From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 9 13:12:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10494043F for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:12:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A947440424 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NzcV1m00127AodY567Ba0M; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 19:11:34 +0000 Received: from GenePC ([65.96.195.105]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id P7BZ1m00X2GusAh3f7BZq1; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 19:11:34 +0000 From: "Gene" To: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 15:11:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac6tkGWXOeiFdqIUT2e1J46KGJh5Sg== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1378753894; bh=FkeOCz8MsrFjTxuI1STU1bQYq19jbjnDfWpU7LPmgXc=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dbgWG3ewFyZE/jl0zibvnxN1phLBPH6KfNW35/mNcVl24Z77aylkqw7wFycACj6/X KaS9iP3yeodikHFq9rlk62gyLm5YFdjEZVoVLFOQ9pQTEulS8S2RjaZnlgA+y8ZbcU 9qu/fH7cPmX6fw4iMte4Wrbkxty89N7+Puaz2QxTgcIsapi+bJyhfPmA4dzV+W9jfe eDGenIGp0kS0stqTcPqDmN1lAKlzSM4ajp5bEimd6/4W4rFqQ4Ux4Eqm6mHjgGP8Sx D9zMQLskd0L4Q/+zcFres+8UD+x7Cm2gBWTXxJ6vNUgCw6q58qtwHfyqaIgYEtAwYS gU2p1c3oCVWqQ== Subject: [Mg-t] TF For sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, FYI . . I have not personal interest in this car and the usual disclaimers apply. Gene I have 2 MGTF cars and would like to find a good home for one. It is a very early 1250 serial # 0609. Older restoration that has held up really well. Red with tan interior. I don't know much about the history of the car except that the previous owner passed away in 2012 and the car was last inspected 5/2011. The paint and body are at least a 9 out of 10. I know the engine was rebuilt because it got a new cam and I have the spec sheet on that. I think the restoration was pretty darn thorough and was likely in the late 90's. The interior is a 9.5/10. The chrome is close to perfect and it has desirable chrome wire wheels. It needs a new top, some brake work and a minor repair to the right front fender but it is a car that you could be proud to display at a car show. Price is variable depending on if I sort it out or someone takes it and does the work themselves. This is definitely a nice TF if you know of someone looking for one. Brett Brett E. Wright President Wright Construction Co., Inc. 802-259-2094 Phone 802-259-2689 Fax Brett Wright [BWright@wrightconstruction.com] ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 12:42:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CCE403FA for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFD240074; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 12:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f12so144187vbg.39 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:42:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=647Z1KxdYhToZBq5lTqKhnEnKGbV1Ee0ZXXtcZMbBS8=; b=dMw3096qxJXxHHJaKpEGJpWrbFu/S2/jQ6CmJgc6CHNzvoPbZvxtaq+1NukKyEFtJk xYtydPyVkrTswUprEc+yDrSP/v1ECATMbkM1mkfpMZLiDgIHv7qb/dnQE5UH1/qxj5yq dX+nptBTosekzVcwKlBshIvJBjVf6huGoJWWnVP/EH0ZKrAWhGK0i+L5OPklUjuyHHSn kfuvppHQBai2V6UuJf+oXl30n+vXxcroR3ikmGqx5aM0OIUfsAktZuTUHKy3IJiZOAaJ IQuXPsu4VozDpGaYWK/pbPEW2veJnBHyXAuMBlkvutvSODTgmW7L1/17iyq0NTzWg9P0 kK5g== b19mr2200587veh.27.1379011333262; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.96.40 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:42:13 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] (Not) gone but probably forgotten Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, I got back in the garage today and did a bit more work on the TD. This is the first time I've worked on the car in a week, or two. Been busy elsewhere. Last weekend I had a great time at the Radnor Hunt Concours, just west of Philadelphia. I didn't post this info in advance because, well, one just doesn't announce that their home will be vacant for a week. And yes, I trust you car guys but nothing posted on the Internet is private. Its ALL public domain from the moment the 'enter' key hits bottom. Anyway, today was fun. I cleaned the frame further forward and just onto the cross-member, on the right side. I then painted it. Once dry, I installed the new starter. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_100753.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_100813.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_100823.jpg I next cleaned and refinished the clutch linkage. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_103953.jpg The bolt loosely threaded into the housing is for the ground strap. I've left this bolt loose to remind me to re-install the strap. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_104004.jpg Sorry for the soft focus. And while the paint was curing on the clutch, I installed a new oil filter element into the refinished filter body. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_103658.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_103900.jpg I then cleaned and refinished the front body tub upright, plus the stabilizing rod. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_124706.jpg The fuel line needs to be touched up where it is attached to the upright. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130912_130405.jpg Tomorrow I hope to finish the left side upright and frame, up onto the cross-member. I'm REALLY close to setting the head. That's a special moment! Happy to be home! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 14:33:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79819403ED for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8403403D8 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:33:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.165] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2013 20:33:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.53] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2013 20:33:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Sep 2013 20:33:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379017996; bh=ApDbCJkBl1uQwrYEXOIrPJOoz/L7LmuxOk1tJmBuEoY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=pTd5gtFHICThcJ8hSkNP6/tByYzRoKXziGNrH7J4b+l+Fbjpn8z1FRot20RDQjLbt+9Af7DwQiFipUcv99GEHpGr39S63JqlogOZidlvYKKWSSxfA8EUTMAACombhHFOQl/xTgA+j2W8SBVOFIr3oc9dTEOf+uE2M9G1ab4XYng= JzoKII6zG.IxzdlChVGcv1smMzvqlFFPrjpCB1Q.uNNX.c06b8D14Oom2XWg D0uyDUUE.p3xEpV2G24NXXI7KLnjLBLj7qu26EjEfuruI2Kf8isq6NtzMgN5 MvhC60HXZJwKF5_eBMWvJjc1W1nvSzAkbmxaxfZ4QvQMviIzndE4G.Bk1FhH fIR8QuH5S7MlNqdvxdYNomglc7OV1IXoLgbOxusSqyAU0YApOQmUK7xBp8Uw _GoTBFpleVwX4mIfwjrrZKU0o.E_huOf1aIykmsy26EmCt_ZC3wWvZPmeK4j cp9QtpCEzewJsacT_DQcBZwOZQTlQJLXps54N.LhAmzf.1PrruhcR2wR_3q7 Z3YHChpgm00KCL5DJ1z8A8NcJZoT5iP4N_huNJpV71foDRoFXJJPyX_eFl8g dDjhcNNfTUP0T4L_KMkKAei4G1SOtK3jWf566visEWEpSBPyOKKOgYDYgv7E 1qUyyxox0i5g32gEwOO5LRgkcuaFG1sEj5LNC8S_m2bqWGbcIeo_28r4KSw- - smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2013 13:33:16 -0700 PDT From: To: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 Thread-index: Ac6v9riXZ+Y1VUmATgOQzGTUpy/4nwAAKOJg Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is tight and there are no other real issues here. Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 14:58:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C5A403F7 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD70403D8 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:56:44 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RQnJ04GrDeIHEbZBg9GHlL0HwjjJAK89lA+wpLYNGWtmwTdHcvZBom9L0YImanRp; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.146.30.176] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VKDwR-0000x6-53; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:56:43 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:56:42 -0700 References: <062A133E8C6B4B4E9CFCB6E88B5FC7EF@bboffice> To: Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Just make sure that the rear main cork gasket fits inside the groove on the rear main cap. No protrusions. No gasket cement used to hold the cork in the groove. Apply an amount of silicone gasket maker where the cork seal mates with the oil pan gaskets. That's the simple way. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 12, 2013, at 1:33 PM, wrote: > Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main > on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy > for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to > fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is > tight and there are no other real issues here. > > Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, > on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? > > Many thanks, > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 17:51:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2633A427FB for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:51:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BE5A0427F7 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:50:32 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1379029825; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=XjdIJx0bolOi/s1u7pyVtb+UmNgoDeu+rV6FXYduXQ3c/tRiBo6uhen2Jro0MoXA5 4z2feGCAz3HHwLvckA1d3E69gpS1jOz2/O13Uh+WLOM+Z4qY0booj9xdHY77bJhJzP 4IVIKp33WHu1AyZq4v+gVeWZFZAu7rbX/sQ25Nwc= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.103]) by smtpout03.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKDEW3UAP8GX9A for (sender ); Thu, 12 Sep 2013 16:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 23:50:00 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 23:50:00 GMT To: wbeech@flash.net Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net If the leak is really bad, it indicates probable wear on the scroll and the little shield. If one can tolerate quarter to half-dollar drip spots, the original seal will do. In our club, six or eight owners have tried the improved seal. Half are happy and half are not. I used the original seal type, and have no regrets. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is tight and there are no other real issues here. Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 19:19:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708B540430 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7397A403ED for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:13:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.180] by nm22.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2013 01:13:15 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.65] by tm16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2013 01:13:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp227.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2013 01:13:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379034795; bh=RkiPrRExN2X25AptKA13gCtv5SzFVNzNadRr+CIAnmA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=4Z/k5McIP/cEhM6XveNYOs8bLJ3MnKNc1dXvEfxF6SMiJtdd1y+b2FLIyVT2USGzbcy+YIYJUHGm25tUORKxFDi5CrxG6Noe7EDb4qKPaMWb2DMjQGXzVVxU76lgApS2BeSEizzDQ2+BT24w0Ut304B6IvcRZ8H3Eh4+l1yq4ME= gkNwcSIwYGUbIXj2fMqjB3Fq7YALmhtKKvPrhUI9McjtVLY8zqET02hzxvEl OX1KdJYqtNIejobypEosqEiEtrQrZqA2XrTXTgDNf5HbY99jJ9AqPSSNcOo3 Qz9K9LiIll1H7QnMp3U79Nbc8OEQGYNiu1SuH4MoakhWZUFu1uC8MqVXvAYs xpzILpk.2Zh3896DnlzgmpfqKgvkfwDi34ea3nTxs_zFJfrThjFh6VO15wCG 0ZtKBnPwvh.bB2ppxAmcLy.W0Qc2L1Jej7YBFtPw7b6nfLYJwEup6WNxtq7E aLaPGkG9eEUOI6pEx5Fu2K2p9YywNbr.Me6Ykpj6TGQltKko.DUTd3h08BGt e4aio9PfRVB.rp_ztavjsYdPpd.hTCJJdXfVqwZDEoGdbauA2aUiiLMynZW2 B1O06KvTYC1kFX1y8NB4FvBORw3P2Vv.WtTMRBcJAzLYGGdM53ZP7jIcAjor at22.b4rmBdEBGik6BEf02uQkSBXMuW8VoXkgEOUCHlyoIN8K.e5hbKQ- smtp227.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2013 01:13:15 +0000 UTC References: <20130912.195000.12374.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> From: WBEECH Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:13:14 -0500 To: "mgbob@juno.com" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Parked for 20 min, puddle is 6" in diameter. At idle it almost flows, at higher revs it slows noticeably. By "Improved Seal" are you referring to the $235.00 kit sold by Moss? Thanks, Bill Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:50 PM, "mgbob@juno.com" wrote: > If the leak is really bad, it indicates probable wear on the scroll and the little shield. > If one can tolerate quarter to half-dollar drip spots, the original seal will do. > In our club, six or eight owners have tried the improved seal. Half are happy and half are not. I used the original seal type, and have no regrets. > Bob > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 > > Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main > on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy > for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to > fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is > tight and there are no other real issues here. > > Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, > on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? > > Many thanks, > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 20:12:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5BA40451 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1245A403CF for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:12:35 -0600 (MDT) a=sgjwDJGHjnq19Rp0DNi/uQ==:17 a=WMgFIZ1jIGAA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=R-HyMnXiaSQA:10 a=a-faP46dzmdYOxHikJ0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=QTJUmHa1z09tohbdjnAA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=sgjwDJGHjnq19Rp0DNi/uQ==:117 Received: from [76.181.254.146] ([76.181.254.146:51497] helo=DanPC) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id F4/7E-26119-29472325; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 02:12:34 +0000 From: "ImOZ" To: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:12:43 -0400 Thread-index: Ac6wIuBptsxEkWL4Soe+bH8MDmJWKQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, Recently my TF suddenly would not start. After much electrical system trouble shooting, I found there was little or no gas getting to the carbs. The gas tank and fuel lines were reinstalled during restoration without the mesh screen that protects against debris. In lieu of that, I cut the fuel line and installed a modern, clear fuel filter. This seemed OK until recently. Significant debris had accumulated in the filter. Not a huge problem, I changed the filter. However, no fuel would enter the line. I siphoned the fuel from the tank (or most of it), and removed the fitting at the bottom of the tank. By means foul or fair, a small round soft ball the consistency of rubber cement rubbed off one's fingers had caught in the fitting exiting the tank, blocking the flow of fuel. I found several others like it when the last gush of petrol exited the tank into my catch-pan. I tried cleaning the tank as best I could in situ, and then hoped there were no more. Sorry, too bad, the engine choked about 25 miles later, and had to be towed home. I presume another little rubbery ball has blocked the orifice to the fuel line. I would be grateful for any advice on how to assure the tank is totally rid of such debris. But for the rest of the season, I would prefer to get a new screen brazed onto the brass fitting, or even better, procure a fitting intact with screen filter. I see that it is not available from Moss. Can anyone refer me to a source for that bit, or offer advice on procuring and fastening a substitute screen? I believe such an arrangement will block any further foreign matter left in the tank until I can properly treat the inside of the tank. Thank you in advance for your advice. Dan 54 TF ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 20:28:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F83640435 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:28:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDEE403EF for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QQuq1m0071vXlb85ESU242; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 02:28:02 +0000 Received: from [10.228.105.137] ([174.228.64.123]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QSTo1m00Y2fZNta3dSTr6c; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 02:28:00 +0000 To: "=?utf-8?B?bWdib2JAanVuby5jb20=?=" ,wbeech@flash.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:27:58 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1379039282; bh=tzWSifsdnwguHRLOXmFT/YoA8TmBYcmvFAe457hkm4I=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CENsEuKTWJ6UQZMZfH7lhh88s7Q+FGwmDVewL+nvUerbkMq6Dq3MZaVcXza3A3wLK y2mvZej0zpejbkD2b9GKeYLABQGIvcIc9tlpmSwVGlQn+bh3Jov3wawzWAuRU1px+5 JuhCTTbP9umTqIEYGqZASp2wRKU8GY7Ha740AXcZ573o/9u97Ob5Czi7Lx09iogEcd IxORXejgKK4szD7r0iCDRTcC8WmEIsFfb8P7MT/RGCDITPoyWjGLsXHzMFyy7++Xi1 hEGOBi/6D14WxPx+D2ABnla6ytqKS4pQts922ItWpnroKjY6J5xgWAPEV24DZOBcKI RIArIV6U3ECiA== Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?TD_Engine_Pull?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net You can get good results with a process / procedure using JB Weld to build the worn area up to match the Archimedes screw. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "mgbob@juno.com" To: Cc: Subject: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Date: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 6:50 pm If the leak is really bad, it indicates probable wear on the scroll and the little shield. If one can tolerate quarter to half-dollar drip spots, the original seal will do. In our club, six or eight owners have tried the improved seal. Half are happy and half are not. I used the original seal type, and have no regrets. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is tight and there are no other real issues here. Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 12 22:43:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3183540445 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D40D40067 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 22:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cypress ([86.8.152.135]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id QUjl1m00C2vXtG601UjlNR; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:43:45 +0100 a=J-4ICBUatx0A:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=nz7YSK8KieIA:10 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=FbeZItSdBY0xYvjVscQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=B0cvAcWxpcAA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=PwYPgAp4zzY326Yfju+9Og==:117 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "WBEECH" , References: <20130912.195000.12374.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <0CC33A8A-D208-4885-86D7-E99D2F060D78@flash.net> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:43:49 +0100 Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Rear Oil Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, The poor old much maligned rear crank oil seal (perfectly OK if fitted properly !) is often not the cause of a heavy leak into the bell housing. This level of leak could mean that there is a leak from either the core plug at the back of the cam, or somewhat less likely, the blanking screw at the rear of the oil gallery. I'm assuming you are leaking engine oil, not gearbox oil ! Clive Oxford, UK = ======================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "WBEECH" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > Parked for 20 min, puddle is 6" in diameter. At idle it almost flows, at > higher revs it slows noticeably. > > By "Improved Seal" are you referring to the $235.00 kit sold by Moss? > > Thanks, > Bill > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:50 PM, "mgbob@juno.com" wrote: > >> If the leak is really bad, it indicates probable wear on the scroll and >> the > little shield. >> If one can tolerate quarter to half-dollar drip spots, the original seal > will do. >> In our club, six or eight owners have tried the improved seal. Half are > happy and half are not. I used the original seal type, and have no > regrets. >> Bob >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------- >> From: >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull >> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 >> >> Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear >> main >> on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best >> remedy >> for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank >> to >> fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end > is >> tight and there are no other real issues here. >> >> Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, >> on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? >> >> Many thanks, >> Bill >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 05:39:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5BD40430 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C8F403DA for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id uz6so972160obc.33 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 04:39:31 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=0SQ0hmQtT+9IJgK2I7l+LGccMOyap24/NLTyO3LvPFk=; b=An33HGOLIChejp4YQ8nDiDJ11zMjc4QVEDS8edlAYCKBmjV9nKMLDBU6yVFGCxKAYR H8fKRknNcdN4JjJ920vARwh9Dhvl+IS0kOlWyJZaxc5abFgFpja6CEOBwhVCpnPT/3B8 bKvkC5SlBPwnVeFoNN8t2LYm+Z9e2gZ4BGaxLXkSN/rWTlKzipR3zfO3xrRpdPM7Mkk2 +dqBF97TlXcpCRMIjGp6Z5iom/SRGt6nmCikyss717qX0eD7xv69eMiwLX9dZapg78lx adDbzuqt/aI0Xr9yOoXKyF/DDEdNVbzfwN4dW/2NFSfQS7fuUvHGT8r6Tg3nWikfiU5x JAKA== ej2mr6692084obb.61.1379072371891; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 04:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rr6sm13710408oeb.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Sep 2013 04:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:39:30 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: ImOZ@columbus.rr.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Dan, a screen could be fabricated from bulk copper or brass screen wire, usually available at hardware stores. It has larger 'openings' but that's okay because you only want to trap the bigger stuff; the inline filter catching the fine debris. Both copper and brass can easily be soldered so you could make and install the new filter yourself at home. Hope this helps.B -rick Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. -------- Original message -------- From: ImOZ Date: 09/12/2013 9:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter Listers, Recently my TF suddenly would not start.B After much electrical system trouble shooting, I found there was little or no gas getting to the carbs.B The gas tank and fuel lines were reinstalled during restoration without the mesh screen that protects against debris.B In lieu of that, I cut the fuel line and installed a modern, clear fuel filter.B This seemed OK until recently.B Significant debris had accumulated in the filter.B Not a huge problem, I changed the filter.B However, no fuel would enter the line.B I siphoned the fuel from the tank (or most of it), and removed the fitting at the bottom of the tank.B By means foul or fair, a small round soft ball the consistency of rubber cement rubbed off one's fingers had caught in the fitting exiting the tank, blocking the flow of fuel.B I found several others like it when the last gush of petrol exited the tank into my catch-pan.B I tried cleaning the tank as best I could in situ, and then hoped there were no more.B Sorry, too bad, the engine choked about 25 miles later, and had to be towed home.B I presume another little rubbery ball has blocked the orifice to the fuel line.B I would be grateful for any advice on how to assure the tank is totally rid of such debris.B But for the rest of the season, I would prefer to get a new screen brazed onto the brass fitting, or even better, procure a fitting intact with screen filter.B I see that it is not available from Moss.B Can anyone refer me to a source for that bit, or offer advice on procuring and fastening a substitute screen?B I believe such an arrangement will block any further foreign matter left in the tank until I can properly treat the inside of the tank.B Thank you in advance for your advice.B Dan 54 TF ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 06:06:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDCF40511 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D0E9403DA for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:01:30 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1379073689; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=Oh0N7HPv8NhKu3TeAbFkAlNq3gnMxOyD3z2Iw7jrLr5t5h8gs6HyabRruPGFNTUm/ JILzM6//5mWM1pcXuWdOiGd8/2fXcCv/zV4tLsxMmqwSLnG8P8RMd8fgfJSYHstuEl buLVdtWk/Yjc1fEZThXWI2QxD3T5W+xsb1FXc+Tc= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKDF9U7AV78ABS for (sender ); Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:59:31 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:59:31 GMT To: wbeech@flash.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net That is, to me, a bad leak. A Moss improved seal might be the answer for you. Our rear seals rely on a rather precise fitting of seal to crank to scroll to scraper. Ours are thee main bearing crankshafts, so there is a slight tendency to wobble. When the rear bearing wears, the wobble increases, and the movement wears scraper and scroll. Some have found, also, that the crankshaft centerline is slightly misaligned with the seal. My suggestion(s) remove the sump and have a look. You may find the the cork was cut short, or the little tabs on the gasket were cut off at its installation. Shake the crankshaft. It's not likely that you will feel any movement, but if you do, it changes the approach. If you see an issue with installation of the seal, just clean it up and replace; they worked well for thousands of engines for many years and miles. If the crank is loose, or oil pressure has been dismal, its time for main bearings, which is engine out of car. That would give opportunity to measure the engine and for machine shop to line hone if necessary. It would be opportunity for the Moss seal too. Some have had great success with them, others not. I suspect that the engine has to be in good order for any seal to work properly, but that the Moss seal might be a bit more forgiving. Getting the scroll and scraper right is something to do in either choice. Whatever, do remember to keep the jiggling split pin loose in the drain hole. I have seen a few removed and, in one car, the hole filled. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: WBEECH To: "mgbob@juno.com" Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:13:14 -0500 Parked for 20 min, puddle is 6" in diameter. At idle it almost flows, at higher revs it slows noticeably. By "Improved Seal" are you referring to the $235.00 kit sold by Moss? Thanks, Bill Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:50 PM, "mgbob@juno.com" wrote: > If the leak is really bad, it indicates probable wear on the scroll and the little shield. > If one can tolerate quarter to half-dollar drip spots, the original seal will do. > In our club, six or eight owners have tried the improved seal. Half are happy and half are not. I used the original seal type, and have no regrets. > Bob > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 > > Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main > on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy > for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to > fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is > tight and there are no other real issues here. > > Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, > on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? > > Many thanks, > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 06:36:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4071940443 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD60403B2 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:35:48 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jfL368JrahjYO83TDWlfaKmgsI/bQ4dDuJgjyj+KEzi7fQ8/bY7QV6vlzfqkHhg8; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.80.78.124] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VKSbD-0000DR-Ch for mg-t@autox.team.net; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:35:47 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:35:47 -0700 Cc: MG-T Group References: <20130913022812.3FC024040D@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net You can do that, but that requires the engine out of the car, to apply JB-Weld to the oil thrower cap. In the car, that cap is on the other side of the crankshaft. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 12, 2013, at 7:27 PM, spook01@comcast.net wrote: > You can get good results with a process / procedure using JB Weld to build the worn area up to match the Archimedes screw. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: > To: > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 > > Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main > on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy > for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to > fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is > tight and there are no other real issues here. > > Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, > on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? > > Many thanks, > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com > ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 06:52:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A867A4044A for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC40403DA for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:51:27 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=npfb7xL7vQhD59MP8xlXzcqfDDt8CP5KgeYnk2oSet/FhEicsLhfCvjRyc0tH1+s; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.80.78.124] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VKSqL-0007mp-S1 for mg-t@autox.team.net; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:51:26 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:51:25 -0700 Cc: MG-T Group References: Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net McMaster-Carr sells the screen, as a roll, with an end. You just have to figure out what size diameter that you require. http://www.mcmaster.com/# John Seim Irvine, CA > -------- Original message -------- > From: ImOZ > Date: 09/12/2013 9:12 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter > > Listers, > > Recently my TF suddenly would not start. After much electrical system > trouble shooting, I found there was little or no gas getting to the carbs. > > The gas tank and fuel lines were reinstalled during restoration without the > mesh screen that protects against debris. In lieu of that, I cut the fuel > line and installed a modern, clear fuel filter. > > This seemed OK until recently.B Significant debris had accumulated in the > filter. Not a huge problem, I changed the filter. > > However, no fuel would enter the line. I siphoned the fuel from the tank > (or most of it), and removed the fitting at the bottom of the tank. > > By means foul or fair, a small round soft ball the consistency of rubber > cement rubbed off one's fingers had caught in the fitting exiting the tank, > blocking the flow of fuel. > > I found several others like it when the last gush of petrol exited the tank > into my catch-pan. I tried cleaning the tank as best I could in situ, and > then hoped there were no more. > > Sorry, too bad, the engine choked about 25 miles later, and had to be towed > home. I presume another little rubbery ball has blocked the orifice to the > fuel line. > > I would be grateful for any advice on how to assure the tank is totally rid > of such debris. > > But for the rest of the season, I would prefer to get a new screen brazed > onto the brass fitting, or even better, procure a fitting intact with screen > filter. I see that it is not available from Moss. > > Can anyone refer me to a source for that bit, or offer advice on procuring > and fastening a substitute screen? I believe such an arrangement will block > any further foreign matter left in the tank until I can properly treat the > inside of the tank. > > Thank you in advance for your advice. > > Dan > 54 TF > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donationB $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/richardolindsay@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 07:38:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFEA40514 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C680B403DB for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.137.12.191] by nm34.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2013 13:33:31 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.198] by tm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2013 13:33:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2013 13:33:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379079211; bh=QgrX/A1rAGmPFgzi7wIDTqt9xIfiPvgrYTDqV/cEP4M=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=wOmBp4BDjyxKO0WmnsVIiem7YIrM8GmnVf8qf/BsqCApV3fLpwNT/zF62jmK0Fh0jTOAj0H/IUkdJ2I/oxKly4Q3cUfpAG15LE5UX9FF0k2hczAwjfAq1+/fd3FGwL0Llp16uo4UmxMdt6nF0pz4qM6PEiajitPajqts+Y+x4B0= wQxFT2v1gB_tcH9xnCc2o7g4kMfShWwc1I9XSP_C0hv5YY_rPDtplvICQEky jNcABudcFyOjpTjaSpLu.jpIvskviYeCv_Pp7XNX6yghaJVL45SgLknv_LA0 fyMVfZgIo3alueHmM6jUlNasfNLmOnDWjUr8eDXajPdXAIU_0FwUs9tUKHzB .AkCZlto6j1TGq4sAK0YYBGPG.HmeCq_wKKvYzbgRlTAneh10htEKHQDe1O5 HXAEKeiFIKzbE5rN.eMwLr_NTBy8VmuTQZ1N2UwQQ7AM.FTP.mbiKDi7WVHF uIdO9eDoYBhsHxJISjA8HW7Qd5whD2XAy1hsRCvQmwLcKqYsLvEPN2b7Ns7p WE3lqGXVRj7C4MbTvwfolBOrvRQEgehf0qI4QEEhzTDMM.WPInoyZUx7OVgB 0yvMDr8oP9DUCJNJvk61g1YADuHeHAyfAP_CDo4CT3kNCRYuK_x1wkHRIT6T _lwmIUFkG2lYgzYqogn_mOW7nZQUIHHlY8iuYCxBa5vyPXGOGHUzwaNjgXK4 bNfj7 smtp209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2013 06:33:31 -0700 PDT References: <20130912.195000.12374.3@webmail-beta03.vgs.untd.com> <0CC33A8A-D208-4885-86D7-E99D2F060D78@flash.net> From: WBEECH Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:33:31 -0500 To: Clive Sherriff Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Rear Oil Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Definitely engine oil, will check all of these when I get it out. Thx, Bill Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:43 PM, "Clive Sherriff" wrote: > Bob, > > The poor old much maligned rear crank oil seal (perfectly OK if fitted properly !) is often not the cause of a heavy leak into the bell housing. > > This level of leak could mean that there is a leak from either the core plug at the back of the cam, or somewhat less likely, the blanking screw at the rear of the oil gallery. > > I'm assuming you are leaking engine oil, not gearbox oil ! > > Clive > Oxford, UK > = ======================= > ----- Original Message ----- From: "WBEECH" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > > >> Parked for 20 min, puddle is 6" in diameter. At idle it almost flows, at >> higher revs it slows noticeably. >> >> By "Improved Seal" are you referring to the $235.00 kit sold by Moss? >> >> Thanks, >> Bill >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:50 PM, "mgbob@juno.com" wrote: >> >>> If the leak is really bad, it indicates probable wear on the scroll and the >> little shield. >>> If one can tolerate quarter to half-dollar drip spots, the original seal >> will do. >>> In our club, six or eight owners have tried the improved seal. Half are >> happy and half are not. I used the original seal type, and have no regrets. >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull >>> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 15:33:49 -0500 >>> >>> Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main >>> on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy >>> for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to >>> fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end >> is >>> tight and there are no other real issues here. >>> >>> Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, >>> on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Bill >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mg-t@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob@juno.com >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 07:43:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FB84042E for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:43:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from s417.sureserver.com (s417.sureserver.com [216.35.197.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EB240407 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5384 invoked by uid 518); 13 Sep 2013 13:43:36 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=" To: =?iso-8859-1?B?UmljayBMaW5kc2F5?= , =?iso-8859-1?B?IiI=?= , =?iso-8859-1?B?IiI=?= Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:43:36 -0800 References: Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?iso-8859-1?q?Petrol_Screen_Filter?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net But why on earth go to all that trouble when Moss does sell a new adapter with correct mesh screen installed already for only $26.95? Moss part number 376-665. Lawrie > -------Original Message------- > From: Rick Lindsay > To: ImOZ@columbus.rr.com, mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter > Sent: 13 Sep '13 03:39 > > Dan, a screen could be fabricated from bulk copper or brass screen wire, usually available at hardware stores. It has larger 'openings' but that's okay because you only want to trap the bigger stuff; the inline filter catching the fine debris. Both copper and brass can easily be soldered so you could make and install the new filter yourself at home. Hope this helps.B > > -rick > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII - the rectangle with rounded corners, just like a BlackBerry. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: ImOZ > Date: 09/12/2013 9:12 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: Mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter > > Listers, > > > > Recently my TF suddenly would not start.B After much electrical system > trouble shooting, I found there was little or no gas getting to the carbs.B > > > > The gas tank and fuel lines were reinstalled during restoration without the > mesh screen that protects against debris.B In lieu of that, I cut the fuel > line and installed a modern, clear fuel filter.B > > > > This seemed OK until recently.B Significant debris had accumulated in the > filter.B Not a huge problem, I changed the filter.B > > > > However, no fuel would enter the line.B I siphoned the fuel from the tank > (or most of it), and removed the fitting at the bottom of the tank.B > > > > By means foul or fair, a small round soft ball the consistency of rubber > cement rubbed off one's fingers had caught in the fitting exiting the tank, > blocking the flow of fuel.B > > > > I found several others like it when the last gush of petrol exited the tank > into my catch-pan.B I tried cleaning the tank as best I could in situ, and > then hoped there were no more.B > > > > Sorry, too bad, the engine choked about 25 miles later, and had to be towed > home.B I presume another little rubbery ball has blocked the orifice to the > fuel line.B > > > > I would be grateful for any advice on how to assure the tank is totally rid > of such debris.B > > > > But for the rest of the season, I would prefer to get a new screen brazed > onto the brass fitting, or even better, procure a fitting intact with screen > filter.B I see that it is not available from Moss.B > > > > Can anyone refer me to a source for that bit, or offer advice on procuring > and fastening a substitute screen?B I believe such an arrangement will block > any further foreign matter left in the tank until I can properly treat the > inside of the tank.B > > > > Thank you in advance for your advice.B > > > > Dan > > 54 TF > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donationB $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/richardolindsay@gmail.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie@britcars.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 13 07:53:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B37740407 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:53:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8D540407 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 07:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QcDG1m00616LCl057dog1j; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:48:40 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Qdog1m00T2xV5no3SdogpM; Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:48:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 13:48:37 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: WBEECH s=q20121106; t=1379080120; bh=7rh+Ju//Fx+Uas7yPsZp/sLpKEh0FaN8hjjuH4CSxC0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=MQlYGVCYcX1LvVZk7fNfJfIkYZrOnMJa/T9+2GFkRaK1ppTa+G5bZdK+U35lP9MJu DKPyWo0ua6yN6rYy6zPud4jz8C+DJBv5EB5G48+O1bjb0uXqurXnleXQy4zO0s/Olq eLCY3Sx/sqod/b1ig/VlTQs38Vl4eJF3KX3DqSn7QyuFALJeN3IE3KxG0z8A2pCDuB 4fRO4dEhYjB1OXvrpkZweBJ++UeSPCuXEOBz7Toj4Uq3bsd9asvZIKhRnRky/Zxb97 4V/woEvObomfsoVXQhYhYfMHV7WuaB+BWcyQPejYWZX+VAAP/Ek5rHg6NdHA9k4ODF BDueFV4CuXJ4A== Cc: mg-t Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Rear Oil Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I vote for taking a look at that rear oil gallery plug as well as the cam core plug. After removing and replacing a newly rebuilt engine a couple of times, trying to fix what I thought to be a leaking rear seal, I reinstalled the engine w/o the gearbox (maybe w/o the flywheel, it was 30 years ago!), started the engine and found the gallery plug to be the culprit. Thereafter, I always sealed those threads! Ed Woods ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 14 10:00:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6151A42974 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0C240410; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 07:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j10so2157262oah.41 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 06:00:54 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=AO6Di5gGAwi0H/fRULUOey5KF36AIIpcaExujXjEVzg=; b=NyXfx8VvSyZ/4kPZLDE+mm7PL8ZkHtLRjv67+eyY7cychBLUySnMn7EnlJE9WMGV2I hi4DPlTEJAtS30sRpfTeJRG/jTcsDO+/ZTu9Hm1FAazJYJWsKBHgThUn0qPv4Xs0i4BC caFijeWxPlfaaSWMu7GAJjcve8+EVJ9+jMbRwJOw0oxu9r3q8P7xsPcftjSnCOuscVxu /Qt5ljcEmJ/lnoBWWUr8KEapbahifPY9gxDaIqF2n0wX8Zz47IDY4RbsihrpCbHBHa/t sOpIPU/DoHBJpyTW81qble+/q8Ovr0nk8gycjn2BTqiwhaQjlAiDvciOGe7et61jXFf0 vMBg== ou14mr581872oeb.58.1379163654003; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 06:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d3sm23016971oek.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Sep 2013 06:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:00:50 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: tr3a@yahoogroups.com, mgs@autox.team.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Autumn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends,B My recent trip to Philadelphia reminded me that autumn is just around the corner, although at 93 degrees here in Houston, you couldn't prove it by me!B Autumn is my favorite season, B especially in the early morning when there's 'frost on the pumpkin'. Great driving weather, especially in an open sports car, all bundled up with jacket, scarf, cap and gloves. I especially like the country roads strewn with colored leaves - to be avoided when wet and breaking with skinny tires.B Sports car engines love oxygen-rich cold, dense air. It seems to make them come alive. There's just something special about a perfectly purring engine under a blue sky and bright sun, with white exhaust steam condensing in the cold air. But alas, there are very few of those days here on the south coast. Still, one can drive, top down, all winter long. Not a bad trade off, I guess. -rick, waxing poetically this morning ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 14 11:59:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DC940EBA for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE5540546 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 07:54:46 -0600 (MDT) a=sgjwDJGHjnq19Rp0DNi/uQ==:17 a=WMgFIZ1jIGAA:10 a=O5t_y7nDciwA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=aCwNF0Tz9q0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=l1sGaijAtpKimJy_MyUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=sgjwDJGHjnq19Rp0DNi/uQ==:117 Received: from [76.181.254.146] ([76.181.254.146:49231] helo=DanPC) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 23/1E-27973-0AA64325; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 13:54:40 +0000 From: "ImOZ" To: "'MG-T Group'" References: <0C57F950-FA4E-46CC-A80E-4175EB29DB83@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 09:54:50 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJV0GNxkUUrDc6Pxtetj7E9KNoBwAF/i20umKsGG2A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you for the several quick and excellent replies. As always, this list is invaluable. Dan > Subject: [Mg-t] Petrol Screen Filter > > Listers, > > > Can anyone refer me to a source for that bit, or offer advice on > procuring and fastening a substitute screen? I believe such an > arrangement will block any further foreign matter left in the tank > until I can properly treat the inside of the tank. > > Thank you in advance for your advice. > > Dan > 54 TF > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donationB > $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/richardolindsay@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/imoz@columbus.rr.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 14 19:43:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D3D40E1F for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com (mail-vb0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B691403FC for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 17:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id p13so1885366vbe.5 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:00:15 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FrIXfu338xBltv+4txw6Aac4PlFAARqfcIXv0k+9xN0=; b=LoXP0GHmWmpkkavDqiHUpRoMa9lC+/+pGsCU1uOddopw8cFU4rwwMirZjBOvIIXzJg 7ktdVMB26bES3gf7cg7vw5aDV7bhb85YpmhQyZ7ot2IMENlASb7WmxvmXIBuwGK1nmkr 6ShF+aNA2CHt9xN/6Fp4Ks/utdzjF3CGBliydn0VZZ1vm9ueFogkFB5l0sfg9bPqDFEE EGRbvXIsIGXqW4otnubPyikcrE9IvwG6zScFJhYzA+byPJLzV76z/fjnWpKHg9625QvN BTfyJk3ax37lgHSTnMvzxOz5tmQPV2V65x/nCjhFZeP4d7dLFxnMslPTTPieB0YG1mTD QAIA== Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.6.129 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 18:00:14 -0500 From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: "Mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] Racing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net A friend did some damage to the engine in his MG TF engine at Road America last week. He wants to go faster and is considering a swap to a Ford V8-60 engine. The T Series cars race in the prewar class. So he has to come up with proof that a V8-60 was installed in an MG racing car before World War II. Can any cite such proof? John Gunnell Iola, WI -- "Gunner" John Gunnell PO Box 87 Iola, WI 54945 Ph: 715-445-4262 Cell: 715-281-5925 LIVIN' THE DREAM Please visit Gunner's Great Garage Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, Hot Rod Hotline, Engine Builder, Hot Rod & Restoration, Keith Martin's Sports Car Market, Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance Garage, Garage Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great Garage News (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car Review, Smoke Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Keith Martin's American Car Collector, Gearhead News, Keith Larsen Show Newstalk 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy Broadcasting System's Legends of Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & Occasional Others. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 03:43:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815DF40654 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 03:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759424006D for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cypress ([86.8.152.135]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id RKvC1m00Y2vXtG601KvDY7; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:55:13 +0100 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=qQNM15OicCoA:10 a=5Bwo4ec7AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=5NGJ7tRWAAAA:8 a=V_dgsoH2AAAA:8 a=LEFlMS27dSliEXmxM_kA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rcqMbX8PMdsA:10 a=CEX7KmiTlSwA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=I77azVGnNwAA:10 a=ysOedpSL54oA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=PwYPgAp4zzY326Yfju+9Og==:117 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "gunnellj tds.net" , References: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:55:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Racing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hopefully Not ! Clive Oxford, UK = ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [Mg-t] Racing question >A friend did some damage to the engine in his MG TF engine at Road America > last week. He wants to go faster and is considering a swap to a Ford V8-60 > engine. The T Series cars race in the prewar class. So he has to come up > with proof that a V8-60 was installed in an MG racing car before World War > II. Can any cite such proof? > > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > > -- > > "Gunner" > > John Gunnell > PO Box 87 > Iola, WI 54945 > Ph: 715-445-4262 > Cell: 715-281-5925 > > LIVIN' THE DREAM > > Please visit Gunner's Great Garage > > Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery > > E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 > > Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) > > Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com > > Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com > > Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars > Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), > Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, Hot > Rod Hotline, Engine Builder, Hot Rod & Restoration, Keith Martin's Sports > Car Market, Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance > Garage, Garage Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great > Garage News (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car > Review, > Smoke Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Keith > Martin's American Car Collector, Gearhead News, Keith Larsen Show Newstalk > 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy Broadcasting System's Legends of > Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & Occasional Others. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 07:21:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B5840EBA for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail238c25-1785.carrierzone.com (mail238c25-1785.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8182B40425 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 05:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plausa.com (plaseram-gw.customer.alter.net [63.66.38.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail238c25-1785.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r8FB44wX008821; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:04:07 +0000 Received: from 10.10.0.11 by plausa.com with SMTP; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:05:11 -0400 Received: from MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.COM ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2]) by MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.com ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:05:11 -0400 From: Ron Olds To: "wbeech@flash.net" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Thread-Index: Ac6yAwAbyxo0ZfjPTye4FIFxCWC2Rw== Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:05:09 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.10.0.86] a=eu7a6JDjiHcA:10 a=aWpDN6JOaUgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=JOnvdvf4AAAA:8 a=FvFoKeSibhsA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=6VgHB8F89dttY1DLGTMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=fm6Sv6J__GwA:10 a=v2V8PyU7F8UA:10 a=kB584znziBIA:10 a=zee8tk4_CSIA:10 a=zhMRcyEhnvUA:10 a=0mUpw9oFRS8A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=jHqhL58HGh8A:10 a=mg7i2Q_lcIeiETKx:21 a=MdAVwvh-tzQJ4pcb:21 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and installing the Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is coming from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the crankshaft installed? Ronald Olds Sales Manager Plasser American Corporation PO Box 5464 2001 Myers Road Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 Phone (757) 543-3526 Cell (630) 240-0818 Fax (757) 494-7186 The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, dissemination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:34 PM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main on the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy for this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to fit some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is tight and there are no other real issues here. Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, on-line, to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 09:05:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2879240555 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 09:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (unknown [76.96.62.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE0340425 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RQFJ1m0030bG4ec55QZiEX; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:33:42 +0000 Received: from [10.236.63.99] ([174.237.2.165]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RQZZ1m00W3Zcp2e3PQZc7S; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:33:40 +0000 To: Mg-t@autox.team.net From: "=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=" Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:33:39 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1379248422; bh=Ve/WG13QGdKeAxAS9qO3TiNVLcnk5rq/yUuLhyVrgGk=; h=Received:Received:To:From:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KN/jiOR2YzXIbFRsbjpXeyYH+k1o6iSqFmsNAUNtkQ8LBdDCxj4q28BbNDOc8iLw+ To8bKF5hk/ybGkSyfXZiQgXhz0HitSYHubw+SvBYnYmz7aoeX62H454zcxDttApAem j4a/cMDyVXxoXyEJMmRNAM4ujMleOdTlXZ9V4CPEYh756cA4si7KLW02d2B9rkKms5 zMAWVFCAhxEM6L+B/Ljait2dX/qtC4KLiqlJZCCYYF+PHqFC9CdYNrryWc/JhQAzTS otTX7jeRxcg9S57wF5os075NahAFSg8IRo1qIxRuR6AGYhUkiSjfC2YChMSio35jBt o70JQxRwFJn1g== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?Racing_question?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net For enough money I can "document" it for him. All the way up to the rare 1951 454 chevy! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "gunnellj tds.net" , Subject: [Mg-t] Racing question Date: Sun, Sep 15, 2013 2:55 am Hopefully Not ! Clive Oxford, UK = ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "gunnellj tds.net" To: Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:00 AM Subject: [Mg-t] Racing question >A friend did some damage to the engine in his MG TF engine at Road America > last week. He wants to go faster and is considering a swap to a Ford V8-60 > engine. The T Series cars race in the prewar class. So he has to come up > with proof that a V8-60 was installed in an MG racing car before World War > II. Can any cite such proof? > > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI > > -- > > "Gunner" > > John Gunnell > PO Box 87 > Iola, WI 54945 > Ph: 715-445-4262 > Cell: 715-281-5925 > > LIVIN' THE DREAM > > Please visit Gunner's Great Garage > > Restoration Shop - Automotive Book Shop - Art Gallery > > E6110 Fuhs Rd, Manawa, WI 54949 > > Cell: 715-281-5925 (anytime) > > Take A Slide Show Tour of the Shop at www.gunnersgreatgarage.com > > Check my blog Gunner's Garage at www.oldcarsweekly.com > > Publications and Websites I Contribute To: Old Cars Weekly, Old Cars > Restoration Guide, For Vettes Only, Amos Auto Enthusiast Weekly (digital), > Auto Enthusiast (print), Towing & Recovery Footnotes, Auto Restorer, Hot > Rod Hotline, Engine Builder, Hot Rod & Restoration, Keith Martin's Sports > Car Market, Vintage Truck, Vette Vues, Free Riders Press, Second Chance > Garage, Garage Style, Ol Skool Rodz, Car Kulture Deluxe, Gunner's Great > Garage News (blog), Gunner's Garage (blog), Super Chevy, Muscle Car > Review, > Smoke Signals, Pontiac Registry (Website), Classic Motorsports, Keith > Martin's American Car Collector, Gearhead News, Keith Larsen Show Newstalk > 1110 / WBLT Radio Charlotte, N.C., Muzzy Broadcasting System's Legends of > Country B-104.9 Stevens Point WI & Occasional Others. > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 09:07:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113E842711 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 09:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B93640425 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RQx51m0010cZkys5FQzpFM; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:59:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([98.237.116.198]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RQzo1m00B4GubUa3WQzpVd; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:59:49 +0000 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:59:46 -0400 From: Charlie Baldwin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: s=q20121106; t=1379249989; bh=UjiOh/+Gesm8n5c8KpBd2iLr1CFvu4PRRxXtFd8jbe0=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=MVtVkFD74wwkcZPA7lY8dhNVhnitS4n2w0TDN/2yeSy4uhQj1cLwu/ywnPZNI+veS 5fxTEwfyHHW7j7CYH+nRO1qBbcgg6e1kfJMRVVPewLfVGIB2FKG8onQhhQIJN/TNtR MA/iCNnYvRkqFpOWHOfvB3Phfp5tZ42trwThdMLEPVL26y5/10cDH7cP6vxGUg8bCD ZC6y8jRaNO5CP/yL8gnjf4AImrGJVogVgcSaOLKbpTF9mCUb2i3MVVq8bu0iC6EUAK TP+EcfQrvcuuFQPieEZ9v7fmQmN1JqxZPNUQy6hYsMg7MJfWmHxq/2bqrkqSL+xvWW 1/Z3VHRjE695Q== Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Racing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net John, those are some crazy rules since the car itself is close to ten years after WW II. My impression was that they put T series cars in the prewar class because they are relatively slow compared to many of their contemporaries, or the specific driver's skill level makes him and his car a good match for the prewar cars. On 9/14/2013 7:00 PM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: > A friend did some damage to the engine in his MG TF engine at Road America > last week. He wants to go faster and is considering a swap to a Ford V8-60 > engine. The T Series cars race in the prewar class. So he has to come up > with proof that a V8-60 was installed in an MG racing car before World War > II. Can any cite such proof? > > > John Gunnell > Iola, WI ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 10:40:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4200340436 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:40:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31604041C for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:31:06 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nmjWcqWrC7OXSE+guC7JVlmcgLsvFa0txonjh6qYu00Ygjob1jjNpKY+ZKXTyb3q; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.56.1.52] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VLCPj-0006D1-C6; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 09:30:59 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:30:57 -0700 References: To: Ron Olds Cc: MG-T Group Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net With the oil pan removed, yes. There are two tapered pins, that you need to pull out. They, along with four bolts, secure the flywheel to the crankshaft. Look to see if the flywheel has been contacting the seal. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 15, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Ron Olds wrote: > I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and installing the > Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is coming > from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the crankshaft > installed? > > Ronald Olds > Sales Manager > Plasser American Corporation > PO Box 5464 > 2001 Myers Road > Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 > > Phone (757) 543-3526 > Cell (630) 240-0818 > Fax (757) 494-7186 > > The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be > proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of > the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use > is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, dissemination or copying by > anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies > of the original transmittal. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:34 PM > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > > Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main on > the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy for > this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to fit > some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is tight > and there are no other real issues here. > > Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, on-line, > to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? > > Many thanks, > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 10:43:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5A642707 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 10:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from s417.sureserver.com (s417.sureserver.com [216.35.197.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE994040E for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 07:52:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 29170 invoked by uid 518); 15 Sep 2013 13:52:13 -0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=" To: =?iso-8859-1?B?Um9uIE9sZHM=?= , =?iso-8859-1?B?d2JlZWNoQGZsYXNoLm5ldA==?= , =?iso-8859-1?B?bWctdEBhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldA==?= Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 05:52:13 -0800 References: Subject: Re: [Mg-t] =?iso-8859-1?q?TD_Engine_Pull?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net With difficulty, Ron, (you have to beat it backwards with a heavy plastic hammer to get the drive pins free of the crank flange), but remember you also have to remove the oil pan. Lawrie > -------Original Message------- > From: Ron Olds > To: wbeech@flash.net , mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > Sent: 15 Sep '13 03:05 > > I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and installing the > Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is coming > from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the crankshaft > installed? > > Ronald Olds > Sales Manager > Plasser American Corporation > PO Box 5464 > 2001 Myers Road > Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 > > Phone (757) 543-3526 > Cell (630) 240-0818 > Fax (757) 494-7186 > > The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be > proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of > the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use > is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, dissemination or copying by > anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies > of the original transmittal. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:34 PM > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > > Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear main on > the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy for > this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to fit > some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is tight > and there are no other real issues here. > > Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, on-line, > to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? > > Many thanks, > Bill > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie@britcars.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 18:48:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393194274D for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 18:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-2.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D751640075 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cypress ([86.8.152.135]) by know-smtprelay-2-imp with bizsmtp id RavH1m00r2vXtG601avHXB; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 23:55:17 +0100 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=FvFoKeSibhsA:10 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=TNfCYeIZDWrml3a-jtIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=fm6Sv6J__GwA:10 a=v2V8PyU7F8UA:10 a=kB584znziBIA:10 a=zee8tk4_CSIA:10 a=zhMRcyEhnvUA:10 a=0mUpw9oFRS8A:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=jHqhL58HGh8A:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=QuUu0lj3c8Hiv8JA:21 a=pmR8QtMaj_1MnJjL:21 a=PwYPgAp4zzY326Yfju+9Og==:117 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "John Seim" , "Ron Olds" References: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 23:55:21 +0100 Cc: MG-T Group Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Do not wory about the pins, they are only for location and do not secure the flywheel Clive = ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Seim" To: "Ron Olds" Cc: "MG-T Group" Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > With the oil pan removed, yes. > There are two tapered pins, that you need to pull out. They, along with > four > bolts, secure the flywheel to the crankshaft. > Look to see if the flywheel has been contacting the seal. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA > > On Sep 15, 2013, at 4:05 AM, Ron Olds wrote: > >> I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and >> installing > the >> Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is > coming >> from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the > crankshaft >> installed? >> >> Ronald Olds >> Sales Manager >> Plasser American Corporation >> PO Box 5464 >> 2001 Myers Road >> Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 >> >> Phone (757) 543-3526 >> Cell (630) 240-0818 >> Fax (757) 494-7186 >> >> The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be >> proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the >> use > of >> the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other >> such > use >> is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, dissemination or >> copying > by >> anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you > have >> received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all > copies >> of the original transmittal. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of wbeech@flash.net >> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:34 PM >> To: mg-t@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull >> >> Finally getting around to the long-overdue task for replacing the rear >> main > on >> the '52TD. What is the consensus of the list as far as the best remedy >> for >> this repair/replacement? I would rather not have to grind the crank to >> fit >> some aftermarket product. Just going to do the seals and the top-end is > tight >> and there are no other real issues here. >> >> Also, as this is my first MGT engine job where is the best resource, > on-line, >> to go to for soup-to-nuts guidance? >> >> Many thanks, >> Bill >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 15 20:01:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B3740521 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 20:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f181.google.com (mail-ye0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314874040E for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:46:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f181.google.com with SMTP id r14so1438886yen.12 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:46:29 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=nBLeSuqvqt2cTXiB0MGzRmw5EE7CWMesVqBiZ5c16QI=; b=kuthjIEfDIOBw3W75Ad/4jfmSz2xjkR0ytzK2KzIyMZFDpO7P3L6g4+2+9XNwupAvc QTimE/tZXy/G4CmMCY0BQBRfhFAezydNYWbuQFaBGOwvK/lQPFTaJul0FUO66VOE9+8i SnYUoJIh91FzDqY5b9QnCV+kOfxHxlcHP9KmPqWoaHqtyp67+TNB9D+EsRvOmcm0/8RX 3rBFhQkawJ/jjsJW0CIl0BKtkeWPsQ5iMTneL2UhnrCbwrgj0oEhtGThda1tlHraplGY v4S5ZEu1QPAKQI7d/nPTJWBR/j6Tkr5iNsy/JuV+wdoxieBWec62jYHeVwnroHnQjx4K QsaQ== l21mr25805105yha.32.1379288789468; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c26sm32445905yhm.13.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Sep 2013 16:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 18:46:26 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, I seek knowledge. My '53 TD2's steering rack has been lubricated with grease, instead if oil. Should I try to disassemble and clean it or stick with the grease? Or add oil, thereby diluting the grease? This car will be used in warm/hot weather only. Advice appreciated. Thanks, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 07:05:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C16240410 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2566540401 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 05:43:18 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1379331791; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=ep/8dAg7wcEEQf1ajIE9H+ku0fefwps8Utf/hP1A7gmwGaDEXybNI+Sx72SKU0nHV cxYEfhm1Okq/plEM0ocatBmsY2/ki4DFSKlAe85lpJ/7/GDMeuXwaudDEwZVhx2EFa JjMuy6MWXDGih1KKAySp92rq3Q63jbSXKt6i1FDI= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.101]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKDP5XDAMGADYS for (sender ); Mon, 16 Sep 2013 04:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta01.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:41:51 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:41:51 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, Good news on this--according to Chip Olds, tech editor of TSO for years, it doesn't matter. While I would use oil for for initial fill or topping up, if there is no lash in the rack now, no harm has been done. 1/3 pint is the prescribed initial fill amount. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Rack Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 18:46:26 -0500 Hello Friends, I seek knowledge. My '53 TD2's steering rack has been lubricated with grease, instead if oil. Should I try to disassemble and clean it or stick with the grease? Or add oil, thereby diluting the grease? This car will be used in warm/hot weather only. Advice appreciated. Thanks, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 16 08:24:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CD940443 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9C8403E9 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:57:30 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=h4lV9Fxtk6mWGBAFbqfj1+/y5mvWkJmD4wasHxMRsDa1e0Zy/Xd8k4OQ/OyAkdLN; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.186.193.153] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VLYMm-0000Vc-FI; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:57:24 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 05:57:22 -0700 References: To: Rick Lindsay , MG-T Group Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Add oil. The damage is already done. Chances are, one, if not both tie rod swivel ends could be loose, from lack of lubrication. They can be rebuild, through disassembly, and changing some shim thickness. With the car raised up, and moving front and back one front wheel at a time, listen for a click, or clunk sound. If you hear one, that side requires rebuilding. I have rebuild them on many cars. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 15, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > I seek knowledge. My '53 TD2's steering rack has been lubricated with grease, instead if oil. Should I try to disassemble and clean it or stick with the grease? Or add oil, thereby diluting the grease? This car will be used in warm/hot weather only. Advice appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 17 07:13:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0049403B1 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:13:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EA540066 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b20so2626750yha.40 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:32:43 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=3vL1ggP/TVi5MhT4UcZc8PeYjxzsg3g0xWTJvjYerLU=; b=oh/7Swztbp/Q6cFz4mLrGpk5C5BSpACBJz5BqN82t6h7rnfmGRL7RAr+qGAORDyyBJ U+TtS7M3bHpFE2AhT/61jooW01Uec97fQUgStIOGj+2p9d4DhLFGp5a4wqj8wWnT6/tY lJD1ZLgaSKCNT2aB6lo9FbFEgcUOYdSMFtW3ZKiTgc2ez8JQ8VT7QhYPVhPiZ5yNGlXX ubDA393wZ1T73nNUM7qYE2jSHc3coLOaIuRWpjUK+hKcMSMMAChOTsijLGLLtEw3X5R+ 2uhNoESGZiyAV9SmnoZbwZLb8b0CAyZbMltRKFb8M0DtE4Wv85LriUMrGVkDWm8Kqicu fRsg== o48mr2330160yhd.63.1379421162908; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 9sm34242591yhd.19.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Sep 2013 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:32:41 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Two-tone paint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends,B I intend to paint my '53 TD in a two-tone color scheme; Autumn Red tub, bonnet, tank and rear valence. I am, however, in a quandary about the front valence. Would it look better in red or black? The grill is Honey Tan to match the interior.B I'm leaning toward black so as to not make so much of a checker-board motif. You thoughts please? -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 17 07:55:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51566403EB for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5949140329 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:55:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id x14so3944397vbb.37 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:55:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mkdXU6EQoQtFRVzMrXMZcGtVe48RKNJTTDhwm7megbo=; b=GADl164RMsAvdI2sHSABT7D75OnnTLCwJEtFRgpOWEPO0+EFx5zp8H0Pg6lt8TEAD4 gKFUtsj1QQPKMZYH3e0D46aYeBGIO57bSCeSk6YnHynjumbtvnLA+iuDhuMpzdP6rEo1 4VNR3/urH0AYQidR2+0LclpRGm6hNXPfn0FpxtcGB7VOEqN9C00Czcingi9UJYiGt645 apz4bXbeOfBg+k7QpmflThwXn9fXH/BHySjmdv9s3XORe6AGLfW5f+yUlQKLQ3fLKBW5 Giom9aqQl+9+AGtaacrBUNbKTXJj+BZfKvM8c7BShGcgBnpkoJvBVWYfeIQGpfTvSCnE vhtw== iy13mr32708685vec.11.1379426118772; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:55:18 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] TD - plug wire orientation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, We all know the XPAG's (like most all 4-cylinder L4 engines) firing order is 1-3-4-2, rotating anti-clockwise, but what is the correct plug wire orientation. From many of the pictures I see, the ideal location is for #1 is to be at the lower left distributor post. And of course, that can easily be achieved by aligning the distributor shaft in that orientation with #1 at TDC. However...how did M.G. align the rotor / plug wires? Anyone know? Any factory pictures revealing the secret? Thanks, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 17 08:41:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBEB403C8 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02F640322 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 14:41:41 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.53] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 14:41:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2013 14:41:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379428900; bh=AGEcPxYLp/mgzHEBq+1zx9fPO6cVjt2UlHgpP5hcgVE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=15avo7KP/8rl6hAg/4uYSXQ68CfmwV0TiQ1I3qos2FM2cKFC3du+00R8+dPzUX8RC3svacf31sF6IIHicjt8L7ijjoib36eitBBtpT0B+VrgMXSyHitBMbRW20pG1HI9GrFLwx4HmspiplEpttcEKI9V/QAWs92br0vE+FiUzR4= 1b1X9ShGv9bU0GhNycFssrSdCv1oWLBRhe3aceFPvnW9_EUrdXd5jFAlaLTC Yl3XqnemzwoXO2GPaV41BMgyg3cryPeA7phL39cXvso03ww3goYSdEckl9I_ h3F6LqE23.0ng.w2L3uzDY2_wijCRmHSzDHAAkZGAE9yf_60x.TgIoU4qudK vLP5NFiE0FMZSiDneqiE.hIV_Tom_poz4ZxKuuDYSksotVjnbbAEQRPYtSLe se8F1E1TeMVG1L9hRX3xMcQPMd_7p00u9jj1srvPk8UVfXPGeqm0EchVY87W D6AbY5aY2xMWZRHTcHpzXZjVdXkU136Z23UXIwJDDJc_uegibkpbP3ffSbN8 A1v5gaT.AkQAOpAPyklpz9c1Vqr30dSJC1F3yzDVA8Bmmv5lp7ENygCr4qeK vaegBadLBKXLpjbk6GeZ_KxXr4gRAukGyBLT0OXHa6f.7FQCbi3W1v8G.kQq Jisx4JkYB5DgfAlJy2tmDYYY2xyGWJ6Kx0AVPqp1Pll5i smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2013 07:41:40 -0700 PDT From: To: "'John Seim'" , "'Rick Lindsay'" , "'MG-T Group'" References: <3D4F94C0-5031-43E9-BCF5-243FD03A0435@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:41:33 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac6y6LIR8DhkHrCXQDesAwKQUp3jOQAyaX9g Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net While the wheels seem to be tight, I can grebe the tie rod and shake it to hear, and feel, a click/clunk. Ends appear to be tight at the wheel. Does the whole rack need to come out for rebuilding? Is this a shim adjustment? Is it OK, as is? Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Seim Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:57 AM To: Rick Lindsay; MG-T Group Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Rack Add oil. The damage is already done. Chances are, one, if not both tie rod swivel ends could be loose, from lack of lubrication. They can be rebuild, through disassembly, and changing some shim thickness. With the car raised up, and moving front and back one front wheel at a time, listen for a click, or clunk sound. If you hear one, that side requires rebuilding. I have rebuild them on many cars. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 15, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > Hello Friends, > > I seek knowledge. My '53 TD2's steering rack has been lubricated with grease, instead if oil. Should I try to disassemble and clean it or stick with the grease? Or add oil, thereby diluting the grease? This car will be used in warm/hot weather only. Advice appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/wbeech@flash.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 17 08:50:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C38B403F6 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02A24003B for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:47:18 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rzogCE+bNq31Z68kcWeD2rUkYMiA81OOcEzEHhKjd7acvfW3rf1EXVXGLmCgyGCv; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [108.71.35.230] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VLwYV-0006SJ-4F; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:47:07 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:47:04 -0700 References: <3D4F94C0-5031-43E9-BCF5-243FD03A0435@earthlink.net> To: Cc: MG-T Group Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Rack Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net It is a shim adjustment of the tie rod ball ends. They are held to the steering rack, by a lock washer, that is peened into the grooves of the ball sleeve. They are right handed, and unscrew from the rack. Requires special service tools to properly open them up. There is also a spring and plunger, under a cap, on the rack. Spring has been in compression for 60+ years, so best to replace. Plunger is made of brass, and is probably worn as well. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 17, 2013, at 7:41 AM, wrote: > While the wheels seem to be tight, I can grebe the tie rod and shake it to > hear, and feel, a click/clunk. Ends appear to be tight at the wheel. Does > the whole rack need to come out for rebuilding? Is this a shim adjustment? > Is it OK, as is? > > Thanks, > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Seim > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:57 AM > To: Rick Lindsay; MG-T Group > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Rack > > Add oil. The damage is already done. Chances are, one, if not both tie rod > swivel ends could be loose, from lack of lubrication. They can be rebuild, > through disassembly, and changing some shim thickness. With the car raised > up, and moving front and back one front wheel at a time, listen for a click, > or clunk sound. If you hear one, that side requires rebuilding. I have > rebuild them on many cars. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA > > On Sep 15, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > >> Hello Friends, >> >> I seek knowledge. My '53 TD2's steering rack has been lubricated with > grease, instead if oil. Should I try to disassemble and clean it or stick > with the grease? Or add oil, thereby diluting the grease? This car will be > used in warm/hot weather only. Advice appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -rick >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation >> $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/wbeech@flash.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 17 09:06:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AC540357 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E2564006C for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 09:04:55 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1379430284; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=KzPcjtye2H8HUrcemkcbIj0uDPQwzThsfqzLOBtYj9RwdpBlhakGWxwtYBSLwVAfI cLoyii8iuofYUXzkQygM3RQq37BVb2EfeOYj4qD0oeEFcoX4cd/KNl513BfmHruPP/ c90AjTZnt19MjwER0ZeNrvvbR4U1Qf+sBbGoi0AI= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.102]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKDS54WAAXBH8J for (sender ); Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [108.88.216.197] by webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:02:33 GMT From: "mgbob@juno.com" Full-Name: "mgbob@juno.com" Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:02:33 GMT To: richardolindsay@gmail.com Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD - plug wire orientation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, Illustration Fig C 19 shows the wire connection post at about five-five thirty position.. The flat area of the distributor is not parallel to te engine. Fig P 1 shows it also. My engine is out of the car now, and distributor cap & wires stored separately, so I can't help with orientation of wires. XPAG distributors are gear driven, not with the offset drive plate used in later MG engines. It may take several insertions of the distributor to get the rotor aimed at the cap contact you want to use. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: [Mg-t] TD - plug wire orientation Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:55:18 -0500 Hello Friends, We all know the XPAG's (like most all 4-cylinder L4 engines) firing order is 1-3-4-2, rotating anti-clockwise, but what is the correct plug wire orientation. From many of the pictures I see, the ideal location is for #1 is to be at the lower left distributor post. And of course, that can easily be achieved by aligning the distributor shaft in that orientation with #1 at TDC. However...how did M.G. align the rotor / plug wires? Anyone know? Any factory pictures revealing the secret? Thanks, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 17 20:46:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B073B403EC for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com (mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5A0403A0 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plausa.com (plaseram-gw.customer.alter.net [63.66.38.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r8I2kBEF011271 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:46:15 +0000 Received: from 10.10.0.11 by plausa.com with SMTP; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:47:14 -0400 Received: from MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.COM ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2]) by MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.com ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 22:47:14 -0400 From: Ron Olds To: Ron Olds , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Thread-Index: Ac6yAwAbyxo0ZfjPTye4FIFxCWC2RwCDutsQ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 02:47:13 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.10.0.175] a=-rJ6kX5rm88A:10 a=aWpDN6JOaUgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=JOnvdvf4AAAA:8 a=FvFoKeSibhsA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=O34G5wBO4QdojvCkfTgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you everyone for your input. I thought there wasn't room on the back of the engine casting for the flywheel to come off the crankshaft. From everyone's input it can be removed. I need to pull the transmission to get a better idea of what is going on. Ronald Olds -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Olds Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:05 AM To: wbeech@flash.net; mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and installing the Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is coming from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the crankshaft installed? Ronald Olds ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 07:54:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0466403F5 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBACD403DA for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 07:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP76 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:51:55 -0700 Received: from amd ([70.26.93.93]) by BLU0-SMTP76.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:51:54 -0700 From: BOB GRUNAU To: "Ron Olds" , Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:56:58 -0400 FILETIME=[3BEF6B50:01CEB476] Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, Personally, I would pull the engine. Much easier to work on the bench then inside the car trying to remove flywheel, seal up rear main and re-install the sump. . Yes the flywheel can come off, after removing sump, clutch, flywheel bolts and two alignment pins. Might be easier to remove pins if rear main cap is off and a drift can be used to access the two tapered pins to tap them backwards. Small leak?? maybe live with it?? Bob, Canada - Thank you everyone for your input. I thought there wasn't room on the back of the engine casting for the flywheel to come off the crankshaft. From everyone's input it can be removed. I need to pull the transmission to get a better idea of what is going on. Ronald Olds I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and installing the Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is coming from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the crankshaft installed? Ronald Olds _ ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 12:05:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C538403EC for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC2A4038B for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:05:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2013 18:04:59 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.53] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2013 18:04:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2013 18:04:59 -0000 ug4yFkktD6HHsI0LbwgC1bIb9FhfRh1nbxqBzJZFdhcYIoSF2aeqkuEphXWO GULCy7QsCf.1.khp.jbn8htwa5ATtIgrf9IU3.jz93ushQ9Z7hxV9kq.ncBA LwryF8Sl1...UZcM0M6kd7lRYe2BMIXHgWPIkm_JVHtzeDs6uuwLX.tTXnak sMzBeIp3RkHbOPkKKhzvN9gREsNy7zVWCEFDb1l8LOtEtfNX6JJtsmgtNd4E p12REeSd4Op9k5wxjGFKFkojrF8asGUF8P_c7OY8hHzg3C0c1CcI9rLzwkhz BoJYFi.4RAkJwyZQ3VwQ8ondSRhsgdW7PTXlBpoEnRzqF0gIsWbBiDZn0y8g ITw4G6WReBykEDqzbKE9RWFpKahsqjKnUfztzN8n.rSi9IOL0qrfTZGU7unh S4J0P6rx4_.6T6W0aOGqxuA5LqGo1Lftrg3.4SQ.76VNAtLnLHngyPUTSpHd 2Q9DezGdXRxmrNol8NhLsadGw7yLqeaYjfySXWw-- smtp110.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2013 11:04:59 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:04:58 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, Did you install the old or the revised Moss kit? On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Ron Olds > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:05 AM > To: wbeech@flash.net; mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > > I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and installing the > Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is coming > from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the crankshaft > installed? > > Ronald Olds ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 16:37:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775C140417 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:37:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48315403B9 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f170.google.com with SMTP id va2so8566977obc.15 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=Q0JxcvRlnNePuUPeRlpXX2XO9sL+95U11J4vcLoEE+o=; b=sa9oFZXFmhys0L+d23Kzj3ltuv6B3vg5EmYdqQmZRxoawtKOroONGovOkpzQ8U6YbJ S02E34dtuqY75PifY6Nc3jV4VoztAYAXUheDmCttl0OCmI6Sdxy58OJzK1voi49VGeVx 7MORguK9hYuAQAc6Rw4ainsNCLtjXuM4UQehlLjD8yTVIpGgN9w9ObkQJfguDY1DTM5E cO4LUYUWneqwrsSc+5TeLCAAY7cPXanjUUQnqaakDASDgrUAWtwIHyticEgvtgiKzDvm ZVCfesMXwxnrd+Ib/3o0szC9zcuxVSyCVXMm+geZ8IT6/GXxAGpsSflx4QGfAsBOxGvJ N/UA== m4mr35851794oeo.1.1379543556087; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-98-250-54-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. [98.250.54.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm2832796obi.14.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:32:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <5235AF42.8020705@comcast.net> From: John Deikis Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:32:34 -0400 To: Charlie Baldwin Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Racing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net John: two comments: Your friend would be on firmer ground "proving" Americans were road racing V8-powered TF's in the 50's (I believe they did TD's). He would then be classed with other specials-- for vintage, usually dependent upon performance. Also, if your friend is from the Great Lakes area, he will likely do most of his racing with VSCDA, which is a membership club and quite flexible. Entry fees pay the bills, so the rule of the day is "let's be inclusive and all play." -- John Deikis On Sep 15, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote: > John, those are some crazy rules since the car itself is close to ten years after WW II. My impression was that they put T series cars in the prewar class because they are relatively slow compared to many of their contemporaries, or the specific driver's skill level makes him and his car a good match for the prewar cars. > On 9/14/2013 7:00 PM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: >> A friend did some damage to the engine in his MG TF engine at Road America >> last week. He wants to go faster and is considering a swap to a Ford V8-60 >> engine. The T Series cars race in the prewar class. So he has to come up >> with proof that a V8-60 was installed in an MG racing car before World War >> II. Can any cite such proof? >> >> >> John Gunnell >> Iola, WI > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/johnsfolly@gmail.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 16:52:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC4A40424 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f175.google.com (mail-ve0-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864B4403EF; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f175.google.com with SMTP id jy13so6010283veb.20 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:48:49 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1zG47xu0p6lNMOyT2HnvxYYsVg3FfTk2DjCFili/Rgw=; b=CBp9osYUeptVte76hXZPtnHGJLPbgXMvNbbYNTIYJOBFWqrU3UqTsRjasLhLn2xQR1 thW3aT0FJZRFgoKFf6imLV/+xXKlfZDhBhGmhZDsgjEL/WyWbst4OnV5VdY2A0vgGAeT 9CrXorN390wnphIupgFp6yM3ruQomQe4yAZo4ZQ8P78s2Pm2CGw+aqnQoZtLLCAnnvk4 KQhq/W5sBcj1920N1bgVZPpLx/rP2Okvr+NmUg6m06gotL2uVa+jwkwyR0JwQlJDqTLG N9alNQGtP0cWJyCzhocpwrQRvQl69j/uxSJXA52KqKlb9w5Ojc++mdZoBZd8bu+CLFCd 9wog== vj14mr40072669vcb.17.1379544529232; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:48:49 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Reassembly re-started Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Going back together...a little bit at a time. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130918_153623.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130918_153653.jpg This weekend, I'll install the head. I'll rebuild the suspension a little later. I'm tired of getting filthy dirty. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 16:56:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45AF40416 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail16.tpgi.com.au (mail16.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2330403EF for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Sep 2013 08:55:46 +1000; auth=/X0J75t1ChDYY67dqz+6Qd4jQKMnvLVol4kYJX68JBs= Received: from [10.151.112.29] ([101.169.221.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail16.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from arundell@ghs.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r8IMthaw014008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:55:46 +1000 References: <5235AF42.8020705@comcast.net> From: Murray Arundell Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:55:46 +1000 To: John Deikis Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Racing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Your comment "let's be inclusive" is intetesting. Are you saying we should include anyone and anything that wants to race? Murray Arundell Brisbane Australia Sent from my iPhone On 19/09/2013, at 8:32, John Deikis wrote: > John: > two comments: > Your friend would be on firmer ground "proving" Americans were road racing > V8-powered TF's in the 50's (I believe they did TD's). He would then be > classed with other specials-- for vintage, usually dependent upon > performance. > Also, if your friend is from the Great Lakes area, he will likely do most of > his racing with VSCDA, which is a membership club and quite flexible. Entry > fees pay the bills, so the rule of the day is "let's be inclusive and all > play." > -- John Deikis > > On Sep 15, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote: > >> John, those are some crazy rules since the car itself is close to ten years > after WW II. My impression was that they put T series cars in the prewar > class because they are relatively slow compared to many of their > contemporaries, or the specific driver's skill level makes him and his car a > good match for the prewar cars. >> On 9/14/2013 7:00 PM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: >>> A friend did some damage to the engine in his MG TF engine at Road America >>> last week. He wants to go faster and is considering a swap to a Ford V8-60 >>> engine. The T Series cars race in the prewar class. So he has to come up >>> with proof that a V8-60 was installed in an MG racing car before World War >>> II. Can any cite such proof? >>> >>> >>> John Gunnell >>> Iola, WI >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/johnsfolly@gmail.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/arundell@ghs.com.au ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 18 17:42:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688B640424 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:42:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com (mail-yh0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74D6403EF for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f73so3848036yha.28 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:42:02 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=16r47ZOzrlf7esLhI5AVCZ34fsmS9fEFLGKmI2d+C3s=; b=kV1N03Q60CAE3CHZ+Xd37jR6UBd7Mfgcx7cfmHoPjla7Q0ssUu6a8XMsWnhFdlx0NQ YBA+2Yi2Wm7MDDaqJwPBTge+le6UquLWoLhEwkvn9UDaVOSiIrc8vxh7pm7MWR68Y6ez 0yXAKLKwBSXNtK56erC5Jy21n/Gd8hA5x3nZXfENFcINeD/9OhKD260XnvZOUR3u/f7g cEARgK+2I+I3NPV8S6iVE8te/kwC9TOeihBz9LvNdv1vMpS0iHw9GtX0vd1kB1zqDXZf OjO0GuqzDvLDk+7mr9+E+lYwc03PPFuZakda708n/7fyDLR5QRtr9muibUlvT5g5lqaN tTmA== q41mr24593734yhi.51.1379547722490; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c44sm6496841yho.20.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Sep 2013 16:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 18:41:59 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: raydiesel@verizon.net, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Reassembly re-started Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net > Looks good, there are a lot of dirty > days ahead ! .ray B Indeed. But a lot more behind me now! -------- Original message -------- From: raydiesel@verizon.net Date: 09/18/2013 6:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: richardolindsay@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Reassembly re-started B B B On 09/18/13, Richard Lindsay wrote: B Going back together...a little bit at a time. http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130918_153623.jpg http://aubard.us/MGTD/20130918_153653.jpg This weekend, I'll install the head. I'll rebuild the suspension a little later. I'm tired of getting filthy dirty. -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 19 01:34:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D748940559 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:34:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5863040538 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:29:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01621A101E for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:29:39 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: MG Subject: [Mg-t] Nice carbs? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Was working on a TC this afternoon with some running issues. I was trying to avoid removing the air filter bits, hoping it wasn't necessary. Wondered if the carbs were close to balanced so used the dashpot tubes with the wire pointer set up. You know how you can lift the pistons just a hair to see if the carbs are rich or lean? Using the tubes I could lift the pistons about half an inch or so with minimal changes to the overly fast idle. Wow. There might be issues with the carbs. Hope to get it sorted tomorrow. mjb. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 20 06:46:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5DE428DF for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 06:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89BD42857 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 04:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id gq1so298164obb.40 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=N1icO1Aem3KxH9OVaX3KGDOUOCIX8TDKmOV+RdSM/Uk=; b=FsPcfzyasgY7TguVOYlBD1bgxHOdQxMBzq95sMsmjIPL/ga7RKev6R/uOwggbLyga1 5NJrtqyEnYPyUcAIF7tiVfC6qvwFmW8KpVfS5cdOZctHsnoCZt5A9/1I+5XvNirZdmCD gzvxgWciYUU7UUiQ+aPIZKssuq+57Nqc6aVolqPHITAEgc/Px3+EBOoAjoU7IpCv+0qJ q+v9ga2dzSNIR8tqQcYkaHTvocHSl23hffPRrNP0dlEAQPM9IknLLbW/Gy7yZcAfoXmg yGxU+gW6X76oMZ/1qN6uwLRnt4T+JrXjwRU3uw5zujl2hQ8qTYaPqNGaBrWP2m7yakTl E2xQ== ov18mr5461911oeb.39.1379674445103; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm6573606obi.14.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Sep 2013 03:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:54:02 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: tr3a@yahoogroups.com, mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] OT - jealous Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Friends,B Been trading txt messages with a friend in Singapore. He's sitting on Turn-1 watching F1 Free Practice. I'm so jealous!B -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 20 06:55:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C6342B19 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 06:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ye0-f170.google.com (mail-ye0-f170.google.com [209.85.213.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F3A427C8 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:38:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ye0-f170.google.com with SMTP id r4so65018yen.15 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 04:38:26 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=fbHaZMC5/Zl9yKbNHQURRnLGu7yUyynG3n+b3XNkLa4=; b=fCZelKAO1uQSwJknW5F5d9kiLJL4nbuQP/MUAEwzCEy60i/Lqg0fjoHXmVX6kyY7wj FoOPie7pEQudIWUVxmZJJQqRXzVhnfRf5hxanXWIalen9OxdAM/ZIfJIA1pLMLp/62/V Syy2+3LUJtk3n4XR4RyQBsyxatXyLVyYXoNMGBHms2tT7ZJDbnJ2cnTyvmpo+1Zc/nmI /oU9Gs8lhG0Ff6EkYUf2Vrcb9spwydwZNMdq1BbfmkeobUzTSCVoOWKyHEWbc9MeKXz4 T2KQdneiZxKuoStoTzJqZqcmfl3guU8F/SR2ewR+uf0qfjAO+ymv3FMioYknsNJ97Cs5 vAbQ== a61mr6329377yhd.52.1379677106132; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 04:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e65sm17475201yhc.18.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Sep 2013 04:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 06:38:22 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Just verbal diarrhea Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends,B Awake early and just jabbering with friends.B Today I 'may' find time to rotate the XPAG to TDC and using my dial gauge, verify that the timing pointer is spot on. B Assuming it is, and I can't imagine that it isn't ("Trust, but verify." seems popular again these days), I will be ready to rotate to #1-on-compression and set the head. Many of you have recommended that I very lightly grease the head gasket before installation. I will do so, I think, because the workshop manual also recommends this - although I don't know why. I've never installed a head gasket any way other than clean and dry. Do you know why its recommended to grease it? My brother is in town visiting and he is as mechanically minded as a cheese sandwich. I don't expect much garage-interest from him. My weekend may not involve twisting spanners...but a guy can wish. Happy Friday, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 20 23:17:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D791C42996 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B7F428FF; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 21:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A19A101D; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 21:27:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 21:27:50 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , MG Subject: [Mg-t] Team.Net planned improvements Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The last few days you may have noticed that it might take 2, 3, 4 or more hours for a simple message to one of the Team.Net lists to get posted. There have been some serious network problems happening. I'm hoping that will change soon. On tuesday, Sep. 24th, a local Comcast contractor will be installing broadband cable. After 20+ years of DSL based networking, I'm going to give cable a try. There will be a few days of testing, setting up, getting the hang of it and such, but I hope to have Team.Net running on a network that should be 5 - 10 times faster than the current DSL service. There will be periods of downtime during the switch, the IP addresses involved will be changing and it takes time for these changes to propagate around the world. I'll provide more immediate notice of service interruptions as they come up, try not to leave all you loyal subscribers hanging for too long. It should be a change for the better, we shall see. mjb. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 20 23:25:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BB742C9F for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D44042A0F; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:26:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [166.70.156.35]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BCAA101D; Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:26:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 22:26:21 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: MG List , MG Subject: [Mg-t] Team.Net heads up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The last few days you may have noticed that it might take 2, 3, 4 or more hours for a simple message to one of the Team.Net lists to get posted. There have been some serious network problems happening. I'm hoping that will change soon. On tuesday, Sep. 24th, a local Comcast contractor will be installing broadband cable. After 20+ years of DSL based networking, I'm going to give cable a try. There will be a few days of testing, setting up, getting the hang of it and such, but I hope to have Team.Net running on a network that should be 5 - 10 times faster than the current DSL service. There will be periods of downtime during the switch, the IP addresses involved will be changing and it takes time for these changes to propagate around the world. I'll provide more immediate notice of service interruptions as they come up, try not to leave all you loyal subscribers hanging for too long. It should be a change for the better, we shall see. mjb. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 07:07:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC5242F8C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com (mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4E1427C1 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plausa.com (plaseram-gw.customer.alter.net [63.66.38.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail239c25-1785.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r8MCswWj000341; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:55:01 +0000 Received: from 10.10.0.11 by plausa.com with SMTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:55:58 -0400 Received: from MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.COM ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2]) by MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.com ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:55:58 -0400 From: Ron Olds To: Duvall Video Productions , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit Thread-Index: AQHOtJoFmRTmxc3uxUOtPFrO1CFWbJnRvAdw Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:55:58 +0000 References: <19788CAF-CA28-4555-B49D-EB64C0389E3B@duvallvideo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.10.0.94] a=PGSxLcY-xGoA:10 a=PBXD9-CTgG4A:10 a=aWpDN6JOaUgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=JOnvdvf4AAAA:8 a=eW8C7ruUDZ4A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=HKhX39UVNXLFilHp-28A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=jHqhL58HGh8A:10 a=ZCCd2aT-bW27PTk3:21 a=tTQdFdfZbUg63Atr:21 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mike, The seal kit I used appears to be the old Moss kit (part number 433-415). This kit seems to be no longer available. What was changed between this kit and the new revised 433-421 kit? Is the new kit better than the one I used? Does anyone know if the kit I have can be modified to make it the new style or I would have to replace it completely? Ronald Olds Ronald Olds -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:05 PM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit Ron, Did you install the old or the revised Moss kit? On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Olds > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:05 AM > To: wbeech@flash.net; mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull > > I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and > installing the > Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is coming > from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the crankshaft > installed? > > Ronald Olds ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 07:22:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3890B42FB0 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail222c25-1785.carrierzone.com (mail222c25-1785.carrierzone.com [64.29.147.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8042B40333 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:10:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from plausa.com (plaseram-gw.customer.alter.net [63.66.38.238] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail222c25-1785.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r8MD9rk2015217; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:09:54 +0000 Received: from 10.10.0.11 by plausa.com with SMTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:10:53 -0400 Received: from MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.COM ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2]) by MSERVER.PLASSERUSA.com ([fe80::8506:be5c:fde0:50a2%10]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:10:52 -0400 From: Ron Olds To: Richard Lindsay , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: TD - questions Thread-Index: Ac63lM4KfGPN+xdfT82gKWtyxcBhlQ== Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:10:52 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.10.0.94] a=PGSxLcY-xGoA:10 a=aWpDN6JOaUgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=4QKFqgILAAAA:8 a=JOnvdvf4AAAA:8 a=_thT_Aor_RUA:10 a=LEfSRzS5xGU_iiUsr4cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pSk3U5zQ5k+FXcUof0lIzw==:117 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: [Mg-t] TD - questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, I have been following and enjoying your diary on the TD rebuilt. I am very impressed with the progress you made so far. I wish I was working as fast as you have. I guess that is what retirement gets you. I do have some questions on your work process. What methods do you use for cleaning up the parts before refinishing. You make very quick progress with good results. On the body did you completely strip off the paint before priming or only clean up areas that needed attention then prime the entire areas? I am getting to the point that I will be starting on the body. I have the drive train, suspension and frame completed. I still need to find a place to have my painting done. I hope to have the body parts painted separately before assembly. What did you use for primer and will you be doing your body painting yourself? I appreciate any advice you can give me. Ronald Olds ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 07:38:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFFD42FAF for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:38:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from s417.sureserver.com (s417.sureserver.com [216.35.197.131]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A696742F6C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 5396 invoked by uid 504); 22 Sep 2013 13:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (lawrie@98.244.5.122) by s417.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Sep 2013 13:37:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:37:52 -0700 From: Lawrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: mg-t@autox.team.net References: <19788CAF-CA28-4555-B49D-EB64C0389E3B@duvallvideo.com> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, The 433-415 kit was superseded because it assumed the crankshaft was in the exact original location. Most engines, when rebuilt properly, have the main bearing saddles line-honed or even line-bored, which almost always slightly shifts the position of the crankshaft. The 433-415 seal retainer positioned the seal relative to the original centerline so, if the line-boring moved the crank more than a few thousandths, the seal would not sit properly on the flange. One engine I rebuilt had the crank so far off-center that the seal was completely flattened on one side and not touching the other side of the flange! This led to a re-design of the kit which allowed the seal retainer to "float" before being properly centered with a special alignment tool (included in the kit), as well as a comprehensively revised set of instructions which include precise details of how to position everything correctly and pictures of each step. Unfortunately, the 433-415 components cannot be modified to be the equivalent of a 433-421 kit. So far, the revisions seem to have made the Moss kit into an excellent fix for rear engine leaks, based on the fact that reported leaks and complaints about difficulty of installation have dwindled to almost zero. (And, FWIW, last time I checked, the kit sold by B&G in England is a direct copy of the 433-415 kit.) Lawrie > Mike, > > The seal kit I used appears to be the old Moss kit (part number 433-415). This > kit seems to be no longer available. What was changed between this kit and > the new revised 433-421 kit? Is the new kit better than the one I used? Does > anyone know if the kit I have can be modified to make it the new style or I > would have to replace it completely? > > Ronald Olds > > Ronald Olds > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:05 PM > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit > > Ron, Did you install the old or the revised Moss kit? > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Ron Olds >> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:05 AM >> To: wbeech@flash.net; mg-t@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull >> >> I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and >> installing > the >> Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is > coming >> from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the > crankshaft >> installed? >> >> Ronald Olds > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie@britcars.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 08:57:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBF543050 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6552142E7C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:32:52 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=q+aEV+xmK5OWTFzxkOSWgcBonsSrSRTF9+RlWTBGY8Ebdcye9ufBNd0f+JHW0G2I; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.146.30.158] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VNkhv-0001rU-Fw; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:32:19 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:32:13 -0700 References: <19788CAF-CA28-4555-B49D-EB64C0389E3B@duvallvideo.com> To: Ron Olds Cc: Duvall Video Productions , "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Go to the Moss Motors website, and enter the new part number. You can find out what you need, from the info. There are now 9 pages of instructions. Lawrie Alexander has done quite a write up of how to install the seal. Kit comes with a spacer, locating jig, new seal. Step-by-step instructions. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Ron Olds wrote: > Mike, > > The seal kit I used appears to be the old Moss kit (part number 433-415). This > kit seems to be no longer available. What was changed between this kit and > the new revised 433-421 kit? Is the new kit better than the one I used? Does > anyone know if the kit I have can be modified to make it the new style or I > would have to replace it completely? > > Ronald Olds > > Ronald Olds > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:05 PM > To: mg-t@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit > > Ron, Did you install the old or the revised Moss kit? > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Ron Olds >> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:05 AM >> To: wbeech@flash.net; mg-t@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull >> >> I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and >> installing > the >> Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is > coming >> from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the > crankshaft >> installed? >> >> Ronald Olds > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 12:02:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBF443236 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773904003A for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:33:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 17:33:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.53] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 17:33:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 17:33:21 -0000 Ypu_mYT0XPfAX.lJc5Htyqnq18bvwmCHM.V3bPPSdRAmnDd7QzOHXk6Mf5hf f._uBBBge0xWkHVGXWp5MyI0nJ1588yLINRgnYUUnUhaw_3W2OtMgP.SYjVu pclyOTTiNUlA6VFaWvqP4toDt9Lbmn6tnjQtM5qbMCltix76dQHhkdA5DITJ RcqA57mLwOfPoXfV_sLWTI24Zd1oVZ.eu3bi1bc44ui7WxvH5dGxaYbmsRLZ 4AxEIQsGA77aajWi5UhSjs34qNghUqF18pccsE15YBFlpe7iqG49HMldprRn y4iSJBBuyB0He9IFin_ZeEKb.w5hN26ghyJ3gtV8g8RxxAGR1LXHXmMfcbTs VvyTEWcToYfS4OOQ.t3AUywLZOUj.7gQoI4fW0DNJ1wXFlKdca6J6uLFEtw7 EOf_rGhTNmN5Eyar.nMrbaf4RVZBqEe7sfJ7EFmhbLaGvl4XikwVYgd3c0Tt avXPRebaniU3J5GeKaWg1wKXtTs054MEzBHZGD26z25IaMAyHQ8IDXT4Y5cZ Y5unxKtLu_UGTEyvN97tGGjpyoRL5mK.XVXV06PjygQ_jsdrGEnZMAmHa2qS uI2Qi_1UU25dwKlg0lznLMu7DKVYnf1xygYUUjs2J5cdpUKok4rOojnSZHrl 7wce_UXmDVBKS smtp115.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2013 10:33:20 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:33:19 -0500 References: <19788CAF-CA28-4555-B49D-EB64C0389E3B@duvallvideo.com> To: John Seim , Ron Olds Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net John, If you have some clarity on the differences more details would be appreciated. Ron, I have been studying what to do as my car leaked much worse after the kit install. I tried emailing Moss about the differences but their tech support is so bad they don't actually answer your questions about what is different. They did say you could order the parts individually but entering the part numbers into their web site returns "no matching product" and I didn't even get a response when I asked about price on that part. Here are the new instructions: http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/instructions/433-421_980-379_INST .pdf It appears part# 433-406 Seal Housing Alignment tool is the only difference aside from the much better and detailed instructions. >From what I can tell the instructions are much more orderly but the install is basically the same with the addition of the alignment tool and more additional information on leakage in general. Mike On Sep 22, 2013, at 9:32 AM, John Seim wrote: > Go to the Moss Motors website, and enter the new part number. You can find out > what you need, from the info. There are now 9 pages of instructions. Lawrie Alexander > has done quite a write up of how to install the seal. Kit comes with a spacer, locating jig, > new seal. Step-by-step instructions. > > John Seim > Irvine, CA > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:55 AM, Ron Olds wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> The seal kit I used appears to be the old Moss kit (part number 433-415). This >> kit seems to be no longer available. What was changed between this kit and >> the new revised 433-421 kit? Is the new kit better than the one I used? Does >> anyone know if the kit I have can be modified to make it the new style or I >> would have to replace it completely? >> >> Ronald Olds >> >> Ronald Olds >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions >> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:05 PM >> To: mg-t@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Mg-t] original or revised seal kit >> >> Ron, Did you install the old or the revised Moss kit? >> >> On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net] >>> On Behalf Of Ron Olds >>> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:05 AM >>> To: wbeech@flash.net; mg-t@autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Engine Pull >>> >>> I have a small leak from my engine as well after rebuilding and >>> installing >> the >>> Moss seal. I have not disassembled anything to see where the drip is >> coming >>> from. Can someone tell me if the flywheel can be removed with the >> crankshaft >>> installed? >>> >>> Ronald Olds >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rolds@plausa.com >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 13:51:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D013434E4 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5FB43476 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:19:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.165] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 19:19:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.172] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 19:19:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 19:19:12 -0000 Jw3XYiL0Gb3TulEgOQUw7Ftw_0DwUa__qcpKES3naaoUpmqIlXiPapmgRebT TTEH1u6rLMVMRwwg4vsqyB_Gfgco.aURZAO58UecUeBCf9KJsgfzAr5Zmmda oz1J6cpcPZI8mCxQx83DVqnsu8PJuYxyVXrKAOMCG4PssE0Fa_W1HXehgFQH KdcO0AYMQ3iMxwHCqZJreiCVpzyLBzZgLQJaapL8qXnovxciN8NBBOW.5ynm FAkDaqmbF2p6gXHbi9tEwM98uFOR4qia5iLaWMc9oB0N9R5KO.RASp.vJa2Z tyWmpi9fHYVyz.QT3L1NOdA7ix1jRnMj9cKV2rPMMupM0thW6bgisBHdQgEb xlx1NoIM70Y0.zPzH2Vf0yENX8BIy.P0UL09Y.kG3Zd0tPlByO3zhaiurER5 INFdS4sJYcIQTt0HUoL9sKSSA95JJkFUU0_SHIP83BfPoSizwtcv7In.aWX2 fSlVGAGU3Mtt7pS8gnfSQ7yqWWQhnFXKnB70G0w-- smtp106.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2013 12:19:12 -0700 PDT From: Duvall Video Productions Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:19:10 -0500 References: To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] new seal kit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Lawrie, So exactly why can't the new tool be used to align the old housing? After wasting over hundreds of dollars on the first kit, getting poor tech support and info from Moss, I'm still doubtful I should shell out another $300 to try it again when they can't properly answer questions about their own product. Mike On Sep 22, 2013, at 1:00 PM, mg-t-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Ron, > > The 433-415 kit was superseded because it assumed the crankshaft was in > the exact original location. Most engines, when rebuilt properly, have > the main bearing saddles line-honed or even line-bored, which almost > always slightly shifts the position of the crankshaft. The 433-415 seal > retainer positioned the seal relative to the original centerline so, if > the line-boring moved the crank more than a few thousandths, the seal > would not sit properly on the flange. One engine I rebuilt had the crank > so far off-center that the seal was completely flattened on one side and > not touching the other side of the flange! > > This led to a re-design of the kit which allowed the seal retainer to > "float" before being properly centered with a special alignment tool > (included in the kit), as well as a comprehensively revised set of > instructions which include precise details of how to position everything > correctly and pictures of each step. Unfortunately, the 433-415 > components cannot be modified to be the equivalent of a 433-421 kit. > > So far, the revisions seem to have made the Moss kit into an excellent > fix for rear engine leaks, based on the fact that reported leaks and > complaints about difficulty of installation have dwindled to almost zero. > > (And, FWIW, last time I checked, the kit sold by B&G in England is a > direct copy of the 433-415 kit.) ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 18:44:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0538743064 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C572C403C7 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id to1so5232784ieb.37 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:27:31 -0700 (PDT) h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=TmUBL7Lb+/5ygraaUc0w2dNc7UrPmoeHlQpxK6gRJqc=; b=VOBMS2BVlZFqGvP0a4d5YKSwIKmBjXMaM7aJUHRv0Snf8m/EB0RmzYwPZaHh2IqPmC bXvvCflzxd81zIioiQKpCt3GFSgDMVD/iqaS56ZRIgmerTlB0Wj0jOzNaCykkSxeIBZp DoliZm4/5FZCi86EePsoZ2zNAAwj+xm+dWPDYKRGl7EJTUPhflKFi63q+sFp9/7pTPOE tQ9snJ1gWxvECvU3cNQtVJmhRYD8IAbgUAhduQ62m93ppVRdC5HT9uj2twQKWsXmp4I3 pb2ZiYIYenoEykYFK5YTJPcED/mLrTVblp+57fDDbXIwNLBAKnrhPml9K1dJGsilF/y7 ucEg== qc8mr10466412igb.52.1379896051167; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (c-98-250-54-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. [98.250.54.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ka1sm5222978igb.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:27:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <5235AF42.8020705@comcast.net> From: John Deikis Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:27:31 -0400 To: Murray Arundell Cc: "mg-t@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Racing question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that vintage clubs in the U.S. are seeing decreasing fields because of the graying population. Smaller numbers translate into higher fees and riskier margins for the sanctioning clubs. The trend-- at least in my club-- has been to try to include as many interested parties whose approach and vehicles are "in the vintage spirit" --however one might interpret that. We have a guy in his 80's who races a Healey 3000 with a Buick V8 in it. Is his car "correct"? Absolutely not. Did Americans race British cars with V8's in them back in the 50's and 60's? Lot's of people certainly did. We also are including people who want to bring obsolete SCCA "Improved Touring"-class cars. I don't consider rotary-engined Mazdas to be "vintage", but many run with the under-2.5 litre CanAm cars at our events. And it makes for good racing. --JohnD On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Murray Arundell wrote: > Your comment "let's be inclusive" is intetesting. Are you saying we should include anyone and anything that wants to race? > > Murray Arundell > Brisbane Australia > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 19/09/2013, at 8:32, John Deikis wrote: > >> John: >> two comments: >> Your friend would be on firmer ground "proving" Americans were road racing >> V8-powered TF's in the 50's (I believe they did TD's). He would then be >> classed with other specials-- for vintage, usually dependent upon >> performance. >> Also, if your friend is from the Great Lakes area, he will likely do most of >> his racing with VSCDA, which is a membership club and quite flexible. Entry >> fees pay the bills, so the rule of the day is "let's be inclusive and all >> play." >> -- John Deikis >> >> On Sep 15, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Charlie Baldwin wrote: >> >>> John, those are some crazy rules since the car itself is close to ten years >> after WW II. My impression was that they put T series cars in the prewar >> class because they are relatively slow compared to many of their >> contemporaries, or the specific driver's skill level makes him and his car a >> good match for the prewar cars. >>> On 9/14/2013 7:00 PM, gunnellj tds.net wrote: >>>> A friend did some damage to the engine in his MG TF engine at Road America >>>> last week. He wants to go faster and is considering a swap to a Ford V8-60 >>>> engine. The T Series cars race in the prewar class. So he has to come up >>>> with proof that a V8-60 was installed in an MG racing car before World War >>>> II. Can any cite such proof? >>>> >>>> >>>> John Gunnell >>>> Iola, WI >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Mg-t@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/johnsfolly@gmail.com >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/arundell@ghs.com.au ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 22 19:45:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4700843166 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC29C42ED4 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:14:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2013 01:14:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.60] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2013 01:14:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2013 01:14:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1379898865; bh=wuGlswAv+T/VzqbThsz4F2Mwjf5vF1HpQrF8d3oZUZk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=K6l3g9duMYSOTaMPvFYWkuZoNLcfY/C6V2IMHQJFrYft/j7+nmQAVkGcFZbgJs8sXsmnJHMTQQywPSL5zGLaiuGEt1iE098ixPRL7n9hhDf9gfoA5Wdsy2k1Z6qU7WpUYwco7SKD4FlZBb6ouLno+t5FSnpDYtJyZt9vvcv47SQ= _FTeSCsYlCVpCrnqm8so4KZWmfeeid70pwpOKjvXlCVO26ZTzdfnifIIp_Fr 52oemOTPMIz_jo0iVLoAjmY7PtkbPrsFCjwdSS69h_M9UYMAOAHNorfOOjwP oYPO5v2VXJitYFSRDDNTjfoCT2EKKd2apo5q8CjDxqhHWV.AiasHph2hO0MH BkrxA3p24GFwCggA7LxNFkwF.Wt44FHdDGxleLQWCHbVPJnf0T8hLj81UKmf 6VZapfmW1gXOMLJ1eq6mNCESBUS.iDFLpXU1T6ukhOyVdVTw7.zBowlrD_yd B3l.7PSBtcNFuVvvZIna0e7zBueqbxbU9DVFtkw6hOn1PgzQXeyFPxLVBpNu njlTjXacNUeqJIM82_staOIUiJJ76V4AoT8.px2mw3GnReJ4cj.vYLkuHo.W V5y.2wFSUR_hng6_pEUsGn1HVpQJQaFlbLbIW6elYw5Fkt_m9x9OVV6gs98O Rxja5Oy_etq.2GAFhSBGJNxd_cD0qTJwF0fkhOPyVpOhkRwMvI59Xn2C2E7L ItwgQ5u7Cr9if2S7W.X7binW32Q-- smtp211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2013 18:14:25 -0700 PDT From: WBEECH Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:13:06 -0500 To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Seal kit (cont) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Have watched all the responses to the Moss seal kit with great interest and now think I am ready to jump in. From those who have BTDT what is the average time from bonnet removal to restarting the completed job? Great list, many thanks !! Bill '52 TD ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 07:24:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCA440522 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE12D4044E for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i4so635365oah.8 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:23:52 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=u5xGJFxtReSMj+qtWwUcG/Pm8eKvmtmCkI3xDC6xk2E=; b=U2TjttIL1afetZ2REbRl9fGFtLXjBRod8M6nV3D95xVzjtZEyV7nFSYaee5R8qOvtj 2CW2XsrWAEP0u3KX8L4pXvflMpZpMJ9kEQ0xsjLSCv4rUgpDe+Hop68Tj446vc7NiMJy cnIcl02ZtC98KZNujohA07/dkmiQCK8XgoRV7783ORnlYnBrunEhshxODXCk9eDPUe/4 ofoioGwTXrcj5dWrjU9+Vx1WWxGM7QcOaj/pmxR7uWt4PZcHT16mKRoK5PEeyOSqPru2 jxIDNbo2QOlyrM5hEngXeH763zAyODqFZeSNydmQgUb2VCh8RHNv2CfvkT5vmMQtQLid 0BNg== l8mr681059obv.53.1380201832566; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j9sm4087859oef.8.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:23:48 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Just because... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net ...a part came off in a certain orientation doesn't mean it is correct! PO's (and Os) do many things incorrectly - self included.B Quick question for the XPAG gurus: The oil line from the block up to the head has a tap on one of the banjos for the gauge. A parts diagram that I have seen shows that tap on the upper banjo, the one at the head. When I got it, my engine had the tap at the bottom, at the block. I reinstalled it that way but the new flexible oil line appears too short. I haven't offered it up yet but I am concerned.B Please tell me which end of the line should be at the head; the banjo with the gauge tap, or the one without it. Thank you! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 07:48:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D68040521 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449524044E for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:45:01 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C8AvFCZE5asRG2xRAyosoJ0JPU/+FHkQtLuqhF4PXODgiPjzPm0MUrbcMTK2JILt; h=Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.186.192.152] (helo=[192.168.1.33]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VPBrT-0001C8-1u; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:44:08 -0400 From: John Seim Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:44:05 -0700 References: To: Rick Lindsay Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Just because... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net The banjo without the gauge tap should be at the head. Early TD engines had the oil line without any gauge tap. One of the banjo bolts had the gauge tap, and that was installed into the head position. Wanting a truer oil pressure reading, they decided to take the reading from the block. Check the banjo bolt fittings, to see if they have been filled in with solder. Many shops, not understanding that it was a worn rocker arm assembly, would either fill the banjo bolt with solder, and then redrill a small oil passage into it, or crimp the oil line between the block and the head, or, in one case, they placed a plug into the cylinder head hole. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 26, 2013, at 6:23 AM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > ...a part came off in a certain orientation doesn't mean it is correct! PO's (and Os) do many things incorrectly - self included.B > > Quick question for the XPAG gurus: > > The oil line from the block up to the head has a tap on one of the banjos for the gauge. A parts diagram that I have seen shows that tap on the upper banjo, the one at the head. When I got it, my engine had the tap at the bottom, at the block. I reinstalled it that way but the new flexible oil line appears too short. I haven't offered it up yet but I am concerned.B > > Please tell me which end of the line should be at the head; the banjo with the gauge tap, or the one without it. > > Thank you! > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 07:58:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78A640536 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C572C4044E for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i7so699113oag.12 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:55:44 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:importance:from:to:cc:reply-to:mime-version :content-type; bh=LUO2apfVK8LamzrtrbScL5GsBZEDBqkXB0t4ZfuLiio=; b=jspnveiMEyTWJJ+iY/vr2o+8YaoAF1G24QKPdVL7zZUFZVuGJYSkrqyaUrfER+J+D2 T1mltcRh48u0EeQg+6yEC8e+ruhb7FKFN6NdbrKPlU48dDzbyJojm7KcvZI42D+gNCf1 zacEUUpYErZcE/fFbDjtRH9ZKrsCe/Xh1/DgvqRSCaleQrMAAOw4mHlHSU9mHSGhYmaj Tp6y2FHfRTOAZi2wsAvtR3WdpaToACo/3NiCwPDqKQdiNvqO9pNXVqpMqqJ8NWni/9fl 3aWM0rWbkex9TCCJ1oUSvKs3Vko0I+h/XTgZgqpCppKr9mfLGg9LxYXuRaQzpK3aqyph s7mQ== Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.69] (107-192-134-236.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net. [107.192.134.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b5sm2745586obj.8.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:55:40 -0500 From: Rick Lindsay To: kingseim@earthlink.net Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Just because... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Good insight and history John. Thank you. When I cleaned the line it seemed rather congested with something, although nothing 'solid' came out. With repeated application of solvent, the line flowed liquid just fine. Cleaned the banjo bolts the same way. Perhaps I just didn't get the squirt nozzle in properly at first. -rick -------- Original message -------- From: John Seim Date: 09/26/2013 8:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Rick Lindsay Cc: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Just because... The banjo without the gauge tap should be at the head. Early TD engines had the oil line without any gauge tap. One of the banjo bolts had the gauge tap, and that was installed into the head position. Wanting a truer oil pressure reading, they decided to take the reading from the block. Check the banjo bolt fittings, to see if they have been filled in with solder. Many shops, not understanding that it was a worn rocker arm assembly, would either fill the banjo bolt with solder, and then redrill a small oil passage into it, or crimp the oil line between the block and the head, or, in one case, they placed a plug into the cylinder head hole. John Seim Irvine, CA On Sep 26, 2013, at 6:23 AM, Rick Lindsay wrote: > ...a part came off in a certain orientation doesn't mean it is correct! PO's (and Os) do many things incorrectly - self included.B > > Quick question for the XPAG gurus: > > The oil line from the block up to the head has a tap on one of the banjos for the gauge. A parts diagram that I have seen shows that tap on the upper banjo, the one at the head. When I got it, my engine had the tap at the bottom, at the block. I reinstalled it that way but the new flexible oil line appears too short. I haven't offered it up yet but I am concerned.B > > Please tell me which end of the line should be at the head; the banjo with the gauge tap, or the one without it. > > Thank you! > > -rick > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donationB $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/kingseim@earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 26 08:04:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956C540534 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9E74003A for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU0-SMTP83 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:58:20 -0700 Received: from amd ([70.26.95.75]) by BLU0-SMTP83.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:58:20 -0700 From: BOB GRUNAU To: "Rick Lindsay" , Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:03:30 -0400 FILETIME=[758746D0:01CEBAC0] Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Just because... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Rick, oil gauge line connects to the BOTTOM of the oil feed to the head. There is about 10 psi lower oil pressure reading at thre gauge if connected to the top, at the head. I guess this is due to restriction in the head feed pipe or pressure loss through the rockers. In any case, use the bottom connection which essentially reads oil gallery pressure in the block. Makes you feel better to see good oil pressure. Move the oil feed brass junction fitting lower down to get the flex line to reach the lower end of the oil feed to head. I think it lives beside the battery? Bob, Canada -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Rick Lindsay Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:24 AM To: mg-t@autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Just because... ...a part came off in a certain orientation doesn't mean it is correct! PO's (and Os) do many things incorrectly - self included.B Quick question for the XPAG gurus: The oil line from the block up to the head has a tap on one of the banjos for the gauge. A parts diagram that I have seen shows that tap on the upper banjo, the one at the head. When I got it, my engine had the tap at the bottom, at the block. I reinstalled it that way but the new flexible oil line appears too short. I haven't offered it up yet but I am concerned.B Please tell me which end of the line should be at the head; the banjo with the gauge tap, or the one without it. Thank you! -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/grunau.garage@sympatico.ca ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 27 15:14:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F316406A3 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:14:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8D54006D; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:14:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ia10so2230357vcb.20 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:13:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=y2oktOrPyjHZWvEdzvhoUB9L7c1kIE9zrSSxVXNcjNo=; b=pab7vpNVf9dlb1zuVpj6sAc9L6G2TO9LSf635+8+aWh2MeNSRtGg7JXLWj0p2+OtGb mS+HPcKfRWujh2XGYAweEXJKzKE3ab6Q8swyCcTeNFgV7axUwkqjBs4qCBoyOh2Us7OB wHCeQQSIED1xxlgNplxxW6d4a3F8z4dh6HXycF6Sat8820XTcqLMMZKpIoYW6B4Is4rj z6wX5D8gNRrCavjRC4zIdfwnDhCNrB+7l/km6mLY85nbVVq5ne7LlJelDRoLBvxJSDBC bPlAag0DDhiyV3LQuIrqQqbxdSHIoXBd2mwLubBN/N89tX0qS/Jbhh5hg1tDlNR0JYpg z2YQ== u19mr8174109vce.3.1380316434383; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:13:54 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] TD update for Friday Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, A few more words and pictures of the TD restoration. First of all, thanks go to Bob (mgbob) for spotting that I had installed the fan blades backwards. He had reminded me of the correct orientation earlier and in spite of that good advice, I still screwed it up. Bob, it has now been corrected and here's the photographic proof. Thank you. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130927_093004.jpg After fixing the fan, I adjusted the valves to 0.015" clearance. (This is a late TD2 XPAG.) I then installed the distributor and set the points to 0.015". With the engine at TDC on #1, I verified the correct distributor rotor orientation then rotated the distributor until the points were just breaking. A simple VOM made the setting easy. With that done, I clamped the distributor in place, then marked #1 inside of the distributor (with a Sharpie) and added the cap. Following that, I verified that each of the plug gaps were at 0.022" and installed them in the head. The plug threads were lubricated with copper infused thread lube. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130927_111313.jpg The plug wires are in a box at my storage unit. I need to retrieve them and complete the ignition work. With the engine adjustments completed, I rocked the engine back and forth a few times to make sure it was sitting evenly balanced on the motor mounts. I then carefully adjusted the stabilizer link without disturbing the engine position. With the lock nuts tight, I put Carter keys through the castle nuts and bent them securely. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130927_111411.jpg Following are pictures from a few other operations, unrelated to the time line. First of all, here's the valve cover with the cap now chained to the cover. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130927_111426.jpg Here's a look at the ground strap between the engine and the frame. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130927_111546.jpg I connected the new oil gauge flex line to the engine and taped over the other end, awaiting connection to the adapter next to the battery tray. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130927_111456.jpg Here's another look at the same area. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130927_111525.jpg Memory is an ephemeral thing, especially when one is 62 years old! I racked my brain trying to remember what was connected to that red tab on the lifter box cover, obvious in the previous photo. Alas, I couldn't remember so I went back to the early photographs. Back in April, I took a picture that made me feel better, because there was nothing connected to the tab. Here it is. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/HPIM1245.JPG The question still remains: What SHOULD be attached to that tab...unless the answer is 'nothing' because its a residual left over from an earlier XPAG implementation. Happy Friday, -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 28 12:23:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191BE42709 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f53.google.com (mail-vb0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA5A42274; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i3so2680983vbh.40 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:22:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=coRQMNbvlfBxPWokWPx2Kz6TvliXtJTvvU9dpnQUBdY=; b=ylq2P8I50JTQSkitxRI/hvZOs1+rPpyFl36d5OyODaZCBKel5rZvETuJJbALf3b8+v alHcmB60le4nlH3vh3bQ1XnwOIsdPW0hcD9j7wAraHGRkku1hDhzb4Ot9bGi7xy9U2wA UZjNomuoq7726AwLRw5fDN0yUGFJSgwj1afAvdtFEtQmPR27G/R496XVCB2N5N4VavPE 5aM55vAlVqu4DUZX21Ip3xWas6e5cY6gIM+AjMwFG47GYVL5lyWPCPpby+aHiNas0uPt xeY9z4umZmTbuS5fItsA5x8yJ4KWKrAn4UA6m9nnvlZhUhGPQtkrIqVmhdF2wbCUJSmj CZlA== pj1mr1331817vec.24.1380392556654; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:22:36 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mg-t@autox.team.net" , "mgs@autox.team.net List" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] Saturday's TD work... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hello Friends, A bit more work completed today. Here's the a picture taken while working. Notice the safety wires now installed through the cam lock bolts. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130928_115654.jpg Here's a look at the car now that the radiator has been installed and the radiator shroud is installed. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130928_122337.jpg And more views. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130928_122350.jpg http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130928_122603.jpg I haven't yet installed the other coolant hoses. The metal pipe is still in need of restoration and refinishing. Don't know how I missed it. Photos coming of that bit and its installation, once I get it refinished. Here's one last 'just for the fun of it' picture. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130928_122425.jpg I'm off to the shower... -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 29 05:12:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F008E42719 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 05:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-4.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B73F40453 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 05:12:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cypress ([86.8.152.135]) by know-smtprelay-4-imp with bizsmtp id WzBB1m00J2vXtG601zBBFy; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:11:11 +0100 a=Tnsgv3iKkvEA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=sDrtXC9goh8A:10 a=8ogeY3mALtybgMaQm1kA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=VKqjm9BmMoLih8_7:21 a=JsWf4oHprlmu1dvw:21 a=PwYPgAp4zzY326Yfju+9Og==:117 From: "Clive Sherriff" To: "MG-MMM at Autox" , "TABC" , References: <5245DB20.5000009@mgnuts.com> <5246381C.8070507@mgnuts.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:11:10 +0100 Subject: [Mg-t] Barrie Lyndon's famous book "Combat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net A few months back I found a copy of Combat in a shop locally. The bookseller now has another copy of Barrie Lyndon's book the record of MG's 1930/31/ and 32 racing seasons, again for sale at UK Pounds 65 - It's in good condition, some foxing to the edge as is usual on Combat, but pages are clear. Good binding, no dustjacket. Any interest contact me offlist and I'll get it and ship at cost. He also has a nice copy of MG by McComb, with dustjacket (protected in a plastic cover) at UK Pounds 38. Though this is a bit high, it does not seem outrageous ! Its the one with the racing MGB on the dustjacket. I've no connection with the seller Clive Oxford, UK = ============================= ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 11:37:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69F9403F4 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C38340356; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ia10so3962067vcb.20 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IbKWBzZ4+KrD0C3uzqybPcGoE2lKwNi5tjwP2I8ZsmE=; b=E5Ex66w5EnCzNZ8vkgVoY/eaTtbJA6l5QAxq/rN9GMCak1Bgaetr1GLnbLVVmgnEUX lXOhGr6uE4e72dCsmCCEQ0tPXF4xOapM4gM5mvXvdbbFkeB2xDmJmtzMuc2hNNDDVtje CPlcoaIJl0zwUituyTIz1Wig7UPU6rGw3wWqW3VGmMwAe5/G3mADpIvJv4apifpBni7Z p4DzfAX2jvpyQx9lzwwer1TOpt3N+PeHaJSfMfbF+yEZr3JsUkB2xB3s1X3JFlWaO6A7 lyautwpNaXQad7ldzJnJ+9oYF/Le2Y7dGJcjLNtdHtXTij+WwnUkUg2+b8VC23ZNl56F ek3g== vj14mr23499032vcb.17.1380562559143; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.118.163 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:35:59 -0500 From: Richard Lindsay To: "mgs@autox.team.net List" , "mg-t@autox.team.net" , Rui Gigante Subject: [Mg-t] TD plumbing... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Friends, This morning was complex. Yea, that's not supposed to be the case once retired. But it does happen. At about 3:00AM, my wife's 85-year-old mom got out of bed to see why her STUPID-ASS dog wasn't at the foot of her bed. And of course, she fell and broke her pelvis. Fortunately, it wasn't a hip - which is actually the head breaking off the femur. The solution is minor surgery, pain management, rest, and time. Sadly, she missed landing on the S-A dog. That occupied much of our morning, trying to synchronize help from 1000 miles away, and planning travel. After that fiasco was stabilized, Nancy watched the news (FOX, of course) while I went to the garage. I first refinished the exhaust hangers and the T-pipe between the radiator, thermostat housing and water pump. I first cleaned it out carefully (the pipe, not the hangers :-) and cleaned the exterior on the wire wheel. It then got a coat of gloss black paint. I should have already refinished this part but alas, no system is perfect. I next installed the pipe using new hoses and new clamps. Here's how it looks now. http://www.aubard.us/MGTD/20130930_114340.jpg I'll install the exhaust next. Pictures soon... -rick ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 30 18:04:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C2D4040B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: mg-t@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E75403D3; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1111A0AB1; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:02:07 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:22.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/22.0 SeaMonkey/2.19 To: "Mgs@autox.team.net" , MG Subject: [Mg-t] Vintage MG Club of Southern California ALL MG Parts Exchange Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: mg-t-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167 mjb. ______________________________________________ Mg-t@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive