the basement, (thanks Charlie) it says to connect a wire to the (removed) D and F wires on the Reg. Dave's helpful article says to test both at the Gen's terminals and the Reg's D and F. Is there a consensus on this? Also, the manual says to test using the pos wire as ground on the volmeter, (I have a digital). Is this true? Again, thank you for all of the replies. Now I have to figure out why the dizzy on my BGT doesn't have any spark... Thank you again, Scott Allen 52 TD 74 1/2 BGT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 12 13:27:14 2009 From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: S Allen Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:36:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Scott, > After digging out my manual from the basement, (thanks Charlie) it says to connect a wire to the (removed) D and F wires on the Reg. Dave's helpful article says to test both at the Gen's terminals and the Reg's D and F. You can follow either instruction. I choose to disconnect the wires at the generator since there are ring terminals on the wires at that end, there is less chance of damaging the bare ends of the wire at the regulator end. Further, my set of instructions have you checking the generator alone, without the regulator attached so that you get a clear indication if the generator is working properly or not. Once it is determined that the generator is working properly, then the wires removed from either the generator or the regulator are reattached and the generator/regulator are tested as a system to see if the regulator is setting the output voltage at the correct level. > Also, the manual says to test using the pos wire as ground on the volmeter That applies if your car is still wired for positive ground. If the polarity of the car has been changed to negative ground, then the negative lead of the meter is the one attached to ground. A digital meter is a bad choice for this test as it doesn't show a smooth swing as the voltage increases (instead, a digital waits for a sample period first, during which time the voltage can increase a considerable amount, giving you a jerky response). If you have a friend or acquaintance who has an analog meter, borrow that to make these tests. A digital will work, but the indication is not as easy to interpret. > (I have a digital) A digital meter is a bad choice for this test as it doesn't show a smooth swing as the voltage increases (instead, a digital waits for a sample period first, during which time the voltage can increase a considerable amount, giving you a jerky response). If you have a friend or acquaintance who has an analog meter, borrow that to make these tests. A digital will work, but the indication is not as easy to interpret. Cheers, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 12 13:46:38 2009 From: Bob Howard To: s4usea@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:15:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Hi Scott, You may not need to flash the generator, but it's something that is easy and does no harm. Checking the wires at the regulator tells you condition of both gen and wires. At the gen, it tests gen only. You can do whichever is easier for you as it's unlikely that the wires have perished. For polarity, you would ground to Pos if the car is still earthed as it was built ( Pos earth) If it has been changed to Neg earth, then ground the voltmeter to the neg wire. Voltmeter should show the voltage either way though, pos or neg, but voltage should be indicated. Changing from pos to neg or back to pos is when you do need to flash the generator. It gens equally well with either polarity, but flashing tells it which is which. While you're sleuthing around at this, slide back the cover band on the dynamo and look at the brushes. They may be worn and not making good contact. Weak then no charge can be that they were just worn down, then worn out. Bob On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) S Allen writes: > My thanks to everyone for their replies. > > I don't think the generator needs to be flashed as my father drove > the '52 regularly while I was overseas, to include picking me up at the > airport the week before. At that time, when I drove it home from his house to > mine in the dark I noticed the charge light glowing faintly regardless of the > rev range and wrote it off to it being dark and me running the heater. A few > days later when I hopped in it was full-on red for the whole drive. > > After digging out my manual from the basement, (thanks Charlie) it > says to connect a wire to the (removed) D and F wires on the Reg. Dave's > helpful article says to test both at the Gen's terminals and the Reg's D and > F. Is there a consensus on this? > > Also, the manual says to test using the pos wire as ground on the > volmeter, (I have a digital). Is this true? > > Again, thank you for all of the replies. Now I have to figure out > why the dizzy on my BGT doesn't have any spark... > > Thank you again, > > Scott Allen > > 52 TD > 74 1/2 BGT ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=g5Fr2yWR0vmjC-bpU3oPywAAJ1AZtbtuTpx5SVCdlh4YnsjUAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 12 21:36:09 2009 From: "oliver" To: "T series list" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:04:07 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] sacred octagon hi, all. anyone know when the latest issue will "hit the stands." i need some good reading material!!!! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 13 06:28:52 2009 From: Tuck Southworth To: , Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:01:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] sacred octagon That would be the Dec. issue which should be at the printers now. Look for it during the last week in Nov. Tuck > From: sumton@sbcglobal.net > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:04:07 -0600 > Subject: [Mg-t] sacred octagon > > hi, all. > > anyone know when the latest issue will "hit the stands." > > i need some good reading material!!!! > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 15 12:58:05 2009 From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:22:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem Hi, I'd like to thank everyone for their kind and considerate replies in regards to the charging problem on my TD. With the generator isolated I have less than a volt on it, which is pretty definitive. Some time this week I'll take it off the car and go over it on the workbench and see what can be done. Thank everyone again, Scott Allen 52TD 74 1/2 BGT --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Bob Howard wrote: From: Bob Howard Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Charging Problem To: s4usea@yahoo.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 3:15 PM Hi Scott, You may not need to flash the generator, but it's something that is easy and does no harm. Checking the wires at the regulator tells you condition of both gen and wires. At the gen, it tests gen only. You can do whichever is easier for you as it's unlikely that the wires have perished. For polarity, you would ground to Pos if the car is still earthed as it was built ( Pos earth) If it has been changed to Neg earth, then ground the voltmeter to the neg wire. Voltmeter should show the voltage either way though, pos or neg, but voltage should be indicated. Changing from pos to neg or back to pos is when you do need to flash the generator. It gens equally well with either polarity, but flashing tells it which is which. While you're sleuthing around at this, slide back the cover band on the dynamo and look at the brushes. They may be worn and not making good contact. Weak then no charge can be that they were just worn down, then worn out. Bob On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) S Allen writes: > My thanks to everyone for their replies. > > I don't think the generator needs to be flashed as my father drove > the '52 regularly while I was overseas, to include picking me up at the > airport the week before. At that time, when I drove it home from his house to > mine in the dark I noticed the charge light glowing faintly regardless of the > rev range and wrote it off to it being dark and me running the heater. A few > days later when I hopped in it was full-on red for the whole drive. > > After digging out my manual from the basement, (thanks Charlie) it > says to connect a wire to the (removed) D and F wires on the Reg. Dave's > helpful article says to test both at the Gen's terminals and the Reg's D and > F. Is there a consensus on this? > > Also, the manual says to test using the pos wire as ground on the > volmeter, (I have a digital). Is this true? > > Again, thank you for all of the replies. Now I have to figure out > why the dizzy on my BGT doesn't have any spark... > > Thank you again, > > Scott Allen > > 52 TD > 74 1/2 BGT ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=7YLEBxC9OxJwW3oXAszZQQAAJ1ApvWW FliQdXJXf18r9ydzGAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 15 20:36:27 2009 From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:20:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Hi, So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked which allowed enough play in the shaft for it to beat itself to death. Two questions. First Moss sells a "new" one, but I haven't had much luck with Moss electricals. Does anyone have any thoughts? Second, if I shouldn't go with the Moss option, does anyone on the list know a place that does good, quality re-builds? Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a place that does good, quality distributor re-builds? The BGT's is overdue... Thank you in advance, Scott Allen 52 TD 74 1/2 BT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 15 21:24:08 2009 From: To: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:03:02 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Fw: TD Generator Failure Cause... Hi Scott, I had my Lucas generator rebuilt by a place in Hamden, CT. They do all kinds of electrical equipment, and I've used them 10-15 times for non-LBC work, so I gave them a try for the TD. The field coils were bad, and they were able to find reasonable facsimiles. My generator came back charging more than specs, though I can't remember the details. It's the kind of place where you walk right into the shop, and you can talk to the guy doing the work. My kind of place. NRE Auto Electric Rebuilders 35 Warner St., Hamden, CT 203 777-2333 Mike is one of the principals there, and they do good work at reasonable prices. Standard disclaimer applies: no personal interest or relation, blah, blah, blah. Pete Thiel 53 TD ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... > Hi, > > So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked which > allowed enough play in the shaft for it to beat itself to death. > > Two questions. First Moss sells a "new" one, but I haven't had much luck > with > Moss electricals. Does anyone have any thoughts? > Second, if I shouldn't go with the Moss option, does anyone on the list > know a > place that does good, quality re-builds? > > Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a place that does good, quality > distributor re-builds? The BGT's is overdue... > > Thank you in advance, > > Scott Allen > > 52 TD > 74 1/2 BT _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 15 21:35:13 2009 From: taterry@aol.com To: s4usea@yahoo.com, mg-t@autox.team.net, felperg@earthlink.com Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:08:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Scott, there is a place in Atlanta that makes new armatures complete, try www.semgtr.org maybe its .com...also Jerry Felper canhandle both of your problems .. he is in So Cal Terry -----Original Message----- From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 7:20 pm Subject: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Hi, So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked which allowed enough play in the shaft for it to beat itself to death. Two questions. First Moss sells a "new" one, but I haven't had much luck with Moss electricals. Does anyone have any thoughts? Second, if I shouldn't go with the Moss option, does anyone on the list know a place that does good, quality re-builds? Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a place that does good, quality distributor re-builds? The BGT's is overdue... Thank you in advance, Scott Allen 52 TD 74 1/2 BT Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 15 21:49:19 2009 From: Charles Hill To: s4usea@yahoo.com, mg-t@autox.team.net, felperg@earthlink.com Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:27:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Scott, What is broken on your generator? If it is only the bearing, a local electrical shop should be able to do the job. Joe Curto mentioned on the TABC list that he had some TC armatures available. You might check with him if that is what you need( www.joecurto.com). He normally only does carbs but comes across other stuff from time to time. Otherwise, I don't have any suggestions. And on your distributor, I haven't used them yet, but I've heard glowing reviews about Advanced Distributors (http://www.advanceddistributors.com/ ) Regards, Charles Hill S Allen wrote: > Hi, > > So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked which > allowed enough play in the shaft for it to beat itself to death. > > Two questions. First Moss sells a "new" one, but I haven't had much luck with > Moss electricals. Does anyone have any thoughts? > > Second, if I shouldn't go with the Moss option, does anyone on the list know a > place that does good, quality re-builds? > > Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a place that does good, quality > distributor re-builds? The BGT's is overdue... > > Thank you in advance, > > Scott Allen > > 52 TD > 74 1/2 BT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 15 22:04:01 2009 From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: S Allen Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:01:21 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Scott, Any good auto electric shop (NOT Auto Zone or any of the other discount houses that happen to have an electrical test bench in the back) can rebuild your generator, but with the build up that Pete T. gives to the shop he has used, I would go there if it is anywhere near you. You can get new armatures from Holcombe Armature Co., 905 Rockmart Hwy., Villa Rica, GA 30310 800-241-3027. The also offer a complete rebuild kit. The armatures are for the later generators, but will work in the older ones and will supply more current than the older generator, so you can have your generator rebuilt and upgraded all in the same operation. Distributor rebuilds are done by Jeff Schlemmer at Advanced Distributor jeff@advanceddistributors.com www.advanceddistributors.com He restored the distributor in our TD and what he sent back was like brand new. Chers, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 06:05:16 2009 From: Bud Krueger To: S Allen Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:44:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Scott, you might take a look at http://www.ttalk.info/Holcombe.htm for a view of installing an armature from Holcombe. Bud Krueger S Allen wrote: > Hi, > > So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked which > allowed enough play in the shaft for it to beat itself to death. > > Two questions. First Moss sells a "new" one, but I haven't had much luck with > Moss electricals. Does anyone have any thoughts? > > Second, if I shouldn't go with the Moss option, does anyone on the list know a > place that does good, quality re-builds? > > Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a place that does good, quality > distributor re-builds? The BGT's is overdue... > > Thank you in advance, > > Scott Allen > > 52 TD > 74 1/2 BT > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 06:20:42 2009 From: Nels Anderson To: S Allen , mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:59:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... I've been running the Moss replacement generator for over six years now and for me it has worked just fine. --Nels Anderson 53 TD S Allen wrote: > Hi, > > So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked which > allowed enough play in the shaft for it to beat itself to death. > > Two questions. First Moss sells a "new" one, but I haven't had much luck with > Moss electricals. Does anyone have any thoughts? > > Second, if I shouldn't go with the Moss option, does anyone on the list know a > place that does good, quality re-builds? > > Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a place that does good, quality > distributor re-builds? The BGT's is overdue... > > Thank you in advance, > > Scott Allen > > 52 TD > 74 1/2 BT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 07:26:34 2009 From: Charlie Baldwin To: , Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:05:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... I got one of the Holcombe kits when they were being offered. Mr. Holcombe has since passed on, but the company still exists. I had an armature for my Austin-Healey that needed to be rebuilt, so got in touch. They rebuilt it just fine. Do a search for Holcombe Armature Company. It comes up with Holcombe Direct or something like that. Use the "contact us" button and ask them about rebuilding yours. Charlie Bud Krueger wrote: > Scott, you might take a look at http://www.ttalk.info/Holcombe.htm for > a view of installing an armature from Holcombe. > > Bud Krueger > > S Allen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked >> which >> allowed enough play in the shaft for it to beat itself to death. >> >> Two questions. First Moss sells a "new" one, but I haven't had much >> luck with >> Moss electricals. Does anyone have any thoughts? >> >> Second, if I shouldn't go with the Moss option, does anyone on the >> list know a >> place that does good, quality re-builds? >> >> Also, while I'm at it, does anyone know a place that does good, quality >> distributor re-builds? The BGT's is overdue... >> >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Scott Allen >> >> 52 TD >> 74 1/2 BT >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 13:36:20 2009 From: S Allen To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:10:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Thanks to everyone for all of the great advice. I'll have to give some thought on the generator, as the date on it indicates that it probably came out of an A or other BritCar, so if the Moss ones are okay, than they're as viable an option as a re-build as originality isn't a question. Also, thank you for the recommendation to use Jeff Schlemmer for my dizzy re-build. I'll be sending it to him shortly. Thanks to everyone again, Scott Allen 52 TD 74 1/2 BGT --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Bob Howard wrote: From: Bob Howard Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... To: s4usea@yahoo.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:53 PM Hi Scott, I see that you have received several good suggestions about the generator and distributor. Pete Thiel keeps his machinery in good fettle. If he likes an outfit, it's a good outfit. My favorite old guy died, so if I have need of dynamo repair, I will go to Pete's guy. Jeff Schlemmer does nice work. He did my MGB distributor for me two winters back when I was rebuilding. It didn't have the right distributor in the engine, something I asked him about, and his answer was that if it's a 25D which is right for the pre-rubber bumper engines like ours, then the five or six diget #s are model #s that reflect springs & advance curves for whatver emission spec MG was trying to meet at that time. His approach, which suited me perfectly, was to say that he curves the distributor to your engine, so he asks compression, camshaft spec, carbs, manifolding, exhaust etc, then fits the right bits inside the distributor to best fit the engine. As I had rebuilt with .060 overbore, raised compression to UK specs for 1972, polished & ported the head, manifold as much as I could reach, ran Falcon exhaust, etc, he took mine and rebuilt to whatever he thought best for those changes. Everyone in our CT club who has had Jeff work on distributors has been very pleased. Those done by him include early & late MGB, MGA, TD, Jaguar and Sunbeam, so I guess he has earned the good reputation. He's quick and reasonable too. Bob On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:20:49 -0800 (PST) S Allen writes: > Hi, > > So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=_x_7-IOWA899PsuaFyjJGgAAJ1ApvWW FliQdXJXf18r9ydzGAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 14:20:10 2009 From: S Allen To: Charlie Baldwin Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:58:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Hi Charlie, Looking over some docs from when I had the engine rebuilt there's a note that it's from a Sprite. Good catch, Scott --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Charlie Baldwin wrote: From: Charlie Baldwin Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... To: "S Allen" Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 3:47 PM Scott, Your generator may have come from a Sprite which the early ones had a tach drive like the TD. MGA generators don't have that. It could also be a replacement TD generator and that is why the date doesn't correspond to the year of the car. Charlie S Allen wrote: Thanks to everyone for all of the great advice. I'll have to give some thought on the generator, as the date on it indicates that it probably came out of an A or other BritCar, so if the Moss ones are okay, than they're as viable an option as a re-build as originality isn't a question. Also, thank you for the recommendation to use Jeff Schlemmer for my dizzy re-build. I'll be sending it to him shortly. Thanks to everyone again, Scott Allen 52 TD 74 1/2 BGT --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Bob Howard wrote: From: Bob Howard Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... To: s4usea@yahoo.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:53 PM Hi Scott, I see that you have received several good suggestions about the generator and distributor. Pete Thiel keeps his machinery in good fettle. If he likes an outfit, it's a good outfit. My favorite old guy died, so if I have need of dynamo repair, I will go to Pete's guy. Jeff Schlemmer does nice work. He did my MGB distributor for me two winters back when I was rebuilding. It didn't have the right distributor in the engine, something I asked him about, and his answer was that if it's a 25D which is right for the pre-rubber bumper engines like ours, then the five or six diget #s are model #s that reflect springs & advance curves for whatver emission spec MG was trying to meet at that time. His approach, which suited me perfectly, was to say that he curves the distributor to your engine, so he asks compression, camshaft spec, carbs, manifolding, exhaust etc, then fits the right bits inside the distributor to best fit the engine. As I had rebuilt with .060 overbore, raised compression to UK specs for 1972, polished & ported the head, manifold as much as I could reach, ran Falcon exhaust, etc, he took mine and rebuilt to whatever he thought best for those changes. Everyone in our CT club who has had Jeff work on distributors has been very pleased. Those done by him include early & late MGB, MGA, TD, Jaguar and Sunbeam, so I guess he has earned the good reputation. He's quick and reasonable too. Bob On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:20:49 -0800 (PST) S Allen writes: Hi, So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked ____________________________________________________________ Hotel Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=_x_7-IOWA899PsuaFyjJGgAAJ1ApvWW FliQdXJXf18r9ydzGAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 16 16:45:24 2009 From: Gerald Felper To: S Allen Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:29:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... Scott Many T series cars are using Sprite generators. They do not have the brush inspection window, but work fine. Jerry On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:58 PM, S Allen wrote: > Hi Charlie, > > Looking over some docs from when I had the engine rebuilt there's a > note that > it's from a Sprite. > > Good catch, > > Scott > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Charlie Baldwin wrote: > > > From: Charlie Baldwin > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... > To: "S Allen" > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 3:47 PM > > > Scott, > Your generator may have come from a Sprite which the early ones had > a tach > drive like the TD. MGA generators don't have that. It could also > be a > replacement TD generator and that is why the date doesn't > correspond to the > year of the car. > Charlie > > S Allen wrote: > Thanks to everyone for all of the great advice. I'll have to give > some > thought on the generator, as the date on it indicates that it > probably came > out of an A or other BritCar, so if the Moss ones are okay, than > they're as > viable an option as a re-build as originality isn't a question. > > Also, thank you for the recommendation to use Jeff Schlemmer for my > dizzy > re-build. I'll be sending it to him shortly. > > Thanks to everyone again, > > Scott Allen > > 52 TD > 74 1/2 BGT > > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Bob Howard wrote: > > > From: Bob Howard > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Generator Failure Cause... > To: s4usea@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 12:53 PM > > > Hi Scott, > I see that you have received several good suggestions about the > generator and distributor. Pete Thiel keeps his machinery in good > fettle. If he likes an outfit, it's a good outfit. My favorite old > guy > died, so if I have need of dynamo repair, I will go to Pete's guy. > Jeff Schlemmer does nice work. He did my MGB distributor for me > two > winters back when I was rebuilding. It didn't have the right > distributor > in the engine, something I asked him about, and his answer was that if > it's a 25D which is right for the pre-rubber bumper engines like ours, > then the five or six diget #s are model #s that reflect springs & > advance > curves for whatver emission spec MG was trying to meet at that time. > His approach, which suited me perfectly, was to say that he > curves the > distributor to your engine, so he asks compression, camshaft spec, > carbs, > manifolding, exhaust etc, then fits the right bits inside the > distributor > to best fit the engine. As I had rebuilt with .060 > overbore, > raised compression to UK specs for 1972, polished & ported the head, > manifold as much as I could reach, ran Falcon exhaust, etc, he took > mine > and rebuilt to whatever he thought best for those changes. > Everyone in > our CT club who has had Jeff work on distributors has been very > pleased. > Those done by him include early & late MGB, MGA, TD, Jaguar and > Sunbeam, > so I guess he has earned the good reputation. He's quick and > reasonable > too. > Bob > > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:20:49 -0800 (PST) S Allen > writes: > > Hi, > > So I took apart the generator and it looks like the bearing cracked > ____________________________________________________________ > Hotel > Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel > online. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=_x_7- > IOWA899PsuaFyjJGgAAJ1ApvWW > FliQdXJXf18r9ydzGAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA= > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Gerald Felper Felper Engineering felperg@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 19 21:19:57 2009 From: "John Quilter" To: "MG T List" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:12:09 -0800 Subject: [Mg-t] Fun vintage movie staring an MGTD If you would like to see an interesting period movie staring an MGTD from about 1953 take a look at http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=83626 Look for the Heights of Danger film. The plot is a family in the UK owns a car repair shop that has fallen on hard times. To try to raise funds to keep it going they enter their ivory TD in a European road race to win a cash prize. Great shots of the TD in the Alps. I like the shot of the tach and speedo in reel 7 showing 72MPH and 5100 RPM, wow! John F. Quilter Brisbane California 1951 MGTD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 22 21:24:36 2009 From: jvk52td@aol.com To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:34:00 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi "T" Listers, I have been trying to read as much as possible about the steering rack on the TD. One of my rack seals was ripped. After much work I finally was able to separate the tie rod end by pressing it out with a puller. What is the easiest way to do that task ?? I noticed my tie rod boot was ripped on the other side so I am just going to replace both tie rod boots and both rack seals. My tie rod ends are different from each other with one being flat on the bottom with no grease zerk on top / the other kind of round on the bottom with a grease zerk on top. On the middle of the steering rack is a zerk which I have read about both grease and oil for this area ???? Thanks, John _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 22 23:36:06 2009 From: "John Quilter" To: "MG T List" Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:48:48 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack The usual tool for splitting the tie rod end assembly from the swivel pin is a ball joint splitting tool. The following website has a pic of one. Shop around they may be available for less. http://www.triple-c.com/Tools.cfm, alternatively a "pickle fork" and hammer can be used. The original tie rod end assemblies for a TD came with a zerk fitting but more modern replacements are of the "sealed for life" type with no fitting. Both types may be still available. The TD workshop manual calls for Hypoid 90 weight oil for the steering rack. Same as used in the gearbox and final drive. Multiweigh hypoid oils may be available for this application now. It is a bit difficult to fill the rack from the central zerk fitting. I find a pump squirt type oil can is easier to use, just insert the nozzle under the rack boot before fitting the clamp. Note, when removing the tierod ends from the rack be sure to exactly count the number of turns to remove, and refit with these number of turns or it will be necessary to have the toe in/out reset by an alignment shop. John F. Quilter Brisbane, California 1951 MGTD 1960 Morris Minor 1969 Austin America ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack > Hi "T" Listers, > > I have been trying to read as much as possible about the steering rack on > the > TD. One of my rack seals was ripped. > After much work I finally was able to separate the tie rod end by pressing > it > out with a puller. What is the easiest way to do that task ?? > > I noticed my tie rod boot was ripped on the other side so I am just going > to > replace both tie rod boots and both rack seals. > > My tie rod ends are different from each other with one being flat on the > bottom with no grease zerk on top / the other kind of round on the bottom > with a grease zerk on top. > > On the middle of the steering rack is a zerk which I have read about both > grease and oil for this area ???? > > Thanks, > > John > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 00:29:25 2009 From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: jvk52td@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:06:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack John, First off, the rack boots or gaiters available today don't hold up real well, so when you order them, get the ones for MGBs. they are longer than the ones for the TD and don't get stretched as much, thus last longer. they are a bit smaller in diameter at the rack end, so are a bit fussy to get on, but it can be done and they last longer. There may have been a batch of tie rod ends that cam without zerks, but I think that all do now. If you ever have to do this job again, instead of removing the tie rod ends from the steering arms, just measure from the jam nut to the flats for a wrench to fit on the tie rod, record this measurement, then loosen the jam nut and unscrew the tie rod out of the end, replace the boot, then run the tie rod back into the end until you have the same measurement - much easier and no need to have to reset the toe in setting. The shop manual says to use 90W (80W-90) gear lube in the rack. I feel that this is definitely the lubricant to use there, but there are those who will disagree with that and contend that a good lithium based grease will work fine. The main thing is that some kind of lubricant be used in the rack. I have not heard of any racks disintegrating (or even wearing out) regardless of which is used. Cheers, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 04:40:18 2009 From: "BOB GRUNAU" To: , Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:16:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack John, The main steering rack zerk fitting in the center of the rack is for GEAR oil, #90 . Get an oil gun for the rack and use the same gun on the zerk fitting on the tachometer drive gearbox. Use of grease on these two fittings means lubricant will not get into the critical areas. Bob Grunau, Canada -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of jvk52td@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:34 PM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi "T" Listers, I have been trying to read as much as possible about the steering rack on the TD. One of my rack seals was ripped. After much work I finally was able to separate the tie rod end by pressing it out with a puller. What is the easiest way to do that task ?? I noticed my tie rod boot was ripped on the other side so I am just going to replace both tie rod boots and both rack seals. My tie rod ends are different from each other with one being flat on the bottom with no grease zerk on top / the other kind of round on the bottom with a grease zerk on top. On the middle of the steering rack is a zerk which I have read about both grease and oil for this area ???? Thanks, John Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 07:02:07 2009 From: John Seim To: jvk52td@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:39:24 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Purchase 386-025 Ball Joint Puller from Moss Motors USA. Regular price $22.95, on sale now for $19.95. One tie rod end is older than the other one. 90W gear oil is to be used in the steering rack. Grease doesn't travel very well, and is hard to get the grease to flow into the tie rod ball and cup assembly. John Seim Irvine, CA USA On Nov 22, 2009, at 7:34 PM, jvk52td@aol.com wrote: > Hi "T" Listers, > > I have been trying to read as much as possible about the steering > rack on the > TD. One of my rack seals was ripped. > After much work I finally was able to separate the tie rod end by > pressing it > out with a puller. What is the easiest way to do that task ?? > > I noticed my tie rod boot was ripped on the other side so I am just > going to > replace both tie rod boots and both rack seals. > > My tie rod ends are different from each other with one being flat > on the > bottom with no grease zerk on top / the other kind of round on the > bottom > with a grease zerk on top. > > On the middle of the steering rack is a zerk which I have read > about both > grease and oil for this area ???? > > Thanks, > > John > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 09:29:59 2009 From: Ted Jackson To: jvk52td@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:38:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi John, See http://omgtr.ca/technical/highpressureoiler/highpressureoiler.htm for how to make a dedicated oiler for the steering rack and the tachometer gearbox (as Bob Grunau recommends). Either of the oilers will work better on the rack with a long flexible nozzle. I use a 90 weight Marine Gear Oil for both applications. Cheaper than the synthetics that I use in tranny and differential. Ted On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:39 AM, John Seim wrote: > Purchase 386-025 Ball Joint Puller from Moss Motors USA. Regular price > $22.95, > on sale now for $19.95. > One tie rod end is older than the other one. > > 90W gear oil is to be used in the steering rack. Grease doesn't travel very > well, and > is hard to get the grease to flow into the tie rod ball and cup assembly. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA USA > > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 7:34 PM, jvk52td@aol.com wrote: > > Hi "T" Listers, >> >> I have been trying to read as much as possible about the steering rack on >> the >> TD. One of my rack seals was ripped. >> After much work I finally was able to separate the tie rod end by pressing >> it >> out with a puller. What is the easiest way to do that task ?? >> >> I noticed my tie rod boot was ripped on the other side so I am just going >> to >> replace both tie rod boots and both rack seals. >> >> My tie rod ends are different from each other with one being flat on the >> bottom with no grease zerk on top / the other kind of round on the bottom >> with a grease zerk on top. >> >> On the middle of the steering rack is a zerk which I have read about both >> grease and oil for this area ???? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > -- Ted Jackson _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 13:08:06 2009 From: "Gene Fodor" To: "'Ted Jackson'" , Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:50:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack I've just gotten in on this thread and do I understand correctly, that the tach gear box from the generator to the tach should also have 90W and not grease? Tks Gene Vermont -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ted Jackson Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:38 AM To: jvk52td@aol.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi John, See http://omgtr.ca/technical/highpressureoiler/highpressureoiler.htm for how to make a dedicated oiler for the steering rack and the tachometer gearbox (as Bob Grunau recommends). Either of the oilers will work better on the rack with a long flexible nozzle. I use a 90 weight Marine Gear Oil for both applications. Cheaper than the synthetics that I use in tranny and differential. Ted On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:39 AM, John Seim wrote: > Purchase 386-025 Ball Joint Puller from Moss Motors USA. Regular price > $22.95, > on sale now for $19.95. > One tie rod end is older than the other one. > > 90W gear oil is to be used in the steering rack. Grease doesn't travel very > well, and > is hard to get the grease to flow into the tie rod ball and cup assembly. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA USA > > > On Nov 22, 2009, at 7:34 PM, jvk52td@aol.com wrote: > > Hi "T" Listers, >> >> I have been trying to read as much as possible about the steering rack on >> the >> TD. One of my rack seals was ripped. >> After much work I finally was able to separate the tie rod end by pressing >> it >> out with a puller. What is the easiest way to do that task ?? >> >> I noticed my tie rod boot was ripped on the other side so I am just going >> to >> replace both tie rod boots and both rack seals. >> >> My tie rod ends are different from each other with one being flat on the >> bottom with no grease zerk on top / the other kind of round on the bottom >> with a grease zerk on top. >> >> On the middle of the steering rack is a zerk which I have read about both >> grease and oil for this area ???? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive >> > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > -- Ted Jackson Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 19:49:59 2009 From: "BOB GRUNAU" To: "Gene Fodor" , "'Ted Jackson'" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:27:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Absolutely. Grease will NOT flow to the gears or the shafts for lubrication. Use gear oil. Bob Grunau Canada I've just gotten in on this thread and do I understand correctly, that the tach gear box from the generator to the tach should also have 90W and not grease? Tks Gene Vermont Hi John, See http://omgtr.ca/technical/highpressureoiler/highpressureoiler.htm for how to make a dedicated oiler for the steering rack and the tachometer gearbox (as Bob Grunau recommends). Either of the oilers will work better on the rack with a long flexible nozzle. I use a 90 weight Marine Gear Oil for both applications. Cheaper than the synthetics that I use in tranny and differential. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 20:19:41 2009 From: MARK SHERMAN To: BOB GRUNAU Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:00:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack How do you keep the oil from leaking out? Mark Sherman On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM, BOB GRUNAU wrote: > Absolutely. Grease will NOT flow to the gears or the shafts for > lubrication. > Use gear oil. > Bob Grunau > Canada > > > I've just gotten in on this thread and do I understand correctly, that the > tach gear box from the generator to the tach should also have 90W and not > grease? > Tks > Gene > Vermont > > Hi John, > > See http://omgtr.ca/technical/highpressureoiler/highpressureoiler.htm for > how to make a dedicated oiler for the steering rack and the tachometer > gearbox (as Bob Grunau recommends). Either of the oilers will work better > on the rack with a long flexible nozzle. I use a 90 weight Marine Gear Oil > for both applications. Cheaper than the synthetics that I use in tranny > and > differential. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > > -- Mark Sherman Sanolite Corporation _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 23 21:50:56 2009 From: jvk52td@aol.com To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:19:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack I would like to thank everyone who responded to my question about the tie rod ends and rack. While I am here and such a great response with many views on lubrication I would like to know if there is any type of current list on diferent types / brands of lubricants for the "T" cars. My manual for the Midget Series TD & TF seems to be very dated. Sounds like a (80w-90) gear lube for the rack. Types, weights and or brands recommended ?? Castrol 20 / 50 for the engine ?? Gearbox ?? Rear Axle ?? Thanks, John The shop manual says to use 90W (80W-90) gear lube in the rack. I feel that this is definitely the lubricant to use there, but there are those who will disagree with that and contend that a good lithium based grease will work fine. The main thing is that some kind of lubricant be used in the rack. I have not heard of any racks disintegrating (or even wearing out) regardless of which is used. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 24 05:37:07 2009 From: "BOB GRUNAU" To: "MARK SHERMAN" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:22:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi Mark, The case is reasonable sealed and will usually hold the heavy gear oil OK. Gear oil will ooze out of the case joint if you overfill. You could put a rubber band or some sort of gasket around the case to slow down any leaks. But, hey, its an MG aned supposed to leak. Bob Grunau ----- How do you keep the oil from leaking out? Mark Sherman On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM, BOB GRUNAU wrote: Absolutely. Grease will NOT flow to the gears or the shafts for lubrication. Use gear oil. Bob Grunau Canada I've just gotten in on this thread and do I understand correctly, that the tach gear box from the generator to the tach should also have 90W and not grease? Tks Gene Vermont Hi John, See http://omgtr.ca/technical/highpressureoiler/highpressureoiler.htm for how to make a dedicated oiler for the steering rack and the tachometer gearbox (as Bob Grunau recommends). Either of the oilers will work better on the rack with a long flexible nozzle. I use a 90 weight Marine Gear Oil for both applications. Cheaper than the synthetics that I use in tranny and differential. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive -- Mark Sherman Sanolite Corporation _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 24 13:25:17 2009 From: "Douglas Ormrod" To: spridgets@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:54:17 +1300 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack British cars DON'T leak, they are just marking their territory to ward off foreign makes. To top up the steering box I find it easier to remove the nipple and use a 50ml syringe and piece of tubing - warm the oil first to make it easier. Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BOB GRUNAU Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 1:22 a.m. To: MARK SHERMAN Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi Mark, The case is reasonable sealed and will usually hold the heavy gear oil OK. Gear oil will ooze out of the case joint if you overfill. You could put a rubber band or some sort of gasket around the case to slow down any leaks. But, hey, its an MG aned supposed to leak. Bob Grunau ----- How do you keep the oil from leaking out? Mark Sherman On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:27 PM, BOB GRUNAU wrote: Absolutely. Grease will NOT flow to the gears or the shafts for lubrication. Use gear oil. Bob Grunau Canada I've just gotten in on this thread and do I understand correctly, that the tach gear box from the generator to the tach should also have 90W and not grease? Tks Gene Vermont Hi John, See http://omgtr.ca/technical/highpressureoiler/highpressureoiler.htm for how to make a dedicated oiler for the steering rack and the tachometer gearbox (as Bob Grunau recommends). Either of the oilers will work better on the rack with a long flexible nozzle. I use a 90 weight Marine Gear Oil for both applications. Cheaper than the synthetics that I use in tranny and differential. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive -- Mark Sherman Sanolite Corporation Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 06:20:39 2009 From: jvk52td@aol.com To: mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Lubricants I never received replies on this question so I am trying again... I would like to know if there is anywhere to view a current up to date list on diferent types / brands of lubricants for the "T" cars. My manual for the Midget Series TD & TF seems to be very dated. Types, weights and or brands recommended ?? Engine ?? Gearbox ?? Rear Axle ?? Anything I missed ?? Thanks, John The shop manual says to use 90W (80W-90) gear lube in the rack. I feel that this is definitely the lubricant to use there, but there are those who will disagree with that and contend that a good lithium based grease will work fine. The main thing is that some kind of lubricant be used in the rack. I have not heard of any racks disintegrating (or even wearing out) regardless of which is used. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 08:51:38 2009 From: taterry@aol.com To: jvk52td@aol.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:24:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Lubricants John, start your research here: http://www.team.net/sol/tech/fluidcht.html -----Original Message----- From: jvk52td@aol.com To: mg-t@autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 5:04 am Subject: [Mg-t] TD Lubricants I never received replies on this question so I am trying again... I would like to know if there is anywhere to view a current up to date list on diferent types / brands of lubricants for the "T" cars. My manual for the Midget Series TD & TF seems to be very dated. Types, weights and or brands recommended ?? Engine ?? Gearbox ?? Rear Axle ?? Anything I missed ?? Thanks, John The shop manual says to use 90W (80W-90) gear lube in the rack. I feel that this is definitely the lubricant to use there, but there are those who will disagree with that and contend that a good lithium based grease will work fine. The main thing is that some kind of lubricant be used in the rack. I have not heard of any racks disintegrating (or even wearing out) regardless of which is used. Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 19:37:55 2009 From: MARK SHERMAN To: mg-t@autox.team.net, Bob Grunau Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi Bob: I once tried filling the rack with gear oil and it dripped out the zerk fitting for a week. (Sorry, it was just marking territory. But that territory had been previously claimed by my wife!) Perhaps I overfilled it? Or need a new zerk fitting? Happy Thanksgiving. Mark -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BOB GRUNAU Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 1:22 a.m. To: MARK SHERMAN Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi Mark, The case is reasonable sealed and will usually hold the heavy gear oil OK. Gear oil will ooze out of the case joint if you overfill. You could put a rubber band or some sort of gasket around the case to slow down any leaks. But, hey, its an MG aned supposed to leak. Bob Grunau ----- How do you keep the oil from leaking out? Mark Sherman _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 20:52:07 2009 From: "Douglas Ormrod" To: "MARK SHERMAN" , , "Bob Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:22:48 +1300 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack The secret is a length of black carpet under the car. -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MARK SHERMAN Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 3:20 p.m. To: mg-t@autox.team.net; Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi Bob: I once tried filling the rack with gear oil and it dripped out the zerk fitting for a week. (Sorry, it was just marking territory. But that territory had been previously claimed by my wife!) Perhaps I overfilled it? Or need a new zerk fitting? Happy Thanksgiving. Mark -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BOB GRUNAU Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 1:22 a.m. To: MARK SHERMAN Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Hi Mark, The case is reasonable sealed and will usually hold the heavy gear oil OK. Gear oil will ooze out of the case joint if you overfill. You could put a rubber band or some sort of gasket around the case to slow down any leaks. But, hey, its an MG aned supposed to leak. Bob Grunau ----- How do you keep the oil from leaking out? Mark Sherman Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 21:05:54 2009 From: "Dave and Liz DuBois" To: "MARK SHERMAN" Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:48:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Mark, The make caps for zerk fittings. The one on our TD leaked too and I just put a cap on it - hasn't leaked since. Cheers, Dave > Hi Bob: > > I once tried filling the rack with gear oil and it dripped out the zerk > fitting for a week. > > (Sorry, it was just marking territory. But that territory had been > previously claimed by my wife!) > > Perhaps I overfilled it? > > Or need a new zerk fitting? > > Happy Thanksgiving. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of BOB GRUNAU > Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 1:22 a.m. > To: MARK SHERMAN > Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack > > Hi Mark, > The case is reasonable sealed and will usually hold the heavy gear oil > OK. > Gear oil will ooze out of the case joint if you overfill. You could put a > rubber band or some sort of gasket around the case to slow down any > leaks. > But, hey, its an MG aned supposed to leak. > Bob Grunau > ----- > > How do you keep the oil from leaking out? > > Mark Sherman > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 25 21:20:20 2009 From: Dave and Liz DuBois To: Douglas Ormrod Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:57:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Douglas, > The secret is a length of black carpet under the car. Just don't ever step on it :-P Cheers, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 26 03:34:20 2009 From: "BOB GRUNAU" To: "Dave and Liz DuBois" , "MARK SHERMAN" Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:11:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Yep, a cap or new grease fitting will solve the problem. Either way, use gear oil in the steering rack and tacho gearbox. Bob Grunau Mark, The make caps for zerk fittings. The one on our TD leaked too and I just put a cap on it - hasn't leaked since. Cheers, Dave > Hi Bob: > > I once tried filling the rack with gear oil and it dripped out the zerk > fitting for a week. > > (Sorry, it was just marking territory. But that territory had been > previously claimed by my wife!) > > Perhaps I overfilled it? > > Or need a new zerk fitting? > > Happy Thanksgiving. > > Mark > Hi Mark, > The case is reasonable sealed and will usually hold the heavy gear oil > OK. > Gear oil will ooze out of the case joint if you overfill. You could put a > rubber band or some sort of gasket around the case to slow down any > leaks. > But, hey, its an MG aned supposed to leak. > Bob Grunau > ----- > > How do you keep the oil from leaking out? > > Mark Sherman > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 26 09:23:17 2009 From: "Larry Shoer" To: Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:57:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack Bob, I believe you are recommending oil, not grease, be used in the tach reduction gearbox. It is hard for me to believe oil would remain in the gearbox, given its original design, but rather quickly weep out through the flat seating surfaces of the two halves of the gearbox case. I rebuilt my tach reduction gearbox a number of years ago using a procedure described by Blake Urban (and written up in TSO). After sealing the mating surfaces of the case, grease is carefully pumped in through the grease fitting to essentially fill the compartment. After that, little attention is required for years. When my TD came to me the steering rack was filled with grease. The rubber boots needed replacement. I did not see a need to remove the grease, but loaded the rack with oil. Grease and oil will mix and sufficient oil was injected to reach the boots on either end. (The grease weeped from the rack for a couple of weeks.) Larry _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 26 22:11:44 2009 From: "oliver" To: Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:50:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Steering Rack the zerk fitting popped off my gear reduction for the tach. is there a recommended method for resolving this? new zerk or ??? thanks _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 27 16:54:57 2009 From: "Sales at \" Just Brits \"" To: 4 - Healeys , 4 - Jensen-Cars Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:30:40 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] [Fwd: [Spridgets] The wrong side of the road] From the Spridgets List !!! 'Nufff said !!!!!! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Spridgets] The wrong side of the road Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:41:06 +0000 From: To: Spridgets References: Left - right - wrong? http://autos.sympatico.ca/photos-videos/1962/fun-facts-about-driving-on-the-r ight-errrr-wrong-side-of-the-road So there you have it!!! _______________________________________________ Also, be SURE to check out the "Prancing Horse' pics below the last pic !! Ed _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive