From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 6 10:25:33 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:12:32 -0400 Subject: [Mgb-v8] Exhaust manifold gaskets Can anyone tell me the brand and part number for my Rover 3.5L V8 exhaust manifold gaskets. Looked in archives but could find nothing. Regards Barrie Robinson 705-721-9060 (Canada) MGB GT V8 Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 6 21:11:18 2009 From: "James J." To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:52:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] Anybody got a 3.9 block?? I want to thank all those that responded. I may still be in touch, but because of shipping costs, I'm investigating a semi-local option first. Have any of you run Rover blocks with pitting? Any experiences to share? V/R James James J. wrote: > Looking for someone who has an extra 3.9L block that they are > willing to part with on the cheap, and is willing to ship. > Despite having put on what I thought was a sufficient amount of oil on > the bores after having mine honed, is still developed some pitting in > three of the cylinders while being stored. The machinist thinks it > may run OK, since they are towards the bottom of the stroke, but I > don't want to do this half-assed. > Anyhow, it has to be a 3.9 block (not a 4.0 or 4.6) because I > already had my 300 crank turned down and internally balanced (damn, > that tungsten is expensive!!!). > > V/R > James Jewell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 7 02:58:13 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "Barrie Robinson" Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:18:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] Exhaust manifold gaskets A number of suppliers in the UK at least (try Google), but you need to be very careful in what you actually buy. I've come across four types in my time and used three of them. Originally they were single, thick, metal-faced sandwich gaskets, which have quite a good ability to cope with the flanges not being flush with or parallel to the head by a small amount. They do put the manifold closer to the inner wing than the others though. The next were thinner, green and black composition and were useless. Not only didn't they compress much, but with the very small overlaps between flange and head blew a piece out on the first decent run. The third type come in pairs i.e. one gasket covers two exhaust ports and whilst they are a metal sandwich again they are quite thin (Clive Wheatley http://mgv8.homestead.com/gtex.html). The fourth type I've seen but not tried and they have a ripple-effect on the sealing faces which is said to give an improved seal, but I think they may only be thin shim i.e. very thin. These are in the MGOC mag but I can't find them on their web site. The problem with the V8 manifold is two-fold - first is that most of the tubular types seem to have a mis-match in the alignment of the ports which significantly reduces the amount of overlap in some areas, and causes port obstruction in others. The second is that they warp in use, which results in the four ports being offset by various amounts, the inner pair touching the head but the outer pair not, as well as all the flanges being at an angle to the head instead of parallel. As well as resulting in a very poor seal and high failure rate of the gaskets you can't even get the bolts through the flanges into the head without overdrilling and filing them out. Added to that the holes in the gaskets are quite a bit bigger than the manifold pipes and particularly the head ports, which reduces overlap even more. I've had my manifolds on and off because of blown gaskets more times than I care to remember, the drivers side of which needs the rack to be removed, but so far the way I have it now has lasted the longest. I welded struts between the flanges to hold them apart and stop them turning inwards, which keeps the bolt holes aligned as well as the faces parallel. I tried to find an engineering company that could skim the flanges so that all four would touch the head but no-one could come up with a way of holding the pipes securely enough. I settled for spending some time on a belt-sander, which improved things, but the outer two were still not quite touching. That I resolved by delaminating an old gasket and using a shim from that on each of the outer flanges to even things up. Full story at http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_engineframe.htm and click on 'V8 Exhaust manifolds'. I think some manifolds now come with the flanges in pairs (RV8 style?) which would help, but ideally you need all the flanges in a single strip of steel. I did see some blanks like this at Clive Wheatley and he said it wasn't until he had those cut to the same dimensions as the original assemblies, and offered one up to a head, that he realised just how poor the port alignment was. I'm not sure if he got more recut to the correct alignment and made up with pipes or not. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > Can anyone tell me the brand and part number for my Rover 3.5L V8 exhaust > manifold gaskets. Looked in archives but could find nothing. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 7 08:12:00 2009 From: Barrie Robinson To: "Bruce" Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 09:09:55 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] Exhaust manifold gaskets Bruce, WOW! Thanks, I shall keep that info in my data base !! At 09:20 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: >Here is a whole pile of info for you > >These gaskets are the same as Rover 3.5 >Gaskets for Buick Skylark 61-63 >Buick Special deluxe 61-63 >Buick Special 61-63 >Rover 3500S 69-71 >MG MGB V8 75-77 >MG MGB MK1V 75-77 >Triumph TR8 80-81 > >The following is gasket I used on my rover 3.5 1969 >Header Gaskets (Exhaust Manifold Gaskets) Felpro MS 90013 > >Rear Main Seal Ford C9AZ 6701 B (neoprene) >Timing Cover Gasket set Fel TCS 13001 >Water Pump Gasket Fel 129961 >Oil Pump Fel 70032 Fel-Pro .007 - .008 >Oil Pan Set Fel OS 12992C >Valley Pan Gasket Fel MS96002 >Head Gasket Set Felpro HS7984PT > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:12 AM >Subject: [Mgb-v8] Exhaust manifold gaskets > > >>Can anyone tell me the brand and part number for my Rover 3.5L V8 >>exhaust manifold gaskets. Looked in archives but could find nothing. >>Regards >>Barrie Robinson >>705-721-9060 (Canada) >>MGB GT V8 >>Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings >>http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY >>www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Mgb-v8 mailing list >>You are subscribed as bcmills@gmail.com >>Mgb-v8@autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 > >Regards > >Barrie >(705) 721-9060 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 8 02:25:41 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "V8 list" , , Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 08:55:18 +0100 Subject: [Mgb-v8] Convertibles make you deaf http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/6265762/Convertible-cars-coul d-damage-hearing.html Another attempt at killjoying? Although I avoid motorways in the roadster where possible, and where I can't I have the hood up regardless of the weather precisely because of the noise from other traffic and the buffeting from lorries is so unpleasant. PaulH. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 8 06:27:52 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: "Simon Matthews" Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:38:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] [Mgs] Convertibles make you deaf Same here, till I changed the back axle :o) Wonder if I should get a silencer for the pump ... ----- Original Message ----- > On the rare occasions that I put the hood up on my MGA, it seems > noisier than with the hood down. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 10 03:36:42 2009 From: "Paul Hunt" To: , "V8 list" , Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:32:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Bureaucracy - was Convertibles make you I fully realise it. Gordon Brown spent his whole chancellorship raising the total tax take from 32% of GDP to 45% and gave the money to local councils to spend on non-jobs (like an 'awareness' officer, as if we have a choice who we pay our council taxes to). Some years ago we were in Italy and an Italian told us that the Germans invent the EU laws, the British obey them, the French ignore them and the Italians have never even heard of them. But it's worse than that, Britain leads the world in 'gold-plating', and I'm not talking about jewellery. This is taking laws from the EU or central government and seeing how much more restrictive and punitive they can make them. In the last month there has been a hoo-ha about two police officers who were friends and arranged their shifts so that they could look after each others children when the other was working. Even though no money changed hands their local council decreed that it was a commercial arrangement and both would have to be assessed by the Criminal Records Bureau and local council for their suitability for childcare. Fortunately in that case the central government department concerned for the national policy told them not to be so stupid. The same applies to parents with children in social or sports groups who might ferry children from other families to and from venues, but in that case the requirement for the assessment stands. PaulH. ----- Original Message ----- > What you have to realise that that those people slapping tickets on people > employs not only the slapper-oners but their supervisors, clerics, > paymasters, the people who "train" them and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 10 10:08:21 2009 From: "James J." To: Paul Hunt Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:42:07 -0400 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Bureaucracy - was Convertibles make you While I am an Anglophile through and through, and have the utmost love and respect for my UK/CAN/AUS/NZ family (especially on the battlefield), I truly worry about the direction of their governments. England's gun and knife laws (as well as the surveillance cameras everywhere) have left the People just as powerless to effect ultimate change as they were before the Magna Charta, and remind us all that the people there are not sovereign and remain subjects. The governments of the EU lack a healthy fear of their population. Just my American, gun-nut, uncivilized 2-cents.... James J. Paul Hunt wrote: > I fully realise it. Gordon Brown spent his whole chancellorship > raising the total tax take from 32% of GDP to 45% and gave the money > to local councils to spend on non-jobs (like an 'awareness' officer, > as if we have a choice who we pay our council taxes to). Some years > ago we were in Italy and an Italian told us that the Germans invent > the EU laws, the British obey them, the French ignore them and the > Italians have never even heard of them. But it's worse than that, > Britain leads the world in 'gold-plating', and I'm not talking about > jewellery. This is taking laws from the EU or central government and > seeing how much more restrictive and punitive they can make them. In > the last month there has been a hoo-ha about two police officers who > were friends and arranged their shifts so that they could look after > each others children when the other was working. Even though no money > changed hands their local council decreed that it was a commercial > arrangement and both would have to be assessed by the Criminal Records > Bureau and local council for their suitability for childcare. > Fortunately in that case the central government department concerned > for the national policy told them not to be so stupid. The same > applies to parents with children in social or sports groups who might > ferry children from other families to and from venues, but in that > case the requirement for the assessment stands. > > PaulH. > > ----- Original Message ----- >> What you have to realise that that those people slapping tickets on >> people employs not only the slapper-oners but their supervisors, >> clerics, paymasters, the people who "train" them and Uncle Tom >> Cobbley and all. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 10 12:52:08 2009 From: "Allen Wulf" To: "Bruce" , "Barrie Robinson" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:41:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] Exhaust manifold gaskets Bruce, Do you know the part number for the front crankshaft seal for a Buick 215? Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" To: "Bruce" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] Exhaust manifold gaskets > Bruce, > > WOW! Thanks, I shall keep that info in my data base !! > > > At 09:20 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: >>Here is a whole pile of info for you >> >>These gaskets are the same as Rover 3.5 >>Gaskets for Buick Skylark 61-63 >>Buick Special deluxe 61-63 >>Buick Special 61-63 >>Rover 3500S 69-71 >>MG MGB V8 75-77 >>MG MGB MK1V 75-77 >>Triumph TR8 80-81 >> >>The following is gasket I used on my rover 3.5 1969 >>Header Gaskets (Exhaust Manifold Gaskets) Felpro MS 90013 >> >>Rear Main Seal Ford C9AZ 6701 B (neoprene) >>Timing Cover Gasket set Fel TCS 13001 >>Water Pump Gasket Fel 129961 >>Oil Pump Fel 70032 Fel-Pro .007 - .008 >>Oil Pan Set Fel OS 12992C >>Valley Pan Gasket Fel MS96002 >>Head Gasket Set Felpro HS7984PT >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrie Robinson" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:12 AM >>Subject: [Mgb-v8] Exhaust manifold gaskets >> >> >>>Can anyone tell me the brand and part number for my Rover 3.5L V8 >>>exhaust manifold gaskets. Looked in archives but could find nothing. >>>Regards >>>Barrie Robinson >>>705-721-9060 (Canada) >>>MGB GT V8 >>>Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings >>>http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm TRY >>>www.britcot.com - a unique web site for car goodies >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>Mgb-v8 mailing list >>>You are subscribed as bcmills@gmail.com >>>Mgb-v8@autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 >> >>Regards >> >>Barrie >>(705) 721-9060 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgb-v8 mailing list > > You are subscribed as wulfmgbv8@comcast.net > > Mgb-v8@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 10 15:38:20 2009 From: "James J." To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:16:33 -0400 Subject: [Mgb-v8] crank/transmission alignment All, My machinist asked me if I had measured the concentricity of the T-5 (ford), adapter-plate (D&D Fab), Bellhousing (Buick 3/4 speed) and crank (Buick 300 in Rover 3.9). This was in regards to making a pilot bushing to adapt the crank to the Ford T-5. When I shrugged and said "nope", he also pointed out that some manufacturers held to better tolerances than others. Did most folks here have their set-up measured and use eccentric pins to correct for errors, or did most folks here just bolt up and drive??? V/R James. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 15 23:14:34 2009 From: "James J." To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:20:58 -0400 Subject: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold Is anyone familiar with this last iteration of Rover intake manifold, and how it compares to the more common trumpet-in-plenum design? JJJ http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/USED-Land-Rover-Disco-II-4-6-Engine-Parts_W0QQitemZ260485388864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ca6239a40 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 16 13:28:54 2009 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "James J." , Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:01:46 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold James. I'm no expert, but I do have one of these sitting in my shop still attached to a core 4.6 motor. The throttle assembly, the highest point is right at the front which makes it a poor choice for the MGB. I don't think that you could make it fit without a pretty big bonnet bulge. The long tracts were designed primarily for torque in the original Range/Land Rover application, so again it's not the best setup for an MGB where you will be more interested in higher revs. I am going to see if this will fit under the bonnet of a Rover SD1, as it may be the perfect ticket for that application. >From what I understand, which usually isn't much. The larger injectors can be installed in the hot wire manifold for a usable increase in power, so the injectors themselves could be handy if the price is right. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James J. > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:21 PM > To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold > > Is anyone familiar with this last iteration of Rover intake > manifold, and how it compares to the more common > trumpet-in-plenum design? > JJJ > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/USED-Land-Rover-Disco-II-4-6-En > gine-Parts_W0QQitemZ260485388864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_ > Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ca6239a40 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgb-v8 mailing list > > You are subscribed as doddk@mossmotors.com > > Mgb-v8@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 16 14:11:57 2009 From: Bill Zenkus To: "Dodd, Kelvin" , "James J." Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold Hi Kelvin Is it possible to reverse the top so the throttle assembly, the highest point is right at the rear? Just curious... Bill ________________________________ From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: James J. ; mgb-v8@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:01:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold James. I'm no expert, but I do have one of these sitting in my shop still attached to a core 4.6 motor. The throttle assembly, the highest point is right at the front which makes it a poor choice for the MGB. I don't think that you could make it fit without a pretty big bonnet bulge. The long tracts were designed primarily for torque in the original Range/Land Rover application, so again it's not the best setup for an MGB where you will be more interested in higher revs. I am going to see if this will fit under the bonnet of a Rover SD1, as it may be the perfect ticket for that application. >From what I understand, which usually isn't much. The larger injectors can be installed in the hot wire manifold for a usable increase in power, so the injectors themselves could be handy if the price is right. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James J. > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:21 PM > To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold > > Is anyone familiar with this last iteration of Rover intake > manifold, and how it compares to the more common > trumpet-in-plenum design? > JJJ > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/USED-Land-Rover-Disco-II-4-6-En > gine-Parts_W0QQitemZ260485388864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_ > Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ca6239a40 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgb-v8 mailing list > > You are subscribed as doddk@mossmotors.com > > Mgb-v8@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list You are subscribed as mgb_zenkus@yahoo.com Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 From mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 16 15:09:33 2009 From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: "Bill Zenkus" , "James J." Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:42:35 -0700 Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold Good question Bill. I havn't had a chance to try that. Maybe over the weekend. Kelvin Dodd ________________________________ From: Bill Zenkus [mailto:mgb_zenkus@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:34 PM To: Dodd, Kelvin; James J.; mgb-v8@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold Hi Kelvin Is it possible to reverse the top so the throttle assembly, the highest point is right at the rear? Just curious... Bill ________________________________ From: "Dodd, Kelvin" To: James J. ; mgb-v8@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:01:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold James. I'm no expert, but I do have one of these sitting in my shop still attached to a core 4.6 motor. The throttle assembly, the highest point is right at the front which makes it a poor choice for the MGB. I don't think that you could make it fit without a pretty big bonnet bulge. The long tracts were designed primarily for torque in the original Range/Land Rover application, so again it's not the best setup for an MGB where you will be more interested in higher revs. I am going to see if this will fit under the bonnet of a Rover SD1, as it may be the perfect ticket for that application. >From what I understand, which usually isn't much. The larger injectors can be installed in the hot wire manifold for a usable increase in power, so the injectors themselves could be handy if the price is right. Kelvin Dodd > -----Original Message----- > From: mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net > [mailto:mgb-v8-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James J. > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:21 PM > To: mgb-v8@autox.team.net > Subject: [Mgb-v8] EFI manifold > > Is anyone familiar with this last iteration of Rover intake > manifold, and how it compares to the more common > trumpet-in-plenum design? > JJJ > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/USED-Land-Rover-Disco-II-4-6-En > gine-Parts_W0QQitemZ260485388864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_ > Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ca6239a40 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mgb-v8 mailing list > > You are subscribed as doddk@mossmotors.com > > Mgb-v8@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list You are subscribed as mgb_zenkus@yahoo.com Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mgb-v8 mailing list Mgb-v8@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgb-v8