Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] Esoteric Minutiae

From: "Clive Sherriff" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 18:14:05 -0000

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I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) about the question of =
originality.

Go to a premier vintage event and look at the cars.  Immaculate. Now go =
to the archives and look at what they were like new.

This is particularly evident with race cars.  Look at the immaculate =
Maseratis, Silver Arrows Mercedes and Auto Unions today for example.  =
Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s.  Pooly finished and =
dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded once had to strip =
the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a weight limit at one =
race !

Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily available, I carefully =
measured up every original car that came through the workshop thinking =
to reproduce them. =20

There were large differences in the dimensions of the body panels and =
woodwork.  I decided it was not worth the bother, and soon after Naylors =
started making bodies and I ducked out.

Even something as apparently simple as the late TA TB TC rear wings are =
not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the TC type in many =
ways.  Hard to see if you dont know the difference, and all that are =
available today are the late TC ones.  And this applies to many other =
parts. =20

This does make a difference though even if you don't know it.   Most =
people even if they know nothing of MGs will, from a frontal line up of =
Late TA TB and TCs will select the TA and TBs as the nicer looking cars. =
 They will not be able to tell you why.  It's due to the cutaway of the =
front wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money and b) =
supposedly to cut down rain spray.   The TA/TB were designed form =
Ascetic values, the TC from economic values.   Many ta/tb owners will =
have TC front and wings and not know it.

If you want to drive about in a tarted up concours trailer queen then do =
it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted up concours cars should have =
points deducted for non original finish.

Clive
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: 'Norman Verona' [email-masked] [mg-tabc]=20
  To: [email-masked] ; 'Norman Golm' ; =
[email-masked]=20
  Cc: [email-masked]=20
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Digest Number 7547

   =20

  So, we should refer to TC's Forever. Isn't that all about getting the =
car as original as possible? Is this the answer to the argument?=20

  Norman Verona

  La Foie, 49520, Noellet, France

  Tel: 0033 (0)2 41 92 73 44

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Go to a premier vintage event and look at the =
cars.&nbsp;=20
Immaculate. Now go to the archives and look at what they were=20
like&nbsp;new.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>This is particularly evident with race =
cars.&nbsp; Look at=20
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for=20
example.&nbsp; Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s.&nbsp; =
Pooly=20
finished and dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded once =
had to=20
strip the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a weight limit =
at one=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily =
available, I=20
carefully measured up every original car that came through the workshop =
thinking=20
to reproduce them.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>There were large differences in the dimensions =
of the body=20
panels and woodwork.&nbsp; I decided it was not worth the bother, and =
soon after=20
Naylors started making bodies and I ducked out.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Even something as apparently simple as the late =
TA TB TC=20
rear wings are not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the =
TC type=20
in many ways.&nbsp; Hard to see if you dont know the difference, and all =
that=20
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other=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>This does make a difference though even if you =
don't know=20
it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most people even if they know nothing of MGs will, from =
a=20
frontal line up of Late TA TB and TCs will select the TA and TBs as the =
nicer=20
looking cars.&nbsp; They will not be able to tell you why.&nbsp; It's =
due to the=20
cutaway of the front wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money =
and b)=20
supposedly to cut down rain spray.&nbsp;&nbsp; The TA/TB were designed =
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owners will=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If you want to drive about in a tarted up =
concours trailer=20
queen then do it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted up concours cars =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Clive</FONT></DIV>
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  [email-masked] [mg-tabc]</A> </DIV>
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  ; <A title=[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Norman =
Golm'</A> ;=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [mg-tabc] Digest =
Number=20
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  49520, Noellet, France<O></O></SPAN></U></P>
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From: "lawrie" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:05:58 -0800

Clive,

On the subject of over-restored cars in car shows, may I offer something I heard back in the 1980s, when I was Chief Judge of the Santa Barbara Concours d'Elegance (quite a prestigious show, in its day, attracting some fabulously restored - and valuable - cars). Phil Hill was an Honorary judge and we spent some time together, discussing all sorts of things. 

On the subject of "over-restoration" resulting in cars that were much nicer than those that left the factory, he had this to say: If the factory was going to send a car to, for example, the Earls Court Motor Show, is it not reasonable to assume that that particular car would have received the ultimate in preparation? Everything usually painted would be painted to perfection. All the brightwork would be immaculate, including copper pipes, etc., not usually polished to the nth degree. The interior would have been installed with extra care and attention to detail, etc. etc. 

Phil, who at that time co-owned one of Los Angeles' leading top-quality (and top dollar!) restoration shops, used this argument to justify "perfect, original" restorations. He did, however, emphasize that this "show" preparation would not have included chroming things that, on production cars, were not chromed, and so on. Essentially, a factory "show car" was a production car built to the highest possible standard. 

In my many years as a concours judge, I found this to be an excellent rule to go by.

Cheers,

Lawrie 

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Clive Sherriff <[email-masked]>
>  To: MG-T list <[email-masked]>
>  Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] Esoteric Minutiae
>  Sent: 14 Mar '16 13:39
>  
>  
>  
>  I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) about the question of
>  originality.
>  
>  Go to a premier vintage event and look at the cars. Immaculate. Now go
>  This is particularly evident with race cars. Look at the immaculate
>  Maseratis, Silver Arrows Mercedes and Auto Unions today for example.
>  Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s. Pooly finished and
>  dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded once had to
>  strip the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a weight limit
>  at one race !
>  
>  Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily available, I carefully
>  measured up every original car that came through the workshop thinking
>  to reproduce them.
>  
>  There were large differences in the dimensions of the body panels and
>  woodwork. I decided it was not worth the bother, and soon after
>  Naylors started making bodies and I ducked out.
>  
>  Even something as apparently simple as the late TA TB TC rear wings
>  are not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the TC type in
>  many ways. Hard to see if you dont know the difference, and all that
>  are available today are the late TC ones. And this applies to many
>  other parts.
>  
>  This does make a difference though even if you don't know it. Most
>  people even if they know nothing of MGs will, from a frontal line up
>  of Late TA TB and TCs will select the TA and TBs as the nicer looking
>  cars. They will not be able to tell you why. It's due to the cutaway
>  of the front wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money and b)
>  supposedly to cut down rain spray. The TA/TB were designed form
>  Ascetic values, the TC from economic values. Many ta/tb owners will
>  If you want to drive about in a tarted up concours trailer queen then
>  do it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted up concours cars should
>  have points deducted for non original finish.
>  
>  Clive
>  = ==== ============= ================
>  
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  FROM: 'Norman Verona' [email-masked] [mg-tabc]
>  TO: [email-masked] ; 'Norman Golm' ;
>  [email-masked]
>  CC: [email-masked]
>  SENT: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:15 PM
>  SUBJECT: RE: [mg-tabc] Digest Number 7547
>  
>  So, we should refer to TC's Forever. Isn't that all about getting the
>  car as original as possible? Is this the answer to the argument?
>  
>  NORMAN VERONA
>  

[email-masked]

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From: Scott Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:56:23 -0700

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Well, at least you didn=E2=80=99t claim they were based on acetic =
values. Vinegar would corrode the metal.

=E2=80=9CThe enthusiast may not be able to tell Gothic from Romanesque, =
Soutine from Giotto, but he can talk for half an hour about the =
aesthetic inferiority of the TF to the TC.=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=94Randall Jarrell, =E2=80=9CGo, Man, Go!=E2=80=9D

> On Mar 4, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Clive Sherriff =
originality.
> =20
> Go to a premier vintage event and look at the cars.  Immaculate. Now =
go to the archives and look at what they were like new.
> =20
> Even something as apparently simple as the late TA TB TC rear wings =
are not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the TC type in =
many ways.  Hard to see if you dont know the difference, and all that =
are available today are the late TC ones.  And this applies to many =
other parts. =20
> =20
> If you want to drive about in a tarted up concours trailer queen then =
do it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted up concours cars should =
have points deducted for non original finish.
> =20
> Clive
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Well, at least you didn=E2=80=99t claim they were based on =
acetic values. Vinegar would corrode the metal.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=E2=80=9CThe enthusiast may not be able =
to tell Gothic from Romanesque, Soutine from Giotto, but he can talk for =
half an hour about the aesthetic inferiority of the TF to the =
TC.=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">=E2=80=94Randall Jarrell, =E2=80=9CGo, Man, Go!=E2=80=9D</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 4, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Clive Sherriff =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">I smile a lot (or am I gritting my teeth ?) =
about the question of originality.</font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Go to a premier vintage event and look at the =
cars.&nbsp; Immaculate. Now go to the archives and look at what they =
were like&nbsp;new.</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">This is particularly evident with race cars.&nbsp; Look at =
the immaculate Maseratis, Silver Arrows Mercedes and Auto Unions today =
for example.&nbsp; Then do the photo search for then on the 1930s.&nbsp; =
Pooly finished and dented bodies, occasionally even unpainted ( Merceded =
once had to strip the paint and masses of filler underneath to meet a =
weight limit at one race !</font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Years ago before TABC Bodies were readily =
available, I carefully measured up every original car that came through =
the workshop thinking to reproduce them.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">There were large differences =
in the dimensions of the body panels and woodwork.&nbsp; I decided it =
was not worth the bother, and soon after Naylors started making bodies =
and I ducked out.</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Even something as apparently simple as the late TA TB TC rear =
wings are not the same, the prewar ones are much different to the TC =
type in many ways.&nbsp; Hard to see if you dont know the difference, =
and all that are available today are the late TC ones.&nbsp; And this =
applies to many other parts.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font></div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">This does make a difference =
though even if you don't know it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most people even if they =
know nothing of MGs will, from a frontal line up of Late TA TB and TCs =
will select the TA and TBs as the nicer looking cars.&nbsp; They will =
not be able to tell you why.&nbsp; It's due to the cutaway of the front =
wings, greatly reduced on the TC to a) save money and b) supposedly to =
cut down rain spray.&nbsp;&nbsp; The TA/TB were designed form Ascetic =
values, the TC from economic values.&nbsp;&nbsp; Many ta/tb owners will =
have TC front and wings and not know it.</font></div><div class=3D""><font=
 face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">If you want to drive about in a tarted up =
concours trailer queen then do it and enjoy it, but most of these tarted =
up concours cars should have points deducted for non original =
finish.</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Clive</font></div><div class=3D""><font face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">=3D =
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;" class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" =
class=3D"">----- Original Message -----<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial; =
background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial =
initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]%20[mg-tabc]" class=3D"">'Norman =
Verona' [email-masked] [mg-tabc]</a></div><div style=3D"font-style:=
 normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a title=3D"[email-masked]"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">'Norman Golm'</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></div><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: arial;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
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PM</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
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arial;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>RE: [mg-tabc] Digest Number =
7547</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" =
style=3D"position: relative;" class=3D""><div id=3D"ygrp-msg" =
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class=3D"WordSection1"><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 12pt;" class=3D"">So, we should refer to =
TC's Forever. Isn't that all about getting the car as original as =
possible? Is this the answer to the argument?<span =
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class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;" =
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style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 14pt;" class=3D"">Tel: 0033 =
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